Such a great summary, been tangentially aware of all of this - but you've so elegantly picked apart the pertinent facts and added your opinions... Fantastic job as usual!
Apple should have switched to AMD, as their processors are getting much faster and more power efficient than both Intel and ARM, in fact AMD's new mobile Ryzen 7 4800U CPU that draws only 15W power like Apple's ARM chips runs even slightly faster than the Core i9-9880H that I have in my MacBook Pro and also referenced in this video. Apple COULD HAVE SAVED bootcamp 😂
@UCNCwY67kmTk9gIz3GCRzZmg Hey, look up AMD's Ryzen 7 4800U specs and read its power consumption and compare it now with Apple's A12Z ARM CPU, LOL you haven't clearly done your homework.
@@jorelplay8738 I mean, the current ipad airs have good battery life. the savings on battery that apple's chips allow would keep the battery life even if they chop the battery capacity in half.
Dante Regiani Freitas i understand adjective order is different. But then that’s not a “literal” translation. A literal translation makes no adjustment for proper word order. Especially useful for singers to know which word means what in a foreign language poem. Very useful for German since their sentence order is so different as well.
@Free Speech I partially agree, but lets be honest, who actually games on a Mac??? :D Atleast I know for sure I wont be getting one, because I won't be able to get ny Windows VMs, or Bootcamp to run. And I seriously need Windows apart from MacOS.
@Free Speech yes yes intel is sandbagging and loosing mind and market share to amd for no reason whatsoever. I do agree with your scaling problem for the apple silicon but nothing is set in stone on that front
haha true xD But it's painful when it compromises on other things. Other wise, why not? Ultimately it means a lighter and more portable product, and also a less power hungry product, which is better both for your electricity bill and for the environment. I mean think of how huge in size laptops were 15 years ago!
The video quality and presentation seems more personal and equally professional at the same time. It’s hard to establish that balance. Great Video, Quinn. Keep up the good work 👍👍👍...
apple silicon chips => no more AVX, AVX2, AVX-512 instructions => no more Intel MKL or OpenBLAS => trying to use numpy (or other libraries) for any sort of linear algebra computations that are common to data science and machine learning, will be SLOW. This is one example of how apple silicon macs would actually be a massive detriment to a specific workflow I get that the move to apple silicon is great for most people who use mainstream apps to do mainstream things. It will be great for normies who use their laptops to browse the web, draft emails, write notes, and watch videos. And apple silicon macs will also benefit a few categories of pros who use apps like FCPX that will be compiled and optimized to run on apple silicon. In short, apple silicon will be better for, i dunno, 80% or more of users. But the remaining 20% of us - those who use any of the myriad Windows-only programs (Solidworks, FlexSim, a ton of engineering / simulation programs), or those who develop using any of the myriad software libraries that are designed to run on x86 (and probably won't just be magically "optimized" for arm) - this is looking to be the end of the road for macs. Hopefully I get proven wrong.
I'd like to see a 12" MacBook that is basically an iPad Pro with a permanently attached keyboard, no touch screen, and 2 USB C ports, for about $800. That is a wish, not a prediction.
Considering the cost of the 12” iPad Pro, $1400 would probably be the cheapest something like that would be. Edit: I bought one of the highest quality Ryzen 7 4700U ultrabooks available, and it was $1100 without being as nice as what you describe. Granted, it has a 1TB MVME drive and 16GB of RAM. But, I wouldn’t buy a MacBook with lower specs. It _couldn’t_ be cheaper than what I bought. And, if it could match what I bought in performance while having a better screen, I think $1600 would be reasonable.
Austin P the 12” macbook isn’t gonna be $1400 lol, it’s rumored to be $800. the 13” mbp is rumored to be $1100 these make sense because apple is saving billions of dollars since they don’t have to pay intel anymore, and with the pandemic going on they’re not gonna make it expensive
Daisy I’d like to believe that. But, AMD chips are far cheaper than Intel chips, yet companies still struggle to make good budget laptops. If it has 256GB of storage and only 4GB of RAM, that is more reasonable for $800. But, that still seems pushing it. We will see, though.
So here is what concerns me. I am a video editor. I use a Mac because all of my colleagues use Macs, and I want to make sure that everything stays compatible. I'd love to move to PC, but that is a story for another time. On the projects I am working on, we use Avid Media Composer (again, not something that can be easily be changed). When Apple dropped support for 32-bit apps in Catalina, that included Avid. It took until May this year for Avid to release an update that could run on Catalina. And it is still not as reliable as the previous versions. That transition doesn't make me feel hopeful for this transition. I'm sure the new chips will be more powerful and efficient, but what is the point if I can't use the software that I need to use? I know during the announcement, they said that the entire Adobe Creative suite was converted to run natively, but is it going to be that simple for everyone?
How difficult would it be to move to a PC after using a MacBook Pro 13 for 8 years? And which one would you recommend? Dell XPS 13? All the 2020 MacBooks seem to be having overheating issues, and I'm not sure that the new Silicon Apples will be bug free. I don't like the Touch Bar either. Thanks.
@@anneburich3913 almost all of the newer macbook pros post 2017 have overheating issues. Just try to open the bottom and look into their thermal design. Totally idiotic choice of thermal routing you won't find in other manufacturers laptops. I don't see a reason having macbook pro thinner whatsoever.
Won't. Apple has only licensed the ARM command set. They don't use ARM architecture, that is all apple. So it's hard to imagine any way nvidias purchase could impact this.
and if it does, and apple is forced, they can buy nvidia or buy ARM from Nvidia but that won't happen because qualcomm is still a company that also uses arm and both of them would eat nvidia alive
Shouldn't affect Apple or any other licensees. Nvidia would have to be careful not to be anticompetitive. Another thing is, Apple licensed ARM instruction sets, but design its own cores in-house. Apple Silicon also comprises more than just ARM cpu as it also includes other proprietary custom chips designed by Apple.
as other comments have said, Apple only uses the ARM instruction set, and their license will likely survive any sale of ARM until the license expires (if it ever does). Even assuming that Apple really screwed up those negotiations and that isn't the case, Nvidia would be dumb to go directly for Apple on licensing any time soon because Apple will sue them into oblivion for anti-competitive practices along with anything under the sun they can get to stick. it'd also send the wrong message to other non-Apple OEMs, as that'd promote anxiety about their positions with Nvidia-ARM going forward, which is never good after a sale.
I am now looking to buy a new macbook pro (last one died), I am looking at the base model 2020 13 inch. Would it be smart to wait until end this year for a better macbook in the same price range or should I just buy this one?
Really like this so much more than those onboard the hype train , I mean I’m really excited as well, but don’t want to get my hopes up way too high. Great video
As an ARM developer what benefits would on reap from developing on am ARM based computer, could I mess with my CPU (arm core) ? that would interesting , will compiling be faster etc... I just never though about what it would mean to develop for ARM on an ARM.
