You cannot just drop the "Taurus as a constellation has been recognised as a Bull for longer than you could even imagine" on me without warning. This is what causes existential crises
if you want a bigger existential crisis, the Pleiades cluster is almost universally known as the 7 sisters, even though we only see 6 stars today. The 7th star stopped being visible 100000 years ago
@@1224chrisng It's also referenced as such in the Epic of Gilgamesh, implying that complex oral traditions (and thus the roots of the Epic in some form) existed that far back. That raises a LOT of questions about exactly how old modern humanity actually is, because while archeological evidence can indicate the general path of evolution, culturally speaking we're almost completely in the dark that far back.
I've never heard about the Makapansgat pebble before, but it's such a human desire. I feel the urge that the person who took it had. "Look at it, it's like me. Hello little person." I feel that self-same urge when I see the stars and there's a shape I recognise, even if it isn't a constellation.
I live by a river where hungry mollusks drill holes through the shells of other mollusks, leaving the shore littered with shells bearing many holes: crude faces whenever three appear together. To me they look like miniature stone masks worn by little shoreline-spirits, and I cannot help but bring them home despite their uselessness
@@sully9767 : ) (cont.) There are shells I find that is so heavily pitted I call them “trypophobia shells.” There is one that is so thick and packed with many partial and completed burrows that (depending on how you turn it) they line up so you can see through different collections which all change shape/expression. I’ve imagined sitting in a cave the fire and turning the stone, casting its many face through its shadow on a painted wall, using it to tell a ghost story
I will never stop being amazed at how the people 10,000+ years ago were also human, had our same fears, wonder and curiosity, thanks for the video, thoroughly enjoyed it!
This was a very interesting take on the dawn of civilization. I just learned about social stratification in sociology so I got excited when you started talking about that haha. The cave painting segment at the end, where you tied it back to the stars, was probably my favorite. I really enjoy your content! Keep up the good work!
Interesting video! Love how you use archæology & anthropological studies as additional tools for world-building. Also, crazy how well-timed this video is! (I've just watched a video on the development of the Zodiac which also discusses about how potentially ancient the constellation of Taurus may be!) Looking forward to your next video.
As mentioned by Tsvi Kalivmaya, it's the most recent video by Overly Sarcastic Productions (Miscellaneous Myths: the Zodiac). Thank you for your video! (^_^)
@@simulanger It must be. I thought of that vid as soon as stars came up. I got a bit distracted with the stones part but the ending bit with the star map cave put me right back in mind of it.
Such a beautiful video! It’s no surprise to me that Taurus was associated with cattle even in prehistory - it marks the start of wild European cattle calving.
Fascinating! I've had the constellations on my mind a lot lately, since watching a video about the Zodiac and thinking about constellations in my worldbuilding project. I find it very interesting that creating constellations is such an old idea; it seems to be very universal (haha, pun intended)!
It would be helpful if you made a video describing the creating process "from within." The link between your title and the concepts given isn't very clear without examples. I think a lot of people would enjoy seeing you explicitly taking that approach to building a world, even if it's just a couple layers of one.
Oh yeah that makes sense, I hadn't even thought of that. The average proper motion of a star is something like 0.1 arcseconds per year, which is imperceptibly slow in our timescales, but meaningful when we're dealing with timescales of tens or hundreds of thousands of years. A proper motion of 0.1 arcseconds per year over ten thousand years is a movement across the sky of about 2.5 degrees, or five times the apparent width of the moon. Barnard's star, with the fastest proper motion, would move 27.5 degrees in that time (the horizon up to the zenith, or directly up, is 90 degrees, so about a third of that). God I kinda wanna calculate this properly for the stars in taurus now to see if this holds water
I'm studying history, but I can't wait to focus on anthropology and get closer to things like these. I love nature and I want to know how early humans felt about it and their relationship to it.
