It’s amazing and you can also see the tricks the animators used to lighten the load slightly. If you look at the extended shots you can quit easily see loops and shots are even reversed, but they definitely knew what they were doing.
@@michaeldougherty6036 They're not in heaven they're in Limbo, you think heaven is just sitting on a cloud in the sky doing nothing forever next to people you hate?
@@ViolentRainbowWhile I'm inclined to agree with your sentiment the novelty song this is based on outright says it. Thought only about Grandpa Coy Oh, the Martins and the Coys, They was reckless mountain boys, And old Grandpa Coy has gone where angels live. When they found him on the mountain He was bleedin' like a fountain, For they punctured him till he looked like a sieve.
How tf the girl can dance with them heels on 💀 But for real, this is a masterpiece. I miss this old style of Disney animation. So lively and expressive.
The real answer is that heels used to be more curved inwards, towards where your center of balance would normally be, while modern straight heels push your center of balance forwards. Historical heels also tend to cover a lot more of the foot, which means you're not relying on a narrow sliver of material all around the base of the foot to keep it on and supported. People did hard labor in historical heels, but since modern heels are more for formal wear, most practicality has gone out the window
I absolutely remember seeing this on public TV when I was a kid over thirty years ago. So I guess at some point back then it wasn't considered bad for children. I never saw a problem with it.
It’s a great cartoon, but it wasn’t the current generation that saw it as problematic. you must have saw it when it was shown on quack attack on Toon Disney where the target audience was aimed towards adult viewers in the early morning and around midnight when it was shown. So even for the eighties and nineties, it still wasn’t really targeted towards younger audiences. Parents in the eighties and nineties were at a breaking point for underage drinking and it was the start of a rise in gun violence in the nation. Also that domestic violence part is pretty bad even though we could count it as dark humor by todays standards.
I baffled that there's any human being who could look at this and think it doesn't deserve to be seen or preserved. To think that someone can think thisis something worth of censorship is ridiculous.
They removed it shortly after Columbine, a mass high school shooting where 12 students and 1 teacher lost their lives. It was the united states deadliest mass shooting at a high school until Parkland in 2018. Pulling a kids cartoon where a bunch of people are shot to death right after a bunch of teens (who most likely had young siblings who watch cartoons) were shot to death in a crowded high-school (with more teens who knew someone that was killed/effected by the day's events with younger siblings) was a pretty good move imho.
Well. Moonshine is illegal Corn Liquor. An un aged and powerful pre-whiskey. Usually uncolored. Legal "moonshine" you can try is called Ever Clear. Not as powerful. LOL😂 'Home brewed' is usually called just that. Or 'Bathtub'. As In Gin.
yes. lotta slang terms used in illegal liquor production. mountain dew is an olde term for moonshine that is itself referencing back to irish culture, not used much anymore and is now a soda brand. moonshine is a generic term for bootleg distilled liquors such as corn liquor or whiskey etc, with more specific terms such as "White lightning" for a clear corn liquor similar to everclear, for example. regional slang variations abound, but everyone knows what you mean when you say moonshine, no matter where you are.
As an aside, the soda mountain dew was made as a mixer by some moonshiners with access to a soda fountain. Eventually a pharmacist driving through tried it, bought the recipe off of them and was eventualky bought out by pepsico
For as much as I love this cartoon, I wish it ended more like this: -Grace and Henry end up having at least two children, with one taking more after their dad's side of the family and the other taking more after their mom's side. -The kids fight with each other similar to how their ancestors did, but not quite as intense (and also in a more "sibling rivalry" sort of way, especially if they happen to be close in age). -Grace and Henry, who still argue quite a bit (but in a more "old married couple" sort of way), do their best to try and break up their kids' fighting.
I’m descended from Mccoys on my mother’s side (and my ancestor apparently left to get away from the historic feud, or so I was told). My mom’s best friend and my godmother’s maiden name was literally Hatfield also.
You too? Was watching this as weird for you as it was for me? My grandfather was descended from the Hatfields and my grandmother (his wife) was descended from the McCoys.
@@girlykyuu1185 I animated when I was in school. Nothing easy about it. Same principles apply. Limited animation has all but eliminated the art that was early animation.
This was the golden age of animation! Yes it had "taboo" references in it, but it was entertainment meant to tell it how it was in a humorous way. Our society has censored so much media, it forgets about the reality that sparked this idea in the first place. History is bound to repeat itself.
I can't put my finger on why but I find this ending wholesome instead of horrific. Maybe it's because Henry's face when running back to the house is determined instead of angry, or the nice and clearly maintained and cared-for house compared to their family's run-down shacks at the start. Once you add the cartoon physics and inability to really hurt the other, it just looks like this is their really strange love language.
You make good points. I would add that I think it's because they're both giving as good as they get. I was worried that the guy, being twice the girl's size, would absolutely flatten her, but the torrent of household items she hurled at him was impressive. Also while their ancestors killed each other, they're just roughing each other up. Also they're staying together, while they could have abandonned or killed each other. Also there are no children involved. That's cool.
@@voidempty1125 Hopefully a REAL couple from two feuding families would put aside the "old ways". But yeah, that scene of domestic "bliss" at the end is freakin' HILARIOUS.
I love and remember this old cartoon. Oddly enough, I’ve known some families who have held feuds for generations. One or two of them lasted since the Dark Ages and only not too recently ended because they couldn’t even remember what started it in the first place.
But this is the norm with these things. It's the problem with private justice. It's just revenge killing after revenge killing to avenge the last revenge killing, in a neverending cycle.
@@davidsenra2495 Revenge killing was the norm at a time when every small transgression was punished with death. This Voldemortian notion is what really drove it.
@@ladymacbethofmtensk896I'm not familiar with that notion and haven't been able to find anything online, would you be able to point me in the right direction or offer a brief explanation? I am very curious!
@@josephbilderback4549 In Harry Potter, the villain Voldemort believes that death is the worst thing in the universe and spends the entire story trying to avoid it entirely. And on the flip side, he considers killing someone to be the ultimate punishment for whatever sin they may be perceived as having committed. Contrast the idea that when you kill your enemy, your enemy is dead, and that's that. One would want that enemy to have suffered in the process.
@alexisgrunden1556 Yeah, but you forget that women have been getting 'lefts' long before they got rights. Seriously, all this talk about equal rights equal fights ain't fully accurate when you go back in time.
@@honestgenz4413 I'm well aware of the _lengthy_ history of battered and abused women through the ages; I'm talking about when it's deserved. Like how men aren't 'supposed' to hit back, not even if a woman is the one abusing them. That's what I mean.
I've never seen the movie this is from, but that was a funny little story. The humor and animation from that time was so charming and silly. It's a real shame to hear they are editing things like this out.
They removed it shortly after Columbine, a mass high school shooting where 12 students and 1 teacher lost their lives. It was the united states deadliest mass shooting at a high school until Parkland in 2018. Pulling a kids cartoon where a bunch of people are shot to death right after a bunch teens (who most likely had young siblings) were shot to death in a crowded high-school (with more teens who knew someone that was killed/effected by the day's events with younger siblings) was a pretty good move imho.
