That is my load too. Lapua trimmed to 2.015 Nosler 175 hpbt m BC-.505 44 grains Varget OAL 2.800 gets me 2712 in my Winchester bolt and 2607 in and Lilja 1in11 20" AR10
Good video, I agree with all that you covered. Just wanted to add, Varget is a very good choice but many times is very hard to get, I'm using Hodgdon BL-C2 and seems to be easier to find, I buy it in 8lb kegs. You mentioned about going subsonic at 1000 yards, I use a CCI Magnum primer, since your not loading max load it won't effect the cup pressure to much, but it will bump your velocity about 100 ft per second. 45.8 gr BL-C2 it's pushing about 2850 at MV. I shoot a 168gr bthp SMK, Now there is a bullet made that will hold a close trajectory as the .300 win mag, Its a Alco 168gr rebated bullet. It will out shoot anything on the market, very flat trajectory the reason being it has a bullet coeffiency of .618 A 168gr bthp smk has a coeffiency of about .450
I've been shooting the 175 grain Berger's in my 30" Bartlein barreled, Defiance action rifle chambered in .308 Winchester in our Mid-range F-class matches. I just climbed into the NRA High-Master classification this season. I believe the reason for this is that I now weigh everything and I’ve focused heavily on my trigger control. I weigh my brass cases to the grain, and my powder charges and bullets to the 1/10th of a grain on an electronic scale. I believe this has made a big difference in my scores as my average Is currently 590.00 in FT/R class. I've been shooting a 1,000 round batch of Federal GMM brass that I shot prior to loading my own ammo. We carefully prepped the brass inside and out and it's been working very well for me. I neck-size only with Lee’s Colet Neck-size die. I'm now on my second firing of the brass. Once the primer pockets loosen up I'll scrap the GMM brass and go with 1,000 rounds of brand new Lapua brass of the same lot number. The other things I really focused on this season were making better wind calls on the firing line, cleaning my barrel properly after each and every match, and again, my trigger control. While there are more efficient cartridges out there for F-class, the thing I really like about the .308 is the extended barrel life I’ll get. I don’t need to spin a new barrel on each season like I would if I were shooting any of the 6 or 6.5 millimeter cartridges.
Surprised your getting 175gr to stabilize in your 1-12. 45.0 in WW brass with CCI Br2 has been the load for many years. Good selection of components ........top notch
Great video, thank you, I load the .308 Winchester, I load a Sierra 168 grain MK with Lapua brass, 42 grains of Varget, with a cci BR large rifle primer, and can get .5 inch groups at 500 yards , my rifle is a Rem. 700 police with a 24” bbl with 1:12 twist, on an AICS stock, with a Harris bipod, an HVR Jewel trigger, and a Mark 4 Leopoldo ER 5-32x 50 optics, and I love the light recoil it carry’s, I wish I could shoot out to a 1,000 yards, I would try your medicine for the 175 grain SMK’s👍🏼👍🏼✌🏼
thanks for ya time an sharing . hopefully going too start reloading next year . I've shot out from 500m . which I had fun at . an wish too get up too bisley . an try for a day's shooting . ATB
I use the Berger classic hunter 168g, with 41.9g Varget in Lake City brass, cci br primers and shoot out of a 1 in 10, 22inch barrel and it's Awesome...out to 800 yards. I live in Wyoming at a higher elevation..4,500 ft so that has a little to do with it. Shoot so good I've yet to try the 175's or 178's in my safe. I guess one day I will...figure if I want to stretch my legs, I'd put the 26 inch 338 lapua barrel in...but more money. Nice video.
em Burgess what part of Wy?I'm in north central and have been toying with idea of going heavier bullet.Right now shooting150 accubond.It seems to do ok here but would like to go elk hunting along with deer I already do.Do you like the Berger over the accubond for hunting or is your shooting mostly match.?
Fred Waldon Well I was loading the Berger 168g target bullets (yellow box) but do love to hunt so I switched over to the Orange box 168g Hunter classic thinking practice with I intend to hunt with but have yet to kill anything other than steel so far. I'm in Gillette...