Another cluster of stars with huge significance is the Pleiades Cluster, also known as the Seven Sisters. The fact that they're referenced in several myths, most notably in the Epic of Gilgamesh, has MASSIVE implications, because while they're called the "seven" sisters, only six are currently visible due to stellar drift. The last time the seventh sister was visible to Earth was over **one hundred thousand years ago**. We already know that the Epic is absurdly old, having been passed down orally in various forms for thousands of years before the invention of writing, but this implies the roots of the Epic are even older, by an enormous degree, and raises a lot of questions about exactly how old modern humanity actually is.
Crows and other smart animals can certainly comunicate about dangers that arent there, for example crows can teach other crows to recognice faces of bad humans. Even if they havent seen them before, the new generation will recognize the face and attack it or avoid it. Of course it (probably) isnt to the level of constelation making, or talking about philosophy, but i still think its neat!
Perfect illustration of how geographic location can impact how people see the world 😅 I think the southern hemisphere ones are filtered through even more layers of humanity!
@Incanus Olorin: Taurus is one of the larger constellations & part of the Zodiac, so it crosses the equator. It can be seen in the Southern Hemisphere from late spring and throughout the summer. (Note that it will appear upside down.) Edit: It's near to Orion, which is also visible - just look for the Belt! The Big Dipper (part of Ursa Major), on the other hand, is exclusive to the Northern Hemisphere...
@@psiphyre Yeah, I’ve posted this comment right at the start of the video, when she was talking about the Ursa Major. Fun fact, here in Brazil we call Orion’s belt the Three Marys (Maries?) after the three women who, according to Christian mythology, visited Jesus’ grave. It’s one of the most popular constellations down here, along with the Southern Cross.
@@NakariSpeardane That’s so cool, right?! But I don’t think there is such a thing as more layers of humanity. IMO every culture is just as rich as all the others in it’s unique way. It is pretty cool how we can look at the same skies and see such different things through our layers though. For example, the Guaranis (a native people of Southern Brazil), saw the Orion and Tauros constellations as one single group of stars, known as the Old Man. Anyway, brilliant video as always! This “creating a State” series is very promising and I’m loving it so far.
I hope those books about civilization that you are reading go into the myth of progress and at least present an argument against the Hobbesian world view. I think that any explanation of civilization that relies on talking about it as an "improvement" or a natural evolution is misleading. I also don't think that civilization is about walls or writing. It's about distributing resources to groups of people too large to do so in other ways, and is a consequence of food surpluses. In many ways civilization is a runaway vicious cycle to an original problem of neolithic overpopulation.
Some of them do, though some are more traditional in their views of the state. But yeah, it's not natural development, it's more a series of choices to deal with the consequences of changing population (and walls and writing are kind of a symptom of these). I'm not so interested in the idea of developing states as progress as like, the fact that they developed means they weren't always around/inevitable, and things used to be different, which is interesting when we are in such a state-saturated world. Tbh I'm probably going to change the name of this series at some point soon since the focus has changed quite a bit :P
@@NakariSpeardane :) It is quite the mind-bend, once you realize how recent and ad-hoc states are. We spent most of our time, the vast majority, without them. It's amazing what enculturation can accomplish. It's really a god-tier process.
Woah! Hold up! U just said ONLY humans can convey info about a threat without that threat being present which means u seriously need to go watch videos about crows, ravens, n magpies. Wut u said was blatantly wrong. I normlove ur videos but i haf to gives this one a👎for misinformation. Plesse educate urself on how capable the rest of nature is cuz maybe if humanity stops placing itself above everything else in the world we might actually care enough to save the world from ourselves.
You cannot just drop the "Taurus as a constellation has been recognised as a Bull for longer than you could even imagine" on me without warning. This is what causes existential crises
if you want a bigger existential crisis, the Pleiades cluster is almost universally known as the 7 sisters, even though we only see 6 stars today. The 7th star stopped being visible 100000 years ago
@@1224chrisng
It's also referenced as such in the Epic of Gilgamesh, implying that complex oral traditions (and thus the roots of the Epic in some form) existed that far back.
That raises a LOT of questions about exactly how old modern humanity actually is, because while archeological evidence can indicate the general path of evolution, culturally speaking we're almost completely in the dark that far back.