@@LiArtful he means: After the columbine shooting, this cartoon and several others (go and ask willy e. coyote) are seen "toxo-blematic" by modern audiences because..."deeerp geerp guns r eeevil" discourse. so since the late 90's, cartoons with guns from the past have been heavily censored if not REMOVED from public showing (he missed the date btw lol, 2018? HAHAHA nope)
this is based on the Hatfield and McCoy feud, a real blood feud between two appalachian "Hillbilly" families. appalachia for whatever reason was where a lot of scottish and Scots-irish immigrants settled, and historically is known for things that are more scottish/irish stereotypes or similiar to them. fiddle music, homemade whiskey, excessive alcoholism, small rural mountain communities with large interconnected families. the area was right on the dividing line between north and south during the civil war and so the union versus confederate animus was also in play(Hatfields and McCoys were sympathizers for opposite sides if i recall). talking about stereotype and superstition, this area is known for tall tales about encounters with "Hill folk", feral cannibalistic hillbillies living in the deep woods and attacking/stalking campers/hikers etc. Isn't there a myth about a Scottish Clan that was famous for a mass cannibalism incident in like the 1400s? My point is you're probly right, the genetics of the area are scots-irish historically, the culture has a lot of holdover practices and themes, and the civil war animosity probly serves as a surrogate for what i ignorantly and blindly assume is scottish war of independence animosity in the scottish clans.
You’ll be happy and unsurprised to hear that Appalachian culture in the US is almost exclusively Scottish in origin. Who else did you think could have invented Bourbon Whiskey? I think it’s very funny that Scotland’s only rival in the whiskey world… are Scots
There is an episode of My little pony Friendship is magic, called "The Hooffields and the McColts" and it too is about two families iliving on two cartoonishly opposed hills, hating each other.
@@kevinlane1219 How if you base your marriage around thinking that someone is attractive rather than working out issues, especially long-standing issues between your families, you're doomed to an unhappy marriage, and to repeat the mistakes your families made.
It should have been put on a collection for “adult collectors,” just like Warner had successfully branded its uncensored cartoons for decades. Disney is the only company which continues treating full-grown adults like babies. They claim it’s for brand integrity, but their movies and theme parks aren’t nearly as good as they used to be, so they can’t worry about integrity too much.
Thats cause their cartoons were not for adults knucklhead... Think about it lol Your trying to trash Disney for not making cartoons for adults when their whole target audience was children. They arent "Treating full grown adults like babies" because their shorts and cartoons were never meant for adults. So why would they need to make an "Adult collectors" edition. You really trying to throw shade for nothing my dude lmao. If you dont like it, thats a personal problem. Go watch something else then, there is a plethora of adult oriented cartoons for you to watch. Disney is not obligated to make shit just cause you complain about it.
I'm at a loss at why Disney deleted this sequence for the US video releases... I have a few guesses, but none seem strong enough to warrant the erasure, unlike, say, the racism during the Pastorale sequence in Fantasia (though I still prefer the Warner Brothers method of using disclaimers for the serious collections, and releasing edited versions of their shorts in collections aimed at children). I forgot to say that maybe the reason I don't see the issue is because I'm not American.
Truth be told, this was a victim of the politically correct Eisner regime and attitudes toward gun violence, much like the digital erasure of cigarettes in the Pecos Bill segment of Melody Time. That one has since been rectified, but curiously, this one hasn’t.
@@GundarkHunter Which is a shame, because it could be said that, at least for a while, it shows the futility of gun violence, since most of both families die because of it.
As an American, it's probably the all the gun violence, death, and heavily implied domestic abuse at the end. Hill Billy stereotypes aren't really considered problematic in modern American media. The Hatfield and McCoy family was parodied as recently as a 2015 episode of My Little Pony without any negative feedback.
To be honest, I think Blue Bayou is a superior opening to Make Mine Music than The Martins and the Coys. The audiences who saw the original cut of the film where this segment played first must have had the biggest whiplash when they went from the film’s most chaotic and violent segment to the the film’s most tranquil and beautifully animated segment (Blue Bayou was originally animated for Fantasia with the Debussy piece Clair de Lune, but was cut for timing).
It's strange I got the 2002 DVD release of make my music and you can clearly hear a cut in the audio where after it gives opening credit It just skips over this segment that's actually the very first segment and just go straight to the Blue Danube. Honestly, why don't they just simply put the segment cut out version on Disney Plus? Better to have nine out of 10 segments than absolutely no movie at all
@@guytorie Same here; the idea of having both parties be dead, the two last remaining survivors being left, and the two getting married to bury the hatchet... ONLY FOR THEM TO CONTINUE ON WITH A FEUD THAT'S AS DEAD AS A HORSE SO THAT THE ALREADY DEAD PEOPLE WOULD BE HAPPY ABOUT THE FEUD TO CONTINUE... Yeah, it's no wonder this segment got cut; terrible story, terrible implications, terrible moral. Not worth being in the collection.
They had strong women back then too. It's not easy to start one of those cars up, she jumped into the car while it was moving and she threw him out of the house and was definitely winning that fight.
Starting a hand cranked car was a tooth losing proposition. I nearly broke my leg cranking a Model H Massey Harris tractor, and my cousins uncle lost his shirt to a hand-cranked hay baler. A totally dangerous occupation.
Thanks for resurrecting this lost sequence. What a shame so many historical gems of animation have been expunged from public viewing and enjoyment because of misguided censorship
There is a lot of alcohol in this 😂, and lots of people died. Also it’s Disneys right to distribute their property how they feel fit Any law restricting that would actually cebsorshl
I had a VHS tape with this segment included. My mom recorded it off the disney channel sometime in the late 80's. I'm surprised to hear it was taken off the dvd release. I love wartime-era Disney's dancing animations. They go so nuts with it!
I assume it's the guns/death that got it cut, which is a shame. Just add a disclaimer or something. People should understand that 1946 was a different era.
It might had been the depiction of alcohol, or domestic abuse too. Possibly a negative depiction of the Appalachian folks and culture too. A lot of this stuff didn't get censored because anyone actually felt insulted by it, but marked a lot of check boxes to just not make the cut, and didn't bother with a nuance look at it.
This sequence was given a homage in, of all things, My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic. In the episode "Hooffields and McColts" we see two clans feuding in the same way (PGified of course, they throw rotten fruit at each other) and the valley with the two hills the clans live on looks almost exactly the same as in this sequence. Being My Little Pony, things don't develop the same way as in this, but the art style and several characters have been mimicked very closely in the animation.
It’s all based on the actual historical feud of the Hatfields and McCoys. But you’re right that a lot of the visuals in this are clearly emulated in that MLP episode, though the resolution is obviously different 😅
For anyone wondering, this was shown in movie theaters as either a precursor to a double feature - or the in-between while you went to get popcorn, etc. At that time (& depending on where you lived), for .05¢ + you began with a newsreel then a movie followed by an intermission cartoon and another movie usually a serial reel (Adventures of -----). By the time i was a kid, it was .25¢-.50¢ and you got a double feature with the cartoon. You went in at ~1 & got out around 4pm. Snacks were extra. About $1-$1.50 for popcorn, candy bar OR ice cream, and a soda (bottle of pop or 8oz cup). Hotdogs available as well in higher tone places. Oh, the $1-1.50? Yeah that was candy, soda pop, & popcorn all together.😊
No, this wasn't a stand alone short film, this was a segment from a feature film called Make Mine Music, in which every story featured some sort of song or poem, hence the movie's title. During this time, for budget reasons, Disney was making exclusively anthology movies, before the success of Cinderella allowed them to go back into films telling a single story.
I remember the Pecos Bill and Johnny Appleseed cartoons, I didn't know they were Disney. This is the kinda stuff that needs preserved somewhere. I wonder if the Smithsonian has this stuff buried in reels of 8mm somewhere forgotten. Like the Lomax or Asch collections.