Only thing confusing me is that the title is that AS is not what I think, but then you proceeded to say a bunch of things already in my mind... You lied to me, Quinn. I cried
Great video! I'm really interested to having opinions on buying a 2020 Intel Macbook Pro instead of waiting for a Apple Silicon mac. I do music production, which requires quite a lot of computer power. Will Apple keep supporting Intel laptops for many years to come? Thanks
Nice video, here is some of my problem about some of your point. You complemented how apple manage to emulate x86 app using apple silicon and have pretty good performance, evidence by their benchmark score. However, emulating x86 using arm chip is not like the other way around, performance drop is always linear when emulate arm using x86 due to the simplicity nature of arm. Emulate x86, the performance drop will vary task by task, and simple benchmark won't be able to tell the difference as in terms of "raw computing performance" the drop-off is not drastic, especially when apple can optimise specially for certain benchmark. As seen by some test, the video decoding and gaming performance drop-off is much higher when using apple silicon, as expected, and if they don't do special optimisation for that it will stay that way. You also said that it is likely that using apple silicon will improve battery life and reduce heat gen. This is true, but is overrated. Apple silicon ie a12x/z still can get up to 10w when under load, and probably will be even higher if they want to have more performance in their macs, the relationship is not linear too. From 10w to 20w, it might gain only 20% more performance, then need to get to 40w for another 20%(totally make up number, but you get my point). Considering how stupid they design the mba heatsink, I think they still have ways to fuck it up. And finally, I afraid due to the swap, big game dev will finally completely drop Macs support. The future of Mac gaming is even worse now, with only mobile game to choose from. People may agrue mobile game is the future, but I am sorry in recent years I haven't seen one good single player aaa game in mobile market, all are p2p/skinn selling mobile esport titles. The scene just died with infinity Blade stop continue developing.
good performance?? I studied cpu architecture and all cpu are tested with several benchmarks and geekbench is the less acurate..google how power9 risc was tested and several benchmarks were used, apple only showed geekbench,,why do they dont show a video of an ARM prototype mac doing a real world test showing the screen ?
I have been waiting to get a macbook air 2020 for a month now and now it is finally available. Should i get it or wait for an Apple Silicon macbook? I am a college student and need the macbook for development and stuff.
Anything at this point, even a 2013 Ivy bridge thinkpad is going to be faster than a MacBook Air. Why? They failed at thermal management. I feel that this chassis is going to be used with ARM thus the no heat pipe design.
So, if I buy an iMac today what will I lose later when they launch Apple silicon based iMacs? Will I be able to run newer softwares designed for silicon macs?
Almost anyone could. All you have to do is have an App Store developer account and you could be put on the list for a dev kit. I'm on the list and the only app I've ever published was flashlight everyone builds in their first RUclips tutorial. Granted, on the list doesn't mean I'll actually get a kit before the public launch.
would you recommend a 13 inch ARM macbook pro, or a surface laptop 3. i’m a photographer and want to do some occasional video editing but nothing heavy right now. i’m more comfortable with windows but i own apple products, and i will not be maxing them out, to the max specs, more like mid tier. which would you say is the better pick ? i want to get the mac but the surface laptop has a touch screen and people say macs are not worth it. kinda need help.
@@johnedwards1968 I mean I hope Apple is smart enough to not keep raising their prices and remain a hypebeast of a tech company. Students are a great market, I'm sure they will release cheaper macs that are powerful enough too
Apoorv Sahay You got inside info? Why would they price it cheaper than it’s now? They need funds for R&D as well you know... And what I wrote above was meant for the Mac Pro considering prices for wheels, stand for the display and all... the more customisation options, the bigger the price tag!
Hey quin, random question: how many apps do you have start up when you first turn on your macs? My 2019 16” mbp gets up to 145degrees F ... even if I disable all the apps on start up, it still gets as high as 110F. Is that normal or is something wrong with my mbp? Thanks in advance
"when your customers start findinding almost as much bugs as you found yourself, you're not leading into a right place" *microsoft's windows division sweating nervously*
USB 4.0, The thunderbolt standard was basically given to the standards people for USB, So it will have the same functionality, but much more universal and much easier to implement.
I need now a macbook, but if just the processor will change and not the design, i’ll get an intel macbook air. I’m web redactor, that’s doesn’t need a big power cpu... i’m working on a ipad pro. Do you think the design will change too ?
@@lucasrem Developing on Mac is my business, I have everything from Apple. But coding cross apps compatible with x86 is my daily job. Do you understand ?
Any ideas when the new silicon mac will be released? I bought a 13 inch mac pro 2020 base model and it somehow mine feels hot after an hour into a movie on youtube. I think it will be a modest jump.
@@horsens77 Yeah funny thing is I went to apple store and even sent my macbook into the apple head quarters and they said it "NORMAL". I totally gave up and sold it for a bit lower price on craigslist. I bought it for $1199 + tax with student discount and sold it for $1100. Bullshit from apple huh
I'm curious what CPU, either AMD or Intel, the new arm CPU could be compared to. General usage, media encoding, gaming, etc. Where do you think performance will land?
it is a problems of ppl who use Apple overpriced products still. Apple able to highly tight ppl with eco system .. like on drugs, and due to there no competition in apple eco-system, company will dictate whatever it wanted to..and slaves will follow
@@valputnal9156 Italians do that hand gesture to express the fact that they are not understanding what someone is saying, not at random. Source: an Italian guy.
Great Work Quinn! I really enjoyed the video. Can you make a video on you predictions on the GPU department in this future Macs? I feel like Apple is working great with CPUs but not as much with GPUs. Do you think they will keep relying on AMD or create their own chips as well?
i went clicking through so many other youtubers who made multiple videos about the same thing, only to waffle on and not get to the point 4-5 minutes in. Your video packs a lot of info, thanks :)
I liked and subscribed because you gave straight forward deep quality content instead of forcing quirky RUclipsr personality cutscenes that often ruin the content of videos. Thank you!
i would keep my expectation low. x86 has all those instructions for a reason. ARM, by all means lightweight and suited for mobile applications that dont need all extra instruction set. It's like thinking "Oh god, look how a bike is so lightweight than a car, lets make a car out of a bike". The amount of workaround soft devs will do to fit with ARM instruction will penalize the performance.
@@demochannel6146 Don't tell that to the manufacturers like Amazon, Marvell & Ampere who are producing 200W 80-core ARM CPUs.....which compete very favorably with Intel & AMD CPUs that cost up to twice as much. Do some research on ARM in the data center.
@@johngwheeler i think you are missing the point please. Data centers, again, designed to do specific thing, much like mobile platform. Where there is instructions to shave, ARM shines. Desktop is a vast platform, where people use it in so many different ways. x86 has those extra instruction sets for a reason.
When do you guys think this tech will release with the iMac? I’m ready to buy an iMac i9 10 core Should I wait or will I be waiting until mid 21? Any info would be awesome.
Go ahead and buy one now so you can regret it later. Computers are meant to be around for a long time especially if you want to buy a high end one. The wait for 2 - 8 months is nothing compared to the 7 - 10 years you'll have it for, be patient my friend :)
Awees Mabrook Thanks for the reply! I need it now lol so I may have to just regret it later! Spoke with Apple and it may take some time for the new silicone chips
@referral madness I would wear 80s style glasses, with a matching suit, and mannerism. Lol 😂 That would be very informative, and entertaining. Not to mention, relaxing.
Do you think missing AVX(2, 512) support for Rosetta 2 is going to be a big problem? The other thing I am still wondering about is how they will deal with higher power GPUs. I don't think normal DDR4(5 in the future) memory is going to be enough. Will they go the console route and use GDDR for everything or the PC route with dedicated chips and heterogeneous memory, maybe even HBM2(e)?
