Why Prequel Resurgence ACTUALLY HAPPENED (Response to Gireum)
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- In this video, experience J.J. lose his temper as he is baffled by the sheer ignorance and lunacy of a video from someone who clearly has no idea what he's talking about. Join J.J. as he debunks a dead-wrong person and explains why Prequel Resurgence happened and the nuances behind appreciation of the Prequels.
In case you didn't notice, I have a lot to say to this guy. I don't even know how to pronounce his name, let alone spell it, having to backtrack to make sure I spelt it correctly. This was a video I absolutely had to put down as soon as possible, plus, I wanted my own shot to do what Anomaly Inc did responding to Weasel Batches.
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I really don't get why so many people insist that the prequels should've shown more of the war. *That wasn't the point!!*
Exactly.
This argument annoys me. Did they not pay attention to what the Prequels were about. They were about Anakin becoming Darth vader and the rise of the empire. That's it!!! The clone wars were simply a part of that but not the main focus. If they had the entire prequel trilogy focused on the war, it basically would have been OT 2.0. The republic vs separatist just like the OT's Rebels vs empire story
@@cowboys8897And that is what they want.
Why do people always complain about Maul, Grievous and Dooku but don't have a problem with the little development we get from Tarkin, Veers, and Boba Fett?
Or Snoke, Hux, or Phasma for that matter?
Those characters too.
Or Jabba, even? So he's a crime boss who likes to feed his dancers to the Rancor.
@@scepticalbeliever Yeah you could argue that too.
@@darthprime1990 those characters are even worse. they were all supposed to have arcs and improvements from maul grievous Dooku and Tarkin and boba fett but sheer failures.
I'm still laughing my ass off seeing the interview of the actress playing Phasma trying to describe her character describing along the lines if "we understand her through her actions" and what did we get in TFA and tlj
It's not bad that a character is cunning and cowardly. I mean look at Scar from Lion King. He's a villain that prefers to make plans, control and break down others over fighting them head on. But no one is saying Scar is bad character because he's not a fighter like Mufasa and later Simba.
9:40 Actually Anakin turned to the Dark Side not ONLY because he wanted to save Padme but a combination of factors. In a literary perspective, his downfall is led by his tragic flaws.
“The prequels were never good and people are just blinded by nostalgia and are the No Man Sky of Star Wars”
Prequels: The ability to speak does not make you intelligent, now get out of here 🤦🏻♂️
For real. The Prequels literally had a large fanbase back in the day, especially outside the English speaking world.
Sure, the Prequels were quite rough around the edges, but they’re still awesome.
If anything, TCW didn’t save the Prequels, The Multimedia Project did
@@SolurVoludun TCW ruins the prequels if anything. So many problems just lining that show up with the movies alone, to say nothing of the multimedia project or beyond.
@@NoobTamer indeed. The main one is that Ahsoka is never implied to have ever existed in the movies. ROTS Anakin and TCW Anakin are totally different characters, and there’s no way in hell the former could ever have had a Padawan. Not to mention that when Order 66 comes down, not a single clone trooper says “Good Soldiers follow orders”
This deserves more views than that other guy
It has gotten more views than the other guy, to my suprise
@@j.j.plagiarisms7149 Impressive. Most Impressive.
Gireum: RedLetterMedia said these movies are bad so I’m here to explain why they still suck
Me: Have you been in the Star Wars community EVER!?!
Redlettermedia pretty much ruined next generation for Star Wars fans.
10:27-10:47 my GOD that part pissed me off so much, not only does he not understand the prequels he also doesn't understand zack snyder's dc movies.
I don't like Zack Snyder's DCEU movies but I imagine Gireum hates them for shallow at best and disingenuous at worst reasons considering his standards.
Zack is trash though cope dceu Stan
i didn't piss me, having my favorite director be compared to such a master like George Lucas just fills me with pride
but yeah, there is lots of intersect between Snyder haters, Disney cultist and prequel haters, probably because all three are dumb as all shit
@@wall4215Piss off dceu hater. Zack is awesome and you can go off yourself
@@wall4215Snyder Cut JL is better than every MCU movie. You can't change my mind. 👍
I perfectly understood the politics in the PT when I was 12 years old, I had a good grasp on IRL politics when I was 10, and I originally saw Revenge of The Sith in theaters when I was 7 and I understood 80% of what was happening (most of the things I didn't understand was chalked up to I hadn't seen Episodes 1 and 2 yet). I am sick of the 12 Year Old quote being brought up every time people argue for why Star Wars should be stupid and childish (note, "appeal to kids" does not mean "childish").
I went into ROTS only ever seeing the OT (which I was introduced to by my folks on VHS), as a 7 year old, and understood most of what was happening and liked it and fully understood it by the time I was 12 when I watched the whole saga a few times over and developed a grasp on the basics of politics.
