The Broken Morality Of True Crime Videos
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- Опубликовано: 16 дек 2021
- Are True Crime Videos Morally Bankrupt?. We'll be discussing a few youtubers, Bailey Sarian, Stephanie Soo, Kendall Rae and moooore!
We'll also be talking about the concept of mukbang true crime channels, makeup true crime videos and ASMR true crime videos.
Few sources:
Tiger king: The Problem with True Crime
• Tiger King: The Proble...
I play a clip from that one.
- The Human Cost of Binge-Watching True Crime Series:
time.com/5825475/true-crime-v...
This is where the Mindy Pendleton interview is from.
- Shanann Watts' Relatives Plead For Online Harassers To Stop Spreading Lies
www.oxygen.com/crime-time/sha...
This one is mainly a report stating what Shannan's father said
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I think this is a pretty interesting topic for discussion. So if you finished the video, what do you think? Who are your favourite true crime channels? Do you agree with my takes? I literally got covid by the time it took me to finish this thing so you better be nice. My next video is going to be about the American Pie Cinematic Universe.
this is MONSTERS
it’s a fairly new channel, so not much time to be problematic- but so far so good! just seems like a good dude
Never really paid attention to problematic crime channels, the closest to morally grey I have seen would probably be That Chapter but only because he adds humor to the narration. But he tends to do it at the killer's expense never saying anything uncalled for.
@@hypocriticalsatire3966 been watching That Chapter for awhile and I’ve been feeling like he’s figured out a formula that is turning out to be limiting to the stories. Plus his fan base is so annoying, 1 sec after it’s posted “omg isn’t he the besttttt let’s give it a goooooo!” when the title is about a baby murderer lol
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Yeah the viewers talking about how they love the content when its about murder is kind of strange lol
That Chapter and Shrouded Hand do a great job at covering true crime respectfully. I’d be interested in seeing a video on some more examples of good true crime content, you have a very nuanced and fair opinion on the topic!
I’ve seen people have more respect talking about fnaf lore than RUclipsrs retelling homicidal tragedies
Real, matpat talking abt fictional murders is more sad, and emotional than these people talking abt actual tragedies
I have seen people giving more respect to Naruto characters deaths then these real tragedies
@@ead0132 matpat is a really funny example given that the one time he talked about a real murder (in his petscop video) he treated it with about the same respect he does for the gags he does in his videos. he is literally both of these people.
@@squidgirl0413 Been a while since I watched it so I could be misremembering, but I thought he was respectful in how he told it?
@@thatonearoace he did one of those comedic animated bits to depict the murder
My family friend was murdered in 2022. It was a closed case with plenty of evidence, but made it to Tik tok where I saw THOUSANDS of conspiracy theory comments claiming they have a "bad feeling" about it, they thought her husband "must have had something to do with it", she had a "secret double life" and many other horrible random claims from complete strangers. I wasn't even that close to her, but I was so repulsed by the comments I had to stay off of the internet for a while. It is 100% entertainment for these people, and the creators fuel it more. I am tired.
that makes me wanna punch people in the throat, i am so sorry for your loss and that you have even seen this shit leak into tiktok. may they rest ❤
I am so sorry to hear that, my deepest condolences to you and all her other loved ones. I cannot imagine how horrible this must be for you, and how enraged her husband must be at being retraumatized again.
The older sister of a good friend of mine was murdered brutally in front of him when he was ten. It was luckily not circulated around true crime circles, it was before that error of things and a very clean case (multiple witnesses). I still have a reminder on my phone for her death- and birthday so I can try and reach out to him at those times especially. He has been in Intensive Trauma therapy since he was 15, with little process because it was such a deeply traumatizing thing. I can only imagine how much worse it would be if people were also speculating about it online.
God Bless 🙏🏾🩷, I’m so sorry your family had to go through that . wow . may God protect over you & your family Amen
They treat real people's trauma like a TV show, it's awful.
I'm really sorry that you lost someone and the Internet didn't let you or the family grieve in peace.
My deepest condolences
Stephanie Soo has seemed to have changed her approach to be more respectful, so maybe calling out folks does help on occasion.
Plus, a lot of the time she's in contact with the family related to the victims, or families will ask her to cover their case.
But why should they have to be called out to change?
I recently started watching my First Video of her and i had to end it quite fast. I think she sounded so gossipy. I consume a lot of true Crime but this was so icky
@@Bunny_xoxo. if the content is or feels exploitative of people's real suffering, viewers, related to those involved or not, are valid in calling out those behaviours, and at the end of the day the victim's cannot speak for themselves anywho
@@Bunny_xoxo.lmao ur coping so hard so you can use peoples real suffering as entertainment. We can agree to disagree man
Paraphrasing here, but when you said, "The family doesn't want people eating popcorn and being entertained by their loved one's murder" made me cry because that's EXACTLY why I don't like the True Crime genre in any capacity.
I thought it was just me who found RUclipsrs doing their damn makeup while discussing someone losing their life tasteless, but even on a larger scale, like TV shows and movies, idk...it makes me very uncomfortable to watch someone's tragic end become a production to entertain you, not educate you.
ESPECIALLY without the consent of the family. F*CK Netflix forever for that.
I used to love true crime and I can't really pinpoint a reason. But one day I was watching a video while drawing (one of Bailey Sarian's, interestingly enough) and I THOUGHT I had empathy for the victims, but maybe not as much as I thought - because that day in particular I just started sobbing thinking of the atrocities the victim went through, and felt so guilty that I was using it as background noise to draw to. From then on I haven't been able to stomach true crime and I think that's for the best. This video brought up so many valid critiques of most of the genre. You're right, it's tasteless, and that's putting it kindly.
@@fluffyphoenix8082had a similar experience. I used to draw whilst listening to true crime also, but it started to get to me. Something about true crime videos started to disgust me, something started to feel off and i just couldn’t anymore.
Some people do speak about these things respectfully but even that, i wouldn’t want that for myself or anyone i know.
you could try listening to FICTIONAL thriller stories about werewolves, vampires, alien conspiracies, eldritch horrors, ghosts, and more......all read by a dude whos voice is dark and mysterious. No real victims, but completely engaging. I say Thriller and not Slasher because i dont like slashers........but i CAN get into a thriller. He goes by the name Dr. Creepen her on youtube. I like to turn his videos on if i have to drive for longer than 45 mins.
cant fall asleep during driving if you're hyper engaged on the guy walking around in a basement and a creepy shadow is in the corner coming towards him. 😊
WAYY better than True Crime in my opinion.
No real victims, you get to possibly be scared GUILT FREE, and you get to support creatives making good stories!
@@pogpogpurinnthis is a horrible time but I recognise ur pfp as luca kaneshiro
I think foreign true crime are most respectful, i watched victoria charlton and liz and they did a lot of research tbh
I remember a case Kendall didn’t cover that everyone was asking her to. She specifically said it was because she reached out to the family and they told her they’d rather her not. It’s not hard to be a respectful person.
That is why I respect her so much. She seems to be one of the few channels that actually thinks about the family and respects their wishes.
@@cocogoat1111 facts
@@cocogoat1111 It's just unfortunate that, in my opinion, she doesn't seem to do very quality research, or at least she didn't when I used to watch her show and especially the show she and Josh had.
yall give anyone who does this way too much leeway imo
sure she is more respectful and brings awareness in a way but she's still making a living and career off of other peoples' tragedy for entertainment. and her audience is largely also watching these other true crime bullshit bc it's just oh so ~fAsTiNaTiNg~. it just leads to a lot of desensitization.
she also advocated for someone who killed a father in front of his family for a couple thousand dollar car.
My friend was murdered when we were 15 (14 years ago) and thought of someone eating or doing their make up while talking about her case makes me feel physically ill.
I'm so sorry for your loss :(
Sorry
I'm sorry too hear that 😔
I honestly hope you never have to see a video like that and that these people profiting off of videos like that learn to stop the act
i’m so so sorry :( it really is sick
Wow. Just wow. I actually really enjoyed Stephanie’s and baileys videos if I’m being honest, but this video made me realize how desensitized I was to those “documentaries” specially mukbangs, it is incredible disrespectful and very eerie, it makes me realize how much people mindlessly consume content. Thank you for this video, I’m glad I realized I was contributing to this sort of behavior by watching them, I will be unfollowing.
Same, it’s a relatively new realization i’ve come to.
I grew up in a true crime watching home, and a violent home. The correlation being that TC became a strange way of me saying “oh, my life could be worse”.
Now I’m 21, & I began seeing how bad it was by drawing comparisons. What if someone ate food while talking about the way I was abused as a child, monetizing it, for anyone to see? It’s ghastly. I see the way true crime RUclipsrs talk about these gruesome murders, sometimes the murders of children, toddlers… exploiting any murder is wrong, but JFC, a child? Profiting off the murder of children is diabolical. There’s a very fine line to walk there, and so many people in true crime media just love to cross it.
I’ve been watching Rotten Mango. I was like, “this is that true crime mukbanger I was seeing in thumbnails, right?” It was but she’s definitely switched it up, so I’m sticking around. But Bailey has always been a lot. “Sorry I didn’t mean to laugh” like every video. In general, though, I do have some personal issues with some of the takes these true crimers take sometimes. Like not wanting to cover children but being okay with covering adults and being goofy about it…
I just remembered something else. Cases with love triangles always have victim blamers. The person covering the case and their comment section are always on the “other woman” (WHO DIED). Or even on the man. Never on the murderer. It’s like they can relate and would do the same. Weirdos. I had to get that out after the Danielle Kirsty comment section portion started.
I had the same experience I didn’t know she even had the other channel but wow the difference between the channels is astonishing
Bailey is just far too much, not all true crime ppl are horrible but Bailey is truly too much and I think ppl just let it go for her because of her looks and aesthetic if I’m being honest. I remember that’s how ppl were with young dumb honey bun for the longest time and it’s just gross.
After personally experiencing the heart wrenching horror of having a loved one being murdered 2 years ago I have not been able to look at true crime the same way ever since. All of these “stories” about these victims were real people with real families and friends that loved them and grieved and screamed and sobbed and had to heal for months and years. True crime being used as entertainment is absolutely sickening and it makes me upset to think that this was a genre that I used to enjoy, the lack of empathy and the desensitization to the pain of others is truly shocking and needs to be talked about more.
So sorry that happened to you. Sending my love
....and there it is.
There would absolutely be NO True Crime fandom AT ALL if these people had to suffer the same pain as you did. They see every person involved as a character in a show......and the victim as some minor b character that was murdred for the sake of the story to go forward. They are the main character without really thinking about it and everyone else is just an extra.
they wouldnt feel that way at all if it was them with the pain.
I'm so sorry for your loss.
Honestly same. I've looked at true crime so differently and feel so bad for intriguing in something that people's families had to deal with, and basically exploiting the victim and their trauma. I lost 2 family members so suddenly and still arent sure of what happened. That just made me see that i had done the same to some families, never let them get the closure they wanted bc i watched people like Bailey and Danielle that kept the stories alive.
thank you for your insight and I hope you manage well in everyday life, thankfully I've never had something like that happen to me, and I can't even imagine how horrible that's like, hope you're doing okay
I also like to watch true crime, but was stating to feel iffy about the whole thing and took a step back a few months ago, content is destroying our brains and my lack of self awareness was just as scary, I am changing, once again, I wish you many happy and peaceful years to come
True Crime youtuber : "...and this was then that the policemen found her lifeless body after weeks of starvation.
