The Flanker is my favorite modern Eastern jet. One of the most beautiful designs aviation has ever seen, it’s like watching a swan or Blue Herron with combat capabilities.
@@xXturbo86Xx only 1 degree of turning separates the Su-27 flanker and the F-15. Everything else is basically the same. Oh and the flanker just looks objectively better
Malaysia have both American and Russian jets !😂😂😂 SU 30 MKM highly modified with improve radars and Thales electronic can drop American Paveway bombs and shoots French MICA missiles !!! Russia wants to swap SU 30 MKM with canards with SU 35 !😂 We have real jet fighters. Not DCS as you think !
As fun as these are to watch war isn't fair if you are doing it right. Neither of these planes would go into combat on equal footing unless there was no other choice. Both would do everything to maximise their own advantages while trying to minimise any advantage the enemy had. Most planes these days fire from the safety of their own aircover and never cross the line into enemy airspace unless they are 1000% sure it is completely empty of any ground or air threats. The idea of any plane doing some deep strike mission is just completely unrealistic against any peer or near peer opponent. Basically, they will throw missiles at each other from long range, then return home hoping that the other guy didn't didn't make it out. Still good video, and good to gain a better understanding of modern weapons.
Su30 was actually developed due to the Indian purchase of the jet. India needed a heavy fighter, and the russian SU27 was selected, however, the IAF asked the Russians ro heavily modify it, india also bought french and Israeli avionics for their program. The jet that turned out was so much better the the original one that russia ended replacing the earlier variants. Calling the new one Su30. They have modernized su27 called su27M ss well though, if I'm not wrong.
they already had su-30 in the 90s ,before india asked them about su-30mki , su-30mki was built to fullfill the needs of iaf , it featured N011m bars pesa radar , thrust vectoring (2D) , french hud and israeli avionics. su-30sm was based on the su30mki and had the same radar/tvc engine , then they built su30sm2 with better radar , better engines (more thrust)
It is time Beoing put some GPS device, deployable wing and parachute to the drop tanks. So the drop tanks can glide home after jettison during training.
@@123abcter , look at the Russian Winged Bombs, and look at the consumer Drone, I think it is not that complicated. Extra weight maybe, but Not by much.
Does the Su-30MKM have engines with 20% reduced thrust? Do you know why its thrust is reduced by 18-20% compared to the Su-30SM? Is it only because it is an export variant or because the Malaysians didn't want to pay more? @Gonky, one last question: considering that the Su-30SM has approximately 18% more thrust, does this make it the best dogfighter (guns only)?
The MKM has 55.000 pounds of thrust compared to 70.000 of the Su-57 and 60.000 or so of the Su-35… So no, the MKM is not the best dogfighter, but among the best for sure.
Why are all these people asking questions he absolutely can't answer... Y'all are asking him questions that only a Flanker Pilot could answer and like he said they kept to themselves, were in an entirely different part of the country, and didn't tell him anything about the aircraft.
The Su-30SM uses AL-41F-1s, not the Su-30MKM's AL-31FPs. The Su-30SM also features thrust vectoring, which the 30MKM lacks. It would completely destroy the MKM in a guns-only fight.
@@RedTail1-1 Because they're easy questions? You (yes... you) can find the answer with literally 30 seconds of internet searches. You don't need to be a pilot to name an engine model? Do I need to own a Ford to tell you the difference between an F250 and an F350? They sure do LOOK the same, but I guess I have to own one and drive it to be able to answer that...
In bvr i go with the hornet. Better avionics and weapon systems. But in close in dogfight....the flanker will put the hornet on its place. High AOA, 3D trust vectoring, and high TWR...
@@alexs.4340and he also got beaten by the flanker! He says so in the video. The flanker is a capable plane and on par with western jets. This video shows 2 very capable jets fighting each other. One is not better then the other!
@@commandbrawler9348 he said he didn't always win but a legacy hornet beating a su30 with tv tell us how important is training and thrust vectoring i more an airshow thing
a stand alone 1 on 1 fight might never happen. these competing jets will always come with their friends and entourage. AWACS, EW , ground control, satellite, ground based air defenses radars etc which complicate the fight. these supporting factors will come into play on top of pilot proficiency, his training and the type of jet he is flying and whether he is aggressor or defender and how much of his own (or his support/ control) coms/ systems are jammed or working.
WHAATTTT? Are you telling me that the Flanker as a platform is actually a VERY decent dog fighter??? Could you imagine that, Gaijin? Ahahaha Could you imagine that?