Not only me but most of the kids at school also understood it and we talked about Star Wars a lot, especially the prequels and how they connected to the OT. I was there, prequel hate has always been a complete lie, and so is this idea that kids can't handle in-depth topics.
I am sick of the 12 year old argument being brought up especially combined with Politics Bad.
"Prequel hate has always been a complete lie."
I was there as the prequels were being released. I was 9 when Phantom Menace came out, 12 when Attack of the Clones came out, and 15 when Revenge of the Sith came out. During that time there was only hype for each film as it came out. I only saw Episode I in theaters, the others later on DVD, but I did see an early trailer for Episode III in the theater & even after the first two installments people were excited to see how the saga would end and the audience absolutely loved the trailer. Throughout these years prequel film merchandise sold well and some of my classmates at school were even reading EU books related to the prequel era. (I regret not getting more into the EU at the time myself.) It wasn't until 2008 or 2009 that I first came across prequel hate online and it was a novel idea at the time that these films everyone got hyped for were ACKSHUALLY bad the whole time. I'm sure some people did always hate the movies, but they were definitely a vocal minority within the general audience. This claim that "everyone always agreed the prequels were bad" is really the revisionist narrative. Prequel hate didn't get popular until the Plinkett reviews.
@@alfredvickers4054i was 19 when phantom menace came out, so i saw all 3 in the theater on opening nights. Standing ovations and cheering. So many people loved them back then. The hate came later from the online minority who screamed the loudest.
One of the biggest draws of the prequels for me was the fact they felt like a living universe with its own nuances, politics, and intrigue, even more so than the OT at times. I think the OT is still goat for me, but I've definitely grown from just enjoying the PT for pod racing and cool lightsaber duels to genuinely appreciating their deeper intricacies as decent films.
The lack of worldbuilding and nonsensical writing in the sequel trilogy did kind of wake a lot of people I think, but not in the 'blind hatred dipole' sort of way the original reviewer is suggesting.
Nah PT is the goat
@@firestriker3580the whole saga is the GOAT and I mean I-VI
Why is it only RLM, CVH, and Chris Stuckman that are used as credible sources for prequel reviews but never people like Anomaly Inc, Rick Worley, or even Turf Nation
Because they bash the prequels and don’t praise them.
@Ralsei Acolyte cause he is God heyo my good chap.
@The Gamer Yeah I’ll admit my mind has changed significantly on the guy since the time I wrote that comment.
There is a channel called “Star Wars Prequels Channel” and he gives very good arguments.
The total amount of time those politics scenes take is less then 7 minutes, over 3 films. 7 minutes over 6 hours
The lack of attention span prequel haters has is why the sequels ended up like they did
Also 8 year old me understand enough of those scenes to be invested. If adults cant, that says more about the adults and their lack of understanding
I just hate how he thinks anyone that likes them are wrong or thinks that anyone who likes them and only likes them for reasons outside of them movies.
We love the prequel movies and era, not just one and I don’t understand how he can’t understand that
Though while I don’t think the new Star Wars shows are overrated, I agree with your other points
After watching that video I have just lost some brain cells.
Also please send a T-800 to 2009 to terminate Mr Plinkett. Then we’ll have hope returned!
@@greviewer2950 And Confused Matthew
I hope you mean the original video this one is responding to and not this video
@@Kelis98 It's the original video that made me loose brain cells.
@@greviewer2950 yeah, also *lose
One of the worst things about the Kelly Marie Tran story, is how the mainstream media only after TLJ had received all the backlash it did and Kelly Marie Tran having “supposedly” been harassed on Instagram are they only now shaming Star Wars fans for being bullies to her and to Jake Lloyd.
Despite to my knowledge (and correct me if I’m wrong) the media never having done shit for Jake Lloyd during the time he actually was bullied for all those years when all the bullying was happening. No it’s only now after Kelly Marie Tran’s false rumor of being harassed by Star Wars fans, are the mainstream media only now deciding to call out shame the Star Wars fans for being bullies towards Jake Lloyd
Oh yes. Those same media outlets hounded Jake, and Ahmed Best too. They've arguably done more bad things to both people than general random fans did
Prequels ftw
I bet you the people who still praise RLM and Cosmonaut refuse to watch any videos that debunk their stupid claims because they're so far deep in Prequel hate, they assume Prequel fans only pretend to like the films and let "nostalgia blind them". And they're obviously afraid of seeing how full of shit the people who have told them lies have.
Yeah all those type of people do is troll and get butthurt that their "holy grail" critiques of the Prequels get torn down. I know from experience.
