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In simple psychology it is recognised that praise is a much bigger motivation to do better than constant criticism. It’s also recognised that without proper rest progress improvement and health will always be worse. If the trainee system had an overhaul based on proven facts of productivity and health idols would be happier and the entire system would benefit.
True, but good friggin' luck getting set-in-their-ways Koreans to ever understand that. Even the Japanese of all people have made further strides than the Koreans, and their entertainment culture was notorious for insane fans and mistreatment of Idols before K-pop even existed.
That would require Korea to actually address its hopelessly broken society rather than blaming all their problems on what Japan did to them 80+ years ago. Never gonna happen. (I won't ever deny Japan's atrocities, but the way Korean leaders on both sides of the DMZ overreacted in the years after the war just made everything worse for regular people)
a lot of the comments people are leaving about this in defence of the company/industry just disgust me, and i think it’s very telling that they all ignore the most serious and harrowing parts of the allegations ie these teenage girls hurting themselves with one attempting to end their own life, and instead focus on the money (which they still deliberately misrepresent by leaving out the part that this isn’t even normal trainee debt, it’s them being expected to pay $500k for a $2.5m home that the company could have just… not purchased). if you can’t even accurately talk about the matters actually being discussed in the suit, and instead have to make up details so you can blame the 17 year old girl over the corporation, you have no respect for the human dignity of the idols you claim to love, and it also says a lot about how utterly unconscionable the company’s actions are, because even their defenders are too ashamed to touch the worst parts. just because idols have achieved huge success in the current state of the industry, that doesn’t mean that companies’ actions are good or excusable. labour and safety laws are written in blood.
if any trainee / idol CANNOT handle the beauty 'standard', GET OUT ! 1 out 100 idol hopefuls gets a chance to DEBUT in the industry, so if a kid cannot endure it, GET OUT and let other kid do it ... industry standards will NOT go down to your level, you should be the one to REACH it !
@@Dino-pk5hc do you realize that by saying "let another kid do it" you are normalizing the abuse suffered by that person and allowing another child who can "handle it" to be subjected to it just for fame?. That is exactly what has allowed child abuse in the entertainment industry in all countries, because in the end if they want to get in they have to be able to endure the misery and abuse that comes with it despite it being illegal and a clear abuse of the rights of minors. I am grateful that this girl spoke up, I hope more idols continue to do it as they being doing it till now to achieve a better regulation of the system, and I hope the fans stop giving money to this industry, in the end that is what keeps them running and allows them to justify their abuse.
It's honestly so scary all the stories going on right now. There's so much going on in background of kpop groups and fans know nothing. Hope the girls are all safe right now.
I think a lot of people give JYPE the benefit of the doubt (or think of it as the "better" company) because of TWICE. Even when they were also st*rved and bullied because of their weight, they're such a powerhouse that JYPE can no longer just treat them badly and the girls are comfortable enough to renew their contract. That, unfortunately, doesn't mean that JYPE is suddenly a good company, they'll treat you right if you bring the money and have the longevity, otherwise, you're just cannon fodder. I hope VCHA leave JYPE and give it another shot with some other company because I've been following them since A2K and I was so pumped for their cb next year :(
Yea , like Twice has been admittedly to be successful by Jinyoung Park himself and that makes people thinks that he's good. But those who knew Got7 leaving them and other idols whishing for an album and get noticed is sad. This situation may happen for all companies , except for a few new ones. GD who's under YG wanted to be a hiphop idol with Taeyang , but they became bigbang . He was also constantly looked down by bad people but luckily he did well . Mamamoo did not disband , but they left rbw except for Moonbyul unnie and Solar unnie who still stays , it has been alleged that they also got mistreated by mma 2019. JYP might not change any sooner , but the girls deserves better and understanding supervisors
And how do you know other companies specially kpop company will treat them better? We all know the kpop companies have strict rules regarding their artists. Yeah it may be possible if they join some non korean company but then it will take time because I don't think they'll debut such young members
The K-pop companies won’t change unless there are regulations set by the government restricting them. Without regulations/laws these companies will continue to exploit and ignore trainees and fans complaints.
Hoping for the best for the girls. The kpop life may seem glamourous on the outside but is very dark and ugly on the inside. I hope more people are able to come out and tell their stories.
@@whatwhat591 Everyone knows about all the Hollywood stuffs… And more dirt is coming out every day, because Americans are allowed to complain. Koreans rarely get away with it.
me neither. ateez are my ults and thankfully kq seems relatively good compared to basically every other company i’ve heard about, but there have still been a few misses in the past especially re. weight stuff because the entire industry is so completely screwed up. and i also don’t trust that they’ll always be good to every group just because they generally treat ateez well, especially if they get any bigger because the bigger the company the more they lose sight of morals
I hope so too. I'm kinda relief that they their parents seem to be on top of everything as much as they can tho. The moms promised each other that they'll have one mom present every event. The girls seem pretty excited so far based on their weverse dms. Yoonchae wasn't able to join them filming past a certain number of hours because of the laws. it seems that Hybe and geffen abide by american laws so far
I mean, we saw the stuff that KG describe already happening in the Katseye documentary. It was just framed as the girls being hard working and dedicated.
As a massive Vlight and an equally massive KG bias she is/was one of my ults I can’t help but feel so heartbroken. I haven’t been able to stop thinking about this for days because I was so ready for VCHA’s comeback with KG in it. It baffles me that all this has been going on behind the scenes And for them to say that they’ve been working on a new album?? So you mean to tell us that since KG walked out in May, y’all have been working on the album without KG?? Makes no damn sense. The fact that they also uploaded her birthday post shows they didn’t want any of this to come out. KG definitely tried to leave she probably even told them that her mental health wasn’t good anymore and that she needed to leave but they wouldn’t let her, which brings us to December 7th and the lawsuit. It’s devastating because, just last year during pre-debut, KG was so happy to debut. In every video, you can see her lighting up the girls’ faces with her smile, and she always had one on her face too when she was with them, from that alone and what she said during A2K about how she had never made friends like these girls before KG would never lie about any of this. She deeply cares about the girls and would never want to hurt them. It was probably tough for her to leave because of them, but she just wasn’t herself anymore and had to prioritize her mental health and we all understand that. The same goes for the other girls; what they’ve been through is horrible. The thought that they could be getting gaslit and manipulated by the company right now is terrifying. JYPE US already used the girls against KG in their statement, which is disgusting. They are terrible, monstrous people who are victim-blaming a 17-year-old girl. It makes me sick. I hope the other girls leave too and stay far away from that company. They, along with KG, deserve so much better. This entire situation wouldn’t have happened if the company hadn’t forced the K-pop trainee system onto these girls. I’m incredibly proud of KG for standing up for herself and taking action not just for herself but for her friends and the K-pop industry as a whole. No matter what happens, KG will go down as one of K-pop’s bravest heroes, forever. My heart goes out to KG, Camila, Kendall, Kaylee, Lexus, and Savanna. I hope KG wins this fight and saves K-pop and these girls from this awful situation. That’s the best outcome we can hope for. Even if the girls go on and stay as a group, I’ll be supporting them from the sidelines-but to me, VCHA will always be SIX. I love these girls and hope and pray the best for them, #AlwaysWithKG #WeLoveYouKG #FightingForVCHA #PROTECTVCHA
The things KG is claiming in her post and in her lawsuit is not just a civil matter. This happened in California, to children. A lot of what she describes is actual child abuse. Hidden cameras in the residence? Hidden cameras in the pantry to psychologically torture them into eating disorders. This is Saw levels of evil.
What angers me more, people are jumping to defend JYPE but even if KG is wrong - vlights know that Kaylee's hiatus started all of this, and she's STILL NOT BACK. We don't even know if the MOST POPULAR MEMBER will be back. And also, Kendall hasn't been seen in months. Idk about the timeline and we didn't think too much about it at the time but the other 3 members have been seen together repeatedly with a manager. So now that we have this new information, it's concerning. 3/6 members are not seen. And while we shouldn't speculate who committed, just to explain my logic here: it isn't KG, as she reported on the incident. So KG left, leaving us with 5. OK, JYPE can make a cb with that. But that means another member will either leave bc they attempted or worse, continue despite it. And that's assuming Kaylee comes back. If it was Kaylee and she still continues, 5 members. If it was her and she doesn't return from hiatus (which she still shouldn't anyway, as she's 15), that leaves 4 members. And now if Kaylee leaves but she didn't attempt but one of the others, that leaves us with either 4 members (one who attempted), or the one leaves and VCHA is now 3 (!!!). And it'll also look terrible, basically confirming that at best, this project was so terrible that half of the girls rather leave then take a shot at stardom. So, I hope this makes any sense but I don't see how JYPE saw them having a cb. Since spring (?), KG was out, Kaylee was on hiatus and one member was / is very sick. So the announcement of cb right before the lawsuit after months of silence and then the blaming of KG for halting the group is questionable. I just wanna reiterate, if this group comes back as 5 that means that at least one of them is not doing well. And I word it like this bc we don't know what happened but uh, sorry but I don't see why KG would lie about this. But just for now I'll say it like this bc this is the "best outcome". Which is still horrible.
@@moongirl8807 they very much could've said that KG was on hiatus but the girls would still have a comeback and they could've also announced Kaylee's return. This probably would've back fired on them but it still did anyways. Not only that they don't want KG to leave which is why they wouldn't terminate her contract, this entire time they could've but didn't. I think they know that KG is a huge fan favorite and is probably the one member that could do the most for the group in the future cause of her song writing and production skins (literally her storyline on a2k). Another thing is Kendall's contract of approval has been getting looked out recently like KG's so.. idk what that could mean
News like this makes me want to abandon KPop as a whole. But I'm feeling more confident in how they take care of Katseye. For one, there is only one minor, and they have excluded her involvement in a few sketches due to OSHA regulations. And during training days, they do not go against doctor's orders. They seem to be keeping that policy by the amount of absences. My only complaint would be that they might be overtraining, judging by the amount of injuries they get.
Just don't give them money and attention on spotify or RUclips. Use piratería platforms or channels to consume it if you want to keep doing it and avoid paying for albums, concert or merchandising. That hurts companies more.
