Sorry for being late with this video but it's been a busy start of 2018! Glad nobody was hurt and everyone deboarded safely from Westjet. Sunwing was empty inside.
VASAviation - If WestJet had taken the outer lane to B12 instead of the inner lane, this might we'll have been avoided. I'm glad cars in parking lots don't do this.
My friend’s daughter and her boyfriend were on this flight. Went down the slides. Said it was quite scary and chaotic. I am glad she didn’t have her 2 young children with her. It was extremely cold outside then too. My teen daughter had just left for Mexico a few days before with friends, and I told her to always dress for the cool climate leaving and returning and change at the destination. Be prepared just in case you ever end up outside in the cold unexpectedly. She thought I was over reacting. The first thing she said after hearing about this was she didnt expect me to proven right so soon after the lecture. 😉
The "best" mayday I heard was the one called by an aircraft on KJFK ground for another aircraft at the stand that caught fire (during refueling, I think). "Mayday, mayday, mayday. Speedbird 11J, there's an airbus on the terminal, abeam WA, with a fire underneath the engine." But the best part: As it was a british airways flight, the pilot showed what being british is all about and said "Speedbird 11J interrupting" first and only passed the above message after ground told him to go ahead :D
Awesome coverage! That was my company at 3:30, LOF4330, that begged to get out of that mess. Then he texted us he was trapped in the midst of this emergency. Flight nearly canceled due to crew duty limitations.
This is why at airports they have strict rules. I used to work a ground crew for UPS at Portland. We did everything by the book, but incidents and accidents do happen. We had a bright yellow line separating the taxiway and our work area. During the Christmas rush some new guys accidentally drove over the yellow line. Tower immediately called our company to tell them they they would fined. Those new guys were fired immediately, even though there were jets around at all. Another time we had a young woman who did the paperwork for all jets arriving. One morning she wasn't paying attention and walked in front of a jet taxiing in to unload. Luckily the ground crew immediately ordered the jet to stop (crossed batons) and the young woman didn't get sucked into the engine but fell down. She was immediately fired. She was lucky to be alive! Another time at Christmas a crew was deicing a jet. The guide had positioned himself under the wing. You can probably see where this is going. The guide started getting sprayed with the solution, but instead of crossing the batons to order the truck to stop he just tried to protect himself from the solution. The truck moved forward and the basket hit the wing. The plane was out of service for 3 days before the FAA got there to inspect the plane. But this was Christmas so UPS had to rent a 747 from Evergreen Aviation at a cost of $1,000,000. Everyone on the deicing crew was fired. I worked at the airport for 3 years and this was all the incidents we had in that time. Normally everything worked so smoothly because everyone knew it was a dangerous job and caution and working together was absolutely necessary. Personally I hated most of the people I worked with, but on the ramp we were totally professional.
@@Heatherder I work for a company that has a similar 'zero defect attitude'. They think it's a good way to keep up high standards, but in practice even the best employees will end up making mistakes after years of service. It's really a way of keeping wages down and not having to reward loyalty.
After watching this video, i was curious to see if i could find more footage of this incident. I did find some footage filmed from inside the cabin, and oh man it was sheer panic, people screaming, children crying, crew trying to calm everybody down not raising their voices telling people to remain seated. Then the captain informed the crew to deplane the aircraft and the first thing the passangers do is to reach for their luggage......
It's sad, but that's how the human brain works. At our core, we're still animals, and to animals fire = death. So people immediately try to gather what they have of their life together so they can take it with them. Very few people can assess the reality of the situation, and realise it's unlikely that they're all about to die because the fire isn't that large. Panic spreads in a crowd too. So on a plane full of people, it really could've only taken 1 or 2 people to start the panic.
@Rory, no man, most of them reached for their luggage. The passengers were urged to leave their belongings behind by the crew and disembark the aircraft. You're right that the temperature in Toronto was cold and the passengers were still in their flip-flops when they disembarked.
When I'm stressed for the things I can screw up at work, It's nice to think that I won't ever screw up as big as this "push-a-plane-into-another" truck operator did.
Thanks for the video. One minute everything is fine, next 'MAYDAY, MAYDAY, MAYDAY!' Not a good day for ground control but the best time to have an emergency is on the ground. Voted!