I agree. I've made a vow to debunk prequel haters and other enemies of Star Wars. And Sithspit, it has been one heck of a trip. Some of these people refuse to see reason and quickly fall back on using insults when you tear down their arguments.
The abysmal camera work and wooden acting are a fact. And those are he biggest problems of the movies.
They legitimately think that Nostalgia Critic was an example of someone who made people think the prequels were good when he's one of the biggest prequel haters out there. They don't see legitimate arguments and assume the memes did everything
The clone wars is far from great. There's no more than 10 good episodes. Seeing maul capture obi won knowing he wasn't even gunna to able to take an arm made it pointless. He was clearly going to escape without any harm so there was no threat at all. Also the maul vs palpatine duel suffered the same problem, we know palpatine survives so to see the only half interesting character get shit on again purely for some kind of weird fan service is laughable. There's so many crap and uninteresting storylines an episodes in the clone wars that it's really not worth watching.
I am one of those people who love PT more than OT
As do I. And I watched the OT first and then the PT as an adult. So it's not nostalgia. In fact, I like TPM more now than back in 1999.
15:43
Star Wars fans are their own worse enemy. They don't mind the serial episodic nature of the OT but hate it in the PT.
I've never yet seen clone wars Series and I've been prequel fan for years. They have their problems, but bad story is not one of them. In fact, story is one of the strongest aspects of the trilogy. They would be videly regarded as good movies if acting and delivery was a bit better, though it's clear that actors tried their best.
Also, speaking of characters, Maul had about as much characterization and developement as Tarkin had. And one of them dies in first movie of trilogy. I'm not going to touch extended stuff like cartoons, but Maul with his almost non existant amount of lines as well as just the way he moves and acts alone was able to characterize himself just as well as guy who was pretty much third bad guy in other trilogy. I'm not saying that Tarkin was poorly written, just that Maul has surprisingly more to him than such bare bones criticisms give him credit for.
Grievous being a clishe plot device? Then how about Yoda being just a clishe power up? No one is saying that, and they both have common, slightly cartoony persomalities. as well as low screen presence. No, neither of them is that thing.
And speaking of Grievous, his and Dooku's death had completely different consequences. Anaking killing a fellow jedi, one that fallen to the dark side, but still surrendered once defeated pushed him towards the dark side even more. Grievous would never surrender trully but escape or at least try to take anakin with him, and if Anakin was to kill him, that would do nothing, as Grievous was considered to be droid by most, even if he was a cyborg.
And speaking of Anakin... I don't think he cared if he's good or evil during his battle with Obi-wan. He just found out that the morality and believe system that he was liwing by was complete bullshit, so who is to say what is wrong or right really? He was pissed at hypocrisy of Jedi order and clearly angry that Padme is on Jedi side while still being scared that Padme may die. He knows he's not righteous, but he neither doesn't care, nor he really have any other choice but to embrace being sith at this point.
Anakin overall was really likeable character, he had amazing interactions and chemistry with other characters, his slow spiral into darkness was amazingly executed. The only problem were the way dialogues were written at times, but that's problem with other characters. Not with things said, nor with scenes, just sometimes the way sentences are built are weird.
Acting and delivery was better
Nah the sentences were built good. Also the dialogue isn’t bad or anything like that
The cgi was overused in James cammorons avatar movies
Me, my brother, my cousins, and some of my friends were all Prequels fans since childhood ( Loving the battles and action scenes main characters and armies, as well as the deep morals within the stories that connect with both the Clone Wars and the Original Trilogy).
We've been supporting the Prequel and fighting it back against the haters for years Despite being on the losing side mostly. Which makes it hilariously triumphant benefit as we have an instant win of the whole arguments now that everyone is taking a second look at the prequels with with even long time star wars adults & Celebrities making public apologies to George Lucas for all the years of trolling and me and mocking his 2nd story arc; And all it took was Disney to royally screw up with the sequel trilogy for everyone to finally open their eyes and see that what George Lucas's original Vision of his 6 Stories plus Series put together was meant for and why did all connected so well despite some character flaws sticking out. It makes me happy that finally everyone to see what both me and George Lucas saw in the prequels that was important to the Is Star Wars mythos, And also happy the Clone Wars is still loved to this day!
You aren’t on the losing side
I'm still waiting for Simon Pegg to make a public apology, but I doubt it will ever happen. It's the reason why I don't even like seeing him in movies anymore
@firestriker3580 : 😆 Ha ,not anymore! Once again, thank Disney for the screw up! It's ,in a way, a blessing in disguise.
36:21 the 3 best pieces of star wars are
1. Revenge of the Sith
2. KOTOR II
3. Andor
I agree with the first 2
1: revenge of the sith
2: return of the jedi
3: KOTOR ll
found yur channel through a friend, another prequel fan
been watching some of your content over the past few days / nights
good stuff, you are seriously undersubbed
and you're a fellow aussie, yay, g'day mate!
