Just to be clear the call from the judge is not Zane’s fault. The situation was a product of people not being able to question the decisions of a judge even when there is a blatant discrepancy in what they called and what has visibly happened. This is an issue with the judge and how takara has decided no one can question the ruling of the judge without potentially being reprimanded or kicked from events.
@@RidiculousAnimationsAeos Nah, Japan just tends to be very strict with not questioning authority figures. It's a cultural thing, I don't think it has anything to do with corruption.
@@Bobqwt Honestly, I understand that but unfortunately, situations like this prove to be the biggest weakness in not questioning authority figures. I think it might be time for Takara Tomy to actually listen to the fans for once when they say "this is just absolutely wrong" and even present legitimate evidence of this as well.
Are the judges just eyeballing calls? Also, players being unable to contest judges is a serious setback if TT wants Beyblade X to become a recognized gear sport
@@nizumablader even the judges for the lowest level of TT recognized competitive play over here need to have phones to review any sketchy results. The same events that qualified the players who would later on compete in this Extreme Cup. Why are they eyeballing at the highest level of competitive play 😵💫
Blader from Singapore here 😁 In our local official tourneys, we risk disqualification if we challenge the judges/GMs on their call - I'm assuming the reason why nobody spoke up is because this event held a similar stance. It's just a bit surprising that there wasn't at least 2 judges for such a large-scale event (to cover multiple angles and potential blind spots like what happened here) - This is a common practice for our G2s/G1s and it's not like the Asia Championship was short on such resources... I hope the organisers take this as a learning experience and at least delivers a statement soon - Everyone, especially Thailand's BBX community, deserves closure on this 🙏
@@Resanctified yeah it’s crazy how big the event is but you can’t call a judge to review it? In Pokémon or yugioh or any other large scale event you can call a judge to help review and make a decision. They need to fix this.
@ for sure, he still won his other matches and there is no question he’s a good player. Definitely no hate towards him, I feel bad for both players in this situation. Super uncomfortable situation.
@@nizumabladerDefinitely. I've played against Zane a few times in community tourneys, and can attest to his level of skill/knowledge of the game 🎉 I'm sure the same can be said for Por too! Would've loved to see how the match played out if the right call was made 👍
yea, to add on as a player who went for one of the G1 tournaments in Singapore (specifically the one at Bugis+ back in May of this year), the fear if we were to say the call was wrongly done and we would have to forfeit our position in the competition is there. some of the judges can look scary :( but yea, hope that takara can solve the issue soon...
Our local tournaments are very strict with the replay footage. They also ensure that both players do not see the footage as to prevent arguments. The fact that not a single replay has been shown on this level is insane to me.
Tournament organizer for a community in Manila here. When we review calls, we show our players the replay footage for transparency and so they fully understand why that call was made. At 240fps slow motion, the results get pretty clear. The slowmo replays are really entertaining as well and so after some editing we’d send the most exciting ones to the community chat and sometimes the Philippine FB group. Its a way to hype players up and get others interested to try as well
Something to point out! They usually private their livestreams and make it public again after a few days! It was the same for X-TREME CUP GP 2024 so i feel the stream being set to private isn't to "hide" the controversy but more of like their standard way of doing things. That being said, i think it would be good if they make it so where players or someone on the scene should be able to challenge the call or call for a review. Also, there's a line in the official rules: "If you do not comply with the staff or judge’s decisions regarding the use of “Beyblade X”, you may be asked to refrain from participating in the event or tournament." Hence, i think the players and viewers might feel powerless which probably explains the troubled look on zane's face
This should definitely be ammended in the rules or match proceedings The fact that there should be a built-in system to challenge the call of an official is present in every competitive sport/game. Even in the the attempt to save time TT should still have given players 1 or 2 chances to challenge the call if they feel like there is a blatant mistake.
Nah this is wild. Our local judges are better than this. The fact you cant dispute a call is yet another reason this will never be a "sport" like takara claims it to be. Any other sport out there, players can challenge calls of the refs (i think the coach does it on their behalf, but still some form of dispute is possible).
As someone who was spectating the event live, it was only noticeable looking at the top down camera, the WR bit seemed to have burst out of sight when it went into the Extreme Zone and then returned to the dome and hit the AP causing it to burst. The crowd sitting at ground level may not have noticed, but the 2nd and 3rd floor spectators definitely saw it. The announcers I'm not sure if they noticed it, they didn't seem to comment on it. But I can say from where the judge was standing, it would make sense why he didn't catch it: the Extreme Zone's lip would be blocking sight of the bit, and the WR's burst would very likely be in that Judge's blind spot. I think the judge should have inspected the WR before announcing it the winner to see if it was fully intact. All of this is very easy to catch in slow motion and with hindsight, but in the heat of the moment with both beys at full speed, it wasn't clear what the situation was. Many folks at the event trusted the judge's decision given there wasn't an Instant Replay given to the crowd to refer to. This is definitely something that should be included in future BIG tournaments like this, not just for credibility of the event, but also for fun reaction content. Sports events LOVE instant replays of scores/goals/etc. There were also a number of Spin Finishes that would have merited use of immediate Instant Replay after every point. I also believe Players SHOULD have the right to request a replay of the point if they feel the judge made an error in judgment, Judges are human and make mistakes like anyone.
great review of the matter bro. i watched the whole thing and once the bad call happened things got crazy in the live chat and the intermission before the next match got extended a lot, makes me think they were actually talking about what happened and i really hope they were seeing what the chat was saying i mean it was bonkers in there. i agree with your thoughts about doing things better next time and yea they should definitely have a side camera and play replays for hard to see instances.
It's crazy that local tournaments have phones recording for accurate calls but an official competition is just eye balling it 🤣 I hope other beytubers make a video about this so TT can't just brush this aside.
I agree that we should be able to contest the decision with a video review at the least. This is why I won’t start my matches until cameras are rolling and a judge is actually paying attention. I learned the hard way.