Lmao. Tower cleared him and saying push back at discretion which means when it safe push back obviously this guy wasn't looking around properly. Then was told to wait for westjet still kept pushing back. Lol. He's done. And caused an evacution and fire in the process lol
Have you ever tried pushing back a 737, the nose of that plane is so low to the ground you can't see shit. beside, it sounded like it wasn't a regular push back, but rather the tow crew, which means they are pushing backwards with the tug. The clearly got the clearance to push, and you can't stop that thing on a dime, that call was way too late for them to stop. APN's fault for sure.
At the 1:40 mark when he switched to ground, didn't she tell him Alpha short of Romeo? I think she wanted him to wait for that air craft to push back and get off his gate. I think WestJet didn't follow the directions given to him by ground control.
The final report doesn’t imply that westjet wasn’t meant to be there. Listen at 2:05 he’s told to turn right and line up parallel immediately after the other is told to push back
Westjet was assigned gate B12 and was told to taxi Alpha and hold short Romeo. Instead they proceeded beyond Romeo and got struck by Sunwing being pushed back being from gate B12. The WestJet pilot had acknowledged the ground controller instruction and deviated.
@Steve Kingman Obviously you paid no attention to this video. WestJet was assigned gate B12 (which is the same gate Sunwing was already parked at) when they landed and they were told by the ground controller to taxi Alpha and hold short Romeo but instead they proceeded beyond Romeo and were behind the Sunwing when it was being pushed back. The WestJet pilot had acknowledged the ground controller instruction and deviated. Also there nobody inside the Sunwing as it was being towed away.
It's right there in the video if you both LOOK and LISTEN. The ground controller told WestJet to taxi Alpha and hold short Romeo and the pilot acknowledged that instruction. Go to 2:00 in the video and you can clearly see that WestJet passed Romeo rather than holding at Romeo contrary to the instruction given by the ground controller. And Romeo is R on the diagram by the way, and A is Alpha. 😝
I understand the whole thing about being the push back drivers fault but the thing is where the hell are the wing walkers. For the airline I work for is a must for 2 wing walkers to be present and we have wireless headsets to communicate between the pushback driver and the wing walkers.
According to the accident report, the company standard operating procedure did state that a minimum of 2 wing walkers should always be present, but in reality the practice at YYZ was that wing walkers would usually only be used when the plane has passengers. The report didn't actually specifically blame the tug drivers, but pointed out the lack of wing walkers plus the apron controller's lackluster instructions (simply "pushback your discretion" instead of telling them about the Westjet and telling them to wait until they've passed)... I mean, the whole point of having specific controllers is that collisions like this would never happen.
Hi guys, brilliant video as always. Your videos always put a smile on my face, thanks for putting so much effort into what you do. Keep up the good work :)
I read the Aviation Investigation A18O0002, ground collision on apron, report that someone linked below. Interesting that it says two people were in the tow vehicle, and that the fire was extinguished by the Aircraft Rescue and Fire Fighting responders, and someone was in the Sunwing jet with APU running, and this person sustained an injury when they exited the cockpit by rope through the left cockpit window.
@@xgvto5374 So you're telling me... that responsibility over multi-million-dollar machines carrying highly flammable materials and highly killable fleshies is only worth peanuts to YYZ?
Totally preventable. Unless I'm missing something. Even during mechanical ops, shouldn't there have been wingwalkers, or at least someone checking for necessary space clearance?
There were supposed to be. But the tug company had developed a habit of only using wing walkers when there were passengers on the aircraft (The Sunwing had no passengers and was being moved to be parked elsewhere at the airport.) This was out of line with regulations of the tug company itself (Swissport), Sunwing Airlines and GTAA (Greater Toronto Airport Authority) rules. The NTSB investigation also found the apron officer used non-standard phrases like "push back at your discretion." and didn't make the tug op aware of any aircraft or obstructions that could potentially cause a problem before the tug started to move. Airport rules state that aircraft under tow must use the same protocols that planes moving under their own power use.
Everyone got a telling off, the pushback guy for crashing, the controller for improper procedure, westjet for poor evacuation information and evacuation lights not coming on, swissport for no wingwalkers.
I love it when Canadians say "out"... "about".... etc... I'm not being disrespectful, it just makes me laugh. I have a lot of family in Canada so I'm not being horrible. 🇬🇧🇨🇦✌✌
1:40 Westjet instructed to taxi Alpha and hold short of Romeo... but it turned right onto Romeo and continued to taxi... I don't quite understand... was Westjet meant to be taxiing on Romeo at that time, or was there some sort of miscommunication/misunderstanding?
