Sam, thanks for this review. Took my new ACG Mountain Flys to the summit of Guanella Pass (11,900’) in snow and ice this morning (12.4 miles, only about 4 of which was on dry asphalt). Ordinarily I would have worn Salomon SnowSpikes but the Nike was a good choice whenever the snow was very hard-packed or blown thin. My feet stayed fairly warm even in deeper snow and 10 degree temperatures, but you were right about sizing up 1/2 size. Fit is a little sloppy but the carbon plate is a nice ride on the flat. Limited use product but will be a pretty good option for some winter runners on groomed roads and non-technical trails. Unfortunately it lacks any precision on trails apart from hardpacked snow. Again, thank you from the Colorado Rockies.
Thanks Troy! Good you put them to the test. My interest in them was for those groomed roads and non tech as well as sloppy wet road conditions as you also are concluding.
For people complaining about the overexposed video: you need to play it on an HDR compatible device, e.g. more likely a recent higher-end phone/tablet instead of a PC.
Thanks for the comment. When I filmed the iPhone 12 Pro was brand new just released and it didn't seem to handle low light as well as it could. It seems they have updated and now in low light things aren't as overexposed as here. Personally I didn't notice it as a big issue but some did
My experience is, that shoes with that 8-figure outer-soul-shape are inherently unstable to run in. With soft soles it gets worse and even more with a high stack.
I have my doubts about running them in highly technical terrain but the combination of plate and softer foam is very stable and the ride dynamic and very pleasing and steady(despite weight) on my test loop which is not the smoothest (forest paths with rocks and roots), fields, and pavement
Hard to take this one seriously. Think was only released on the SNKRS app and seem to sell out very quickly as by the time I looked nothing left in any size in 3 colours. I think you are the only person on RUclips intending to run in them, with all the other “reviews” more of the Hypebeast genre. Plenty of sales on StockX and available in all sizes says it all about who bought this one in the first release. Oh well !
I think different...Despite weight mainly due to GTX this is a highly run able shoe with great softer cushion clearly matched to plate. Ideal all terrain recovery run shoe on any terrain including road in winter. As is for example Xodus 10 another example of multi use.
@@RoadTrailRun I agree it looks an interesting shoe. My point is that by releasing on the SNKRS app so that then half of them appear on StockX a few days later, Nike has produced a shoe regular runners will find very difficult to acquire.
@@TimGrose Nike did quickly and “briefly” restock them in both khaki and black colorways. They were available to cop for a couple of days before being sold out. It’s pretty much a game of first come, first served scenario. Last time I checked Nike restocked all sizes in the black colorway.
Watch the video please and judge. Sadly when carbon is in the mix... May or may not work for you or be worth it but this concept car if you will is pretty darn special so far
No offence, but have you considered getting a good blogging camera like the DJI Pocket 2? Creator bundle even includes a wireless mic. I only mention this as i like watching these reviews. 👍🏻
My adidas NextCloud has a full-length nylon compound-plate. The NextCloud is based on the popular adidas Kanadia 8.1. Who cares about GTX...The upper of the NextCloud incl. welded TPU-skin and sheds away water. Most important: any adidas Outsole outperforms any other on wet rocks and roots. Heel of the NextCloud is rocksolid and max. protective.
Conclusion. adidas outperforms Nike with an affordable Fieldhockey Low-Cut-Boot which is my plated Universal running shoe. And it's propulsion-effect is there from the First Strike and step. I wan't Run fast...that is the Message from the adidas NextCloud.
I bought the ACG Mountain Fly Lows (the non-Gore-Tex version) for use as a trail runner because of the FlyPlate. I absolutely love them. Very nice low impact feel. I've run all kinds of trails, up to 34 miles at a time in these. Very solid shoe. I think Nike made a mistake marketing these as a QS "Hypebeast" type of product and not a staple in their running shoe lineup.