I was already not really supporting (Spotify free, 90% secondhand albums) since I'm saving money and was kinda annoyed at big 4, but ngl this was kinda the last drop for me. I was excited for a VCHA cb, and this just slapped me in the face. It's my fault for assuming that Jype was OK (and many did, stupid but we wanted to believe this despite knowing enough about their other groups). I will have to seriously rework my kpop consumption next year, but it'll be OK. I was getting really tired anyway. 2024 was really not a great year. And I don't even wanna know what goes down in small companies. Madein just showed this AGAIN.
it breaks my heart when even kpop stans themselves don't even support idols that speak up, i have seen comments like "oh well but what did she expect?" about KG or people bullying newjeans for speaking up about their experiences, and on the same breath complain that their idols are being overworked i am so glad that newer idols are getting more brave when speaking up about abuse and unfair treatment! i hope idols start unionizing
people are rightfully criticizing newjeans because their "issues" can be easily fixed with a little communication, which they refuse to do. but obviously it's just an attempt to break from their contract without paying millions. also the fact that their actions do not benefit them, but benefit mhj alone.
Right I’m disgusted by some of these comments. Goes to show why companies continue this exploitation bc there are fans that fully support this abuse of it makes their “pretty dolls look and perform good” smh
This kind of work system is not only present in K-pop, this is the work ethic in the entire Korean society. So if the whole society does not change, people in the kpop business can't change completely while in school and any other work, people are drained to the death to keep the expectation
Why is this the take people have? No child should be treated like this period. Whether they are Korean or not. No person should be treated like this. Millionaire or not.
This (and kaylee's hiatus) and the new jeans situation should also be a wakeup call that minors should be banned from debuting and that fans themselves need to do better and not support these groups. They should also not get upset when people tell them not support these children
the reason why i cant fully support a group with a minor on it too.. no i'll wait until every member are adult.. there should be a certain movement where we will stop . I did try BM and Unis tbh but it still bugs me, they're just kids
I know most of the case and I was talking to my mom about this. Basically, The Kpop industry is having the same problems that old Hollywood child stars had BEFORE child labor laws were made and we have what we do now. However, you have to understand, this is partly a cultural difference where South Korea doesn't have the same type of laws that America has. NOW THAT BEING SAID, NO it DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT What JYPE did, However, it does make them have to be accountable because IF THEY WANT to stay on America grounds of operation, THEY WILL NEED To change how their company operates, AND hopefully it will spark a cultural change in South Korea if the shock waves are large enough to go that far. But unfortunate still is that this issue doesn't just lay with Kpop, this is how bad the entertainment industry is, or can be. And really, this should set a new trend for Entertainment WORLD OVER to change to treat people like people and not just commodities to be "bought and sold" which what the entertainment industry is as a whole, and not just isolated to Kpop. EDIT: Also to further add, the fact that entertainment companies are controlling right down to their hair, social media, etc, is NOT UNUSUAL, Painful and horrible yes, but also, this kind of stuff has been going for years, whether is Kpop OR Otherwise. No of course it's NOT RIGHT, but not unusual either. I hope this comment enlightens some people and yes, I'd ALSO like to see change as well.
It’s not just the K-pop industry. All corporations in Korea have this problem. Heavily in favor of corporate powers. Why do you think shows like Squid Games and Parasite are made? It’s called class critique. Conglomerates control the government and society. Workers have little leverage.
this industry needs to change. sulli, goo hara, moonbin. and now one of the vcha girls almost joined that list. this is sickening and heartbreaking. praying for KG to win the lawsuit and for the rest of the vcha girls to find a way to leave their contracts. their music is great but not worth the self harm and mental health disorders it has caused them. their safety comes before our enjoyment.
Everyone needs to realize, regardless of what genre of music they are in, the music industry is an evil place..Signing a contract to any music company or entertainment company is like signing your life away because these people now own you..I understand kids have a dream of being famous but they need to look deep into what goes on in the entertainment industry, it’s not glitz and glamour..It’s evil..Parents also need to look into the dark sides of the entertainment industry before letting their child get into these companies..My eyes have been opened to what really goes on in the entertainment industry for 8 years now and it isn’t pretty..Hearing this going on with KG was not shocking because it’s been going on for years with minors even in the US of being abused etc..
I’ve struggled with an eating disorder and this just made me so sad. When I was at my worst everyone wanted me to get better, but for them it’s the opposite :(. Im hoping this all leads to change so things can be much better.
Thank you for doing the emotional labor of speaking about this incredibly serious issue. I know this can't have been a pleasant episode to pull together, particularly so quickly, and I really appreciate your ongoing commitment to providing well-informed, non-toxic ktube content. ❤
the system can ask for hard work from the trainees without torturing them without food or water - so many people want to make it in this industry, of course they will work hard! but if you treat them as humans then maybe they won't keep suing your asses and "disrespecting" your company 😐
ADDENDUM: I just _love_ how the majority's take from this (especially Koreans, shock of all shocks) is "Americans are too soft and lazy to handle best-in-world Korean training. They should have known." I know I'm not the only one who sees how obtuse and, frankly, racist/nationalist that sounds. If Korean Idols were allowed to speak the truth without consequence, I'm reasonably sure nearly all would side with KG.
The abuse has been going on from 1st gen, it was founded on that grounds, because in 99% of the case it's not seen as abuse but demands of that industry.And companies has profited from it. Sure it may make difficult for some companies to come to US, but the industry won't be affected, it's just a market. Every generation has had their cases, and the biggest leap we have seen in the industry is that people are now speaking about it.(it took more than 3 decades to do that)
people speak about it, idols did but you know what happened? they were bash for it. They were made fun. That in the end they choose silence..some eternally did.
News like this makes me want to abandon kpop as a whole. But then I remember the idols being passionate and deserving of love who I don't want to abandon, and I remember the western music industry being... well... not that much better. It sucks. but there is just no ethical consumption in entertainment when companies care more about money than caring for their talent. The best we as fans of kpop can do is protest for better treatment of idols, speak in support of idols standing up for themselves, and boycott when necesary to get the point across. Kpop companies care about money, so if their treatment of idols causes them to lose money due to fans not wanting to support it anymore, change can happen. Until then, unless laws are put into place to protect idols and other people in the korean entertainment industry as a whole, the most we as fans can do is speak out and demand change
so scary that all the things brought up in that lawsuit are things we as fans are already aware of, makes me question my support for these entertainment companies. the high expectations are built i think because there are a few groups that survive the kpop system and their public image remains unaffected. but those groups are also just surviving in a system that actively tries to harm them. no one thrives in that kind of environment. it reminds me of LOONA and their contract being terminated and how surprising that was for idols to sign the contracts they did. i hope kg's lawsuit goes in her favor!
"Standing up and siding with artists who ARE SPEAKING UP" YES PLEASE, so many of them are sending signals and warning us and the authorities, but companies and media play are trying to shut them up, threaten them and make them disappear silently
VCHA will probably JYP's failure produced global group that he didn't had to focus on. Also arbitrarily let his staff forced them to train same Korean culture to struggle for success. Those are still minors and kids not robots that can be controlled.
I root so hard for Vcha, though from the beginning I didn’t know how it could work. American kids are raised not to put up with crap, to be totally self expressive and not to long tolerate work with no pay (or, worse, receive massive debt for their hard work) Sure there have been American born idols in Korea, but the percentage that end up having massive issues making them return home is notably high. That is setting aside California labor laws. I had hoped JYPUSA would modify their system sufficiently, but that doesn’t seem to have happened.
Honestly the amount of people who were supporting New Jeans in Korea were WAY LARGER. Now many k-netizens say that foreigners are not capable of doing k-pop at all. That’s so disgusting, idk. Yall are clearly cherry picking because of your own preferences, race and even beauty standards. And if you supported new jeans, why would you not support kg????
I am not trying to compare, and I love both groups, but it’s hard not to bring up KATSEYE. Like I am really upset this is happening with VCHA, KG, the member who attempted, and ultimately the other members, and what happened was not really shocking, even if JYPe is viewed as the better of the main 3 companies in terms of treating their members, but that doesn’t mean JYPe treats their members good. TWICE is a good example of this, I don’t need to explain further or else this comment will be 28 pages long. Why I bring up KATSEYE, is because I believe the treatment is different than what I see from other kpop groups even the kpop groups within HYBE. I think it has to do with KATSEYE being under HYBExGeffen, as geffen is a US based company. I feel like Katseye is being treated like a US girl group, and VCHA was being treated like a Kpop girl group. The whole culture shock VCHA would’ve had to endure would be too different than what they imagined. I’m not saying that how kpop groups are treated good, but US labor laws especially in regard to minors is much more developed. I am really hopeful that KG will win, especially since the state of California has one of the strictest child labor laws in the world due to Hollywood and their obsession with child stars
The thing about south korea is that fans have this fanasty of meeting thier idols but not knowing how meesed up its is and the fact is that thier basic lives are taken away such as phones, no dating and weight checks is really ridiculous. Like thier whole world is dommed
They shouldn't recruit such young trainees in the industry as it's doomed and some commenting that Americans are lazy and soft hearted and they don't know the real meaning of hardwork in the industry let me tell you guys that they can handle pressure but too much strees, abuse isn't good
The only RUclipsr and fan that i liked it's video. It's my first time watching and you only said facts, you didn't gaslighted as what others did and i loved that you wanted to see you both sides, because i still believe that JYPe and other vcha members have different side from the story
Not only global groups, K-pop was never ready for korean groups. Where do you think thousands of trainees go after years of training, if they dont debut? Or why is it that 99% of groups disband after their contract ends? The whole industry is demonic. No amount of advancements in psychology or human rights will better the trainee system. A system that tries to make up for innate talent and genetics, with brute force, can never produce lasting good results and will collapse sooner or later. The young will be thrown away once their youth is spent in slavery.
The Starlight Boys survival show challenge situation was terrible, but unfortunately there are probably companies doing similar things but they never show it. Especially if you are not one of the better performing trainees, companies likely don't really care about your well-being, they care more about your marketability and your idol image. And if you are one of the better performing trainees, you are probably expected to stay quiet at the mistreatment of others if you don't want to face problems with your company, and if anyone mentions a difficult situation, to lower the severity of the situation and laugh it off, I just saw a video of TWICE on a live when they were talking about their diets as trainees and they casually said with smiles on their faces/laughing about how the staff didn't give them company cafeteria food coupons because they were on a "'diet" so they had to sneak into the cafeteria and eat other trainees food that they would get for them to eat, like wtf?!?!??!?!? ruclips.net/video/aTAgYEj_1x8/видео.html
JYP Entertainment is the more respected entertainment companies that care about their groups as their reputation goes. If they are this shady and they are the big ones, imagine what less powerful entertainment groups are like?!