So can you run Windows on it...and how slow would that emulation be? Just seems that Apple likes to keep changing cpu....680x0, PowerPC, intel.....Apple cpu. Anyone thinking maybe not buy a current Mac until the new ones come out?
They will eventually manage to migrate it the year Apple discontinues the Rosetta 2 transition layer (and won’t bother too much before that deadline). Just like last time when migrating from PowerPC to x86 (or MacOS 9.2 to MacOS X).
You clearly never heard of photoshop and illustrator on the iPad in the past 4-5 years? If someone's well prepared for the transition, it's going to be adobe.
I think Arm architecture is the future for end user products. Most end user products (excluding gaming and high performance editing) don’t need x86 overhead. Optimised Software will outperform raw spec power.
Interested to see what the response will be from Microsoft, Intel and AMD. Will they need to do anything to compete? Is Nvidia interested in making ARM SOCs for laptops or phones? Idk enough about this industry to say but it feels like there are some big shifts happening in the computing space atm and I like it.
"Is Nvidia interested in making ARM SOCs for laptops or phones?" I'd say Nvidia's entire Tegra line would suggest so. It's only been around since 2008.
cgraham6 The Surface 2 and the Nintendo Switch would say otherwise. Both use Tegra chips and both are woefully underpowered. I’m not saying Nvidia couldn’t make a chip that could rival Qualcomm and then Apple, if they had the same Ampere team but instead they specialized in the CPU, ho-ly shit Apple would have some competition. But I don’t think it’s their main focus for right now.
@@evancrazyerror Tegra isn't underpowerd by itself, it has been the most powerful mobile chipset for several years. its just that before the switch came along, their was no market for the tegra. with the switch making bank they now have an actual REASON to make a good powerful new Tegra chip. Plus, combine ARM with Nvidia's DLSS tech.... now THAT is beauty that can punch FAR abouve its weight in gaming and redering
@@thebravegallade731 dude the Tegra in the switch is shit. Nvidias arm chips are shit, that's why they're relegated to stuff like automotive sector powering shitty infotainment. They're woefully inefficient, which is why they stopped in the mobile market. Qualcomm destroyed them repeatedly. Could they reenter the market and kill it? Yes, but they'd need to prioritize. I'd love for someone to set Qualcomm's lazy ass on fire.
Snazzy labs always has completely different videos than what the rest of the RUclips computer community uploads. Very well researched. We need to get this man up to one million subscribers.
If Apple used the 4000 series Ryzen the MacBook would be perfect. Great battery, crazy performance, cheaper. They'll probably get some crazy battery because it's ARMs. But well, could get the power as well. Let's see
Apple doesn’t want to rely on another company again. AMD is soaring right now but eventually they’ll hit their roadblock and Intel will become the de facto chip manufacturer again. Then AMD will come up with something new after Intel’s done nothing for a decade, and the cycle continues. I wouldn’t be surprised if apple got into that cycle too, but they’d have themselves to blame. They wouldn’t be waiting on another company to fix themselves.
This is a bad take. The benefits of Apple Silicon are not just based on raw performance, it may perform better than intel chips do/ did, but the real purpose is Apple specific architecture that can be designed with only Apple products in mind. Think buying an off-the-rack suit then having it tailored VS. a custom made bespoke suit.
Toomany Francis it depends, if Apple can keep up with both software and hardware, we need to have it in mind that although they have a lot of money, they also have limited number of engineers. I just want them to open up a little bit for customers and give more ability to put ssds and ram but I know that they do it, still it nice to dream about world where people collaborate with each other from time to time 😉
@@gorudonu More people involved in development means more points of failure. Apple has run the numbers and has seen that they can take care of the cost of developing and maintaining the architecture as well as the software. When everything is made in house development is faster, testing is more detailed, and results are accomplished faster. If Apple "open[s] up a little bit for customers" it will make the hardware worse for the end-user. The flexibility to change the hardware on the consumer level means more complexity on the development side and thus more points of failure.
I started working/repairing Macs during the transition in the mid 2000s and everything you said was right. Desktop performance for PPC was great but laptops sucked. Apple gambled on Intel that they could be the supplier for 15 years while they spun up their own R&D to replace Intel with their massive balance sheets but the clock ran out early and bit them hard. I believe the redesigns WERE based on Intel's timeline projections but they found themselves in a corner of, "Well we can't make them THICCCCer again. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU". I can only imagine the Apple/Intel meetings and the pressure Intel had to feel from them. I also remember reading a post about an ex-Apple engineer that started re-writing the kernel for Macs back in ~2013 on an AMD chipset and 2 years in they killed *that* specific R&D project. Their whole goal was a proof-of-concept that they could boot Mac OS to ARM and they achieved a limited boot concept which Apple pivoted and ran guns....I mean...balls blazing, into their own optimized chipset. The next thing to think about it the Rosetta transition. Apple has a TON of experience with XCode getting ARM code to run on Intel, so I don't think there will be many snags along the way. Obviously you'll have your off cases, but honestly on the first go around they got it right about 99% of the time, but also many Apps already have iOS counterparts, so recompiling or just "upgrading" existing apps wont be too bad. The "first gen" chips will be an incremental improvement over what Intel has to offer AND with the benefit of running all other iOS apps as a marketing point.
great analysis man, thanks for sharing your thoughts on this, I’d figured the delays in the new smaller process intel cpus affected the macbooks as well, makes so much sense, right?
Damn quinn! You nailed this one! So far best video ever! The only von of this video was that its too short! Your vids must be longer cz they are great! I defenitly know u deserve 1M subs and dont know y u arent at 1M subs yet cz ur vids are lit! Keep up the great work!
I wonder how they’ll end up offering different CPU configuration options? Will it be akin to picking an i7 vs an i9 for your Mac or will they only offer one chip config with top performance per Mac?
Paul Mansfield “but that also made old tech get old quicker” technology moves on, if it didn’t there’d never be progress. At some point something comes along and makes something else redundant. Do you complain that horses got made redundant “early” when cars came along?
Paul Mansfield This is true, I remember in middle school a computer lab of ancient unusable Mac LC II's being replaced with shiny new eMacs, when Intel Macs were around the corner. I'm not sure if RUclips videos were ever playable on them.
remember when Transmeta Crusoe was going to be the most amazing thing since sliced bread, ARM core that could translate the x86 binaries in silicon.... and now nobody even remembers it enough to make the comparisons
I'm a fairly recent semi-convert to Apple stuff, and I can't wait to see what Apple can do with their new chips in desktops and how efficient it'll be for gaming even with JIT x86-to-ARM conversions for programs like World of Warcraft (at least until that gets an updated version for native running on Apple Silicon). I'm already in the process of trying to convert as much of my daily desktop usage from Win10 to macOS, with gaming being the biggest hurdle that keeps me on Windows as my most powerful rig's OS.
