The honesty is 100% welcome. I bought a borderline neglected n54 335i and I’ve spent almost $8000 in parts to get it to 100%. Love it to death, but people need to be aware of what they are getting in to.
#Nathan how much would you u charge to tear one of them engine apart and put back together.. I’m glad you brought the S85 back to the channel Damn yo #GreatChannel #Nate #BMW
I'm surprised how much varnish there was, usually with full synthetic oil it stays nice and clean unless they went too long between oil changes. Pretty neat setup with just the one chain and two straight cut gears on the cams....I'm used to Ford's with multiple chains, too many chains lol
@@Lester.M Oh yeah I'd be changing that oil every 5k! But some people with money to burn do not know how to take care of things. I hope he takes us for a test ride after he is done!!!
The level of varnish looks a little dark but I wouldn't consider by just looking at the colour that the V10 has been poorly serviced. My V8 runs 5W30 and has oil changes between the scheduled logbook services using synthetic oil and that honey colouring is still present but lighter than the V10.
Bro, don’t clean the injectors just get new ones. I’ve never seen cleaned injectors not leak afterwards causing catastrophic problems. Hope this helps!
Agreed. I have seen to many times people get their injectors cleaned professionally only for them to leak and have problems with them. Just bite the bullet and buy new ones. Save time and hassle of having to pull them out a second time.
These S85 engines when torn down should be like new inside, no sludge. The sludge shows long oil change intervals and is one of the main reasons the bearings pick up and spin… the top rod bearing wear is fairly normal for the mileage but the oil was old and could not keep the oil wedge keeping the metal parts apart… made worse by not warming the engine up to full operating temperature including the oil temp and just beating on it.
From the looks of it that engine was severely neglected. If I owned a car that nice the engine would be super clean. That one is filthy. I owned an ‘88 E30 M-3. I bought it in ‘94 and it looked brand new when I sold it in 2000 with 167,000 miles on it. Best sports car I’ve ever owned and I really regret selling it. They’re worth a fortune today! Having just found your channel,what is the purpose of buying these cars? Buy it,fix it,and flip it? You are obviously not a collector.
You have a ton of n54, n55, and n63/s63 viewers. More than you know I think. Would love to see a build/ rebuild like this on one of the turbocharged engines. Hope you get one of those projects at some point but anyway this is fantastic
I'm about 30% done watching this. I have this amazing machine (in my 2007 e64 M6). I've owned it 2 years and so far it has been a great machine. I've put a lot work into it doing preventative maintenance. It was a 1 owner warm climate car. The only issue I've had thus far was a bad coil. I replaced all coils and plugs. I did have my bearings, vanos line, water pump, and a host of other things done that I felt were beyond my garage mechanic capabilities. I also installed Eisenmann Race Exhaust. I SO appreciate this video as it's such a great breakdown of the motor's various components, how they come off, etc... So valuable! My next project was to do the actuators and probably injectors. I was a bit apprehensive given that plenum removal/reinstall, but I think I'll be ok after watching several videos. Your video is the first video where i've seen the actuators come out and taken apart - thank you! The other issue I worry about is the SMG pump and various components.. So far so good. I'm hopeful it hangs on for me. I did have to replace my DSC pump which was a BITCH of an expense. It came from Germany and supposedly they're in very short supply. I love this car though, and this motor. Always have. I believe the right specimens will be collectables soon enough - especially ones that have been loved and cared for, like mine. I've enjoyed working on it so far! I have convinced myself I need a lift. ;). Anyway, thanks for the video! I will be finishing it up later for sure!
People need to know the pluses and minuses of any brand. Being a BMW fan means spending money on repairs. Significantly more money than certain other brands. That’s just a fact that one must come to terms with before they dive in.
i think the stretch bolts on these head are junk. many people say they were loose upon disassembly. 12:1 compression could possibly overwhelm those turd sticks
Hi Nathan, I also have an E60 M5. Did bearings, maintenance on it and always warmed it up before ripping on it. Drove it 30k miles. Did the injectors preventively with new ones from FCP. A month later the #10 piston detonated and the ring land broke. There's also a hole in #10 piston. I think I had a faulty new injector. However, I'm thinking about going stroker. New crank, rods and pistons. Since cyl #10 bore is scored, I was also thinking about sleeving and rebuilding back to stock.. Still on the fence about how to rebuild it. I was even thinking of going forged rods and forged MAHLE 4032 pistons in a replacement block. In your case, seems like the metal shavings from the bearings stopped up all 4 vanos solenoids causing the rough running. Very common when the bearings wear out and copper gets into the oil.
Should the vanos be hot to the touch i have no more mechanical issues its just hot all the time not sure if thats normal or not dont wanna mess anything up?