For people concerned about Katseye, a major credit to their parents as they are in the loop for everything. At the end of the day it's a contract between company and individual. The korean industry has skillfully Sugarcoted it as "family". Them being too straight forward in the documentary also helped, they didn't sugarcoat anything, backlash is better than a lawsuit.
JYPE is in a world of trouble. Even by Kstandards, this is unconscousable. JYPE is going to be strung up by their heels for this. It's also likely to get the Assembly involved. Coming after Hanni's testimony about Hybe (and yes, I know KG's complaint is more serious), the government is going to be forced to crack down on some of Kpop's harsher practices. No company should ignore medical problems and proscriptions for rest and healing. Kpop is too big a part of Korea's new image to let it be tainted by stories like this. If I were an agency, I'd be running a top-to-bottom review of trainee training protocols and identifying anything that might get them in trouble. It's do it now or face a lot of uncomfortable questions from the Assembly.
but isn't jyp usa based in... usa? and american laws apply to them? i don;t think the assembly will do anything about an issue they have no jurisdiction over
If this had been in Korea, it never would have come out, and everyone would have blamed KG because "Well this just proves Westerners/Americans are too soft." I'm sure people are saying that anyway because it helps their narrative. However, KG's lawsuit was filed against JYPE's American branch in California accusing it of breaking California law. Cali has some of the strictest labor standards -- especially for minors -- of anywhere in the USA.
Also I think its kinda interesting how this turns into a all kpop is like this aand not all child stars are treated like this, like does the jojo siwa lawsuite ring a bell? The dancers that are all really young and claim the same, dance through injuries, poor payment and restrictions
How not? I love KATSEYE, and they are getting so popular. But honestly, only KATSEYE is the only “global group” that I am interested in. Maybe it’s because they don’t pretend to be Korean and doesn’t wear Korean makeup just to… “fit in”. Also, their personality is not “calm and cute” like all Koreans. They are just who and how they are.
Not to mention, how does this make sense: “We bought you girls this $2M mansion. If everyone can chip in a half a mil for principal, interest, taxes and insurance, that would be great. Oh! And we’re not sure how much salary you’ve made but, spitballing, we’d say $0.00 each. Thanks!”
It's worth noting that _actual military training_ is *more humane* than what K-pop idols go through on a daily basis. R Lee Ermey said his character Hartman in Full Metal Jacket was meant to be an example of a bad drill sergeant who IRL would get court-martialed for multiple UCMJ violations. Hartman was not as abusive as K-pop trainers regularly are. The worst part is the non-disparagement clauses (plus Korea's broken society) that keep Idols from speaking out.
This is nothing new in the kpop industry, I've been a kpop fan since 2001 and it's been happening since 2nd gen kpop. Unfortunately foreigners are never really treat equally as their Korean members, it's always about money in the pockets of the company and not to the actual idols too much. Every new company comes up are shameless and just want a quick buck and don't treat people correctly hence that's why till this day the industry is a trash heap that is today with exception a few companies.
I always said that the person who has western culture can't survive k pop industry why? You know why ㅋㅋㅋ there are big differences between east and west culture.
"North American Girl Group using the Kpop Training Model"......This statement shows how naive JYP was going into this project. Creating JYP USA and based training in the U.S. with international members was asking for trouble. Strick labor laws and members who have no clue what the Kpop Training Model entails was a ticking time bomb. Maybe JYP should have taken a larger personal role in overseeing this project instead of spending his time promoting himself (collabs w/ artists and personal appearances & etc.).
The contracts remind me so much of those in the 1920s and on studio system. Also, having them based in LA feels like it may be their done fall. California doesn't play when in comes to minors (in traditional entertainment). I bet JYP is regretting naming the company after himself😅
The way JYPE is obsessed with international or western validation it was a matter of time before all this happened. I miss the old JYPE songs not this copycat music they lost their way and need to go back to what made JYPE. Now you can’t see their artistes on the Charts the music is hurting our ears . Jype leave the WESTERN VALIDATION OBSESSION!!!!!
THAT'S your take from this? Can you possibly BE more asinine? We know EVERY K-pop company does the same things to its Asian talents/trainees. Doesn't make it okay there either, it's just their culture is one of deference to seniority/authority so these violations get swept under the rug
Mystified by why people like you don't understand that the decision to expand is most likely financial. If you're operating in an oversaturated market, with little room to grow, what options are open to you? It's not about validation, it's about the money. The abusing youngsters just needs to stop. And they could actually be successful.
I feel very sorry for these girls, but did none of them know what the training of K-pop stars was. It's hard, stressful and overwhelming for some. The system has been around for a long time. It's sad but true. It's a different culture.
It kind of doesn't matter what kpop culture is, if you're operating in another country, you have to follow that country's laws. JYPE didn't follow the labor laws of the US in general, and California specifically (which has very strict labor and child labor laws), so they're now going to reap the consequences.
What you say is irrelevant. This isn't Korea (nor should it be). If JYPE-US broke the law, then they broke the law and deserve to face the consequences. I have no doubt in my mind KG expected the training to be tough. I don't think she expected herself of the others to be emotionally and physically abused by a group of psychopathic Asians to the point of self-harm.
Not really non asians. Look at new jeans. They clocked that shit and didn't take it lying down. I think you mean Westerners. He'll, even the asians are starting to speak up
12/12/24 ( Thursday ) 9.29 am. Clash of Asian with American cultures and values. The once Kpop "Asian" group of CLC with more US billboard rankings than popular (G)-idle even after its official disbandment in 2022, also endured mistreatment and mismanagement from trash Cube for 7 years ! No lawsuits or attempted suicide from them. Its better to disband VCHA. Let the girls free.
While I agree with everything, and I wish for idols and trainees to be treated better, the courts and law in South Korea famously favor chaebols, so I don't have much hope for KG and other idols, unfortunately. Also, is it still K-Pop if they're singing in English and have mostly Western members?
This happened in the state of California on American soil for Americans based in LA. They're getting sued in California, home of the strictest child labor laws in the world.
I don't think vcha or katseyes will work, i mean they aren't kpop but with kpop system and culture. Not kpop because they don't target koreans but international kpop fans and Usa. Vcha is jyp usa but with kpop system and korean culture for work, to not sleep long time, to overwork, it's not only kpop system it's south korea system ans culture. So 2 different culture western culture vs south korea culture clashed. I think it won't work because western artists won't accept kpop system and south korea's culture, culture of work etc. It's not kpop target fir americans and international kpop fans but with kpop and south korea's system and culture. Katseyes work at Hybe i think, the same and they have to adapt to south korea's culture but some won't adapt and don't agree with the culture and will leave i think
It doesn't matter if this is normal in kpop. What they did is extremely illegal. They abused Americans on american soil under California, home of the greatest child labor laws in the world, to minors. They're getting sued in California. Jyp is getting sued out the wazoo. This is not korea. This shit doesn't fly in the west.
can we be honest, the real catalyst is the debt owed 500k, KG wanted to live somewhere else since feb 2024, but felt pressured to live with the other girls. OH let's not forget LA is extremely expensive! The harsh training was there since A2k and even more so in the Korea portion, she knew what she was getting into. That's why Christina was glad she did not debut, and even the other girl leaving during the transition from the LA portion to Korea portion. We know KG is using the typical Starvation and extreme training to push her agenda, contract termination. If what KG is alleging is true then yes her contract should be terminated, but shouldn't the choice of the Other members be theirs to decide if they want to continue? That's how you know there are a ton of Anti-Vchas out there, because before the truth is out, they already want VCha to disband and for other groups under JYPE to suffer. You know these people just hate JYPE. If they were logically consistent, with changing the Kpop industry they would stop listening and supporting it, it's that simple. But they can't.
Except when New Jeans calls out Bang Si-Hyuk, Ador and Hybe, I see a lot of K-pop non-Korean channels coming to defense of the corporation and perpetrators, defending how contracts are sacred, no matter how the other side violates the working relationship and trust.
@@BP-rg8xp unless they show concrete evidence that they were mistreated like kg and loona did, i won't believe their petty claims. anyways it's not us stupid fans' decision, it's the court's decision so i'll wait
There's already been court documents with leaks from Hybe showing its mal-intention to submerse New Jeans while making numerous derogatory assessments of other K-pop groups. As the malicious Hybe/Source leaks of the New Jeans show, Hybe's role in creating New Jeans is highly incidental and accidental. Bang Si-Hyuk specifically recruited Min Hee-Jean from SM to capitalize off her creative legacy (SNSD, Fx, Shinee, Exo, Red Velvet), culminating in the New Jeans project to make up for his own failures with Glam. Bang's envy and hubris clearly get the better of him as illustrated in this huge company document leak, as he tries to bury New Jeans while stripmining and creating krappy knock-offs. Hybe-shilling and propaganda can only hide his company embezzlement scandal so far until the whole made-up narrative blows up.
Entertainment has always been like this from TLC TO *NSYNC *Look it up * , there is a lot of investment towards these artists without them working . She joined out of fantasy not reality ,This is why parents needs to talk about the reality of their goals to be prepared for all outcomes of dreams . But this was JYPE UNITED States team not Korea .
And it bloody well shouldn't be. It's not that hard to treat your fellow human beings with decency. Especially young children. Give them food, give them water, let them sleep, don't humiliate or blackmail them. Most normal people working with youngsters manage this on a daily basis. And that goes for Korean trainess/idols too.
She signed the contact. Now Vcha is not popular. She just want to get out. About 50 new idol groups debut in 1 year.Almost 1 new group every week. If you don't have out standing vocal, dance, visual, determination then go home ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ btw the company will loose lots of money 😂😂😂
No kg is just ignoring the contract like Fifty fifty and newjeans. The thing like this has happenend often in kpop industry. Jyp is not a charitable enterprise
If I could think of a nasty slur for a Korean, I'd use it right now. You're speaking out of your nonexistent ass, and just because this is normal in Korea doesn't make it okay there and certainly not here. JYPE is being sued in California for KG's contract violating California law. Contracts aren't sacred. Your worthless country doesn't matter except that JYPE employees likely brought your toxic culture here without knowing our child labor laws.
Foreigners who generalize Korean culture by listening to the words of kg without evidence live without watching the news? Haven't you heard of Puff Daddy?
