Kobe Bryant VS Tracy McGrady! Kobe 38 Points, T-Mac 38 Points | 11.27.02
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- Опубликовано: 26 ноя 2016
- Kobe Bryant finished with 38 points, 10 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 blocks. Tracy McGrady finished with 38 points, 9 assists, 2 steals. Orlando Magic over LA Lakers, 112-102.
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BACK WHEN SUPERSTARS ACTUALLY GUARDED EACH OTHER.
musiconcloud17 dope but not smartest choice coaching wise
musiconcloud17 Look when kd guarded lebron in the finals...didn't work out so well
Deonta B Obviously I'm talking about players at their position.
musiconcloud17 Lebron and kd play the same position
musiconcloud17 exactly.. they were competing against each other on both ends
Kobe on T-Mac: " He was just a nightmare to guard."
T-Mac on Kobe: "He has a killer instinct."
Bill Walton: "Everybody just need to get off the court and just let these two guys go at it."
love walton, miss when he covered those ESPN NBA games
@@darkangels119 My english teacher actually used to work for him
@@ayodeniji4586 That's awesome! He/She must have some interesting stories
@@darkangels119 she does
@@ayodeniji4586 I know I'm late but stop with the short responses and give us some cool deets! Lol I'd love to hear em
Tracy Mcgrady is the most underrated player of all time
DollarNinja - hell no not even close
DollarNinja - nope dirk is, dirk has scored almost 30k and doesnt get any recognition, tmac just had allt of injuries..
DollarNinja - No he definitely isn't underrated he's one of the most respected ARGUABLY Kobe's toughest adversary
David Jones Nah T Mac wasn't one of his toughest adversaries if you would asked me I would say it was either MJ or Allen Iverson
so u kobe now?
The two best scorers back in the 00s
What bout vince and allen iverson?
Lakerz24ballin What about Shaq in early 2000's
+mark calaro why?? He averaged about 26 ppg+ in the 00's and had the ability to put up 50 at any given moment.
Vince was a pretty good scorer but nowhere near Kobe, A.I and T-Mac
T-Mac was a better scorer than Vince
Boy them damn fade aways
J Jizzle tmac
Love tmac fadeaway
They played as if they were at the park
Good to see the NBA give T-Mac some love...
Abdullah Khan 14 I swear they never do. Other than the day dedicated to T-Mac on NBA TV (his retirement special), NBA rarely show his games.
JReel17 yea I know it's so messed up it's like everyone forgot how great he was. Leading scorer, first NBA team. Injuries killed him and the NBA rarely talks about him cuz they don't make as much money off him.
that's a triple W (cool avatar btw)
i made a comparison video about them, should check it out
Zombiepapi I will check it out. I used to make T-Mac mixes. At that time Mac was "washed up" on the Pistons and Hawks, even the CBA. So there weren't too many of us T-Mac fans left. I really got into those mixes through SGHoops, Icesco415 and BMacpoland1.
Rip Kobe and his daughter 😞
Gianna, her name was Gianna Bryant
Arguably Kobe's TOUGHEST adversary
Kobe's even stated T-Mac gave him the most trouble because, and I quote, "He had all the skills and athleticism but he was 6'8"
Kobe said he was his toughest adversary /watch?v=RlSfTbsctRs
He Also Stated The Hardest Of All Was Iverson
He said T-Mac and Melo. Coz they got skills plus bigger.
toughest player to guard is tmac.. check his intetview
This was the best one v one game I saw in my entire life. Remembering watching it live as a Kobe fan back in the day. When McGrady broke Kobe's ankles w the fake and finish, then Kobe comes back, drives around McGrady, slams it home and slaps the backboard. Just too sick
Back 2 back like at the park
🔥🔥🔥
Did he got a tech for the slap?
@@guantoman yes I was there and since it’s ESPN I’m sure the full clip is somewhere
@@guantoman yes
scorpion vs sub zero
Michael Jackson shut the fuck up u a wanna be white man
Haha...Love the analogy.
Who's Reptile?
@Grasz
Who else? #Mamba
TN MUSlC 😐so.. u sayin Kobe's the 3rd guy Reptile and T-Mac's Sub Zero or Scorpion with the 2nd guy unknown🤔
This is midrange mastery!! What a duel!!! Miss you kobe!!!
