Oh! Thanks for clearing that up. I thought I was one of the INFJs, and felt really bad for Sean. But he is so much INFP awesome, he could easily hold his own.
As an INFP, I have often been told that I am eloquent speaker and that I say things in an impactful way which I could never understand as I like being behind the scenes. I think watching Paul makes me finally understand what people mean. He speaks in a way that grabs me and his words are arranged in a quietly passionate , poetic and unique way that makes me feel and visualize what he is describing through the figurative language that he uses.
I find Sean is this kind of extroverted INFP, like me, that is a rare plant. I know quite some INFP's and they are usually shyer than I am. So this is very refreshing for me to see.
@@beaudupre3248 Sean can only be this loud and boisterous as an INFP if he has been drinking a lot of caffeine which would bring out his ENFJ unconscious. Caffeine or alcohol will make an introvert extroverted, loud and extremely talkative like this guy Sean. If he hasn't been drinking caffeine then he has either hyper-active disorder or bipolar disorder.
@@gloomyman9488 I think Sean has been drinking a lot of caffeine aa an INFP which has brought out his ENFJ unconscious. Carl Jung has explained the shadow and how it can make an introvert extroverted and an extrovert more introverted due to the either a trigger or a substance like caffeine or alcohol which changes ou mindset. He drank coffee or soda before coming on this video. If Sean isn't this loud and boisterous due to caffeine consumption then he has a hyper-active disorder or bipolar disorder which automatically alters our personality.
Sean trying to describe the INFP/INFJ mistype phenomenon at the beginning is PEAK INFP-ness 😂 the word-vomiting with nuggets of wisdom and the self consciousness at the end “was that good enough?” Is my INFP bf any time I ask him a deep question hahaha. Amazing!
As an INTJ who has child Fi, I totally agree with Sean that I want everyone to find their own path. But, I do not like to be misunderstood. Usually the way I am misunderstood is more like I am being really underestimated. I don't like it at all.
Finally got to the end of this. Another great video. I wanted to jump in and comment so many times. Love Paul's insights. And your comments on INFPs dabbling. That is so me. From music to photography, MBTI, philosophy, psychology, writing, taking on the problems of a friend in pain, political activism to active hobbies, e.g sports.And whatever may inspire me in the moment. It may seem like a lot, but I don't want it any other way. 3 of those will be my core, and the rest just run in the background constantly.
There is this unfortunate perception in our culture of people more inclined towards generalism. Really, when you explore many different subject areas and develop different skills, you may never be an expert in any one topic, but a genius in seeing the connectedness between these areas. Looking at your interests you listed, sports psychology is a great field of research, as is the philosophy of aesthetics and art (including photography). All things exist in isolation and in relation, and "dabbling" helps to illuminate the relationships. So keep being a scatterbrain, it will be a true gift to the world.
Yes my friends, I like to say I'm a Jack of all trades, and a master of some. 😁 Ive had a crack at mucho mucho occupations (apsrt from sales obviously, unless you call pulling and selling a beer over the bar sales. 😅) As well as sports and hobbies. It's a long list, and at 49 it's only diminished in progression ever so slighty. If you wish, or have a minute or two to spare, and don't mind me indulging myself with some literary nonfiction. Here is a compilation of my greatest hits.😜 To give an example of the bizarre plethora of Worlds, Lives, and lifestyles one single INFP can live and fit into one lifetime (so far). 😊 Starting from my earliest exposure to the working world, growing up on a beef cattle, sheep, and serial cropping farm in the outer reaches of rural Australia. With a few pigs and horses thrown in for good measure. This gave me my first taste of the ways of the working World, as you might imagine quite early on I was immersed into all aspects of farm life. From working with all the animals, disappearing on my tractor for days alone in my imaginative head, going round and round in rectangles working the paddocks. Having my first second hand, hand-me-down motorbike by the age of 7. Which grew into a liking for, and me becoming a half decent rider at endurance motorcross racing in my early 20's. I digress, sorry I will do my best to cull superfluous detail. But, you get the gist. Moving on to high school, an Agricultural College (Dairy farm/rugby league/all male catholic boarding school) where at the age of 12 and up we put to hard labour and Saturday mornings, where we could've been doing any job from, extra work at the dairy, piggery, chicken shed, tractor work, even building our own 3km tar road up to the school. Swinging of shovels and wheel barrows, to jack hammers and heaving rolling machinery. The disciple and structure was definitely helpful for a growning male INFP without a Fatherly role model in our household anymore, as my Father had passed away a few years prior to highschool. Even though my friend Nonconformity would raise his everpresent head now and then to keep my rebellious autonomy and my mildly, healthy, cynical, and cautious gaze over the powers that be in check.😉 I did enjoy their silly game of rules, but I'd play the game my way as much as possible. I had all sorts of imaginings for my future after school. Could've used a role model in that moment to help me narrow the choices. As much as I enjoyed the camaraderie of the friendships I'd forged with children of different personalities from all over the country and outside of the country. I decided that I wanted pursue my dreams and leave school couple of years early. Only completing my school cerficate, and not continue for my higher school certificate. Even though a few of my teachers suggested and tried to coax me stay on, believing I could cut the mustard okay. My heart and mind was never really there. I lacked that parental guidance and push. I was rudderless. My underlying passion hasn't really changed when I think about. There was always a idealic wanderlust. The dream of somehow without any qualifications or monetary means, getting in my imaginary work truck with my imaginary dog, toolbox and motorbike in the back, and driving around Australia working as I wander. Once moving back to this place they call Reality. I began my quest to realising my dream by taking the road most travelled and torturous road possible by the fiscally challenged. I work my proverbial arse off. 😅 Longer story a little less long. I started and completed an apprenticeship as a motor mechanic, with the thought of this being a great asset on the farm. Whilst also continuing on with my metal fabrication and welding courses, with the other passions of my youth starting to come to the fore. Weaving my music, water skiing, motorbikes, romance, and hunting Wild Boar, rabbits and Hares for extra drinking silver on the weekends with my mate. Amongst other the madness. After finishing my apprenticeship, not with out unforeseen embezzlement my upper management causing my apprenticeship to be broken up an extended. Having to jump from company to company to get it finished. I had to find odd jobs as a farmhand in between. I spent my last as a tradesmen repaying my boss for helping me getting it completed. I staying a year longer with him in our two man show, out towards the outback of Australia. From there I picked up a job through word of mouth from a mate who had just quit the job. Working as a farm hand on a cotton farm out West for 2 years. And helping out where I could back at Mum's farm. Until the rock band my friend and I had started really began to pick up pace as a working touring band. So I moved back to my home town to be closer to the band and began working as a mechanic again for another friend. By now I was working 8 days a week in a band and as a mechanic, trying to manage my next romantic relationship, paying off my apartment and travel all over the state every weekend with the band for the next 3 years. By now I'm edging on 26. And meanwhile my wanderlust had been simmering away on a low heat since my cotton farming days. It was now building a good head of steam. Behind the scenes in my cotton picker I had been formulating a plan and saving for my lifetime dream of travelling to the land of my liverpudlian heroes. My childhood dream of joining The Beatles was calling louder and louder. Even though they had broken up a year before I was born. 😂. Well, if I couldn't join them I could at least go and see where my heroes had grown-up. And the clock was now ticking, for if I was not to enter the UK by the age of 26 years and 364 days old, my I would forfeit my opportunity for a 2 year working holiday visa in England. The infp deadline had been set. It was time to really apply my Te. I had informed my girlfriend a year earlier of my plan. And the band a few months before leaving. I had picked up a few bar skills along the way in preparation for the journey, thinking if need be I can at least pick up some bar work if we get into a pickle. I purchased my round the world ticket and told my girlfriend "I had to do it, to make it real. And show her this is real, I'm leaving." "If I don't leave soon I won't have a chance to do this. Are you in or are you out?" She was torn. One of her parents saying, "you should go", the other saying, "well if you're not sure maybe you should stay?" I told her if she was still unsure she can wait here until she felt comfortable and I will let her know where I am, and she could join me later. She panicked and broke off our relationship. I forged ahead with the thought, "new begins, I'm on my own again." Then last minute my now ex-girlfriend changed her mind and decided she would come with me. I will save you some pain now and try to just stick to the occupations as much as I can. 😊 So with my only plan being that I have to be at Heathrow airport before I turn 27. I rented out my apartment to my little sister and her friend, told the boys in the band, "this is it, thanks for the memories". I quit my job and we flew out the following weekend. I bought a van in Seattle and drove us across 28 or more US states, and not quite every province of Canada. I picked up some work for us landscaping in South Dakota for a while, to help fund our travels. I also picked up some work with a Canadian friend's Uncle, on his cattle Ranch. Whilst we stayed with my friend and his family. Sold the van in New Orleans, and bused it to our flight out of Houston. Onwards to the UK. Got a job, any job. Start working on a production line building computers for 6 months. Saved enough money to hire a car for a few weeks, driving around the UK and making it to Liverpool. As well as buy a bicycle and pedal it around the Mediterranean for about 5 months. Starting in Turkey, then Greece, Italy, France and Spain. Flew back to the UK and grabbed a job the the day after on a construction sight doing heavy duty electrical work. Kicked around between jobs until I landed one installing elevators in high rise buildings Canary Wharf in London. all the other jobs prior to I stayed there helping my friend in his workshop as a mechanic for another 6 months. And made plans to head back to England to be with my English girlfriend. The girlfriend never panned out, but I found the new one and she moved with me to England. I organised a 3-year work permit with the elevator company I previously worked for. I became an elevator engineer spending the next two and a half years there. Whilst doing some more travelling around Europe. We left Europe for three months backpacking around Southeast Asia on the way home. Picked up a job on arrival replacing water metres for the Brisbane council. Became a postman. Started another band with fellow postmen. Sorry if I bored you all. Tried to pick up the pace and cut a lot out. You get the idea though. Very INFP. I didn't think it through hard enough as to how much of a task I had just taken on in trying to write all this. In between all that I have backpacked on my own, meeting others along the way, during my travels of another 30 or more countries, progressively honing my photography skills along the way. Good going if you made it to the end. Still good friends with all the leading ladies of this long winded story. To be continued. 🤣🤔😝🤣😁😅😝😂? wow. it was so big they asked me to shorten it because it wouldn't fit.
Just have to say that this group dynamic was both so entertaining and clarifying for me! I always had a hard time differentiating between these two types and this conversation provided so much clarification. The INFPs, Paul and Sean, are super funny and Paul is extremely articulate in such an intuitive manner. Paul, your eloquent explanation of Fi helped me clarify the depth and clarity that function holds within an INFP. Thank you! And yes, we want to hear from you, Paul! And Sean, you are a real time demonstration of Ne which is so fun and funny to witness (I enjoy videos on your channel as well). Thank you again, Joyce for organizing another great type talk. And, of course, Susan, your insights are always so valuable and adds so much dimension. P.S.-I'm also plant-based but I don't like to use that label for myself in public forums since the word vegan has much ethical, political, and social underpinnings aka. lots of Fi stuff. For me I do it for health which may be an Se thing?
Thanks Mr. Chang for the awesome comment - we appreciate it! Yeah I’m an Ne mess and it can sometimes scare people when I get excited lol. Nice to meet you 🤙🏻 Sean
Flattery will get you... everywhere. Thanks for the kind words, they mean a lot. I'm really glad you enjoyed the talk. Joyce knows how to bring the right people together to create magic every time. The term "plant-based" is a very appropriate term. There are so many concepts that get conflated with veganism. I have to tell people that, even though I'm vegan, I don't smoke marijuana or wear sandals. Really, veganism is the ethic, and the diet is one of "plant-based eating" or "strict vegetarianism". There is nothing wrong for doing something positive whatever that reason, so good on you for taking control of your health that way. I've found over the years that there are multiple reasons for a plant-based/vegan life, and they don't need to be separated. I started the journey because of my concern for the livelihoods of nonhuman animals, and yet the more research on nutrition I did, the more I became convinced that it was a good choice. And many are the opposite: "I'm going to eat healthier... and, oh, what's that? I happen to not contribute to animal suffering to the same extent? Sold."