@@modanislove without this "child abuse"; kpop as an industry would not exist; you wouldn't care about Korea (you would be doing something else right now), and you wouldn't be commenting on this video.
@alphago9397 so child abuse is justified because I support kpop? Wow you hit a real new low for defending abuse, a minor fucking tried to kill themselves
@@alphago9397so? this isn’t the gotcha you think it is. if kpop couldn’t exist without abuse (which… I doubt is true) then yeah, I think i’d be okay with it not existing at all
After this 100% for sure there won’t be any Kpop companies trying to recruit westerners especially the Americans … Strawberry generation who can’t even go through half of YG simple training or whatever half lBlackpink / Twice / Itzy and Aespa went through .. No talent is fine but at least try to follow the company rules that had create many successful Kpop artist .. KG do sucks at dance and was forced to repeat many times is common in Kpop … watch back the video how Soyeon from Gidle drill her members and how hard JYP was on Itzy which resulted a famously reward .. watch / listen to “Imaginary friends” from Itzy and see how much their vocal improve ! Disband Vcha .. it’s waste of time and money for JYP…
Lol you sound like a wannabe K-pop idol with this dumb comment. Your literally dismissing all the horrible things aspiring K-pop idols go through without walking in there shoes.
Under that mindset then all Kpop companies should close their American branches and leave the U.S since they can't obey the workers rights laws, but I'm not surprised you think that way as it seems to be common in Korea which is probably why the birth rates are almost non existent and Korea ranks #3 in the world in suicides, mostly being women. Well done.
so you’re blaming the underage members instead of the company? it’s jype’s fault for thinking they could get away with this kind of practices on foreign trainees just because it worked in korea… they messed with the wrong person, kg was a solo artist before she became a member of vcha and kg won’t back down without a fight like most western artist would do, kg has been very outspoken on things like lgbtq and blm, she has a gay brother and supports the trevor project…
@@balladofahomeschooledboy0514 well this westerners are weak … look at you top UNI … It’s all taken over by Asians ! Even at Olympics .. every time the Asians are doing better and better cause you guys can’t go through the suffer of hardwork your older generations had went through …
also the fact that they put Manon in Katseye when she clearly was no putting the same amount of effort, screams that they wanted diversity for the sake of it.
it wasn't so much diversity as it was "star power" as stated by bang sihyuk... which basically just translates to visuals. manon is strikingly beautiful in all aspects
@@rowanjoy419 but your argument is saying she got in because of the sake of diversity... there were other girls of her race that were more skilled. But objectively speaking Manon was the most beautiful in the program, the voters saw that as well
Complaining about earning little while having big debt. What did you think? These companies spend millions up front incurring all the risk. You aren't making any money for the company at the beginning. It's pretty much all costs. This isn't only related to kpop. In America, the companies might give advances, but it all needs to be paid back. Truthfully though, I knew there would be issues with kpop in America. Most Americans don't have the drive or determination to put in the work, they just want the fame and popularity. It's like many kids want to be Olympic gymnasts but most can not make the cut... not enough drive and determination to reach that level... I hope that the kpop industry learns that having kpop in America is not a good idea... it never was.
so just to be clear, you’re okay with a teenage girl attempting to end her own life directly due to what jype put her through? you’re saying that that’s her fault for not having the “drive or determination to put in the work”? teenage girls hurting themselves is okay with you? genuinely, how can you defend that?
I bet you work 16 hours a day but only get paid for 8 right? And your boss has hidden cameras to keep an eye on you too? If you don't then stfu because you sound stupid af.
@@memryse this is an obtuse response because that’s not what this person is saying. Let’s not pretend that stories of strict restrictions on food and diet leading to unhealthy food relationships and EDs are new to Kpop. Let’s not pretend that rigorous, grueling work schedules are par for the course in Kpop. Let’s not pretend that performing whole sick or injured is the norm in Kpop. Suga had a shoulder injury that needed surgery to correct for years and still performed. No one’s saying this is ok but it is equally ridiculous for JYP to think they could apply this to non-Koreans and it would be ok as it is for these non-Koreans to think they would be immune to the agreed upon kpop system. Again not right and things should change but you also have to know what you’re signing up for. Not only do there need to be changes to the Kpop system but companies need to stop trying to do this global group stuff. It doesn’t work, it won’t work.
@@lboogii never said any of it was new to kpop. my point is that this is not okay regardless of how normalised it is, and i don’t think it’s the teenage girls’ fault especially when they were under the impression that the american labour laws would be followed. teenagers are not known for having rational, completely informed decision making, and again jype expressly stated that they would follow these labour laws. jype lied and flagrantly violated them to operate in the exact same way that they would in korea (which is *still* utterly despicable and i would have exactly the same response to this happening in korea). i think it’s incredibly misrepresentative for this commebter to talk about trainee debt (which is irrelevant given that the debt she is talking about is from jype buying a $2.5m home and expecting them to pay for it, not the cost of training them) and blame the girls’ work ethic without mentioning that lives were very nearly lost here. if you feel the need to defend a multimillion dollar company from a child like that commenter did, at least say it with your full chest that you think it was the member’s fault that she attempted to end her own life, because she apparently should have known what she was getting into. because to literally everybody else that is how this comes across.
@ your response is obtuse because the commenter said nothing about normalizing anything. In saying that that is what they are saying minimizes the intention of the post and dismisses the discussion you say you want to have. Aside from that, there is no need for the commentor to normalize anything. It’s already normalized in Kpop and has been for over a decade. Should changes be made sure. Like I said though… it was ridiculous for JYP or any of these companies to think they would be able to treat foreign members like they would treat usual trainees. This kind of treatment is not within our culture. It is also ridiculous for these members to think they would be treated differently from usual trainees. Like it or not an artist’s debt to the company is absolutely a factor. I don’t think this will affect the change that is needed in the kpop industry, it might just codify it into contracts or something else.
I have mixed feelings because we know the Korean programs work for producing some of the most successful groups so while I feel like they need an injection of humanity the Korean girls know what they are getting in to. But this type of workload and expectations would be really difficult to impose on us spoiled Americans which is why I doubt they will have success.
imagine thinking americans are privileged for not wanting to be abused and broken down to a shell of their former selves. you can make a successful group without running them into the ground, these companies just love having control over their artists. nothing good or strategic about it. this abusive behavior is deeply embedded in the industry and they don’t want to change it because they literally don’t want idols to be their own people. nothing spoiled about not wanting to lose weight until you’re skeletal and training until you tear a muscle.
I’m sure I’m the future kpop idols will come out in the future with permanent physical disabilities and badly aging from plastic surgery as they become much older and retiring. Besides Korea is known to be accepting of exploitation
Wait but katseye has bullying one of the members because in the survival show... not bullying not right 🙃🤑 hybe not good for girl groups in the past aka new jeans, old ador, new ador and other crap... it real news will come out around katseye around bullying crap
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In simple psychology it is recognised that praise is a much bigger motivation to do better than constant criticism. It’s also recognised that without proper rest progress improvement and health will always be worse. If the trainee system had an overhaul based on proven facts of productivity and health idols would be happier and the entire system would benefit.
True, but good friggin' luck getting set-in-their-ways Koreans to ever understand that.
Even the Japanese of all people have made further strides than the Koreans, and their entertainment culture was notorious for insane fans and mistreatment of Idols before K-pop even existed.
That would require Korea to actually address its hopelessly broken society rather than blaming all their problems on what Japan did to them 80+ years ago. Never gonna happen.
(I won't ever deny Japan's atrocities, but the way Korean leaders on both sides of the DMZ overreacted in the years after the war just made everything worse for regular people)
And yet again the six member curse in its natural form 🫠🫠
a lot of the comments people are leaving about this in defence of the company/industry just disgust me, and i think it’s very telling that they all ignore the most serious and harrowing parts of the allegations ie these teenage girls hurting themselves with one attempting to end their own life, and instead focus on the money (which they still deliberately misrepresent by leaving out the part that this isn’t even normal trainee debt, it’s them being expected to pay $500k for a $2.5m home that the company could have just… not purchased).
if you can’t even accurately talk about the matters actually being discussed in the suit, and instead have to make up details so you can blame the 17 year old girl over the corporation, you have no respect for the human dignity of the idols you claim to love, and it also says a lot about how utterly unconscionable the company’s actions are, because even their defenders are too ashamed to touch the worst parts.
just because idols have achieved huge success in the current state of the industry, that doesn’t mean that companies’ actions are good or excusable. labour and safety laws are written in blood.
Preach!
Where can I read the full lawsuit please 🙏
@@memryse well said I stand by
Why didn’t the other girls leave? How come kg left how will she pay off the debt
Let’s not normalize K-pop company abuse. Hope fans speak up and protect their idols
if any trainee / idol CANNOT handle the beauty 'standard', GET OUT ! 1 out 100 idol hopefuls gets a chance to DEBUT in the industry, so if a kid cannot endure it, GET OUT and let other kid do it ... industry standards will NOT go down to your level, you should be the one to REACH it !
its like a person who dream to become a soldier but it SCARED to be deployed to battle ....
Facts!!!! @@Dino-pk5hc
@@Dino-pk5hc😂
@@Dino-pk5hc do you realize that by saying "let another kid do it" you are normalizing the abuse suffered by that person and allowing another child who can "handle it" to be subjected to it just for fame?. That is exactly what has allowed child abuse in the entertainment industry in all countries, because in the end if they want to get in they have to be able to endure the misery and abuse that comes with it despite it being illegal and a clear abuse of the rights of minors.
I am grateful that this girl spoke up, I hope more idols continue to do it as they being doing it till now to achieve a better regulation of the system, and I hope the fans stop giving money to this industry, in the end that is what keeps them running and allows them to justify their abuse.
Im glad Lara and Megan's Moms always with KATSEYE all the time to supervise their activities
It's honestly so scary all the stories going on right now. There's so much going on in background of kpop groups and fans know nothing. Hope the girls are all safe right now.
K-pop stan are a bunch of children.
