The third guy nailed it IMO. The other two answers were good, but the third guy said the hard words that we need to hear. Suffering = maturity. Thank you third guy.
Burk Parsons is spot on. In my enthusiasm I prayed many prayers. I gave God carte blanche to raise me up as He saw fit. So I learned the hard way. Nearly 6 years later God has brought me to my knees, and He still isn't finished with me. I am more measured in my prayers because I realized that you shouldn't ask for something unless you are willing to see it through to the end. I will leave you with a commentary that God brought to my attention after a particularly hard day: "God has times and places of rest for his people after their tossing; and many times he provides for their seasonable and comfortable settlement, without their own contrivance, and quite beyond their own foresight." Matthew Henry (1662-1714) on Genesis 8:4-12
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I don't understand the scriptures that say God helps us to do good works and refrain from sinning, because in practical experience it seems to me I am completely alone in my own efforts to do those things. I don't have any experience or indication that God is even part of my life.
I think the point is that none of us are good and that even our best deeds are filthy rags. Only God is good. Our nature is corrupt and depraved. Jesus is the center of Christian life because through His mercy we are reconciled to God. Being reborn is exactly that - Christ’s righteousness is imputed for us because of dying and bearing our sins and then defeating death. Sanctification is the process of becoming more like Jesus - but here too we rely on the Holy Spirit that works good in us. This way we are humbled and eternally thankful for this mercy.
We need to stand on the promises that God gives us in His word. Not our own feelings or experience. If we have truly repented and are trusting exclusively in Jesus Christ and Him alone, we are His children and He will see us through.
@@maxaplin4204 I agree with you. It seems insane to me to try to accomplish perfection "Be perfect, as God is perfect". How can I do that if I am still struggling with the "old man"? We are so devastatingly fallen it isn't even possible to measure up to the standard of perfection.
@@ELishaJesus1980 We will never reach perfection this side of death or the return of the Lord. But it is a goal that we should strive to reach as far as we are able. As Jesus says in Matt 5:48: 'Be perfect, therefore as your heavenly Father is perfect.' Jesus doesn't mean that we will be actually able to be perfect on this earth, but he does give it to us as a goal to strive ever closer towards.
The New Testament is full of references to Christians suffering. For example, in Hebrews 12:7 the author states: “It is for discipline that you have to endure. God is treating you as sons. For what son is there whom his father does not discipline?” And then a little later, at Hebrews 12:11, he says: “For the moment all discipline seems painful rather than pleasant . . .” In v. 7 the author tells his readers that God is treating them as His sons. And there is no doubt that God treats all Christians in this way. Verse 7 also tells us that every son is disciplined by his father. So, given that God treats all Christians as sons, this means that He disciplines all of us. Finally, v. 11 says that discipline is painful. It is clear from these verses, then, that we should expect some degree of suffering and hardship to come to every believer.
Yes, the gospel of I Corinthians 15:1-4 tells us that our sins were forgiven on the cross (before we were born), and that we are saved when we believe the gospel of I Corinthians 15:1-4. There is no water baptism in I Corinthians 15:1-4. Those that practice "water baptism" are just replacing "circumcision" that Satan attempted to get the Galatians to practice - with "water baptism" which Satan has gotten you to NOW practice. Sadly, our Apostle Paul is no longer alive - Sadly, we no longer have preachers that are disciples of Paul - Sadly, today's preachers preach false denominational gospels. NOW, why do you practice "water baptism?" WHY? Do you want God to call you a PERVERT?
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The third guy nailed it IMO. The other two answers were good, but the third guy said the hard words that we need to hear. Suffering = maturity. Thank you third guy.