I'm Italian and I recently took part in an official Beyblade tournament (I reached the quarter finals) but the competitiveness was high even if most of the Beyblades were the usual Soar Phoenix, Sword dran , dran dagger etc incredibly there were few Kell sharks and some roar tyranno My brother was the first to bring Yell Kong I also used an atypical combination Sword dran 3-60 ball
This was crazy to watch last night. I was hanging out with Galactic and some others while watching this go down, and it was crazy to see the entire chat just go wild. Definitely not Zane's fault, but they definitely should have a different angled camera or maybe even a second judge. Someone in our call said something about "The judge was looking from an angle where they didn't see the bit burst on Wizard Rod" or something along the lines of that which I could kinda see making sense, but there's a lot we don't know from just seeing the overhead view... Either way, awesome vid bro! Hope that "thing" gets to ya soon! -J
To put some more recognition on this kind of situation, I would like to see this controversy with the miscalling be implemented in the anime in some way. We’ve seen just how corrupt X’s world is compared to our own world with some of the sponsors being greedy, how “copy and pasting” can get you easy clout, and idol worship can lead to consequences. This would be a way for TT to acknowledge that they messed up during this tournament in a meta way, but there still has to be accountability on the actual competitive scene. Time and effort on Por’s part were completely wasted all because of the judge’s final call.
This was a real stain on an otherwise great tournament. I think the private issue is not because of the controversy, they did a similar thing with the Japanese Championships and made it public a few days later.
TT not knowing how a replay system or judge system works for sports or competitve gaming kinda proves the sham that beyblade is competitively until real hard rules are made globally at all levels of play not just a on a peice of paper in a package or a blurb online.
i think japan should ban beys that r not released in other countries like aero pegasus etc. in PH, the official distributor BANKEE not allowing purchases outside their product lines.
Players should absolutely be allowed to challenge judge calls within reason. Judges are not perfect, and a single person can easily miss things especially when only viewing the stadium from a single side.
i don't think the stream was taken down due to the controversy, instead it was removed and is being edited down so that when it gets reposted the beaks that occured during the stream won't be there. this happened with the last stream they did as well
I really hope that after this situation, they implement instant replay cameras so that judges can make better calls. It's pretty normalized in every other sport
Yeah it’s crazy this is being filmed and streamed and even the chat in the live stream was talking about it and they still stuck with the call they made.
another blader from singapore here! my sister happened to be in japan and watched the matches while video calling with me, i did not see this happening even though i watched the match live from a video call so the quality was quite bad. still though, zane is a very skilled blader and we wish we could have celebrated his win under better circumstances like what fellow sg blader resanctified said
I had to watch it twice to see it, but dude you are right 😮😮... Now I am still a very new player to the competitive beyblade world, but I watch a lot of battles and I have since I was a kid. I know how to make a call and I saw Zane burst, 2 points to Por. Score is 2 to 3. Or should be
He should’ve said something screw being disqualified it’s just sportsmanship. They can’t ban everyone or else they’ll have no tournaments and if they can’t be good judges then ppl will just do their own tourneys
The judge definitely made a bad call there and it’s very speculative if Por could’ve made a comeback. But either way this was just on the judge. Zane definitely earned his championship win. I think that it’s great that we are treating this miscall the same way we treat miscalls in other sports in a respectful manner.
The issue relies on the accuracy of the Judge. For such a LARGE tournament, there should be footage and multiple judges for the final call. Not the guy with one view point.
You have to understand in these cultures you can not argue with the ones in charge, it is not acceptable under any circumstances. He cant say something because if he embarrasses anyone he wont be allowed back.
You can say that but if the call is clearly wrong it’s ridiculous to not be able to say anything. You can in yugioh, pokemon, any other competitive hobby.
I remember a MFB tourney video when I was in elementary school, judge was showing favouritism against the white guy. That memory really stuck with me and this issue reminds me of how OP the judges are in their decision. #r4forpor
I used to be a high level (Nationals) Yu-Gi-Oh player & this wouldn't stand. I once went to a Nationals with a Last Turn deck that had a tricky win condition & had 8 judges called on me one at a time to confirm my win.. all the way up to head judge. Nobody should have to accept the final call from the first judge.. expecially when the incident is recorded.
Here in Colombia we do our own comunity Tournament and we do replays using our phones, there is no way we would have lets this situatión go went we can pause for 2 minutos to Review the footage
I went to a wbo tourney in the uk about a week ago and that even had replays and we could ask judges to review footage. Odd that the top flight ones just don't
I really wish we could have celebrated the winner of the tournament better, than to be hated for something that is not his fault. Under the circumstances that it is not his homeland, not his main language and judge according to a different set of rules and regulations.
This situation is funny and sad at the same time. I point a finger to the judge and TT for the rules being set and who follows and who enforces them. I also point a finger to the player(s) for not speaking up. I blame the players more than I do the judge to be honest, for the simple fact that the judge could literally not have seen what happened and didn't have access to a replay. Probably has access to replays but since no one said anything, they moved along with their decision. Asians are just too polite it seems, a bad decision happened and they just took it.
Singaporean blader here, huge props to Zane for representing and winning for us! (Despite the huge controversy) In our local community here, in official games, G3, G2 and G1, we were drilled by the organizers that judge's calls are final. No video recordings, nor external party have the rights to argue against their calls and it is final. Community tournaments by shops are less strict tho. So I would not blame Zane for not sounding out. I think that the B4 should have done better. Multiple judges, multiple camera angles, or something.
Definitely no hate towards Zane, you could tell he looked super uncomfortable during the whole thing. I think this is an issue with not being able to ask for a review of the round.
@ my issue is no one said anything, the announcers, the crowd, other judges. No one. The entire live chat was full of people talking about it as it happened. I’m not sure why saying that’s a problem is a bad thing. I don’t think Zane is at fault if they aren’t allowed to question it but there is an entire crowd, judges, and a panel of narrators who also said nothing. If we don’t talk about it the chances that anything changes in the future is pretty slim. Would you want this to happen to you at a high level tournament like this and not be able to say anything?