Disney has preserved most of its films very well. Up until recently, you could buy restored blu rays of the uncensored Melody Time online. Sadly, Make Mine Music is still missing The Martins and the Coys. But all the source material still exists.
Excuse me, mr. song's lyrics, sir... she's pretty, I give you that... but he's far from handsome. ... I don't know how I still remember this cartoon from my childhood. Didn't recall it was sung, anyway.
I can never understand why these dumb fights start and never tried to talk it out like sane people. I know for a fact that I'll always try my hardest to avoid fights, unless it's to protect another.
Thank you for posting this. That square dancing scene was amazing. All the calls sounded real, and each part of the dance looked authentic. (The censorship is ridiculous and unfortunate.)
I found the Martins and the coys 😊 The Martins and the coys "The Martins and the coys" is a 1936 american novelty song created by Ted weems and al Cameron. The lyrics are based on folklore about 2 feuding families, the hatfields and the mccoys. The song was adapterd into 1946 animated anthology produced by Walt disney, titled make mine music. The film's first segment is based on the song, with the disney version performed by the king's men quartet. The animation drew genernal criticism, with the Martins and the coys segment receiving the most criticism due to it's stereotypical definition of hillbilies. Walt disney is so genius😁👍
Yeah I might had learned bout it on time squad first I mean wut does feuding narrowing minded country folk or hillbillies have to do wit history ? N I kinda failed understanding the spoof on the Flintstones
To anyone questioning why this was pulled: Columbine happened. For those non american: "The Columbine massacre was the deadliest mass shooting at a high school in U.S. history, until it was surpassed by the Parkland high school shooting in February 2018. Columbine still remains the deadliest mass shooting to occur in the U.S. state of Colorado."
There's been loads of mass shootings. Agreed its horrible but not related. Unless it was supposed to be re- released around the time of a high profile shooting.
It didn’t portrait the values of American society of the era the media was highly censored at that time but at the same time this was intent to be for adult not for kids
from what I can tell, this was removed for the casual gun violence and possibly the humorous depiction of domestic violence. Definitely a cultural relic in that regard, but not sure it was worth removing.
Lol it was fine until the domestic fight at the end, they could have just ended it after the marriage sequence instead of removing the short altogether.
A dedicated armchair restorer could tackle this a little better, I'm thinking. Assuming it's a standard 25fps PAL DVD, that can be QTGMCed just fine. Otherwise, complete frames of the 24fps presentation could still be worked from the source material-I've tackled similar projects before. And nowadays I'd probably give the whole thing an appropriate AI pass or two, to remove compression artifacts and raise the detail up from its DVD origins.
The footage comes from interlaced PAL video from an NTSC source with ghosting and combing artifacts built-in. The source was the region 2 PAL DVD from Denmark.
@@ChuckPenn3 I've dealt with cases like that before, yes. First stage QTGMC. Second stage, identify the cadence of ghosting and drop those frames (which will not be most or even half) with e.g. After Effects. There are likely to be changes in cadence at certain spots through the video. I'm not at all saying this is a terrifically automated process, but if this really is the best we're going to get, then at least one has the peace of mind of knowing that it's not a waste of effort.
I swear I saw this as a kid. IT LOOKS SO FAMILIAr...must have been on some channel that maybe got a version from elsewhere put on some late night tv show or something. Whom knows, its been so long lol Manyt hanks for the upload ^
Awe man that's a good one. I remember seeing that when I was really young. It was reruns but it was all new to me. It took me a minute but I remembered that this cartoon is how I learned about the Hatfields and McCoy's feud. After seeing this as a preschooler my mom told me a brief history about the real feud so whenever I hear something about it pieces of this cartoon is what I think of even though I'd all but forgotten about the cartoon.
They removed it shortly after Columbine, a mass high school shooting where 12 students and 1 teacher lost their lives. It was the united states deadliest mass shooting at a high school until Parkland in 2018.
I was surprised to learn that there was a cut story from Make Mine Music, a movie which I watched a lot as a child, albeit the American home release version.
If I had to guess why Disney truncated this short, I would say it's the domestic abuse scene at the end. That's easily the most offensive part. It's a thematically fitting end to the short but I can see it cutting too close to home for many people.
Okay, as someone who is actually half blood McCoy, and who is actually related to one of the last living McCoy men in my family, I gotta say this is hilarious. For anyone wondering about how it actually all started, I'll tell ya bc it never actually started with the Hog. That's part of the reason, but not how it started. Randolph "Ole Ran'l" McCoy & William Anderson "Devil Anse" Hatfield were actually buddies once upon a time. They both joined the army and set of to war together during the American Civil War. Well, William ran away on the battle field and left Randolph, my great great (Maybe 3 great) Grandfather to fight alone, which labeled William as a coward. Well Randolph came back from war a changed and angred man, he was hell bint being angry at William for running away. Well, both boys got married and had their own families, and had let their hogs that they tagged be left off in the mountains until it was close to winter. Well, William, being an idiot, took a McCoy hog and wouldn't give it back. Now the book the Coffin Quilt, is an actual quilt the women (Wives of both William and Randoph) would make whenever one of their children were born. They would be put on a life quilt and once dead, would be moved to the death quilt, almost like a family tree. Well, the families would burn each other's houses down, kill each other, and would kill and burn anyone else's homes who wouldn't side with either one. Well, Johnson (“Johnse”) Hatfield and Rose Anna McCoy fell in love and had gotten married, even had a daughter together, who later died as an infant. Randoph threw Rose outta the house once learning about them both being together, he, basically yeeted her out of the family. The Hatfields took her into their home and basically accepted her surprisingly. Well, later on Rose died and the rest of the McCoys and Hatfeilds had killed off a lot of each other's sons and daughters until both sides were very little in their families. Now, this is all I can remember currently about the fued, but it basically was awful and just overall stupid in my opinion. And no I don't know any Hatfeilds, and no, I'm not lying about this. This is all the truth and nothing but the truth, and may the lord and or gods strike me down today when I post this and am lying about it. Hope this clears some things up about that old hog situation! 😅
Post-Marraige Square Dance Promenade across the floor! Sashay right on out the door! Out the door and into the glade, And everybody promenade! Step right up! You're doing fine. I'll pull your hair! You pull mine! Yank it again like you did before! Break it up with a tug o'war! Now into the brook and fish for the trout! Dive right in and splash about! Trout, trout, pretty little trout - One more splash and come right out! Shake like a hound dog! Shake again! Wallow around in the ol' pig pen! Wallow some more! You all know how. Roll around like an ol' fat sow! Allemande left with your left hand! Follow through with a right-left grand! Now leave your partner, the dirty ol' thing! Follow through with an elbow swing! Grab a fence post! Hold it tight! Whomp your partner with all your might! Hit him in the shin! Hit him in the head! Hit him again! That critter ain't dead. Whomp him low and whomp him high! Stick your finger in his eye! Pretty little rhythm, pretty little sound - Bang your heads against the ground! Promenade all around the room! Promenade like a bride and groom! Open up the door and step right in! Close the door and into a spin! Whirl, whirl, twist and twirl - Jump all round like a flying squirrel! Now don't you cuss and don't you swear! Just come right out and form a square! Now right hand over and left hand under, Both join hands and run like thunder! Over the hill and over the dale - Duck your head and lift your tail! Don't you stray and don't you roam Turn around and promenade home Corn in the crib pen, wheat in the sack! Turn your partner and promenade back! And now you're home. Bow to your partner. Bow to the gent across the hall. And that is all!