I am not a runner got these as a good replacement for a more comfortable alternative for hikes or outdoor adventures. I put these on to break them in on my quick trip to the mall (which I drove too) and the sides of my feet hurt [With basic casual socks on]. I got these a 1/2 size up from what I usually get. I'm hoping I can break them in but this might not be for people with wider feet. To add a little context I'm a sneaker collector and have owned a lot more sneakers then an average person and have rarely if ever come across this issue at this size. From a toe perspective it fits fine just suffering from width. *Edit- I continued to wear them and they actually broke in nicely. Just have to get through that first wear
They’ve held up better than expected. The Nike react form sandwiched between the carbon fiber plates keep them bouncy and propulsive in a long run. I took a trip to Taiwan, and the weather there was rainy, cold and tropical. They keep my feet against all those nature elements that threw at me.
IDK a GTX upper says muddy, sloppy conditions which just doesn't jive with such short lugs. Personally I have my doubts that a full carbon plated shoe works on anything approaching technical trail. Hiking in such a stiff shoe also doesn't sound like fun to me. Interesting shoe but just cannot see it being useful for anything I do.
As clearly said I think lugs here will be best on smoother, snow and yes road. As far as highly technical have my doubts too. As far as hiking I think they will be great. They are plated but foam being soft balances real well to produce a nice rocker effect and after all stout hiking boots are stiff too and without a rocker effect as here.
@@RoadTrailRun I'm sure the shoes can work for some people/situations they just seem to niche from my perspective. But that could also just be me, I don't get cold feet when running in winter unless I'm literally running in mud or slush so that's where I like a GTX upper basically for a wetsuit effect. I also don't hike in heavy, stiff boots unless I'm in the alps were the terrain is quite technical. Even then my boots flex more than any carbon plated road shoe i've tried. Either way, looking forward to reading the review, always interesting to see manufacturers trying new stuff.
All good points! We'll see. I remember the snickers when the original Hoka came out and of course tested them right away as we weren't "born to run" barefoot on the trail or road. Same with the Vaporfly when purists were pounding their legs in marathons in Zoom Streak and howled when they saw them. More recently Hoka with their Hubble geometry and now swallow tail. The TenNine run was too extreme but the TenNine Hike gets it almost right and the Mach 4 coming early next year tones it down and is truly outstanding. So things evolve and I always keep an open mind and try what looks promising and this is clearly a "concept car" for the future of trail running with plates. Of course too heavy for fast running but trust me an outstanding ride on moderate trail mainly I think due to softening React and combining with a plate for propulsion and decent stability something that was excellent in the Pegasus 37 women's whereas the firmer React and higher air pressure in the men's far less smooth and effective
Although, I'm late to a party, I do have a question on this shoes. I'm only going to get this shoe for hiking and are these only good for winter/ cool weather hiking? or is it ok to use these for four seasons? Thank you
@@RoadTrailRun Currently I’m at CA, which kinda worries me, but I think I can manage. Thank you for the kind reply 🙏 😊 I’m going to buy it in true to size just to use it for casual hiking 🥾
@@kaishunider4110 they could get quite warm though, but not to a point of being unventilated. They’re great to keep your feet toasty in the cold weather, plus they’re waterproof in wet environment. About the sizing, I’d personally go half a size up because of the narrow upper, sock-like construction. The toe box areas can get rather cramped. I returned my TTS pair for a bigger size and the fit is more comfortable and accommodating.
Sorry haven't run Trail 2 GTX but based on Trail 2 this is a heavier, more stable, and more dynamic ride with a better upper hold but less room in the toe box due to the rubber piece
@@RoadTrailRun thanks for the reply. The Kayano 25 are in men’s US5.5. But I have tried on a pair of ACG Mountain Fly in US6 and I could not even put my foot in. So I am wondering if I should get US6.5 or 7. Any advice? Thanks!
@@RoadTrailRun I finally got my pair in and I do have the big toe issue too. I bought them for casual wear and I think the issue will ease up once they're broken in.
I recommend going half a size up. I realized they couldn’t be stretched, especially with the piece of rubber caps. The overall fit is narrow and a little cramped. If you can stand the snug fit, by all means going TTS, otherwise go up 0.5.
Sorry about that. Not sure what you are referring too. What are you watching on as when I view fine if a bit bright filmed with an iPhone 12 Pro no adjusting.