5:40 that's the most dumb decision , they should take the advantage of having these russian planes to study the dogfight BFM between them and share the intel with all the other pilots, they are from the same country for God's' sake, is that a matter of pride between pilots on the same country (?) , IMHO that's such a fatal philosophy
"That jet would be dead at the merge" is indeed ignorant. Cause you are overconfident and allready put yourself as a winner without even knowing and acknowledging the capabilities if your opponent. And how many times in history has it played out to be a detremental flawed way of thinking. Respect your opponent and their machines. If they give their 100% but you only expect to need 70% to best them then you're thinking wrong. And im verry certain that something in the future will happen where those people will go: " oh shit..."
No need to compare against the F18D because these SU30MKM are the same aircrafts that thrashed the F22 5-0 in the 2022 Ops Typhoon Inter Pacific War Games over the Malaysia skies. The F 22 has just no answer to formidable SU30 MKM.
Absolutely! And comparing the 18's with a 57 is just no comparison at all! The Russian Aviation Institute has mastered directional thrust vectoring and lifting body structuring.
Russians were not able to design a good fly by wire system. Their electronics were way way far behind the western counterparts. So they relied on aerodynamics. The result is a very large airplane, that's impressive to watch in air shows, but basically useless in a real combat. It's huge radar and heat signature makes it an easy target for any air defence system, and that's why the Russian airforce has been practically useless in Ukraine. They're forced to modify conventional bombs in order to drop them from high altitute and long distances and head back home right away. Even it's payload is underwhelming for it's size. The F-15 is almost half the size and has almost double the payload. Even the little F-16 has comparable payload.
Again....useles in combat... are you for real??? You people are so ignorant... if the western stuff for example is soooo much better. Then why is ukraine not winning for example? All those weapons are being used in an ACTUALL fight. Not in your hypothetical scenario going on in your head. Ukraine's airforce is mostly dead and there are allready multiple f16's downed. So where is this superiority complex comming from? Please explain
People like you are so stupid it stopped bieng funny years ago and is acctually just sad... wake up and look verry closely at what's happening. You think all of those jets are bad even though you have never been up against one. You underestimate your enemies all the time and keep losing to them. Afghanistan, vietnam, iraq. Like pleaaaseee wake up and gain some acctuall consience ffs
Also the russians operate the su 35 an even more upgraded version then the su30. Its also an export model with different avionics etc then the ones russia operate. And again. Overconfidence and the underestimation of your foe is idiotic and will get you killed.
The Flanker is my favorite modern Eastern jet. One of the most beautiful designs aviation has ever seen, it’s like watching a swan or Blue Herron with combat capabilities.
As a fan of eastern aircraft I agree.
Also why did this comment remind me of ace combat?
The Flanker is beautiful but I also just love the MiG-29, such a cool aircraft.
It's garbage.
@@xXturbo86Xx only 1 degree of turning separates the Su-27 flanker and the F-15.
Everything else is basically the same. Oh and the flanker just looks objectively better
6:07
An airborne flanker and F-22 in the same photograph. Geek out moment.
Thanks for the video! for people who are not pilots, this video is also unique, I really liked it!
This must be the best video made on the subject matter and for people who have at least some kind of understanding of what's going on i.e. not for TV
Love love love! As a former legacy Hornet maintainer, I love seeing the bug take to the best. Only plane I fly in DCS. Thanks for posting.
Thx, Gonky! Keep it going!
Man, you and Mover need to find some real Russian pilots and get them to dogfight their ships against yours in DCS…
You don't keep up with current events, do you...
DCS???LOL...
Malaysia have both American and Russian jets !😂😂😂
SU 30 MKM highly modified with improve radars and Thales electronic can drop American Paveway bombs and shoots French MICA missiles !!!
Russia wants to swap SU 30 MKM with canards with SU 35 !😂
We have real jet fighters. Not DCS as you think !
the LEX is everything when it comes to f18 low energy performance for both ensuring clean air into the intakes and high alpha kinematics.
Nice video and commentary thanks.
Great work Gonky!
Good video Gonky thank you man.
As fun as these are to watch war isn't fair if you are doing it right. Neither of these planes would go into combat on equal footing unless there was no other choice. Both would do everything to maximise their own advantages while trying to minimise any advantage the enemy had. Most planes these days fire from the safety of their own aircover and never cross the line into enemy airspace unless they are 1000% sure it is completely empty of any ground or air threats. The idea of any plane doing some deep strike mission is just completely unrealistic against any peer or near peer opponent. Basically, they will throw missiles at each other from long range, then return home hoping that the other guy didn't didn't make it out.