However, she would have never starved if she had usED TODAYS SPONSOR : HELLO FRESH !"
the fact that this is a common occurrence in MANY tc youtubers’ videos is sickening
the fact that i know who that is makes me cringe 💀
@@immkk1125Grazytv ?
@@immkk1125Bailey right?
omg the way they put in sponsors is truly disgusting
The Stephanie Soo clips really horrify me. She's just stuffing her face with McDonalds and laughing about how her friend can't say the victim's name, then renames him because she can't be bothered to look up the pronunciation. The "Mateuszzzz" part infuriates me.
Her fans will attack u. Memelous was brutally attacked by them for calling their "sweetheart mukbanger" insensitive. 🙄
someone got murdered and while telling their story you make fun of their name while eating mcdonalds is horrible
@@momochan15 who gives a crap about fans. they are random ppl on the internet. they don't change my mind. just because she came out the winner against nickado doesn't mean she's blameless. never could stand mukbangs and something about true crime videos like hers rubbed me the wrong way and that's ok. I'm glad I'm not a mindless drone. thinking for yourself is one of the best things ppl can learn.
Yeah the first videos I watched from her were the ones at the start of the BLM protests where she covered things like adultification and police being sloppier with black people’s cases. She seemed to genuinely care so much and took them so seriously. No joking around and keeping a serious sad look on her face. Then she went back to her old style of videos being casual and somewhat comedy. I was horrified how she could be so casual talking about murders. Like I get the racism adds more to it but murder is still dark af
Literally. People have more respect when pronouncing the names of their anime waifus and true crime gurus discussing brutal topics have the audacity to mock a victim’s name and how they can’t pronounce it while stuffing their face with steak ribs. Appalling at the worst and tone deaf at the best.
I used to kid myself that I only watched 'respectful' true crime youtubers, but over the past 3 years or so I've come to the conclusion that there is no such thing. We try to justify it by saying we want to stay alert, keep ourselves safe- but that is pure BS. We just want to gawk at the spectacles, we want to cringe at the gory details, get enraptured by a story. Once I realised that, I stopped watching true crime completely. That is not the kind of person I want to be.
im happy for u. not everyone can realize this. i hope ur doing well.
yup, i used to really love true crime and swore that because i was watching the likes of kendall and eleanor that i’m being respectful when actually, it’s just not possible. the entire genre exists to take advantage of other people’s trauma.
Same, I used to listen to and watch loads of true crime (like, in my ears most of the time) and I realised I was doing it as a sort of self harm. When I realised how disrespectful and gross it was, I stopped.
Exactly. People just need to justify the things they do. People can't admit that it's a form of entertainment for them. I did the same thing. People are doing it in the comment section too. I think the increase in true crime is also desensitizing people and they don't even realize it.
Simply watching true crime doesn't make you a horrible person. It's ok to watch if the victim's family gave permission to raise awareness
In Brene Brown's book "I Thought It Was Just Me," she perfectly sums up the problematic psychology behind consuming crime as entertainment. Like so many people say it's "helping" them to learn what to avoid, to "recognize" dangerous people, but all it is really doing is giving a false sense of comfort. "If the victim in this story did x, y, z thing wrong, I know I would never get fooled like that." But the reality is crime is unavoidable. People are born into abusive families. You happen to be in a specific place at just the wrong time. It's too much for people to simply accept that and focus on other sociolegal issues like children not having the proper sex education to arm themselves from being groomed or not being taught about healthy relationship dynamics across the board. We need more anger management, emotional regulation training, and substance abuse help. No amount of changing your running schedule will ever prevent you from experiencing a violent crime. I think people who enjoy true crime are ultimately in it for solace at best and smugness at worst. And there’s a big difference from modern “true crime” as told on social media vs documentary work and special news reports. The news usually helps promote active cases and cold cases within their local communities. The Murdoch family podcast is a great example of a small local journalist helping bring up cold cases and cover the current case and she helped so many more people get justice. Makeup and murder is not the same type of true crime at all.
That’s over generalizing.
That's definitely not it. Not everyone consumes true crime content for that reason. It can be helpful for opening cold cases, looking for missing persons, remembering victims etc. To generalize everyone who consumes true crime is just misleading and doesn't help anyone. Also that wasn't the point of this video.
Super reductive. True crime (when done well) focuses just as much, if not more, on the legal proceedings as any grisly murder details, and that kind of thing is extremely valuable to learn about. Most Americans, for example, will be on a jury at one point or another. Knowing how to navigate the law and being able to spot sleight of hand on the part of the attorneys, which one may well absorb from true crime content, could end up making a huge difference in determining a verdict. Again, not saying a lot of the big names in true crime handle the material with the delicacy and thoroughness they should, but it’s unhelpful to dismiss the whole genre as being somehow vapid and self-indulgent.
@@rachellamont3594not true with the point of this video. I’m also a journalist and there is a night and day difference between how the news covers crime and how documentaries from big media companies cover crime and how social media influencers cover crime. He isn’t talking about BBC documentaries here, it’s the folks watching crime as entertainment. There’s sometimes cold cases being brought up, but then there’s like 300 retellings of Jeffrey Dahmer. I work with people who work directly with survivors to tell their stories respectfully and there’s lots of people consuming this content that is blatantly disrespectful in their tone.
@@bobbycoleman-co7mcnot really, this video is about the true crime influencers. I highly recommend Brené Brown’s book but it’s written from her perspective where in a conversation with her husband about a crime he was working on for his job he frustratedly clarified there was nothing about the victim’s situation that could be prevented so stop asking. This isn’t about just watching the news, it’s about those people who make shit like “My favorite murder” and cover true crime flippantly.
I am a forensic scientist and this is actually detrimental to us. You get jury pools who think that they are “investigators” so they come to our testimonials thinking they know everything. When what we say doesn’t line up with their expectation of the science (which is a lot more boring and math heavy than most people think) it can cause a subconscious bias. We learned about it in my master’s degree program. We call it the CSI effect
Plus, most true crime content (especially the stuff targeted to women) tends to be more about fear mongering so you buy a home security system than actually receiving accurate, pertinent info.
remove the jury, it clearly rarely works
@@november6344 I agree but we also have a huge problem with bias judges
Our justice system is incredibly flawed in general
@@ruminationstation4200 I think the problem is also how and where people look for true crime, cause good documentarys work to show the fails of this types of behavior, understand that the judiciary system is broken and that most victms of this events were target because they were minorities and soo had less chance to be actually looked for by the police when going missing. A good true crime documentary shouldn't focus on the murderer but in how us as a society keep failing in protect the victms or even in bringing justice to the families and how instead we sencionalize this crimes and just make things worse.
Thiiiiis. I love true crime but recently I was listening a podcast that had a guest who was ANOTHER TRUE CRIME PODCASTER like she's an expert. She absolutely added nothing but emotional hyping and her "theories".
I had a professor who's daughters were tortured and murdered by a serial killer. She had to take a multi-year break from teaching to deal with her trauma. After hearing about how deeply it's ruined her life, it really makes true crime feel extra disgusting and horrible.
Omg I hope they are doing fine. Seriously I hope the best for that person.
Oh my god that sounds terrible, I hope she's doing better now/gen
LooL if you are a decent human being you don't need to hear to know that something like that is going to ruin your life forever.
An aunt of mine was brutally killed by her husband a few years ago and the idea of one of these true crime kids talking about her while not giving a fuck about her or the fact that her already traumatised kids could see it one day infuriates me even though we werent close. I cant imagine what these families feel seeing this shit everywhere
@@misspollysdolly My university lecturer was recently murdered by her husband and i feel the exact same way. Murder always seems like such a surreal thing to happen until someone close to you passes because of it. The idea that living family members could see these events trivialised is sickening :/
I used to watch Bailey religiously when I first started watching true crime. I thought she was funny and she made the story feel like gossip. I was also a freshman in high school with a very poor grasp on what's respectful in true crime. Then I stumbled upon Eleanor Neale's content and she showed me how cases SHOULD be handled. She gives the victims and their families so much respect and everything is so matter of fact while still being interesting. I think Bailey seems to be a decent person, but she has a problem with time and place. She's funny and has a light hearted personality but talking about someone's gruesome murder isn't the best time to show that and make jokes.
Thats why I hate Bailey cause she does make it feel like gossip. I happy you found someone better.
i stopped watching her murder videos because of all that & I realized true crime is not something i want to consume any more. I only watch her dark history videos they are so much better for many reasons
Agreed, she was my first dip into the yt true crime genre and tbh I was watching her religiously for awhile but at a certain point it just felt.... gossipy and less documentary and educational and haven't been able to watch anymore....I've never seen Stephanie's muckbung(sry idk how to spell it) so i can't speak on those but i thought she gave alot of empathy however I may have to review her channel
@@hfhrhskwnfngjrnrnrjyes the dark history is where it's at bc I'll be honest I learned a lot in that section of her account
Eleanor posts videos like “the corpse under the bed” when talking about a little boy murdered… how is she any better 💀
I started a forensics degree (didn't finish it) and everyone had such a bizarre attitude towards cases like these. People were foaming at the mouth for crime scene pictures, the bloodier the better, it was foul. During an orientation exercise, a lecturer asked people to give the reason they wanted to go into forensics. There were approx 70 of us, and every single one of them (bar one) said they loved true crime.
FINALLY SOMEONE SAYS IT. I’ve been so conflicted for so long by this content. I went to college at FSU, where Ted Bundy horrifically m*rdered sorority sisters at the Chi Omega house. To this day, people will creepily visit that house NOT for the victims and their families, but… for BUNDY. Makes me sick. Their names were Lisa Levy and Margaret Bowman. They don’t deserve to be turned into a tourist side show,
That's so scary - I feel like the school should do more to keep that place respected
I go to UW where Ted Bundy went to school, and to this day a lot of students jokingly call McMahon Hall, where he dormed, Ted Bundy Hall. Honestly it's pretty rude now that I think about it, but at least it isn't some, like, creepy tourist attraction or anything. The school even refuses to tell anyone which exact room he was in out of respect so that no one specifically goes to that room to "ghost hunt" for his victims or anything
Right? My dad was friends with Kimberlee Diane Leach and his girlfriend's dad was Ken Robinson, who found her. Her family was devastated and ppl make him out to be cool and interesting
There are famous people who are bad, people can be interested in the history without glorifying it.
If everyone who visits FSU says Ted Bundy was a great guy, or are those weirdos who become enamoured with serial killers then yeah that's awful but just being interested doesn't automatically make them a bad person. Like not everyone who visits Auschwitz is like "go Mengele, what a great stand up guy!"