@@masumine YEAH, noticed that. When I first watched this video, it was on my phone (Moto Android). So when i saw other comments claiming how bright it was, I wasn't sure what folks were talking about. But I'm watching this video again, on my desktop, and the light on the video is all blown the fuck out!
I hope I made a good buy going TTS. I read mixed reviews saying you should go a half size up and some say otherwise. Also, do you have the info on the stack height of these bad boys?
I am on the fence. With heavier winter socks for sure I might size up half. For sure not long but good snug fit at TTS with only issue the rubber pressing down a bit over my bad big toe.
Hard to say for your particular foot. I would half size up in a next pair to try to make the rubber over the big toe less noticed. A narrow foot might struggle with volume at half size up though
Pouring water over the V-shaped area above the laces where it says GORE-TEX (ironically), I found that part to be NOT waterproof. Same goes for the gaiter. It's a stretchy neoprene-like material different from the rest of the stiff shell, which is indeed waterproof.
@@mats0o350 Snow for sure but for ice really no shoe works without a traction device of some kind, I recommend the EXOSpikes from Kahtoola but there are also many other options in our big traction device for running round up article (14 compared) here: Review
@@noah87 the soles, if used frequently during the wear and tear, will eventually flatten out the threads and grooves. It’s also dependent on your walking patterns and strikes. Some people wear out the heels faster, some in the mid foot areas and some around the front side of the outsoles.
Sam, thanks for this review. Took my new ACG Mountain Flys to the summit of Guanella Pass (11,900’) in snow and ice this morning (12.4 miles, only about 4 of which was on dry asphalt). Ordinarily I would have worn Salomon SnowSpikes but the Nike was a good choice whenever the snow was very hard-packed or blown thin. My feet stayed fairly warm even in deeper snow and 10 degree temperatures, but you were right about sizing up 1/2 size. Fit is a little sloppy but the carbon plate is a nice ride on the flat. Limited use product but will be a pretty good option for some winter runners on groomed roads and non-technical trails. Unfortunately it lacks any precision on trails apart from hardpacked snow. Again, thank you from the Colorado Rockies.
Thanks Troy! Good you put them to the test. My interest in them was for those groomed roads and non tech as well as sloppy wet road conditions as you also are concluding.
Great review 👍, it was nice hearing from someone that actually wanted them for running
Thanks! 👍
The Terra Zaherra is a non gore tex version, still has the React, but an extra large Air Zoom bag where the plate is in that model.🤘😎
For people complaining about the overexposed video: you need to play it on an HDR compatible device, e.g. more likely a recent higher-end phone/tablet instead of a PC.
Thanks for the comment. When I filmed the iPhone 12 Pro was brand new just released and it didn't seem to handle low light as well as it could. It seems they have updated and now in low light things aren't as overexposed as here. Personally I didn't notice it as a big issue but some did
That looks like a fun trail shoe.
Good looking alternative to the Peg Trail-Gore-Tex
My experience is, that shoes with that 8-figure outer-soul-shape are inherently unstable to run in.
With soft soles it gets worse and even more with a high stack.
I have my doubts about running them in highly technical terrain but the combination of plate and softer foam is very stable and the ride dynamic and very pleasing and steady(despite weight) on my test loop which is not the smoothest (forest paths with rocks and roots), fields, and pavement
Hard to take this one seriously. Think was only released on the SNKRS app and seem to sell out very quickly as by the time I looked nothing left in any size in 3 colours. I think you are the only person on RUclips intending to run in them, with all the other “reviews” more of the Hypebeast genre. Plenty of sales on StockX and available in all sizes says it all about who bought this one in the first release. Oh well !
I think different...Despite weight mainly due to GTX this is a highly run able shoe with great softer cushion clearly matched to plate. Ideal all terrain recovery run shoe on any terrain including road in winter. As is for example Xodus 10 another example of multi use.
And I don’t watch read others and certainly never before making my own choices and tests.
Another sleeper Brandblack Tarantula
@@RoadTrailRun I agree it looks an interesting shoe. My point is that by releasing on the SNKRS app so that then half of them appear on StockX a few days later, Nike has produced a shoe regular runners will find very difficult to acquire.