I work a for a security company at the airport and my colleague was one of the first on scene, before any emergency personnel arrived, and he told me that it was complete mess. Everyone was running around on the apron, plane was on fire, and mass panic, above all. I was also told that now this is an ongoing investigation and it may go to the courts for liability reasons. If anyone knows more then I do, please correct me. I personally wasn't working that day, but what he saw that day, he will never forget that day. Not everyday a plane pushes back into another plane.
In a sense, it did seem like ground pretty much hung tractor out to dry. He instructed WJ 2425 to come into the apron for B12 and yet still gave clearance for the pushback. Ground has a complete picture of the airfield and should've been able to foresee this collision. I'd say 50/50 blame between the ground and tractor for this.
And it was at the tug driver's discretion, also should have been wing walkers eyeballing traffic as it's unlikely the tug driver would have enough visibility to see the other jet coming down the lane. Obviously no ground CRM. Just back it up... what could go wrong if we don't look behind the jet?
The push back ground crew should of had 3 people on the ground (2 on both wings and one pushing). How did they not see the plane taxing as they began their walk?
I don't think that would make sense. First, the westjet cannot get much out of the way because it basically can only move forward and maybe steer a bit to the left/right. Second, they (the pilots) only have a view from the cockpit, which is ?? feet away from the wings? As soon as the cockpit of the westjet passed the other plane, their view was limited. They could not see what happened and they could not avoid the scene. Their only option was to keep going and hope the tow truck saw them on time. Unfortunately they didn't.
It's quite normal for controllers to give discretional clearance. In many cases, the flight deck crew and ground crew have better visibility of dangers in close proximity to the aircraft than the controllers in the tower. It also saves time, since a plane can begin moving the moment it's safe instead of waiting to clearance. Also, the ground controllers are more there for regulation than collision prevention.
great video as usual. just a note that the red lettering are hard to see against the black. maybe a bottom border or text box? great layout! "keep the faith people, and keep on keeping on"
I thought she told him Alpha short Romeo which he read back, but vid shows continuing on romeo to ramp causing the accident...unless the vid cut out his clearance to take Romeo to the gate?
According to the TSB report, they were stationary at the time, so steering or even getting out of the way quickly enough would have both been impossible.
Westjet was cleared into the gate - the pushback always has to wait. but clearly somebody didn't look out for traffic since he started the pushback after he got the call - cleared to push at discretion...
The Westjet? it they stopped and the sunwing kept going like they clealy were, they still would have hit the wing, and maybe nearer the avionics and slats, or even the engine. Although, the tractor, probably once given his clearance and when begginng his push, hes focusing in other things(icy apron, deciding when to turn for the centre line etc) not to mention the loud sound of both the Westjet and the sunwing's engines starting up maybe would have drowned out the sound of any radio calls.
WestJet had ROW. Tug should have been listening and watching. It seems to me that tug just pushed without checking. Even on frequency you can hear controllers telling them to stop and they didn't respond.
penguin44ca He might not of been able to see the westjet if seated on the right hand side of the tug. He was cleared to push. Not saying the push guy is 100% but not 100% to blame
Airplanes with APU fire extinguisher bottles have a switch under the cockpit so that ground agents can take it out. I don't quite know if APU was running at that time or it just caught fire for fuel remaining.
Let's see. APU in the tail burns jet fuel and has a generator and electrical components. Tail smashing.into wing rupturing fuel lines and damaging wiring.reulting.in electrical shorts igniting.fuel. I wasnt there but seems.to be a reasonable explanation.
yes. But he was not using wing walkers when he should have been. I work at YYZ and the guy who was operating truck is never allowed to work at an airport again
Oh look, a plane is backing into our path. Let's just keep going the same direction and speed to assure the crash, and hope they come to their senses before they hit.
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Sorry for being late with this video but it's been a busy start of 2018! Glad nobody was hurt and everyone deboarded safely from Westjet. Sunwing was empty inside.
VASAviation - Nice work, Victor!
Do you know if there is atc from Pegasus-Airlines-flight 8622
¡Gracias Víctor!
No reason for a sorry, happy New Year, m8!