@@NotAnotherKuromi i understand what you’re trying to say, but i think you may have slightly missed the point op was trying to make
I didn’t even realize how bad this stuff is…like I can’t imagine having a loved one brutally murdered or r@ped and someone is talking about it while eating pizza and just non chalantly making jokes
Yeah and also the fact that they are making money and talking all cheery during their sponsors like they aren’t about to talk about someone who has tragically died 🤨
Hi there! I know this comment is a little old, but the murder of a family friend was covered by a few of these channels. I personally feel that the only people who covered it even slightly respectfully was the My Favorite Murder podcast (idk what the rest of their episodes are like). I really hope her daughters don’t find this stuff. Their mother was a human, not a character in a novel, and they deserve to remember her for who she was, not who a bunch of 20 somethings think she was.
id probably sue them
@@kim-ci1ld "Today we'll be talking about THE CANNIBAL MURDERER, but first a word from our sponsor Hello Fresh :D"
Personally I'd be okay with it, but I'm also aware other people have different boundaries than myself and that it's disrespectful to just assume that's a thing that's on the table.
i used to watch bailey sarian back in 2018 or so when i was in high school, but stopped because of the reasons you brought up. not to mention, consuming so much true crime really started taking a toll on my mental health. it’s crazy to me, looking back, as to how immature i was then to not immediately see what was wrong with the picture. just goes to show that even if you’re 17 and you think “oh i’m mature”….you still got room to grow.
saaame i only watch her dark history series now
Im glad stephanie soo now no longer talks about true crime on her mukbang channel and actually hired multiple researchers for her podcast to make sure she got all her facts down. I loved her vlogs but her main channel never sat right with me bc of the true crime but now its just fun gossip stories. I feel like she recognized she was wrong and made a transition!
idk, I still feel rotten mango is weird and exploitative. she puts on this ridiculous dramatic voice and something about it really rubs me the wrong way. like this isn't a drama. this is a real victim and a real family who really grieved.
if you keep on searching you can still see her mukbang with true crime on those yt shorts on her main channel.
Idk the rotten mango channel rubs me the wrong way. Like she puts on a performance, makes her voice more dramatic and tells the tragedies like they're stories
I find her videos to be very exploitative. The titles are gory and disrespectful (the recent couch one as an example), and she tells it like it is some rando story ("this person went to school like everyday, thinking about how great the weather was", as an example). You can't do that to real and serious events
I am speaking as one of the fans of the three RUclipsrs mentioned in this video (before I watched this video, that is) and I really think that though Stephanie stopped eating while talking about other people's traedies, she still makes them feel like a movie and not stories of real people. I am kind of questioning RUclips as a whole at this point. But, it's better to be confused and aware than not aware at all.
my jaw dropped when stephanie soo started making fun of the way they pronounced the victim's name. the amount of disrespect and insensitivity, good god. unbelievable.
edit: jaw dropped again upon hearing kelly clarkson describe in-depth conversations of tragedies as "juiciest details" and saying that the idea of combining this with doing your makeup is "hilarious".
KELLY CLARKSON THE SINGER????
@@mophead_xu yup she has her own talk show i think and one of the true crime youtubers got invited for making those typa videos
@@valkai4966 ahh yes! i made that comment before finishing the vid, then when i got to the clarkson show part i understood your comment.
i couldnt be arsed to scroll far down on the comment section to update my initial reply though lmfao. 😭 but thanks for responding anw!
Stephanie soo if you see this don’t let it discourage you! It can be a mental note to be more respectful and approach how you tell serious stories more but don’t listen to the other hateful comments here. Your fans know that you’ve tried your best. Don’t change a single thing about your personality because you shine a light for so many others, and in being so vulnerable and sensitive like you are, sometimes, becomes like an anchor for others who are the same way. I know you laugh when you’re extremely uncomfortable and joking is your coping mechanism and you constantly remind us that especially when it’s a serious story, I understand because it’s mine as well. It’s been noted that sometimes that’s not appropriate and we all have things to work on. Constructive criticism here is okay but bashing someone as I’ve seen in this comment section, is not. I’ve seen the other comments in this section and it’s so much hate besides the consensus that there is something wrong here. Please think and be more kind before you post, although someone may have made a mistake they’re human too.
@@MyShadowQueen You keep spamming this same comment. Nobody is trying to hate on her, it's called constructive criticism.
The amount of victim blaming I have seen in the true crime community is astounding. Especially with the cases of Shannan Watts and Travis Alexander.
Omg and the women who say they’re in love with Chris Watts 🤮🤮
Travis did suck tho
Unfortunately victim blaming is normal in general 😭😭 it's a way for ppl to feel safe. Better for someone to think they did something to cause what happened to them then to think absolutely nothing caused it.
Yes! Or the fact family isn’t contacted prior to. Kendal on here is actually able to sometimes able to contact family/get as much info as posisble. I did enjoy crimes of passion or medical murders because it does highlight how much the murderers are absolute monsters. But in the end I think we should leave these people alone unless it is to raise money or highlight something like the Oakley (think her last name is right), where her body isn’t found and Kendal highlights how CPS needs to be held accountable. Similar to the Gabriel Fernandez case
@@User-hg1jk he did, but he didn't deserve to be murdered
People forgot that other people exist sometimes. For example, all the shit that went down with Jeffrey dalmer last year.
He seems like a fictional character now due to all the movies and series. I remember seeing people "cosplay" and recreate scenes from the show. They just straight up forgot there are real people behind the murders
For Halloween last year some 12 year olds on scooters, not dressed up as anything but clearly going around to houses, kept calling me and my friends the f slur and kept threatening us and calling themselves Jeffery Dalmer.
My friends and I had pride flags. And the group I was with was around 20 people (it was a party). Those kids were very bold, but not so bold when the organisers father "took a picture of them" and was "calling the cops".
Also more related to you comment, I saw someone get his face tattooed somewhere, and someone was joking but probably not joking about naming their child after him.
@@AutisticFrogsOh my god imagine growing up and finding out your parents named you after *Jeffrey fucking Dahmer*
there was a random youtuber who was in my recommended on RUclips shorts (of course) and I thought her content was sort of funny but then she made a video when that show was popular calling him jeff like he was a quirky character
and how the victims' families weren't notified about this documentary coming out.
I saw a male led true crime channel yesterday that "covered" Madison Scott's disappearance and likely murder. This guy was "theorizing" about the motive for her murder... he is saying that she was on drugs and then gave his reasons for saying that she must have owed money to a dealer and at one point he says that he knows that her family probably wouldn't like what he's saying but he also says HE. DOESN'T. CARE.
I left a comment that he should hold onto that mentality when one of HIS OWN relative is up for grabs and scumbags online give unintelligent and completely off base ideas based on speculative rumor-mongering at best or just pure SCHEISSE at worst. He will then not be upset at all when they are blamed for their own murder...right?
As someone from Poland who had heard of the case of Mateusz Kawecki my jaw dropped when they made fun of his name. This case was heartbreaking and so recent! If you really struggle so much with the pronunciation just play the sound bite ffs. Would be better than changing his name to an american version. I get that our language and names are hard but there are ways to get around it in a manner that isn't just plainly disrespectful.
fellow Polish person here, I agree so much. haven't heard of Mateusz Kawecki's case and this whole situation regarding the video but that's messed up...
it infuriates me when people do those things. if you can't sound it out thats fine, but you can listen to someone say it
would have taken them ZERO effort to refer to him as "the victim" or learn to pronounce it correctly
His name is not even hard to pronounce in that sense. Maybe you get the emphasis wrong but it's far from a hard name to pronounce, they're just trying to be cute.
I've seen so many who just blatantly don't care how to look up certain names because "teehee"
@@ghostoflazlo totally agree
I went to school with Elisa Lam but didn't really know her. I was, however, friends with her parents. I worked nextdoor to their diner and we went there for lunch every day. They were such lovely people and always so happy to see us. Sometimes I'd even get a free Coke with my grilled cheese.
I legitimately tensed up when the mukbang people brought up "elevator footage from 2013". I do every time that case gets brought up cause it's always so sensationalized and all I can think about is the quiet closure of a diner and the heartbreaking loss of its owners. I genuinely can't even imagine how those directly effected by those kind of cases feel...
I hate true crime :(
Elisa Lam's death was used as inspiration for the story of YIIK (Y2K). The character who gets abducted in an elevator by extraterrestrial beings is even painted as a love-interest for the protagonist.
I just...why?
@@plutonix5792 Yeah stuff like that happens a lot with that case...I remember listening to some r/NoSleep dramatic readings back in like 2016 when this one story started that was just a straight up retelling of the whole event but with a weirdly sexually aggressive ghost being the cause...I straight up couldn't finish it
@@plutonix5792 That game as a whole was awful but the fact that the creator based the love interest and story on Elisa Lam and had the audacity to try to defend it when people called him out for it was the most disgusting part of it.
(hugs you)
I apologize, both to you and to Elisa's family, because I totally have been guilty of consuming sensationalized content around Elisa Lam. Just now I'm realizing how much that's part of the problem.
Netflix releasing the Loch Henry episode of black mirror while also traumatizing families with the documentaries they’ve made is insane to me
The « female » make-up True Crime genra has a « male » twin: the FPS True Crime genra, where a guy talks about a case while shooting virtual humans in first person in a video game.
I watched some of Stephanie Soo's videos on her RottenMango channel and actually really liked them. She was being respectful towards the victims and took time to debunk certain theories. She even did some deep dives into certain topics like ghost brides. I thought it was really good. Then, I switch to her Stephanie Soo channel and see her doing muk bang or whatever those eating-videos are called and I'm like ????
yeahh that’s exactly what happened with me as well. honestly i don’t even know what to think 💀
I experienced the same thing and I was very disappointed
I think she changed her content on her Stephanie soo channel. At first she used to make true crime videos there but then she started doing more controversy/drama about people and only makes true crime videos on her rotten mango channel
Same, i was confused too
My exact thoughts, I was disgusted.
i'm so glad someone made a video about this. just because true-crime is mainstream and enjoyed by millions doesn't mean the subject matter isn't extremely sensitive. Imagine yourself applying makeup or eating a meal while recounting these events to the victims family.
My dad wasn't murdered but if I saw somebody talk about how he died while joking around and doing a mukbang I would try to fight them no questions asked. I can't imagine how violated someone related to a murder victim would feel.
But it’s already public information so that’s not really the same is it. It’s not like they’re delivering breaking news while putting their makeup on
Well, I would disagree with some parts. Bailey Sarian who does put makeup on while talking about crime has been upfront about raising awareness and shutting down audiences who demand “more entertaining” crime stories. She is actually very sensitive about this issues and slammed those who thinks her topics are not sensitive or gore enough.
Edit: I would agree for most of the part that Bailey did some things wrong too- with the bee part and that one video where she got too disrespectful of the situation. However, I think this video is fair enough with reminding influencers like her to bring it down a notch to remain that level of respect. I have been one of her early audience, and she has that sense of consideration with the issues, and her recent ones could have been to reach for more audiences (ofc, money pays the bills, let’s admit that). What we could do is to remind ‘em that this is wrong.