Burk Parsons is spot on. In my enthusiasm I prayed many prayers. I gave God carte blanche to raise me up as He saw fit. So I learned the hard way. Nearly 6 years later God has brought me to my knees, and He still isn't finished with me. I am more measured in my prayers because I realized that you shouldn't ask for something unless you are willing to see it through to the end. I will leave you with a commentary that God brought to my attention after a particularly hard day: "God has times and places of rest for his people after their tossing; and many times he provides for their seasonable and comfortable settlement, without their own contrivance, and quite beyond their own foresight." Matthew Henry (1662-1714) on Genesis 8:4-12
It is true that the Bible connects suffering with growth in moral purity (e.g., Rom 5:3-4; James 1:2-4).
He who began a good work in you
Will perform it!
We are being mature in Christ spiritually and where our strength comes from
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The more mature a Christian is, the more that Christian is like Jesus Christ.
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It is the difference between
Moses in Egypt and
Moses in the wilderness
I don't understand the scriptures that say God helps us to do good works and refrain from sinning, because in practical experience it seems to me I am completely alone in my own efforts to do those things. I don't have any experience or indication that God is even part of my life.
I think the point is that none of us are good and that even our best deeds are filthy rags. Only God is good. Our nature is corrupt and depraved. Jesus is the center of Christian life because through His mercy we are reconciled to God. Being reborn is exactly that - Christ’s righteousness is imputed for us because of dying and bearing our sins and then defeating death. Sanctification is the process of becoming more like Jesus - but here too we rely on the Holy Spirit that works good in us. This way we are humbled and eternally thankful for this mercy.
We need to stand on the promises that God gives us in His word. Not our own feelings or experience. If we have truly repented and are trusting exclusively in Jesus Christ and Him alone, we are His children and He will see us through.
Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. (The same way a wife is faithful to her husband.)
But we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the Righteous. 1 John
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Loving the LORD as much as He loves you is when you have become mature in Christ.
No one will ever reach that goal, though.
@@maxaplin4204 I agree with you. It seems insane to me to try to accomplish perfection "Be perfect, as God is perfect". How can I do that if I am still struggling with the "old man"? We are so devastatingly fallen it isn't even possible to measure up to the standard of perfection.
@@maxaplin4204 That goal can only be reached when we are glorified, which is perfect maturity in Christ.
@@ELishaJesus1980 We will never reach perfection this side of death or the return of the Lord. But it is a goal that we should strive to reach as far as we are able.
As Jesus says in Matt 5:48:
'Be perfect, therefore as your heavenly Father is perfect.'
Jesus doesn't mean that we will be actually able to be perfect on this earth, but he does give it to us as a goal to strive ever closer towards.
@@stevenhooser9410 Absolutely.
If we meet a Christian who makes us think of Jesus, we should always try to imitate what we see.
can't we do it without the suffering part??
The New Testament is full of references to Christians suffering. For example, in Hebrews 12:7 the author states:
“It is for discipline that you have to endure. God is treating you as sons. For what son is there whom his father does not discipline?”
And then a little later, at Hebrews 12:11, he says:
“For the moment all discipline seems painful rather than pleasant . . .”
In v. 7 the author tells his readers that God is treating them as His sons. And there is no doubt that God treats all Christians in this way.
Verse 7 also tells us that every son is disciplined by his father. So, given that God treats all Christians as sons, this means that He disciplines all of us.
Finally, v. 11 says that discipline is painful.
It is clear from these verses, then, that we should expect some degree of suffering and hardship to come to every believer.
I wish
Yes, the gospel of I Corinthians 15:1-4 tells us that our sins were forgiven on the cross (before we were born), and that we are saved when we believe the gospel of I Corinthians 15:1-4. There is no water baptism in I Corinthians 15:1-4.
Those that practice "water baptism" are just replacing "circumcision" that Satan attempted to get the Galatians to practice - with "water baptism" which Satan has gotten you to NOW practice.
Sadly, our Apostle Paul is no longer alive - Sadly, we no longer have preachers that are disciples of Paul - Sadly, today's preachers preach false denominational gospels.
NOW, why do you practice "water baptism?" WHY?
Do you want God to call you a PERVERT?