Hey, thanks!
Great response video mate! 👍 Could you also do one on Nostalgia Critics video, “Prequels better than the new trilogy?”
I'll look into it
I still dont understand why Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is considered one of the worst movie sequels of all time. It is way overhated, it isnt a great movie but it just subpar by what i have seen
I actually really appreciate it. It's the perfect tone and vibe for an Indy sequel. Drawing on the Red Scare and alien cover-up stories instead of the Nazi stories of the WW2 era
Given a choice between the love story of Anakin Skywalker n Padme Amidala or Rey n Kylo Ren I’m pretty sure that most Star Wars fans would gladly watch their romance far more often including the so called cringey moments as supposed to the forced over the top bullshit dark edgy abusive crap between Kylo Ren n Rey which nobody asked 4, n nobody cared about especially since nothing good even came out of it at least with Anakin n Padme u get Luke n Leia
Plus only 1 year has passed since last jedi in ros, thered be very little to do in a series set in between.
Yeah, maybe at best it'd be like 3 seasons before they'd be dragging out the story. I have no idea why J.J. made the gap a year, because that's too short
I must say that I feel the hate for these movies is overblown, but at the same time, we shouldn’t just hate on those who simply don’t like the films that much…..
I'm fine with people disliking them. The problem is, the OT fanatics went too far, attacking George and the actors and anyone who liked the movie, accusing them of poor taste and even being horrible persons and not true Star Wars fans. So prequel fans can get a bit defensive sometimes.
Yes we should hate those. Because those dickheads bullied many and forced them to believe in their ideas
@@scepticalbelieverprequel fans deserve to get defensive
Here’s a short list of classic movies that were misunderstood upon release:
Citizen Kane
Blade Runner
2001: A Space Odyssey
The Big Lebowski
I love the prequels without consuming any of the external material (except finally watching TCW a couple years ago, but I already appreciated the prequel films for years before that). I bet this guy saying "you just got used to the prequel universe" can't explain that. 😂
Boy I love how the 1 guy just dumps on the prequel trilogy n on George Lucas but when it comes time to explain any n all of the failures of the sequel trilogy he quickly wants to use anything from the prequel trilogy to try n make up excuses 4 y this happened or that happened god it’s pathetic
Lex: 🤨 go ahead say the 1 thing/ Prequel Haters: 😟 yer insane/ Lex: 😠 no no the other thing/ Prequel Haters: the prequels suck, they’re bad movies n George Lucas is a hack/ Lex: 🤬 WRONG
One reason people bring up the prequels when talking about the sequels is because the sequels were made by people who hated the prequels and did there best to ignore them completely.
Thank you so much for your excellent videos! Seriously, I'm more and more convinced that Lucas overestimated the intelligence of the audience...
7:48 You're lucky. I watched a bootleg copy of the People Vs. George Lucas on RUclips because I lost a bet, and I wanted to see just how embarrassing Star Wars fans can get. I can honestly say I'm embarrassed to be a Star Wars fan after watching. One of the most draining experiences of all time
@@officialmonarchmusic That bad huh?
@@BrandontheAwesomeIt really was. I do recommend checking out a bootleg copy (in an incognito window, as not to throw off your recommendations) if you want to see the ugly side of the fan base. The first 20 minutes are just an intro and the next 25 minutes are a slightly disingenuous but palatable critique of Lucas’s special editions. (Again, not good, but watchable) The last 45 minutes were absolutely horrible. Not even critiques, just fanboy rage. It’s shocking just how many people were hating on George, saying “f him all the way” (real quote) or talking about how he’s a greedy toy salesman who ruined their childhood and they wish he was dead so they wouldn’t have to see his ruin of it anymore
@@officialmonarchmusic Buddy, I've seen the ugly side of this fanbase. I engage with it almost on a daily basis.
As for me watching the bootleg? I don't think my heart could take it. George made my childhood with Star Wars and Indiana Jones, I have nothing but respect for the man, regardless of his mistakes.
@@BrandontheAwesome I agree. You probably don't want to watch it. MY heart could barely take it
@@officialmonarchmusic It's more fun to gatekeep those kind of people anyway.
"These RUclipsrs are far more competent than me"
>Lists Cosmonaut, who missed plotpoints they blatantly spell out for the audience; sometimes literally
Well my brain cells are f*cked, aren't they? Cause that doesn't bode well for the quality of this video.
Yeah this is the guy thst is ok with pokemon sword and shield getting a resurgence in popularity but scoffed when the prequels got the same, he is a garbage hypocrite
The thing about red letter media's "review" is that it was MASSIVELY entertaining and funny.