This is why I like Eleanor Neale- she's so much more respectful and kind. She talks about the lives of the victims and speaks about how they were good people. She talks thoroughly about the cases and the people around it. She sits down in the video pretty stationary, not doing her make up or eating. I'd recommend her.
Let's not pretend this isn't entertainment, why is it not ok to talk about true crime while doing other stuff? Victims family is unlikely to consume content like that or about their case anyway.
Its made me so uncomfortable for a long time how people combine serious topics and un- serious activities. I remember a couple of years ago hanging out with my friend and we watched some beauty guru she liked (might've been bailey i dont remember but she looks familiar) and I thought it was kind of weird but I couldnt put my finger on it. I saw the title for this video and it finally clicked! Its the twisted morality! The lack of empathy towards the victim and the family. Its truly a twisted genre of youtube, along with family, couple, and harmful prank channels. Its pretty worrying, the disconnect of reality and the internet. I think the Internet is a pretty big player in the disconnect of empathy we have these days.
I think it’s also pretty telling how Stephanie Soo will change the victims names 9/10 times if it’s a foreign case and their names r unfamiliar to her, it rly shows that these cases are nothing more than little stories to her
I found her channel recently and have been put off by this too. it especially doesn't make sense to me because she usually has no trouble pronouncing their names so why change them??
@@sleepyghostgirlcause of lawsuits.
She probably changes the names so it would be easier for the audience to follow the story. She changes Korean names too which are not unfamiliar to her obviously since she’s Korean herself
She typically only does it if A. the victim's name(s) was not released, B. The full name is quite wordy (consider the three syllable names of China and Korea) or C. to avoid lawsuits. And in most cases she just shortens the names or labels the victims as a letter corresponding to their name
she doesn’t do that… she only changes names to non-name identifiers when 1) she’s talking about a child peripheral to the case, 2) the person’s name is not in public records (foreign countries have different laws or some ppl just want to distance themselves from the event), or 3) saying their name could make grounds for a lawsuit (foreign countries have different laws). outside of true crime, she changes FICTIONAL CHARACTERS’ names to make it easier for a western audience to keep up with all the characters in a retelling of a book or show or movie.
When I was in primary school one of boys in my class lost both of his parents in a murder suicide, and it was all over the news. His dad killed his mum and then hung himself in the backyard. As kids, him and his older sister were obviously traumatised but within such a short time of it happening there were documentaries and crime shows based on his family already airing on many of our most popular channels here in Australia. This kid had just lost his family and now he had to deal with adults making a show out of his mums murder and his dads suicide when he was barely 10 years old. It was horrible that as just a kid he couldn’t get away from seeing his parents pictures everywhere.
Im sorry but i haven’t thought of this in a long time & this reminded me.The families of the victims in true crime stories in reality can’t escape the horrors of what happened once it’s covered everywhere like it’s a show.
Oh my god! This is horrific!
That is absolutely terrible! Is the kid okay now?
@@Wince_Media I’m sorry but honestly I don’t know. He was taken out of school after awhile because some boys were bullying him so we never saw him again. This happened when we were around 9-10 and now we’re 23 and I pray time has helped but that amount of trauma is insane to even comprehend 😔 I really hope he’s doing okay, he was a good kid and deserved so much better
@@aminah.gonzalez9993 holy shit... people were BULLYING him over this!?
@@Wince_Media Children are capable of both the most vulnerability and the most cruelty of us all.
Its crazy to me that that person said that it was shitty he wasted 5 years in a relationship with her. They were in there early-mid 20s and she murdered him, she wasted his entire life.
Honestly, she could've left him at any time. She could've discussed it with him and as soon as he says he's not interested in marrying, ditch him... not kill him. So stupid. I pray his eternal soul isn't damned. Lord Jesus have mercy on him.
@@catholicfemininity2126 exactly. God I hate this narrative that people have of "I wasted X amount of years of my life with this person." If you want a specific thing and you're waiting forever for your partner to cmoe around, thats on you for waiting. If you want kids/marriage don't pressure someone to have kids/get married for years and then get pissed that they never come around. Find someone who wants kids and wants to get married.
I hate when people try to excuse cheating or being a non abusive shitty partner for murder. Especially when they will excuse it when a woman kills a cheating partner, but when a man does they are upset.
Exactly. And when they used the murderer's "heartbreak" as a justification for her crime?! Pardon? We've all been disappointed or heartbroken at some point in our lives, but we didn't kill anyone because of it. There's an obvious blurred line between empathy and sympathy here that's gross and borderline manipulative. Empathy shouldn't be used as an excuse to justify murder. Period.
@@Zectifin reminds me of how people said Michelle Branch did nothing wrong when she assaulted her husband because ALLEGEDLY he cheated on her. "oh well no charges were filed either" yes because how many times in cases of domestic violence does the spouse press charges 🙃
I loved that when you talked about cases you blurred out the killer’s names. Taking away their names takes away their power and returns that to the victims. It was a lot more respectful than most true crime iterations I’ve seen.
The worst one I saw was Soo talking about the horrible torture-death of toddler. She was halfway through explaining the toddlers extreme injuries (the baby wasn’t dead yet so was suffering) and was like “her internal organs were bleeding and her liver was actually ruptured… omg these mango things are so juicy” and started slurping on them really loud O_O she just sat there slurping on them for over a minute like it must have been an editing fail or something? Her video had autoplayed while I was busy, then I got interested in the case so didn’t turn it off - but yeah those mukbang true crime channels are on another level of awful.
Ps there’s heaps of men who are huge in the true crime genre on RUclips. Some of the most popular true crime channels are men.
In my personal opinion true crime content shouldn't be fun. When done properly it's gonna be fairly unpleasant. It can be interesting and even entertaining, but certainly not... fun...
Coffee House Crime seems pretty alright with what they do. The videos are always very straightforward, focusing on what happened and not their opinions
Yes, like learning about Junko Furuta’s case, I was extremely unsettled. No way I could’ve been eating, doing makeup, or anything else while learning about it. Even when learning about other cases that are less severe, I can’t imagine just talking about it like some sort of gossip. I was always put off by these kinds of true crime channels, and didn’t really think about why until now.
BTW Ready 2 Glare is a really good channel for true crime whenever she makes videos about it. She’s respectful and doesn’t put her own emotions into it, or try sympathizing with the killer (which should be the bare minimum, I know) and she puts a lot of good research into every video, otherwise she won’t put it out to begin with. Highly recommend. 👍
@F1TXYL i disagree. i often listen to true crime podcasts or videos that actually take themselves and the cases very seriously, and despite it being an uncomfortable experience to listen to what victims had gone through, it's still intriguing. morbid curiosity is a thing 🤷🏻♀️
@@waspywasp451 same with criminally listed
@F1TXYL I think there's a difference between "fun" and "fascinating". I like true crime content because it's fascinating, not because it's fun.
Honestly I am not gonna lie this topic is extremely personal to me, my uncle was murdered so my family knows what it is like for many of the individuals left behind and there are a lot of creators who are disrespectful to them and there loss and that is what gets to me. The pain never truly goes away it only dulls and to have these kids take it a part like it is nothing just adds to everything.
I'm so sorry for your loss, you're incredibly strong for speaking up about this. I really hope you and your family are doing okay
So sorry to hear that. Hope you and your family be strong
I'm so sorry for your loss. I stopped watching true crime on RUclips because I thought about people in your situation and how upset I would be if someone was applying makeup and giggling. I've lost people so important to me but not through a crime. The thought of someone gleefully recounting the details of their death would upset me to no end. I'm sorry.
I feel you! My grandma was also killed, and before her death I loved true crime, now I just think about how I would feel if someone talked about her that way. Especially the ASMR, mukbangs, and ridiculous costumes. Just being a “true crime fan” is so strange...
@@leathyrastadaas I really feel that. I wasn’t a particularly big fan of true crime on RUclips, but now all of it leaves a sour taste in my mouth. My aunt was killed by her husband and if I ever saw someone covering it the way a lot of these creators do (making jokes, doing their make up, eating tons of food), I think I’d lose my mind. Victims aren’t for people’s entertainment. They have families who love and miss them
I think they can only be so cavalier because they think this kind of thing only ever happens to the hypothetical “someone else” and just are completely incapable of true empathy and imagining what it’s like to go through it yourself or someone you caring about deeply like a family member going through it, or what their families are still going through, and how it’s a part of their lives forever.
Probably true, but then also the audience often take it to heart. The people I know who are into true crime are much more cautious about these things that happen so extremely rarely. Is that a positive? I don't really know. I suppose you either dissociate from the reality of it, or become very aware.
this is why i give more respect to eleanor neale because she just sits there and tells the story and doesnt make jokes, or mix it with anything. she just sits there and talks about it amd humanizes the victims. its refreshing to see someone who doesnt just completely disrespect other peoples trauma and profit off of it. sure she does make money but she doesnt do it solely for that purpose.
I think the worst thing is that they treat true crime as gossip, which is disrespectful to the victims and everyone involved and you're right about women consuming true crime as a cautionary tale.
yes exactly and worse they make jokes about the dead
Women are using fear as a excuse to gossip about murder. Men are victims of violent crime more often than women.
That’s what AnnaSolves does. Terrible BBC Handel
This is literally it. I stopped watching Bailey Because she talks like she’s telling gossip ( which I don’t judge her for) but I had to stop and think would I want my death/murder talked about like this? The answer is a resounding no.
Yes we do it’s gossip and I’ll talk ab it and watch it erryday
I’m so glad you brought up Kendall Rae, I swear she’s one of the only people in the true crime community who actually reacts like a human and genuinely cares about the families. Like she takes “giving people a platform” to the next level by featuring family members and having them tells the stories rather than just speaking for them.
Yeh she was so lovely when she expected her fans to send her money to pay for her mansion renovations and then slagged off her audience that didn’t participate whilst she was on a cruise in Australia
another person i recommend that handles true crime v respectfully is Wendigoon, if anyone's interested :))
@@genericuser4162 what??? Proof please lol
@@trashheathen7371 oh dear - You missed all that drama? I was a follower back when she was a make up channel lol - go do some research i’d start here: ruclips.net/video/qTY4cH-_oxY/видео.html after that I ain’t Google, just know she posted that video while living it up on her cruise in Australia.
danelle hallan is extremely respectful as well i recommended watching her
I'm a woman, and I definitely looked to true crime for years as a "best practices" guide for protecting myself. But eventually, I got a weird gut feeling about the sensationalism around it. You're spot on with your critiques: most of these stories are presented by bored-looking amateurs who relate more to the perpetrators than to the victims. It's beyond gross and promotes victim-blaming to the max.
i’m really glad that stephanie has accepted this criticism and changed her channel. even though it was what she was SUPPOSED to do, i really appreciate that she adopted an appropriate tone, separated true crime from her main channel, and takes careful steps during the research process for accuracy and proper cultural context. if this was one of the videos that helped her be self aware, i’m so glad you took the time to make it
There is an insane lack of empathy to be doing this in the first place. I would never be able to have it sit right watching her content no matter how many changes she tries to make because it's unnatural and only a response to backlash.