Apparently "don't play with guns or you'll end up dead" is too subtle of a message for Disney. (Then again, this is the same company that decided to get rid of Splash Mountain for tenues connections to an inoffensive movie)
Soooo...it was censored because they didn't think private citizens shooting at each other to resolve petty disputes was something they should be shamed over?
@@angelcat2865 I love the south but many of you guys still have a chip on your shoulder from the civil war. The north has forgotten about it it's time you guys did as well.
@ScottCleve33 Um you do realize the media has been using it against us southerners for the last several years now right? Where do you think all "victimized" black people in the media comes from? We're just as happy to put the past behind us as anybody. The media is the one that won't let it go. Or do you even watch the media?
I could swear I saw this on TNT when they had a two hour block of Looney Tunes and other similar cartoons in the early evening during the 1980s. There were many "banned" cartoons-- ones with war themes and H etler, etc, that were shown during that block.
If You Really Think About It The Martin's Amd The Coys Is The Precursor To The Canceled My Peoples/Once in a Blue Moon/ Elgin's Peoples/Angel and Her No Good Sister/A Few Good Ghosts
"...from the time when guns was long..." Nice touch. The dance caller seems to be a character lifted directly from Walter Brennan's in the hugely popular film "Sergeant York" which had appeared just 5 years before this.
@@sephoramandondo2548 You would think white conservative rednecks killing white conservative rednecks would be considered high moral values in todays climate.
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Animators went hard on that dancing scene. SOOO much effort for such a short scene!
Each character was unique I was amazed after the xerox copies (except grandpa) of the coys and the martins
Those boys knew what they were doing
If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right.
That was Walt’s expectation of excellence. Shame that more people don’t share it.
At least some of the animation was reused for the Legend of Sleepy Hallow.
It’s amazing and you can also see the tricks the animators used to lighten the load slightly. If you look at the extended shots you can quit easily see loops and shots are even reversed, but they definitely knew what they were doing.
The ghosts of the ancestors being so profoundly disappointed that their descendants fell in love is one of the funniest things I've ever seen XD
Or that any of those murdering idiots went to heaven. Let alone were actively rooting for further pointless murder from heaven.
I suppose ya don't get out much.
@@michaeldougherty6036 They're not in heaven they're in Limbo, you think heaven is just sitting on a cloud in the sky doing nothing forever next to people you hate?
@@ViolentRainbowWhile I'm inclined to agree with your sentiment the novelty song this is based on outright says it. Thought only about Grandpa Coy
Oh, the Martins and the Coys,
They was reckless mountain boys,
And old Grandpa Coy has gone where angels live.
When they found him on the mountain
He was bleedin' like a fountain,
For they punctured him till he looked like a sieve.
Similar to the ancestor scene in Mulan., "No! Your great-granddaughter had to be a cross-dresser!"
"Aww you two are such a cute couple! So how did you two meet?"
"Our families murdered each other!"
“And we tried to finish the job!”
Ran out of cousins in the blood feud
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
No in-laws. It’s win-win.
This short was inspired by a real-life feud between the Hatfields and McCoys...with a little bit of Romeo and Juliet thrown in.
Did anybody else see the HBO miniseries!?
@@harkonnen1879I remembered that show
Wasn’t it over a pig?
@@masonpyle5929 yes
Not to mention Al Capp’s Lil’ Abner comic strip.
It's Romeo and Juliet, but in reverse. Instead of the lovers dying, everyone else dies.
Also based on a real feud that happened in the US
Serious!? Say for me THE history!!!@@PyroGothNerd
@@CANDY-DIAMOND694 The Hatfields and McCoys. Very bloody. But interesting
And they also live but just to have marital fights every day. XD
To be fair, Several other people died in Romeo & Juliet.
How tf the girl can dance with them heels on 💀
But for real, this is a masterpiece. I miss this old style of Disney animation. So lively and expressive.
The real answer is that heels used to be more curved inwards, towards where your center of balance would normally be, while modern straight heels push your center of balance forwards. Historical heels also tend to cover a lot more of the foot, which means you're not relying on a narrow sliver of material all around the base of the foot to keep it on and supported. People did hard labor in historical heels, but since modern heels are more for formal wear, most practicality has gone out the window
Me too, fuck the live action remakes
@@amethyst_cat9532Short answer. They don't make em like they use to.😄
yes, expressive and full of life
Always liked the animation..stories were almost superfluous. Thanks !
I absolutely remember seeing this on public TV when I was a kid over thirty years ago. So I guess at some point back then it wasn't considered bad for children. I never saw a problem with it.
It’s a great cartoon, but it wasn’t the current generation that saw it as problematic. you must have saw it when it was shown on quack attack on Toon Disney where the target audience was aimed towards adult viewers in the early morning and around midnight when it was shown. So even for the eighties and nineties, it still wasn’t really targeted towards younger audiences. Parents in the eighties and nineties were at a breaking point for underage drinking and it was the start of a rise in gun violence in the nation. Also that domestic violence part is pretty bad even though we could count it as dark humor by todays standards.
I say it on KCAL Kids about 1992.
I wonder what these activists would think if someone animated Balakirev's "Tamara?"
@@ladymacbethofmtensk896 Me too, oh my God!
I think it's referencing the "Hatfields vs. Mccoys".
I baffled that there's any human being who could look at this and think it doesn't deserve to be seen or preserved. To think that someone can think thisis something worth of censorship is ridiculous.
I mean, the girl is fine as hell so yeah
They removed it shortly after Columbine, a mass high school shooting where 12 students and 1 teacher lost their lives. It was the united states deadliest mass shooting at a high school until Parkland in 2018.
Pulling a kids cartoon where a bunch of people are shot to death right after a bunch of teens (who most likely had young siblings who watch cartoons) were shot to death in a crowded high-school (with more teens who knew someone that was killed/effected by the day's events with younger siblings) was a pretty good move imho.
@@SatanRompsYeah it really put a stop to those school shootings huh
@@SatanRompsthey showed this in the 90s. I remember the full version as a kid.
You need to keep in mind that Disney is now gay
So... "mountain dew" is a euphemism for "moonshine," which is a euphemism for homemade alcoholic beverages?
Dew from the mountain....no shit moron
Well. Moonshine is illegal Corn Liquor. An un aged and powerful pre-whiskey. Usually uncolored. Legal "moonshine" you can try is called Ever Clear. Not as powerful. LOL😂 'Home brewed' is usually called just that. Or 'Bathtub'. As In Gin.
yes. lotta slang terms used in illegal liquor production. mountain dew is an olde term for moonshine that is itself referencing back to irish culture, not used much anymore and is now a soda brand. moonshine is a generic term for bootleg distilled liquors such as corn liquor or whiskey etc, with more specific terms such as "White lightning" for a clear corn liquor similar to everclear, for example. regional slang variations abound, but everyone knows what you mean when you say moonshine, no matter where you are.
Clearly had jus heard of a "witche's brew" but wasn't til recent looney tunes witch hazel started going about it so that ain't now
As an aside, the soda mountain dew was made as a mixer by some moonshiners with access to a soda fountain. Eventually a pharmacist driving through tried it, bought the recipe off of them and was eventualky bought out by pepsico
For as much as I love this cartoon, I wish it ended more like this:
-Grace and Henry end up having at least two children, with one taking more after their dad's side of the family and the other taking more after their mom's side.
-The kids fight with each other similar to how their ancestors did, but not quite as intense (and also in a more "sibling rivalry" sort of way, especially if they happen to be close in age).
-Grace and Henry, who still argue quite a bit (but in a more "old married couple" sort of way), do their best to try and break up their kids' fighting.