I disagree. I think even the casual MacBook Air user will see a difference. Not this year, probably not next year either, but once Apple starts fitting MacBooks with chips made specifically for them (not for the iPad), then we'll see big differences. I agree that most casual users won't notice the added performance, but I'm willing to bet there will be battery life improvements that will be visible even on the lower end laptops. And of course the heat. All three of the MacBook models suffer from some sort of overheating / throttling issues and these new chips will eventually help bring that to reasonable levels. Oh, and don't forget iOS apps on the Mac. Like, who wouldn't notice Snapchat, or a native Netflix client, on the Mac, right? 😂
@@jakubcharvat4902 If they put an x86 processor in an IPhone the average user up here would think Apple added a handwarmer option and be giddy with exitement
@@jakubcharvat4902 "I'm willing to bet there will be battery life improvements that will be visible even on the lower end laptops." Cooling the CPU instead of letting the heat spread over the internal batteries would also help. You are actually hoping that Apple would give a damn. "All three of the MacBook models suffer from some sort of overheating / throttling issues and these new chips will eventually help bring that to reasonable levels." Decent engineering could've solved those issues half a decade ago. Badly designed systems that use ARM processors and batteries have the exact same problems. Why do you think Apple will want to change tactics and all of a sudden make decent laptops while they could've done exactly that for ages?
Yes! I'm excited for things to work like you say, if they make Rosetta2 to translate not only the current Mac apps but say, .exe files without the need to use bootcamp or parallels or wine , would be great!
@@joshuagollaher9614 Isn't Rosetta already like Wine, with the difference being that it translates x86 macOS applications to arm macOS instead of translating x86 Windows applications to x86 Linux? Why couldn't they add the ability to translate x86 Windows applications to arm macOS applications?
@@abubakrakram6208 Wine actually implements all Windows APIs on Linux, there is no translation. Rosetta on the other hand translates instructions, with no other compatibility layer.
Such a great summary, been tangentially aware of all of this - but you've so elegantly picked apart the pertinent facts and added your opinions... Fantastic job as usual!
Thanks, Stuart!
Eloquent might be a more apt description than elegant
only problem i see is that he trusted the geekbench score a bit too much. geekbench really isnt a trustworthy benchmark, especially for cross platform
BootCamp might survive if Microsoft treats Windows on ARM seriously.
Aaand after seeing how it's up to the OEM according to Microsoft, there's hope.
Apple should have switched to AMD, as their processors are getting much faster and more power efficient than both Intel and ARM, in fact AMD's new mobile Ryzen 7 4800U CPU that draws only 15W power like Apple's ARM chips runs even slightly faster than the Core i9-9880H that I have in my MacBook Pro and also referenced in this video. Apple COULD HAVE SAVED bootcamp 😂
@@horizonrising7393 I Agree. Then Boot Camp will work perfectly fine :)
@UCNCwY67kmTk9gIz3GCRzZmg Hey, look up AMD's Ryzen 7 4800U specs and read its power consumption and compare it now with Apple's A12Z ARM CPU, LOL you haven't clearly done your homework.
@@horizonrising7393 what metric are you using to compare peak core performance between amd 4800u and a12? It's like apples and oranges man.
But it'll be useless, people want bootcamp for app support. Windows on ARM will have less apps than macOS
One of the most level headed RUclipsrs. Definitely my style and I’ve greatly enjoyed your stuff.
My head is not that flat, though.
@@snazzy well as flat as the earth 😉
@@snazzy LMAO, Quin never change
Good reviewer. Completely opinion based.
Snazzy Labs
Now that I noticed
It is noticeably flat 😂
Also..... We can get back a true Macbook "AIR" since it can be very light and may have a crazy battery life!✌🏻🙃
@Pervy_Sage I found that funnier than I should have.
That’s if they don’t chop the battery, to make the laptop lighter and thinner
@@jorelplay8738 I mean, the current ipad airs have good battery life. the savings on battery that apple's chips allow would keep the battery life even if they chop the battery capacity in half.
You stole my profile picture!
@@nathantaylor2026 haha😂 cheers brother🍻✌🏻
Why is everyone talking about being early? Quinn actually said some interesting stuff!
They commented too quickly to realize it!
Lol maybe!
:34 seconds in!
He always makes some great videos and not everyone will agree with his points. (:
François Piednoël is literally translated as Francis Christmasfoot.
Stijn De Bruyn well the literal translation would be Footchristmas. But i get what you mean.
@@ABarbershopBarber adjective order is different in French, he is correct
Lol that’s interesting
Dante Regiani Freitas i understand adjective order is different. But then that’s not a “literal” translation. A literal translation makes no adjustment for proper word order. Especially useful for singers to know which word means what in a foreign language poem. Very useful for German since their sentence order is so different as well.
@@ABarbershopBarber ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Thanks so much for making this video. Answered a lot of questions!
Agreed! Also remember me?
I agree he made the transition look a lot clearer and less over whelming. What kind of videos do you make?
Not problem bro🙄❤️❤️
@Free Speech I partially agree, but lets be honest, who actually games on a Mac??? :D
Atleast I know for sure I wont be getting one, because I won't be able to get ny Windows VMs, or Bootcamp to run. And I seriously need Windows apart from MacOS.
@Free Speech yes yes intel is sandbagging and loosing mind and market share to amd for no reason whatsoever. I do agree with your scaling problem for the apple silicon but nothing is set in stone on that front
"Thinner design" - Lets hope not. Obsession with thin designs is painful with Apple.
What, you don't love the butterfly keyswitches
Can't wait for people's macbooks to start bending in their bag
@@griffin8062 I accidentally bent a Macbook air of the older ones once by hauling in my bag near engineering books
Don’t worry, Jony Ive left Apple. We’re good
haha true xD But it's painful when it compromises on other things. Other wise, why not? Ultimately it means a lighter and more portable product, and also a less power hungry product, which is better both for your electricity bill and for the environment. I mean think of how huge in size laptops were 15 years ago!
I was about to sleep, it's almost 4 am
thanks Quinn
You can sleep in 13:59.
Lol its 730 pm for me
Sleep Snazzy
Where are you in the world?
@@joestorer7005 7:30 am for me now 😂
11:15 "i think a lot of people believe apple's going to come in balls blazing"
is that really the epxression? 😂
guns blazing + balls to the wall
zen usually “guns a blazing.”
It is now hahah
I tried it once, do not recommend
@@Mevi Sounds painfull, had my attention
6:33 Rene thanks you.
8:55 when it comes to Apple, some people just lose perspective or rationale
Mariachee Bandidos
Rene?
Haló, haló - René Artois!
worries
Why you need this channel, is he smart enough to help you?
@@lucasrem Well, for sure he's smarter than you. Plus, he's not on a channel he dislikes and bashing on multiple topics about him.
I don’t know what you’re talking about but I like the way you’re saying it
Great video but bit of a clickbait thumbnail? You can't really say "FINALLY HERE!!!" when it's not even here yet...
its 26 hours till the event mate 🤣🤣
@Francis Hubert 🤣
It's been available in development kits
The event is tomorrow, but yeah it shouldn't say that. Then again, it does say "it'll" in the title so it's clear it wasn't here yet.
Steven
the mini refurbished on ARM dev kits!
Why you need it now, why the Caps Lock weirdo talk???
This is what windows mobile should have been
Too bad, considering it ended in a dumpster
The video quality and presentation seems more personal and equally professional at the same time. It’s hard to establish that balance. Great Video, Quinn. Keep up the good work 👍👍👍...
Thanks dude!
Dude, you're so jazzed about this stuff that I'm starting the think that you're running on ARM. Great vid.
You should run the video at 1.75x speed !! Really jazzed. 😉. Great info! Thanks.