I disagree with you. I watched her video on the burning sun case because I had forgotten some of the details and she just keeps being so dramatic and trying to make things sound way more shocking for the audience. Also watched another recent video where she just keeps detailing injuries and graphic details unnecessarily
I know plenty of women who ended up not getting proposed to after a long relationship, yet they never even once thought to commit murder.
Anyone supporting this lady is unhinged.
Not only that but people get divorced after years of marriage. People break up all the time. Not everyone murders over it. Acting like a sob story makes it okay is the thought process of a vapid loser.
Bro anyone that has divorced parents(were neither of the parents are killers) are proof of this! Hell my parents were together for 10+ years and had a kid(me) and they didn't even get married. My mother did not off my father because they didn't get married after 10+ years, nor when they split😑
Not to mention the people she dated aren’t obligated to have kids with her just cause she’s been in a relationship with them for so long! She should just date someone else who wants to have kids and leave it as that!
Stephanie Soo when Nikocado Avocado take pictures in her house: 🥺😭😳😰😱😰😰🥺🥺🥺😭
Stephanie Soo when learning about horrific actions committed against her fellow humans: 😂😅🤭😜😋🍔🍟🍕🥪
This! I always found she over did it with her tears in the Nikocado drama.
@@dangerislander thank you for saying it
@@dangerislander I'm glad someone feels the same way. I said this when it was all going down and got absolutely slammed for it.
you shouldn't leave comment in her channel. so many of her followers will screw you over. they may like her appearance or already brainwash by her innocence image that she make.
@@Violet70725 she mad a new channel and now she's more serious and doesn't eat while doing that. I really like her videos
i only found stephanie soo’s second channel where she does “baking a mystery” and tells _fictional_ stories of mystery/horror _books and films_ and she’s a great story teller and i loved her but wow i did not know she did this with *true crime* she has the exact same attitude with both and just wow 😢
I’m probably one of the least serious people in the world, I rarely get offended by things, but jfc the true crime mukbangs, makeup tutorials, baking lessons, etc are all just a big hard NOPE for me. I can’t help but imagine how the family and friends of the victim must feel, knowing videos like these exist. They just seem so tone deaf.
I’m blind (use a screenreader to navigate my phone), and so I guess I have a unique perspective in that I can’t see the creators doing their make up (I absolutely detest mukbangs in general due to those horrible mouth noises, let alone the true crime mukbangs - just vile). I felt sooooo uncomfortable with Bailey’s supposed ‘humour’, but had never really thought about Danielle’s content because I never saw her doing her make up. I think it’s really disrespectful though - thank you for bringing this to light for me.
You seem so cool 😎
@@bbw283 I'm sure she is but idk how you could get that just from her comment lol
that's so cool wtf
100% agree with the mouth noises. i have misophonia, so even if i wanted to watch a mukbang video i still wouldn't be able to without having a panic attack lmao
My sister has Misophonia, sounds such as smacking, kissing noises, whispering & whistling put her in a pretty much blind rage....she tries desperately to control it (in situations where she can't quickly leave).... I've seen her cry over it, it's a strange disorder, but otherwise she is a perfectly fine, well-adjusted person.
@@ironsnowflake1076 it's very difficult. the sound of snoring is my biggest trigger. i can hear it in my legs and feel it on my arms. i've had moments where i'd be on the floor sobbing because my brother would refuse (knowing that i wouldn't lay a hand on him) to close his door at night and i couldn't explain how i could practically smell his snoring. the problem was that unlike him, _i_ was unable to close my own door because we lived in a small apartment and we had to keep my cat's litterbox in my room ☠️
my brother not listening to my pleas hurts to this day, but the intrusive thoughts scare me the most. the idea of hurting someone - even someone who instigated things knowing that any breakdown could end in me hurting myself - terrifies me and i tend to take my anger out on myself, so whenever intrusive thoughts tell me to do something harmful i freak out. usually, i think of just hurting myself when the noise triggers me - bashing my head with a hammer, growing out my fingernails long enough to scratch my face and arms until i'm unrecognizable, jumping off my roof in hopes that the concrete will bash my head open as a way to relieve my ears, but even moreso as punishment for daring to think about hurting someone.
(obviously, my brother can't control his snoring. but i'm always accommodating when it comes to him and his own triggers and that really f's with my head, y'know?)
i really hope your sister is doing well! i feel bad, but hearing that i'm not alone in this reminds me that i'm not the only person in the world who feels this. i really, genuinely hope she is able to work on things and become more therapeutic. she sounds like the kind of person who really struggles when it comes to the violent thoughts. i believe in her! 😤
I think a lot of people aren’t ready to hear this but you’re right. Someone attempted to murder me and if actually died and then was on some RUclipsrs story while they’re doing their make up or eating and stuff… I’d probably become a poltergeist or just upset tbh. Especially if there’s not even consent from family
Sorry for what you went through, and I’m glad you made it through.
ikr its just disrespectful
@@joearnold6881 thank you I really appreciate it
Wow, I really hope you're doing okay now! 💖
I don't see anything wrong with doing your makeup while talking about true crime but maybe it's just me honestly I think the people he mentioned actually like true crime and make up so why not do both 🤷🏿♂️
2 years late to the party but this video really put the reality of true crime sensationalism into perspective.
I used to watch Bailey and Danielle often. And it makes me feel gross looking back on it. There were episodes where I felt something they've said things in flippant ways. But highlighting the perspective of victims families, as you have done, humanizes the events.
The internet has allowed us to become desensitized to suffering, and thus causes us to view things purely from the lens of entertainment.
Thank you for this video.
I have complicated feelings about this. My mom was the victim of a crime (a stalker who escalated to murder), and I blame the police for not helping her the numerous times she reached out. It was a classic case we’ve seen millions of times: not only are the cops patronizing and misogynistic (one accused her of just being embarrassed her boyfriend came by her house… after he tried to slash her tires and broke in our garage), but even the ones who say they believed her couldn’t/wouldn’t do anything until she died. And true crime has been one of the ONLY areas talking about how the cops treat stalking victims and the endless circle. People who watch true crime can be some of the most sympathetic when I discuss this, while people who don’t watch it assume the police tried their best, or assume I’m exaggerating, or even tell me that it must be my moms fault because obviously the cops can’t be at fault. But because of some popular cases that got covered, True Crime fans not only immediately understand, but they’re angry for me and on her behalf. There are definitely a lot of true crime creators who use their influence to expose us to just how screwed up the system is. For another example that’s less personal, a lot of crime channels have exposed just how horribly the cops treat BIPOC victims, especially native american victims.
However, that’s definitely not true of the entire community. There are a lot of people who either listen to creators who don’t talk about those sorts of cases (cases involving non-white victims especially get ignored), or simply have so much cognitive dissonance that they don’t support real world cases when this happens. And even when some true crime fans are supportive, some of them (although in my experience a small amount, but ofc that’s just what i’ve seen) are supportive in the way a zoo patron is supportive of zoo animals-they don’t actually want to support me, they want me to be around because they like the thrill of knowing someone who was actually involved in a crime.
Wow I’m so sorry for you loss. 😢 Thanks for sharing your story and perspective.
If you wouldn’t feel comfortable talking to the victims family while stuffing your face or doing your makeup while discussing the horrific details of the last moments of their loved ones life then it’s probably safe to assume you are not being respectful
Which makes it feel so weird because Soo doesn't talk as much about her story anymore because she doesn't feel comfortable, and yet still makes those kinds of videos about others?
@@bobannafofanna7756her story?
the editing with the kelly clarkson show.. she described it as "so hilarious", as though it's peak entertainment. we are literally living in an episode of black mirror, victims are being turned into jesters for our comedic purposes
This 👆 idk if you'll what I'm referencing but she had a segment with demi lovato, who has openly struggled w/ mental health and such, and portrayed them as more "WeiRd aNd Out oF TouCh'" by editing a clip out of context.
@@bobannafofanna7756she is pretty damn weird in general though, since literally all celebrities are lmao
Each of these murder victims are SOMEBODY'S BABY, a close friend, a lover, a caregiver.... This RUclips money-making machine is disgusting, and I hope these content creators are ashamed of themselves when they are older.
32:11 I’ve been watching some Rotten Mango and she ALWAYS rubbed me weird… I just felt like she was way too dramatic towards the case as a whole and empathetic towards the killers. I also notice she didn’t connect the Stephanie Soo Channel to RM, but did leave Rotten Mango as a connected channel on Stephanie Soo’s page. This just shows me she knows it’s off color to post what she does on SS and finally having someone else draw the connection to the SS channel just clicked for me I could NOT remember where I knew her face from
The dramatic way she talks like it’s about a movie and the fake seeming emotions make my skin crawl a little lol
Especially bizarre is that Stephanie Soo herself was the victim of a break-in and was assaulted in her own home. She's discussed how this left her traumatised and paranoid and that the way people like Nickocado made light of her assault was traumatic for her. Imagine if a channel discussed the crime that was perpetrated against her in the same style she discusses cases. She'd be rightfully disturbed and appalled. The way these channels approach true crime is deeply unethical.
that’s honestly a really good point
True that's why when the Avocado and Soo drama came i felt nothing for her, her crying just annoyed that's what i remeber abt her
Yeah if someone ate nuggets and talked about Stephanie's trauma she'd have a heart attack
I found Stephanie Soo BECAUSE of that drama and remembering feeling SO bad for her. I didn't really watch anything from her since then and I'm appalled that this is what she puts out as content. Absolutely wild.
y'all do realize he cherry picked to the bits that would be controversial of her channel and then didn't talk much else about her because he didn't find more stuff, right? she doesn't make fun of victims and while i did not like her playing about the person's name, that's not how her recounting of the events goes. she has never sympathized with any of the murderers/rpists/ped0s and she has never joked about a victim. i have years listening (can't watch because i hate seeing people eat) to her videos and if they were like the ones with the chick doing her makeup saying she understands why that woman got mad and killed someone for not marrying her ? I would've stopped listening immediately. idc about soo as a person, because idk her she's just some content creator i listen to. but she does research and doesn't make light of the situation. so i just wanted to inform since people are going to assume she's exactly as bad as the other channels shown when she's not.
The video of the woman mispronouncing the victims name and making fun of it in the mukbang clip disgusted me so much. How can someone sit down, claiming to care about this case enough to make a whole video about it, and doesn’t even do enough research to pronounce the victims name right. On top of that, the people laughing and making fun of the name?? Absolutely disgusting.
Agreed. I can’t imagine how the family of this poor victim would feel if they ever saw that video. They were too lazy to do any research or to figure out how to pronounce their name yet they still get a bunch of views and make money off of behaving so disgustingly
@@caitlin8274 yeah shes super popular too. Her and her partner even have a spotify podcast with like 100 episodes of just the same bs.