I've never heard about the Makapansgat pebble before, but it's such a human desire. I feel the urge that the person who took it had. "Look at it, it's like me. Hello little person." I feel that self-same urge when I see the stars and there's a shape I recognise, even if it isn't a constellation.
I live by a river where hungry mollusks drill holes through the shells of other mollusks, leaving the shore littered with shells bearing many holes: crude faces whenever three appear together. To me they look like miniature stone masks worn by little shoreline-spirits, and I cannot help but bring them home despite their uselessness
Yes!! It reminds me of how I once brought a rock home because it had little holes and a bump that made it look like a face with a big nose going :-o
@@AnkhAnanku I feel this in my heart.
@@sully9767 : )
(cont.) There are shells I find that is so heavily pitted I call them “trypophobia shells.” There is one that is so thick and packed with many partial and completed burrows that (depending on how you turn it) they line up so you can see through different collections which all change shape/expression. I’ve imagined sitting in a cave the fire and turning the stone, casting its many face through its shadow on a painted wall, using it to tell a ghost story
I will never stop being amazed at how the people 10,000+ years ago were also human, had our same fears, wonder and curiosity, thanks for the video, thoroughly enjoyed it!
you, are massively underrated and need way more followers. Please know your videos never go un appreciated!
Another informative video from a talented world builder with a soothing voice
This was a very interesting take on the dawn of civilization. I just learned about social stratification in sociology so I got excited when you started talking about that haha. The cave painting segment at the end, where you tied it back to the stars, was probably my favorite. I really enjoy your content! Keep up the good work!
Interesting video!
Love how you use archæology & anthropological studies as additional tools for world-building.
Also, crazy how well-timed this video is!
(I've just watched a video on the development of the Zodiac which also discusses about how potentially ancient the constellation of Taurus may be!)
Looking forward to your next video.
I just watched that too right before this! (The OSP one, yeah?)
Thank you so much! And I'll have to have a look at that video :D
As mentioned by Tsvi Kalivmaya, it's the most recent video by Overly Sarcastic Productions (Miscellaneous Myths: the Zodiac).
Thank you for your video! (^_^)
@@simulanger It must be. I thought of that vid as soon as stars came up. I got a bit distracted with the stones part but the ending bit with the star map cave put me right back in mind of it.
I feel lucky that the "sacrifice fit for a queen" video was randomly recommended to me, your videos are all great!
Such a beautiful video! It’s no surprise to me that Taurus was associated with cattle even in prehistory - it marks the start of wild European cattle calving.
Fascinating! I've had the constellations on my mind a lot lately, since watching a video about the Zodiac and thinking about constellations in my worldbuilding project. I find it very interesting that creating constellations is such an old idea; it seems to be very universal (haha, pun intended)!
It would be helpful if you made a video describing the creating process "from within." The link between your title and the concepts given isn't very clear without examples. I think a lot of people would enjoy seeing you explicitly taking that approach to building a world, even if it's just a couple layers of one.
It makes sense why they don’t line up completely: stars move with time so the positions have shifted, so that theory could definetly be true!
Oh yeah that makes sense, I hadn't even thought of that. The average proper motion of a star is something like 0.1 arcseconds per year, which is imperceptibly slow in our timescales, but meaningful when we're dealing with timescales of tens or hundreds of thousands of years.
A proper motion of 0.1 arcseconds per year over ten thousand years is a movement across the sky of about 2.5 degrees, or five times the apparent width of the moon. Barnard's star, with the fastest proper motion, would move 27.5 degrees in that time (the horizon up to the zenith, or directly up, is 90 degrees, so about a third of that).
God I kinda wanna calculate this properly for the stars in taurus now to see if this holds water
I'm studying history, but I can't wait to focus on anthropology and get closer to things like these. I love nature and I want to know how early humans felt about it and their relationship to it.
i love your videos! this one was really cool, good job.
Interesting video!
Yesss my fav RUclips channel
Fantastic video honestly!
WOAH this is amazing
omg I love your content so much!!!!!
Another cluster of stars with huge significance is the Pleiades Cluster, also known as the Seven Sisters.