Good video Bob, I am just starting to reload rifle ammo, and 308. hoping to get to Bisley in the next month to try out to 1000 yds. so good information for me, I have bought the Lapua brass and the 175 Match king, so looks like I bought the right stuff. Keep up the good work, nice to watch an English vid I understand.
Great vid... I also shoot pretty close to the same load as you. I have good experience with the Hornady match brass, and I also have a metric shit ton of match grade military brass I use as well. I will give the Lapua brass a try. Nothing with Lapua on it is bad quality. I use 168's to hunt, and 175's for match. The 168's turn hard right after roughly 600yds. I use Varget in my 5.56 reloads, but use Benchmark and RL15 in my .308 with good results. I'll have to try the Varget in the .308 now that I've seen your load.
great video. mate. I'm from australia and going to reload for my .308.. I'm a hunter and love shooting at long range.. what I hunt with is what I shoot on the range with..
As the projectile transitions to subsonic velocity, its own shock wave strikes it from behind, causing instability, both aerodynamically and gyrationally. Hence the advantage of a boat tail at range! I think...
If you want to go to 600y ish that's a good bullet. if you want to go to 1000y you are going to need a 175 smk or a 168 A-max they have a longer point and a higher BC. The 168 smk don't perform as well when they get close to sub sonic speed.
+taiming71 I second this, my experience is 168's are good to 600yds. When I go 800yds, I jump up to the 175.....when I go 1000yds, I switch to my 6.5mm lol less recoil and better BC!
my pet load at 800 yds is 41.2 grains imr 4064 behind a 168 match hornady bullet. I dont shoot past 800 with 308. Ive got other calibers for longer range that carry a lot more energy and are better suited for 1000-1200
Excellent video ! and awesome load data, And when you pulled the Laupa brass out I was yup he's serious . I absolutely use those . How many reloads are you getting from a new box of Laupa brass?
Brasso should never go near brass cases because of the ammonia content, it attacks the molecular scale and can deform its integrity causing cracking etc, brass is 70% copper and 30% zinc both which react to ammonia.. the cartridge is the only thing between you and 50,000 + psi.. many people have never had a problem but it’s better to be safe than sorry!
Hi Bob , you say that with Lapua brass they are ready to load up out of the box without any case prep , that all we need to do is prime them and load em up . My question is wouldn’t it be best to run them into the full length die first to size them to minimum spec , and then fire form them in our chamber ?
I have a SCAR 17, 1/12, 16". I just got my Dillon 550 set up but haven't used it yet. I'm using Lake City brass. I'm stuck on going with 168 or 175 grain Match kings. What would you suggest? These rifles are capable of 1MOA and if I can get close to that I'd be happy. I'll be going out to 500 yards. Thanks.
I don't use this particular bullet. The recommended load for a 168 grain is 41.0 to 45.7 grains of Varget. I would strongly advise you to buy a reloading manual. I use the Lyman 49th edition as my main manual. Cheers, Bob.
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Micheal cane... I didn’t know you had such a hobby!
That is my load too. Lapua trimmed to 2.015 Nosler 175 hpbt m BC-.505 44 grains Varget OAL 2.800 gets me 2712 in my Winchester bolt and 2607 in and Lilja 1in11 20" AR10
Good video, I agree with all that you covered. Just wanted to add, Varget is a very good choice but many times is very hard to get, I'm using Hodgdon BL-C2 and seems to be easier to find, I buy it in 8lb kegs. You mentioned about going subsonic at 1000 yards, I use a CCI Magnum primer, since your not loading max load it won't effect the cup pressure to much, but it will bump your velocity about 100 ft per second. 45.8 gr BL-C2 it's pushing about 2850 at MV. I shoot a 168gr bthp SMK, Now there is a bullet made that will hold a close trajectory as the .300 win mag, Its a Alco 168gr rebated bullet. It will out shoot anything on the market, very flat trajectory the reason being it has a bullet coeffiency of .618 A 168gr bthp smk has a coeffiency of about .450
very efficient presentation...doesn't go on and on and doesn't repeat. Well planned talk....and good data.