VASAviation - If WestJet had taken the outer lane to B12 instead of the inner lane, this might we'll have been avoided. I'm glad cars in parking lots don't do this.
The passengers' dream, quick deboarding, came true.
They had to leave behind their luggage
Sanidhay Kumar after a Mexican vacation? Meh they can keep my dirty laundry, LOL I’m going home!
@@sanidhay they did not, that's the problem.
That escalated really quickly! They hit us... they're on fire, we're on fire, we're evacuating :D
I'm taking my break
I'm taking my vacation
I'm retiring
@@aguyandhiscomputer I tried that. I gotta go back.
Lol and then the controller says "There are people running around and the aircraft is on fire.." 😆
I love how everybody was cool calm and collect in that situation. Bravo to everybody involved!
@@Quizzicality well not EVERYONE....there was that one guy running the tug who had a bad day
4:34 "We think the fire is oot..." Yep, this is Canada :D
I loved hearing oot and aboot from that guy! :D
Haha 😂 Some people in England pronounce it in a similar way to that too ;)
In Australia too I've guess.
I thought he was Australian
That's not a West Coast Canadian accent, more Eastern.
That ground controller was happy af
Igor Melo I
That's Toronto Dave
@@K147-t2j *Pearson Dave
@Splashthecat Reminds a lot of Kennedy Steve who is now retired.
Happy until the fire nation attacked!
"... maybe it's good news... gate changed to B12"... Oooh the jynx is just too strong there! 😑😥
Because he is the new kennedy steve
My friend’s daughter and her boyfriend were on this flight. Went down the slides. Said it was quite scary and chaotic. I am glad she didn’t have her 2 young children with her. It was extremely cold outside then too. My teen daughter had just left for Mexico a few days before with friends, and I told her to always dress for the cool climate leaving and returning and change at the destination. Be prepared just in case you ever end up outside in the cold unexpectedly. She thought I was over reacting. The first thing she said after hearing about this was she didnt expect me to proven right so soon after the lecture. 😉
First time I heard a mayday be called when it was practically at gate
The "best" mayday I heard was the one called by an aircraft on KJFK ground for another aircraft at the stand that caught fire (during refueling, I think).
"Mayday, mayday, mayday. Speedbird 11J, there's an airbus on the terminal, abeam WA, with a fire underneath the engine."
But the best part: As it was a british airways flight, the pilot showed what being british is all about and said "Speedbird 11J interrupting" first and only passed the above message after ground told him to go ahead :D
I would think in this case mayday would serve to watch out for deplaning passengers.
ruclips.net/video/jIt6CDLrPOo/видео.html
This is why ppl need to stop immediately reaching for their carry ons
@@QemeH It even was with Kennedy Steve running Ground of all people. Video ID: jIt6CDLrPOo
Awesome coverage! That was my company at 3:30, LOF4330, that begged to get out of that mess. Then he texted us he was trapped in the midst of this emergency. Flight nearly canceled due to crew duty limitations.
This is why at airports they have strict rules. I used to work a ground crew for UPS at Portland. We did everything by the book, but incidents and accidents do happen.
We had a bright yellow line separating the taxiway and our work area. During the Christmas rush some new guys accidentally drove over the yellow line. Tower immediately called our company to tell them they they would fined. Those new guys were fired immediately, even though there were jets around at all.
Another time we had a young woman who did the paperwork for all jets arriving. One morning she wasn't paying attention and walked in front of a jet taxiing in to unload. Luckily the ground crew immediately ordered the jet to stop (crossed batons) and the young woman didn't get sucked into the engine but fell down. She was immediately fired. She was lucky to be alive!
Another time at Christmas a crew was deicing a jet. The guide had positioned himself under the wing. You can probably see where this is going. The guide started getting sprayed with the solution, but instead of crossing the batons to order the truck to stop he just tried to protect himself from the solution. The truck moved forward and the basket hit the wing. The plane was out of service for 3 days before the FAA got there to inspect the plane. But this was Christmas so UPS had to rent a 747 from Evergreen Aviation at a cost of $1,000,000. Everyone on the deicing crew was fired.
I worked at the airport for 3 years and this was all the incidents we had in that time. Normally everything worked so smoothly because everyone knew it was a dangerous job and caution and working together was absolutely necessary. Personally I hated most of the people I worked with, but on the ramp we were totally professional.