@@TimGrose Nike did quickly and “briefly” restock them in both khaki and black colorways. They were available to cop for a couple of days before being sold out. It’s pretty much a game of first come, first served scenario.
Last time I checked Nike restocked all sizes in the black colorway.
Its how much?! oh my! I never buy Nike but jeepers that is a lot of money for an unproven trail shoe.
Watch the video please and judge. Sadly when carbon is in the mix... May or may not work for you or be worth it but this concept car if you will is pretty darn special so far
@John Jepsen that is not why the US got involved in Vietnam. Its actually embarrassing that you even said that
@John Jepsen which is one reason I NEVER buy or wear Nike
No offence, but have you considered getting a good blogging camera like the DJI Pocket 2? Creator bundle even includes a wireless mic. I only mention this as i like watching these reviews. 👍🏻
I only run with my iPhone 12 Pro and use AirPods but have ordered a Lavalier BT mic
My adidas NextCloud has a full-length nylon compound-plate. The NextCloud is based on the popular adidas Kanadia 8.1. Who cares about GTX...The upper of the NextCloud incl. welded TPU-skin and sheds away water. Most important: any adidas Outsole outperforms any other on wet rocks and roots.
Heel of the NextCloud is rocksolid and max. protective.
Conclusion. adidas outperforms Nike with an affordable Fieldhockey Low-Cut-Boot which is my plated Universal running shoe. And it's propulsion-effect is there from the First Strike and step. I wan't Run fast...that is the Message from the adidas NextCloud.
Put a regular upper on it with shoe strings and I think it would sell better
It would lose weight but the quick laces here are excellent
Its sold out immediately
@@tygur23 yes the shoe seems to be geared towards hypebeasts
I bought the ACG Mountain Fly Lows (the non-Gore-Tex version) for use as a trail runner because of the FlyPlate. I absolutely love them. Very nice low impact feel. I've run all kinds of trails, up to 34 miles at a time in these. Very solid shoe. I think Nike made a mistake marketing these as a QS "Hypebeast" type of product and not a staple in their running shoe lineup.
I am not a runner got these as a good replacement for a more comfortable alternative for hikes or outdoor adventures. I put these on to break them in on my quick trip to the mall (which I drove too) and the sides of my feet hurt [With basic casual socks on]. I got these a 1/2 size up from what I usually get. I'm hoping I can break them in but this might not be for people with wider feet. To add a little context I'm a sneaker collector and have owned a lot more sneakers then an average person and have rarely if ever come across this issue at this size. From a toe perspective it fits fine just suffering from width.
*Edit- I continued to wear them and they actually broke in nicely. Just have to get through that first wear
Sorry to hear. I wonder if what you are feeling is actually the carbon plate?
@@RoadTrailRun Yeah I believe it's the plate. I'm hoping that if I wear it 2-3 more times it'll make help - If not I took a pretty expensive L.
@@RoadTrailRun continued to wear them today once they broke in it’s a day and night difference they formed well to my feet
Thanks for the outstanding descriptive review :)
My pleasure!
They look fantastic, but I think they are way too expensive, way too heavy and my toenails hurt just by looking at them.
Gore Tex adds a solid ounce and with carbon plate sadly also adds to price. Yes the toe overhead room because of that rubber piece could be higher.
did you realize that the upper where is written gore tex is actually not water proof ? Ironic isn't it ?
One month later - what do you think of the shoes? What have you used them for and how have they held up?
They’ve held up better than expected. The Nike react form sandwiched between the carbon fiber plates keep them bouncy and propulsive in a long run. I took a trip to Taiwan, and the weather there was rainy, cold and tropical. They keep my feet against all those nature elements that threw at me.
I think there's a lighting issue with this video. So bright I can't see the shoe. Great review nonetheless
Sorry about that
Would you recommend getting these as winter shoes in Canada? Or would it be a better idea to get Timberlands or Doc Martins?
These are fantastic to wear as winter boots. They’re toasty and breathable.
can you wear them during summertime?