Great video, I am currently in the process of rebuilding my engine, and your video definitely helped big time. For the engine stand, what size bolts did you use to mount the engine to the stand ?
Hey brother Nathan i meed some expertise please ! I have gotten my self into a situation x5 09 , Problems Random misfires Valvtronic low voltage code Always misfire on cylinder New plugs ngk iridium 9.99 Slightly used coils I manually adjusted to start , should i manually adjust to get rid ok cel and engines reduced power ? Ive heard when tou do that you disconnect the sensors , i suppose its like a built in fine tune if it works like that . Please hit me up when tou get a chance . Funny your doung this engine i just took my m6 v10 back to dealer , made him payoff , lets says customer wasnt happy with product , lol 😂 Thnks bro , i watch the guy feom the uk he said you got some Forte , um i meed one of them asap
If you watch any S85 strip down video’s on youtube they all act surprised at the lack of tension on the head bolts… it is just how they are and not a ‘fault’ or issue 👍
Glad you are honest about the brand, some people can’t handle the truth. With BMWs I have come to learn if you cannot wrench on the car, labor alone will eat you alive. Parts on certain models, is just like any other car. Also, it’s not a Chevy, when there’s a leak or a little problem that on most engines wouldn’t be an issue, better fix it, cause it will cause more issues very quickly. Maintaining a BMW is key, and when you notice an issue fix it right away, and don’t cheap out.
The head gaskets are OEM Also the clean crowns on the one piston and matching head is from the rod bearing wear allowing the piston to hit the head… the squish clearance is really tight on these engines.
I don't know that I'll ever work on an engine like this, or even own one of these cars, but I thoroughly enjoyed this video. Very impressive Nathan. Thank you.
Interested in seeing the turnout. I bought an 06 M5 about a month ago with a rod knock and I’m debating whether or not to go this route or buy a replacement engine and do rod bearing service. I was told that these crankshafts are not machinable but here I’ve found some hope.
You always act with calmness no matter the disaster , always give a direction in real world advice, you never cease to amaze me. Best regards in the M5, there is no doubt when it is turned loose into the market, it's at the top
I was working on the S85 engine and doing the rod bearings job. I started the tear-down process about a year ago but became busy with life and did not have much time, but now I'm ready to continue working on the S85. I have already completed the bearing for cylinders 3, 5, 9, and 10. I was going to rotate the engine "clockwise," and it would not move. I am using the BMW crankshaft adaptor, thinking that would help, but it did not change anything. I have bought some fogging oil, thinking the cylinders might be dry since the car sat for a year, but could it be anything else? Any other ideas to check? I did not have any issues with the replacements of the rad bearings, and I followed the TIS. Thoughts?
Sir. You have an Awesome Vehicle Shop and May I suggest you Need to buy the Dry Ice Sand basting machine and leave the Spray Cans cleaner alone for health reasons. You could have them sponsor your show. Last do you think a V10 be installed in a 2016 BMW X 6? Thanks.
Thanks for your bmw videos I have a important question on the video on the 1351 lower hose Is there anyway you can email me or I email you Texting is find to
It’s almost 1 AM here, and I slammed 5 beers and watched this whole video while sauced as hell. Awesome vid 👍
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Hey Nathan, what's the recommended beer to belly ratio to work on this ol beast ??? 🤓🤓
The honesty is 100% welcome. I bought a borderline neglected n54 335i and I’ve spent almost $8000 in parts to get it to 100%. Love it to death, but people need to be aware of what they are getting in to.
don't do that
DO NOT bother cleaning the injectors on this engine... The genuine bosch injectors are not expensive... Like £350 for all 10
Using that 1/2 electric impact on delicate engine hardware isn’t something I would ever do. But hey it’s not my s85
#Nathan how much would you u charge to tear one of them engine apart and put back together.. I’m glad you brought the S85 back to the channel
Damn yo #GreatChannel #Nate #BMW
I'm surprised how much varnish there was, usually with full synthetic oil it stays nice and clean unless they went too long between oil changes. Pretty neat setup with just the one chain and two straight cut gears on the cams....I'm used to Ford's with multiple chains, too many chains lol
It’s crazy is people bought these cars and didn’t take proper care.
@@Lester.M Oh yeah I'd be changing that oil every 5k! But some people with money to burn do not know how to take care of things. I hope he takes us for a test ride after he is done!!!
The level of varnish looks a little dark but I wouldn't consider by just looking at the colour that the V10 has been poorly serviced. My V8 runs 5W30 and has oil changes between the scheduled logbook services using synthetic oil and that honey colouring is still present but lighter than the V10.
@@jeffthejinjer Due to PCV design some engines are going to varnish even running synthetic especially at extended intervals.
