Averaging 4.5 l/100 kms on my 22 ES300H (calc at the bowser not by trip comp). Seen as low as 3.1 on a highway trip with lots of road works slowing things down. Spends a surprising amout of time with the petrol engine off.
That’s the main issue with this car. It feels too similar to drive to a top trim Camry SL Hybrid that can be negotiated to high $40k not $80k. At this price, people want the kind of engine you get with a 330i, not a Camry hybrid taxi. And long term reliability is more of a concern for everyday buyers holding onto a car for a decade than a leased luxury car. The driving experience matters more then.
@@User-cb4jm big diff in $ FROM CAMRY TO ES. not in Canada though, top spec camry 54 k otr ,however , can't get it off the lot , short supply. I bought es top spec hybrid 73 k otr. well worth it for me. Bmw 330, much faster car but having visited Australia I can tell you one thing, I have never seen a place driving so slow. religiously obeying speed limit. 100- 110 was it. In Ontario speed limit is also 100-110 but 120 130 speed is the norm. having those speed limits I went with es h over 330 and no regrets.
this thinking has made you waste your life on boring stuff. It is also a very lazy way of thinking. You could have done a bit of research and find plenty of highly reliable euro cars, that offer way more than this prehistoric pieces of engineering.
Great value in my country. Comes standard with actual luxury, unlike German "premium" cars. Full power seats, power steering column, leather, sunroof, adaptive cruise etc.
@@nessuno5403 He means standard equipment. With the German car, if you want to have all options, you have to pay almost the double what you pay for comparable Lexus. Lexus is even better in some cases despite being cheaper, because it has better interior quality and better sound deadening than German cars from the same segment. Even the handling is good, it's no longer as floaty as in older Lexus cars, it's confident enough and only slightly worse than German cars. The only true downside of Lexus is when it comes to overtaking, then CVT has its lag which might be irritating if you don't have much space to overtake. City driving is still quick enough though, because electric motors have enough power at low speeds.
@@cytrynowy_melon6604 I don't fully agree with all you said because, for example, German cars are just as well equipped depending on which market you are from. The Japanese are or were higher quality, but that's debatable nowadays. Dynamically, they have improved a lot, but the Europeans still reign.
@@cytrynowy_melon6604 Lexus doesnt have better interior quality. Those are misconceptions from comparing base german models with cloth seats and glossy plastics with base japanese cars which where indeed better equiped. If your doing a tit for tat comparison, theres simply no comparison. The japanese have never been more silent than the germans, lol. Take any german saloon on an autobahn at 160 kmh or more and compare it to something like a Lexus GS or this ES. Autogeful has done it and theres no comparison. The Lexus are way worse at dampening. Then there is not only the drive quality that sucks at Lexus, the ride quality is nowhere near the Germans either. Once again, an E class damps every road imperfection like a champ at any speed while keeping the car composed and safe. The GS, IS and ES, all have problems at dealing with potholes and ondulated surfaces at above 120kmh. You feel every road vibration on the cabin and seat. This 2 things, drive and ride quality are pretty much the defining factors of luxury, not the leather on the seats, and in both cases the germans stomps the Lexus, which is nowadays the only high end representative of japanese luxury. Infiniti is dead pretty much and Acura are jokes.
I wonder why acceleration is in recent years so important for many ? These cars are not sport cars even if sometimes called so. Why make "performance" narrative for public road cars ? Public road is not Nurburgring
@@jasonw98 this 100%. Driving a powerful car in a relaxed and effortless manner is a much better experience than ringing the neck of an underpowered unit just trying to merge.
CVT, smallish naturally aspirated 4 cylinder, front wheel drive, but as heavy as a Mercedes S class from 20 years ago but is smaller in size, hybrid complexity but still slow to 60 km/h, slow to 100km/h... we have a winner here folks. Run and get these while stocks last. Even if you take away the hybrid and add 10 extra litres of fuel consumption per 100km, it'll cost just AUD 2000 per 10000km/annum.
It’s the same engine as on a Camry Hybrid taxi, I don’t know how people settle for a $30k driving experience at $80k - sure it’s wrapped in chrome and glitz, but you’d at least expect effortless quiet acceleration at this price.