For bonding with your daughter over watching a panel discussion on personality typology, you deserve a round of applause. The dramatic kind, that slowly builds from one person clapping into a sea of applause. Ready? *clap* *clap**clap* *clap**clap**clap**clap* *clap**clap**clap**clap**clap**clap**clap**clap* *clap**clap**clap**clap**clap**clap**clap**clap**clap**clap**clap**clap*
😂 Thanks Paul...the two of us often talk about MBTI...my other daughter is an ENFP and isn't that interested beyond doing the tests...my wife is ISFJ and doesn't want to even do that...so at least I have a wingman...ah...woman...🙃
OMG YES! I totally agree with Sean and Paul! I used to get so pissed if people would tell me to "smile more", especially like in high school and college or especially if they were saying it in a judgmental way, as Paul was saying, the intention makes a huge difference. But you get sensors who are acting like there is something wrong with you just because you are in your own world and they come in and invade that space and criticize you. It can make me feel rage inside. But obviously I show none of that. I just tell them, "No, I'm feeling fine. I'm good.". If they are clearly judging me for it then I'll outright tell them that I WAS feeling great until they said that. I would be feeling great inside and then they say that and kinda ruins my mood for awhile afterward. I got really resentful about that for a few years in my late teens early twenties. That's another reason why I had to develop Fe so I could fake being all smiley on the outside so people would leave me alone about it. Even though I feel happy on the inside, it still feels fake to show it on the outside because it's like I'm having to put on a mask. It never matches the inside exactly so it's just like "fine, here you go, here's a smile and a "hey how's it going" for ya." It feels so fake to me but I've found that since I learned to put on that mask, then my interactions with coworkers and acquaintances got a lot more smooth. So it turned out to be a good thing and now it's pretty easy for me to do. But it still drains my energy after a while. And it still feels fake. It's just that I'm good at it now and I recognize that social lubrication is important and has to be done. But anyway yeah, what Sean and Paul said. Except, I don't get on the spiral out of control that Sean mentioned. I feel a good mastery/control over my Fi and it never feels out of control.
That was one of those things people told me the most (along with I’m “no fun to be with”) when I was a child because I had depression and didn’t know how to hide it. (Really affects how I see humanity as a while, to be honest.) I grew up training myself to hide my negative emotions and now I can’t express any of those in front of other people even if I wanted to (I had several therapists asking me why I was laughing when I talked about my trauma haha). I also have the same problem as you because even when I want to show people that I appreciate them I have to fake a smile, even when I’m genuinely grateful, because my face simply doesn’t do it naturally. I hate my Fe, because I hate having to be constantly anxious about how others perceive me, due to the societal tendency to punish those who stray from the norm. I don’t blame it on the sensors, though.
100% true! People always tell me to become more "confident", more "assertive", more "talkative". I hate it. But I learned to fake it, just to protect myself from being hurt deeply. I feel I need to put on a mask every day, it is very draining for sure.
Great discussion from everyone. After watching this, it is hard to believe that INFP often mistype as INFJ. There is the same gentle acceptance from both types (thanks NF) but the way feelings are processed is just so different. It seems that life is something that just happens with INFPs but INFJs have a way better plan. I am an INFP and have no plan, I love the process and the journey more than the destination. I do empathy so much better than sympathy and Sean was completely right, it comes from a remembered emotion in the past. I like to hide and process my emotions even though this can be frustrating for my friends who don't seem to understand why it is hard for me to share feelings. I have been watching Sean's videos not quite since he started but not long after and they are so quirky and fun and wonderfully edited, you are very talented mate. I have been on Susan's page numerous time as well as Joyce's RUclips channel. Nice to see a new face Paul, I wish I was half as articulate as you are.
Thank you, Meredith. I try to be articulate, as to convey ideas with precision and clarity, but something me no writing so goodly becuz me forgts hw 2.
@@PaulWBruce I'm a bit more like Sean, I get over-enthusiastic and babble or say things that are completely inappropriate. I am so much better when I have time to put my thoughts together on paper. I also get your Flash reference, Barry Allen is so INFP
@@JoyceMeng22 You're so sweet! It usually takes a long time for people to realise that I am soft on the inside. Sweet and shy often get mistaken for cool and aloof and honestly, I'm usually better with animals than people.
I do not know where this Infp mistyping as Infj commonality comes from. It seems full of assumptions. Where is the data to suggest that the mistypes were actually Infps?
The conversation between Sean and Paul is interesting because it demonstrates how differently two people can be even if they have the same personality stack. This is why you shouldn't judge your type by stereotypes or by watching a couple of youtubers and judging yourself against them. MBTI is cognitive functions, i.e., brain patterns and such. But beyond that it's subjective to the person so each 16 type carries a its own range/spectrum of presentation.
Sorry but I don't believe Sean is an introvert. He might be an ENFP but not an INFP. The only way he could be an introvert is if he has some type of hyperactive personality disorder connected to his MBTI personality type. He is very loud and boisterous. No INFP is loud and boisterous. ENFPs can be loud and boisterous like Robin Williams. He even admitted that Ne is his favorite personality. Paul Bruce is definitely an INFP. I can see Paul cringing everytime Sean opens his mouth with that loud tone and telling him to keep on talking poetically. INFPs will say "We need to get on board" in their ESTJ subconscious. There is no doubt that Paul Bruce is an INFP. He talks like other INFPs like Prince, Tim Burton, and Johnny Depp.
PREACH! We kind of touched on that during the video, how it's hard to express introverted functions sufficiently. But when it's your dominant function, you just develop more practice for expressing it, more out of necessity than anything. I would be your ability to convey your Ni is better than that to convey your Fi (though you did a darn good job here!).
26:00 mark talking about the NE Getting overwhelmed then giving up. I have been through a crazy year of being Forced to live extroverted almost constantly. And I am grateful because here’s what it strengthened in me: The ability to quicken my internal processing abilities to make a “best” momentary decision. I also tap into my emotions internally but can use my external cognitive functions to internally structure how long I allow myself to “sit” and make a decision. It has helped me gauge WHAT I have to make a decision on and process the hypotheticals first and then tap into my NE to decide the best emotion outcome. Sometimes if I do get blocked I reach out to a few ISTP types and they can help ground me.) It went from like a microwave dinner (quick but not very good quality) to a pressure cooker.( intensely cooked. Using the pressure to push the quality of environmental factors into the eventual outcome) I would say that I didn’t even know how to properly use the microwave at first... and as an INFP I usually only used a few buttons because thats all I needed (I.e. “popcorn button” start and stop🤣). But then I came into a crazy situation that I HAD to read the manual and I had no choice. I knew being in NE wouldn’t fix my situation and I doubted myself a lot but I read the manual and “trial and errored” and found that I was much more competent and able than I thought. I then moved that “skill” (though I didn’t like reading the manual)..I saw how facing my fears (in a healthy way) brought in big rewards! So when I was then given a pressure cooker, I was able to use my resourcefulness (momgyvering) and confidence so cook an amazing meal!!! Current situation: The meal has like 5 minutes left and I’m setting the table. I’m a little nervous but I know that I can rely on the past examples now that I have been through and that God has helped me though. I know it will be a beautiful meal! I’m about to move myself and 4 kids to relocate to another city. Downsizing from a 3300Sq for house by myself and after 10 years of being a disabled vet and stay at home mom, I applied for a govt job and despite it all...I was their top candidate and got the job! I really had to use a lot of extroverted expression for the phone interview and was TERRIFIED but it again shows that with hard work and a lot of willing and not willingly exposing yourself to new situations and being intentional...you can do anything!!!! (Well maybe anything 😉) Great Panel!
I'm excited too!! He's going to be one of the managing partners of the website :) Thanks Aubrey, it'll be coming out sometime before the end of this year.
Awesome awesome stuff. INFP here. I loved how many analogies were being thrown around- definitely an NF conversation. Helped me understand Ni and Fe much better, and to have words to better express Fi. I especially appreciated the baking analogy. Thank you all for your time and thoughtfulness.
It's so true how I just know how I feel and who I am. I hadn't realized until this video how you Fe users struggle with that. I thought most people knew themselves like we do. THis is so great to know because it will help me help my Fe user loved ones. I'll be sure to allow them that time they need to parse out their feelings. That was a great term Susan, parse. And Joyce I LOVED the baking analogy. So good! And so true!
I am an ENFP who sometimes appears more INFP, but I know I’m not. Just very,very strong Fi. I loved this video. I so relate to INFP especially how I keep Fi hidden, and the experience of people asking me to be more transparent emotionally and then being completely unable to listen or understand because it’s such a complex area for me. I end up realizing they really don’t want to know. It’s too complex and painful for them. I probably need to say, “Do you have an hour to listen to me, because if not I really don’t want to start.” And there’s the wall people experience. I seem to be more aware of other peoples reality and what’s going on in extrovert land than most INFPs. I have to be alone to process the Fi. So that’s why I think Im ENFP. I’ve studied type for many years, like close to 30 and this was a brilliant video. All of you are so self aware and type knowledgeable. I have some INFJs that I get along with easily, and others that so misunderstand me that it’s painful. I want to absorb the discussion you guys had. Helps me understand the crossed wires a little better. ThanksJoyce. I subscribed. Looking foreword to more insights.
Joyce that pasta/noodle example is a good analogy about how we have trouble explaining our Ni. What I've found is that manifests in us using a lot of mixed metaphors as well. My INFP wife used to laugh when I would do that or something similar and she'd say "Theeeere it is, the first non-sequitur of the day." LOL
Oh wow, yep that whole powering down Fe is SO TRUE of my Mom. She would stay up sooo late every night to give her time to process alone. She told me she needs time alone after everyone else has gone to bed. Poor thing, I'm an Ni user too and also a night owl so I probably never gave her that time she needed when I was in college because I was usually up as well. But the older I got the more I would go off to my room when I'd go back for visits to give her her alone processing time. Definitely an INFJ thing. As an INTJ, I often wonder if this is why I am such a night owl as well. I just feel like until the world is quiet, I can't fully exercise my Ni/Te. But from midnight to the wee hours, everyone is asleep and the world is quiet and there is no chance someone's going to come knocking on my door or calling me. It's heavenly. That's when I do my best work.
This was such a great video! It was almost like I was in call with all four of you. You guys really cleared up a lot for me when it comes to these two types. Susan has a way with words, I found myself relating to her all throughout this discussion!
Hi Joyce. Thanks for another deep and insightful discussion. Everyone on the panel was knowledgeable and the commentary was relatable. I love how Sean expresses how our INFP traits can show up and his sense of humor. I also enjoyed you and Susan sharing your individual INFJ experiences, and like Paul I believe INFPs and INFJs together can make a powerful team, in an NF way of course:)
I'm glad I was able to sock you right in the aorta, my friend. Figuring out what is important to invest our time in is ideally what Fi provides to the world. And it's easy to see the absence of value prioritization in our modern world.
The noodle boy story was really interesting examole to give for NI, and how it kind of expects others to see the connection, and it would usually take more energy to explain it them to simply pretend that we were the ones who said something simple...
For me, it's really hard to distinguish which form of empathy I feel because it's so instantaneous. I see someone experiencing pain and I instantly feel their pain. Now that you mention it, there is a sense of putting myself in their shoes, as how would I feel in their shoes. But I don't think I would have ever discerned that nuance on my own. I just know it hurts to witness another's pain. And I feel like I feel it more than most people and I wonder what the hell is wrong with people. But then I do have Fe so will hurt someone obliviously so it seems like I don't have empathy. But as soon as I see they are hurting, it hits me. I did notice a difference in my INFJ mom though. It appeared to me that she experienced empathy as if she WAS the other person. She didn't just feel what they felt, she was them. That afforded her the ability to know what the other person was feeling more accurately than I am able to do. Like Susan, she would articulate your feelings for you. She was so good at that. It always used to amaze me. For me it's very amorphous. For her it was laser-focused precision on the essence of what they were feeling. I told her she was magic.