Yeah I was watching when that happened live in the chat was going crazy over that they kept calling Zane a cheat. Saying Justice for Por. Yes it might have been a bad call of the Judges call but we still don't know who would have won that match. The rules over there are much different than the rules over here. Example being if you miss launch or if you self KO you get a relaunch but over there if you do any of that it still counts. And the judges don't really look at footage it's all based on the judges call.
Yeah that’s a fair point, I’m not calling Zane a cheat. This is the judges fault, I understand there’s some ruling differences but this is a clear cut case of one bursting before the other. It’s just an incorrect call by the judge.
@nizumablader I absolutely agree with you on that. To be honest I wasn't one of the people calling him a cheat. I knew that this was a bad judgement call and that the rules are just different over there. I was actually trying to calm down the people in the chat telling that Zane did not cheat it was just a judge made a really bad call.
Call it goofy, but I want TT to give the men a rematch as compensation. That, and for players to be able to interject on judges' calls. If both Player A and B agree that Player A clearly won, then the judge should review the footage for reconsideration.
if they had the stadium on in view of the ref this would not have happened. I would have definitely been vocal about this because it was pretty obvious that Zane lost. I know japan is known for not arguing with officials in sports or anything but this a time where someone should have said something
Por should be compensated in someway. This is very unacceptable, anyone who participated in g1 know how hard it is to win a g1 tournament. This is like a once in a lifetime opportunity and there is no way anyone get to compete a second chance because of how hard it is. Anyone would be salty as hell to lose in such a unfair way. I hope more content creators speak out for Por. Poor guy
No sé si la transmisión fue puesta en privado por esa controversia, el campeonato Japonés también fue puesto en privado y no hubo una controversia como está... Pero los jugadores si pueden argumentar con el árbitro según el reglamento (si no mal recuerdo), Pero es Japón, allá con tal de no entrar en conflicto no dicen nada y acatan lo que dice el árbitro, en Occidente es muy diferente... 😅
If it wasn't for the miscalling, wizard rod would've definitely lost that time. Got into beyblade x last November so im still kind of new to this. Sadly, I dont have a locals near me.
When I am not certain when I judge I always go to the tale of the tape. Part of the problem is that judges need to be held to a higher standard because this is actually unfair. He clearly burst and shouldn't have won that battle. It's just very disappointing.
i get judge calls being final not being able to question the judges without being thrown out of the event is actually insane that's how you get corrupt judges.
In many sports what ref says goes. But yeah for sure this is messed up. Where can a person watch matches like this. Would love to watch these pro matches
My guess on Zane is he can't speak Japanese hence the confused look, but anyway, even without the bit burst, it was an obvious Xtreme Finish against Rod because Rod hit the Xtreme wall, the wall is there to protect parts from flying not bouncing back, that should've been an obvious elimination.
@@jirehchoo2151I just discovered it on another comment, you are right, I got this mixed up with WBO, damn, it's really stupid for pocket rebound to be allow like that, imagined KO annoying combo like Rod and Wolf but still lose over rebound.
Yeah that was rough. There should definitely be appeals and reviewing of footage in situations like this. The winner should not look uncomfortable from winning
Honestly, if we're going to see this in future tournaments going forward, this is only going to be the start of the decline of official Beyblade X tournaments. That judge should've been fired for that decision on the spot. Except the corpos at Takara Tomy decided to let his decision be final which is a stupid decision. If I was spectating this tournament, I would've just chanted "bulls***" and booed the referee for that terrible decision.
Firing the judge would be extreme, we're humans and prone to make mistakes. What there should be, regardless, is video review. The idea that the judge's call is final is not the fault of the judge, but the system. As such, the system needs to change.
Oh yeah the CM read the chats but never bother to brought up any sudden interjection that's being discussed. Like a puppet, I say. Like everyone else said, the stream was later to be edited for later upload. What I find about Beyblade was, they're still oldschool. For such a tech savvy society we're in, B4 still got the same mentality as the old gens in Japan. Not old beyblade gens, the OLD PEOPLE gens. Just look at the judging statement thingy. It's bs. I cannot compared this to football/soccer since the controversial are mostly due to corruption. This one was plain stupidity. I remember that one story about sumo match where the mayor fainted in the stadium. You can check the story on Google but here I'm not talking about gender discrimination but rather this whole situation about "upholding a rule" which could potentially costs something else.... (the announcement of new bey didn't excite me at all after this controversy 🤣)
Sup fellow representative. You represent official battles right? For me I represent the Unofficial battles where all game. Use any beys from any gen to battle and that includes and mods, cheats, and even custom stuff is all fair game.
The video had a german title for me and when i clicked on it the audio was a german text to speech voice ... I guess youtube is testing a new ai translation feature
No hate to the bladers who participated, especially towards Zane, because he even seemed somewhat confused when the controversial call was made. But what I strongly believe is that the judges made a wrong call, and if the live stream camera can pickup the issue, I do believe others had also seen the issue. So they definitely were somewhat complacent with the event, and at this point there should be some scope of interjection from players and spectators. If it was an occurrence 20 years ago, the blindsided judgment was understandable, but with all the technological advancements, this is definitely unacceptable. We don't even get any official tournaments, but for the ones that are organised here in Kolkata, India, by my friend @ad_beyblade, he always uses smartphones to record all the matches and in case of any confusion he checks footages before making a call. So, such a controversial decision by the official refs from Asia Championship is definitely not expected. Again no hate towards any bladers, and I am sure Zane is not at fault.
First clash, Wizard gets launched into the X pocket, hits the back wall, bit pops out, blade and ratchet are still together and bounce back in. The second clash must have hit Pegasus ratchet and burst it that way. I can understand how the judge wouldn't have seen the bit ejection from where he was standing, but it was still a wrong call and there should be measures in place to prevent that. Even the judge just standing on the other side of the stadium would have helped.