That would’ve been a better ending 😊🙌🙌🙌
I love how the happy ending is mutual domestic abuse 😂
It's the making-up that guarantees those large Appalachian families...
Love is strange
Well they were taught to solve their problems with violence and so they did
I don't think its meant to be a happy ending, but rather satirical, and funny because of the punchline.
@@Sokolva A literal punchline in this case.
Never would have expected to see the "sun shines through a dress showing her legs" thing in a Disney cartoon but here we are
Pre Hayes Code Betty Boop Cartoons Are Famous for Showing Betty Boop's Fabulous Legs & Voluptuous Figure.
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well they did get married, and there is no better way to hate each other
I’m descended from Mccoys on my mother’s side (and my ancestor apparently left to get away from the historic feud, or so I was told). My mom’s best friend and my godmother’s maiden name was literally Hatfield also.
You too? Was watching this as weird for you as it was for me? My grandfather was descended from the Hatfields and my grandmother (his wife) was descended from the McCoys.
Same. Both Hatfields and McCoys
This cartoon doesn't encourage violence, it just makes fun of it, people doing stupid things to one another deserves ridicule.
@@christinetassone3156the story was real! 😮✨
@@christinetassone3156 That must be very awkward.
Animators knew their craft back then. Above any today. Pencil, paper, imagination. And talent.
And time. A lot of time.
Are you an animator? If not, you dont know what youre talking about.
@@girlykyuu1185 I animated when I was in school. Nothing easy about it. Same principles apply. Limited animation has all but eliminated the art that was early animation.
Today it's woke, progressism and lots of wasted money.
@popeyand thejeep yes indeed, I most certainly do agree with u, but the so-called cartoons of today are not very good at all whatsoever 😢😢
This was the golden age of animation! Yes it had "taboo" references in it, but it was entertainment meant to tell it how it was in a humorous way. Our society has censored so much media, it forgets about the reality that sparked this idea in the first place. History is bound to repeat itself.
No wonder why a comedian called José Muleiro once said that you can't make humour without annoying someone.
@@pabloignacioscaletta So true!
I can't put my finger on why but I find this ending wholesome instead of horrific.
Maybe it's because Henry's face when running back to the house is determined instead of angry, or the nice and clearly maintained and cared-for house compared to their family's run-down shacks at the start.
Once you add the cartoon physics and inability to really hurt the other, it just looks like this is their really strange love language.
You make good points. I would add that I think it's because they're both giving as good as they get. I was worried that the guy, being twice the girl's size, would absolutely flatten her, but the torrent of household items she hurled at him was impressive. Also while their ancestors killed each other, they're just roughing each other up. Also they're staying together, while they could have abandonned or killed each other. Also there are no children involved. That's cool.
@@voidempty1125 Hopefully a REAL couple from two feuding families would put aside the "old ways". But yeah, that scene of domestic "bliss" at the end is freakin' HILARIOUS.
Abuse is their love language...what a great lesson /s
I mean, these kinds of comments are proof that these shorts could cause some harm to children growing up.
I love and remember this old cartoon. Oddly enough, I’ve known some families who have held feuds for generations. One or two of them lasted since the Dark Ages and only not too recently ended because they couldn’t even remember what started it in the first place.
That sounds like Colomba to me. A tale of Corsica from the author of Carmen.
But this is the norm with these things. It's the problem with private justice. It's just revenge killing after revenge killing to avenge the last revenge killing, in a neverending cycle.
@@davidsenra2495 Revenge killing was the norm at a time when every small transgression was punished with death. This Voldemortian notion is what really drove it.
@@ladymacbethofmtensk896I'm not familiar with that notion and haven't been able to find anything online, would you be able to point me in the right direction or offer a brief explanation? I am very curious!
@@josephbilderback4549 In Harry Potter, the villain Voldemort believes that death is the worst thing in the universe and spends the entire story trying to avoid it entirely. And on the flip side, he considers killing someone to be the ultimate punishment for whatever sin they may be perceived as having committed.
Contrast the idea that when you kill your enemy, your enemy is dead, and that's that. One would want that enemy to have suffered in the process.
Damn, Disney really said ‘equal rights, equal fights’
Hell. Yes.
That's the beauty of true equality; we women deserve equal rights...and lefts.
@alexisgrunden1556 Yeah, but you forget that women have been getting 'lefts' long before they got rights. Seriously, all this talk about equal rights equal fights ain't fully accurate when you go back in time.
@@honestgenz4413 I'm well aware of the _lengthy_ history of battered and abused women through the ages; I'm talking about when it's deserved. Like how men aren't 'supposed' to hit back, not even if a woman is the one abusing them. That's what I mean.
I've never seen the movie this is from, but that was a funny little story. The humor and animation from that time was so charming and silly. It's a real shame to hear they are editing things like this out.
They removed it shortly after Columbine, a mass high school shooting where 12 students and 1 teacher lost their lives. It was the united states deadliest mass shooting at a high school until Parkland in 2018.
Pulling a kids cartoon where a bunch of people are shot to death right after a bunch teens (who most likely had young siblings) were shot to death in a crowded high-school (with more teens who knew someone that was killed/effected by the day's events with younger siblings) was a pretty good move imho.
This cartoon was from 1946, doesn’t have any schools, and you don’t even see anyone die from getting shot. What are you talking about?
Nah, those kids had it comin for them. Fuk em'@@SatanRomps
@@LiArtful he means: After the columbine shooting, this cartoon and several others (go and ask willy e. coyote) are seen "toxo-blematic" by modern audiences because..."deeerp geerp guns r eeevil" discourse. so since the late 90's, cartoons with guns from the past have been heavily censored if not REMOVED from public showing
(he missed the date btw lol, 2018? HAHAHA nope)
@@SatanRompsyou must be mentally challenged
Definitely a Scottish connection tae these two families. This is what the Clans were like.
Most likely Scottish lowlanders, and/or Ulster Scots.
this is based on the Hatfield and McCoy feud, a real blood feud between two appalachian "Hillbilly" families. appalachia for whatever reason was where a lot of scottish and Scots-irish immigrants settled, and historically is known for things that are more scottish/irish stereotypes or similiar to them. fiddle music, homemade whiskey, excessive alcoholism, small rural mountain communities with large interconnected families.
the area was right on the dividing line between north and south during the civil war and so the union versus confederate animus was also in play(Hatfields and McCoys were sympathizers for opposite sides if i recall).
talking about stereotype and superstition, this area is known for tall tales about encounters with "Hill folk", feral cannibalistic hillbillies living in the deep woods and attacking/stalking campers/hikers etc.
Isn't there a myth about a Scottish Clan that was famous for a mass cannibalism incident in like the 1400s?
My point is you're probly right, the genetics of the area are scots-irish historically, the culture has a lot of holdover practices and themes, and the civil war animosity probly serves as a surrogate for what i ignorantly and blindly assume is scottish war of independence animosity in the scottish clans.
@@gourdguru That's the Sawney Bean Clan you are thinking of, the veracity of the story has been called into question though.
You’ll be happy and unsurprised to hear that Appalachian culture in the US is almost exclusively Scottish in origin.
Who else did you think could have invented Bourbon Whiskey? I think it’s very funny that Scotland’s only rival in the whiskey world… are Scots
Had I never known Disney put it back "in the vault" for fear of giving offense, I never would have suspected.
There is an episode of My little pony Friendship is magic, called "The Hooffields and the McColts" and it too is about two families iliving on two cartoonishly opposed hills, hating each other.
Yeah, it's a pretty common cartoon troupe.