Some of these seem like firing is excessive. It adds cost to train new people, and none of these seem like mistakes that would be made twice.
@@Heatherder I work for a company that has a similar 'zero defect attitude'. They think it's a good way to keep up high standards, but in practice even the best employees will end up making mistakes after years of service. It's really a way of keeping wages down and not having to reward loyalty.
*Casually says*
“We’re on Fire.”
After watching this video, i was curious to see if i could find more footage of this incident. I did find some footage filmed from inside the cabin, and oh man it was sheer panic, people screaming, children crying, crew trying to calm everybody down not raising their voices telling people to remain seated. Then the captain informed the crew to deplane the aircraft and the first thing the passangers do is to reach for their luggage......
It's sad, but that's how the human brain works. At our core, we're still animals, and to animals fire = death. So people immediately try to gather what they have of their life together so they can take it with them. Very few people can assess the reality of the situation, and realise it's unlikely that they're all about to die because the fire isn't that large. Panic spreads in a crowd too. So on a plane full of people, it really could've only taken 1 or 2 people to start the panic.
Kratos fucken morons
Rory on a Bike no not in an emergency situation.
@Rory, no man, most of them reached for their luggage. The passengers were urged to leave their belongings behind by the crew and disembark the aircraft. You're right that the temperature in Toronto was cold and the passengers were still in their flip-flops when they disembarked.
You're onto something there Nathaniel. Their flight or fight response engaged i'm sure.
When I'm stressed for the things I can screw up at work, It's nice to think that I won't ever screw up as big as this "push-a-plane-into-another" truck operator did.
Thanks for the video. One minute everything is fine, next 'MAYDAY, MAYDAY, MAYDAY!' Not a good day for ground control but the best time to have an emergency is on the ground. Voted!
That guy doing the pushback is fired af lol
yes he was fired
Lmao. Tower cleared him and saying push back at discretion which means when it safe push back obviously this guy wasn't looking around properly. Then was told to wait for westjet still kept pushing back. Lol. He's done. And caused an evacution and fire in the process lol
What about his Wingmen(Man)?
Have you ever tried pushing back a 737, the nose of that plane is so low to the ground you can't see shit. beside, it sounded like it wasn't a regular push back, but rather the tow crew, which means they are pushing backwards with the tug. The clearly got the clearance to push, and you can't stop that thing on a dime, that call was way too late for them to stop. APN's fault for sure.
Jeez, I'm sure you guys have never made mistakes in your life... Nobody got hurt and the planes can be repaired. Big deal.
Always excellent graphics - thanks
That’s why you need wing walkers when pushing back.
Yeah man try telling Swissport that. They tow in planes like they're in Nascar too
A lot of them don’t pay attention either.
"Attention passengers due to the crash and fire on our wing, we're going to have to fly back to our departure airport and have it looked at."
1:36 that expression. I died laughing
At the 1:40 mark when he switched to ground, didn't she tell him Alpha short of Romeo? I think she wanted him to wait for that air craft to push back and get off his gate. I think WestJet didn't follow the directions given to him by ground control.
That’s what I saw and heard. Was told hold short of Romeo. Here he comes anywhoo. Hoser should take off.
The final report doesn’t imply that westjet wasn’t meant to be there.
Listen at 2:05 he’s told to turn right and line up parallel immediately after the other is told to push back
Westjet was assigned gate B12 and was told to taxi Alpha and hold short Romeo. Instead they proceeded beyond Romeo and got struck by Sunwing being pushed back being from gate B12. The WestJet pilot had acknowledged the ground controller instruction and deviated.
@Steve Kingman Obviously you paid no attention to this video. WestJet was assigned gate B12 (which is the same gate Sunwing was already parked at) when they landed and they were told by the ground controller to taxi Alpha and hold short Romeo but instead they proceeded beyond Romeo and were behind the Sunwing when it was being pushed back. The WestJet pilot had acknowledged the ground controller instruction and deviated. Also there nobody inside the Sunwing as it was being towed away.
It's right there in the video if you both LOOK and LISTEN.
The ground controller told WestJet to taxi Alpha and hold short Romeo and the pilot acknowledged that instruction.