IMO, the 2000's is the era of mid range.
@@UselessVoidBobo my opinion same
Whos watching after T's interview? :(
Luigi Weyrauch yup 😢 RIP to a legend
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@@trustmebro703 ???
Yeah that fuckin fake interview where gay Mac and Rachael quarters couldn't hold backthe smiles and near laughter on there faces as they were deaceaving us all. They knew Kobe is an island somewhere or that he was meant to be killed.
Everybody always talks about Kobe and LeBron but, they never mention Tracy McGrady. Kudos to Kobe for mentioning Tracy McGrady.
never got out the first round
@@jermainesmith9429 how many playoffs appearance you have?
@@shemhernandez8640 how many do you have?
@@jermainesmith9429 fuckk off kid
@@jermainesmith9429 yeah kid. You got none son. Nice try tho. 🤡
Back when both scorers and superstars were actually guarding each other. You won't see this much often now a days. It's crazy how Kobe and Tmac are scoring over one another. I miss the good old days
T-Mac could've been an All-NBA defender if he brought it every day. This game is an example of how good he could've been. Not many players can go toe-to-toe with Kobe on both ends of the floor.
@Far7rom uncalled for
Kobe had ridiculous stamina to be an elite two defender every day. The conditioning, physique, and energy level is difficult to attain.
The 2002-2003 season was T-Mac in his absolute prime..
2002 -2004
BB13131313 Him and d rose had the shortest prime in basketball
Deonta B T-Mac had 8 really good seasons.. he put up good numbers from 2000-2008.. I wouldn't really compare him to DRose..
Yea you're right but between his shift to the rockets he was not a really great player. I feel like his career start declining on the rockets even though they had a crazy team.
Deonta B he still averaged 24-25 points during his first 4 seasons in Houston and had a career high in assists in Houston.. he was at his best in Orlando, but he was still really good for 4 seasons in Houston..
Damn. i cant stop watching this video. These two are like brothers, and their father is MJ.
Justin Diaz I said the same thing.. sibling disciples lol
hell no they both better than MJ
Jalen McAlpin No.
+Justin Diaz YESSSS!
Justin Diaz the brother who gets all the success, and the “other” brother who finds significantly less success.
T-Mac was my favorite player in that generation. I loved his smooth style of play.
I remember watching this game and Bill Walton said "Can we have the other 8 guys take a seat and let these guys GO one on one?" Bill Walton is the truth!!💯
Will Bo Squeezy lol
Truth 2 Liez Official lol
9 straight 40+ point games that season for Kobe. Hasn't been done since.
ninja turtle westbrick can do it
cyclotane nah bruh get off crack
Peter Skotta It wont ever be done the closest was derozan 9 straight "30" kobe did 40 thats ridicilious
James Jones don't talk about wade
James Jones right
It's quite scary to think what T-Mac could have done if he had no injuries and had some help. Absoloute monster, He would of probably won the league in scoring every year.
What if he stayed on Toronto with Vince?
No man, Kobe was on something different after 06
He was KD type player before KD
Looks like he didnt try hard enough.
@@ihelpyouwitheverything4720 you can be damn sure he tried. His last playoff game as a team leader he dropped 40 12 8 on 50% shooting. his team couldnt make a shot. And he did it with a blown out knee and injured shoulder. He was never the same after pushing himself to the brink that season
When Kobe slaps the backboard after that dunk...that's so hype
3BALL4 real.
One of the greatest matchups ever RIP Bean 😥
RIP To the Goat Kobe Bryant may God bless your soul 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿
“HE THROWS IT DOWN ON THE ENTIRE STATE OF FLORIDA”..... I miss Kobe Bryant terribly.
Kobe has said that TMac was his toughest rival. Also I remember when Houston was rivals with Utah Jazz in the mid 2000s. Andre Kirilenko cried to his coach about not being able to guard/slow down TMac. And mind you he was their best defender LOL! Man.. IMO the biggest What If player in NBA history. Love you TMac! You deserve that hall of fame bro!!
1:16 McGrady drops Kobe then Kobe gets a revenge play
thewalkingL that's Kobe Bryant for you... absolutely relentless competitor I could watch these guys go at it ALL day. I mean ALL DAY!! #Famers
thewalkingL Their matchups are filled with revenge plays. Kobe used to do that often in his career. Only player id never say he got the best of was d wade.