This is soo interesting. I feel there is a almost a bigget difference about how ne-si experiences empathy and how se-ni experiences empathy. It seems like you ni-se seem to be directly in the moment with the other person and try to exerience what they experience that maybe make you feel a type of way with fi or you truly absorb the vibe and emotions fo the other with fe. But it seems as if se is always truly instantaneous while ne has more of a cognitive detachment. For me as entp it is different I noticed that actually across the ne-si fe-ti functionstack. We often from what I've noticed pick up social cues and vibes from another person, so we do notice if they are sad, engaged or whatever but it doesn't truly effect us (I do sometime cry when another person cries but It's rare that it deeply affects me). It's more so we try to form a pattern of behaviour and try to pick the socially appropiate response in the situation instead of truly emoting with another in the moment and putting us in their shoes (we may do that with si as well so when we have a relatable expierence or know another with a relatable expierence we might share that tho). Another thing that I have noticed is that intj are extremely good at pin pointing emotional issues and I truly appreciate that. It may not be the right social timing (in class or at social gathering) but for example they then sometimes bluntly told me that a I may have a life crisis or self esteem issues. So something obviously very general. But it truly selps ne-fe in my opinion because we have a hard time truly narrowing down those issues so ni-fi can truly help in a way. What I noticed with nfps is that they often explain their own emotional expirence to sort through Emotion and for si-fi to help ne-fe you kind of have to align in your si otherwise it's not that applicable to us :D. So I do think that our percieving functions play a much larger part in empathy as we tend to give them credit for. I also related to both parts in this video as in reading the room the same as Joyce did with Sean for example but also the conceptialization of empathy Paul and Sean seem to be expeirencing.
That was quite an interesting Panel :D Loved Paul, Sean and Susan alongside Joyce. Feels like a nice group of friends :D I relate heavily to Fe being a literal autopilot for me even if I don't really want to engage with anyone :') It feels like I can never really be myself if there's another person with me. About identity, I think unlike Fi doms' concrete yet flexible Fi Identity and values, Ni Doms also have a unique identity, but a conceptual one. We have a general concept of who we are, but it's an idea, a foggy landscape, a hazy vision of the future. It gets clearer as time goes and as we learn more about ourselves and the world, but it's there. Being forced to focus on many things at once is *not* My forte, in fact it drains me quickly :'D all in all a very nice time, thanks to all of you!
I am also going to say that I haven't another video that has made me so appreciative of Fi. I have always been very critical of Fi hero so thanks to our two INFJs for allowing me to see the value of this function😊
Wonderful! I'm happy this video helped you appreciate Fi more :D It's a fantastic function that's willing to go against the group to do what is right. Fi is great.
Paul is so good with gestures and responding like when talking he nods and responds I feel like it would be nice to talk to him I’d feel like I’m being understood and I’m not rambling. I’d feel heard and understood and welcomed to go on and I have his attention and that’s pretty nice :) very comforting. I’m an INFJ and I’m so rigid and calm my infj intense stare can scare people sometimes! lol so seeing how comforting it is inspired me to start working on giving more feedback. I usually help people realize they’re understood with my words. But the gestures it’s easier to notice and help people feel more at ease. I’m rambling but these are my humble realizations lol. But this was a pretty great video! So many things are now more clear to me especially with the Fi, I feel like yes I have judged it as a selfish function in the past.
I totally agree with Susan that our tertiary function is more powerful. I sometimes do feel like a feeler because I have such strong Fi. And I feel that it's pretty well developed and controlled too. That may be because I think it's masculine though. But I don't know if I'm a jumper because my Te is pretty well-developed too. But Te is feminine.
I agree. I feel like it must be possible to be relatively balanced as double deciders, only a slight preference one way or the other for T or F, which may not be obvious till there is some serious conflict to make a call on. (especially if very deeply into your first observer function)
Another thing to mention is that I remember when I was younger, I was SHOCKED when Fe users like my Mom took my intense emotional expression in stride. It was SO INTENSE and I was really afraid to let it out for fear of hurting them. But I would let it come out a little and then they were like, "oh, is that all". It really shocks me because I would never allow my feelings to be expressed fully in their full magnitude. it would really hurt me if that intensity came at me. I remember as a kid, I was in awe of how Marsha Brady from the Brady Bunch was so expressive with her emotions. I was so mesmerized by that. I remember thinking to myself, "Omg how does she DO that?! I would never be able to do that!" So I am impressed that you Fe users are able to take it. I still have been told too many times that I'm "too intense" so I will always be apprehensive and protective about sharing emotions and vulnerabilities but I think that may happen more with Sensor Fe users and not the Ni/Fe users. Still trying to suss that out. I do want to warn folks though that I'm not sure ESFJs and ISFJs can handle our intensity so well. It's been my experience that they do pretty well but they don't really understand quite to the same depth as an Ni/Fe user.
Weird... I’m an ENFP but I relate equally strongly to how the boys were describing their Fi empathy (by being triggered by a past emotion that made them feel a similar way), AND Susan’s description of her Fe empathy (seeing someone express a certain emotion and immediately feeling that emotion as well). I’ll be watching a movie or see someone who’s sad about something that I know I have never experienced before, but I can feel the pain. And I’m honestly not sure which one I do more. Do other ENFPs relate???
Yeah, this all gets really complicated. If I explain it as reaching back to find a similar emotion, that was only an afterthought, and not necessarily an accurate one. Empathy in NFPs type tends to be thought of as consciously saying "I've had this experience before, and I felt this way, so they must feel this way!", but that also ignores the power of Ne to conjure up mental simulations. Using Ne to empathize feels like beaming your mind into either the situation or the mind of another, and then experiencing those emotions. Frankly, if you're ENFP and relying on Ne without accessing Si (while INFPs can access both relatively equally), your ability to experience empathy in novel sources may be stronger than an INFP. Any other thoughts on your experience with empathy and sympathy? I'm just spitballing here, but this topic gets particularly complicated.
I'm an infp 6w7 and I never fully related to common infp stereotypes (i care about what ppl think about me, i mimic people's behavior subconsciously, i suppress my intuition to be more practical/useful, etc.), I didn't know why until i learned about enneagram typology- then it all made sense. I've never mistyped as an infj, i've only mistyped as an intp. But upon researching Infjs, i can see how from the outside looking in, someone could type me as an infj. But i know myself and ik i use Fi>Fe and Ne>Ni lol.
As someone that constantly typed as an INFJ, I would like to point that Susan is the INFJ women that I most recognized myself from the entire RUclips. Very interesting
Infp here, it feels like to me we all (humanity) seem a bit afraid of sharing our souls. I realize that some do share more than others. It just feels like we are afraid that we all might be the same on a soul level? Same desires might be more accurate. Loved the conversation! ✌
Just wanted to say these panels are so helpful Joyce! It is awesome to see different types interacting in real time. I feel like it captures typology in a different way compared to other youtube channels / articles where it tends to be just one or two people talking about the cognitive functions...
Joyce the difference you pointed out between Ni & Ne in reference to “Asta/Pasta”/“Noodle boy” was a perrrrfect description of the differences in humour. And also one of me favourite things about Ni users. The deeper connections they make and the fact that they force me to take a second to actually think about the jokes/comments they make is utterly delightful. I think it has an incredibly stimulating affect on my main Ne function that’s often searching for novel ways of looking at things.
I don't know for me I usually cry unexpectedly. I don't actively choose to feel it, those feelings just tend to come up when I happen to listen to certain kinds of music or watch certain kinds of movies. - INFP.
I felt unsure if I was INFP or INFJ, but now it really does seem to click that I am an Fi-Ne-Si-Te user. This was a pretty interesting discussion, thank you for this. I do agree with me as an INFP I tend to have a memory for my past feelings and they are usually tied to past events which links to my tertiary Si. this might explain why I may feel myself tear up if I hear a familiar song that made me feel that way before.
I think common to both INFPs and INFJs is that we tend to put our truest selves inside a tall castle within our hearts except for rare occasions and people perhaps
Greeting to Sean, his subscriber ( See kind of simularity in him, me infp-t, ennegram 4 -99%( witch wing, dont know because next in must is 7 ennegram 86% and 5 ennegram 85%
What Susan said about not trusting her emotions to be right, I feel the same way with my associations. Thats why I allways need an external source, a patern I can play around with, wich makes my intuition extroverted. I think you could extend this analogy to Tx and concepts and Sx and ? (maybe procedures?)
It just doesn't make sense to associate introverted functions with memory. If an extroverted sensing Dom is looking at the keys on the counter, observing the qualities of reality, and he the closes his eyes and tries to remember what the keys looked like he's accessing his extroverted sensing memory. Same with an extroverted intuition Dom remembering as he falls asleep at night the patterns and potentials he observed throughoit out the day.
That tension that is the pull of my Ni, like that river flowing downstream analogy Paul described was a great analogy. It aligns nicely with the work of Esther and Jerry Hicks and Abraham when they talk about going down stream as your natural state of your energy flow. The way I usually describe it to people is there is a tension that builds as I am using Te/Se, which is the pull of my natural Ni, and the longer I am out of that Ni state and being forced to stay in my Te or Se state, then I will start to feel more and more resistance, like a rubber band stretching more and more taught. Eventually the tension of the rubber band will be too great to resist and will snap back and I'll surrender back into my Ni. Ahhhhhhhhhh....relieved to be back in my happy place until the next call to Te/Se.
I love that rubber band analogy!!! When some claim they are magical creatures with equal proportions of introversion and extroversion, it's helpful to think of that rubber band. Where is one most comfortable? Where do they feel the least tension when straying away from it?
But I don't like when I'm misunderstood and I'm treated wrong for that reason, I don't have the need to be understood but If you don't understand me let me be
Yes! My INFP friend Cristian told me he doesn't like it when he's misunderstood by others and mistreated because of that. He wants to be understood so he can be left alone.
Yeah, I get that. It's complicated. Even though Sean and I somewhat jokingly said we liked being mysterious and misunderstood, I think a large part of that is that we prefer others not to assert that we are something we are not. And sometimes feeling like we are misunderstood helps us find comfort in feeling that we are alien, that we are so different.
Yea it reminds me of that quote about pecking a different chicken to death if most people don't understand you it seems like they want to harm you. We don't get it because these particular personality types accept people for who they are you can notice someone is different and still show respect. But it could possibly be because they take our actions like not talking or being alone as being snobby or think we are to cool for school or something lol.
Oh Wooooww, that is so interesting! I never noticed it before but now that you mentioned it, everyone I know who is a vegan is an Ni user. Actually, the 2 that I know best are fellow INTJs. Both of them have been vegan or vegetarian for like 2 decades. I had a close friend in grad school who was a super strong vegan as well but for the life of me I can't decide what her type was. I suspect she was an INFJ or INFP but now I'm leaning toward INFP because of the FI. So, do you ever see vegan Fe users?
I've known vegans who were Fe users. Veganism can be motivated for many reasons, and through many functions. Fi can reasonably be considered the most likely motivation for veganism because veganism is not popular, and the individual value system of Fi can easily lead someone to go against convention for the sake of morality. But the first vegan friend I made was INFJ. So it's not a clear correlation...
The issue with being misunderstood, once I realized they meant being fundamentally misunderstood and not just the frustration of miscommunication ("I'm trying to tell you something in Greek and it turns out you only speak Tagalog"), was really enlightening for me. (Unless I fundamentally misunderstood that idea LOL)
In regard to 56:35 Is knowing very well what one wants / where one is going the same thing as who one is? Do the INFJs who see this message know very well what they want and where they are going or also not?
I think at the end of the day people seem to forget that two different types can result in people with almost identical personalities, or at the very least a lot of similarities. How we get there may be different, but the end result is the same. I think the term "Personality Type" really undermines the respect that Jungian psychology deserves. The cognitive functions are about how we perceive the world and interact with it. It's fair to say that we can make educated guesses based on the functions one uses, but no absolutes can really exist as far as what most would consider someone's personality. Videos like the ones you do Joyce are so important. It's important to see different types interacting and putting words to how they experience the world. It does make me sad how confused it must make many who are new to type theory. I know it confused me and added to what was already a very confusing ordeal when it came to my type. To be fair though, type theory is never not going to be confusing... Because it involves trying to decipher our brains, and what is more confusing than that?
Paul is more emotionally complex than Sean. This has nothing to do with OPS/MBTI. Does it? Also, does he have meditation/monk background? Won't be surprised.