Funny you used yugioh as example xD there has been so much cheating caught on live streams of big events and is a topic that pops up almost yearly. With beyblade I can see how there is an honest mistake on the judges part with human error. Im assuming that questioning judges can lead to other issues which is why the players didnt raise it if they caught it
People have to remember that over in Asian countries their culture is VERY different from ours. Over there you don’t argue with superiors like referees. Also the mentality that most have over there is that they do not want to be a burden on someone. So they will grit their teeth and just accept things like this. However, if TT really wants beyblade to grow into a full sport they definitely need to move away from naked eye refereeing. X is the fastest version of beyblade ever. It’s faster than the naked eye can see.
@ I’m not saying it’s not a problem. I’m saying this is why no one said anything, and is why judging with the naked eye and only the naked eye for a “sport” is wrong.
@ an ai voice lol, I can turn it off but I wanted to hear from people how it sounded. I can’t speak other languages so I thought people might find it more accessible this way. Is there an option as a viewer to change it to its original language?
Thai staff and everyone from thailand does remonstrate that day. But the organizer just say the result has been decide and nothing can be change. This event is very big but the organizer take it lightly. Even they know they wrong they did not have the brave to fix it. Also the comentator even though they know the result is wrong they just silence and let it pass.That why i think the organizer is very ugly. Asia championship huh? More like a child play. I understand the judge is human and human can be error buy hey whay is this year it 2024 right ? Why they still use this old fahion way to judge ? No var no second judge ? Bruh...
@@nizumabladersure they need to. this controversy is completely destroy two good athlete for por his tourney have to end in unfair way it hard to accept and will be the scar in his life. for zane he is good i'm very glad he won tourney but is shame that many people sure think his victory is flaw i am sure zane doesn't want this kind of victory too. I hope this would be the last case happen i dont want this to happen to anyone anymore 😢
I'm a Filipino blader and i lead Taguig All Stars here in the Philippines. We teach honesty and fair play here. Zane knows he lost that round with Por. We lost respect for him for not speaking out the truth.
It’s not so straightforward actually. Imagine being in an environment where you don’t understand the language, Zane appeared confused probably due to everything being announced in Japanese, he probably only knew he was awarded the two points when the screen on the stage was reflected. By then probably it’s too late to do anything
@@slyjvideosthey all understand english. English is a universal language its year 2024. A simple raise of a hand to call an attention would work, and speak your thoughts.
@@BlackbeardDotOne Based on the rules and regulations set, players are not allowed to contest with the judge's calling. It may not be the same for other countries, but in Japan ruling, it is stated this way. And how would the players such as Zane or Por knew who won the points, to be honest, as a player who has participated in tournaments, when you're engrossed in the game and when it happens so fast, it is really hard to tell who would have won or gotten the points, hence we required to judge to tell us.
@@phantombreez3 with your words you lack the experience I play beyblade 12hrs-18hrs within a day every month been playing beybladex with bigger crowd than this since march 2024 and I'm old and experienced enough to isolate such feelings. I only rest when I'm sick brother. Is raising a concern a contest? With the right words you may speak your thoughts.
How would the players such as Zane or Por knew who won the points, to be honest, as a player who has participated in tournaments, when you're engrossed in the game and when it happens so fast, it is really hard to tell who would have won or gotten the points, hence we required the judge to make the call and give score.
Nah, Zane is a great player. He won all his other matches. I don’t fault him, it’s very possible he would have beaten por anyway but we can never know.
Just to be clear the call from the judge is not Zane’s fault. The situation was a product of people not being able to question the decisions of a judge even when there is a blatant discrepancy in what they called and what has visibly happened. This is an issue with the judge and how takara has decided no one can question the ruling of the judge without potentially being reprimanded or kicked from events.
corruption?
@@RidiculousAnimationsAeos Nah, Japan just tends to be very strict with not questioning authority figures. It's a cultural thing, I don't think it has anything to do with corruption.
@@Bobqwt Honestly, I understand that but unfortunately, situations like this prove to be the biggest weakness in not questioning authority figures. I think it might be time for Takara Tomy to actually listen to the fans for once when they say "this is just absolutely wrong" and even present legitimate evidence of this as well.
Wow, that's very cringe of TT considering how they trying to represent bladers in the anime.
It would've been better for Por to contest the ruling. He got eliminated after that round. What did he have to lose?
Are the judges just eyeballing calls? Also, players being unable to contest judges is a serious setback if TT wants Beyblade X to become a recognized gear sport
It seems like they are just eyeballing it which is wild.
@@nizumablader even the judges for the lowest level of TT recognized competitive play over here need to have phones to review any sketchy results. The same events that qualified the players who would later on compete in this Extreme Cup. Why are they eyeballing at the highest level of competitive play 😵💫
Blader from Singapore here 😁
In our local official tourneys, we risk disqualification if we challenge the judges/GMs on their call - I'm assuming the reason why nobody spoke up is because this event held a similar stance.
It's just a bit surprising that there wasn't at least 2 judges for such a large-scale event (to cover multiple angles and potential blind spots like what happened here) - This is a common practice for our G2s/G1s and it's not like the Asia Championship was short on such resources...
I hope the organisers take this as a learning experience and at least delivers a statement soon - Everyone, especially Thailand's BBX community, deserves closure on this 🙏
@@Resanctified yeah it’s crazy how big the event is but you can’t call a judge to review it? In Pokémon or yugioh or any other large scale event you can call a judge to help review and make a decision. They need to fix this.
@@nizumabladerI just wish we could've celebrated Zane's win under better circumstances ☹️
@ for sure, he still won his other matches and there is no question he’s a good player. Definitely no hate towards him, I feel bad for both players in this situation. Super uncomfortable situation.
@@nizumabladerDefinitely. I've played against Zane a few times in community tourneys, and can attest to his level of skill/knowledge of the game 🎉
I'm sure the same can be said for Por too!
Would've loved to see how the match played out if the right call was made 👍
yea, to add on as a player who went for one of the G1 tournaments in Singapore (specifically the one at Bugis+ back in May of this year), the fear if we were to say the call was wrongly done and we would have to forfeit our position in the competition is there. some of the judges can look scary :(
but yea, hope that takara can solve the issue soon...
Our local tournaments are very strict with the replay footage. They also ensure that both players do not see the footage as to prevent arguments.