@Lexus IS300H way more expensive and still lackluster acceleration we are talking >6 seconds to 100, and acceleration gets worse at higher speeds due to electric propulsion. Other plugins at that price do way better let alone full EVs
@@Sha-Ayo Actually, because of the Power Split Device, Toyota/Lexus Hybrids have their maximum power after 100km/h. They are slow from a start but quite fast at medium to high speeds. It has the same 60-110 acceleration as a Volvo V60 Cross Country 2.0 Turbo with 250hp :) and it is faster than a 2.5 Turbo Mazda CX-5 with a higher trap speed after 402m.
@@Eugen-E That is true for all out acceleration but in short spontaneous bursts the hybrid is more nimble because he can shift down quickly and has an additional electrical punch. In daily driving this is a more relevant aspect than those "long" drag races. This is true at low speed especially.
@@dukesim6088 Depends on the country you live in )) In my country it's more relevant 80-140km/h times than 0-60 or 0-100. And the es300h is great after 80km/h if compared to other 200hp similar sedans.
It’s fine, but for the same money i can buy an Audi A4 and still get 30-32 mpg, with a much faster car. Lexus needs to drop the 300h and only offer the power train that’s in the NX450h.
Audi a4 feels like a tractor in front of this car's ride quality. ES is built for comfort not for acceleration, if you want acceleration IS 350 is the way to go
Exciting stuff starts at 3:03
Sounds like a hairdryer
Not in this case, no excitement! 🤪
Good review but the exciting stuff about this car starts at 5:54
@@firstofall3975 😂
Averaging 4.5 l/100 kms on my 22 ES300H (calc at the bowser not by trip comp). Seen as low as 3.1 on a highway trip with lots of road works slowing things down. Spends a surprising amout of time with the petrol engine off.
We’ve been getting 4.5l/100 kms out of our 2020 version month in month out for 2 years now. It’s a fabulous car
The best Toyota Camry available 👌🏻
It will continue to be slow for decades.
That’s the main issue with this car. It feels too similar to drive to a top trim Camry SL Hybrid that can be negotiated to high $40k not $80k.
At this price, people want the kind of engine you get with a 330i, not a Camry hybrid taxi. And long term reliability is more of a concern for everyday buyers holding onto a car for a decade than a leased luxury car. The driving experience matters more then.
Toyota Avalon *** 😉
@@User-cb4jm big diff in $ FROM CAMRY TO ES. not in Canada though, top spec camry 54 k otr ,however , can't get it off the lot , short supply. I bought es top spec hybrid 73 k otr. well worth it for me.
Bmw 330, much faster car but having visited Australia I can tell you one thing, I have never seen a place driving so slow. religiously obeying speed limit. 100- 110 was it. In Ontario speed limit is also 100-110 but 120 130 speed is the norm. having those speed limits I went with es h over 330 and no regrets.
I'm so biased towards Japanese cars and fear anything from Europe. This thinking has helped me to retire early 😪 .
Legend
this thinking has made you waste your life on boring stuff. It is also a very lazy way of thinking. You could have done a bit of research and find plenty of highly reliable euro cars, that offer way more than this prehistoric pieces of engineering.
giving it the berries and still showing 5.5 l/100 km - good stuff
Great value in my country. Comes standard with actual luxury, unlike German "premium" cars. Full power seats, power steering column, leather, sunroof, adaptive cruise etc.
When did you last sit in a German car? Or where are you from?
@@nessuno5403 He means standard equipment. With the German car, if you want to have all options, you have to pay almost the double what you pay for comparable Lexus. Lexus is even better in some cases despite being cheaper, because it has better interior quality and better sound deadening than German cars from the same segment. Even the handling is good, it's no longer as floaty as in older Lexus cars, it's confident enough and only slightly worse than German cars. The only true downside of Lexus is when it comes to overtaking, then CVT has its lag which might be irritating if you don't have much space to overtake. City driving is still quick enough though, because electric motors have enough power at low speeds.
@@cytrynowy_melon6604 I don't fully agree with all you said because, for example, German cars are just as well equipped depending on which market you are from. The Japanese are or were higher quality, but that's debatable nowadays. Dynamically, they have improved a lot, but the Europeans still reign.