@@caitlin8274 while I can’t support that clip , at the same time she does say about the translation research and that she had gotten a voice clip of how to pronounce his name to practice it but she was just un capable of saying it right. Also those three ppl have language bases in korean/chinese , also speak english and are then trying to pronounce a name in third language polish. Not being able to pronounce a name right isn’t bad if the effort to try was there. It was the jokes regarding the name and that lightheartedness that makes it insensitive and disrespectful, for sure, just wanted to clear up some facts on the effort thing cause i do know that creator hires translators and such so she compiles some kind of team for research
I've seen some of her videos about films and books...and even some of them she changes the names of fictional characters that she can't remember or pronounce...like there were a couple of Korean films she did as well...so I can't say I'm surprised she does it for real people's names as well...glad I kind of stopped watching her after a few videos...
@@sabrinawilson9313 she makes jokes as well
Dude, I’m not used to RUclipsrs like you who actually have integrity, but I can’t get enough ❤
i remember some tiktok true crime account (i know who but im not giving her free shoutouts) who referred to a recent case as "like a true crime case in real life". imagine being so detached from reality that not only do you make true crime content, but you also refer to real life crime as "true crime but in real life". like u rly sat there and saw real life tragedy and said "omg they made true crime (already a real thing) into a real thing!!" like it also implies that murderers exist to entertain them and that people die to entertain them its so scummy and i wish them nothing but the worst.
I think it really speaks to how they forget the "true" bit of true crime actually means something.
I recently went into Danielle Kristys comment section and under a comment of someone saying it was wrong to promote the killers book and frame them as in the right someone responded "get over it". That told me all i needed to know.
What book was she promoting?
@@RooiRokBokkiethink you missed the point or you're hoping op is dumber than they are to troll.
She's the worst imo.
Dude, EVERY video is going to have someone posting callous weird things. That doesn’t define the people who watch it. Were the rest of the comments like that or are you just basing it all on one comment?
Danielle also literally refers to people as "characters"
Sarah Turney has a podcast called voices for justice. She herself has had to deal with her own sister’s disappearance (likely murder) so I think her podcast offers a bit of nuance since she knows what it’s like to be a victim’s family member.
She has also been on podcasts/Worked with true crime RUclipsrs too. The case was solved last year and the bastard is locked up.
we all celebrated with her when her dad was arrested, finally. it took way too damn long.
i think i’ll check it out, thanks! nice pfp btw
@@ontxtteredwxngs way too long and there was so much evidence against him. It was sickening. Hopefully it puts her mind at ease a little more and it's amazing that she now uses her platform to help others
Cold Case also speaks with police on the case & the families. He did a Susan Powell series with the cops & family. Omg it was eye opening. He did more work than any youtuber I ever seen
I got into the Rotten Mango podcast by Stephanie Soo not long ago, and actually really liked her content bc it seemed really respectful and didn’t glorify the perpetrators like I’d seen before… then I started getting her main channel videos recommended to me. never watched one, just the second I saw a thumbnail full of food on a video talking abt a tragedy, I unsubbed from Rotten Mango so fast. her fake sympathy astounds me honestly
I disliked her crying in the Rotten Mango videos and stopped watching them even before I learned of the true crime mukbangs, her tears always felt very staged and dramatizing to me.
@@blondbraid7986Her whole persona irritates me lol, like fake baby voice kinda
Her Rotten Mango is also off putting.. talking about true crime like it is a gossip... we don't talk about true crime like that.
@@Paarthurnax_how, in her current content, is she talking about true crime like gossip?
@@Paarthurnax_ Yeah I hate the tone she uses
Eleanor Neale is my favorite true crime RUclipsr, she’s extremely respectful towards everyone and is sensitive towards the subject matter and goes into why the murderers do what they do but never ever makes it seem like they were in the right or justifies their actions. She also makes sure that everyone is respectful to the real families that these people have affected. I appreciate her content a lot
I enjoyed a lot of her videos but the bizzare energetic happy ad reads made me stop
Like ok u put a lot of the work in research but the atmosphere it created was distasteful for me
I do too she always seemed respectful. I’m like if people complain about her it’s like what the heck, we can’t watch any thing then. She has had relatives of the victims even speak out and thank her in her videos which I personally like.
since when? i remember it coming out that half the time she never even contacted the families of the victims for permission to cover the cases. i remember families talking about how they’d beg her and other youtubers to stop talking about their loved ones passings
I used to think she was too. then she covered the murder of Bianca Devins despite her family literally begging people on the internet not to make her murder into content. a lot of commenters were saying she should take her video down, I'm not sure if she ever did
i agree, she’s the only one i watch
I want so badly to be defensive of Bailey and all the other girls I see on here that I watch… but you’re right. You just are. Thank you for a new perspective, I hope these creators watch this and can at least try to make changes to be more sympathetic. My entire family consumes true crime books and movies/shows, I have quite literally grown up around it which I must admit has caused some issues for me. I’m now realizing how truly desensitized I’ve become that I did not see a problem with this behavior. I’m ashamed, but I can only try to do better and be more mindful of what I consume. Enjoyed the video, thank you!
The Cecil hotel one hit me so hard because it's being used as a conspiracy theory when if you just did some research and watch the documentary it's clear she was going through a bipolar episode with no one helping her. I felt so close to her cause of her online entries and she's my age and she was Asian. I also have a mental disorder. People are throwing around that she was murdered, that Aliens did it, that paranormal shiz did it. No, she was having hallucinations and she was disconnected from reality. Instead of the manager calling her parents, she just isolated her in a room near a opening to the roof where the water tank was open. It's so saddening and these youtubers are exploiting it with the one who popularized the fabricated information being the predatory racist Shane Dawson. Please let the Cecil hotel story rest. It is such a depressing reality. It's so easy to believe a demon did it or a murderer did it, but no...she trapped herself in the water tank, tried to survive, and died. Combined with hallucinations and voices she was suicidal. All these youtubers spreading misinformation need to shut it. The reality is so much depressing than they portray. Seriously respect the dead and stop supporting them when you snap out of the fan phase. Cause this crap is traumatizing. The Cecil story caused me to stop watching true crime for months. And then I saw a youtuber just brush over it like she was nothing. Fuck those pieces of shits.
I also grew up around true crime (the kind that was on cable tv in the 90’s, like unsolved mysteries and other shows with re-enactments) and it made me a totally paranoid child. I wouldn’t talk to any grown male that wasn’t a member of my family for a long period of my childhood, and I couldn’t be away from my parents overnight because I was convinced I’d get killed. Really screwed me up.
Good on you for acknowledging your mistakes. Sadly, not everyone can do that.
I used to love Bailey when she would do really REALLY old cases (like 1800s) but then she started doing more and more modern ones that I don’t feel she’s being respectful of and it makes me so sad!!
I really appreciate your comment because I think a lot of people who listen to true crime just carelessly watch it in the same room with their children and it disturbs me the desensitized way they play shows and podcasts describing these murders while just going about their day, not healthy for anyone, especially children and I hope you spread your message about that and am glad that you can acknowledge that at all.
thank god someone is talking about this! i always felt so gross watching people do their makeup and make jokes while talking about someone's last moments and the effects on their family for decades
Even the ones that just have weird makeup then talk about it not do stuff while is weird and disrespectful
@@sandman1576
And you know theyre looking down at a script when theyre doing the makeup
Poor Baily being called out hard just not by name lol
Sometimes they talk about these people like they're just characters on a TV show or something and it's a little odd to say the least
So don’t watch it then. Simple as
i'm glad someone's covering this, it's been bothering me for YEARS
Pretty recently there was a lady laying on the sidewalk near where I worked. I don’t know if she was alive or not at this point but when I got home I mentioned something about it to my mom about it and my sister who was 8 at the time went “what? I love true crime” and that scares the hell out of me still
Something that bugs me is all the theorists who theorize unsolved mysteries. For example Elsa Lam who's death has become a paranormal mystery, when reality her death was most likely a tragic accident. I've seen many unsolved true crime stories become heavily sensationalized bu wannabe detectives who spread false information about not only the victims but living people in order to create more interesting stories.
I can't stand when these failed beauty vloggers act like they are sleuths who know more about a case than an actual detective. It's so arrogant.
It's also super cringy when they circlejerk about how a bunch of wacky quirky internet sleuths have beaten the justice system or something like it's just some easy game of where's waldo
Elsa Lam angers me as someone with the same disorder. Every time mental illness is involved they gotta pull "it was ghoooosttss conspiracy" bs
Ask A Mortician's video on this case was refreshing
Yes! I hate the mystification of Elisa's case. Just leave her alone already, for god's sake.
I was really into true crime when the murder content boom started but it began to impact my mental health after a while so I noped out in around 2017. Now, I come across this video to learn that the genre has fallen so far from what already a pretty low moral bar admittedly but still...true crime ASMR? True crime mukbangs?? WTF???
The mukbangs feel extra gross, talking about the deceased around burger bites is bizzare
Same, I thought I'd be murdered around every corner. Excess can be damaging when it comes to many things. I'm glad you saw through it in 2017, stay healthy out there friend.
I was deep into true crime for a while and as a woman I think part of it was definitely motivated by being afraid of men after some bad experiences I had but in the end it definetly didn't make me feel safer I felt miserable and had to stop lmao
@@bangitybangbabang It makes me really regret eating lunch when watching j aubrey vid on lionmaker. If anyone gonna say its shit of me, trust me, i know that now.
@@rampion1228 this is definitely what attracted me to it. lots of personal, terrible “interactions” with men since I was 7yo. I found it so hard to relate to other kids, I was so affected by it.
I really wanted to thank you for making this. I was a huge Bailey Sairian fan until recently. I think my youtube algorithm was trying to tell me something, or at least actually did something positive for my morality. You became the first stop in my education on the disgustingly exploitative nature of the true crime community.
for 3 years i was obsessed with true crime, i loved trying to understand the psychology and reasons for these peoples actions, and for three years watched so many different channels over these brutal cases and until this video i didn’t really realize the horror of these creators and my owns actions. your line of mentioning how we only really know the actual killers perspective and that’s what these people are sharing is sickening. i never fully realized how gruesome that is to spread as a story, we only know the killers vewi and reasoning we don’t know the truth of the relationships. thank you for this video it really opened my eyes to undedtand how gruesome this is, and i hope more people watch this.
the one thing that always kinda bothered me was all the "to hunt a killer" sponsorships on almost every popular true crime channel. just seems a little insensitive to me to promote a game about murder in the same video you're talking about an ACTUAL case where people suffered immensely and died
Ngl hunt a killer also seems weird to me. Mostly since it's advertised to true crime watchers and promotes trying to solve the case yourself but a huge problem in the true crime community on RUclips is people constantly trying to solve cases that have nothing to do with them, and what they did to Elisa Lam (I think that's how you spell it) and made her death into a spooky campfire story instead of the tragedy it was. I dont mean hunt a killer is bad or anything but it's seems so weird to profit off of the idea of murder and solving those cases, it's not similar to clue enough to be fictional enough, the idea is that you are solving a "real" crime case and are supposed to treat it as such.
With hunt a killer it's explicitly implied to be fictional and very loosely based on real processes. They also donate a lot of their profit to the cold case foundation, so the effect is beneficial. No real people are harmed in the process.
@@chocomelo454 If people like you are the ones who think videogames caus mass shootings.