The fact that not a single replay has been shown on this level is insane
to me.
Tournament organizer for a community in Manila here. When we review calls, we show our players the replay footage for transparency and so they fully understand why that call was made. At 240fps slow motion, the results get pretty clear. The slowmo replays are really entertaining as well and so after some editing we’d send the most exciting ones to the community chat and sometimes the Philippine FB group. Its a way to hype players up and get others interested to try as well
Something to point out!
They usually private their livestreams and make it public again after a few days! It was the same for X-TREME CUP GP 2024 so i feel the stream being set to private isn't to "hide" the controversy but more of like their standard way of doing things.
That being said, i think it would be good if they make it so where players or someone on the scene should be able to challenge the call or call for a review.
Also, there's a line in the official rules:
"If you do not comply with the staff or judge’s decisions regarding the use of “Beyblade X”, you may be asked to refrain from participating in the event or tournament."
Hence, i think the players and viewers might feel powerless which probably explains the troubled look on zane's face
Yeah I mean I get the rule of not being able to comply but you should be able to question the outcome when it’s this obvious
TT should start installing more cameras to the sides of the stadiums that are capable of slow-mo reply in the future.
Zankye’s dran buster casually breaking lenses
Even in the anime they have replay footage, so why not irl? It's in every other sport
This should definitely be ammended in the rules or match proceedings
The fact that there should be a built-in system to challenge the call of an official is present in every competitive sport/game. Even in the the attempt to save time TT should still have given players 1 or 2 chances to challenge the call if they feel like there is a blatant mistake.
Nah this is wild. Our local judges are better than this. The fact you cant dispute a call is yet another reason this will never be a "sport" like takara claims it to be. Any other sport out there, players can challenge calls of the refs (i think the coach does it on their behalf, but still some form of dispute is possible).
The fact that players have to abide by the judge's call without given a chance to sound out is quite stupid
Why isn't the judge stationed on the side of the pockets, if the lip creates a blind spot
As someone who was spectating the event live, it was only noticeable looking at the top down camera, the WR bit seemed to have burst out of sight when it went into the Extreme Zone and then returned to the dome and hit the AP causing it to burst. The crowd sitting at ground level may not have noticed, but the 2nd and 3rd floor spectators definitely saw it. The announcers I'm not sure if they noticed it, they didn't seem to comment on it. But I can say from where the judge was standing, it would make sense why he didn't catch it: the Extreme Zone's lip would be blocking sight of the bit, and the WR's burst would very likely be in that Judge's blind spot. I think the judge should have inspected the WR before announcing it the winner to see if it was fully intact. All of this is very easy to catch in slow motion and with hindsight, but in the heat of the moment with both beys at full speed, it wasn't clear what the situation was. Many folks at the event trusted the judge's decision given there wasn't an Instant Replay given to the crowd to refer to. This is definitely something that should be included in future BIG tournaments like this, not just for credibility of the event, but also for fun reaction content. Sports events LOVE instant replays of scores/goals/etc. There were also a number of Spin Finishes that would have merited use of immediate Instant Replay after every point. I also believe Players SHOULD have the right to request a replay of the point if they feel the judge made an error in judgment, Judges are human and make mistakes like anyone.
great review of the matter bro. i watched the whole thing and once the bad call happened things got crazy in the live chat and the intermission before the next match got extended a lot, makes me think they were actually talking about what happened and i really hope they were seeing what the chat was saying i mean it was bonkers in there. i agree with your thoughts about doing things better next time and yea they should definitely have a side camera and play replays for hard to see instances.
It's crazy that local tournaments have phones recording for accurate calls but an official competition is just eye balling it 🤣
I hope other beytubers make a video about this so TT can't just brush this aside.
I agree that we should be able to contest the decision with a video review at the least. This is why I won’t start my matches until cameras are rolling and a judge is actually paying attention. I learned the hard way.
Multiple audio tracks was unexpected
New RUclips feature, how’s it sound?
@nizumablader i'm yet to see more of it!
As a Singaporean Blader this is quite shocking never expected this to happen
I'm Italian and I recently took part in an official Beyblade tournament (I reached the quarter finals) but the competitiveness was high even if most of the Beyblades were the usual Soar Phoenix, Sword dran , dran dagger etc incredibly there were few Kell sharks and some roar tyranno My brother was the first to bring Yell Kong I also used an atypical combination Sword dran 3-60 ball
This was crazy to watch last night. I was hanging out with Galactic and some others while watching this go down, and it was crazy to see the entire chat just go wild. Definitely not Zane's fault, but they definitely should have a different angled camera or maybe even a second judge. Someone in our call said something about "The judge was looking from an angle where they didn't see the bit burst on Wizard Rod" or something along the lines of that which I could kinda see making sense, but there's a lot we don't know from just seeing the overhead view... Either way, awesome vid bro! Hope that "thing" gets to ya soon! -J
To put some more recognition on this kind of situation, I would like to see this controversy with the miscalling be implemented in the anime in some way. We’ve seen just how corrupt X’s world is compared to our own world with some of the sponsors being greedy, how “copy and pasting” can get you easy clout, and idol worship can lead to consequences. This would be a way for TT to acknowledge that they messed up during this tournament in a meta way, but there still has to be accountability on the actual competitive scene. Time and effort on Por’s part were completely wasted all because of the judge’s final call.
unfortunately, they won't be doing that since this has already proven to be a huge stain on brand's image.
This was a real stain on an otherwise great tournament. I think the private issue is not because of the controversy, they did a similar thing with the Japanese Championships and made it public a few days later.
I’d be embarrassed to make it public again, the comments will be torn apart
@@nizumablader And so they should be, TT needs to know how the fans and players feel. Guess we'll find out!
@nizumablader it's unprivated, though comments are (currently) disabled
@ that’s hilarious
TT not knowing how a replay system or judge system works for sports or competitve gaming kinda proves the sham that beyblade is competitively until real hard rules are made globally at all levels of play not just a on a peice of paper in a package or a blurb online.
i think japan should ban beys that r not released in other countries like aero pegasus etc. in PH, the official distributor BANKEE not allowing purchases outside their product lines.