Exactly no one knows what goes behind closed doors
I think a lot of people give JYPE the benefit of the doubt (or think of it as the "better" company) because of TWICE. Even when they were also st*rved and bullied because of their weight, they're such a powerhouse that JYPE can no longer just treat them badly and the girls are comfortable enough to renew their contract. That, unfortunately, doesn't mean that JYPE is suddenly a good company, they'll treat you right if you bring the money and have the longevity, otherwise, you're just cannon fodder. I hope VCHA leave JYPE and give it another shot with some other company because I've been following them since A2K and I was so pumped for their cb next year :(
Yea , like Twice has been admittedly to be successful by Jinyoung Park himself and that makes people thinks that he's good. But those who knew Got7 leaving them and other idols whishing for an album and get noticed is sad. This situation may happen for all companies , except for a few new ones. GD who's under YG wanted to be a hiphop idol with Taeyang , but they became bigbang . He was also constantly looked down by bad people but luckily he did well . Mamamoo did not disband , but they left rbw except for Moonbyul unnie and Solar unnie who still stays , it has been alleged that they also got mistreated by mma 2019. JYP might not change any sooner , but the girls deserves better and understanding supervisors
We know Bang Chan was sneaking the girls food
I know jype is accepting of foreign trainees but seeing this happen to vcha makes me hesitant of auditioning
@maurora-d1u hesitant to audition? why? do you think you’ll pass the audition? you’re already thinking ahead and being delusional…
And how do you know other companies specially kpop company will treat them better? We all know the kpop companies have strict rules regarding their artists. Yeah it may be possible if they join some non korean company but then it will take time because I don't think they'll debut such young members
The K-pop companies won’t change unless there are regulations set by the government restricting them. Without regulations/laws these companies will continue to exploit and ignore trainees and fans complaints.
US have their own law. The lawsuit is about breaking the US law. KG sued JYPE USA on US court.
Exactly and does the government care? Not at all. The government is greedy for the money these companies make no matter what they do
Hoping for the best for the girls. The kpop life may seem glamourous on the outside but is very dark and ugly on the inside. I hope more people are able to come out and tell their stories.
Not only the kpop life, honestly… :( do you know all the Hollywood stuffs??
@@whatwhat591 Everyone knows about all the Hollywood stuffs… And more dirt is coming out every day, because Americans are allowed to complain. Koreans rarely get away with it.
@@whatwhat591yeah the Hollywood stuff too
Kpop companies won't change i won't hold my breath
Unfortunately I'm worried we'll be waiting quite a while to see any changes too :(
me neither. ateez are my ults and thankfully kq seems relatively good compared to basically every other company i’ve heard about, but there have still been a few misses in the past especially re. weight stuff because the entire industry is so completely screwed up. and i also don’t trust that they’ll always be good to every group just because they generally treat ateez well, especially if they get any bigger because the bigger the company the more they lose sight of morals
Unfortunately, you're right. Change is very slow when certain practices are embedded in consumer's culture and mindset.
@@memryseIsn't Wooyoung always on a diet and Yesung but okay
In order for kpop industry to change, there would have to be a significant change in the Korean society in general.
I just hope nothing bad is happening to katseye and dear Alice which is set to debut soon
Katseye already debuted
I'm worried for them too, I'm not too sure if the kpop industry is going to be able to sustain global groups using the practices they currently do
I hope so too. I'm kinda relief that they their parents seem to be on top of everything as much as they can tho. The moms promised each other that they'll have one mom present every event. The girls seem pretty excited so far based on their weverse dms. Yoonchae wasn't able to join them filming past a certain number of hours because of the laws. it seems that Hybe and geffen abide by american laws so far
@KpopfanITZYMIDZY787-9 I was talking about dear Alice the one SM is debuting
I mean, we saw the stuff that KG describe already happening in the Katseye documentary. It was just framed as the girls being hard working and dedicated.
As a massive Vlight and an equally massive KG bias she is/was one of my ults I can’t help but feel so heartbroken. I haven’t been able to stop thinking about this for days because I was so ready for VCHA’s comeback with KG in it. It baffles me that all this has been going on behind the scenes And for them to say that they’ve been working on a new album?? So you mean to tell us that since KG walked out in May, y’all have been working on the album without KG?? Makes no damn sense. The fact that they also uploaded her birthday post shows they didn’t want any of this to come out. KG definitely tried to leave she probably even told them that her mental health wasn’t good anymore and that she needed to leave but they wouldn’t let her, which brings us to December 7th and the lawsuit. It’s devastating because, just last year during pre-debut, KG was so happy to debut. In every video, you can see her lighting up the girls’ faces with her smile, and she always had one on her face too when she was with them, from that alone and what she said during A2K about how she had never made friends like these girls before KG would never lie about any of this. She deeply cares about the girls and would never want to hurt them. It was probably tough for her to leave because of them, but she just wasn’t herself anymore and had to prioritize her mental health and we all understand that. The same goes for the other girls; what they’ve been through is horrible. The thought that they could be getting gaslit and manipulated by the company right now is terrifying. JYPE US already used the girls against KG in their statement, which is disgusting. They are terrible, monstrous people who are victim-blaming a 17-year-old girl. It makes me sick. I hope the other girls leave too and stay far away from that company. They, along with KG, deserve so much better. This entire situation wouldn’t have happened if the company hadn’t forced the K-pop trainee system onto these girls. I’m incredibly proud of KG for standing up for herself and taking action not just for herself but for her friends and the K-pop industry as a whole. No matter what happens, KG will go down as one of K-pop’s bravest heroes, forever. My heart goes out to KG, Camila, Kendall, Kaylee, Lexus, and Savanna. I hope KG wins this fight and saves K-pop and these girls from this awful situation. That’s the best outcome we can hope for. Even if the girls go on and stay as a group, I’ll be supporting them from the sidelines-but to me, VCHA will always be SIX. I love these girls and hope and pray the best for them, #AlwaysWithKG #WeLoveYouKG #FightingForVCHA #PROTECTVCHA
The things KG is claiming in her post and in her lawsuit is not just a civil matter. This happened in California, to children. A lot of what she describes is actual child abuse. Hidden cameras in the residence? Hidden cameras in the pantry to psychologically torture them into eating disorders. This is Saw levels of evil.
Yeah KG wanted to be an artist not an idol but she didn’t realize that wasn’t gonna happen
What angers me more, people are jumping to defend JYPE but even if KG is wrong - vlights know that Kaylee's hiatus started all of this, and she's STILL NOT BACK. We don't even know if the MOST POPULAR MEMBER will be back. And also, Kendall hasn't been seen in months. Idk about the timeline and we didn't think too much about it at the time but the other 3 members have been seen together repeatedly with a manager. So now that we have this new information, it's concerning. 3/6 members are not seen. And while we shouldn't speculate who committed, just to explain my logic here: it isn't KG, as she reported on the incident. So KG left, leaving us with 5. OK, JYPE can make a cb with that. But that means another member will either leave bc they attempted or worse, continue despite it. And that's assuming Kaylee comes back. If it was Kaylee and she still continues, 5 members. If it was her and she doesn't return from hiatus (which she still shouldn't anyway, as she's 15), that leaves 4 members. And now if Kaylee leaves but she didn't attempt but one of the others, that leaves us with either 4 members (one who attempted), or the one leaves and VCHA is now 3 (!!!). And it'll also look terrible, basically confirming that at best, this project was so terrible that half of the girls rather leave then take a shot at stardom.
So, I hope this makes any sense but I don't see how JYPE saw them having a cb. Since spring (?), KG was out, Kaylee was on hiatus and one member was / is very sick. So the announcement of cb right before the lawsuit after months of silence and then the blaming of KG for halting the group is questionable. I just wanna reiterate, if this group comes back as 5 that means that at least one of them is not doing well. And I word it like this bc we don't know what happened but uh, sorry but I don't see why KG would lie about this. But just for now I'll say it like this bc this is the "best outcome". Which is still horrible.
@gwenmloveskpopandmore She didn't realize that because of how they treated her and the other girls.
@@moongirl8807 they very much could've said that KG was on hiatus but the girls would still have a comeback and they could've also announced Kaylee's return. This probably would've back fired on them but it still did anyways. Not only that they don't want KG to leave which is why they wouldn't terminate her contract, this entire time they could've but didn't. I think they know that KG is a huge fan favorite and is probably the one member that could do the most for the group in the future cause of her song writing and production skins (literally her storyline on a2k). Another thing is Kendall's contract of approval has been getting looked out recently like KG's so.. idk what that could mean
News like this makes me want to abandon KPop as a whole. But I'm feeling more confident in how they take care of Katseye. For one, there is only one minor, and they have excluded her involvement in a few sketches due to OSHA regulations. And during training days, they do not go against doctor's orders. They seem to be keeping that policy by the amount of absences. My only complaint would be that they might be overtraining, judging by the amount of injuries they get.
Just don't give them money and attention on spotify or RUclips. Use piratería platforms or channels to consume it if you want to keep doing it and avoid paying for albums, concert or merchandising. That hurts companies more.
Right? They get injured so often. They’ve rarely been 6 during variety shows since their debut.
I personally started downloading the music, alone because of Palestine but now even more
You are so right and I’m thinking the same. I want to sell my merch soon. But there are so many, so idk how I’m gonna manage it
I was already not really supporting (Spotify free, 90% secondhand albums) since I'm saving money and was kinda annoyed at big 4, but ngl this was kinda the last drop for me. I was excited for a VCHA cb, and this just slapped me in the face. It's my fault for assuming that Jype was OK (and many did, stupid but we wanted to believe this despite knowing enough about their other groups).
I will have to seriously rework my kpop consumption next year, but it'll be OK. I was getting really tired anyway. 2024 was really not a great year. And I don't even wanna know what goes down in small companies. Madein just showed this AGAIN.
it breaks my heart when even kpop stans themselves don't even support idols that speak up, i have seen comments like "oh well but what did she expect?" about KG or people bullying newjeans for speaking up about their experiences, and on the same breath complain that their idols are being overworked
i am so glad that newer idols are getting more brave when speaking up about abuse and unfair treatment! i hope idols start unionizing
people are rightfully criticizing newjeans because their "issues" can be easily fixed with a little communication, which they refuse to do. but obviously it's just an attempt to break from their contract without paying millions. also the fact that their actions do not benefit them, but benefit mhj alone.
Right I’m disgusted by some of these comments. Goes to show why companies continue this exploitation bc there are fans that fully support this abuse of it makes their “pretty dolls look and perform good” smh
Hanni from New Jeans lied about bullying case. That already investigated by the authoritatives.
@booqqa that's an isnase amout of responsibility to put on young people most of whom started out as and still are children
@@NotD-kp3by tell that to mhj lmao
This kind of work system is not only present in K-pop, this is the work ethic in the entire Korean society. So if the whole society does not change, people in the kpop business can't change completely while in school and any other work, people are drained to the death to keep the expectation
Exactly
Why is this the take people have? No child should be treated like this period. Whether they are Korean or not. No person should be treated like this. Millionaire or not.