I've been shooting the 175 grain Berger's in my 30" Bartlein barreled, Defiance action rifle chambered in .308 Winchester in our Mid-range F-class matches. I just climbed into the NRA High-Master classification this season. I believe the reason for this is that I now weigh everything and I’ve focused heavily on my trigger control. I weigh my brass cases to the grain, and my powder charges and bullets to the 1/10th of a grain on an electronic scale. I believe this has made a big difference in my scores as my average Is currently 590.00 in FT/R class. I've been shooting a 1,000 round batch of Federal GMM brass that I shot prior to loading my own ammo. We carefully prepped the brass inside and out and it's been working very well for me. I neck-size only with Lee’s Colet Neck-size die. I'm now on my second firing of the brass. Once the primer pockets loosen up I'll scrap the GMM brass and go with 1,000 rounds of brand new Lapua brass of the same lot number. The other things I really focused on this season were making better wind calls on the firing line, cleaning my barrel properly after each and every match, and again, my trigger control. While there are more efficient cartridges out there for F-class, the thing I really like about the .308 is the extended barrel life I’ll get. I don’t need to spin a new barrel on each season like I would if I were shooting any of the 6 or 6.5 millimeter cartridges.
Very insightful information for reloading this round. Enjoyed greatly.
Thanks for your comment.
Cheers, Bob.
Surprised your getting 175gr to stabilize in your 1-12.
45.0 in WW brass with CCI Br2 has been the load for many years.
Good selection of components ........top notch
I enjoyed you video very much. Thanks for the information. It has been quite helpful to me as I start into long range shooting.
thank you. great info. I have been holding out on the Lapua brass due to cost. I will try it.
Great video, thank you, I load the .308 Winchester, I load a Sierra 168 grain MK with Lapua brass, 42 grains of Varget, with a cci BR large rifle primer, and can get .5 inch groups at 500 yards , my rifle is a Rem. 700 police with a 24” bbl with 1:12 twist, on an AICS stock, with a Harris bipod, an HVR Jewel trigger, and a Mark 4 Leopoldo ER 5-32x 50 optics, and I love the light recoil it carry’s, I wish I could shoot out to a 1,000 yards, I would try your medicine for the 175 grain SMK’s👍🏼👍🏼✌🏼
thanks for ya time an sharing . hopefully going too start reloading next year . I've shot out from 500m . which I had fun at . an wish too get up too bisley . an try for a day's shooting . ATB
I use the Berger classic hunter 168g, with 41.9g Varget in Lake City brass, cci br primers and shoot out of a 1 in 10, 22inch barrel and it's Awesome...out to 800 yards. I live in Wyoming at a higher elevation..4,500 ft so that has a little to do with it. Shoot so good I've yet to try the 175's or 178's in my safe. I guess one day I will...figure if I want to stretch my legs, I'd put the 26 inch 338 lapua barrel in...but more money. Nice video.
em Burgess what part of Wy?I'm in north central and have been toying with idea of going heavier bullet.Right now shooting150 accubond.It seems to do ok here but would like to go elk hunting along with deer I already do.Do you like the Berger over the accubond for hunting or is your shooting mostly match.?
Fred Waldon Well I was loading the Berger 168g target bullets (yellow box) but do love to hunt so I switched over to the Orange box 168g Hunter classic thinking practice with I intend to hunt with but have yet to kill anything other than steel so far. I'm in Gillette...
Good video Bob, I am just starting to reload rifle ammo, and 308. hoping to get to Bisley in the next month to try out to 1000 yds. so good information for me, I have bought the Lapua brass and the 175 Match king, so looks like I bought the right stuff. Keep up the good work, nice to watch an English vid I understand.
Thanks for your comment. Good luck at Bisley.
Cheers, Bob.
anyone told you you sound like the bulter for batman lol
ohhh yeaaaaa lol
You mean Michael Caine? Yes...yes he does.
Great vid... I also shoot pretty close to the same load as you. I have good experience with the Hornady match brass, and I also have a metric shit ton of match grade military brass I use as well. I will give the Lapua brass a try. Nothing with Lapua on it is bad quality. I use 168's to hunt, and 175's for match. The 168's turn hard right after roughly 600yds. I use Varget in my 5.56 reloads, but use Benchmark and RL15 in my .308 with good results. I'll have to try the Varget in the .308 now that I've seen your load.
great video. mate. I'm from australia and going to reload for my .308.. I'm a hunter and love shooting at long range.. what I hunt with is what I shoot on the range with..