Go to 2:00 in the video and you can clearly see that WestJet passed Romeo rather than holding at Romeo contrary to the instruction given by the ground controller. And Romeo is R on the diagram by the way, and A is Alpha. 😝
@@phillipwilloughby5013 But at 2:05 2425 is talking to apron. Could it be that the recording missed when he was turned over to apron and cleared in?
Glad da fire went oot
oat.
I understand the whole thing about being the push back drivers fault but the thing is where the hell are the wing walkers. For the airline I work for is a must for 2 wing walkers to be present and we have wireless headsets to communicate between the pushback driver and the wing walkers.
Benzhy Not every company uses them.
Depends on the company policy and its nations CAA. Mostly, depends on the company..
According to the accident report, the company standard operating procedure did state that a minimum of 2 wing walkers should always be present, but in reality the practice at YYZ was that wing walkers would usually only be used when the plane has passengers.
The report didn't actually specifically blame the tug drivers, but pointed out the lack of wing walkers plus the apron controller's lackluster instructions (simply "pushback your discretion" instead of telling them about the Westjet and telling them to wait until they've passed)... I mean, the whole point of having specific controllers is that collisions like this would never happen.
Hi guys, brilliant video as always. Your videos always put a smile on my face, thanks for putting so much effort into what you do. Keep up the good work :)
Thanks for watching! :)
Everyone was in such a good mood too.
nice animation with the livery!
Thank you!
I read the Aviation Investigation A18O0002, ground collision on apron, report that someone linked below. Interesting that it says two people were in the tow vehicle, and that the fire was extinguished by the Aircraft Rescue and Fire Fighting responders, and someone was in the Sunwing jet with APU running, and this person sustained an injury when they exited the cockpit by rope through the left cockpit window.
Well, someone's discretion sucks.
I'm guessing there's a job opening at YYZ.
gatekeeper65 lmao
Yeah, but the company that looks after most ground services at YYZ pays like crap. The CBC did an article on them a while ago.
@@xgvto5374 So you're telling me... that responsibility over multi-million-dollar machines carrying highly flammable materials and highly killable fleshies is only worth peanuts to YYZ?
@@xgvto5374 Sounds like Swissport
God bless Canada and everyone living here. 😃
Totally preventable. Unless I'm missing something. Even during mechanical ops, shouldn't there have been wingwalkers, or at least someone checking for necessary space clearance?
There should always be wing walkers.
There were supposed to be. But the tug company had developed a habit of only using wing walkers when there were passengers on the aircraft (The Sunwing had no passengers and was being moved to be parked elsewhere at the airport.) This was out of line with regulations of the tug company itself (Swissport), Sunwing Airlines and GTAA (Greater Toronto Airport Authority) rules. The NTSB investigation also found the apron officer used non-standard phrases like "push back at your discretion." and didn't make the tug op aware of any aircraft or obstructions that could potentially cause a problem before the tug started to move. Airport rules state that aircraft under tow must use the same protocols that planes moving under their own power use.
Everyone got a telling off, the pushback guy for crashing, the controller for improper procedure, westjet for poor evacuation information and evacuation lights not coming on, swissport for no wingwalkers.
So pumped, been trying to find this since the incident
Here you got! :D
Is Toronto Ground Kennedy Steve's younger brother by any chance?
Nah, he's too much of a hoser, eh?
I'm working on an audio with this guy which is hilarious. Stay tuned :D
In case he isn't Steve's brother, i'd like to hope he's Steve's reincarnation :D
VASAviation - His name is Dave! Pearson Dave now I guess LOL. I tow at YYZ, he's the best controller, absolutely hilarious.
I bet Pearson Dave watches Kennedy Steve on RUclips. It's too perfect to be a coincidence.
2:42 I like how chill the truck guy is
Wow didn't see the May day and evacuation coming! Great vid as always
most Canadian ground controller ever
I'll bring mor videos with him! :)
The fire is oot!
After watching this, whenever I think I'm having a bad day at work I will remember this tractor driver...
I love it when Canadians say "out"... "about".... etc...