Players should absolutely be allowed to challenge judge calls within reason. Judges are not perfect, and a single person can easily miss things especially when only viewing the stadium from a single side.
i don't think the stream was taken down due to the controversy, instead it was removed and is being edited down so that when it gets reposted the beaks that occured during the stream won't be there. this happened with the last stream they did as well
I really hope that after this situation, they implement instant replay cameras so that judges can make better calls. It's pretty normalized in every other sport
Yeah it’s crazy this is being filmed and streamed and even the chat in the live stream was talking about it and they still stuck with the call they made.
Yea even when we played g3 , g2 or g1 in Singapore . We would normally have 2 judge looking carefully at the match incase of situation like this.
another blader from singapore here! my sister happened to be in japan and watched the matches while video calling with me, i did not see this happening even though i watched the match live from a video call so the quality was quite bad. still though, zane is a very skilled blader and we wish we could have celebrated his win under better circumstances like what fellow sg blader resanctified said
I had to watch it twice to see it, but dude you are right 😮😮...
Now I am still a very new player to the competitive beyblade world, but I watch a lot of battles and I have since I was a kid.
I know how to make a call and I saw Zane burst,
2 points to Por.
Score is 2 to 3. Or should be
He should’ve said something screw being disqualified it’s just sportsmanship. They can’t ban everyone or else they’ll have no tournaments and if they can’t be good judges then ppl will just do their own tourneys
Honestly, let them do their own tournaments. B4 is essentially obsolete.
The judge definitely made a bad call there and it’s very speculative if Por could’ve made a comeback. But either way this was just on the judge. Zane definitely earned his championship win.
I think that it’s great that we are treating this miscall the same way we treat miscalls in other sports in a respectful manner.
The issue relies on the accuracy of the Judge.
For such a LARGE tournament, there should be footage and multiple judges for the final call. Not the guy with one view point.
With the tournaments i stream, I have the live feed on an iPad. we can always rewind and watch the round if its hard to tell the winner.
So what your saying is screw this noise, I’d rather play locals then competing at high level if this shits happening
If you put it that way, it's actually justifiable at this point to boycott official tournaments
@ yeah, kinda my point, not a sport if they eyeball every call and have no room for error
zanes face was like woody looking around andys room realizing he likes buzz more
You have to understand in these cultures you can not argue with the ones in charge, it is not acceptable under any circumstances.
He cant say something because if he embarrasses anyone he wont be allowed back.
You can say that but if the call is clearly wrong it’s ridiculous to not be able to say anything. You can in yugioh, pokemon, any other competitive hobby.
I remember a MFB tourney video when I was in elementary school, judge was showing favouritism against the white guy. That memory really stuck with me and this issue reminds me of how OP the judges are in their decision.
#r4forpor
I used to be a high level (Nationals) Yu-Gi-Oh player & this wouldn't stand. I once went to a Nationals with a Last Turn deck that had a tricky win condition & had 8 judges called on me one at a time to confirm my win.. all the way up to head judge. Nobody should have to accept the final call from the first judge.. expecially when the incident is recorded.
They unprivated the stream of the tourney but apparently the comment section has been disabled....I wonder why? 😅
Here in Colombia we do our own comunity Tournament and we do replays using our phones, there is no way we would have lets this situatión go went we can pause for 2 minutos to Review the footage
I saw it Live and in the back of my knew something was waayyyy off
I went to a wbo tourney in the uk about a week ago and that even had replays and we could ask judges to review footage. Odd that the top flight ones just don't
I think Zane didnt like this end
I really wish we could have celebrated the winner of the tournament better, than to be hated for something that is not his fault. Under the circumstances that it is not his homeland, not his main language and judge according to a different set of rules and regulations.
This situation is funny and sad at the same time. I point a finger to the judge and TT for the rules being set and who follows and who enforces them. I also point a finger to the player(s) for not speaking up. I blame the players more than I do the judge to be honest, for the simple fact that the judge could literally not have seen what happened and didn't have access to a replay. Probably has access to replays but since no one said anything, they moved along with their decision. Asians are just too polite it seems, a bad decision happened and they just took it.
Singaporean blader here, huge props to Zane for representing and winning for us! (Despite the huge controversy)
In our local community here, in official games, G3, G2 and G1, we were drilled by the organizers that judge's calls are final. No video recordings, nor external party have the rights to argue against their calls and it is final. Community tournaments by shops are less strict tho.
So I would not blame Zane for not sounding out. I think that the B4 should have done better. Multiple judges, multiple camera angles, or something.
Definitely no hate towards Zane, you could tell he looked super uncomfortable during the whole thing. I think this is an issue with not being able to ask for a review of the round.
then he shouldn't be calling out other players in G1 for organiser or judge's decision for integrity issue.
@ my issue is no one said anything, the announcers, the crowd, other judges. No one. The entire live chat was full of people talking about it as it happened. I’m not sure why saying that’s a problem is a bad thing. I don’t think Zane is at fault if they aren’t allowed to question it but there is an entire crowd, judges, and a panel of narrators who also said nothing. If we don’t talk about it the chances that anything changes in the future is pretty slim. Would you want this to happen to you at a high level tournament like this and not be able to say anything?
@@SuitsCook That one is our own local drama, don't really need to bring it out. 🤣
@@nizumablader I agree, i think the organizers have more work to do. Especially if they want to make it a very competitive sport.
Yeah I was watching when that happened live in the chat was going crazy over that they kept calling Zane a cheat. Saying Justice for Por. Yes it might have been a bad call of the Judges call but we still don't know who would have won that match. The rules over there are much different than the rules over here. Example being if you miss launch or if you self KO you get a relaunch but over there if you do any of that it still counts. And the judges don't really look at footage it's all based on the judges call.
Yeah that’s a fair point, I’m not calling Zane a cheat. This is the judges fault, I understand there’s some ruling differences but this is a clear cut case of one bursting before the other. It’s just an incorrect call by the judge.