That's the only thing I give it credit for lol.
@@ironinquisitor3656 i even showed it to my zoomer son who cares nothing for star wars... He was DYING.
@Super Chaloongis who?
@Super Chaloongis o...
nah, he doesnt care about star wars🤷🏿
I had a Selene Delgado face for 3 hours by watching 10 minutes
You should see his pokemon game reviews, they're just as bad. He seems to hate all modern pokemon games, and compares them to different games made by different people to show how said game is better than the game he is riffing
@Ralsei Acolyte cause he is God and Joe serebi and Wolfe
but modern Pokemons ARE bad
@@vladthelazyslowpoke7222 unless you have sources to back this up, this is is just your wrong opinion
@@magicalpasta5462 just take a look at the state of Gen 8 Pokemon games
@@vladthelazyslowpoke7222*Gen 9. At least Gen 8 runs on a Switch without killing itself. 😂
still to this day my best cinema experience was watching Revenge of the Sith on opening night
the place was packed, no empty seats, i got the best seat too
you could feel the vibe of the entire room when order 66 happened and the scene of anakin force choking padme
and the closing climax scenes, best experiencce in a cinema ever when you are with devoted SW fans, we were all feeling the tragic fall of anakin, and we all no doubt went home to watch ANH :)
Boy it’s funny how all the prequel haters n their fans pretend that they’re the majority of the Star Wars fan base when in actuality they barely make up the 10 percentage of the fan base while those who love the prequels, hate the sequels n despise Disney’s treatment of the franchise
“You unironically like the prequel? Nuh uh”
This was a very interesting perspective. I honestly can’t believe I’ve never heard someone defend the prequels so vehemently. I was only eight years old when they came out and I had not seen the OT yet to put them in a fair comparison.
I don’t think as as much to say that I disagree with what you have to say, as much as it is a new perspective that I haven’t even heard anyone make these arguments before. I honestly don’t feel like I can get give an unbiased opinion considering the time in which I saw the freak Wells and the fact that all the media I’ve ever heard about them was negative.
needless to say you are so criminally under-subbed it’s actually ridiculous. even if you were just a grifting contrarian, such a unique perspective should have more reception either way. But at the same time it’s very obvious that you are indeed very passionate and genuine with what you have to say.
ok.. i’ll give you your d**k back now
Nobody cares if you disagree. Most agree with this dude
These haters only have ignorance & lies.
This common criticism that George had "too much control" over his own prequels is absurd. Do they not know that George had control of things even on the original trilogy? Contrary to the "saved in the edit" narrative, he not only wrote the script, approved the sets & costumes, approved the effects shots, personally directed the actors, and hired the editing team, but he himself was a big part of the final edit of the first film. He hired directors for the other two, but he still oversaw everything the directors did, oversaw the special effects sequences, and had ultimate control of the story & characters. Everything people like about Empire & Jedi is either George's idea or George approving of someone else's idea because it fit his vision. Sure, in some ways he had more direct control of everything on the prequels, but he was always in control of Star Wars.
And he had too many ideas to cram into 3 movies? And the proof of this is that the secondary antagonists Maul, Dooku, and Grievous weren't very fleshed out or have arcs? Then by that logic, the OT was bad and too crammed with ideas because the secondary antagonists Tarkin, Fett, and Jabba weren't fleshed out & had no arcs! Not to mention the Emperor himself wasn't fleshed out & had no arc before the prequels were made!
Again and again I see that virtually every argument against the prequels could be made against the OT. So either Star Wars was always terrible & OT fanboys should move on, or the prequels aren't the cinematic travesty they like to claim. But they don't care to be consistent.
My favorite shots:
3:48
5:21
8:11
35:30
Also, Revenge of the Sith was the first SW movie that I ever saw and is still my favorite movie of all time.
I love Phantom Menance and Revenge of the Sith. Two of my favorite Star Wars films ever!
The zack Snyder movies will never suck and this dude is a clear prequel hater. Thank you for making this video
once you start defending snyder I can't take you seriously
@@pixel80 Once you start attacking Snyder, I will not take you seriously and will find you mentally r*tarded
I mean, there are things about Snyder's films I like, but even I will agree those movies aren't the greatest.
@@BrandontheAwesome Not everything in the world needs to be the greatest. It’s people’s unnecessary tendency to polarize everything. What is the point of even mentioning “not the greatest”? The have Flaws? Mid? Mixed bag? That’s obvious and applies the everything.
I’m squarely in the camp that Snyderverse fell victim to the same things prequels were. Like prequels, some “oddball” things were in the movies and the audience had a knee jerk hyper-reaction instead of understanding.
@@pixel80 once you start crapping on Snyder I can't take you seriously.