This (and kaylee's hiatus) and the new jeans situation should also be a wakeup call that minors should be banned from debuting and that fans themselves need to do better and not support these groups. They should also not get upset when people tell them not support these children
the reason why i cant fully support a group with a minor on it too.. no i'll wait until every member are adult.. there should be a certain movement where we will stop .
I did try BM and Unis tbh but it still bugs me, they're just kids
@mochiiizxzx yes, we need to start a movement where we actually boycott these groups
I know most of the case and I was talking to my mom about this. Basically, The Kpop industry is having the same problems that old Hollywood child stars had BEFORE child labor laws were made and we have what we do now. However, you have to understand, this is partly a cultural difference where South Korea doesn't have the same type of laws that America has. NOW THAT BEING SAID, NO it DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT What JYPE did, However, it does make them have to be accountable because IF THEY WANT to stay on America grounds of operation, THEY WILL NEED To change how their company operates, AND hopefully it will spark a cultural change in South Korea if the shock waves are large enough to go that far. But unfortunate still is that this issue doesn't just lay with Kpop, this is how bad the entertainment industry is, or can be. And really, this should set a new trend for Entertainment WORLD OVER to change to treat people like people and not just commodities to be "bought and sold" which what the entertainment industry is as a whole, and not just isolated to Kpop.
EDIT: Also to further add, the fact that entertainment companies are controlling right down to their hair, social media, etc, is NOT UNUSUAL, Painful and horrible yes, but also, this kind of stuff has been going for years, whether is Kpop OR Otherwise. No of course it's NOT RIGHT, but not unusual either. I hope this comment enlightens some people and yes, I'd ALSO like to see change as well.
It’s not just the K-pop industry. All corporations in Korea have this problem. Heavily in favor of corporate powers. Why do you think shows like Squid Games and Parasite are made? It’s called class critique. Conglomerates control the government and society. Workers have little leverage.
Good, I hope this leads to the US or California to ban Kpop companies that still maintain the old practices from operating in the USA.
Really good summary video, thank you. And thankfully ( hopefully) not an A.I. bot video I'm seeing too many of recently.
thank you so much! don't worry, no AI here ahah!
This shows just how bad the industry is and if any artists stand up how important it is to believe them.
this industry needs to change. sulli, goo hara, moonbin. and now one of the vcha girls almost joined that list. this is sickening and heartbreaking. praying for KG to win the lawsuit and for the rest of the vcha girls to find a way to leave their contracts. their music is great but not worth the self harm and mental health disorders it has caused them. their safety comes before our enjoyment.
The lawsuit it not only about abusing, but also about breaking the US law (California district).
Good overview!
omg this is so kind, thank you so much!! 🥰💖
Everyone needs to realize, regardless of what genre of music they are in, the music industry is an evil place..Signing a contract to any music company or entertainment company is like signing your life away because these people now own you..I understand kids have a dream of being famous but they need to look deep into what goes on in the entertainment industry, it’s not glitz and glamour..It’s evil..Parents also need to look into the dark sides of the entertainment industry before letting their child get into these companies..My eyes have been opened to what really goes on in the entertainment industry for 8 years now and it isn’t pretty..Hearing this going on with KG was not shocking because it’s been going on for years with minors even in the US of being abused etc..
I’ve struggled with an eating disorder and this just made me so sad. When I was at my worst everyone wanted me to get better, but for them it’s the opposite :(. Im hoping this all leads to change so things can be much better.
Thank you for doing the emotional labor of speaking about this incredibly serious issue. I know this can't have been a pleasant episode to pull together, particularly so quickly, and I really appreciate your ongoing commitment to providing well-informed, non-toxic ktube content. ❤
the system can ask for hard work from the trainees without torturing them without food or water - so many people want to make it in this industry, of course they will work hard! but if you treat them as humans then maybe they won't keep suing your asses and "disrespecting" your company 😐
Yeah
ADDENDUM: I just _love_ how the majority's take from this (especially Koreans, shock of all shocks) is "Americans are too soft and lazy to handle best-in-world Korean training. They should have known."
I know I'm not the only one who sees how obtuse and, frankly, racist/nationalist that sounds. If Korean Idols were allowed to speak the truth without consequence, I'm reasonably sure nearly all would side with KG.
The abuse has been going on from 1st gen, it was founded on that grounds, because in 99% of the case it's not seen as abuse but demands of that industry.And companies has profited from it. Sure it may make difficult for some companies to come to US, but the industry won't be affected, it's just a market.
Every generation has had their cases, and the biggest leap we have seen in the industry is that people are now speaking about it.(it took more than 3 decades to do that)
people speak about it, idols did but you know what happened? they were bash for it. They were made fun. That in the end they choose silence..some eternally did.
the horrible thing is that kpop has always been like this. none of the things kg has talked about are new, not even the suicide attempt.
Yes
exactly and u know what's sad? Fans , us will just talk about make signatures petitions etc . But kpop didn't change at all
@@mochiiizxzx I don't think they will change at all
@@mochiiizxzx why strict rules
News like this makes me want to abandon kpop as a whole. But then I remember the idols being passionate and deserving of love who I don't want to abandon, and I remember the western music industry being... well... not that much better. It sucks. but there is just no ethical consumption in entertainment when companies care more about money than caring for their talent. The best we as fans of kpop can do is protest for better treatment of idols, speak in support of idols standing up for themselves, and boycott when necesary to get the point across. Kpop companies care about money, so if their treatment of idols causes them to lose money due to fans not wanting to support it anymore, change can happen. Until then, unless laws are put into place to protect idols and other people in the korean entertainment industry as a whole, the most we as fans can do is speak out and demand change
so scary that all the things brought up in that lawsuit are things we as fans are already aware of, makes me question my support for these entertainment companies. the high expectations are built i think because there are a few groups that survive the kpop system and their public image remains unaffected. but those groups are also just surviving in a system that actively tries to harm them. no one thrives in that kind of environment. it reminds me of LOONA and their contract being terminated and how surprising that was for idols to sign the contracts they did. i hope kg's lawsuit goes in her favor!
"Standing up and siding with artists who ARE SPEAKING UP" YES PLEASE, so many of them are sending signals and warning us and the authorities, but companies and media play are trying to shut them up, threaten them and make them disappear silently
VCHA will probably JYP's failure produced global group that he didn't had to focus on. Also arbitrarily let his staff forced them to train same Korean culture to struggle for success. Those are still minors and kids not robots that can be controlled.
I root so hard for Vcha, though from the beginning I didn’t know how it could work.
American kids are raised not to put up with crap, to be totally self expressive and not to long tolerate work with no pay (or, worse, receive massive debt for their hard work)
Sure there have been American born idols in Korea, but the percentage that end up having massive issues making them return home is notably high.
That is setting aside California labor laws. I had hoped JYPUSA would modify their system sufficiently, but that doesn’t seem to have happened.
Honestly the amount of people who were supporting New Jeans in Korea were WAY LARGER. Now many k-netizens say that foreigners are not capable of doing k-pop at all. That’s so disgusting, idk. Yall are clearly cherry picking because of your own preferences, race and even beauty standards. And if you supported new jeans, why would you not support kg????
I am not trying to compare, and I love both groups, but it’s hard not to bring up KATSEYE. Like I am really upset this is happening with VCHA, KG, the member who attempted, and ultimately the other members, and what happened was not really shocking, even if JYPe is viewed as the better of the main 3 companies in terms of treating their members, but that doesn’t mean JYPe treats their members good. TWICE is a good example of this, I don’t need to explain further or else this comment will be 28 pages long.
Why I bring up KATSEYE, is because I believe the treatment is different than what I see from other kpop groups even the kpop groups within HYBE. I think it has to do with KATSEYE being under HYBExGeffen, as geffen is a US based company. I feel like Katseye is being treated like a US girl group, and VCHA was being treated like a Kpop girl group. The whole culture shock VCHA would’ve had to endure would be too different than what they imagined. I’m not saying that how kpop groups are treated good, but US labor laws especially in regard to minors is much more developed.
I am really hopeful that KG will win, especially since the state of California has one of the strictest child labor laws in the world due to Hollywood and their obsession with child stars
The thing about south korea is that fans have this fanasty of meeting thier idols but not knowing how meesed up its is and the fact is that thier basic lives are taken away such as phones, no dating and weight checks is really ridiculous. Like thier whole world is dommed
They shouldn't recruit such young trainees in the industry as it's doomed and some commenting that Americans are lazy and soft hearted and they don't know the real meaning of hardwork in the industry let me tell you guys that they can handle pressure but too much strees, abuse isn't good
I will praying for kg and member of the vcha... #justiceforvchaandkg #justiceforvcha
The only RUclipsr and fan that i liked it's video. It's my first time watching and you only said facts, you didn't gaslighted as what others did and i loved that you wanted to see you both sides, because i still believe that JYPe and other vcha members have different side from the story
Talking about global group there's blackswan..
Literally so global and still sing in kpop .
Idk how they're treated but they're underrated as hell.
Not only global groups, K-pop was never ready for korean groups. Where do you think thousands of trainees go after years of training, if they dont debut? Or why is it that 99% of groups disband after their contract ends? The whole industry is demonic.
No amount of advancements in psychology or human rights will better the trainee system. A system that tries to make up for innate talent and genetics, with brute force, can never produce lasting good results and will collapse sooner or later.
The young will be thrown away once their youth is spent in slavery.
The Starlight Boys survival show challenge situation was terrible, but unfortunately there are probably companies doing similar things but they never show it. Especially if you are not one of the better performing trainees, companies likely don't really care about your well-being, they care more about your marketability and your idol image. And if you are one of the better performing trainees, you are probably expected to stay quiet at the mistreatment of others if you don't want to face problems with your company, and if anyone mentions a difficult situation, to lower the severity of the situation and laugh it off, I just saw a video of TWICE on a live when they were talking about their diets as trainees and they casually said with smiles on their faces/laughing about how the staff didn't give them company cafeteria food coupons because they were on a "'diet" so they had to sneak into the cafeteria and eat other trainees food that they would get for them to eat, like wtf?!?!??!?!?
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JYP Entertainment is the more respected entertainment companies that care about their groups as their reputation goes. If they are this shady and they are the big ones, imagine what less powerful entertainment groups are like?!