Deonta B lmao d.wade was a problem in his prime. he give mj hella problems
Ballin Too Agreed, mj never played any guard like d wade. This guy is not even young and he went to chicago and immediately took over the team after denying being the face of the team.
***** Grant who? Nique had no defense and wade has played way better players than Jordan
People forget how good T-Mac was in his prime
They always bring out the best in each other always my favorite rivalry of all time
Definitely one of the most underrated scorers of the 2000's
Idgaf what nobody says tmac the coldest scorer ever
@John doue Quebec he means the best
@John doue Quebec nó idea whatyour talking about
@@philipchampion566 2006 kobe hell nah
Kobe is the coldest scorer ever
Crazy Kobe shows y'all in this video how great he was and y'all still delusional 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂⚰️⚰️⚰️⚰️😂😂
24 year old Kobe would DESTROY the NBA today.
Rio the Chill Boy wtf stop smoking weeds you high as fuck for real😹 Prime Kobe Bryant Will dominant this shiity Lebronze Era and any superstar's in this soft league
Lebron dominated Kobe...16-6
People dont understand d game. Kobe 4 life.
musiconcloud17 yessir
Rio the Chill Boy
How you gone get on kobe for needing Shaq to win when you're taking up for Durant lol. If Durant never went to the warriors how many rings would he have had? Lol I'll wait.
Never realized Tracy had such a good pull-up jumper🔥
On another note I feel like Kobe has always been so mature like he was a legend from go
Rip Kobe he was such a legend
@3:00
The crazy part is that when Kobe begins to go into his jumper, McGrady is about 7 feet away with another player in-between them that he has to work around, and McGrady clears the distance and still almost blocks Kobe's shot at the height of his release. Ridiculous athlete.
and the fact that Kobe was never bothered at all.
and mc had some white dude play d against kobe so he can rest. he's trash 0 ring and only ONE WAY player. not that great. no wonder he never did well in nba with team sports rofl
J, you know nothing about tmac if you say that, ask kobe, glenn robinson, jerry stackhouse, scottie pippen, ray allen, rip hamilton, billups, nowitzki about his defence. they'll let you know.This man would shut down superstar players in ANY position. He has posterized hakeem, mutumbo, david robinson and more some of the greatest shotblockers EVER. THis guy was competetive as they COME. he just had teammates who never gave their all
bruh, anyone can almost block Kobe. What kind of statement is this.
InvictuZ he has been shown to get to his shots a lot while guarding one on one. He is pointing out how far he was but still managed to get back into the play for a good contest. Something he gets no credit for. He was a good defender but the combination of injuries and him having to do so much used to tire him out.
1:16 Was soo nasty T-Mac was in his bag 🔥🔥
kobe can't guard Tmac but Tmac can't guard kobe either.
TMac isn't an elite defender though...
Brave Fart you’re joking right ? Please tell me you are
@@ambitiousproductions3224 yeah. He's good but just the Iverson level defense good... At least AI played well on the passing lane... Was he a lock down defender like Kobe? Not.
@@lamefart what???? Smfh
Both are excellent defenders but they are an offensive talent.
Damn Tmac was a monster! The NBA was so much interesting back then. These 2 had a beautiful rivalry. Kobe is an all time savage.
Rip kobe. Tmac was my favorite player but u gotta respect kobe. They both had that fadeaway shot that was just unblockable
R.I.P to the legend
three people that deserves to be mention in the same sentence as jordan is peak mcgrady and lebron and kobe.
+Savor maybe he's referring to "Peak McGrady" and not "Prime McGrady". Peak McGrady being that one season he had a PER higher than 30.
beast from the east Wade
***** thanks
beast from the east so peak d.wade doesnt? foh
Ballin Too sadly no
Jump Shots, Pull Ups, Fade Aways, Pump Fakes, Foot Work, Mid-Range, 3s, Dunks and Finger Rolls!!! Pretty 🏀.
Tracy eye was going everywhere
matticworld court vision.
J.P. Czerniak facts lmao
J.P. Czerniak this comment has me tripping lmfaooooo
HAHAHAHAHAHA I WAS SCROLL BACK TO WATCH AGAIN
If tmac had Kobe's consistence and mentality, he would have been the 🐐
michael le truth i think he lost alot of motivation after busting his ass for that horrible orlando team without the front office improving the team at all
If he had Shaq and Phil Jackson to guide him*...if Kobe was drafted to the Magic he'd have 0 rings.