Prequel hate is like going to Gordon Ramsays restaraunt and saying his dishes are trash because they dont like whats on the menu.
Whats funny is spielberg didn't want to do crystal skull at first
The quote from red alert 3 was the best for your opening statement.
I knew Gireum was arrogant, but on this level? This is laughable at best, as much as the fact that he has over 25k subs (seriously, is everyone that gullible?)
He is not only arragont he is a pretty shit person in general,not to mention a double standard hypocrite.
@@geniusgamerr4517 no shit
It's funny that this guy says you need books to understand the prequel's story and Anakin's character arc when there's this guy on youtube with a channel called "KraziKrazi" where he analyzes the characters and story of the prequels and never at any point does he reference tcw or any of thd comics and books🤔🤔🤔
the guy wants a series between TLJ and ROS, dude there were just a few days difference between those two movies.
There's a year gap between those two movies though. You think of the time between TFA and TLJ, which was indeed only a few days in between one another
The whole trilogy takes place over like a week
George Lucas didn't even write Crystal Skull. David Koepp did
Now u know how sequel fans feel😂
"Nooo, but thats different. The sequels are bad movies, and you dont understand good writing if u like them."
Prequels are a misunderstood masterpiece when it comes to star wars!
Bro is tweaking 😂
Having Dooku face Anakin before Episode 3 doesn’t contradict anything, but having Dooku fight both Anakin and Obi-Wan before Episode 3 doesn’t contradict that line Obi-Wan about them fighting Dooku together this time in Episode 3.
28:01 "Orer."
???
@@yaj_5002 The text Gireum puts on screen spells order as "orer."
@@Foobie07 Oh ok
Hi. Actually can someone explain why The Clone Wars? Plural not single. Was there moment of peace?
I don't know why it matters that much. It's a human error at worst
@@j.j.plagiarisms7149 For me minor problems of prequels:
We needed more Bail Organa as a character in episode 1 and 2. Yes. He is important and i want to know about him from the start.
Why was Captain Panaka in episode 2 and 3 replaced with eye-patched dude?
One explanation is because there were various civil wars on planets that make up the “clone wars”
@@UpLyinkKralonMP_UAsoviet Actual Bail Organa was supposed in be in Episode 1, but George really really didn’t like the look of the actor that was chosen so his scenes were deleted and Bail was recast in Episode 2
@Super Chaloongis Turf Nation is someone I view as someone I merely disagree with. I think he's dead wrong about the Sequels, but he's no dickhead about it.
Anakin having an apprentice doesn’t contradict the prequels, hell, George was the one that came up with that idea, but having Ahsoka survive as long as she has does contradict the movies and George did want Ahsoka to die in TCW as you already know.
Nah Anakin is just too reckless the Jedi council would never trust him with an apprentice because he might get his apprentice killed or could teach his apprentice reckless habits. But that's my opinion.
Lucas didn't come up with Ahsoka, he in fact wanted her to die early on. Ahsoka as a character not only makes no sense considering how much the Jedi distrust Anakin, it also takes away from his war glory and wouldn't even work if TCW didn't have RotS Anakin from the very beginning rather than an evolution from AotC to RotS Anakin as in the Multimedia Project.
Its a shame i quite liked his pokemon videos
Yeah he is a retard otherwise
I swear prequel haters need to get it through their thick heads that the prequels weren’t about the clone wars, the clone wars were nothing more then a event in history n not even a great event in history it was nothing more then just Palpatine spreading the Jedi thin b4 taking them out 1 by 1 the purpose of the prequel trilogy was to show a time of peace b4 the Sith took over n created the galactic empire as well as showing how Anakin went from a kind, hopeful, optimistic young slave boy to a Jedi Knight to a Sith Lord n it all worked out well enough… certainly better then the sequel trilogy
Yeah, the Clone Wars are more of a backdrop to the real focus: the human drama related to the fall of the Republic, the fall of the Jedi, and the fall of Anakin. Somehow the movies not being something they weren't meant to be is supposed to be a legitimate criticism? Prequel haters are crazy.
@@alfredvickers4054 yup… crazy, stupid, retarded in other words amen to that brother amen
Eh, you still somewhat miss the point. Star Wars is only secondarily about wars, or Palpatine's corruption, or others; it is first and foremost Anakin Skywalker's story. The war ALWAYS plays second fiddle to Anakin/Luke, and always will. This guy going "Star Wars is about the wars!" wouldn't understand why the Hobbit is about some random dragon and not Sauron's rise or something.
@@tragedyplustime8271 I’m sorry was that aimed at me or someone else
@@brianjordan3841 I was just saying that you said the Prequels were about the Sith taking over, which while absolutely true, is still very much secondary to Anakin's story. Pardon if I came off as rude.