New crankshaft On a the way 😆🥲
how are the cylinder walls looking with the pistons out?
I will tell you what went wrong. Everything from Bayerische motoren werks!. 😂
Bro, don’t clean the injectors just get new ones. I’ve never seen cleaned injectors not leak afterwards causing catastrophic problems. Hope this helps!
Agreed. I have seen to many times people get their injectors cleaned professionally only for them to leak and have problems with them. Just bite the bullet and buy new ones. Save time and hassle of having to pull them out a second time.
These S85 engines when torn down should be like new inside, no sludge. The sludge shows long oil change intervals and is one of the main reasons the bearings pick up and spin… the top rod bearing wear is fairly normal for the mileage but the oil was old and could not keep the oil wedge keeping the metal parts apart… made worse by not warming the engine up to full operating temperature including the oil temp and just beating on it.
From the looks of it that engine was severely neglected. If I owned a car that nice the engine would be super clean. That one is filthy. I owned an ‘88 E30 M-3. I bought it in ‘94 and it looked brand new when I sold it in 2000 with 167,000 miles on it. Best sports car I’ve ever owned and I really regret selling it. They’re worth a fortune today! Having just found your channel,what is the purpose of buying these cars? Buy it,fix it,and flip it? You are obviously not a collector.
You have a ton of n54, n55, and n63/s63 viewers. More than you know I think. Would love to see a build/ rebuild like this on one of the turbocharged engines. Hope you get one of those projects at some point but anyway this is fantastic
N54 here! I agree
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I'm about 30% done watching this. I have this amazing machine (in my 2007 e64 M6). I've owned it 2 years and so far it has been a great machine. I've put a lot work into it doing preventative maintenance. It was a 1 owner warm climate car. The only issue I've had thus far was a bad coil. I replaced all coils and plugs. I did have my bearings, vanos line, water pump, and a host of other things done that I felt were beyond my garage mechanic capabilities. I also installed Eisenmann Race Exhaust. I SO appreciate this video as it's such a great breakdown of the motor's various components, how they come off, etc... So valuable! My next project was to do the actuators and probably injectors. I was a bit apprehensive given that plenum removal/reinstall, but I think I'll be ok after watching several videos. Your video is the first video where i've seen the actuators come out and taken apart - thank you! The other issue I worry about is the SMG pump and various components.. So far so good. I'm hopeful it hangs on for me. I did have to replace my DSC pump which was a BITCH of an expense. It came from Germany and supposedly they're in very short supply. I love this car though, and this motor. Always have. I believe the right specimens will be collectables soon enough - especially ones that have been loved and cared for, like mine. I've enjoyed working on it so far! I have convinced myself I need a lift. ;). Anyway, thanks for the video! I will be finishing it up later for sure!
Very informative information! Enjoyed this video and you're special Talent!!!!
Not many things that are dirty, oily and mechanical, qualify as beautiful. But these engines are actually beautiful to look at. To me anyhow.
People need to know the pluses and minuses of any brand. Being a BMW fan means spending money on repairs. Significantly more money than certain other brands. That’s just a fact that one must come to terms with before they dive in.
i think the stretch bolts on these head are junk. many people say they were loose upon disassembly. 12:1 compression could possibly overwhelm those turd sticks
I’d use electric ratchet on the spark plugs after breaking them loose, or on some other items more delicate then wheel bolts, not the impact
Great content 👍👍👍👍👍
Hi Nathan, I also have an E60 M5. Did bearings, maintenance on it and always warmed it up before ripping on it. Drove it 30k miles. Did the injectors preventively with new ones from FCP. A month later the #10 piston detonated and the ring land broke. There's also a hole in #10 piston. I think I had a faulty new injector. However, I'm thinking about going stroker. New crank, rods and pistons. Since cyl #10 bore is scored, I was also thinking about sleeving and rebuilding back to stock.. Still on the fence about how to rebuild it. I was even thinking of going forged rods and forged MAHLE 4032 pistons in a replacement block. In your case, seems like the metal shavings from the bearings stopped up all 4 vanos solenoids causing the rough running. Very common when the bearings wear out and copper gets into the oil.
Sorry to hear that. How was the #10 rod?
Those shiny spots on the piston are where the excess play in the rod bearing is allowing the piston to hit the head face
really cool to see this vanos design compared to my 90s m52 vanos design
Should the vanos be hot to the touch i have no more mechanical issues its just hot all the time not sure if thats normal or not dont wanna mess anything up?
what oil do you recommend for this engine rather than oem spec api ?
I’m on market place like👀👀 oh that’s not half bad
FIRST!!!
Was this engine knocking?
Really interesting to watch you sort through all the issues.