I can appreciate what you're saying about emotional complexity, but I'm wondering where that could come from. I don't think it's really a difference in complexity as much as a difference in focus on that complexity. Because you know OPS, we can get NERDY! I see Sean's Fi as feminine, mine as masculine. He is more SENSITIVE to his feelings, I'm more FORCEFUL upon my feelings. So I spend more time trying to analyze and structure my emotions, like building a castle of sand, whereas he spends more time simply being with and enjoying his emotions, like they're a river current that can move him. And I also suspect (pretty strongly) that my Si is masculine, whereas his is feminine. That would explain why I am a little more solid with my expression of emotions, whereas his is more fluid, and more observant and sensitive to his memories, honouring them without forcing them into some sort of state of being. But that's not a difference in emotional complexity, but merely a difference in our approach to and conveyance of our emotions. I can explain them, but he can use them and act with them, which is harder for me. And Sean actually has a successful RUclips channel, able to produce a structure upon which he may share his views, because of his Te. And he has gone out and collected many experiences in his life and can make connections to things I would never dream of. I watch his videos, and am just amazed with how they flow so comfortably. I really admire him, because he, while being INFP, is someone who seems to see and live in the other part of the world I never could. I really suspect Sean is F-Fi, M-Ne, F-Si, M-Te, while I'm M-Fi, F-Ne, M-Si, F-Te. Do you think this explains anything? Would love to hear more of your thoughts. I do try and meditate every day. And I like reading philosophy and spirituality. But I'm actually from a Christian background, though I love exploring faith more generally now. What makes you suspect the meditation and monk background?
@@PaulWBruce Thank you for the thoughtful reply. I find what mbti, OPS or enneagram can't capture yet are discerning aspects of us. As for emotional complexity, perhaps I should have referred to "inner-tension" or something similar. That's what I felt your presence was conveying to me and I felt It's much less present in other 3 participants here. Of course, they too exhibit interesting aspects of themselves but I would not go into it here. As for the meditation aspect, I don't really know why. There is a some kind of seeking quality to your voice. Yes, perhaps a seeker. Less settled. Still searching. Good Luck to your journey.
@@rainydaycommenter8537 Wow. Thank you for THAT thoughtful reply. Sorry if I misunderstood what you were getting at. I've noticed that I've got a decent amount of... I want to say "small traumas" in my upbringing that taught me to distrust my emotional state. That's likely why I did not see my Fi for so long. So it's definitely been a journey finding comfort in my emotions. There is still so much analysis, skepticism, self-disgust. So I've been on both sides, and now, thanks to understanding my type, and having a friend like Joyce to guide me, I've been able to understand how I function, and come to peace with it. Your noticing the challenge and conflict within me speaks volumes to your abilities of perception. I am honoured to be a recipient of your wisdom. Thank you for helping me put language to that.
Probably slightly off topic (sort of!)...I think I inadvertantly worked out how to confirm type by playing Cluedo. I've played this many times with an ENFP, INFP, ISFJ, ENTP and one ISTJ (and I'm an INFJ). Now what I have noticed is that this game requires a couple of main skills: collatiing information from multiple sources and also once gathered, this information needs to be systematically organised and interpreted. I have to say, I am TERRIBLE at this game! The amount of effort it takes gets me to a point where I just enjoy watching everyone else play and that is satisfying - very often I don't even fill out much of my score sheet and everyone wonders what I was doing for the last couple of hours :) Anyway, my youngest daughter (17) is an ENFP and is so good at Cluedo! I believe people with extroverted intuition are going to be great at this game: she literally takes in everyone's moves and decisions effortlessly and has won the game many times. As an addition to that, her friend who is also ENFP played with us a few weeks ago. She's never even heard of Cluedo and I very accurately predicted that she would be great at it -she was and got close to winning - at times she didn't even seem to be concentrating! Ok, so those with good introverted thinking seem good at it too. The ENTP draws up his own chart and takes note of EVERY single player's choices...he won the last game. Of course, he also has Ne so its win win for him! The ISFJ struggled just like I did - the only difference was that she enjoyed playing more and wanted to do her best. The ISTJ: he has won the game twice and only played it three times. I think those with Te may be at an advantage in the game too because they are able to systemise everything and set it in order....lastly, the INFP is good at it too and again, Ne is in play.....gosh, sorry Joyce, long post but I've found this quite thrilling :)
I feel like it depends on where the Fi is. If the Fi is in the second slot, like an ENFP or ESFP, they might appear more expressive than an Fi user with Fi in their first slot might be. This is because having Fi as a tool (2nd function) can make things easier than having it as a dominant function, if that makes sense.
@@leylaserbest1078 Is that a constant? As in, always in the introverted feeling? And that is why it is draining? Since anything introverted can't be seen unless it's communicated somehow. So is it a constant controlling of the emotions for the outside world?
@@matilda4406 It is not a constant.. but it is definetly necessary in the day-to-day life. Not everything can allign with your Fi, and when it doesn't, I personally connect with people by using my Ne.. but rather in a detached and non- emotional manner. The thing with that is that the lack of my Fi gets draining after a while, and when that happens, I usually need my alone time with my Fi. You could say we "put on a facade" to kind of function in the outside world without seeming like a total misfit... which kind of goes against the Fi authenticity. But when I'm personally around people who share the same values and interests as me, I am 100% myself and I don't get drained by putting on a show.
INFP'S are cool on the outside very detached until you get to know them and they share their emotions and convictions when they trust you INFJ'S are so introverted and private very hard to get to know but when you get to know them they are warm and deep .
Both INFJ' and INFP are private INFP'S can feel more emotions than what they share with the world so they seem to be detached INFJ'S quiet strength is felt by others they get frustrated of what is inside them is so rarely fully tapped
So I once had an argument with a guy about wether or not knowledge of the self could be best determined by the opinions of others or through self reflection. I (INFP) was absolute that only through self reflection could one truly know ones self and my friend was adamant that other people can see you better than you can see yourself since we all to some sense lie to our selves etc. Then this other guy just walked up to the table and for no reason joined the conversation and agreed with me and proceeded to spout the most self delusional BS I've ever heard..... so.... I'm calling that argument a draw.
INTP here. Somebody please do an INTP vs INFJ video. They are the 2 most commonly mistyped of MBTI and especially with each other. Just one VS video. Please! No more INTP x INFJ videos. Here's what I want to know.: What do each expect from people in regards to each of the 8 functions? Hiw do they each describe or understand the 8 functions? How do each take care of themselves physically and mentally? What do they each look for in life? Why? What do they not understand about each other? How do they each deal with people? How do they each deal with society? How do they each plan differently? Why do they each believe they get mistyped so often?
What a great session! The more I dive into typing the more of a mystery it becomes. I can relate with both Fi and Fe. I have friends that (seem to be Fi users) and they have a fortress around their emotions and feelings. I have related to the depth of Fi but not in how they conceal. I think I share pretty freely and like to explore my feelings on subjects with others and when I do, I think it comes out as "I feel this way and what are your thoughts" I really enjoy sharing and having an ear. Which leads me to think that may be Fe?? Though the Fe users I've seen in the Objective Personality community look so different than me! How do you narrow this down??
Thank you, Austin! :) Yes, there's a lot of overlap between the feeling functions which can make them difficult to differentiate from each other. I actually have a typing service if you need help differentiating between Fe and Fi in yourself. If you are interested you can email me at joycemeng22@gmail.com!
@@JoyceMeng22 I would certainly consider it! I appreciate your ability to guide interviews/conversations about very nuanced information and bring understanding. Thank you!
INTP here. Nobody understands me. They say talking to me is like talking to a post,lol. I was typed over 20 yrs ago. You guys are talking refinements I don't know about. My husband tells me to shut up a lot - I don't talk much.
That doesn't sound like a nice, loving husband to me.. Hard to say through text what and how I mean this, but "you deserve the best", without the clichës and such.
I’m sorry to hear you being treated like this by your husband. If you are a Christian just pray for him, otherwise get to know Jesus as your savior he loves you and died for your sins..you can never bore him! He wants to be our best friend he created you just the way you are and unique! I’m an Infp girl and my fiancé I think too or he might be Intp like you not sure. Much love 💕💕
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I realized there might be some confusion about everyone's types!! Susan and I are the INFJs, Paul & Sean are the INFPs.
Oh! Thanks for clearing that up. I thought I was one of the INFJs, and felt really bad for Sean. But he is so much INFP awesome, he could easily hold his own.
Paul is not blast last for sure ;)
@@capricorn8494 I was going to write you a two-paragraph response in agreement, but then it seemed unnecessary. ;)
Thanks but I figured out it about 15 minutes….(I am an INFP)
Paul (Fi) = “I don’t want to burden you with my feelings” Susan(Fe)= “Please burden me with your feelings” 😆❤️
Susan's Fe is so upfront and present. It's like she's trying to validate everyone just through her presence. It's very comforting.
As an INFP, I have often been told that I am eloquent speaker and that I say things in an impactful way which I could never understand as I like being behind the scenes. I think watching Paul makes me finally understand what people mean. He speaks in a way that grabs me and his words are arranged in a quietly passionate , poetic and unique way that makes me feel and visualize what he is describing through the figurative language that he uses.
Same for me.
I find Sean is this kind of extroverted INFP, like me, that is a rare plant. I know quite some INFP's and they are usually shyer than I am. So this is very refreshing for me to see.
Same!
Almost extroverted INFP, I think Sean might be my second cousin 😏
wrong "Sean" isnt INFP ..
@@beaudupre3248 Sean can only be this loud and boisterous as an INFP if he has been drinking a lot of caffeine which would bring out his ENFJ unconscious. Caffeine or alcohol will make an introvert extroverted, loud and extremely talkative like this guy Sean. If he hasn't been drinking caffeine then he has either hyper-active disorder or bipolar disorder.
@@gloomyman9488 I think Sean has been drinking a lot of caffeine aa an INFP which has brought out his ENFJ unconscious. Carl Jung has explained the shadow and how it can make an introvert extroverted and an extrovert more introverted due to the either a trigger or a substance like caffeine or alcohol which changes ou mindset. He drank coffee or soda before coming on this video. If Sean isn't this loud and boisterous due to caffeine consumption then he has a hyper-active disorder or bipolar disorder which automatically alters our personality.
I love how articulate Paul is about his insights!
Paul is such a genius with his analysis of sympathy vs empathy.
Thanks Joyce for the invite - totally enjoyed the convo! 🤙 *Paul and Susan were also super awesome to meet!!
Sean
Yeah, it was such a pleasure to meet you also.
It was a joy chatting with you!! Thank you for coming on :) You INFPs light up my life.
wrong "Sean" isnt INFP ..
@@gloomyman9488 He is. But you're not.
@@gloomyman9488why not?
Sean trying to describe the INFP/INFJ mistype phenomenon at the beginning is PEAK INFP-ness 😂 the word-vomiting with nuggets of wisdom and the self consciousness at the end “was that good enough?” Is my INFP bf any time I ask him a deep question hahaha. Amazing!
I am INFP and have so similar behavior
I love INFPs and INFJs! Sean and Paul are cute 😳 great video Joyce!
- INTJ
Haha you fancy the INFPs 🙂 I don't blame you! :) Thanks, Val.
Just have to pop on to say, INFP's make me so calm when they talk. I see their fi in their demeanor and my fe gets all cosy.
Yeah! The presence of an INFP is soothing for sure. 😊
As an INTJ who has child Fi, I totally agree with Sean that I want everyone to find their own path. But, I do not like to be misunderstood. Usually the way I am misunderstood is more like I am being really underestimated. I don't like it at all.
Finally got to the end of this. Another great video. I wanted to jump in and comment so many times. Love Paul's insights. And your comments on INFPs dabbling. That is so me. From music to photography, MBTI, philosophy, psychology, writing, taking on the problems of a friend in pain, political activism to active hobbies, e.g sports.And whatever may inspire me in the moment. It may seem like a lot, but I don't want it any other way. 3 of those will be my core, and the rest just run in the background constantly.
INFP dabbling is definitely a thing :)!! Nice to hear your personal experience with it. I'm happy you liked the video, Mentos Jones.