Prequel haters: Preeeqwuls haf Tuuu muhch CGiiiii!"
Prequel haters: *Sees Avatar 2009* "uhhhhhhhhh! mmmmmm! look at dem effects! *fap fap fap fap*
What’s funny that the company who made the effects for Avatar is the same company who made the effects for the prequels.
20:11 *HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA*
Say what you will, Gireum is right that you can still like something even if you think it's flawed
I just wish he didn’t assume that all prequels fans liked it for the reasons he listed cause he’s just flat out wrong
Gireum is WRONG about what he said about that
i heard not a single substantial counter argument from this dude. He complains about the prequel "haters" not having arguments and then just throws around insults and statements without actual proof or arguments...
Yeah he does have arguments
I love when people use the "George was surrounded by yes men in the prequels that's why they suck" argument because it fails on every level of thought.
1: let's say he was. Would YOU tell the man that created Star Wars and Indiana Jones "that's dumb, don't do that"?? I mean really.... Would you be the one guy on set that tried to tell the creative mind behind Licasfilms THX ILM Star Wars and Indiana Jones that YOU know more about star wars and film making then him? No. You wouldn't.
2: he wasn't surrounded by yes men. He had people that would help him realize his visions. They created TONS of alien designs that never got used. They made massive set pieces that we see for like 8 minutes of screen time at best. They worked hard and diligently to bring to life the world he thought up. All he did was approve or deny basic designs and ideas. Sure he wrote the script but to pretend that it wasnt poured over and revised by others is a fundamental misunderstanding of how films are made.
I hate the RUclips algorithm for recommending me this stupid video that says in order to dislike the PT I have to do “reesuch.” All you have to do to know something is crap is to watch it.
You have completely missed the point of what I was saying. A lot of people make assumptions about the Prequels that are blatantly incorrect, so this mentality of "I just have to watch the movies" is plain stupid.
You can dislike as much as you want, but he just doesn't want people spreading misinformation about the stories and behind the scenes stuff just because someone heard from another someone that heard from a friend, that took Senator Armstrong's approach to source about the prequels
The argument is that prequel haters spread false narratives to diminish the films, but when you look into the making of the films these narratives are proven wrong, like the "too much CGI" claim or the "George was surrounded by yes men" claim. Even the "bad dialogue" meme loses power when you see that lines like, "I don't like sand" actually make sense when they're not taken out of context. If the films are self-evidently bad just from viewing them, why are these false narratives so relied upon by prequel haters?
Well to be honest. That confession about sand people should be red flag for Padme. And idea of hologram to the Palpatine is not bad per say. But yeah Movies got hate MAINLY because sheep mentality. Attack of Clones was awkward at places and too much renaissance vibe for me. But hey i could forget for some mistakes because story and main plot trough trilogy was banger. I could imagine huge potential that prequel world showed us. Except Jar Jar heh.
It shouldn’t have been for a red flag dude
actually no the holo scene is a bad idea
Nope. Jar jar is awesome
AOTC wasn’t awkward and wasn’t too renaissance
Stop
I don’t understand why you’re so hostile towards this guy. Man he’s just expressing how he felt about the movies.
Now I didn’t agree with a lot of the stuff you said, but I don’t know if I should explain why. Actually I will touch on a few things that you said. 34:23 F the SP? That’s not really addressing what he said about the situation. By the way Anakin killed women and children of the SP so F innocence? No evil here?
34:28 it’s bad because Anakin doesn’t really have a relationship with Padme. What do I mean? Anakin just hung out with Padme for a few days and flirted with her. Basically Padme really shouldn’t want to be around Anakin after finding out what he did. Now if they were long-term romantic partners for years then I could see her struggling to look pass killing of innocents, but the thing is she doesn’t and they weren’t long-term partners. Really what are Anakin and Padme? People who only had a handful of interactions for a few days, which means it’s hard to believe Padme would just toss everything she believes out the window
34:49 Padme is probably the closest person to him? Padme only hung out with him for a few days. In short Anakin shouldn’t trust Padme with information that could ruin his life and get them locked away for the rest of his life. Really people who are closer to Anakin are the Emperor and Obi-Wan. Anyways Anakin being tormented and unstable is one thing, but being unstable doesn’t necessarily mean he would tell her.
@Ralsei Acolyte cause he is God 1. One possible toxic thing the guy said means that people can entirely be toxic to him?
2. That’s very vague.
3. So innocent women and children deserve to die? By that logic we should kill the family of terrorist. Really is Padme racist? I honestly don’t know how anyone can say Padme being perfectly ok with those innocence dying is in line with her character.
4. So just because they talked a few times within one day means they would give the other information that could ruin them?