More like if Mcgrady didn't have so many health issues.
Nah, he had many health issues no lie. Shoulder, back, knee I got the same. it's because of his back. Anyway after mcgrady left magic he wasn't the same player, worse fg% 3% ft% than at orlando. And that was in part because of a back injury in 2003-2004. After that he stopped attacking the basket as much and became a low % shooter. I think both injury and because he lost motivation hence not taking regular season seriously that both these reason are to blame also I think while with the rockets with all the injuries and keep losing playoffs series I also think he gradually lost his confidence over time after the 2002-2003 season. He also did not want to be a leader. which actually alot of superstars throught the history of the league never were. SO I don't really care about that. He also wasn't that selfish and took far less shots when he was with the rockets. Hence regular season numbers falling. He didn't care about mvp and all that. he wanted to win a chip. It's really sad when you have a superstar like tmac who just wants to win and doesn't care about his own numbers a real team player never win a ring.
I'm not saying what I'm typing are facts as I have never been with t-mac or any of the teams he played on when any of this happened so I wont claim to know the truth. It's just what information I have gathered around the internet.
True
T-Mac legit the most underrated player ever. He’s seriously the 2k character you create that’s tall and fast and extremely nimble for his size that can jump through the gym. The game really did come easier to him. I’d honestly almost put T-Mac in my top 5. Just imagine young Lebron at point, young Michael at the 2, prime T-Mac the 3, Hakeem at the 4 or Timmy, and Young Wilt at the 5. I always liked Kobe and it’s hard to knock him out of the lineup but dude T-Mac’s size and athleticism were definitely an advantage over Kobe. Think of the speed and size and athleticism of that starting 5. I’d pay great money to see that team play a game
The best basketball game I've ever watched. This is the epitome of what basketball is about. My GOAT vs T-Mac❗This is real life 2K and EA Sports lol
Kobe's jumper is as smooth as my butter,
This is the game where I thought McGrady had more natural talent than Kobe. Seemed like Kobe was trying really hard to get his points, where Tracy made it look easy without trying too hard. The difference.
T-Mac was more gifted physically. He was taller, had a massive wingspan(7'2), large hands and was just as fast and explosive as Kobe, and was just as hard of a worker, but ultimately injuries caught up to McGrady and as clutch as T-Mac was, he didn't have Kobe's will or Alpha Dog Mentality. T-Mac was more passive than people might think, he deferred a lot at times while Kobe would refuse to defer even when Shaq was a laker.
@John Zada III Kobe had more fire inside him than most athletes, period.
So pls tell us when did Tracy McGrady go hard then? 😂 Pls enlighten us lmaooo ppl like you have that "I still got time" procrastination mentality that does no one absolutely any good. You're probably extremely lazy in person 🤣.. Kobe was just better LOL the delusion
@John Zada III exactly lol #8 Kobe is the GREATEST basketball player that most of us have ever seen. Kobe made it look easy and was toying with Orlando here lol idk what these mf's are looking at
@@dannyllerenatv8635 Kobe had an injury ever single yr of his career and still managed to be an All Time Great lol Kobe didn't even retire right b/c If he would've stopped in 2013 after that Achilles injury then some of his career stats would have been higher than the LeBron James. Stop that bro
What a duel, offensively and defensively both at their prime, I haven’t seen a matchup like this before and after.
If y'all notice who in the NBA game resembles t Mac honestly KEVIN DURANT those pull ups those drives those handles kd is the new era tmac
Tee Woodz I made that comparison before but Tmac just looks like a taller Kobe
I agree
Shit I agree, I've been a Warriors fan since '06 and my fave player of all time is T-mac but KD is my most hated player... My fucking dilemma.
Zach Lavine is a 6'6 T-mac, his career is trending like T-mac and might explode if he gets his own team. He has the same moves, same shot with more bounce, same layups, more acrobatic, and slightly more athletic. He will have a post game and start posterizing ppl once his body gets bigger. Hopefully his D improves under Thibs too
Tee Woodz Paul George
Kobe And T Mac Best of the Best in my generation and they where really good Friends as well RiP Mamba
“He throws it down on the entire state of Florida” I’m dead 😂😂
That was a big ass dunk by Kobe tho 😂 you gotta admit
People don't mention how T-Mac shook the entire state of California....