There is this unfortunate perception in our culture of people more inclined towards generalism. Really, when you explore many different subject areas and develop different skills, you may never be an expert in any one topic, but a genius in seeing the connectedness between these areas. Looking at your interests you listed, sports psychology is a great field of research, as is the philosophy of aesthetics and art (including photography). All things exist in isolation and in relation, and "dabbling" helps to illuminate the relationships. So keep being a scatterbrain, it will be a true gift to the world.
Love it
Yes my friends, I like to say I'm a Jack of all trades, and a master of some. 😁 Ive had a crack at mucho mucho occupations (apsrt from sales obviously, unless you call pulling and selling a beer over the bar sales. 😅) As well as sports and hobbies. It's a long list, and at 49 it's only diminished in progression ever so slighty.
If you wish, or have a minute or two to spare, and don't mind me indulging myself with some literary nonfiction. Here is a compilation of my greatest hits.😜 To give an example of the bizarre plethora of Worlds, Lives, and lifestyles one single INFP can live and fit into one lifetime (so far). 😊
Starting from my earliest exposure to the working world, growing up on a beef cattle, sheep, and serial cropping farm in the outer reaches of rural Australia. With a few pigs and horses thrown in for good measure. This gave me my first taste of the ways of the working World, as you might imagine quite early on I was immersed into all aspects of farm life. From working with all the animals, disappearing on my tractor for days alone in my imaginative head, going round and round in rectangles working the paddocks. Having my first second hand, hand-me-down motorbike by the age of 7. Which grew into a liking for, and me becoming a half decent rider at endurance motorcross racing in my early 20's. I digress, sorry I will do my best to cull superfluous detail. But, you get the gist. Moving on to high school, an Agricultural College (Dairy farm/rugby league/all male catholic boarding school) where at the age of 12 and up we put to hard labour and Saturday mornings, where we could've been doing any job from, extra work at the dairy, piggery, chicken shed, tractor work, even building our own 3km tar road up to the school. Swinging of shovels and wheel barrows, to jack hammers and heaving rolling machinery. The disciple and structure was definitely helpful for a growning male INFP without a Fatherly role model in our household anymore, as my Father had passed away a few years prior to highschool. Even though my friend Nonconformity would raise his everpresent head now and then to keep my rebellious autonomy and my mildly, healthy, cynical, and cautious gaze over the powers that be in check.😉 I did enjoy their silly game of rules, but I'd play the game my way as much as possible.
I had all sorts of imaginings for my future after school. Could've used a role model in that moment to help me narrow the choices. As much as I enjoyed the camaraderie of the friendships I'd forged with children of different personalities from all over the country and outside of the country. I decided that I wanted pursue my dreams and leave school couple of years early. Only completing my school cerficate, and not continue for my higher school certificate. Even though a few of my teachers suggested and tried to coax me stay on, believing I could cut the mustard okay. My heart and mind was never really there. I lacked that parental guidance and push. I was rudderless. My underlying passion hasn't really changed when I think about. There was always a idealic wanderlust. The dream of somehow without any qualifications or monetary means, getting in my imaginary work truck with my imaginary dog, toolbox and motorbike in the back, and driving around Australia working as I wander.
Once moving back to this place they call Reality. I began my quest to realising my dream by taking the road most travelled and torturous road possible by the fiscally challenged. I work my proverbial arse off. 😅 Longer story a little less long. I started and completed an apprenticeship as a motor mechanic, with the thought of this being a great asset on the farm. Whilst also continuing on with my metal fabrication and welding courses, with the other passions of my youth starting to come to the fore. Weaving my music, water skiing, motorbikes, romance, and hunting Wild Boar, rabbits and Hares for extra drinking silver on the weekends with my mate. Amongst other the madness.
After finishing my apprenticeship, not with out unforeseen embezzlement my upper management causing my apprenticeship to be broken up an extended. Having to jump from company to company to get it finished. I had to find odd jobs as a farmhand in between. I spent my last as a tradesmen repaying my boss for helping me getting it completed. I staying a year longer with him in our two man show, out towards the outback of Australia.
From there I picked up a job through word of mouth from a mate who had just quit the job. Working as a farm hand on a cotton farm out West for 2 years. And helping out where I could back at Mum's farm. Until the rock band my friend and I had started really began to pick up pace as a working touring band. So I moved back to my home town to be closer to the band and began working as a mechanic again for another friend. By now I was working 8 days a week in a band and as a mechanic, trying to manage my next romantic relationship, paying off my apartment and travel all over the state every weekend with the band for the next 3 years. By now I'm edging on 26. And meanwhile my wanderlust had been simmering away on a low heat since my cotton farming days. It was now building a good head of steam. Behind the scenes in my cotton picker I had been formulating a plan and saving for my lifetime dream of travelling to the land of my liverpudlian heroes. My childhood dream of joining The Beatles was calling louder and louder. Even though they had broken up a year before I was born. 😂. Well, if I couldn't join them I could at least go and see where my heroes had grown-up. And the clock was now ticking, for if I was not to enter the UK by the age of 26 years and 364 days old, my I would forfeit my opportunity for a 2 year working holiday visa in England. The infp deadline had been set. It was time to really apply my Te.
I had informed my girlfriend a year earlier of my plan. And the band a few months before leaving. I had picked up a few bar skills along the way in preparation for the journey, thinking if need be I can at least pick up some bar work if we get into a pickle. I purchased my round the world ticket and told my girlfriend "I had to do it, to make it real. And show her this is real, I'm leaving." "If I don't leave soon I won't have a chance to do this. Are you in or are you out?" She was torn. One of her parents saying, "you should go", the other saying, "well if you're not sure maybe you should stay?" I told her if she was still unsure she can wait here until she felt comfortable and I will let her know where I am, and she could join me later. She panicked and broke off our relationship. I forged ahead with the thought, "new begins, I'm on my own again." Then last minute my now ex-girlfriend changed her mind and decided she would come with me.
I will save you some pain now and try to just stick to the occupations as much as I can. 😊
So with my only plan being that I have to be at Heathrow airport before I turn 27. I rented out my apartment to my little sister and her friend, told the boys in the band, "this is it, thanks for the memories". I quit my job and we flew out the following weekend. I bought a van in Seattle and drove us across 28 or more US states, and not quite every province of Canada. I picked up some work for us landscaping in South Dakota for a while, to help fund our travels. I also picked up some work with a Canadian friend's Uncle, on his cattle Ranch. Whilst we stayed with my friend and his family. Sold the van in New Orleans, and bused it to our flight out of Houston.
Onwards to the UK. Got a job, any job. Start working on a production line building computers for 6 months. Saved enough money to hire a car for a few weeks, driving around the UK and making it to Liverpool. As well as buy a bicycle and pedal it around the Mediterranean for about 5 months. Starting in Turkey, then Greece, Italy, France and Spain. Flew back to the UK and grabbed a job the the day after on a construction sight doing heavy duty electrical work. Kicked around between jobs until I landed one installing elevators in high rise buildings Canary Wharf in London. all the other jobs prior to I stayed there helping my friend in his workshop as a mechanic for another 6 months. And made plans to head back to England to be with my English girlfriend. The girlfriend never panned out, but I found the new one and she moved with me to England. I organised a 3-year work permit with the elevator company I previously worked for. I became an elevator engineer spending the next two and a half years there. Whilst doing some more travelling around Europe. We left Europe for three months backpacking around Southeast Asia on the way home. Picked up a job on arrival replacing water metres for the Brisbane council. Became a postman. Started another band with fellow postmen. Sorry if I bored you all. Tried to pick up the pace and cut a lot out. You get the idea though. Very INFP. I didn't think it through hard enough as to how much of a task I had just taken on in trying to write all this. In between all that I have backpacked on my own, meeting others along the way, during my travels of another 30 or more countries, progressively honing my photography skills along the way. Good going if you made it to the end. Still good friends with all the leading ladies of this long winded story. To be continued. 🤣🤔😝🤣😁😅😝😂? wow. it was so big they asked me to shorten it because it wouldn't fit.
Just have to say that this group dynamic was both so entertaining and clarifying for me! I always had a hard time differentiating between these two types and this conversation provided so much clarification. The INFPs, Paul and Sean, are super funny and Paul is extremely articulate in such an intuitive manner. Paul, your eloquent explanation of Fi helped me clarify the depth and clarity that function holds within an INFP. Thank you! And yes, we want to hear from you, Paul! And Sean, you are a real time demonstration of Ne which is so fun and funny to witness (I enjoy videos on your channel as well). Thank you again, Joyce for organizing another great type talk. And, of course, Susan, your insights are always so valuable and adds so much dimension.
P.S.-I'm also plant-based but I don't like to use that label for myself in public forums since the word vegan has much ethical, political, and social underpinnings aka. lots of Fi stuff. For me I do it for health which may be an Se thing?
Thanks Mr. Chang for the awesome comment - we appreciate it! Yeah I’m an Ne mess and it can sometimes scare people when I get excited lol.
Nice to meet you 🤙🏻
Sean
Glad you enjoyed watching, Walter!! 😊 It makes me happy that this video brought you more insight on INFPs and INFJs :)
Flattery will get you... everywhere. Thanks for the kind words, they mean a lot. I'm really glad you enjoyed the talk. Joyce knows how to bring the right people together to create magic every time.
The term "plant-based" is a very appropriate term. There are so many concepts that get conflated with veganism. I have to tell people that, even though I'm vegan, I don't smoke marijuana or wear sandals. Really, veganism is the ethic, and the diet is one of "plant-based eating" or "strict vegetarianism". There is nothing wrong for doing something positive whatever that reason, so good on you for taking control of your health that way.
I've found over the years that there are multiple reasons for a plant-based/vegan life, and they don't need to be separated. I started the journey because of my concern for the livelihoods of nonhuman animals, and yet the more research on nutrition I did, the more I became convinced that it was a good choice. And many are the opposite: "I'm going to eat healthier... and, oh, what's that? I happen to not contribute to animal suffering to the same extent? Sold."
@@INFPHD unintentionally stumbled upon you today it seems, hello sean.
It's super sweet everyone was just totally cool with her daughter peeping in and hanging out during the meeting. Very cute ☺️
As an InFJ, I was not really bothered either…maybe slightly at first,but it quickly went away. She is cute
Fantastic! My daughter (INFP) and me (INFJ) really enjoyed this 😊
Glad to hear, Shaun!! 💚🙂
For bonding with your daughter over watching a panel discussion on personality typology, you deserve a round of applause. The dramatic kind, that slowly builds from one person clapping into a sea of applause.
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😂 Thanks Paul...the two of us often talk about MBTI...my other daughter is an ENFP and isn't that interested beyond doing the tests...my wife is ISFJ and doesn't want to even do that...so at least I have a wingman...ah...woman...🙃
OMG YES! I totally agree with Sean and Paul! I used to get so pissed if people would tell me to "smile more", especially like in high school and college or especially if they were saying it in a judgmental way, as Paul was saying, the intention makes a huge difference. But you get sensors who are acting like there is something wrong with you just because you are in your own world and they come in and invade that space and criticize you. It can make me feel rage inside. But obviously I show none of that. I just tell them, "No, I'm feeling fine. I'm good.". If they are clearly judging me for it then I'll outright tell them that I WAS feeling great until they said that. I would be feeling great inside and then they say that and kinda ruins my mood for awhile afterward. I got really resentful about that for a few years in my late teens early twenties.
That's another reason why I had to develop Fe so I could fake being all smiley on the outside so people would leave me alone about it. Even though I feel happy on the inside, it still feels fake to show it on the outside because it's like I'm having to put on a mask. It never matches the inside exactly so it's just like "fine, here you go, here's a smile and a "hey how's it going" for ya." It feels so fake to me but I've found that since I learned to put on that mask, then my interactions with coworkers and acquaintances got a lot more smooth. So it turned out to be a good thing and now it's pretty easy for me to do. But it still drains my energy after a while. And it still feels fake. It's just that I'm good at it now and I recognize that social lubrication is important and has to be done. But anyway yeah, what Sean and Paul said. Except, I don't get on the spiral out of control that Sean mentioned. I feel a good mastery/control over my Fi and it never feels out of control.