This aged well
apple silicon chips => no more AVX, AVX2, AVX-512 instructions => no more Intel MKL or OpenBLAS => trying to use numpy (or other libraries) for any sort of linear algebra computations that are common to data science and machine learning, will be SLOW.
This is one example of how apple silicon macs would actually be a massive detriment to a specific workflow
I get that the move to apple silicon is great for most people who use mainstream apps to do mainstream things. It will be great for normies who use their laptops to browse the web, draft emails, write notes, and watch videos. And apple silicon macs will also benefit a few categories of pros who use apps like FCPX that will be compiled and optimized to run on apple silicon. In short, apple silicon will be better for, i dunno, 80% or more of users.
But the remaining 20% of us - those who use any of the myriad Windows-only programs (Solidworks, FlexSim, a ton of engineering / simulation programs), or those who develop using any of the myriad software libraries that are designed to run on x86 (and probably won't just be magically "optimized" for arm) - this is looking to be the end of the road for macs. Hopefully I get proven wrong.
"The options are limitless" does this guy even know how Apple operates? :D
Yes, he does. That's why he's saying it.
it was sarcasm, you just don't get it because he's an apple user using ARM.
r/woosh
He does. He’s been a Mac guy since he was born.
I'd like to see a 12" MacBook that is basically an iPad Pro with a permanently attached keyboard, no touch screen, and 2 USB C ports, for about $800.
That is a wish, not a prediction.
800$ AHHAHAH 1800$
Considering the cost of the 12” iPad Pro, $1400 would probably be the cheapest something like that would be.
Edit: I bought one of the highest quality Ryzen 7 4700U ultrabooks available, and it was $1100 without being as nice as what you describe. Granted, it has a 1TB MVME drive and 16GB of RAM. But, I wouldn’t buy a MacBook with lower specs. It _couldn’t_ be cheaper than what I bought. And, if it could match what I bought in performance while having a better screen, I think $1600 would be reasonable.
Austin P the 12” macbook isn’t gonna be $1400 lol, it’s rumored to be $800. the 13” mbp is rumored to be $1100 these make sense because apple is saving billions of dollars since they don’t have to pay intel anymore, and with the pandemic going on they’re not gonna make it expensive
Ohhhh samee
Daisy
I’d like to believe that. But, AMD chips are far cheaper than Intel chips, yet companies still struggle to make good budget laptops. If it has 256GB of storage and only 4GB of RAM, that is more reasonable for $800. But, that still seems pushing it. We will see, though.
This video was hands down the most informative video I've ever seen on the new Apple Silicon. Thanks so much Quinn and team. I learnt a lot
This is the most informative video I have watched this year . Most tech channels talk about things we already know but this is different. Great work.
So here is what concerns me. I am a video editor. I use a Mac because all of my colleagues use Macs, and I want to make sure that everything stays compatible. I'd love to move to PC, but that is a story for another time. On the projects I am working on, we use Avid Media Composer (again, not something that can be easily be changed). When Apple dropped support for 32-bit apps in Catalina, that included Avid. It took until May this year for Avid to release an update that could run on Catalina. And it is still not as reliable as the previous versions. That transition doesn't make me feel hopeful for this transition. I'm sure the new chips will be more powerful and efficient, but what is the point if I can't use the software that I need to use?
I know during the announcement, they said that the entire Adobe Creative suite was converted to run natively, but is it going to be that simple for everyone?
Smaller studios will struggle for sure, expect a long wait time for more niche software.
Wouldn’t Rosetta 2 help with software like this? Genuine question, not being a smartass lol
How difficult would it be to move to a PC after using a MacBook Pro 13 for 8 years? And which one would you recommend? Dell XPS 13? All the 2020 MacBooks seem to be having overheating issues, and I'm not sure that the new Silicon Apples will be bug free. I don't like the Touch Bar either. Thanks.
@@anneburich3913 almost all of the newer macbook pros post 2017 have overheating issues. Just try to open the bottom and look into their thermal design. Totally idiotic choice of thermal routing you won't find in other manufacturers laptops. I don't see a reason having macbook pro thinner whatsoever.
Question why is there so much bad press about Apple silicon M1. I have the Apple M1 MacBook Pro. I think it’s grate so what’s the problem?
You're going to do a video about Nvidia buying ARM? I've been wondering how that's going to affect Apple (if at all)
Won't. Apple has only licensed the ARM command set. They don't use ARM architecture, that is all apple. So it's hard to imagine any way nvidias purchase could impact this.
and if it does, and apple is forced, they can buy nvidia or buy ARM from Nvidia but that won't happen because qualcomm is still a company that also uses arm and both of them would eat nvidia alive
@@johola i see, thanks for the information
Shouldn't affect Apple or any other licensees. Nvidia would have to be careful not to be anticompetitive. Another thing is, Apple licensed ARM instruction sets, but design its own cores in-house. Apple Silicon also comprises more than just ARM cpu as it also includes other proprietary custom chips designed by Apple.
as other comments have said, Apple only uses the ARM instruction set, and their license will likely survive any sale of ARM until the license expires (if it ever does). Even assuming that Apple really screwed up those negotiations and that isn't the case, Nvidia would be dumb to go directly for Apple on licensing any time soon because Apple will sue them into oblivion for anti-competitive practices along with anything under the sun they can get to stick. it'd also send the wrong message to other non-Apple OEMs, as that'd promote anxiety about their positions with Nvidia-ARM going forward, which is never good after a sale.
I am now looking to buy a new macbook pro (last one died), I am looking at the base model 2020 13 inch. Would it be smart to wait until end this year for a better macbook in the same price range or should I just buy this one?
Really like this so much more than those onboard the hype train , I mean I’m really excited as well, but don’t want to get my hopes up way too high. Great video
As an ARM developer what benefits would on reap from developing on am ARM based computer, could I mess with my CPU (arm core) ? that would interesting , will compiling be faster etc... I just never though about what it would mean to develop for ARM on an ARM.
Only thing confusing me is that the title is that AS is not what I think, but then you proceeded to say a bunch of things already in my mind... You lied to me, Quinn. I cried
Great video! I'm really interested to having opinions on buying a 2020 Intel Macbook Pro instead of waiting for a Apple Silicon mac. I do music production, which requires quite a lot of computer power. Will Apple keep supporting Intel laptops for many years to come? Thanks
Nice video, here is some of my problem about some of your point.
You complemented how apple manage to emulate x86 app using apple silicon and have pretty good performance, evidence by their benchmark score. However, emulating x86 using arm chip is not like the other way around, performance drop is always linear when emulate arm using x86 due to the simplicity nature of arm. Emulate x86, the performance drop will vary task by task, and simple benchmark won't be able to tell the difference as in terms of "raw computing performance" the drop-off is not drastic, especially when apple can optimise specially for certain benchmark. As seen by some test, the video decoding and gaming performance drop-off is much higher when using apple silicon, as expected, and if they don't do special optimisation for that it will stay that way.
You also said that it is likely that using apple silicon will improve battery life and reduce heat gen. This is true, but is overrated. Apple silicon ie a12x/z still can get up to 10w when under load, and probably will be even higher if they want to have more performance in their macs, the relationship is not linear too. From 10w to 20w, it might gain only 20% more performance, then need to get to 40w for another 20%(totally make up number, but you get my point). Considering how stupid they design the mba heatsink, I think they still have ways to fuck it up.