@nizumablader I absolutely agree with you on that. To be honest I wasn't one of the people calling him a cheat. I knew that this was a bad judgement call and that the rules are just different over there. I was actually trying to calm down the people in the chat telling that Zane did not cheat it was just a judge made a really bad call.
Call it goofy, but I want TT to give the men a rematch as compensation. That, and for players to be able to interject on judges' calls. If both Player A and B agree that Player A clearly won, then the judge should review the footage for reconsideration.
*The Beyblade X Equivalent* of *Reimu VS. Yorihime from Touhou Project!*
if they had the stadium on in view of the ref this would not have happened. I would have definitely been vocal about this because it was pretty obvious that Zane lost. I know japan is known for not arguing with officials in sports or anything but this a time where someone should have said something
it is best if there would be technical timeouts for critical calls
@@rackzhobbiesandsports1987 I agree
Por should be compensated in someway. This is very unacceptable, anyone who participated in g1 know how hard it is to win a g1 tournament.
This is like a once in a lifetime opportunity and there is no way anyone get to compete a second chance because of how hard it is.
Anyone would be salty as hell to lose in such a unfair way. I hope more content creators speak out for Por.
Poor guy
You know it’s bad when Nizuma makes a video
And they want to include BBX in the Olymoic Sports, and yet, they tolerate this kind of judging
No sé si la transmisión fue puesta en privado por esa controversia, el campeonato Japonés también fue puesto en privado y no hubo una controversia como está... Pero los jugadores si pueden argumentar con el árbitro según el reglamento (si no mal recuerdo), Pero es Japón, allá con tal de no entrar en conflicto no dicen nada y acatan lo que dice el árbitro, en Occidente es muy diferente... 😅
If it wasn't for the miscalling, wizard rod would've definitely lost that time. Got into beyblade x last November so im still kind of new to this. Sadly, I dont have a locals near me.
Por going in his Red Eye ark
When I am not certain when I judge I always go to the tale of the tape. Part of the problem is that judges need to be held to a higher standard because this is actually unfair. He clearly burst and shouldn't have won that battle. It's just very disappointing.
Beyblade x has reached my country too and hopefully more in the UK
i get judge calls being final not being able to question the judges without being thrown out of the event is actually insane that's how you get corrupt judges.
In many sports what ref says goes. But yeah for sure this is messed up. Where can a person watch matches like this. Would love to watch these pro matches
My guess on Zane is he can't speak Japanese hence the confused look, but anyway, even without the bit burst, it was an obvious Xtreme Finish against Rod because Rod hit the Xtreme wall, the wall is there to protect parts from flying not bouncing back, that should've been an obvious elimination.
Pocket rebounds are allowed
@@jirehchoo2151I just discovered it on another comment, you are right, I got this mixed up with WBO, damn, it's really stupid for pocket rebound to be allow like that, imagined KO annoying combo like Rod and Wolf but still lose over rebound.
I've heard of nfl referees be sent death threats over missed/bad calls. This is crazy
Damn thats super lame... Thanks for pointing this out!
Yeah that was rough. There should definitely be appeals and reviewing of footage in situations like this. The winner should not look uncomfortable from winning
I agree, I think it was super uncomfortable for both players in this instance.
I was there at the live competition, both players was confused. And adding to the language barrier, it didn't help at all.
Bro's taking Charlie's job 😂😂😂
Zane showed real sportsmanship as he knows that at heart he lost this match.
Honestly, if we're going to see this in future tournaments going forward, this is only going to be the start of the decline of official Beyblade X tournaments. That judge should've been fired for that decision on the spot. Except the corpos at Takara Tomy decided to let his decision be final which is a stupid decision. If I was spectating this tournament, I would've just chanted "bulls***" and booed the referee for that terrible decision.
Firing the judge would be extreme, we're humans and prone to make mistakes. What there should be, regardless, is video review. The idea that the judge's call is final is not the fault of the judge, but the system. As such, the system needs to change.
Oh yeah the CM read the chats but never bother to brought up any sudden interjection that's being discussed. Like a puppet, I say.
Like everyone else said, the stream was later to be edited for later upload.
What I find about Beyblade was, they're still oldschool. For such a tech savvy society we're in, B4 still got the same mentality as the old gens in Japan. Not old beyblade gens, the OLD PEOPLE gens. Just look at the judging statement thingy. It's bs. I cannot compared this to football/soccer since the controversial are mostly due to corruption. This one was plain stupidity. I remember that one story about sumo match where the mayor fainted in the stadium. You can check the story on Google but here I'm not talking about gender discrimination but rather this whole situation about "upholding a rule" which could potentially costs something else.... (the announcement of new bey didn't excite me at all after this controversy 🤣)
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Huh, you got different languages now? I'm curious how you got so many so quickly.
Don’t worry nizuma ima represent North America for the world championship and this won’t happen (I’ve never been to a tournament)
Aye I believe in you
Sup fellow representative. You represent official battles right? For me I represent the Unofficial battles where all game. Use any beys from any gen to battle and that includes and mods, cheats, and even custom stuff is all fair game.
@ so I can use pre hybrid Libra finally 😃
@@PrestonGoodman-c7i I suppose you could 😅
@@NathanielOSoup So...The doping olympics of beyblade...
Damn, WizRod is such a hack even when it loses, it doesnt. lmao.
Hahahaha
Your vote in German is very interesting.
🤣 I want to hear it hahahaha
Faltou o uso do "VAR" para revisar a batalha. (Nizuma, the voice chance for an woman voice in the middle of videos😂)
Yeah, I don’t think RUclips has perfected the feature yet. It’s not me, it’s RUclips lol.
Oof. Yea. Thats a HEFTY miscall
This just set Takara Tomy's vision for the brand back 5 years.
The video had a german title for me and when i clicked on it the audio was a german text to speech voice ... I guess youtube is testing a new ai translation feature
Interesting, how is it? Is there an option to change the audio for you or is it stuck on the ai audio? Should I keep that feature or turn it off?