The fact that they're referenced in several myths, most notably in the Epic of Gilgamesh, has MASSIVE implications, because while they're called the "seven" sisters, only six are currently visible due to stellar drift.
The last time the seventh sister was visible to Earth was over **one hundred thousand years ago**.
We already know that the Epic is absurdly old, having been passed down orally in various forms for thousands of years before the invention of writing, but this implies the roots of the Epic are even older, by an enormous degree, and raises a lot of questions about exactly how old modern humanity actually is.
Crows and other smart animals can certainly comunicate about dangers that arent there, for example crows can teach other crows to recognice faces of bad humans. Even if they havent seen them before, the new generation will recognize the face and attack it or avoid it.
Of course it (probably) isnt to the level of constelation making, or talking about philosophy, but i still think its neat!
Thank you for this video
I get the feeling that the pebble may have been collected by an child as a toy
was good video :)
Nice
Can someone explain the Irish nationalism one?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starry_Plough_(flag) !
@@NakariSpeardane thank you!
@@masako8980 This was a new one for me, too. Thank you for asking
@@AnkhAnanku no worries
Liked and subbed :)
I don’t see these stars down here haha
Perfect illustration of how geographic location can impact how people see the world 😅 I think the southern hemisphere ones are filtered through even more layers of humanity!
@Incanus Olorin: Taurus is one of the larger constellations & part of the Zodiac, so it crosses the equator. It can be seen in the Southern Hemisphere from late spring and throughout the summer.
(Note that it will appear upside down.)
Edit: It's near to Orion, which is also visible - just look for the Belt!
The Big Dipper (part of Ursa Major), on the other hand, is exclusive to the Northern Hemisphere...
@@psiphyre Yeah, I’ve posted this comment right at the start of the video, when she was talking about the Ursa Major.
Fun fact, here in Brazil we call Orion’s belt the Three Marys (Maries?) after the three women who, according to Christian mythology, visited Jesus’ grave. It’s one of the most popular constellations down here, along with the Southern Cross.
@@NakariSpeardane That’s so cool, right?! But I don’t think there is such a thing as more layers of humanity. IMO every culture is just as rich as all the others in it’s unique way.
It is pretty cool how we can look at the same skies and see such different things through our layers though. For example, the Guaranis (a native people of Southern Brazil), saw the Orion and Tauros constellations as one single group of stars, known as the Old Man.
Anyway, brilliant video as always! This “creating a State” series is very promising and I’m loving it so far.
@@incanusolorin2607 The Southern Cross (Crux Australis): the "Ursa Major" of the Southern Hemisphere! :D
(^_')=b
I hope those books about civilization that you are reading go into the myth of progress and at least present an argument against the Hobbesian world view. I think that any explanation of civilization that relies on talking about it as an "improvement" or a natural evolution is misleading. I also don't think that civilization is about walls or writing. It's about distributing resources to groups of people too large to do so in other ways, and is a consequence of food surpluses. In many ways civilization is a runaway vicious cycle to an original problem of neolithic overpopulation.
Some of them do, though some are more traditional in their views of the state. But yeah, it's not natural development, it's more a series of choices to deal with the consequences of changing population (and walls and writing are kind of a symptom of these). I'm not so interested in the idea of developing states as progress as like, the fact that they developed means they weren't always around/inevitable, and things used to be different, which is interesting when we are in such a state-saturated world. Tbh I'm probably going to change the name of this series at some point soon since the focus has changed quite a bit :P
@@NakariSpeardane :) It is quite the mind-bend, once you realize how recent and ad-hoc states are. We spent most of our time, the vast majority, without them. It's amazing what enculturation can accomplish. It's really a god-tier process.
Woah! Hold up! U just said ONLY humans can convey info about a threat without that threat being present which means u seriously need to go watch videos about crows, ravens, n magpies. Wut u said was blatantly wrong. I normlove ur videos but i haf to gives this one a👎for misinformation. Plesse educate urself on how capable the rest of nature is cuz maybe if humanity stops placing itself above everything else in the world we might actually care enough to save the world from ourselves.