And finally, I afraid due to the swap, big game dev will finally completely drop Macs support. The future of Mac gaming is even worse now, with only mobile game to choose from. People may agrue mobile game is the future, but I am sorry in recent years I haven't seen one good single player aaa game in mobile market, all are p2p/skinn selling mobile esport titles. The scene just died with infinity Blade stop continue developing.
good performance?? I studied cpu architecture and all cpu are tested with several benchmarks and geekbench is the less acurate..google how power9 risc was tested and several benchmarks were used, apple only showed geekbench,,why do they dont show a video of an ARM prototype mac doing a real world test showing the screen ?
@@Teluric2 That is my first point.
I have been waiting to get a macbook air 2020 for a month now and now it is finally available.
Should i get it or wait for an Apple Silicon macbook? I am a college student and need the macbook for development and stuff.
Pretty sure that geekbench score is still higher than the macbook air.. Literally a mobile chip for phones and tablets is faster than the macbook air
intel moment
Anything at this point, even a 2013 Ivy bridge thinkpad is going to be faster than a MacBook Air. Why? They failed at thermal management. I feel that this chassis is going to be used with ARM thus the no heat pipe design.
berkelium the bad thermal management was because apple put too much hope on intel, i feel like they will do something really good with apple silicon
@@Termsofseve nah, Apple utterly b0rked the heatsink/paste/fan set up in the new Air
I'm betting Apple's gonna push the A14X to higher clocks for the MacBooks.
So do i wait for a 16 inch arm macbook pro, or just get the current one? (Using a 2015 macbook pro atm).
You're positively giddy about this transition!
I (shockingly) am!
Finally A deep dive! Thank you for a better understanding. Do you think arm should be the future of all desktops?
You always do great videos. Clearly, a lot of work and research go into them. Thanks.
Cheers!
So, if I buy an iMac today what will I lose later when they launch Apple silicon based iMacs? Will I be able to run newer softwares designed for silicon macs?
I bet iJustine, him and other Apple RUclipsrs already have Apple Silicon Macs laying around in there homes
Almost anyone could. All you have to do is have an App Store developer account and you could be put on the list for a dev kit. I'm on the list and the only app I've ever published was flashlight everyone builds in their first RUclips tutorial. Granted, on the list doesn't mean I'll actually get a kit before the public launch.
Wonderful video, but i wonder, will there be any cons by using RISC compared to x86 instructions set?
“ARM. Excuse me, Apple Silicon” 😂
would you recommend a 13 inch ARM macbook pro, or a surface laptop 3. i’m a photographer and want to do some occasional video editing but nothing heavy right now. i’m more comfortable with windows but i own apple products, and i will not be maxing them out, to the max specs, more like mid tier. which would you say is the better pick ? i want to get the mac but the surface laptop has a touch screen and people say macs are not worth it. kinda need help.
Can’t wait for a Mac which has an EMI equivalent to my house EMI 😬
apple silicon will be cheaper to manufacture you can expect cheaper macs
its gonnna be pretty cheap compared to present ones
@@astitva5002 Manufacturing cost is NOT why Macs are so pricey.
@@johnedwards1968 I mean I hope Apple is smart enough to not keep raising their prices and remain a hypebeast of a tech company. Students are a great market, I'm sure they will release cheaper macs that are powerful enough too
Apoorv Sahay You got inside info? Why would they price it cheaper than it’s now? They need funds for R&D as well you know... And what I wrote above was meant for the Mac Pro considering prices for wheels, stand for the display and all... the more customisation options, the bigger the price tag!
Hey quin, random question: how many apps do you have start up when you first turn on your macs? My 2019 16” mbp gets up to 145degrees F ... even if I disable all the apps on start up, it still gets as high as 110F. Is that normal or is something wrong with my mbp? Thanks in advance
"when your customers start findinding almost as much bugs as you found yourself, you're not leading into a right place"
*microsoft's windows division sweating nervously*
underrated comment
software vs hardware, like comparing oranges and cars
@@MrSmokinDragon Especially software that supports pretty much every single piece of hardware in existence. Windows is unique in that.
Gwen Walravens Linux 🤣
@@thebuddercweeper Linux hardly supports anything natively.
Great video and explanation as always. Who's renting the unit next to you though? Very deep bass voice in the background ;)
4:07 Italian mode: ON
🤣
Very well curated and explained. Great video. Thanks
But question: since thunderbolt 3 is Intel’s proprietary tech - what would the new MacBooks use?!
USB 4.0, The thunderbolt standard was basically given to the standards people for USB, So it will have the same functionality, but much more universal and much easier to implement.
Apple stated that the new Macs will use Thunderbolt - not sure if version 3 or 4.
There even are AMD chipset mainboards with Thunderbolt
I need now a macbook, but if just the processor will change and not the design, i’ll get an intel macbook air. I’m web redactor, that’s doesn’t need a big power cpu... i’m working on a ipad pro. Do you think the design will change too ?
Thank you for sharing!Hope everybody here becomes successful on RUclips
Linus tech tips!!!!
Fashion & lifestyle
RUclips jobs? why the weirdo channel? Fashion, makeup tips? Style?
Stay save at home, nobody will notice.....
@@lucasrem Positive vibes only! but thanks dear :)
I'd like to ask something. what software package do you use to edit your video? Is it Final Cut Pro or Premiere?
However, Rosetta doesn’t translate the following executables:
Kernel extensions
Virtual Machine apps that virtualize x86_64 computer platforms
Andreas Lassak
Why you use Rosetta II now, why you need Mac?
Windows apps?
@@lucasrem Docker, linux apps...
@@ceticobr Dude u cant run VM in Docker. OMG. Its not about apps.
@@lucasrem Developing on Mac is my business, I have everything from Apple. But coding cross apps compatible with x86 is my daily job. Do you understand ?
@@ceticobr ARM linux, useless
Any ideas when the new silicon mac will be released? I bought a 13 inch mac pro 2020 base model and it somehow mine feels hot after an hour into a movie on youtube. I think it will be a modest jump.
Me too. I think, should I return?
@@horsens77 Yeah funny thing is I went to apple store and even sent my macbook into the apple head quarters and they said it "NORMAL". I totally gave up and sold it for a bit lower price on craigslist. I bought it for $1199 + tax with student discount and sold it for $1100. Bullshit from apple huh
Watching this in 2021 is funny.
I'm curious what CPU, either AMD or Intel, the new arm CPU could be compared to. General usage, media encoding, gaming, etc. Where do you think performance will land?
Usually when apple start to be more "exclusive" we find jump in price.
That's what I'm dreading...
it is a problems of ppl who use Apple overpriced products still. Apple able to highly tight ppl with eco system .. like on drugs, and due to there no competition in apple eco-system, company will dictate whatever it wanted to..and slaves will follow
@@s.i.m.c.a Slaves? Seriously?
4:07 Italian mode: ON
@@valputnal9156 Italians do that hand gesture to express the fact that they are not understanding what someone is saying, not at random. Source: an Italian guy.
Great Work Quinn! I really enjoyed the video. Can you make a video on you predictions on the GPU department in this future Macs? I feel like Apple is working great with CPUs but not as much with GPUs. Do you think they will keep relying on AMD or create their own chips as well?