@@chocomelo454 agatha christie novels exist. murder mysteries have been around since literally ancient Greece. I don't think ancient athenians were walking around trying to solve the murder of julius caesar, they just liked to have a good time. Taboo content is fun let people enjoy it
@@georgeharrisonfricklas7927 nono I retract my former statement 🫥🫥 I was worried that considering how people like to play detective some people would take it too far
I appreciate you talking about this Pinely! I’m a fan of the genre and definitely feel that there’s a fair number of people that don’t treat the dead respectfully.
Ngl I don’t even think about stuff like that. I’ve listened to so many type of true crime vids that I just listen to the stuff
JCS is the only true crime channel I've eve enjoyed due to how straight it is. It's pretty much just information, if anything is ever comedic it's usually on a less serious crime like the guy who was arrested for drugs or something.
I agree!
I'm also a fan, and I can only watch people like Brooke McKenna, Eleanor Neale, and Kendell Rae after watching this video.
Here's a recommendation for a true crime channel that doesn't do all that disrespectful shit: (The) Casual Criminalist.
The host has several different writers that make scripts talking in-depth about pretty much everything surrounding the crime that's not just the disgusting and disrespectful details and he reads them for the first time in the videos and adds comments whenever he feels necessary or appropriate. He also skips over details of the crime scene and victim's condition whenever it gets too unnecessarily descriptive, which I like a lot. But the authors usually don't add any overly gruesome details in the first place. And one of the authors is also enjoyably sarcastic (obviously only at the expence of the perpetrators) without making the crime sound "fun" or any less severe than it is. There's also plenty of videos about non-murder crimes like heists, which is something I NEVER see these trashy "tRuE CrImE Is So JuicY aNd CoOL" channels do (for obvious reasons). Can only recommend.
The issue I have with Casual Criminalist is that Simon has gotten weirdly bloodthirsty with calling for the death penalty. Idk maybe that's changed but a couple months ago I had to stop listening(I listened to the podcast rather than watching the videos) because it just got excessive. I guess that's a whole other issue of morality, the death penalty, but the way he was talking about it just felt really uncomfortable.
@@SparkleFoxMuttgoing off what you said, Simon also calls people psychos. A lot. And he openly admits to wanting gruesome topics because people click on them but then (understandably) bemoans how they affect his mental health. Like I personally prefer relatively victimless crimes like bank heists and whatnot. Obviously those are still CRIME but when no one is harmed, it's easier to enjoy listening without contributing to making someone's gruesome death a spectacle.
@@carnuatus Yeah, good point. Or points as it were. He's not the worst, but there are a lot of little things that just don't sit right. Tho to be fair that's true of people covering murders and assaults in general. I haven't found any single person who covers stories in a way that I am consistently comfortable with, so I just stopped consuming true crime content.
I like your idea of listening to nonviolent crimes, do you know of any channels that only cover them?
@@SparkleFoxMuttI'd also be interested in this
Watching this and reading comments of people listing every single true crime channel doing something more or less icky made me think of two things:
a) no channel will be 100% morally/ethically correct unless it's a TV documentary. Not all of them, obviously, but a lot of them include interviews with policemen, foresics and psychologists who took part in the investigation, and family members of victims / victims themselves who do consent to telling the story in a great detail.
b) we criticise the channels, but how morally correct are we as the audience? Because WE watch these videos. It reminds me of that fanfiction meme of nsfw authors being like ''see you in hell, I wrote this but you are the one reading it''. We watch true crime as we eat breakfast or dinner, we watch it while lying in bed with bag of chips on the side. When we see a title such as ''a gruesome murder of XYZ family'', we are not afraid to watch it because it just means there will be A LOT going on in the video and it sparks our curiosity. We critise channels for covering specific cases, yet we still watch them. Family's of Jeffree Dahmer's victims do not want people to cover his case, but let's be honest, almost all of us watched at least one video about Jefrree Dahmer and we even go as far as demand channels to focus more on the victims and than the killer. So perhaps channels might not be super moral, but neither are we.
I agree
I'm reminded of a roman philosopher who wrote somethingalong the lines of; the criminals who are killed in the colosseum may have deserved their fates, but what have you, the audience, done to deserve watching such depravity?
We?
I stopped watching after like, 3 gross rotten mango videos where she makes her voice more dramatic and tells it like a plot line rather than real life. I criticize that. It's gross, and it should be addressed
@@ravenID429I think she means "we" as in the people who have seen enough true crime stuff to be able to lost horrible things they have done
As a former true crime enthusiast.. your video was a wake up call.
I’ve never glorified the murderers, never belonged to the bunch of people who’d own a Ted Bundy bed sheet or stuff like that. But I was deeply fascinated by the psychology, anthropology and pathology touched on when watching true crime documentaries such as “Forensic Files” and forth on, and somehow thought I was morally on the “right” side of this issue.
I never thought about it, but you made it clear and it is true that we are desensitizing ourselves by watching this content, especially of content creators who add humor, food, make-up or other casual things to these stories while using the suffering of the victims and their families as casually as they’d talk gossip, for nothing but entertainment. And I had to swallow the pill that I am a contributor to this problem by watching.
It seemed so normal on RUclips that people be out there putting on a face of makeup or stuffing their faces while speaking of the victims and their families that I didn’t even think about it objectively, like that’s a weird, odd and awful thing to do. They speak of the victims and their perpetrators as if it’s a fictional story, romanticizing the evil behind the events that made them take place. And the video you played of that girl emphasizing with the murderer and all the comments of the audience also sympathizing with the murderer to some extent even justifying or expressing understanding and sadness for her INSTEAD OF THE VICTIMS is mind blowing to me. I haven’t seen that before.
I saw the suggestion of your video intending to scroll past it, but something made me think that whatever you’d be to say it could possible be true and important, because true crime essentially is about violence and the most horrible things that happened to people, and it wouldn’t be a random rant based on merely a different opinion. I’m so glad I watched.
You’ve opened my eyes and I’m ashamed. This is an important message.. thank you for speaking about this and waking us up from our ignorance. I’m going to drop true crime from now on.
This is why if i watch anything close to this.......its CSI.
Guilt free, you support creatives, and you get to enjoy the mystery.
outside of fictioin, i cant even bear to come close to it. i just cant.
I’m proud of you for publicly speaking your truth!
I'm going to repeat what I said in a comment above because I used the translator for so long that I feel like I would mess my words if I tried to re-express myself in another comment;
But I believe that the problem isn't people talk about true crime, but *how* they speak about it.
We need to have respect, empathy and a heart. I believe that some of these videos (not people in Pinely's video ofc) are important to keep our memories alive about cases, injustices that cannot be forgotten. And I say this as someone who has already suffered a crime and had a gun pointed in his face in an home invasion. I could have been killed. Nothing happened to the criminals and they were never get caught. And that frustrates me.
Maybe I'm saying this because in my country, there aren't the types of content creators who talk these topics in this way. I've never seen someone from my country make a "true crime" video while doing a mukbang (and I find that repulsive). All the videos I've seen so far, in my native language, were extremely sensitive, delicate and showing exploration of what I mentioned above.I never felt any enthusiasm in them, but them always talked as in a documentary would and being very respectful, so sometimes I have a culture shock with all of this.
The only true crime channels that I have found that are very respectful, 99% of the time extremely accurate, and I can watch without feeling disgusted by how they talk about the victims and the killer is Kendall Rae and Eleanor Neale. Both address trigger warnings, present the information in a respectful, non-joking type of way, and respect the wishes of the family of the victim. Kendall usually works with the families or has direct consent from them and Eleanor has taken down plenty of videos if the family reaches out and says they are uncomfortable with her covering the case. I just wish that all true crime creators were as respectful as them but, of course, many creators just care about the views and don’t see these people that are victim to horrible things as real. It’s super upsetting and I’m so glad this video was made as I haven’t seen many people talk about it despite it being such a terrible issue that seems to happen way to often.
same! they are, in my opinion, the best and most respectful TC yters.
I would add stephanie harlowe too. she doesnt do any gimmicks for the videos, and her stuff is extremely deep dived where she humanizes the victims and their families as much as she can (even providing quotes and clips where the families talk about their loved one) while demonizing the perpetrators. also shes worked with families closely to bring their cases to light, like the delphi case.
@@shibuyes she goes too hard on kids tbh. I used ta love her vids but she gets too personal when talking about kids doing the crime. I cant remember which vid it was but ik in several vids shes demonized these kids jus because she has kids 🤦
@@MyLoserBrain I think she’s better on her podcast, as she has admitted that she gets too personal, and because she has a co-host that bring her down to earth again if she goes off. She has some really strong opinions on things sometimes though, which often put me off a bit. But I do still love her podcast
@@kbat942 ive never watched that so ill have ta check it out then.
When it comes to true crime I try to avoid videos where the creator plants a picture of themselves in the center of the thumbnail. They’re essentially telling you that they’re the main focus of the video and everything else is an accessory to them.
I'd like to give special mention to The Misery Machine. They only ever talk about children. It's extremely exploitative and deeply uncomfortable.
Gotta say I hate the term "invested in a relationship". It just makes love seem transactional. It's romance, not the New York stock exchange.
THIS! They don’t “invest” in relationships , they fall in love in a naive way , well most of the time atleast it’s not stocks
“Invested in a relationship” is not a good term to use, one would instantly think she dated him for the money(and murdered him because of it)
@@Scorpio19110 I think about investing time and not money actually
maybe im reading into it too much, but the way she words the "invested 5 years / heart broken" type stuff, it kind of reads as a "heartbreak justifies murder" angle with a "amirightguys" kind of tone
When i think of invested in a relationship i always thought it meant fully investing your heart.
I was so surprised about Stephanie, I only knew her from rotten mango and seeing her have a mukbang while making fun of the victims name was disgusting.
Steph changed her content. It started like that but now she only talks about scandals and entertainment while doing a mukbang, and serious true crime is on Rotten Mango. I believed she deleted all those older videos.
@@BuuWaterloo she still has it on her YT shorts btw on her main channel.
when was this? I watched every single one of her videos and I can't remember her doing that
@@rosefulmadness the videos are deleted now but if you look up Stephanie soo controversy/making fun of a victims name I’m sure you can find it
It's absolutely insane I watch her Baking a Mystery (which is fictional crimes) and the idea of her even doing that while talking about a real victim is crazy let alone the disrespect of a REAL MAN'S NAME after everything that happened to him.
i like the dreading channel alot because he goes into the psychology of the perpetrators and also shows their symptoms of narcissism and sociopathy, which helps me recognize those worrying behaviors in people i meet in real life.
Same. EWU and Just Can't Swim
Along with Dreading I also watch This Is Monster’s and Dave’s Lemonade
but we can never be sure. it leads to profiling AND usually the 'worrying behaviors' (like 'vibes' and 'weird traits') are rooted in ableism. the ableism is what bothers me most.
The south park “murder porn” episode has aged like a fine wine
If you like Kendall Rae, I highly recommend Joshua Miles. They're one of the crime youtubers who do have a full time research and writing team, and they mainly cover lesser-known, international cases. I really love how they maintain a serious tone and focus mainly on telling the victims' stories and finding out who they were aside from their victimhood. And HannahTheHorrible is another phenomenal creator who is much the same!