@@cytrynowy_melon6604 Lexus doesnt have better interior quality. Those are misconceptions from comparing base german models with cloth seats and glossy plastics with base japanese cars which where indeed better equiped. If your doing a tit for tat comparison, theres simply no comparison. The japanese have never been more silent than the germans, lol. Take any german saloon on an autobahn at 160 kmh or more and compare it to something like a Lexus GS or this ES. Autogeful has done it and theres no comparison. The Lexus are way worse at dampening. Then there is not only the drive quality that sucks at Lexus, the ride quality is nowhere near the Germans either. Once again, an E class damps every road imperfection like a champ at any speed while keeping the car composed and safe. The GS, IS and ES, all have problems at dealing with potholes and ondulated surfaces at above 120kmh. You feel every road vibration on the cabin and seat. This 2 things, drive and ride quality are pretty much the defining factors of luxury, not the leather on the seats, and in both cases the germans stomps the Lexus, which is nowadays the only high end representative of japanese luxury. Infiniti is dead pretty much and Acura are jokes.
I wonder why acceleration is in recent years so important for many ? These cars are not sport cars even if sometimes called so. Why make "performance" narrative for public road cars ? Public road is not Nurburgring
No one wants a car that needs 4k just to keep up with average car doing 2.5k rpm on the freeway
it is the most important thing in a car, especially that price
@@hamzawiblue3157 this is still plenty fast for the road.
I agree. Can we also tell cyclists that roads open to public aren't for tour de France?
@@jasonw98 this 100%. Driving a powerful car in a relaxed and effortless manner is a much better experience than ringing the neck of an underpowered unit just trying to merge.
Watching this video because I never could tell how much sound the car makes from driving it.
It's not based off the Camry, it's based off the Avalon.
CVT, smallish naturally aspirated 4 cylinder, front wheel drive, but as heavy as a Mercedes S class from 20 years ago but is smaller in size, hybrid complexity but still slow to 60 km/h, slow to 100km/h... we have a winner here folks. Run and get these while stocks last. Even if you take away the hybrid and add 10 extra litres of fuel consumption per 100km, it'll cost just AUD 2000 per 10000km/annum.
AUD 2000 extra I meant. Which is probably cheaper in the long term than replacing batteries, etc.
It’s the same engine as on a Camry Hybrid taxi, I don’t know how people settle for a $30k driving experience at $80k - sure it’s wrapped in chrome and glitz, but you’d at least expect effortless quiet acceleration at this price.
@@User-cb4jm Jokes on you, i bought mine used, so i got the 30k driving experience for way less than 30k.
Do you guys know when the gr Corolla will be released in Australia?
First batch is set to arrive during the first quarter of 2023 👍
german cars are good for 3 years then problems start not the same for lexus they just keep going
yeah, lexus is just terrible from the start. Not broken but drives like it is.
Nobody buying an ES is going to care about 0-100 times.
I care
Had it been in the 7s realm, I would have had it by now. But 9s is slow. Its entry of century economy sedan slow...
@@Janfey so hopefully you didn't buy it
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Sooooo slow for a 2.5 lol
@Lexus IS300H way more expensive and still lackluster acceleration we are talking >6 seconds to 100, and acceleration gets worse at higher speeds due to electric propulsion. Other plugins at that price do way better let alone full EVs
@@Sha-Ayo Actually, because of the Power Split Device, Toyota/Lexus Hybrids have their maximum power after 100km/h. They are slow from a start but quite fast at medium to high speeds. It has the same 60-110 acceleration as a Volvo V60 Cross Country 2.0 Turbo with 250hp :) and it is faster than a 2.5 Turbo Mazda CX-5 with a higher trap speed after 402m.
It's not build fot speed,but for a comfortable cruise any given distance..
@@Eugen-E
That is true for all out acceleration but in short spontaneous bursts the hybrid is more nimble because he can shift down quickly and has an additional electrical punch. In daily driving this is a more relevant aspect than those "long" drag races. This is true at low speed especially.
@@dukesim6088 Depends on the country you live in ))
In my country it's more relevant 80-140km/h times than 0-60 or 0-100. And the es300h is great after 80km/h if compared to other 200hp similar sedans.
LOL 80k for a fwd 2.5 I4 camry, whos gonna buy?
It’s fine, but for the same money i can buy an Audi A4 and still get 30-32 mpg, with a much faster car. Lexus needs to drop the 300h and only offer the power train that’s in the NX450h.
Audi a4 feels like a tractor in front of this car's ride quality. ES is built for comfort not for acceleration, if you want acceleration IS 350 is the way to go
@@jagdeepsidhu1 IS350 is still slow.
Not from A4.
The A4 is a smaller car.
The Audi A4 is a compact car
expensive avalon, and i hate FF
This is bad.
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