13:20 Adding this to my vocabulary
It’s a spehsul word.
i went clicking through so many other youtubers who made multiple videos about the same thing, only to waffle on and not get to the point 4-5 minutes in. Your video packs a lot of info, thanks :)
New slogan for Apple: "Intel now Outside"
I liked and subscribed because you gave straight forward deep quality content instead of forcing quirky RUclipsr personality cutscenes that often ruin the content of videos. Thank you!
rumor mill says 14" macbook pro tomorrow. Bro, you've got me all hyped up now.
i would keep my expectation low. x86 has all those instructions for a reason. ARM, by all means lightweight and suited for mobile applications that dont need all extra instruction set. It's like thinking "Oh god, look how a bike is so lightweight than a car, lets make a car out of a bike". The amount of workaround soft devs will do to fit with ARM instruction will penalize the performance.
@@demochannel6146 Don't tell that to the manufacturers like Amazon, Marvell & Ampere who are producing 200W 80-core ARM CPUs.....which compete very favorably with Intel & AMD CPUs that cost up to twice as much. Do some research on ARM in the data center.
@@johngwheeler i think you are missing the point please. Data centers, again, designed to do specific thing, much like mobile platform. Where there is instructions to shave, ARM shines. Desktop is a vast platform, where people use it in so many different ways. x86 has those extra instruction sets for a reason.
When do you guys think this tech will release with the iMac?
I’m ready to buy an iMac i9 10 core
Should I wait or will I be waiting until mid 21?
Any info would be awesome.
Go ahead and buy one now so you can regret it later. Computers are meant to be around for a long time especially if you want to buy a high end one. The wait for 2 - 8 months is nothing compared to the 7 - 10 years you'll have it for, be patient my friend :)
Awees Mabrook
Thanks for the reply! I need it now lol so I may have to just regret it later!
Spoke with Apple and it may take some time for the new silicone chips
1:10 COMPUTER CHRONICLES!!!!!
I wish it still existed.
I think I should try to bring back something like this, but on RUclips this time.
🤔
@referral madness
I would wear 80s style glasses, with a matching suit, and mannerism. Lol 😂
That would be very informative, and entertaining. Not to mention, relaxing.
Stewart Cheifet FTMFW
Do you think missing AVX(2, 512) support for Rosetta 2 is going to be a big problem?
The other thing I am still wondering about is how they will deal with higher power GPUs. I don't think normal DDR4(5 in the future) memory is going to be enough. Will they go the console route and use GDDR for everything or the PC route with dedicated chips and heterogeneous memory, maybe even HBM2(e)?
Idk about everyone else, but I’m waiting for an ARM Mac mini, the more powerful the better
So can you run Windows on it...and how slow would that emulation be?
Just seems that Apple likes to keep changing cpu....680x0, PowerPC, intel.....Apple cpu.
Anyone thinking maybe not buy a current Mac until the new ones come out?
I dont think Adobe's full suite will ever make it to arm natively...
Nah, don't think so. Too much of an hassle for no return
They will eventually manage to migrate it the year Apple discontinues the Rosetta 2 transition layer (and won’t bother too much before that deadline). Just like last time when migrating from PowerPC to x86 (or MacOS 9.2 to MacOS X).
You clearly never heard of photoshop and illustrator on the iPad in the past 4-5 years? If someone's well prepared for the transition, it's going to be adobe.
@todooeoeo do those versions have feature parity yet? Last time I checked they were miles behind...
@@Yilz19 Adobe, a public company that relies on software subscriptions, would not update their software.. get real please.
I think Arm architecture is the future for end user products. Most end user products (excluding gaming and high performance editing) don’t need x86 overhead. Optimised Software will outperform raw spec power.
Love the thumnail on this one. Oh, and it's 4pm here...
Hey Sr you make an excellent VIDEO & analysis here!
Interested to see what the response will be from Microsoft, Intel and AMD. Will they need to do anything to compete? Is Nvidia interested in making ARM SOCs for laptops or phones? Idk enough about this industry to say but it feels like there are some big shifts happening in the computing space atm and I like it.
"Is Nvidia interested in making ARM SOCs for laptops or phones?"
I'd say Nvidia's entire Tegra line would suggest so. It's only been around since 2008.
cgraham6 The Surface 2 and the Nintendo Switch would say otherwise.
Both use Tegra chips and both are woefully underpowered. I’m not saying Nvidia couldn’t make a chip that could rival Qualcomm and then Apple, if they had the same Ampere team but instead they specialized in the CPU, ho-ly shit Apple would have some competition. But I don’t think it’s their main focus for right now.
@@evancrazyerror Tegra isn't underpowerd by itself, it has been the most powerful mobile chipset for several years.
its just that before the switch came along, their was no market for the tegra.
with the switch making bank they now have an actual REASON to make a good powerful new Tegra chip.
Plus, combine ARM with Nvidia's DLSS tech.... now THAT is beauty that can punch FAR abouve its weight in gaming and redering
@@thebravegallade731 dude the Tegra in the switch is shit. Nvidias arm chips are shit, that's why they're relegated to stuff like automotive sector powering shitty infotainment. They're woefully inefficient, which is why they stopped in the mobile market. Qualcomm destroyed them repeatedly. Could they reenter the market and kill it? Yes, but they'd need to prioritize. I'd love for someone to set Qualcomm's lazy ass on fire.
Nvidia literally acquired ARM ... they will most likely make SoCs
Snazzy labs always has completely different videos than what the rest of the RUclips computer community uploads. Very well researched. We need to get this man up to one million subscribers.
Thanks man! Hopefully this year!
If Apple used the 4000 series Ryzen the MacBook would be perfect. Great battery, crazy performance, cheaper.
They'll probably get some crazy battery because it's ARMs. But well, could get the power as well. Let's see
yes, but ARM is not magic, if you push it hard for programming then it will also drain battery like crazy
Apple doesn’t want to rely on another company again.
AMD is soaring right now but eventually they’ll hit their roadblock and Intel will become the de facto chip manufacturer again. Then AMD will come up with something new after Intel’s done nothing for a decade, and the cycle continues.
I wouldn’t be surprised if apple got into that cycle too, but they’d have themselves to blame. They wouldn’t be waiting on another company to fix themselves.
This is a bad take. The benefits of Apple Silicon are not just based on raw performance, it may perform better than intel chips do/ did, but the real purpose is Apple specific architecture that can be designed with only Apple products in mind. Think buying an off-the-rack suit then having it tailored VS. a custom made bespoke suit.
Toomany Francis it depends, if Apple can keep up with both software and hardware, we need to have it in mind that although they have a lot of money, they also have limited number of engineers. I just want them to open up a little bit for customers and give more ability to put ssds and ram but I know that they do it, still it nice to dream about world where people collaborate with each other from time to time 😉
@@gorudonu More people involved in development means more points of failure. Apple has run the numbers and has seen that they can take care of the cost of developing and maintaining the architecture as well as the software. When everything is made in house development is faster, testing is more detailed, and results are accomplished faster. If Apple "open[s] up a little bit for customers" it will make the hardware worse for the end-user. The flexibility to change the hardware on the consumer level means more complexity on the development side and thus more points of failure.
I started working/repairing Macs during the transition in the mid 2000s and everything you said was right. Desktop performance for PPC was great but laptops sucked. Apple gambled on Intel that they could be the supplier for 15 years while they spun up their own R&D to replace Intel with their massive balance sheets but the clock ran out early and bit them hard. I believe the redesigns WERE based on Intel's timeline projections but they found themselves in a corner of, "Well we can't make them THICCCCer again. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU". I can only imagine the Apple/Intel meetings and the pressure Intel had to feel from them.