IDK a GTX upper says muddy, sloppy conditions which just doesn't jive with such short lugs. Personally I have my doubts that a full carbon plated shoe works on anything approaching technical trail. Hiking in such a stiff shoe also doesn't sound like fun to me. Interesting shoe but just cannot see it being useful for anything I do.
As clearly said I think lugs here will be best on smoother, snow and yes road. As far as highly technical have my doubts too. As far as hiking I think they will be great. They are plated but foam being soft balances real well to produce a nice rocker effect and after all stout hiking boots are stiff too and without a rocker effect as here.
GTX says more cold for me.
@@RoadTrailRun I'm sure the shoes can work for some people/situations they just seem to niche from my perspective. But that could also just be me, I don't get cold feet when running in winter unless I'm literally running in mud or slush so that's where I like a GTX upper basically for a wetsuit effect. I also don't hike in heavy, stiff boots unless I'm in the alps were the terrain is quite technical. Even then my boots flex more than any carbon plated road shoe i've tried. Either way, looking forward to reading the review, always interesting to see manufacturers trying new stuff.
All good points! We'll see. I remember the snickers when the original Hoka came out and of course tested them right away as we weren't "born to run" barefoot on the trail or road. Same with the Vaporfly when purists were pounding their legs in marathons in Zoom Streak and howled when they saw them. More recently Hoka with their Hubble geometry and now swallow tail. The TenNine run was too extreme but the TenNine Hike gets it almost right and the Mach 4 coming early next year tones it down and is truly outstanding. So things evolve and I always keep an open mind and try what looks promising and this is clearly a "concept car" for the future of trail running with plates. Of course too heavy for fast running but trust me an outstanding ride on moderate trail mainly I think due to softening React and combining with a plate for propulsion and decent stability something that was excellent in the Pegasus 37 women's whereas the firmer React and higher air pressure in the men's far less smooth and effective
Although, I'm late to a party, I do have a question on this shoes. I'm only going to get this shoe for hiking and are these only good for winter/ cool weather hiking? or is it ok to use these for four seasons? Thank you
They would be good for 4 seasons but likely too warm if you are in a very hot climate where the other seasons are also dry and warmer
@@RoadTrailRun Currently I’m at CA, which kinda worries me, but I think I can manage. Thank you for the kind reply 🙏 😊 I’m going to buy it in true to size just to use it for casual hiking 🥾
@@kaishunider4110 they could get quite warm though, but not to a point of being unventilated. They’re great to keep your feet toasty in the cold weather, plus they’re waterproof in wet environment. About the sizing, I’d personally go half a size up because of the narrow upper, sock-like construction. The toe box areas can get rather cramped. I returned my TTS pair for a bigger size and the fit is more comfortable and accommodating.
How does it compare to the Nike Pegasus Trail 2 GTX?
Sorry haven't run Trail 2 GTX but based on Trail 2 this is a heavier, more stable, and more dynamic ride with a better upper hold but less room in the toe box due to the rubber piece
can you color correct, and buy a dead cat?
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@@RoadTrailRun the furry thing over the mic
@@RoadTrailRun ur video color and sound is overexposed
@@RoadTrailRun the entire video is completely blownout and overexposed. Something's way off, you should fix this and reupload it
Adding to this: It’s completely blown out on PC Edge browser, but looks fine on apple ios safari
Got a pair of Gel Kayano 25 in EU38, very snug.
Which size should I get?
Thanks!
Because of the rubber piece over the toe recommend sizing up a half size US , not sure what that corresponds to in EU
@@RoadTrailRun thanks for the reply.
The Kayano 25 are in men’s US5.5.
But I have tried on a pair of ACG Mountain Fly in US6 and I could not even put my foot in.
So I am wondering if I should get US6.5 or 7.
Any advice? Thanks!
They are hard to slip on. How did the US6 toe box feel? Any pressure over the big toe?
@@RoadTrailRun could not put it on, perhaps I had given up too early. Did not get a good feel, or any at all...
Anyway, thanks for your help!
CHANGE A CAMERA
Were they uncomfortable in TTS? I don't have the option of .5 size up.
A bit over the big toe as I have a bad toe nail and that rubber piece pressed but really only when driving home.