They’re all ultimately based off of the real life feud between the Hatfield and McCoy families in West Virginia during the late 19th century.
I was reminded of that episode seeing the hills!!
Add hard apple cider, guns and domestic violence, then you'll had red neck Romeo and Juliet.
Plus the apples and the pears that MLP episode
This is presented humourously, but I think it's a very clever cautionary tale.
Please specify what this cautionary tale is about.
@@kevinlane1219 How if you base your marriage around thinking that someone is attractive rather than working out issues, especially long-standing issues between your families, you're doomed to an unhappy marriage, and to repeat the mistakes your families made.
@@nicobones9608 Thank you for clarifying.
It should have been put on a collection for “adult collectors,” just like Warner had successfully branded its uncensored cartoons for decades. Disney is the only company which continues treating full-grown adults like babies. They claim it’s for brand integrity, but their movies and theme parks aren’t nearly as good as they used to be, so they can’t worry about integrity too much.
now their brand integrity consists of trying to groom children into being trans.
Disney is hemorrhaging money due to piss poor decisions
Their brand integrity can be shown by what they pay their employees lol
I dont care what they hate cos ive seen what makes them cheer
Thats cause their cartoons were not for adults knucklhead... Think about it lol Your trying to trash Disney for not making cartoons for adults when their whole target audience was children. They arent "Treating full grown adults like babies" because their shorts and cartoons were never meant for adults. So why would they need to make an "Adult collectors" edition. You really trying to throw shade for nothing my dude lmao. If you dont like it, thats a personal problem. Go watch something else then, there is a plethora of adult oriented cartoons for you to watch. Disney is not obligated to make shit just cause you complain about it.
I'm at a loss at why Disney deleted this sequence for the US video releases... I have a few guesses, but none seem strong enough to warrant the erasure, unlike, say, the racism during the Pastorale sequence in Fantasia (though I still prefer the Warner Brothers method of using disclaimers for the serious collections, and releasing edited versions of their shorts in collections aimed at children).
I forgot to say that maybe the reason I don't see the issue is because I'm not American.
Truth be told, this was a victim of the politically correct Eisner regime and attitudes toward gun violence, much like the digital erasure of cigarettes in the Pecos Bill segment of Melody Time. That one has since been rectified, but curiously, this one hasn’t.
@@GundarkHunter Which is a shame, because it could be said that, at least for a while, it shows the futility of gun violence, since most of both families die because of it.
I believe it was stated quite clearly that the use of comedic gunplay in the short is the reason why this short has been cut and rarely reissued.
As an American, it's probably the all the gun violence, death, and heavily implied domestic abuse at the end. Hill Billy stereotypes aren't really considered problematic in modern American media. The Hatfield and McCoy family was parodied as recently as a 2015 episode of My Little Pony without any negative feedback.
@@the1doctorwhat The only domestic abuse they implied was the man abusing the women. The women abusing the man was right on the screen.
To be honest, I think Blue Bayou is a superior opening to Make Mine Music than The Martins and the Coys. The audiences who saw the original cut of the film where this segment played first must have had the biggest whiplash when they went from the film’s most chaotic and violent segment to the the film’s most tranquil and beautifully animated segment (Blue Bayou was originally animated for Fantasia with the Debussy piece Clair de Lune, but was cut for timing).
That didn't even occur to me, but having seen Blue Bayou come first all these years I have to agree.
No
It's strange I got the 2002 DVD release of make my music and you can clearly hear a cut in the audio where after it gives opening credit It just skips over this segment that's actually the very first segment and just go straight to the Blue Danube.
Honestly, why don't they just simply put the segment cut out version on Disney Plus? Better to have nine out of 10 segments than absolutely no movie at all
@@guytorie Same here; the idea of having both parties be dead, the two last remaining survivors being left, and the two getting married to bury the hatchet... ONLY FOR THEM TO CONTINUE ON WITH A FEUD THAT'S AS DEAD AS A HORSE SO THAT THE ALREADY DEAD PEOPLE WOULD BE HAPPY ABOUT THE FEUD TO CONTINUE... Yeah, it's no wonder this segment got cut; terrible story, terrible implications, terrible moral. Not worth being in the collection.
The King's Men quartet! I recognized their voices right away. They were the singing group on Fibber McGee and Molly on radio for many years.
They had strong women back then too. It's not easy to start one of those cars up, she jumped into the car while it was moving and she threw him out of the house and was definitely winning that fight.
She's the original "Steel Magnolia" gal
Starting a hand cranked car was a tooth losing proposition. I nearly broke my leg cranking a Model H Massey Harris tractor, and my cousins uncle lost his shirt to a hand-cranked hay baler. A totally dangerous occupation.
I love how in almost every instance of the legendary feud’s portrayal, both families are living on hills next to each other.
As a hillbilly, I'm offended someone thinks this should be censored.
Nice to finally see this in high quality.
Thanks for resurrecting this lost sequence. What a shame so many historical gems of animation have been expunged from public viewing and enjoyment because of misguided censorship
There is a lot of alcohol in this 😂, and lots of people died. Also it’s Disneys right to distribute their property how they feel fit
Any law restricting that would actually cebsorshl
@@noirekuroraigami2270 Just about every classic disney movie starts with someone's mom dying
And let's not forget how Finding Nemo starts out.
@@noirekuroraigami2270 How is not allowing disney to cover up history, censorship??
I had a VHS tape with this segment included. My mom recorded it off the disney channel sometime in the late 80's. I'm surprised to hear it was taken off the dvd release. I love wartime-era Disney's dancing animations. They go so nuts with it!
Bugs is also a master of barn dance calling, and is one of the best fiddle players around. I'd love to see him in concert 😊
the animation back then was on a whole different level
I assume it's the guns/death that got it cut, which is a shame. Just add a disclaimer or something. People should understand that 1946 was a different era.
It might had been the depiction of alcohol, or domestic abuse too. Possibly a negative depiction of the Appalachian folks and culture too. A lot of this stuff didn't get censored because anyone actually felt insulted by it, but marked a lot of check boxes to just not make the cut, and didn't bother with a nuance look at it.
I saw this as a child (yeah I am old) and I still see nothing wrong with showing this to my kids if they were kids (they are now in their 30's)!
I'm going to see if my 12 year old wants to see it. She's pretty picky about what she watches, so she may just walk away before I even hit play.
This sequence was given a homage in, of all things, My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic.
In the episode "Hooffields and McColts" we see two clans feuding in the same way (PGified of course, they throw rotten fruit at each other) and the valley with the two hills the clans live on looks almost exactly the same as in this sequence. Being My Little Pony, things don't develop the same way as in this, but the art style and several characters have been mimicked very closely in the animation.
It’s all based on the actual historical feud of the Hatfields and McCoys. But you’re right that a lot of the visuals in this are clearly emulated in that MLP episode, though the resolution is obviously different 😅
For anyone wondering, this was shown in movie theaters as either a precursor to a double feature - or the in-between while you went to get popcorn, etc.
At that time (& depending on where you lived), for .05¢ + you began with a newsreel then a movie followed by an intermission cartoon and another movie usually a serial reel (Adventures of -----).
By the time i was a kid, it was .25¢-.50¢ and you got a double feature with the cartoon. You went in at ~1 & got out around 4pm. Snacks were extra. About $1-$1.50 for popcorn, candy bar OR ice cream, and a soda (bottle of pop or 8oz cup). Hotdogs available as well in higher tone places.