For people concerned about Katseye, a major credit to their parents as they are in the loop for everything. At the end of the day it's a contract between company and individual. The korean industry has skillfully Sugarcoted it as "family". Them being too straight forward in the documentary also helped, they didn't sugarcoat anything, backlash is better than a lawsuit.
Great video and I appreciate your valuable insight.
Thank you so much!
JYPE is in a world of trouble. Even by Kstandards, this is unconscousable. JYPE is going to be strung up by their heels for this.
It's also likely to get the Assembly involved. Coming after Hanni's testimony about Hybe (and yes, I know KG's complaint is more serious), the government is going to be forced to crack down on some of Kpop's harsher practices. No company should ignore medical problems and proscriptions for rest and healing. Kpop is too big a part of Korea's new image to let it be tainted by stories like this. If I were an agency, I'd be running a top-to-bottom review of trainee training protocols and identifying anything that might get them in trouble. It's do it now or face a lot of uncomfortable questions from the Assembly.
but isn't jyp usa based in... usa? and american laws apply to them? i don;t think the assembly will do anything about an issue they have no jurisdiction over
Wrong country
After hearing in "National Assembly", the authoritatives investigated it. They concluded there was NO bullying case in Hybe. Hannie lied about it.
@@mar93cie their LA based operation which is being sued is.
If this had been in Korea, it never would have come out, and everyone would have blamed KG because "Well this just proves Westerners/Americans are too soft." I'm sure people are saying that anyway because it helps their narrative. However, KG's lawsuit was filed against JYPE's American branch in California accusing it of breaking California law. Cali has some of the strictest labor standards -- especially for minors -- of anywhere in the USA.
Also I think its kinda interesting how this turns into a all kpop is like this aand not all child stars are treated like this, like does the jojo siwa lawsuite ring a bell? The dancers that are all really young and claim the same, dance through injuries, poor payment and restrictions
How not? I love KATSEYE, and they are getting so popular. But honestly, only KATSEYE is the only “global group” that I am interested in. Maybe it’s because they don’t pretend to be Korean and doesn’t wear Korean makeup just to… “fit in”. Also, their personality is not “calm and cute” like all Koreans. They are just who and how they are.
Not to mention, how does this make sense: “We bought you girls this $2M mansion. If everyone can chip in a half a mil for principal, interest, taxes and insurance, that would be great. Oh! And we’re not sure how much salary you’ve made but, spitballing, we’d say $0.00 each. Thanks!”
Excellent narration
Thank God KG spoke up and left
It's worth noting that _actual military training_ is *more humane* than what K-pop idols go through on a daily basis.
R Lee Ermey said his character Hartman in Full Metal Jacket was meant to be an example of a bad drill sergeant who IRL would get court-martialed for multiple UCMJ violations. Hartman was not as abusive as K-pop trainers regularly are.
The worst part is the non-disparagement clauses (plus Korea's broken society) that keep Idols from speaking out.
If you're young, attractive and talented you're honestly better off being an influencer or RUclipsr instead of a kpop idol
This is nothing new in the kpop industry, I've been a kpop fan since 2001 and it's been happening since 2nd gen kpop. Unfortunately foreigners are never really treat equally as their Korean members, it's always about money in the pockets of the company and not to the actual idols too much. Every new company comes up are shameless and just want a quick buck and don't treat people correctly hence that's why till this day the industry is a trash heap that is today with exception a few companies.
"42 NyQuil pills" thats insane 😶
I always said that the person who has western culture can't survive k pop industry why? You know why ㅋㅋㅋ there are big differences between east and west culture.
"North American Girl Group using the Kpop Training Model"......This statement shows how naive JYP was going into this project. Creating JYP USA and based training in the U.S. with international members was asking for trouble. Strick labor laws and members who have no clue what the Kpop Training Model entails was a ticking time bomb. Maybe JYP should have taken a larger personal role in overseeing this project instead of spending his time promoting himself (collabs w/ artists and personal appearances & etc.).
Oh wouldn't you know it. In other places we call this abuse. Kpop is stuck on thr 1950s. I hope this helps othet Idos
This is so depressing wtf😢😢😢😢😢
yeah rip vcha
The contracts remind me so much of those in the 1920s and on studio system.
Also, having them based in LA feels like it may be their done fall. California doesn't play when in comes to minors (in traditional entertainment).
I bet JYP is regretting naming the company after himself😅
where do I find a copy of the contract?
Just google it as its pubically available
The way JYPE is obsessed with international or western validation it was a matter of time before all this happened. I miss the old JYPE songs not this copycat music they lost their way and need to go back to what made JYPE. Now you can’t see their artistes on the Charts the music is hurting our ears . Jype leave the WESTERN VALIDATION OBSESSION!!!!!
THAT'S your take from this? Can you possibly BE more asinine? We know EVERY K-pop company does the same things to its Asian talents/trainees. Doesn't make it okay there either, it's just their culture is one of deference to seniority/authority so these violations get swept under the rug
Mystified by why people like you don't understand that the decision to expand is most likely financial. If you're operating in an oversaturated market, with little room to grow, what options are open to you? It's not about validation, it's about the money.
The abusing youngsters just needs to stop. And they could actually be successful.
ngl at this point id rather debut in HYBE...
Most of these companies work with the same standards.
The world is ready but it all depends on the management. JYP was clearly not good enough then
Does jyp seriously think anyone believes they're not in the wrong? What crack are they smoking?
I feel very sorry for these girls, but did none of them know what the training of K-pop stars was. It's hard, stressful and overwhelming for some. The system has been around for a long time. It's sad but true. It's a different culture.
It kind of doesn't matter what kpop culture is, if you're operating in another country, you have to follow that country's laws. JYPE didn't follow the labor laws of the US in general, and California specifically (which has very strict labor and child labor laws), so they're now going to reap the consequences.
What you say is irrelevant. This isn't Korea (nor should it be). If JYPE-US broke the law, then they broke the law and deserve to face the consequences.
I have no doubt in my mind KG expected the training to be tough. I don't think she expected herself of the others to be emotionally and physically abused by a group of psychopathic Asians to the point of self-harm.
Lesson: Do NOT apply toxic kpop standards to non-Asians.
Not really non asians. Look at new jeans. They clocked that shit and didn't take it lying down. I think you mean Westerners. He'll, even the asians are starting to speak up
don’t apploy them to anyone???? stop abusing and exploiting minors in every country perhaps???
12/12/24 ( Thursday ) 9.29 am. Clash of Asian with American cultures and values. The once Kpop "Asian" group of CLC with more US billboard rankings than popular (G)-idle even after its official disbandment in 2022, also endured mistreatment and mismanagement from trash Cube for 7 years ! No lawsuits or attempted suicide from them. Its better to disband VCHA. Let the girls free.
While I agree with everything, and I wish for idols and trainees to be treated better, the courts and law in South Korea famously favor chaebols, so I don't have much hope for KG and other idols, unfortunately.
Also, is it still K-Pop if they're singing in English and have mostly Western members?
This happened in the state of California on American soil for Americans based in LA. They're getting sued in California, home of the strictest child labor laws in the world.
All that happened in America already and industry around the world take example
I don't think vcha or katseyes will work, i mean they aren't kpop but with kpop system and culture. Not kpop because they don't target koreans but international kpop fans and Usa.
Vcha is jyp usa but with kpop system and korean culture for work, to not sleep long time, to overwork, it's not only kpop system it's south korea system ans culture.
So 2 different culture western culture vs south korea culture clashed.
I think it won't work because western artists won't accept kpop system and south korea's culture, culture of work etc.
It's not kpop target fir americans and international kpop fans but with kpop and south korea's system and culture.
Katseyes work at Hybe i think, the same and they have to adapt to south korea's culture but some won't adapt and don't agree with the culture and will leave i think
It doesn't matter if this is normal in kpop. What they did is extremely illegal. They abused Americans on american soil under California, home of the greatest child labor laws in the world, to minors. They're getting sued in California. Jyp is getting sued out the wazoo. This is not korea. This shit doesn't fly in the west.
Please do more research on who manages katseye it's not just hybe
can we be honest, the real catalyst is the debt owed 500k, KG wanted to live somewhere else since feb 2024, but felt pressured to live with the other girls. OH let's not forget LA is extremely expensive! The harsh training was there since A2k and even more so in the Korea portion, she knew what she was getting into. That's why Christina was glad she did not debut, and even the other girl leaving during the transition from the LA portion to Korea portion. We know KG is using the typical Starvation and extreme training to push her agenda, contract termination. If what KG is alleging is true then yes her contract should be terminated, but shouldn't the choice of the Other members be theirs to decide if they want to continue? That's how you know there are a ton of Anti-Vchas out there, because before the truth is out, they already want VCha to disband and for other groups under JYPE to suffer. You know these people just hate JYPE. If they were logically consistent, with changing the Kpop industry they would stop listening and supporting it, it's that simple. But they can't.
The only comment that i can relate to, thank you so much
Free New Jeans!
Except when New Jeans calls out Bang Si-Hyuk, Ador and Hybe, I see a lot of K-pop non-Korean channels coming to defense of the corporation and perpetrators, defending how contracts are sacred, no matter how the other side violates the working relationship and trust.
Hanni from New Jeans lied about bullying case. It was already investigated by the authoritatives.
@@BP-rg8xp unless they show concrete evidence that they were mistreated like kg and loona did, i won't believe their petty claims. anyways it's not us stupid fans' decision, it's the court's decision so i'll wait
Everything is not about NJ.
There's already been court documents with leaks from Hybe showing its mal-intention to submerse New Jeans while making numerous derogatory assessments of other K-pop groups. As the malicious Hybe/Source leaks of the New Jeans show, Hybe's role in creating New Jeans is highly incidental and accidental. Bang Si-Hyuk specifically recruited Min Hee-Jean from SM to capitalize off her creative legacy (SNSD, Fx, Shinee, Exo, Red Velvet), culminating in the New Jeans project to make up for his own failures with Glam. Bang's envy and hubris clearly get the better of him as illustrated in this huge company document leak, as he tries to bury New Jeans while stripmining and creating krappy knock-offs. Hybe-shilling and propaganda can only hide his company embezzlement scandal so far until the whole made-up narrative blows up.
@@BP-rg8xp Then you should actually ask NJ to file a lawsuit
Entertainment has always been like this from TLC TO *NSYNC *Look it up * , there is a lot of investment towards these artists without them working . She joined out of fantasy not reality ,This is why parents needs to talk about the reality of their goals to be prepared for all outcomes of dreams . But this was JYPE UNITED States team not Korea .