That was one of those things people told me the most (along with I’m “no fun to be with”) when I was a child because I had depression and didn’t know how to hide it. (Really affects how I see humanity as a while, to be honest.) I grew up training myself to hide my negative emotions and now I can’t express any of those in front of other people even if I wanted to (I had several therapists asking me why I was laughing when I talked about my trauma haha). I also have the same problem as you because even when I want to show people that I appreciate them I have to fake a smile, even when I’m genuinely grateful, because my face simply doesn’t do it naturally. I hate my Fe, because I hate having to be constantly anxious about how others perceive me, due to the societal tendency to punish those who stray from the norm. I don’t blame it on the sensors, though.
100% true! People always tell me to become more "confident", more "assertive", more "talkative". I hate it. But I learned to fake it, just to protect myself from being hurt deeply. I feel I need to put on a mask every day, it is very draining for sure.
Great discussion from everyone. After watching this, it is hard to believe that INFP often mistype as INFJ. There is the same gentle acceptance from both types (thanks NF) but the way feelings are processed is just so different. It seems that life is something that just happens with INFPs but INFJs have a way better plan. I am an INFP and have no plan, I love the process and the journey more than the destination. I do empathy so much better than sympathy and Sean was completely right, it comes from a remembered emotion in the past. I like to hide and process my emotions even though this can be frustrating for my friends who don't seem to understand why it is hard for me to share feelings. I have been watching Sean's videos not quite since he started but not long after and they are so quirky and fun and wonderfully edited, you are very talented mate. I have been on Susan's page numerous time as well as Joyce's RUclips channel. Nice to see a new face Paul, I wish I was half as articulate as you are.
This comment shows how kind and thoughtful INFPs are. Thank you so much, Meredith! :) Your warmth and your words mean a lot to me.
Thank you, Meredith. I try to be articulate, as to convey ideas with precision and clarity, but something me no writing so goodly becuz me forgts hw 2.
@@PaulWBruce I'm a bit more like Sean, I get over-enthusiastic and babble or say things that are completely inappropriate. I am so much better when I have time to put my thoughts together on paper. I also get your Flash reference, Barry Allen is so INFP
@@JoyceMeng22 You're so sweet! It usually takes a long time for people to realise that I am soft on the inside. Sweet and shy often get mistaken for cool and aloof and honestly, I'm usually better with animals than people.
I do not know where this Infp mistyping as Infj commonality comes from. It seems full of assumptions. Where is the data to suggest that the mistypes were actually Infps?
The conversation between Sean and Paul is interesting because it demonstrates how differently two people can be even if they have the same personality stack. This is why you shouldn't judge your type by stereotypes or by watching a couple of youtubers and judging yourself against them. MBTI is cognitive functions, i.e., brain patterns and such. But beyond that it's subjective to the person so each 16 type carries a its own range/spectrum of presentation.
Sorry but I don't believe Sean is an introvert. He might be an ENFP but not an INFP. The only way he could be an introvert is if he has some type of hyperactive personality disorder connected to his MBTI personality type. He is very loud and boisterous. No INFP is loud and boisterous. ENFPs can be loud and boisterous like Robin Williams. He even admitted that Ne is his favorite personality.
Paul Bruce is definitely an INFP. I can see Paul cringing everytime Sean opens his mouth with that loud tone and telling him to keep on talking poetically. INFPs will say "We need to get on board" in their ESTJ subconscious. There is no doubt that Paul Bruce is an INFP. He talks like other INFPs like Prince, Tim Burton, and Johnny Depp.
I just LOVE INFJs and INFPs.
🤍🤍🤍 Aubrey. Thank you for the rich in-depth commentary on the video. Always nice to hear your thoughts. I appreciate you INTJs too!
PREACH! We kind of touched on that during the video, how it's hard to express introverted functions sufficiently. But when it's your dominant function, you just develop more practice for expressing it, more out of necessity than anything. I would be your ability to convey your Ni is better than that to convey your Fi (though you did a darn good job here!).
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@@PaulWBruce Awe....INFP adorableness melting my INTJ heart. :-)
26:00 mark talking about the NE
Getting overwhelmed then giving up.
I have been through a crazy year of being Forced to live extroverted almost constantly. And I am grateful because here’s what it strengthened in me:
The ability to quicken my internal processing abilities to make a “best” momentary decision. I also tap into my emotions internally but can use my external cognitive functions to internally structure how long I allow myself to “sit” and make a decision. It has helped me gauge WHAT I have to make a decision on and process the hypotheticals first and then tap into my NE to decide the best emotion outcome. Sometimes if I do get blocked I reach out to a few ISTP types and they can help ground me.) It went from like a microwave dinner (quick but not very good quality) to a pressure cooker.( intensely cooked. Using the pressure to push the quality of environmental factors into the eventual outcome) I would say that I didn’t even know how to properly use the microwave at first... and as an INFP I usually only used a few buttons because thats all I needed (I.e. “popcorn button” start and stop🤣). But then I came into a crazy situation that I HAD to read the manual and I had no choice. I knew being in NE wouldn’t fix my situation and I doubted myself a lot but I read the manual and “trial and errored” and found that I was much more competent and able than I thought.
I then moved that “skill” (though I didn’t like reading the manual)..I saw how facing my fears (in a healthy way) brought in big rewards! So when I was then given a pressure cooker, I was able to use my resourcefulness (momgyvering) and confidence so cook an amazing meal!!!
Current situation: The meal has like 5 minutes left and I’m setting the table. I’m a little nervous but I know that I can rely on the past examples now that I have been through and that God has helped me though. I know it will be a beautiful meal!
I’m about to move myself and 4 kids to relocate to another city. Downsizing from a 3300Sq for house by myself and after 10 years of being a disabled vet and stay at home mom, I applied for a govt job and despite it all...I was their top candidate and got the job! I really had to use a lot of extroverted expression for the phone interview and was TERRIFIED but it again shows that with hard work and a lot of willing and not willingly exposing yourself to new situations and being intentional...you can do anything!!!! (Well maybe anything 😉)
Great Panel!
I regret not enabling push notifications for everything that happens on the channel.
paul is sooo cute omfg infps are my weakness
Um... I'm looking for a blushing emoticon, but can't seem to find it... but you get the idea.
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Paul Bruce well, the same for you... 😳
Oh that's so exciting about you and Paul working together to create Dynamic Archetypes! I didn't realize that. I can't wait for your site to come out.
I'm excited too!! He's going to be one of the managing partners of the website :) Thanks Aubrey, it'll be coming out sometime before the end of this year.
I believe it was the Buddha who wrote in the Dhammapada:
"It's going to be OFF THA HOOK!"
Awesome awesome stuff. INFP here. I loved how many analogies were being thrown around- definitely an NF conversation. Helped me understand Ni and Fe much better, and to have words to better express Fi. I especially appreciated the baking analogy. Thank you all for your time and thoughtfulness.
can't wait to see which one will win!
LMAO!!
BATTLE ROYALE!
It's so true how I just know how I feel and who I am. I hadn't realized until this video how you Fe users struggle with that. I thought most people knew themselves like we do. THis is so great to know because it will help me help my Fe user loved ones. I'll be sure to allow them that time they need to parse out their feelings. That was a great term Susan, parse. And Joyce I LOVED the baking analogy. So good! And so true!
I am an ENFP who sometimes appears more INFP, but I know I’m not. Just very,very strong Fi. I loved this video. I so relate to INFP especially how I keep Fi hidden, and the experience of people asking me to be more transparent emotionally and then being completely unable to listen or understand because it’s such a complex area for me. I end up realizing they really don’t want to know. It’s too complex and painful for them. I probably need to say, “Do you have an hour to listen to me, because if not I really don’t want to start.” And there’s the wall people experience.
I seem to be more aware of other peoples reality and what’s going on in extrovert land than most INFPs. I have to be alone to process the Fi. So that’s why I think Im ENFP.
I’ve studied type for many years, like close to 30 and this was a brilliant video. All of you are so self aware and type knowledgeable. I have some INFJs that I get along with easily, and others that so misunderstand me that it’s painful. I want to absorb the discussion you guys had. Helps me understand the crossed wires a little better. ThanksJoyce. I subscribed. Looking foreword to more insights.
Joyce that pasta/noodle example is a good analogy about how we have trouble explaining our Ni. What I've found is that manifests in us using a lot of mixed metaphors as well. My INFP wife used to laugh when I would do that or something similar and she'd say "Theeeere it is, the first non-sequitur of the day." LOL
I feel this on a spiritual level. 😂
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Oh wow, yep that whole powering down Fe is SO TRUE of my Mom. She would stay up sooo late every night to give her time to process alone. She told me she needs time alone after everyone else has gone to bed. Poor thing, I'm an Ni user too and also a night owl so I probably never gave her that time she needed when I was in college because I was usually up as well. But the older I got the more I would go off to my room when I'd go back for visits to give her her alone processing time. Definitely an INFJ thing. As an INTJ, I often wonder if this is why I am such a night owl as well. I just feel like until the world is quiet, I can't fully exercise my Ni/Te. But from midnight to the wee hours, everyone is asleep and the world is quiet and there is no chance someone's going to come knocking on my door or calling me. It's heavenly. That's when I do my best work.
Same! Oh!- just another thing that proves that I'm an INFJ. The night owl thing is completley accurate.
This was such a great video! It was almost like I was in call with all four of you. You guys really cleared up a lot for me when it comes to these two types. Susan has a way with words, I found myself relating to her all throughout this discussion!
Hi Joyce. Thanks for another deep and insightful discussion. Everyone on the panel was knowledgeable and the commentary was relatable. I love how Sean expresses how our INFP traits can show up and his sense of humor. I also enjoyed you and Susan sharing your individual INFJ experiences, and like Paul I believe INFPs and INFJs together can make a powerful team, in an NF way of course:)
Very good Paul. "this matters". Really packed a punch right to my heart. 😏
"This matters" 💛😄 Fi is great at remembering what matters - It's a fantastic cognitive function!
I'm glad I was able to sock you right in the aorta, my friend. Figuring out what is important to invest our time in is ideally what Fi provides to the world. And it's easy to see the absence of value prioritization in our modern world.
Beautiful discussion. All of you are so good at putting your emotional experience into words. Its something I really admire about NF's ❤
LOVE YOU IKRAM - You SFs are so great at leaving the most lovely compliments 😎💙
What Susan described at 51:00 regarding FE being a cloud of mixed feelings is so accurate..
So accurate
The noodle boy story was really interesting examole to give for NI, and how it kind of expects others to see the connection, and it would usually take more energy to explain it them to simply pretend that we were the ones who said something simple...
Exactly!! You get it, @cymbol73.
For me, it's really hard to distinguish which form of empathy I feel because it's so instantaneous. I see someone experiencing pain and I instantly feel their pain. Now that you mention it, there is a sense of putting myself in their shoes, as how would I feel in their shoes. But I don't think I would have ever discerned that nuance on my own. I just know it hurts to witness another's pain. And I feel like I feel it more than most people and I wonder what the hell is wrong with people. But then I do have Fe so will hurt someone obliviously so it seems like I don't have empathy. But as soon as I see they are hurting, it hits me. I did notice a difference in my INFJ mom though. It appeared to me that she experienced empathy as if she WAS the other person. She didn't just feel what they felt, she was them. That afforded her the ability to know what the other person was feeling more accurately than I am able to do. Like Susan, she would articulate your feelings for you. She was so good at that. It always used to amaze me. For me it's very amorphous. For her it was laser-focused precision on the essence of what they were feeling. I told her she was magic.
This is soo interesting. I feel there is a almost a bigget difference about how ne-si experiences empathy and how se-ni experiences empathy. It seems like you ni-se seem to be directly in the moment with the other person and try to exerience what they experience that maybe make you feel a type of way with fi or you truly absorb the vibe and emotions fo the other with fe. But it seems as if se is always truly instantaneous while ne has more of a cognitive detachment.
For me as entp it is different I noticed that actually across the ne-si fe-ti functionstack. We often from what I've noticed pick up social cues and vibes from another person, so we do notice if they are sad, engaged or whatever but it doesn't truly effect us (I do sometime cry when another person cries but It's rare that it deeply affects me). It's more so we try to form a pattern of behaviour and try to pick the socially appropiate response in the situation instead of truly emoting with another in the moment and putting us in their shoes (we may do that with si as well so when we have a relatable expierence or know another with a relatable expierence we might share that tho).