@@elhajjmalikel6266 but Kobe crossed him back and finished with a dunk right after that happened lol Kobe got the last laugh lol
2000's is The golden time of Nba.
T-mac and Kobe were head to head offensively, but Kobe always been the better player cuz he was one of the elite defenders in the league. Basketball isnt just about offense
Kobe: 12x defensive team(2nd most ever); 9x defensive 1st team (most ever)
Tracy: 0
T-Mac was an underrated defender in Toronto and Orlando. He came to the league being know as an athletic player who was a very good defensive player. In Toronto he averaged about 2bpg in 31mpg as SF in one season. But the fact is that Kobe was elite on the defensive side. T-Mac was just quite good but he wasn't elite. Also Wade only has 2x All NBA defensive 1st team, but he's one of the greatest defensive SG ever.
Manveer Singh wow great fact never looked through Kobe like that. (Not a big Kobe fan but respect his game a lot)
Manveer Singh T-Mac was a way better playmaker which you also have to take into account but I agree with the defensive part.
That's why Kobe was the best SG in the game since 2000; better than Carter, Iverson & T-Mac. He had the offensive skills and the defense as well as playmaking. Shaq basically had the best all-around SG during the 3-Peat.
McGrady was a top notch defender when he was a raptor(avg around 2 blocks/game), but as soon as he went to Orlando, he became more of an offensive player...but that doesn't mean he couldn't play defense when he WANTED to. Take this game for example, him and Bryant were guarding each other the whole game, and they both ended up with 38pts,. Keep in mind, Shaq was guarding the paint which is a big advantage for Bryant.
to see how much work he put in i have extra respect for him dude finally said after all these years he had scoliosis since he was a kid he wasnt even posed to be in the league i respect you even more t mac # Salute
That's the reason I started to love NBA games......miss them both
The two best true SG of all time yeah I said it‼️ Tracy the underdog 🐐 and Kobe the most all around skilled , rest easy 🐐 that hard work and dedication payed off we miss and appreciate you 👑
My favorite matchup growing! Tracy/Kobe would lace you up for 60 no questions asked! 💯
True masters of their craft.
You do not see this kind of finese and skill in the NBA, today.
My two favorite players of all time the NBA isn't the same anymore. R.I.P Kobe and the rest of those who lost there lives 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Here after watching T-Mac's video about Kobe's death... RIP Kobe!
are we still gonna see players as smooth as these two nowadays? OH HELL NAW!!!
Justin Diaz Kyrie Irving is pretty smooth man. Guy makes all his shots look so easy and the way he moves on the court with with ball is as smooth as it gets .
Justin Diaz we have. its just that you're too old for new shit
Jed Joshua Gatchalian ok you name one kid....
I think kyrie Irving, kawhi Leonard, Kevin Durant and Paul George are ridiculously smooth.
Koh Smoger Lol the only clutch players out of the names you called are KD and Kawhi. Kyrie is a choker fancy moves cant carry a team same could be said about Paul George.
Sick matchup ... Two of the best scorers in their era in their prime. I remember watching this one as it was really hyped and didn't disappoint.
Who’s watch this in the year of 2018
My favorite player of all time (TMAC) v My Arch Enemy (KOBE) Best One on One Rivalry in NBA history!!!
Savor Read my Friend..."One on One Rivalry" "TMac v Kobe" Their best matchups to me is when TMac was with the Rockets in the same conference with Kobe...I don't care about the milestones. My focus was on the players' matchups. Hell TMac was known as the best player in the league even while Kobe was playing...
Everyone has an opinion and I'm not trippin on that 😆
Even Kobe says TMac was his toughest rival bleacherreport.com/articles/1740550-kobe-bryant-calls-tracy-mcgrady-the-toughest-guy-hes-ever-played-against
i made a comparison video about them, should check it out
Why y'all hatin on this dude? He only said he loved Tmac vs Kobe one on one.
Mcgradys jumper is so smooth and under rated
What a insane matchup. Rip Kobe
Basketball poetry in MOTION it doesn't get any better than this. RIP KOBE and thanks to your sidekick Tmac for the memory.