How is that video in french 😂 didnt know RUclips could do that
@@EVOL-Hobby it’s a new feature, you can change the audio track in the settings on the video
@ that s really Nice
No hate to the bladers who participated, especially towards Zane, because he even seemed somewhat confused when the controversial call was made. But what I strongly believe is that the judges made a wrong call, and if the live stream camera can pickup the issue, I do believe others had also seen the issue. So they definitely were somewhat complacent with the event, and at this point there should be some scope of interjection from players and spectators. If it was an occurrence 20 years ago, the blindsided judgment was understandable, but with all the technological advancements, this is definitely unacceptable. We don't even get any official tournaments, but for the ones that are organised here in Kolkata, India, by my friend @ad_beyblade, he always uses smartphones to record all the matches and in case of any confusion he checks footages before making a call. So, such a controversial decision by the official refs from Asia Championship is definitely not expected. Again no hate towards any bladers, and I am sure Zane is not at fault.
What happened? Did rods layer hit the ratchet
First clash, Wizard gets launched into the X pocket, hits the back wall, bit pops out, blade and ratchet are still together and bounce back in. The second clash must have hit Pegasus ratchet and burst it that way. I can understand how the judge wouldn't have seen the bit ejection from where he was standing, but it was still a wrong call and there should be measures in place to prevent that. Even the judge just standing on the other side of the stadium would have helped.
Funny you used yugioh as example xD there has been so much cheating caught on live streams of big events and is a topic that pops up almost yearly. With beyblade I can see how there is an honest mistake on the judges part with human error. Im assuming that questioning judges can lead to other issues which is why the players didnt raise it if they caught it
People have to remember that over in Asian countries their culture is VERY different from ours. Over there you don’t argue with superiors like referees. Also the mentality that most have over there is that they do not want to be a burden on someone. So they will grit their teeth and just accept things like this.
However, if TT really wants beyblade to grow into a full sport they definitely need to move away from naked eye refereeing. X is the fastest version of beyblade ever. It’s faster than the naked eye can see.
Cultural or not if the judge is making incorrect calls in a major tournament like this it’s a problem.
@ I’m not saying it’s not a problem. I’m saying this is why no one said anything, and is why judging with the naked eye and only the naked eye for a “sport” is wrong.
U have a German dub now?
It’s a new feature from RUclips. I have no idea how good or bad it is.
Its good but its ai😭@@nizumablader
@ an ai voice lol, I can turn it off but I wanted to hear from people how it sounded. I can’t speak other languages so I thought people might find it more accessible this way. Is there an option as a viewer to change it to its original language?
There is so dont worry
I think thats judge blind spot, but since no one complains on that time so the show go on.
@@elsicario4733 the problem is players aren’t allowed to question the judges decision which is ridiculous in this case.
@@nizumablader yeah.. if im in Bangkok positions, i will ask it anyway😂 got nothing to lose
How do you know no one call? Thai staff and Por friends there call and do the action but TT staff didnt care.
I thought I was trippin, the video was in Spanish xd
It’s a new RUclips feature. How’s it sound?
Thai staff and everyone from thailand does remonstrate that day. But the organizer just say the result has been decide and nothing can be change. This event is very big but the organizer take it lightly. Even they know they wrong they did not have the brave to fix it. Also the comentator even though they know the result is wrong they just silence and let it pass.That why i think the organizer is very ugly. Asia championship huh? More like a child play. I understand the judge is human and human can be error buy hey whay is this year it 2024 right ? Why they still use this old fahion way to judge ? No var no second judge ? Bruh...
They need to change the way they judge, if everyone can see it on camera then they need to review it again or call another judge.
@@nizumabladersure they need to. this controversy is completely destroy two good athlete for por his tourney have to end in unfair way it hard to accept and will be the scar in his life. for zane he is good i'm very glad he won tourney but is shame that many people sure think his victory is flaw i am sure zane doesn't want this kind of victory too. I hope this would be the last case happen i dont want this to happen to anyone anymore 😢
Well, that was something I guess, lmao
I'm a Filipino blader and i lead Taguig All Stars here in the Philippines. We teach honesty and fair play here. Zane knows he lost that round with Por. We lost respect for him for not speaking out the truth.
It’s not so straightforward actually. Imagine being in an environment where you don’t understand the language, Zane appeared confused probably due to everything being announced in Japanese, he probably only knew he was awarded the two points when the screen on the stage was reflected. By then probably it’s too late to do anything
@@slyjvideosthey all understand english. English is a universal language its year 2024. A simple raise of a hand to call an attention would work, and speak your thoughts.
@@BlackbeardDotOne Based on the rules and regulations set, players are not allowed to contest with the judge's calling. It may not be the same for other countries, but in Japan ruling, it is stated this way.
And how would the players such as Zane or Por knew who won the points, to be honest, as a player who has participated in tournaments, when you're engrossed in the game and when it happens so fast, it is really hard to tell who would have won or gotten the points, hence we required to judge to tell us.
@@phantombreez3 with your words you lack the experience I play beyblade 12hrs-18hrs within a day every month been playing beybladex with bigger crowd than this since march 2024 and I'm old and experienced enough to isolate such feelings. I only rest when I'm sick brother. Is raising a concern a contest? With the right words you may speak your thoughts.
@@slyjvideos english language still a barrier now? It is 2024 brother.
wtf u r speaking in portuguese?
No lol it’s a new RUclips feature, I have no idea how good or bad it is though. Does it sound alright?
Really Zane shouldve had integrity and told the judge. winning a tournament but knowing you let a bad call slide would make the win bitter sweet
How would the players such as Zane or Por knew who won the points, to be honest, as a player who has participated in tournaments, when you're engrossed in the game and when it happens so fast, it is really hard to tell who would have won or gotten the points, hence we required the judge to make the call and give score.
The Unworthy Champion
Nah, Zane is a great player. He won all his other matches. I don’t fault him, it’s very possible he would have beaten por anyway but we can never know.
They cheated bro the ref must’ve been paid off😂
If there was a cheating, would they have given it to other countries? Hmmm
Bad judge calls are how you know its a real sport