Oh, the $1-1.50? Yeah that was candy, soda pop, & popcorn all together.😊
No, this wasn't a stand alone short film, this was a segment from a feature film called Make Mine Music, in which every story featured some sort of song or poem, hence the movie's title. During this time, for budget reasons, Disney was making exclusively anthology movies, before the success of Cinderella allowed them to go back into films telling a single story.
My gosh, this is absolute perfection; Disney at its peak. Cartoons like this, Casey Jones, Pecos Bill - so, so good.
I remember the Pecos Bill and Johnny Appleseed cartoons, I didn't know they were Disney. This is the kinda stuff that needs preserved somewhere. I wonder if the Smithsonian has this stuff buried in reels of 8mm somewhere forgotten. Like the Lomax or Asch collections.
Disney has preserved most of its films very well. Up until recently, you could buy restored blu rays of the uncensored Melody Time online. Sadly, Make Mine Music is still missing The Martins and the Coys. But all the source material still exists.
thank you for uploading these. i never would have knew it existed. thank you truly
I'm from Latin Ameirca I got to know people like this when I went to Kansas for my step uncle's funeral, it was awesome
You only get to know these kinds of people in the Appalachian mountains lol.
My mom is from Appalachia, and, well....yeah 🤣
The tune is similar to "I Have A Dream" from Tangled, especially from 3:28 onwards.
Thanks for pointing that out❤😁
Thanks for putting this out there. This is the reason I archive old TV in my library.
Excuse me, mr. song's lyrics, sir... she's pretty, I give you that... but he's far from handsome.
... I don't know how I still remember this cartoon from my childhood. Didn't recall it was sung, anyway.
In about 100 years from now, this too will be considered offensive because of "harmful stereotypes of country folk and our ancestors"
No, we will always be the evil bad guys. Now, if the were another race, or not straight, then absolutely!
100 years from now, none of these concepts will exist except in history books.
That's why I thought it made the Disney Censored List.
Which is ridiculous in and of itself.
Bad news, 100 years from now is already here.
I can never understand why these dumb fights start and never tried to talk it out like sane people.
I know for a fact that I'll always try my hardest to avoid fights, unless it's to protect another.
Thank you for posting this. That square dancing scene was amazing. All the calls sounded real, and each part of the dance looked authentic. (The censorship is ridiculous and unfortunate.)
Thats because they likely had a square dance and filmed it for rotoscoping. Disney didn't invent rotoscoping, but they sure abused the heck out of it
@@nicholashodges201Fun Fact. Max Fleischer Famous for Producing Betty Boop Cartoons Invented the Rotoscope.
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This masterpiece Is not worth Censorship. It's too perfect. Why It was censored, I'll never get It.
I found the Martins and the coys 😊
The Martins and the coys
"The Martins and the coys" is a 1936 american novelty song created by Ted weems and al Cameron.
The lyrics are based on folklore about 2 feuding families, the hatfields and the mccoys.
The song was adapterd into 1946 animated anthology produced by Walt disney, titled make mine music.
The film's first segment is based on the song, with the disney version performed by the king's men quartet.
The animation drew genernal criticism, with the Martins and the coys segment receiving the most criticism due to it's stereotypical definition of hillbilies.
Walt disney is so genius😁👍
Yeah I might had learned bout it on time squad first I mean wut does feuding narrowing minded country folk or hillbillies have to do wit history ? N I kinda failed understanding the spoof on the Flintstones
To anyone questioning why this was pulled: Columbine happened.
For those non american: "The Columbine massacre was the deadliest mass shooting at a high school in U.S. history, until it was surpassed by the Parkland high school shooting in February 2018. Columbine still remains the deadliest mass shooting to occur in the U.S. state of Colorado."
I fail to see what that has to do with a Hatfield and McCoy parody?
There's been loads of mass shootings. Agreed its horrible but not related. Unless it was supposed to be re- released around the time of a high profile shooting.
Stereotypes (this time concerning Appalachian People) and Spousal Abuse was very funny to Disney.
This was fricking great! Why does Disney hide gems like these?
A fun little story. Insane that this is now censored.
I love how moonshine is mountain dew and how they all died from the stills blowing up. Didn't catch that as a kid.
its basically romeo and juliet but everyone else died instead with Romeo and Juliet getting into domestic disputes.
6:52 I wonder what Henry did or what he say to Grace.
This is by far better content than what Disney is spewing now.
1:37 Mountain Dew in original form “moonshine”
3:54 - Right between her legs... wow, THAT'S subtle.
More shocking than the gunplay is the fact that any 40s studio, especially Disney, included that.
Almost as Risqué as the Pre-Hayes Code Betty Boop Cartoons.
Betty Boop was Famous for having a Voluptuous figure & Fabulous Legs.
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I kept wondering why the hell this short was removed from every US copy of the movie... until that last scene came.
What about the last scene is worse than the rest?
It didn’t portrait the values of American society of the era the media was highly censored at that time but at the same time this was intent to be for adult not for kids
@@digestiveissue7710 It portrayed spousal domestic abuse in a disturbingly lighthearted way.
@@SirAbyss So is gun violence and death of 2 whole families
@@SirAbyss I wouldn't see it as "domestic abuse", both were fighting. That's where the conflict emerged again between the 2 families sides.
from what I can tell, this was removed for the casual gun violence and possibly the humorous depiction of domestic violence. Definitely a cultural relic in that regard, but not sure it was worth removing.
Lol it was fine until the domestic fight at the end, they could have just ended it after the marriage sequence instead of removing the short altogether.
This is one of the best shorts in Make Mine Music.
This should be preserved.
1:17 That is EXACTLY why I do not sleep with my gun......
A dedicated armchair restorer could tackle this a little better, I'm thinking. Assuming it's a standard 25fps PAL DVD, that can be QTGMCed just fine. Otherwise, complete frames of the 24fps presentation could still be worked from the source material-I've tackled similar projects before. And nowadays I'd probably give the whole thing an appropriate AI pass or two, to remove compression artifacts and raise the detail up from its DVD origins.
The footage comes from interlaced PAL video from an NTSC source with ghosting and combing artifacts built-in. The source was the region 2 PAL DVD from Denmark.
@@ChuckPenn3 I've dealt with cases like that before, yes. First stage QTGMC. Second stage, identify the cadence of ghosting and drop those frames (which will not be most or even half) with e.g. After Effects. There are likely to be changes in cadence at certain spots through the video. I'm not at all saying this is a terrifically automated process, but if this really is the best we're going to get, then at least one has the peace of mind of knowing that it's not a waste of effort.
I remember watching this on Walt Disney Presents.
I swear I saw this as a kid. IT LOOKS SO FAMILIAr...must have been on some channel that maybe got a version from elsewhere put on some late night tv show or something. Whom knows, its been so long lol Manyt hanks for the upload ^
Awe man that's a good one. I remember seeing that when I was really young. It was reruns but it was all new to me. It took me a minute but I remembered that this cartoon is how I learned about the Hatfields and McCoy's feud. After seeing this as a preschooler my mom told me a brief history about the real feud so whenever I hear something about it pieces of this cartoon is what I think of even though I'd all but forgotten about the cartoon.
for those who have these toons, thanks. it would be a shame to lose these.
Eu lembro de ter visto esse desenho aqui no Brasil, mas faz muito tempo.
Em que ano foi censurado? Não vi nada tão polêmico nele.
They removed it shortly after Columbine, a mass high school shooting where 12 students and 1 teacher lost their lives. It was the united states deadliest mass shooting at a high school until Parkland in 2018.
Violência doméstica principalmente sendo usado como piada provavelmente
Acho que conta também o estereótipo caricato e exagerado que fizeram dos caipiras americanos.