How is it people wanna talk about LBJ being the GOAT? He's not even as good as Tracy McGrady.
Lol T Mac and Bron my favorite Players lol
If Tracy had a Shaq on his team he would have had a lot of rings
Love how they show the throwback highlights it's lit 🔥
Miss this type of basketball long live kobe
Poetry in Motion
In their primes they're both better than LeBron.
Jose Cruz
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Jose Cruz L
Jose Cruz LLLLLLLLL
Jose Cruz But Lebron was beating Kobe before Lebron entered his prime while Kobe was in his prime.
***** D wade in his prime is better than Bron anyday
Brings me back to my childhood...magic my team and I loved watching em from the Tmac to Dwight Howard days but now I can't even stand to watch their games they've been disappointing the last couple years
Two of my faves growing up. Kobe and TMac #RIP
DeMar bringing the midrange game back
Krisna k Him and Harden
He'd still get punked by both of these guys imo.
jfh06d lmfaoo hell yea
What's the point of even bringing that up? Everyone and their mama knows Demar is not as talented as prime Kobe and T-mac.
Because I hate the fact that Demar is not as talented as prime kobe and T mac.
T-Mac's one of my all time favorite players. I don't like Kobe but I have a lot of respect for him. I'll still take T-Mac over Kobe.
Not retarded. id take prime tmac anyday
corey jinks and lose every year in the playoff while ill take kobe and win
corey jinks Lol kobe is alot more than a mj wannabe, he even dropped 81 points, something mj never did
Kobe better on defense too
@@Mike5366 Incorrect. T-Mac averaged more blocks per game in Orlando and Toronto than Kobe ever did.
Tmac's fade away is just iconic.
These boys used to battle. Everyone in middle school was either rockin with the tmac or kobe shoes. Tmac was my fav player of all time
I will always remember how good the tandem of GHill and TMac couldve been.. and I'll never forget Doc Rivers telling reporters, if you put all these guys on a playground court (vince, shaq, kobe, ai, kg, etc) that they would all realize, to get Tmac the ball...
Well damn 😳 1:16 🔥
Big L u no he tripped on shaqs shoe right watch
not really, just stepped over it barely
lol just admit it sohrab
Mac my favorite all time and I miss there battles. This is real ball half court ball when skills was needed and everyone had roles
T mac vs Kobe was always great match ups. I wish we could have saw a match up with Kobe, t mac, iverson, Shaq and KG vs any group of all stars today.
As always, Kobe the G.O.A.T! 😎
No one can *GUARD* those two
Best matchups
Love you Kobe
Became a basketball fan because of you🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
RIP KOBE ALWAY WATCH THESE GAMES OVER AND OVER AGAIN
Balling like that boy McGrady 🔥🔥
A throwback duel video? NBA tryna be like Dawkins. They feeling threatened lmao
Who else watching this after the tradegy and miss these most beautiful stuff more than ever
This is brutal to watch after this week, but it was so fun watching these guys go at it. Good friends with such similar games
Don't let this historic match up distract you from the fact that the Warriors blew a 3-1 lead in the finals.
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L for giving yourself a W
Don't let that distract you from lebron's 3-5 record.
Yet curry got more rings then u
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T-Mac to Kobe @1:16
I really miss this matchup!
Damm these 2 used to be the rawest players on 2k on the Sega dreamcast! I used to tear it up with Tmac! RIP Kobe+Gigi
My 2 fav players 🙂
I just wanna let y'all know
They both better than Lebron
Mr.Buckets Good joke. LOL
Did I say I was joking?
Mr.Buckets Lebron is better than both*
Mr.Buckets tmac definitely not better then lebron, no ring, no mvps, not as good at defense, passing, or rebounding, less athletic. Only thing he's got is maybe scoring.
Hell Cat Bruh the reason he didn't win any accolades was because oh his injuries and the strong western conference
Lord take Curry and Harden, give back T-mac to us
lol
Completely agree, also please take Demarcus cousins and rajón rondon
Hell yeah
T-Mac is a future Hall of Famer leitimately. I think everybody knows how nice he is.
I remembered these days. Mcgrady was probably Kobe biggest one on one competition. Both was the same size and at their prime around the same time. These game was fun to watch.