Still good video, and good to gain a better understanding of modern weapons.
Thank you Gonky!
Su30 was actually developed due to the Indian purchase of the jet. India needed a heavy fighter, and the russian SU27 was selected, however, the IAF asked the Russians ro heavily modify it, india also bought french and Israeli avionics for their program. The jet that turned out was so much better the the original one that russia ended replacing the earlier variants. Calling the new one Su30. They have modernized su27 called su27M ss well though, if I'm not wrong.
they already had su-30 in the 90s ,before india asked them about su-30mki , su-30mki was built to fullfill the needs of iaf , it featured N011m bars pesa radar , thrust vectoring (2D) , french hud and israeli avionics. su-30sm was based on the su30mki and had the same radar/tvc engine , then they built su30sm2 with better radar , better engines (more thrust)
Su30 pre exist India demand bro 😂 su27pu later they remarket them as su30
You are taking about SU30 MKI 😂 not su 30 bro
It's SU30MKM..... For Royal Malaysia Airforce. Using Thales a ionic and NATO weaponry.
this is precious
Thanks, excellent clip
Great video Gonky , so tell us what do you think about to the greek fighter pilots
have any video from Fighter jet Su30 for this Dogfight?
Did the su pilot deploy the flares himself or it's automatic by the su's defence systems when being locked by hornets radar?
That would be chaff not flares
Yes the Su-30MKM has a MAW system
Thanks bro!!
what happen to your channel? is this new?
My old channel is not the Mover and Gonky Show, this is my new channel with "my" vids.
My nearest airport has a squadron of SU30MKIs big bird very beautiful, just roars above our heads
It is time Beoing put some GPS device, deployable wing and parachute to the drop tanks. So the drop tanks can glide home after jettison during training.
Тебе жить без мозгов в голове не тяжело?????
Одуреть можно на сколько вы тупые 😂😂😂😂😂
Наверно Данном жить легче в этом мире????😮😮
Where would they land? Slam into the hangars?
@ , to the chopsticks
There would be extra weight and complexity something you don’t want
@@123abcter , look at the Russian Winged Bombs, and look at the consumer Drone, I think it is not that complicated. Extra weight maybe, but Not by much.
Good stuff
Does the Su-30MKM have engines with 20% reduced thrust? Do you know why its thrust is reduced by 18-20% compared to the Su-30SM? Is it only because it is an export variant or because the Malaysians didn't want to pay more? @Gonky, one last question: considering that the Su-30SM has approximately 18% more thrust, does this make it the best dogfighter (guns only)?
The MKM has 55.000 pounds of thrust compared to 70.000 of the Su-57 and 60.000 or so of the Su-35… So no, the MKM is not the best dogfighter, but among the best for sure.
It has old engines, AL-31. SM/SM2 use AL-41.
Why are all these people asking questions he absolutely can't answer... Y'all are asking him questions that only a Flanker Pilot could answer and like he said they kept to themselves, were in an entirely different part of the country, and didn't tell him anything about the aircraft.
The Su-30SM uses AL-41F-1s, not the Su-30MKM's AL-31FPs.
The Su-30SM also features thrust vectoring, which the 30MKM lacks. It would completely destroy the MKM in a guns-only fight.
@@RedTail1-1 Because they're easy questions? You (yes... you) can find the answer with literally 30 seconds of internet searches.
You don't need to be a pilot to name an engine model? Do I need to own a Ford to tell you the difference between an F250 and an F350? They sure do LOOK the same, but I guess I have to own one and drive it to be able to answer that...
In bvr i go with the hornet. Better avionics and weapon systems. But in close in dogfight....the flanker will put the hornet on its place. High AOA, 3D trust vectoring, and high TWR...
this video shows you how an old hornet demolished the Su30 in WVR even with TV.
did u watch the video lol. flanker got dogged on in a dogfight
@@alexs.4340and he also got beaten by the flanker! He says so in the video. The flanker is a capable plane and on par with western jets. This video shows 2 very capable jets fighting each other. One is not better then the other!
@@staymad7206he also got beaten by the flanker.
@@commandbrawler9348 he said he didn't always win but a legacy hornet beating a su30 with tv tell us how important is training and thrust vectoring i more an airshow thing
Legacy Hornet right?