I also remember reading a post about an ex-Apple engineer that started re-writing the kernel for Macs back in ~2013 on an AMD chipset and 2 years in they killed *that* specific R&D project. Their whole goal was a proof-of-concept that they could boot Mac OS to ARM and they achieved a limited boot concept which Apple pivoted and ran guns....I mean...balls blazing, into their own optimized chipset.
The next thing to think about it the Rosetta transition. Apple has a TON of experience with XCode getting ARM code to run on Intel, so I don't think there will be many snags along the way. Obviously you'll have your off cases, but honestly on the first go around they got it right about 99% of the time, but also many Apps already have iOS counterparts, so recompiling or just "upgrading" existing apps wont be too bad.
The "first gen" chips will be an incremental improvement over what Intel has to offer AND with the benefit of running all other iOS apps as a marketing point.
Great comment!
You were so far off the mark on your prediction on the performance, dude.
They ended up quoating 2x cpu and 3.5x gpu jump. But he was expecting 40% jump hahah
great analysis man, thanks for sharing your thoughts on this, I’d figured the delays in the new smaller process intel cpus affected the macbooks as well, makes so much sense, right?
Did no one else notice how he said “special” at the end??
13:20
Came down to the comments to check on this exact thing.
I didn't .
You’d be surprised how difficult recording a video this long without misspeaking a single time is.
The link to learn more about silicon and binning (at least on mobile) is to Big Sur’s Secret. Which video talks about that? I’d like to watch it.
Damn quinn! You nailed this one! So far best video ever! The only von of this video was that its too short! Your vids must be longer cz they are great! I defenitly know u deserve 1M subs and dont know y u arent at 1M subs yet cz ur vids are lit! Keep up the great work!
I wonder how they’ll end up offering different CPU configuration options? Will it be akin to picking an i7 vs an i9 for your Mac or will they only offer one chip config with top performance per Mac?
The transition to Intel was largely seamless. Apple: just do the same again.
But it also caused early obsolescence of the old powermacs
Paul Mansfield “but that also made old tech get old quicker” technology moves on, if it didn’t there’d never be progress. At some point something comes along and makes something else redundant. Do you complain that horses got made redundant “early” when cars came along?
@@PaulMansfield That's how tech works, I'd be damned if it doesn't do that.
@@TARS.. people regularly boast about the longevity of their Apple products. It's a bad time to be buying an Intel Mac.
Paul Mansfield This is true, I remember in middle school a computer lab of ancient unusable Mac LC II's being replaced with shiny new eMacs, when Intel Macs were around the corner. I'm not sure if RUclips videos were ever playable on them.
Considering the cost savings for in house silicon what about dual and quad ipad chips in a laptop?
2019 performance but with a stage presentation talking about "Magic" that makes it seem better than a 64 core Threadripper.
show me where you gonna get that performance at that power usage with intel. i will wait for you.
Hey Quinn? should I buy the ARM MacBook Air when it comes out or wait for the MacBook Pro? (for a new school laptop)
For school use an air is usually fine unless you want to game or run software that uses lots of graphics
Apple : switches to AMD GPUs ditching Nvidia GPUs, switches to ARM architecture
Nvidia : Let's buy ARM.
Probably a good thing. Might be eg Arm devices can support GFX cards in the future.
@@HeadPack yeah, but still kinda funny how rivals came together.
And ARM (the company) started as a joint venture between Apple and Acorn
@@HeadPack they can now. There are ARM motherboards with PCIe 3 & 4.
remember when Transmeta Crusoe was going to be the most amazing thing since sliced bread, ARM core that could translate the x86 binaries in silicon.... and now nobody even remembers it enough to make the comparisons
Vertically integrated companies went out of business: IBM
Dude the video you say to go is not talking about binning process. Did you accidentally put the wrong link?
Anyone else hear background noise? 9:55 you can hear someone else definitely talking
Neighbors were being loud. Wasn’t much I could do. Sorry.
I'm a fairly recent semi-convert to Apple stuff, and I can't wait to see what Apple can do with their new chips in desktops and how efficient it'll be for gaming even with JIT x86-to-ARM conversions for programs like World of Warcraft (at least until that gets an updated version for native running on Apple Silicon).
I'm already in the process of trying to convert as much of my daily desktop usage from Win10 to macOS, with gaming being the biggest hurdle that keeps me on Windows as my most powerful rig's OS.
To 90% of Mac users, there won't be much of a difference.
I disagree. I think even the casual MacBook Air user will see a difference. Not this year, probably not next year either, but once Apple starts fitting MacBooks with chips made specifically for them (not for the iPad), then we'll see big differences. I agree that most casual users won't notice the added performance, but I'm willing to bet there will be battery life improvements that will be visible even on the lower end laptops. And of course the heat. All three of the MacBook models suffer from some sort of overheating / throttling issues and these new chips will eventually help bring that to reasonable levels. Oh, and don't forget iOS apps on the Mac. Like, who wouldn't notice Snapchat, or a native Netflix client, on the Mac, right? 😂
@@jakubcharvat4902 If they put an x86 processor in an IPhone the average user up here would think Apple added a handwarmer option and be giddy with exitement
I know a bunch of people that run windows
@@jakubcharvat4902 "I'm willing to bet there will be battery life improvements that will be visible even on the lower end laptops." Cooling the CPU instead of letting the heat spread over the internal batteries would also help. You are actually hoping that Apple would give a damn.
"All three of the MacBook models suffer from some sort of overheating / throttling issues and these new chips will eventually help bring that to reasonable levels."
Decent engineering could've solved those issues half a decade ago. Badly designed systems that use ARM processors and batteries have the exact same problems. Why do you think Apple will want to change tactics and all of a sudden make decent laptops while they could've done exactly that for ages?
I wouldn’t say 90%. I’d say people who don’t use power needing apps. Besides, better battery life will change everyone’s life
Already watch your videos for a while but this one finally made me subscribe to your channel!
Awesome video!
Yes! I'm excited for things to work like you say, if they make Rosetta2 to translate not only the current Mac apps but say, .exe files without the need to use bootcamp or parallels or wine , would be great!
That would be impossible without something like wine
That’s not what Rosetta does at all. You’re just fantasizing unrealistically.
@@joshuagollaher9614 Isn't Rosetta already like Wine, with the difference being that it translates x86 macOS applications to arm macOS instead of translating x86 Windows applications to x86 Linux? Why couldn't they add the ability to translate x86 Windows applications to arm macOS applications?
Rosetta translates hardware instructions. You are talking about translation/conversion on a software level. It’s a completely different thing.
@@abubakrakram6208 Wine actually implements all Windows APIs on Linux, there is no translation. Rosetta on the other hand translates instructions, with no other compatibility layer.
I really REALLY appreciate you not adding mid roll ads. Thank you. And great video btw 👍
No problem! Mid-rolls suck.
13:20 while their CPUs are "Spessil" XDDDD
Dude your video quality has just done through the roof over the last year
I hate the term "Apple SILICON" so much
@John Perez lmao
Why?
Why? It’s correct, it means silicon processors made by Apple.
Great video! Could you post the link to the chip binning video mentioned at 7.00?