Joshua Miles is so professional, he just states the facts and is very sympathetic to the victims and gives his full attention to the cases. He’s so professional that it could almost seem “boring” in comparison to other true crime RUclipsrs doing their makeup, eating insane portions of food and doing full on comedy routines.
I like coffeehouse crime.
@@TheMopsitis agreed!
lordan arts and its a crime are good too.
I love HannahTheHorrible! Georgia Marie, Coffehouse Crime, Dire Trip and Gabulosis are also great! Georgia's content is similar to Kendall's, she invests a lot of time into research and also does a lot of missing person's/Jane/John Doe cases, Gabulosis is much the same but she covers vintage cases (20 years or older) and Dire Trip covers many international cases but is also never disrespectful and very to the point and professional
I started noticing this trend when I saw a girl doing a makeup look "inspired" by Jeffrey Dahmer while talking about his life. Like... what are you doing? Just talk about it? Do we really need a makeup tutorial and a true crime video in one? Are we really that starved for visual stimulation? But the topics you covered go beyond what I saw. Oh my god.
Did he wear make up? I’m confused how how she could be inspired to do a make up look by someone who doesn’t wear make up? Where is the inspiration?
@@BlissfulMartini I honestly don't know. Jeffrey Damher did not wear makeup and I do not understand how she could use a serial killer as an inspiration for anything whatsoever. Absolutely sick.
Reminds me of my last job and seeing a customer walk in with huge tattoos of the faces of Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer and a couple of of other murderers on their arm.
@@kyoyameganebereznoff Well, at least she's showing off her red flags which is better than having to find out later. She sounds insufferable.
Better than a Jeffery Dahmer mukbang
I totally agree with this. I watch a lot of true crime stuff my self, but the makeup/mukbang and the like have always made me feel uneasy it just felt very disrespectful to the families that lost loved ones. I personally like watching Eleanor Neale because she does good research on the cases and is respectful of the families and he videos are never clickbaity and rarely are split into different parts
Pinely produces the authentic commentaries we all need! Always saying what I’m thinking when I watch RUclips ❤️
and people say stephanie is so respectful towards the cases she talks about 💀.
From the videos I've seen she comes off as manipulative with a bit of a victim complex.
Yes I wish those people would shut up
her fans are mostly braindead, you can't expect too much from them.
Her Rotten Mango chanel is still not good. Talking about true crime like gossiping with friends.
@@tikusblueYES that’s it, I don’t wanna sound like those people who call everyone they don’t like a narcissist but…she kinda fits lol with the lack of empathy and vanity
As a polish person the clip of that lady mispronouncing a victims name is one of the most disgusting things ive seen. I know polish names can be difficult but just changing the whole name to americanized version???? No-one would blame her if she said it wrong, at least she tried but just changing the whole name??? Thats beyond disgusting
It's so gross. It's also not even an obscure name, Mateusz is such a common first name I'm sure there are plenty of baby name websites etc to learn how to pronounce it. None of the sounds are difficult for an American English speaker. It would be offensive no matter what, and I'm shocked at how lazy it is on top of that.
And like I’d understand not being able to pronounce it but LAUGHING WHILE BUTCHERING AND MOCKING IT AND LEAVING THAT IN…she got a little too comfortable with her true self
they talk about deplorable murderers like elementary school kids at a lunch table talking about a weird bug they saw
As someone who was very lucky to barely avoid becoming one of these stories myself I do believe people should have a much greater level of respect for the dead and the families who lost someone near and dear to their heart. Had I not been so lucky I would be turning in my grave hearing people glorify the one who made an attempt on my life, or make jokes about a serious topic or knowing how that kind of shit would have affected my family had I passed.
Bit late but I think this is a very important topic that so many treat with 0% respect. I myself do watch true crime videos but I always it's from someone who's reached out to the family and actually taken the time and care to represent the events appropriately.
Nobody cares clearly
@@Thebeastisabeauty that's alright
I understand why they may or may not use some of these strategies to perhaps make the discussion more lighthearted or make people feel a little bit better about the situation, but at the same time it feels like they're downplaying the seriousness of the case. These cases and these murders still affect real people. That doesn't just include the victim or the killer or whatever, it also affects the people closest to them. I feel that topics like this should be treated with as much care and seriousness as possible because these kinds of things probably happen more often than we think they do.
I feel like if you want lighthearted discussion you shouldn’t be getting it from True Crime vids. There’s a time and place for “lighthearted discussion”, and discussing murders isn’t it.
@@genericname8727 I totally agree. We should be upset and uncomfortable hearing about these horrific crimes. We've collectively become so desensitized... it's actually concerning.
I also agree with the original commenter that they are downplaying the seriousness of these crimes. Murder/crime shouldn't be discussed in a gleeful manner. I remember Bailey S. laughing about something in one of her videos and she said she's not laughing at the crime but (I don't remember why she laughed). I understand people handle terrible situations in different ways. I smiled when my family friend that was like my brother died. I was devastated but I didn't know how to process... so I smiled. BUT I'm not filming myself talking about it. Idk. I think this happy attitude, putting on make up, snacking on food is messed up. This shouldn't be a happy occasion!
@@genericname8727 I disagree I like true crime because I think it’s super interesting but I don’t think being super serious is the best way to go with it, it might mess with your mental health
@@XiaoIsMyHusbandBTW if hearing about real people being horribly murdered messes with your mental health then don’t watch. Treating it as a non-serious thing for you to have fun watching is messed up and imo reflects a lack of empathy for the victims. There’s plenty of other interesting things you can learn about instead if the dark and heavy nature of the subject upsets you. You could watch fictional crime shows if you can’t handle listening to disturbing details about real people being murdered without disrespecting the victims and their families in the process.
Imagine how much all these RUclipsrs being silly as they discuss your loved one’s horrific murder would impact your mental health. Imagine if this wasn’t just some piece of interesting entertainment you could put on and giggle at but your reality being discussed by people who think it shouldn’t be taken too seriously.
These aren’t fantasy people. It’s not fiction for entertainment purposes. They’re real people who’ve been killed or tortured or whatever else. If you can’t listen to it discussed respectfully don’t listen to it. There are alternatives, even alternatives to learning about crime if the subject matter interests you.
Just try to have some empathy for the real people whose trauma you’re treating as entertainment.
there is no lighthearted discussion. you’re talking about a murderer and someone killed. there’s no way to make that lighthearted.
I truly don't believe that we should be given the luxury of comfort while hearing about something horrible that happened to a human being. It shouldn't be comfortable, and it definitely should not be enjoyable.
Thank you for talking about this. You're a good noodle.
so don't watch it??? seems pretty simple. I don't go out of my way to watch adam sandler movies.
@@ontxtteredwxngs But you went out of your way to reply to multiple comments that you obviously don’t like because you crave attention
@@ontxtteredwxngs people are allowed to criticize things and disagree with you too. Get over it.
@@ontxtteredwxngs but you go out of your way to read and respond to comments you don’t like. Take your own advice maybe?
but I feel like people wouldn't ever listen to true crime cases if it weren't enjoyable in some way, shape or form. of course it is uncomfortable and brutal but there will always be a fascination and curiosity with it and that is why there are so many documentaries, movies, youtube videos etc. I don't think there is anything wrong with trying to lighten the mood whilst talking about such heavy topics. there is a stark difference between dark humor to lighten a heavy topic and disrespecting the victims and their families
I love Stephanie. I also loved her mukbang videos and actually missed them as her videos are now very serious and focused on the crime stories. But thanks to your video, I now understand. You are doing a very important job of showing us a different perspective. Thank you because I wouldn't have thought that. And I'm so sorry to the families who are affected by my small mindedness.
I found you yesterday. I’m really enjoying your content. Thank you for presenting these topics so well.
True crime makes me deeply uncomfortable. I watched Kendall Rae a little but I couldn't look past referring to a minor being s*xually violated by parent as "losing his virginity" rather than, ya know, an actual crime and abuse.
Probably a mistake on kendall’s part, i think she is truly one of the most respectful youtubers on the true crime side of youtube. And she actually colaborates with the victim’s family and try to helps as much ad possible
@@joaquincollet4291But it wasn’t a mistake. She wrote it down in her script, possibly made several takes and then still thought it was appropriate.
@@joaquincollet4291im sorry but its really hard to defend any of these people bc they make MONEY off of these families. and i used to be like you and consume tjis content but do realize anything involved in the monetization of real tragedy is morally unethical. if you do need your.fix, there is tons of fictional mystery content which exists w/o profitting off of real trauma
Maybe she did it so the video wouldn’t get flagged? I’ve watched lots of her videos. She’s not the type to downplay r*pe. She also has a child so I doubt she did that on purpose
@@kaskaskas there are so many ways you can skirt youtube's flagging without saying something that awful. like you can literally just say the parent violated the child. hell, you can just bleep the word(s) that would get you flagged? TV has been doing that for decades, even live on air. a youtuber who can spend any amount of time they want while editing has countless options to communicate the point without getting flagged. ANYTHING but saying... that. that phrasing isn't even an alternative?? it's just a gross thing to say.
this isn't to say she was downplaying anything, HOWEVER, describing the violation of a child as that child "losing their virginity" is unacceptable. it may be the case she doesn't know that but, c'mon... we're in the 2020s now, surely the concept of virginity is one we can leave behind in general?? the connotations to purity that it carries is what makes it problematic in applying it to this situation, even if that wasn't the intent. it is possible to say the wrong thing without meaning harm, but still harming anyway.
tl;dr: there are numerous alternatives for not getting flagged that don't involve using a phrase which carries the connotation of "purity", and is therefore a harmful way to talk about a child's violation. she likely did not say this out of malice, but nevertheless this is something she should be held to account for - respectfully, of course.
This reminds me of the one time I was watching a video about the Bianca Devins situation, and this one woman was basically victim shaming Bianca (17) for leading on her killer who was 21 at the time… she was sipping coffee the entire video & would make facial expressions when talking about the things that the deceased girl had done like ????
I remember that too! It was so disturbing.
That sounds disgusting, who said it?
@@maryvampiregirl666 I believe it was a Stephanie Harlowe video on Bianca Devins. That's the one I recall.
@@ke8182 yes! It was Stephanie Harlowe. Thank god I’m not alone I remember even the comments being mean to Bianca and I was just so perplexed like how do you say such things about a defenseless girl
@@dianar9446 yes :( that is what made me stop watching Harlowe. She should have taken that video down. If you look now there are a lot of comments that call her out for victim blaming but she only "hearts" the comments that agree with her.
I stopped watching Bailey and a bunch of true crime a while back, mainly because I realized how sad and paranoid they were making me. Same thing with “tea” channels that made me anxious and depressed. Nowadays I try to stay away from scary or disturbing true crime unless I’m in the mood to watch. And even then I often put a cap on it early in the day so later at night I’m not thinking about it. People sometimes seriously underestimate how much the stuff they watch can affect their mental state. Just a reminder to whoever is reading this, take a break from the drama and tea or the murder and horrors of humanity and hurt and just enjoy a moment of peace. ❤