Another thing that I have noticed is that intj are extremely good at pin pointing emotional issues and I truly appreciate that. It may not be the right social timing (in class or at social gathering) but for example they then sometimes bluntly told me that a I may have a life crisis or self esteem issues. So something obviously very general. But it truly selps ne-fe in my opinion because we have a hard time truly narrowing down those issues so ni-fi can truly help in a way.
What I noticed with nfps is that they often explain their own emotional expirence to sort through Emotion and for si-fi to help ne-fe you kind of have to align in your si otherwise it's not that applicable to us :D.
So I do think that our percieving functions play a much larger part in empathy as we tend to give them credit for. I also related to both parts in this video as in reading the room the same as Joyce did with Sean for example but also the conceptialization of empathy Paul and Sean seem to be expeirencing.
That was quite an interesting Panel :D Loved Paul, Sean and Susan alongside Joyce. Feels like a nice group of friends :D I relate heavily to Fe being a literal autopilot for me even if I don't really want to engage with anyone :') It feels like I can never really be myself if there's another person with me. About identity, I think unlike Fi doms' concrete yet flexible Fi Identity and values, Ni Doms also have a unique identity, but a conceptual one. We have a general concept of who we are, but it's an idea, a foggy landscape, a hazy vision of the future. It gets clearer as time goes and as we learn more about ourselves and the world, but it's there. Being forced to focus on many things at once is *not* My forte, in fact it drains me quickly :'D all in all a very nice time, thanks to all of you!
I am also going to say that I haven't another video that has made me so appreciative of Fi. I have always been very critical of Fi hero so thanks to our two INFJs for allowing me to see the value of this function😊
Wonderful! I'm happy this video helped you appreciate Fi more :D It's a fantastic function that's willing to go against the group to do what is right. Fi is great.
@@JoyceMeng22 Agreed!
So ready for this! Drinks and snacks at the ready.
Yess. Bring on the snacks. Hope you enjoy it!! :)
Paul is so good with gestures and responding like when talking he nods and responds I feel like it would be nice to talk to him I’d feel like I’m being understood and I’m not rambling. I’d feel heard and understood and welcomed to go on and I have his attention and that’s pretty nice :) very comforting. I’m an INFJ and I’m so rigid and calm my infj intense stare can scare people sometimes! lol so seeing how comforting it is inspired me to start working on giving more feedback. I usually help people realize they’re understood with my words. But the gestures it’s easier to notice and help people feel more at ease. I’m rambling but these are my humble realizations lol.
But this was a pretty great video! So many things are now more clear to me especially with the Fi, I feel like yes I have judged it as a selfish function in the past.
I would definitely listen to you with the utmost attention, even when you're NOT flattering me. ☺
@@PaulWBruce haha 😆 it was an honest observation. Not everyone does that so it caught my attention 😊
Lovely video! Paul's insights are amazing -- very eloquently spoken. Sean and Susan were also interesting to watch :)
true, INFJs don't like to be misunderstood
I'm an INFP, and I think INFJs are more serious and willing to conform than INFPs.
I totally agree with Susan that our tertiary function is more powerful. I sometimes do feel like a feeler because I have such strong Fi. And I feel that it's pretty well developed and controlled too. That may be because I think it's masculine though. But I don't know if I'm a jumper because my Te is pretty well-developed too. But Te is feminine.
I agree. I feel like it must be possible to be relatively balanced as double deciders, only a slight preference one way or the other for T or F, which may not be obvious till there is some serious conflict to make a call on. (especially if very deeply into your first observer function)
Another thing to mention is that I remember when I was younger, I was SHOCKED when Fe users like my Mom took my intense emotional expression in stride. It was SO INTENSE and I was really afraid to let it out for fear of hurting them. But I would let it come out a little and then they were like, "oh, is that all". It really shocks me because I would never allow my feelings to be expressed fully in their full magnitude. it would really hurt me if that intensity came at me. I remember as a kid, I was in awe of how Marsha Brady from the Brady Bunch was so expressive with her emotions. I was so mesmerized by that. I remember thinking to myself, "Omg how does she DO that?! I would never be able to do that!" So I am impressed that you Fe users are able to take it. I still have been told too many times that I'm "too intense" so I will always be apprehensive and protective about sharing emotions and vulnerabilities but I think that may happen more with Sensor Fe users and not the Ni/Fe users. Still trying to suss that out. I do want to warn folks though that I'm not sure ESFJs and ISFJs can handle our intensity so well. It's been my experience that they do pretty well but they don't really understand quite to the same depth as an Ni/Fe user.
Yes, I agree with Sean. Sean reminds me of the kind of INFP I am.
Weird... I’m an ENFP but I relate equally strongly to how the boys were describing their Fi empathy (by being triggered by a past emotion that made them feel a similar way), AND Susan’s description of her Fe empathy (seeing someone express a certain emotion and immediately feeling that emotion as well). I’ll be watching a movie or see someone who’s sad about something that I know I have never experienced before, but I can feel the pain. And I’m honestly not sure which one I do more. Do other ENFPs relate???
Yeah, this all gets really complicated. If I explain it as reaching back to find a similar emotion, that was only an afterthought, and not necessarily an accurate one. Empathy in NFPs type tends to be thought of as consciously saying "I've had this experience before, and I felt this way, so they must feel this way!", but that also ignores the power of Ne to conjure up mental simulations. Using Ne to empathize feels like beaming your mind into either the situation or the mind of another, and then experiencing those emotions.
Frankly, if you're ENFP and relying on Ne without accessing Si (while INFPs can access both relatively equally), your ability to experience empathy in novel sources may be stronger than an INFP.
Any other thoughts on your experience with empathy and sympathy? I'm just spitballing here, but this topic gets particularly complicated.
I am an INFP and feel it in a similar way.
Great and deep Video, a good opportunity to learn. I'd love to see Paul again.
Thank you, Samuel!! You will see more of Paul :) Either on Type Talks or on Dynamic Archetypes when it comes out
Flattered, Samuel. Confused, shocked, but still flattered. Oh, the Fi complexity!
I'm an infp 6w7 and I never fully related to common infp stereotypes (i care about what ppl think about me, i mimic people's behavior subconsciously, i suppress my intuition to be more practical/useful, etc.), I didn't know why until i learned about enneagram typology- then it all made sense.
I've never mistyped as an infj, i've only mistyped as an intp. But upon researching Infjs, i can see how from the outside looking in, someone could type me as an infj. But i know myself and ik i use Fi>Fe and Ne>Ni lol.
I learned a lot about Fi and Fe! I understand everything you say about Fe and relate to everything you say about Fi! -INFP
As someone that constantly typed as an INFJ, I would like to point that Susan is the INFJ women that I most recognized myself from the entire RUclips. Very interesting
Nice! I relate to Susan a lot too. 🙂
Infp here, it feels like to me we all (humanity) seem a bit afraid of sharing our souls. I realize that some do share more than others. It just feels like we are afraid that we all might be the same on a soul level? Same desires might be more accurate. Loved the conversation! ✌
Happy you liked the conversation, @Billy Mullings! Fi and its fascination with souls - y'all are amazing.
Just wanted to say these panels are so helpful Joyce! It is awesome to see different types interacting in real time. I feel like it captures typology in a different way compared to other youtube channels / articles where it tends to be just one or two people talking about the cognitive functions...
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Joyce the difference you pointed out between Ni & Ne in reference to “Asta/Pasta”/“Noodle boy” was a perrrrfect description of the differences in humour. And also one of me favourite things about Ni users. The deeper connections they make and the fact that they force me to take a second to actually think about the jokes/comments they make is utterly delightful. I think it has an incredibly stimulating affect on my main Ne function that’s often searching for novel ways of looking at things.
Paul Bruce ~ “Hi nice to meet you. Show me your soul please?” 😁
But then when they say "I'll show you mine if you show me yours", I have to be sure that they and I are still talking about the same thing.
I don't know for me I usually cry unexpectedly. I don't actively choose to feel it, those feelings just tend to come up when I happen to listen to certain kinds of music or watch certain kinds of movies. - INFP.
good discussion and all likeable personalities.. :) Thanks for sharing.
Our pleasure! Thanks for watching, @H Rose!! 🙂
@@JoyceMeng22seems that INFJ and INFP get along easier
I felt unsure if I was INFP or INFJ, but now it really does seem to click that I am an Fi-Ne-Si-Te user. This was a pretty interesting discussion, thank you for this. I do agree with me as an INFP I tend to have a memory for my past feelings and they are usually tied to past events which links to my tertiary Si. this might explain why I may feel myself tear up if I hear a familiar song that made me feel that way before.
I think common to both INFPs and INFJs is that we tend to put our truest selves inside a tall castle within our hearts except for rare occasions and people perhaps
“Our little value bucket” lol 😂 I love that
Can't wait: the showdown 😈
LOL ITS A COMPARE AND CONTRAST NOT A SHOWDOWN
Spolier, Dan: It was a TIE! That's the NF way...
Greeting to Sean, his subscriber ( See kind of simularity in him, me infp-t, ennegram 4 -99%( witch wing, dont know because next in must is 7 ennegram 86% and 5 ennegram 85%
4w5
What Susan said about not trusting her emotions to be right, I feel the same way with my associations.
Thats why I allways need an external source, a patern I can play around with,
wich makes my intuition extroverted.
I think you could extend this analogy to Tx and concepts and Sx and ? (maybe procedures?)
Awesome content here Joyce. Thank you for being an amazing host. Fantastic guests.
Glad you enjoyed it! 😊 Thank you for watching the channel,
Jasmine.
It just doesn't make sense to associate introverted functions with memory. If an extroverted sensing Dom is looking at the keys on the counter, observing the qualities of reality, and he the closes his eyes and tries to remember what the keys looked like he's accessing his extroverted sensing memory. Same with an extroverted intuition Dom remembering as he falls asleep at night the patterns and potentials he observed throughoit out the day.
Great video! I learned so much more about Fe. Thank you!
Yea, I have to ask people how they interpret my external feelings. ~infj A
That tension that is the pull of my Ni, like that river flowing downstream analogy Paul described was a great analogy. It aligns nicely with the work of Esther and Jerry Hicks and Abraham when they talk about going down stream as your natural state of your energy flow. The way I usually describe it to people is there is a tension that builds as I am using Te/Se, which is the pull of my natural Ni, and the longer I am out of that Ni state and being forced to stay in my Te or Se state, then I will start to feel more and more resistance, like a rubber band stretching more and more taught. Eventually the tension of the rubber band will be too great to resist and will snap back and I'll surrender back into my Ni. Ahhhhhhhhhh....relieved to be back in my happy place until the next call to Te/Se.
I love that rubber band analogy!!! When some claim they are magical creatures with equal proportions of introversion and extroversion, it's helpful to think of that rubber band. Where is one most comfortable? Where do they feel the least tension when straying away from it?
@@PaulWBruce Exactly!
The Ungame! Gosh, my wife and I used to love bringing that out with folks! She's ISFJ and me INFJ...we could "play" it for hours 😊
Haha nice to hear, Shaun!! :) Paul bought the Ungame yesterday and we are going to play this week. I can't wait
Hehe...awesome 😊
Oh, FYI, I have a website shaunbeswarick.com
I'm a Nutritionist and love to blog...:)
46 and around, oh yes! So true Joyce!
But I don't like when I'm misunderstood and I'm treated wrong for that reason, I don't have the need to be understood but If you don't understand me let me be
Yes! My INFP friend Cristian told me he doesn't like it when he's misunderstood by others and mistreated because of that. He wants to be understood so he can be left alone.
Yeah, I get that. It's complicated. Even though Sean and I somewhat jokingly said we liked being mysterious and misunderstood, I think a large part of that is that we prefer others not to assert that we are something we are not. And sometimes feeling like we are misunderstood helps us find comfort in feeling that we are alien, that we are so different.
Yea it reminds me of that quote about pecking a different chicken to death if most people don't understand you it seems like they want to harm you.
We don't get it because these particular personality types accept people for who they are you can notice someone is different and still show respect. But it could possibly be because they take our actions like not talking or being alone as being snobby or think we are to cool for school or something lol.