Its idle actuator mother board faulty
@@UChiFpTm0zZjZ2umagxD8eQA What is the correct measure for the main bearings and Vanos ? The OE bearing matrial is pretty dumb imo
Great video, I am currently in the process of rebuilding my engine, and your video definitely helped big time. For the engine stand, what size bolts did you use to mount the engine to the stand ?
Wow . Getting right to it
Hey brother Nathan i meed some expertise please ! I have gotten my self into a situation x5 09 ,
Problems
Random misfires
Valvtronic low voltage code
Always misfire on cylinder
New plugs ngk iridium 9.99
Slightly used coils
I manually adjusted to start , should i manually adjust to get rid ok cel and engines reduced power ? Ive heard when tou do that you disconnect the sensors , i suppose its like a built in fine tune if it works like that .
Please hit me up when tou get a chance .
Funny your doung this engine i just took my m6 v10 back to dealer , made him payoff , lets says customer wasnt happy with product , lol 😂
Thnks bro , i watch the guy feom the uk he said you got some Forte , um i meed one of them asap
If you watch any S85 strip down video’s on youtube they all act surprised at the lack of tension on the head bolts… it is just how they are and not a ‘fault’ or issue 👍
Glad you are honest about the brand, some people can’t handle the truth. With BMWs I have come to learn if you cannot wrench on the car, labor alone will eat you alive. Parts on certain models, is just like any other car. Also, it’s not a Chevy, when there’s a leak or a little problem that on most engines wouldn’t be an issue, better fix it, cause it will cause more issues very quickly. Maintaining a BMW is key, and when you notice an issue fix it right away, and don’t cheap out.
Anyone know of someone in northwestern PA area, (200 mile radius) that does rod bearings on S85?
I saw a lot of 3D animation of engine parts , but this video is the best way to understand engine ,
Thanks for the content sir.
as you're taking this down I'm saying to self: How's that crank gonna look--will it polish?
there is 2005 m5 here being parted out with 60k miles. only problem is its in texas.
The head gaskets are OEM
Also the clean crowns on the one piston and matching head is from the rod bearing wear allowing the piston to hit the head… the squish clearance is really tight on these engines.
Great video, need some help
What bolts do you using, to mount the engine to the stand? Thanks
I used to watch the videos when u started with the e39 tell me you still have that thing nice to see you still doing it bro 😎
If there are that many spun bearings then the main caps probably took a beating also
This is the video I've been waiting for. I love my S85
Would you be interested in tearing down a s62 from my M5?
Great video! Thanks for taking the time to video the process.
Might not want to replace rings, piston yes though
I don't know that I'll ever work on an engine like this, or even own one of these cars, but I thoroughly enjoyed this video. Very impressive Nathan. Thank you.
Giving good love to the m6
Piston hitting head due to rod bearing being gone
oh it's been "rebuilt" alright
Interested in seeing the turnout. I bought an 06 M5 about a month ago with a rod knock and I’m debating whether or not to go this route or buy a replacement engine and do rod bearing service. I was told that these crankshafts are not machinable but here I’ve found some hope.
I am currently waiting on the machine shop ,for the crank to be turned but I will
Post a video on this car as soon as I get that back
You always act with calmness no matter the disaster , always give a direction in real world advice, you never cease to amaze me. Best regards in the M5, there is no doubt when it is turned loose into the market, it's at the top
lol yes i have seen a few disasters in my day
I was working on the S85 engine and doing the rod bearings job. I started the tear-down process about a year ago but became busy with life and did not have much time, but now I'm ready to continue working on the S85.
I have already completed the bearing for cylinders 3, 5, 9, and 10. I was going to rotate the engine "clockwise," and it would not move. I am using the BMW crankshaft adaptor, thinking that would help, but it did not change anything. I have bought some fogging oil, thinking the cylinders might be dry since the car sat for a year, but could it be anything else? Any other ideas to check? I did not have any issues with the replacements of the rad bearings, and I followed the TIS.
Thoughts?
Check bearing clearance
If engine is being disassembled, and vanos gears are out, then the chain might have got strangled.
Did you ever find that washer?
Yes sir as soon as I dumped the head upside down
MRE's in church?
Liked the teardown.
14th of October 2013, in the civilized world it's day, month, year
Sir. You have an Awesome Vehicle Shop and May I suggest you Need to buy the Dry Ice Sand basting machine and leave the Spray Cans cleaner alone for health reasons. You could have them sponsor your show. Last do you think a V10 be installed in a 2016 BMW X 6? Thanks.
So it seems like the shop was right with engine failure lol
How can you miss the fact that the 5th and 6th cyl piston hit the head?
Clear marks on both the piston and the head.
Thanks for your bmw videos
I have a important question on the video on the 1351 lower hose
Is there anyway you can email me or I email you Texting is find to