I'm not being disrespectful, it just makes me laugh. I have a lot of family in Canada so I'm not being horrible. 🇬🇧🇨🇦✌✌
I was working on the ramp 2 gates over from this, cant believe it took me this long to fond this video from you lol
I landed in Toronto from Saskatoon that day. Didn't see any of the action but our flight out to Montreal was delayed a few minutes
1:40 Westjet instructed to taxi Alpha and hold short of Romeo... but it turned right onto Romeo and continued to taxi... I don't quite understand... was Westjet meant to be taxiing on Romeo at that time, or was there some sort of miscommunication/misunderstanding?
the transmission was cut out
I work a for a security company at the airport and my colleague was one of the first on scene, before any emergency personnel arrived, and he told me that it was complete mess. Everyone was running around on the apron, plane was on fire, and mass panic, above all. I was also told that now this is an ongoing investigation and it may go to the courts for liability reasons. If anyone knows more then I do, please correct me. I personally wasn't working that day, but what he saw that day, he will never forget that day. Not everyday a plane pushes back into another plane.
so westjet did the alpha but failed to hold short of romeo?
Great video! Thank you very much for your work!
Thank you for watching! :D
In a sense, it did seem like ground pretty much hung tractor out to dry. He instructed WJ 2425 to come into the apron for B12 and yet still gave clearance for the pushback. Ground has a complete picture of the airfield and should've been able to foresee this collision. I'd say 50/50 blame between the ground and tractor for this.
It is apron advisory; not an air traffic controller, and not a clearance
And it was at the tug driver's discretion, also should have been wing walkers eyeballing traffic as it's unlikely the tug driver would have enough visibility to see the other jet coming down the lane. Obviously no ground CRM. Just back it up... what could go wrong if we don't look behind the jet?
No pushback at your discretion was the call.
0:55 the cutest voice you will ever hear from YYZ. The best guy ! Dave
Yo watch yo jet bro, yo WATCH YOH JET!
Can't say I've heard many on the ground Maydays
“Need the red vehicles”.... I like that one.
YYZ GND... "Torronto Dave" was it?
Excelente trabajo como siempre VASAviation
¡Gracias!
ATC/ground requested them to stop the push-back. Also, are they blind?
how does that even... lol... glad everyone is okay
The push back ground crew should of had 3 people on the ground (2 on both wings and one pushing). How did they not see the plane taxing as they began their walk?
Well I'm willing to bet that swissport will be using wing walkers from now on!
When I worked at Pearson I rarely saw swissport using wing walkers. Hated when they used to pushback 777,767 for tow without wing walkers. Total bs
Would it have made sense if westjet stopped or was it just too late at the point of telling ATC... If only planes can honk... :P
I don't think that would make sense. First, the westjet cannot get much out of the way because it basically can only move forward and maybe steer a bit to the left/right. Second, they (the pilots) only have a view from the cockpit, which is ?? feet away from the wings? As soon as the cockpit of the westjet passed the other plane, their view was limited. They could not see what happened and they could not avoid the scene. Their only option was to keep going and hope the tow truck saw them on time. Unfortunately they didn't.
The energy of the ground controller
Ground telling them to back out "at their discretion" was that a bad call? Should they have been in control, or is this SOP?
furyofbongos but then he said stop push and they kept pushing
It's quite normal for controllers to give discretional clearance. In many cases, the flight deck crew and ground crew have better visibility of dangers in close proximity to the aircraft than the controllers in the tower. It also saves time, since a plane can begin moving the moment it's safe instead of waiting to clearance. Also, the ground controllers are more there for regulation than collision prevention.
And this is why you should always check your mirrors before pulling out of a nose-in parking spot.
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great video as usual. just a note that the red lettering are hard to see against the black. maybe a bottom border or text box? great layout!
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“Keep on keeping on” I thought that was by the band First Aid Kit?
@@Rasscasse from the 60's, same as Mr. Natural/Father Time and "keep on trucking"...
Ah ok cheers.
Btw the track by First Aid Kit is really worth a listen.
@@Rasscasse I'll check it out
how calm must you be when you say : "were on fire"
Where were the wing walkers at? They shouldn’t have even thought about pushing without wing walkers.
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Is this WestJet 2425's fault? Unless some audio was skipped they were supposed to be holding short of Romeo, not cleared to right on Romeo.
Wondering if there will be any vid about trabzon skidding accident.
Negative.
Toronto Steve?
Hey there Tractor driver, how was your day at work today?
And that is why you need to have a wing walker(s).
The back door has touched the tip.
This is why you need wing walkers to check clearance.
So... in the end, how's falt was it?
I wonder what happened to the tow guy, was he fired for such situation?
Goood! Thanx for this kind of vids!