+Clinton Walsh Thanks mate.
Bob.
You welcome buddy..
your recommendation for a 150 gr projectile.
for a 783 in 308
hunting med-big game
50-200m
thinking serria MK n Hornabey SST
Thoughts
As the projectile transitions to subsonic velocity, its own shock wave strikes it from behind, causing instability, both aerodynamically and gyrationally. Hence the advantage of a boat tail at range! I think...
Alan Passat Transonic the reason im watching these videos
Just found your channel Bobseal223 , subbed . You have some interesting videos I gonna watch.
Thanks for the comment.
Cheers, Bob.
Great video. I have been using 44 grains of Varget with 168 grain match king HPBT.
Thanks for your comment. Good load.
Cheers, Bob.
If you want to go to 600y ish that's a good bullet. if you want to go to 1000y you are going to need a 175 smk or a 168 A-max they have a longer point and a higher BC. The 168 smk don't perform as well when they get close to sub sonic speed.
+taiming71 I second this, my experience is 168's are good to 600yds. When I go 800yds, I jump up to the 175.....when I go 1000yds, I switch to my 6.5mm lol less recoil and better BC!
+taiming71 Hmmm, I did not know that, thank you. Ive been a big fan of 168's but now ill give 175's a try...
i was using 190gr CC noslers for 1000m+ also shot at 2550 fps they worked out to 1200m very well.
I gave a thumbs up when you put the blame on the right person 😏
my pet load at 800 yds is 41.2 grains imr 4064 behind a 168 match hornady bullet.
I dont shoot past 800 with 308. Ive got other calibers for longer range that carry a lot more energy and are better suited for 1000-1200
Excellent video ! and awesome load data, And when you pulled the Laupa brass out I was yup he's serious . I absolutely use those . How many reloads are you getting from a new box of Laupa brass?
I this what you started doing after Batman retired? Mr Cane?
You don't mention re-pointing your bullets. Have you tried that, and if you have do you believe it helps?
I have a good 190gr load that make consistent hits at 1200m/1300y.
+taiming71 Care to share that load?
4895IMR at 2550fps federal primers
whats ur take on checking case thickness uniformity and neck turning if necessary. .isnthe time and effort worth the downrange results?
Sir! I like the obama bit of the comments.
+Koka Andras
Thanks mate.
Bob
That bipod where did you get?
Brasso should never go near brass cases because of the ammonia content, it attacks the molecular scale and can deform its integrity causing cracking etc, brass is 70% copper and 30% zinc both which react to ammonia.. the cartridge is the only thing between you and 50,000 + psi.. many people have never had a problem but it’s better to be safe than sorry!
Good caution re the use of Brasso - I did not know that. I clean my case necks with a very fine steel wool which seems to work well.
Hi Bob , you say that with Lapua brass they are ready to load up out of the box without any case prep , that all we need to do is prime them and load em up . My question is wouldn’t it be best to run them into the full length die first to size them to minimum spec , and then fire form them in our chamber ?
cheers
I have a SCAR 17, 1/12, 16". I just got my Dillon 550 set up but haven't used it yet. I'm using Lake City brass. I'm stuck on going with 168 or 175 grain Match kings. What would you suggest? These rifles are capable of 1MOA and if I can get close to that I'd be happy. I'll be going out to 500 yards. Thanks.
Hello, are you 1-10 Twist rate and your Barrel Length??
+Ken Lupold No my barrel is 1-12.
Cheers, Bob.
im reloading 168 grain Vmax. what load would you recommend using?
I don't use this particular bullet. The recommended load for a 168 grain is 41.0 to 45.7 grains of Varget. I would strongly advise you to buy a reloading manual. I use the Lyman 49th edition as my main manual.
Cheers,
Bob.
I use 168 gr VMax for hunting. It's a great bullet, but the 168's take a hard right turn around 600yds, where the 175's won't.
A bit ho hum if you ask me.
Cause you can't throw grenades far enough. Muahahahha.