5. Can you calm down? Saying that Padme is the closest doesn’t mean she is. Again they interacted with each other for a few days and those interactions were awkward or creepy. Man the thing is the Emperor and Obi-Wan is undeniably closer to Anakin. Why are they closer to him? Anakin had constant interactions with them over 10 years. What else makes them closer to him? Anakin only tells the Emperor everything.
Man you basically just repeated every point of the video without heavily analyzing them.
@Ralsei Acolyte cause he is God 1. I don’t know about that because Jj was cussing, raising his voice, calling him names, and implying things.
2. Does that make the arguments bad? This video made the exact same defence arguments I had seen thousands of times.
3. So it’s ok to kill kids because they might become terrorist? In no way killing kids was justified or understandable, especially if you’re talking about little girls since they don’t fight. Basically Padme really shouldn’t want to be around Anakin after finding out what he did. Now if they were long-term romantic partners for years then I could see her struggling to look pass killing of innocents, but the thing is she doesn’t and they weren’t long-term partners.
Really what are Anakin and Padme? People who only had a handful of interactions for a few days, which means it’s hard to believe Padme would just toss everything she believes out the window. What is another thing about the SP situation? It is out of line with Padme’s character to not struggle with what Anakin did and to be ok with it. Man you’re hopping through big logical hoops to defend everything surrounding the SP incident.
4. I never said Anakin wasn’t terrible at flirting. What is my point about that entire situation? There’s two. The first one is just because they talked a few times doesn’t mean they would give the other information that could ruin them. The second one was Anakin just hung out with Padme for a few days and flirted with her.
5. I never questioned why things were creepy or awkward. What did I say? Saying that Padme is the closest doesn’t mean she is. Again they interacted with each other for a few days and those interactions were awkward or creepy.
Man the thing is the Emperor and Obi-Wan is undeniably closer to Anakin. Why are they closer to him? Anakin had constant interactions with them over 10 years. What else makes them closer to him? Anakin only tells the Emperor everything. In short it doesn’t really make sense for Anakin to tell Padme because they’re not really all that close and she could ruin him. Really Anakin telling Padme makes him into a moron seeing as if Padme stayed in character she would’ve exposed Anakin or at least not marry him.
Now I don’t know if you’re trying to misrepresent me and I don’t know if you’re intentionally not responding to some of my points, but it sure does look like it.
@@yaj_5002 Jj said similar stuff before.
No. Anakin met Padme 10 years ago and he always dreamt of him. Did you watch in Machete Order?
@@prequeldefender They spoke a handful of times 10 years ago as kids. Really what does what you said have to do with anything.
I really don’t understand why people insist on claiming the Clone Wars was the saving grace of the prequel trilogy. Aside from the variety of issues it has in its own right, it heavily conflicts with the movies and the expanded material of the time both on a thematic level and in terms of lore. As Captain Frodo explained in his extensive and very well researched video series “Why The Clone Wars Doesn’t Fit in Legends”, Dave Filoni just jumped onto the scene parading himself around as THE Star Wars geek. The most knowledgeable fan around, and he was going to bring the EU lore into the mainstream in his show. Then people called him out on the things he got incorrect, but it didn’t stop him from completely butchering everything he set his sights on. The Mandolorians and a lot of the side characters like Quinlon Vos are notable examples.
And for some reason, he tries to make up his own bullshit explanations for things that were already well established in the films, like the Clones. He completely retconned the clones from being subservient killing missions to just regular soldiers who struggle to keep their allegiance in check unless you dick around with some arbitrary inhibitor chip stuffed in their brain. Its also a very convenient way for him to keep all his faves, because this man refuses to let a character just die or change in any meaningful way. It’s lazy and takes away from what the films did. The Clone Wars also butchered/oversimplified Anakin and turned Obi Wan into a smug asshole who commits war crime after war crime as if he wasn’t the gold standard for a Jedi during that era.
And there’s so much more than just that. It’s barely scratching the surface. The only reason George gave the okay on any of these ideas is because he was so burnt out from the drama and harassment, he didn’t even care anymore. I don’t get why these people insist on pretending Filoni is a god for making mediocre content out of a universe he never created nor meaningfully expanded on.
Filoni also thought Yularen was a grand admiral in ANH but he was an ISB colonel.
@@ironinquisitor3656 Precisely. If I remember correctly, that was one of his first big L's. I don't understand how James Arnold Taylor and the other voice actors can act like he was impossibly knowledgeable about Star Wars. He didn't even remember that Shmi Skywalker already met Padme when writing the Mortis arc, and they had to remind him when they were already recording the voice lines.
It wasn’t well researched and it doesn’t have a variety of issues
It doesn’t conflict with the movies and the expanded material
Dave didn’t parade himself and all of that is false