Thank you for watching!
This is why you have wing walkers. Does anyone know if there were wingwalkers?
"The maintenance technician aboard the Sunwing aircraft exited the left cockpit window using the emergency rope and received minor injuries."
not before she tossed the maintenance books out first as policy dictates
I thought she told him Alpha short Romeo which he read back, but vid shows continuing on romeo to ramp causing the accident...unless the vid cut out his clearance to take Romeo to the gate?
When your pilot is Napoleon Dynamite.
I'm curious how passengers were ushered into the gate or some form of rescue from the cold.
I would think the Westjet crew's instinct upon seeing the Sunwing pushing back into them would be to steer hard left and/or break hard.
According to the TSB report, they were stationary at the time, so steering or even getting out of the way quickly enough would have both been impossible.
You are doing a great work 74 likes no dislike! (edit:- was westjet 2425 supposed to stop if right side is not clear?)
Westjet was cleared into the gate - the pushback always has to wait. but clearly somebody didn't look out for traffic since he started the pushback after he got the call - cleared to push at discretion...
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I know nothing about planes so this might be stupid but how could that cause a fire? The tip of 2 wings hitting each other?
Do you think tractor 540 gets fired?
Not necessarily. Depends on alot of parameters
I work at Pearson. I can confirm. The tug driver was fired and charged
Andrei Moga charged? As in paid for damages?
Andrei Moga charged with?
Probably charged with negligence
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Is empty plane parking done with a pilot on board or does ground crew take care of everything?
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They were predicting the crash nearly 5 to 10 seconds before it happened. Why didnt they brake in time?
The Westjet? it they stopped and the sunwing kept going like they clealy were, they still would have hit the wing, and maybe nearer the avionics and slats, or even the engine.
Although, the tractor, probably once given his clearance and when begginng his push, hes focusing in other things(icy apron, deciding when to turn for the centre line etc) not to mention the loud sound of both the Westjet and the sunwing's engines starting up maybe would have drowned out the sound of any radio calls.
TheRCLuc either the guy wasn't listening. Or the guy was pushing the plane back too fast
Moving aircraft has the right of way over stationary aircraft. Common sense?
WestJet had ROW. Tug should have been listening and watching. It seems to me that tug just pushed without checking. Even on frequency you can hear controllers telling them to stop and they didn't respond.
penguin44ca He might not of been able to see the westjet if seated on the right hand side of the tug. He was cleared to push. Not saying the push guy is 100% but not 100% to blame
Am i drunk or did i heard hold short on Romeo?
3rd party radio recording devices don't always pick everything up. That why the quality is bad at times when you listen back like now
I love hearing the ARFF communications.
Was that pusher sorry?
This happened in Toronto? Canada? But. . .colliding with another aircraft is _so _*_impolite!_*
Is it normal practice to push aircraft with no one on the flight deck ?
Sounded like the APU caught fire. So no one on board to put it out ?
Airplanes with APU fire extinguisher bottles have a switch under the cockpit so that ground agents can take it out. I don't quite know if APU was running at that time or it just caught fire for fuel remaining.
There would have been an engineer in the flight deck.
The report said no one was on board the Sunwing.
Planes are towed all the time with no one on board.
@@troybaxter2916 No they aren't. Any transport (big) aircraft will have an engineer on board to monitor the brakes.
What would be the ignition source? Aluminum doesn't spark. Broken light bulb?
Let's see. APU in the tail burns jet fuel and has a generator and electrical components. Tail smashing.into wing rupturing fuel lines and damaging wiring.reulting.in electrical shorts igniting.fuel. I wasnt there but seems.to be a reasonable explanation.
@@53kills Thanks
Meanwhile
Other ATC controller; wanna talk about gates IceAir?
Iceair jet: sure why not.
Wing walkers aren't doing shit nowadays. Aren't they supposed to give an X to the tug driver if there is something behind?
yes. But he was not using wing walkers when he should have been. I work at YYZ and the guy who was operating truck is never allowed to work at an airport again
Oh look, a plane is backing into our path. Let's just keep going the same direction and speed to assure the crash, and hope they come to their senses before they hit.
So what does push back at your discretion mean then lol
did you find and are you going to post anything on the incident in turkey?
Negative.
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Why diddnt the pilot just put his arm around his second in commands seat and look over his shoulder lol