I'm so glad I stumbled on this. Thank you for sharing!
4:25 I wish that should’ve happened like that in the Looney Tunes if they looked inside their hearts.
Censorship I despise most: thank you so much for posting this.
1:51 I swear I thought he was gonna do a goofy scream
I was surprised to learn that there was a cut story from Make Mine Music, a movie which I watched a lot as a child, albeit the American home release version.
If I had to guess why Disney truncated this short, I would say it's the domestic abuse scene at the end. That's easily the most offensive part. It's a thematically fitting end to the short but I can see it cutting too close to home for many people.
Don't have to worry about rednecks being offended by stereotypes?
You also get to see an old man get shot and killed at 2:10.
Could be because of sex too. Censors freak out about anything that could be possibly sexual in nature and her skirt becomes see through in silhouette
It's Columbine. Columbine happened. The largest high school mass shooting in u.s. history till Parkland in 2018. Thats what happened.
Urgh, its just an overexageration of a couples fight.
I swear those f tards who wanted this censored can go to hell -.-
Okay, as someone who is actually half blood McCoy, and who is actually related to one of the last living McCoy men in my family, I gotta say this is hilarious.
For anyone wondering about how it actually all started, I'll tell ya bc it never actually started with the Hog. That's part of the reason, but not how it started. Randolph "Ole Ran'l" McCoy & William Anderson "Devil Anse" Hatfield were actually buddies once upon a time. They both joined the army and set of to war together during the American Civil War. Well, William ran away on the battle field and left Randolph, my great great (Maybe 3 great) Grandfather to fight alone, which labeled William as a coward. Well Randolph came back from war a changed and angred man, he was hell bint being angry at William for running away. Well, both boys got married and had their own families, and had let their hogs that they tagged be left off in the mountains until it was close to winter. Well, William, being an idiot, took a McCoy hog and wouldn't give it back. Now the book the Coffin Quilt, is an actual quilt the women (Wives of both William and Randoph) would make whenever one of their children were born. They would be put on a life quilt and once dead, would be moved to the death quilt, almost like a family tree. Well, the families would burn each other's houses down, kill each other, and would kill and burn anyone else's homes who wouldn't side with either one. Well, Johnson (“Johnse”) Hatfield and Rose Anna McCoy fell in love and had gotten married, even had a daughter together, who later died as an infant. Randoph threw Rose outta the house once learning about them both being together, he, basically yeeted her out of the family. The Hatfields took her into their home and basically accepted her surprisingly. Well, later on Rose died and the rest of the McCoys and Hatfeilds had killed off a lot of each other's sons and daughters until both sides were very little in their families.
Now, this is all I can remember currently about the fued, but it basically was awful and just overall stupid in my opinion. And no I don't know any Hatfeilds, and no, I'm not lying about this. This is all the truth and nothing but the truth, and may the lord and or gods strike me down today when I post this and am lying about it.
Hope this clears some things up about that old hog situation! 😅
I haven't seen this one since I was a kid. Nostalgia bomb.
Despite their continued fighting at the end, I guarantee you you'll never, ever, find two people who love each other as much as those two do.
Post-Marraige Square Dance
Promenade across the floor!
Sashay right on out the door!
Out the door and into the glade,
And everybody promenade!
Step right up! You're doing fine.
I'll pull your hair! You pull mine!
Yank it again like you did before!
Break it up with a tug o'war!
Now into the brook and fish for the trout!
Dive right in and splash about!
Trout, trout, pretty little trout -
One more splash and come right out!
Shake like a hound dog! Shake again!
Wallow around in the ol' pig pen!
Wallow some more! You all know how.
Roll around like an ol' fat sow!
Allemande left with your left hand!
Follow through with a right-left grand!
Now leave your partner, the dirty ol' thing!
Follow through with an elbow swing!
Grab a fence post! Hold it tight!
Whomp your partner with all your might!
Hit him in the shin! Hit him in the head!
Hit him again! That critter ain't dead.
Whomp him low and whomp him high!
Stick your finger in his eye!
Pretty little rhythm, pretty little sound -
Bang your heads against the ground!
Promenade all around the room!
Promenade like a bride and groom!
Open up the door and step right in!
Close the door and into a spin!
Whirl, whirl, twist and twirl -
Jump all round like a flying squirrel!
Now don't you cuss and don't you swear!
Just come right out and form a square!
Now right hand over and left hand under,
Both join hands and run like thunder!
Over the hill and over the dale -
Duck your head and lift your tail!
Don't you stray and don't you roam
Turn around and promenade home
Corn in the crib pen, wheat in the sack!
Turn your partner and promenade back!
And now you're home. Bow to your partner. Bow to the gent across the hall. And that is all!
That's from a Bugs Bunny cartoon. 😂🤣
@@martabachynsky8545 I Got it on My Playlist.
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@@davidwesley2525 So do I. Ain't I a stinker? 😁
@@martabachynsky8545 Bugs Bunny is a Really Big STINKER , in Who Framed Roger Rabbit Bugs Bunny gave Mickey Mouse the middle finger.
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@@davidwesley2525 Wha?? I missed that, and I saw that movie when it came out.I may have forgotten about it; time to watch that movie again. Cheers! 😀
Apparently "don't play with guns or you'll end up dead" is too subtle of a message for Disney. (Then again, this is the same company that decided to get rid of Splash Mountain for tenues connections to an inoffensive movie)
1:31 Wait. Is that what mountain dew originally coined off of?😶
Including a hillbilly mascot when it first came out.
Soooo...it was censored because they didn't think private citizens shooting at each other to resolve petty disputes was something they should be shamed over?
Or because modern Disney has a hate boner for America, namely Southern Americana,
@@Merlodica tbf ALL media is like that. They've always hated us southern folks. 😒
@@angelcat2865 I love the south but many of you guys still have a chip on your shoulder from the civil war. The north has forgotten about it it's time you guys did as well.
@ScottCleve33 Um you do realize the media has been using it against us southerners for the last several years now right? Where do you think all "victimized" black people in the media comes from?
We're just as happy to put the past behind us as anybody. The media is the one that won't let it go. Or do you even watch the media?
I am South African and I remember this playing on TV in the early 2000s in my country.
I watched it when I was a kid, finally I can have some closure, I have been having some nightmares from this cartoon for about 30 years.
2:05 Goofy Howl
3:38 Accurate depiction of the players who died and are now spectating their teammates 😆
4:16 their reaction XD
I could swear I saw this on TNT when they had a two hour block of Looney Tunes and other similar cartoons in the early evening during the 1980s. There were many "banned" cartoons-- ones with war themes and H etler, etc, that were shown during that block.
If You Really Think About It The Martin's Amd The Coys Is The Precursor To The Canceled My Peoples/Once in a Blue Moon/ Elgin's Peoples/Angel and Her No Good Sister/A Few Good Ghosts
Definitely worth preserving. I must say, though, why did Henry and Grace get married and fist fight? That doesn’t seem healthy, does it?
Its a disney cartoon but it feels more. Idk. Avery-ish
"...from the time when guns was long..." Nice touch. The dance caller seems to be a character lifted directly from Walter Brennan's in the hugely popular film "Sergeant York" which had appeared just 5 years before this.
Can someone tell me what was supposed to be offensive in this. I really can't find anything.
It was the use of guns
@@sephoramandondo2548 You would think white conservative rednecks killing white conservative rednecks would be considered high moral values in todays climate.
I remember seeing this as a bonus cartoon on a DVD of Song of the South. (The video and audio was off sync though)
Better than anything they have put out in the last few years