Interesting how Susan explained her empathy for the characters in films. I think I do the same thing as well but I am an INFP so I don't know.
Oh Wooooww, that is so interesting! I never noticed it before but now that you mentioned it, everyone I know who is a vegan is an Ni user. Actually, the 2 that I know best are fellow INTJs. Both of them have been vegan or vegetarian for like 2 decades. I had a close friend in grad school who was a super strong vegan as well but for the life of me I can't decide what her type was. I suspect she was an INFJ or INFP but now I'm leaning toward INFP because of the FI. So, do you ever see vegan Fe users?
Good question! So imo, vegans can be any type! But I notice a trend between Fi anywhere in the function stack and veganism :)
I've known vegans who were Fe users. Veganism can be motivated for many reasons, and through many functions. Fi can reasonably be considered the most likely motivation for veganism because veganism is not popular, and the individual value system of Fi can easily lead someone to go against convention for the sake of morality.
But the first vegan friend I made was INFJ. So it's not a clear correlation...
We have two cute INFPs here.
See Sean, it isn't just me
Yeah yeah Meredith 🙄🤗
Agreed 💜
@@INFPHD I can feel your embarrassment from all the way over here. Sorry dude, I just saw this post and had to laugh
That's sweet, but I think you're a little confused. Sean is INFP, but Joyce and Susan are INFJs. ;)
The issue with being misunderstood, once I realized they meant being fundamentally misunderstood and not just the frustration of miscommunication ("I'm trying to tell you something in Greek and it turns out you only speak Tagalog"), was really enlightening for me. (Unless I fundamentally misunderstood that idea LOL)
In regard to 56:35 Is knowing very well what one wants / where one is going the same thing as who one is?
Do the INFJs who see this message know very well what they want and where they are going or also not?
no one? any one?
I relate to the noodle boy story, It is painful to be misunderstood.
41.00 YESSSS! And I see Joyce got something coming here too! :D
I think at the end of the day people seem to forget that two different types can result in people with almost identical personalities, or at the very least a lot of similarities. How we get there may be different, but the end result is the same. I think the term "Personality Type" really undermines the respect that Jungian psychology deserves.
The cognitive functions are about how we perceive the world and interact with it. It's fair to say that we can make educated guesses based on the functions one uses, but no absolutes can really exist as far as what most would consider someone's personality. Videos like the ones you do Joyce are so important. It's important to see different types interacting and putting words to how they experience the world.
It does make me sad how confused it must make many who are new to type theory. I know it confused me and added to what was already a very confusing ordeal when it came to my type. To be fair though, type theory is never not going to be confusing... Because it involves trying to decipher our brains, and what is more confusing than that?
My best friend is an INFJ, that noodle boy story is very like him. Sometimes all I can do is shake my head.
My favorites! 😉
💗💗💗 Mike :D
Paul is more emotionally complex than Sean. This has nothing to do with OPS/MBTI. Does it?
Also, does he have meditation/monk background? Won't be surprised.
I can appreciate what you're saying about emotional complexity, but I'm wondering where that could come from. I don't think it's really a difference in complexity as much as a difference in focus on that complexity. Because you know OPS, we can get NERDY!
I see Sean's Fi as feminine, mine as masculine. He is more SENSITIVE to his feelings, I'm more FORCEFUL upon my feelings. So I spend more time trying to analyze and structure my emotions, like building a castle of sand, whereas he spends more time simply being with and enjoying his emotions, like they're a river current that can move him.
And I also suspect (pretty strongly) that my Si is masculine, whereas his is feminine. That would explain why I am a little more solid with my expression of emotions, whereas his is more fluid, and more observant and sensitive to his memories, honouring them without forcing them into some sort of state of being. But that's not a difference in emotional complexity, but merely a difference in our approach to and conveyance of our emotions. I can explain them, but he can use them and act with them, which is harder for me.
And Sean actually has a successful RUclips channel, able to produce a structure upon which he may share his views, because of his Te. And he has gone out and collected many experiences in his life and can make connections to things I would never dream of. I watch his videos, and am just amazed with how they flow so comfortably. I really admire him, because he, while being INFP, is someone who seems to see and live in the other part of the world I never could.
I really suspect Sean is F-Fi, M-Ne, F-Si, M-Te, while I'm M-Fi, F-Ne, M-Si, F-Te. Do you think this explains anything? Would love to hear more of your thoughts.
I do try and meditate every day. And I like reading philosophy and spirituality. But I'm actually from a Christian background, though I love exploring faith more generally now.
What makes you suspect the meditation and monk background?
@@PaulWBruce Thank you for the thoughtful reply. I find what mbti, OPS or enneagram can't capture yet are discerning aspects of us. As for emotional complexity, perhaps I should have referred to "inner-tension" or something similar. That's what I felt your presence was conveying to me and I felt It's much less present in other 3 participants here. Of course, they too exhibit interesting aspects of themselves but I would not go into it here.
As for the meditation aspect, I don't really know why. There is a some kind of seeking quality to your voice. Yes, perhaps a seeker. Less settled. Still searching.
Good Luck to your journey.
@@rainydaycommenter8537 Wow. Thank you for THAT thoughtful reply. Sorry if I misunderstood what you were getting at. I've noticed that I've got a decent amount of... I want to say "small traumas" in my upbringing that taught me to distrust my emotional state. That's likely why I did not see my Fi for so long. So it's definitely been a journey finding comfort in my emotions. There is still so much analysis, skepticism, self-disgust. So I've been on both sides, and now, thanks to understanding my type, and having a friend like Joyce to guide me, I've been able to understand how I function, and come to peace with it.
Your noticing the challenge and conflict within me speaks volumes to your abilities of perception. I am honoured to be a recipient of your wisdom. Thank you for helping me put language to that.
Hi Joyce, how can I reach you directly about typing services?
Good question! You can email me at joycemeng22@gmail.com :)
Good choice. She is FANTASTIC.
Paul Bruce thankyou Bruce for that. I’ve seen her in action😉
Great question :) I also want to get your advice as to typing. Can I email you also?
@@michellebrewerton8308 Sure!! Go ahead :)
Probably slightly off topic (sort of!)...I think I inadvertantly worked out how to confirm type by playing Cluedo. I've played this many times with an ENFP, INFP, ISFJ, ENTP and one ISTJ (and I'm an INFJ). Now what I have noticed is that this game requires a couple of main skills: collatiing information from multiple sources and also once gathered, this information needs to be systematically organised and interpreted. I have to say, I am TERRIBLE at this game! The amount of effort it takes gets me to a point where I just enjoy watching everyone else play and that is satisfying - very often I don't even fill out much of my score sheet and everyone wonders what I was doing for the last couple of hours :) Anyway, my youngest daughter (17) is an ENFP and is so good at Cluedo! I believe people with extroverted intuition are going to be great at this game: she literally takes in everyone's moves and decisions effortlessly and has won the game many times. As an addition to that, her friend who is also ENFP played with us a few weeks ago. She's never even heard of Cluedo and I very accurately predicted that she would be great at it -she was and got close to winning - at times she didn't even seem to be concentrating! Ok, so those with good introverted thinking seem good at it too. The ENTP draws up his own chart and takes note of EVERY single player's choices...he won the last game. Of course, he also has Ne so its win win for him! The ISFJ struggled just like I did - the only difference was that she enjoyed playing more and wanted to do her best. The ISTJ: he has won the game twice and only played it three times. I think those with Te may be at an advantage in the game too because they are able to systemise everything and set it in order....lastly, the INFP is good at it too and again, Ne is in play.....gosh, sorry Joyce, long post but I've found this quite thrilling :)
yes for me also if someone cant show me who they are i find it hard to trust them. probably why i like this because it feels real to me.
oh I loved this so much!
💜💜 I'm glad you love it!
Came back here for Paul 🙈
Been crushing on him for years 🙈
Looking forward to watching this.
Hope you enjoy, Tanner! :)
So why do you think INFPs don't show facially what they feel on the inside?
I feel like it depends on where the Fi is. If the Fi is in the second slot, like an ENFP or ESFP, they might appear more expressive than an Fi user with Fi in their first slot might be. This is because having Fi as a tool (2nd function) can make things easier than having it as a dominant function, if that makes sense.
Because we want to protect our emotions by controlling our emotional reaction
@@leylaserbest1078 Is that a constant? As in, always in the introverted feeling? And that is why it is draining? Since anything introverted can't be seen unless it's communicated somehow. So is it a constant controlling of the emotions for the outside world?
@@matilda4406 It is not a constant.. but it is definetly necessary in the day-to-day life. Not everything can allign with your Fi, and when it doesn't, I personally connect with people by using my Ne.. but rather in a detached and non- emotional manner.
The thing with that is that the lack of my Fi gets draining after a while, and when that happens, I usually need my alone time with my Fi.
You could say we "put on a facade" to kind of function in the outside world without seeming like a total misfit... which kind of goes against the Fi authenticity.
But when I'm personally around people who share the same values and interests as me, I am 100% myself and I don't get drained by putting on a show.
I think the INFJ feeling processing procedure is made around 70% of 'omg idk... Is that crazy'
What enneagram is Sean? XNFP here, can relate a lot to him
Hi Alexandra! - 4w5
INFP'S are cool on the outside very detached until you get to know them and they share their emotions and convictions when they trust you INFJ'S are so introverted and private very hard to get to know but when you get to know them they are warm and deep .
Both INFJ' and INFP are private INFP'S can feel more emotions than what they share with the world so they seem to be detached INFJ'S quiet strength is felt by others they get frustrated of what is inside them is so rarely fully tapped
So I once had an argument with a guy about wether or not knowledge of the self could be best determined by the opinions of others or through self reflection. I (INFP) was absolute that only through self reflection could one truly know ones self and my friend was adamant that other people can see you better than you can see yourself since we all to some sense lie to our selves etc. Then this other guy just walked up to the table and for no reason joined the conversation and agreed with me and proceeded to spout the most self delusional BS I've ever heard..... so.... I'm calling that argument a draw.
INTP here.
Somebody please do an INTP vs INFJ video. They are the 2 most commonly mistyped of MBTI and especially with each other.
Just one VS video. Please! No more INTP x INFJ videos.
Here's what I want to know.:
What do each expect from people in regards to each of the 8 functions?
Hiw do they each describe or understand the 8 functions?
How do each take care of themselves physically and mentally?
What do they each look for in life? Why?
What do they not understand about each other?
How do they each deal with people?
How do they each deal with society?
How do they each plan differently?
Why do they each believe they get mistyped so often?
Voice Tone is huge for me i can tell so much from it..
What a great session! The more I dive into typing the more of a mystery it becomes. I can relate with both Fi and Fe. I have friends that (seem to be Fi users) and they have a fortress around their emotions and feelings. I have related to the depth of Fi but not in how they conceal. I think I share pretty freely and like to explore my feelings on subjects with others and when I do, I think it comes out as "I feel this way and what are your thoughts" I really enjoy sharing and having an ear. Which leads me to think that may be Fe?? Though the Fe users I've seen in the Objective Personality community look so different than me! How do you narrow this down??
Thank you, Austin! :) Yes, there's a lot of overlap between the feeling functions which can make them difficult to differentiate from each other.
I actually have a typing service if you need help differentiating between Fe and Fi in yourself. If you are interested you can email me at joycemeng22@gmail.com!
@@JoyceMeng22 I would certainly consider it! I appreciate your ability to guide interviews/conversations about very nuanced information and bring understanding. Thank you!
INTP here. Nobody understands me. They say talking to me is like talking to a post,lol. I was typed over 20 yrs ago. You guys are talking refinements I don't know about. My husband tells me to shut up a lot - I don't talk much.
That doesn't sound like a nice, loving husband to me.. Hard to say through text what and how I mean this, but "you deserve the best", without the clichës and such.
I’m sorry to hear you being treated like this by your husband. If you are a Christian just pray for him, otherwise get to know Jesus as your savior he loves you and died for your sins..you can never bore him! He wants to be our best friend he created you just the way you are and unique! I’m an Infp girl and my fiancé I think too or he might be Intp like you not sure. Much love 💕💕
Wish you the best, and honor yourself, please