@@RoadTrailRun I finally got my pair in and I do have the big toe issue too. I bought them for casual wear and I think the issue will ease up once they're broken in.
I recommend going half a size up. I realized they couldn’t be stretched, especially with the piece of rubber caps. The overall fit is narrow and a little cramped. If you can stand the snug fit, by all means going TTS, otherwise go up 0.5.
My eyes hurt... Please check the video before you post it. Thanks!
Sorry about that. Not sure what you are referring too. What are you watching on as when I view fine if a bit bright filmed with an iPhone 12 Pro no adjusting.
@@masumine YEAH, noticed that. When I first watched this video, it was on my phone (Moto Android). So when i saw other comments claiming how bright it was, I wasn't sure what folks were talking about. But I'm watching this video again, on my desktop, and the light on the video is all blown the fuck out!
I hope I made a good buy going TTS. I read mixed reviews saying you should go a half size up and some say otherwise.
Also, do you have the info on the stack height of these bad boys?
I am on the fence. With heavier winter socks for sure I might size up half. For sure not long but good snug fit at TTS with only issue the rubber pressing down a bit over my bad big toe.
How is the fit if you take the insole out? Is it removable?
@roadtrailrun looking forward to your reply as I’m trying to decide what size to get thanks!
@@RoadTrailRun looking forward to your reply as I am trying to decide which size to get thanks!
It is a removable 4mm or so Ortholite type and substantial so more room but.,.lasting board beneath is firm. Hope this helps
are they ideal for mixed runs? im doing a few 10 km runs 3 times per week and the area of my run changes often between street and forest.
Probably not ideal for that. Pegasus Trail 2 or Brooks Catamount or New Balance More Trail would be better choices IMO
A dónde puedo a comprar este zapato????
En nike :) espero haberte ayudado saludos
en una zapatería 🤣
Hi should I get half size up or true to size:>
Hard to say for your particular foot. I would half size up in a next pair to try to make the rubber over the big toe less noticed. A narrow foot might struggle with volume at half size up though
@@RoadTrailRun wow I didn't expect such a fast response thanks :>
May i ask sir.....those are 100% water proof?
About as waterproof as can be made. Haven’t dunked them yet but confident!
Pouring water over the V-shaped area above the laces where it says GORE-TEX (ironically), I found that part to be NOT waterproof. Same goes for the gaiter. It's a stretchy neoprene-like material different from the rest of the stiff shell, which is indeed waterproof.
What size are you wearing?
Men’s US 8.5
Are these good for snow/ice?
Expecting very good on snow. Ice probably not but outsole good for shoe screws.
@@RoadTrailRunwhat do you think would make it not great for ice? I want to get a pair and was hoping the sticky component would work with ice.
@@mats0o350 Snow for sure but for ice really no shoe works without a traction device of some kind, I recommend the EXOSpikes from Kahtoola but there are also many other options in our big traction device for running round up article (14 compared) here: Review
@@RoadTrailRun thank you!
Is it 13 oz / 368g per one shoe or per pair?
Per shoe
@@RoadTrailRun Thanks!
color and sound are overexposed
color is as iPhone 12 took video and pics. No editing of that.
@@RoadTrailRun check out ur camera settings before u take a video next time
How would these be for casual/long distance walking?
Very good especially in cool wet and cold climates. Given the Gore-Tex not as good if it is warm
@@RoadTrailRun will the soles wear out faster if used primarily for paved sidewalks or last longer?
@@noah87 the soles, if used frequently during the wear and tear, will eventually flatten out the threads and grooves. It’s also dependent on your walking patterns and strikes. Some people wear out the heels faster, some in the mid foot areas and some around the front side of the outsoles.
I HATE THE WORD "GORE-TEX" ON EVERY SINGLE PAIR SHOE BRAND! GROSS. STUPID. SELLING OUT.
Boycott Nike
Look like shoes for people with more money than sense.
You do get what you pay for.
Never ever ever buy un American Nike!!!!!!
GREAT REVIEW HORRIBLE CAMERA WORK. YOURE SO OVEREXPOSED I JUST WANT TO TYPE IN ALL CAPS!
Straight iPhone 12 Pro in dim light which may have overexposed