And it bloody well shouldn't be. It's not that hard to treat your fellow human beings with decency. Especially young children. Give them food, give them water, let them sleep, don't humiliate or blackmail them. Most normal people working with youngsters manage this on a daily basis. And that goes for Korean trainess/idols too.
The worst thing kpop could do is just that, going western. Bad idea.
Why? So the well-known history of abuse can stay confined to Korea because "East Asians can handle it"?
L take.
I think they should go western in terms of workplace and human rights. That's the best thing they can do
She signed the contact. Now Vcha is not popular. She just want to get out. About 50 new idol groups debut in 1 year.Almost 1 new group every week. If you don't have out standing vocal, dance, visual, determination then go home ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ btw the company will loose lots of money 😂😂😂
No kg is just ignoring the contract like Fifty fifty and newjeans. The thing like this has happenend often in kpop industry. Jyp is not a charitable enterprise
We're not morally decrepit rats like you. We actually have human rights and empathy and common sense here. 😊
If I could think of a nasty slur for a Korean, I'd use it right now. You're speaking out of your nonexistent ass, and just because this is normal in Korea doesn't make it okay there and certainly not here. JYPE is being sued in California for KG's contract violating California law. Contracts aren't sacred. Your worthless country doesn't matter except that JYPE employees likely brought your toxic culture here without knowing our child labor laws.
Foreigners who generalize Korean culture by listening to the words of kg without evidence live without watching the news? Haven't you heard of Puff Daddy?
Next..
Kateyes will file a lawsuit against HYBE.. 😂
Your obsession with hybe is showing
I dont think so. Based from their videos they seem pretty good with the management.
Geffen record knew about US law, but JYPE USA do not understand about it. It seem you are dumb 😂
um naur katseye and hybe ceo were close umlike newjeans he ignored them.....ur judt jealous how katseye were popular
@monmon.18 They're nothing but co-workers who HATED each other guts with a passion but acted like they like each other in public. They won't last.
DEI kpop was never going to work; Korea has too unique of a brutal training regimen for trainees; it wouldn't transfer well across other cultures.
Child abuse isn't excusable in korea either
@@modanislove without this "child abuse"; kpop as an industry would not exist; you wouldn't care about Korea (you would be doing something else right now), and you wouldn't be commenting on this video.
@@alphago9397if kpop not existing is the consequence of not abusing children then that is a consequence I am willing to take
@alphago9397 so child abuse is justified because I support kpop? Wow you hit a real new low for defending abuse, a minor fucking tried to kill themselves
@@alphago9397so? this isn’t the gotcha you think it is. if kpop couldn’t exist without abuse (which… I doubt is true) then yeah, I think i’d be okay with it not existing at all
Western mentality trying to survive here in the east lol
Elaborate because right now, your comment means nothing.
Still you managed to support new jeans cause they are pretty Asian girls who are really popular
@@LiOH-H2SO4 Yours too
@@xiaoj-u2e Not really
Stop saying that child abuse is okay in the east
After this 100% for sure there won’t be any Kpop companies trying to recruit westerners especially the Americans … Strawberry generation who can’t even go through half of YG simple training or whatever half lBlackpink / Twice / Itzy and Aespa went through ..
No talent is fine but at least try to follow the company rules that had create many successful Kpop artist .. KG do sucks at dance and was forced to repeat many times is common in Kpop … watch back the video how Soyeon from Gidle drill her members and how hard JYP was on Itzy which resulted a famously reward .. watch / listen to “Imaginary friends” from Itzy and see how much their vocal improve !
Disband Vcha .. it’s waste of time and money for JYP…
Lol you sound like a wannabe K-pop idol with this dumb comment. Your literally dismissing all the horrible things aspiring K-pop idols go through without walking in there shoes.
Under that mindset then all Kpop companies should close their American branches and leave the U.S since they can't obey the workers rights laws, but I'm not surprised you think that way as it seems to be common in Korea which is probably why the birth rates are almost non existent and Korea ranks #3 in the world in suicides, mostly being women. Well done.
congrats, you are part of the problem lol
so you’re blaming the underage members instead of the company? it’s jype’s fault for thinking they could get away with this kind of practices on foreign trainees just because it worked in korea… they messed with the wrong person, kg was a solo artist before she became a member of vcha and kg won’t back down without a fight like most western artist would do, kg has been very outspoken on things like lgbtq and blm, she has a gay brother and supports the trevor project…
@@balladofahomeschooledboy0514 well this westerners are weak … look at you top UNI …
It’s all taken over by Asians ! Even at Olympics .. every time the Asians are doing better and better cause you guys can’t go through the suffer of hardwork your older generations had went through …
Katseye will be next. More like Katsbye or Katcha lol
pfft ur judt jealous how katseye is getting more popular each day hahahahaha they will be next big global mark my words.
keep dreaming lewser.
@monmon.18 i will mark that they'll be the next vcha.
also the fact that they put Manon in Katseye when she clearly was no putting the same amount of effort, screams that they wanted diversity for the sake of it.
it probably isn’t about diversity because there was another mixed girl on the show that they could have used but chose not to.
@crystal9621 mmm well... was she beautiful cause that is also something that they look for
it wasn't so much diversity as it was "star power" as stated by bang sihyuk... which basically just translates to visuals. manon is strikingly beautiful in all aspects
@MROYvids yeah both, they wanted a beautiful tan girls and they got them
@@rowanjoy419 but your argument is saying she got in because of the sake of diversity... there were other girls of her race that were more skilled. But objectively speaking Manon was the most beautiful in the program, the voters saw that as well
Complaining about earning little while having big debt. What did you think? These companies spend millions up front incurring all the risk. You aren't making any money for the company at the beginning. It's pretty much all costs. This isn't only related to kpop. In America, the companies might give advances, but it all needs to be paid back.
Truthfully though, I knew there would be issues with kpop in America. Most Americans don't have the drive or determination to put in the work, they just want the fame and popularity.
It's like many kids want to be Olympic gymnasts but most can not make the cut... not enough drive and determination to reach that level... I hope that the kpop industry learns that having kpop in America is not a good idea... it never was.
so just to be clear, you’re okay with a teenage girl attempting to end her own life directly due to what jype put her through? you’re saying that that’s her fault for not having the “drive or determination to put in the work”? teenage girls hurting themselves is okay with you? genuinely, how can you defend that?
I bet you work 16 hours a day but only get paid for 8 right? And your boss has hidden cameras to keep an eye on you too? If you don't then stfu because you sound stupid af.
@@memryse this is an obtuse response because that’s not what this person is saying. Let’s not pretend that stories of strict restrictions on food and diet leading to unhealthy food relationships and EDs are new to Kpop. Let’s not pretend that rigorous, grueling work schedules are par for the course in Kpop. Let’s not pretend that performing whole sick or injured is the norm in Kpop. Suga had a shoulder injury that needed surgery to correct for years and still performed. No one’s saying this is ok but it is equally ridiculous for JYP to think they could apply this to non-Koreans and it would be ok as it is for these non-Koreans to think they would be immune to the agreed upon kpop system. Again not right and things should change but you also have to know what you’re signing up for. Not only do there need to be changes to the Kpop system but companies need to stop trying to do this global group stuff. It doesn’t work, it won’t work.
@@lboogii never said any of it was new to kpop. my point is that this is not okay regardless of how normalised it is, and i don’t think it’s the teenage girls’ fault especially when they were under the impression that the american labour laws would be followed. teenagers are not known for having rational, completely informed decision making, and again jype expressly stated that they would follow these labour laws. jype lied and flagrantly violated them to operate in the exact same way that they would in korea (which is *still* utterly despicable and i would have exactly the same response to this happening in korea).
i think it’s incredibly misrepresentative for this commebter to talk about trainee debt (which is irrelevant given that the debt she is talking about is from jype buying a $2.5m home and expecting them to pay for it, not the cost of training them) and blame the girls’ work ethic without mentioning that lives were very nearly lost here. if you feel the need to defend a multimillion dollar company from a child like that commenter did, at least say it with your full chest that you think it was the member’s fault that she attempted to end her own life, because she apparently should have known what she was getting into. because to literally everybody else that is how this comes across.
@ your response is obtuse because the commenter said nothing about normalizing anything. In saying that that is what they are saying minimizes the intention of the post and dismisses the discussion you say you want to have. Aside from that, there is no need for the commentor to normalize anything. It’s already normalized in Kpop and has been for over a decade. Should changes be made sure. Like I said though… it was ridiculous for JYP or any of these companies to think they would be able to treat foreign members like they would treat usual trainees. This kind of treatment is not within our culture. It is also ridiculous for these members to think they would be treated differently from usual trainees. Like it or not an artist’s debt to the company is absolutely a factor. I don’t think this will affect the change that is needed in the kpop industry, it might just codify it into contracts or something else.
I have mixed feelings because we know the Korean programs work for producing some of the most successful groups so while I feel like they need an injection of humanity the Korean girls know what they are getting in to. But this type of workload and expectations would be really difficult to impose on us spoiled Americans which is why I doubt they will have success.
imagine thinking americans are privileged for not wanting to be abused and broken down to a shell of their former selves. you can make a successful group without running them into the ground, these companies just love having control over their artists. nothing good or strategic about it. this abusive behavior is deeply embedded in the industry and they don’t want to change it because they literally don’t want idols to be their own people. nothing spoiled about not wanting to lose weight until you’re skeletal and training until you tear a muscle.
So why are American artists the highest selling worldwide if they so lazy and spoiled? What a dumb comment and mindset.
I’m sure I’m the future kpop idols will come out in the future with permanent physical disabilities and badly aging from plastic surgery as they become much older and retiring. Besides Korea is known to be accepting of exploitation
Something is wrong with you
They should follow US law because they operate at US. It is simple, but JYPE and kpop fans are so dumb 😂
Wait but katseye has bullying one of the members because in the survival show... not bullying not right 🙃🤑 hybe not good for girl groups in the past aka new jeans, old ador, new ador and other crap... it real news will come out around katseye around bullying crap
It was clarified...it wasnt bullying
It is not about bullying only but also breaking the US law. You must be dumb 😂
whahaha its just to add drama to the show dummy
For those who are defending this company: PLEASE, don't forget the suffering that your fav groups went through. Even TWICE experienced really dark times since before their debut.