Yeah- the two seater one too
You guys did BVR:s aswell? If yes, how did they go?
I know it's tough to pay attention without visuals but he says that in BVR and BFM they were more or less equal.
This is an exported Malaysian model Su30 mkm. Which means a downgraded model
@ Cool. You know what the differences are?
Is there an built in system that tells you that you virtually hit it or there is some other way to tell that you won?
I don’t think so. I think they are just talking to one another via radio and it’s an honor system for who wins or loses
they should have gun cameras for debriefing purposes.
a stand alone 1 on 1 fight might never happen. these competing jets will always come with their friends and entourage. AWACS, EW , ground control, satellite, ground based air defenses radars etc which complicate the fight. these supporting factors will come into play on top of pilot proficiency, his training and the type of jet he is flying and whether he is aggressor or defender and how much of his own (or his support/ control) coms/ systems are jammed or working.
That flanker pilot made the same mistake 3 times in row lol WTF
I thought the F18 , with asymetric wing loading, departed under high angle of attack.... No?
The U.S. Navy has 4,000 aircraft.
k..???
WHAATTTT? Are you telling me that the Flanker as a platform is actually a VERY decent dog fighter??? Could you imagine that, Gaijin? Ahahaha Could you imagine that?
Su-30, not the 27
Gonky should have been born a Russian :D
5:40 that's the most dumb decision , they should take the advantage of having these russian planes to study the dogfight BFM between them and share the intel with all the other pilots, they are from the same country for God's' sake, is that a matter of pride between pilots on the same country (?) , IMHO that's such a fatal philosophy
"That jet would be dead at the merge" is indeed ignorant. Cause you are overconfident and allready put yourself as a winner without even knowing and acknowledging the capabilities if your opponent. And how many times in history has it played out to be a detremental flawed way of thinking. Respect your opponent and their machines. If they give their 100% but you only expect to need 70% to best them then you're thinking wrong. And im verry certain that something in the future will happen where those people will go: " oh shit..."
US Navy is #3 actually in aircraft count. USAF 1st. Whole Russian Military 2nd US navy 3rd.
Only to the USAF.
@@sferrin2yes, thank you captain obvious...
Not anymore, China surpassed it.
@@MrSchwabentierUS navy has 3,700 Aircraft operational. Whole Chinese military has 3200+
@ ah, I see where you come from, I didn’t include helicopters. My bad
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No need to compare against the F18D because these SU30MKM are the same aircrafts that thrashed the F22 5-0 in the 2022 Ops Typhoon Inter Pacific War Games over the Malaysia skies. The F 22 has just no answer to formidable SU30 MKM.
Absolutely! And comparing the 18's with a 57 is just no comparison at all! The Russian Aviation Institute has mastered directional thrust vectoring and lifting body structuring.
Russian aircarft are only good for air show.
this video shows you how thrust vectoring is basically useless in WVR.
@@alexs.4340nah, in another video Gonky did mentioned that the less experienced pilot is reluctant to use the TVC.
@@alexs.4340thrust vector is only cool at air shows
Russians were not able to design a good fly by wire system. Their electronics were way way far behind the western counterparts. So they relied on aerodynamics. The result is a very large airplane, that's impressive to watch in air shows, but basically useless in a real combat.
It's huge radar and heat signature makes it an easy target for any air defence system, and that's why the Russian airforce has been practically useless in Ukraine. They're forced to modify conventional bombs in order to drop them from high altitute and long distances and head back home right away.
Even it's payload is underwhelming for it's size. The F-15 is almost half the size and has almost double the payload. Even the little F-16 has comparable payload.
Again....useles in combat... are you for real??? You people are so ignorant... if the western stuff for example is soooo much better. Then why is ukraine not winning for example? All those weapons are being used in an ACTUALL fight. Not in your hypothetical scenario going on in your head. Ukraine's airforce is mostly dead and there are allready multiple f16's downed. So where is this superiority complex comming from? Please explain
People like you are so stupid it stopped bieng funny years ago and is acctually just sad... wake up and look verry closely at what's happening. You think all of those jets are bad even though you have never been up against one. You underestimate your enemies all the time and keep losing to them. Afghanistan, vietnam, iraq. Like pleaaaseee wake up and gain some acctuall consience ffs
Also the russians operate the su 35 an even more upgraded version then the su30. Its also an export model with different avionics etc then the ones russia operate. And again. Overconfidence and the underestimation of your foe is idiotic and will get you killed.