Is "Talking White" Actually A Thing?
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- Опубликовано: 19 дек 2024
- The phenomenon of "talking white," or changing your voice to sound more like a white person, is having a real media moment right now. Upcoming films "Sorry to Bother You" and "BlacKkKlansman" both feature black men appearing to be white over the phone. But does it work?
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“If you speak in a Southern accent, people automatically want to deduct 100 IQ points.” -Jeff Foxworthy
Or +100 if you speak in British accent 😂
James Miller Especially if that’s the “gold standard” for the language, no? The people of the Midwestern USA speak a dialect that predates the American Revolution and was spoken on both sides of the pond. I don’t mean to sound racist or anything, but how come that isn’t the standard if it hasn’t really changed?
Elliott Ness Perhaps that’s why people are less keen on hiring people who talk in their accent.
@Elliott Ness BS
@Elliott Ness en out utyy
Host: "Can you tell my race just from hearing my voice?"
Me: "Yes, you're gay."
Host: "Correct."
Me: "I knew it."
I love this
Lol funny
lmfaoo why is this so funny
Lol
I see what you did there, but gay is not a race.
Was I the only one that guessed wrong?
Joe Ramirez i guessed wrong too
Joe Ramirez no
Youre not the only one
Are you a filipino?
No i know the struggle
I hear the voice and the beginning.
"He's white!"
Nope, I'm not good at that
I am good at it and I am black.
I thought he was white
He sounded black to me. Even when black people speak standard American English, I can usually still detect a hint of an accent. I can't always, though. Candice Owens could probably fool me.
Then you probably not around many black folks, I can tell he’s black the moment he started talking
You weren’t around many black folks then
As a black girl who grew up going to a primarily white school, I can’t talk with an African American vernacular even if I tried; I’ll just sound like a basic white girl trying to act black 😂😂
akilahposh I can understand that. But when it's time to fight I guarantee you your Becky side is nowhere to be found but you can hear Keisha coming LOL. I see it all the time
I have a cousin like that
That’s a good thing. At least you will always be employed. Plus, I have found that when a woman speaks proper English that it functions as baby daddy repellent.
I'm Zimbabwean American I talk like a bit of A Hispanic suburban and more Black American my accent is a mix
You do you girl
People Get Bullied for This.
Nobody is trying to sound Like another race. Speaking calmly, clearly, and respectfully doesn't make you like some race or group.
It's silly
You're totally right. It's as if speaking English in an educated and articulate way, is discouraged. If you have a decent vocabulary and choose to speak proper English then you are trying too hard to sound white. This is not helpful to those that tried to better themselves by learning about English and literature. Those that tried to better their understanding and improve their vocabularies just to be told, stop trying to sound white. It's hard to rise up when people are pushing you down.
tobin2517 and who came up with this so called "proper english". Who do you think created this whole notion that you have to speak a certain way for english to be considered "proper". Because my African ancesters certainly didnt speak "proper english" when they were being loaded on ships, sailed 1000's of miles across the ocean and forced to work day after day in horrific conditions and constant fear. It kills me when black people who weren't taught about thier roots or heritage or culture try and dismiss others because they dont speak " proper english" as if that shit is suppose to make thier life any different.
@@zactaylor2376you are right but that is just the way it is...if you want to advance your educational and career you will have to speak a certain way
@@zactaylor2376 The English came up with proper English lol
LoneLittleJerry no shit
People are going to talk in the tone of voice they pick up from the area they were raised in. In my neighborhood, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference if you closed your eyes and listened to a room full of people.
You mean their environment. It could be work, school or living environment
This whole “white, black accent thing” is mainly in America, in Europe white people talk differently from each other. For example in ireland you could have a Cork accent or a Dublin accent. Or in France, a South france accent or Brest accent
While the major parts of your accent are developed through the area you grew up in and the people you were around. Different races do have subtle differences in their basic speech characteristics.
I grew up in maryland and we all sound the same
Exactly. I was raised by white parents in a white neighborhood, so I talk like them. And Know white people who grew up in the ghettos who talk in ebonics. It really isn't tied to skin color. More culture and area of proximity.
As a side note, in other languages, "code switching" is talking informal with your friends and family and talking formal for your elders and higher-ups
Formally means using polite words, this is straight up changing your accent though.
@@_sparrowhawk Sure you could say that, but this video just doesn't sit right with me. In his first example, the narrator states: "When it comes to talking on the phone, black people often try to sound white," when in reality they're just speaking formal and articulate, so the person on the other line can actually hear them clearly and understand what they're saying
His main point is that black people don't use pronunciation, only white people do.
Simplified he means the standard is white people smart-black people not smart.
It's simply not true. Black people can be articulate and not be deemed "trying to sound white," and me for example, I might sound articulate through text, but in person I sound like a rambling incoherent mess because I was never taught how to speak formal growing up.
Let me give an example. I'll use Arabic, although this applies to most languages except English.
In Arab countries, everybody is taught proper Arabic as they grow up.
That's not what they speak to their friends and family however (and they have A LOT of family), they would use their local dialect. Each Arab country has a local dialect, and they all sound totally different from each other, and totally different from proper Arabic. Their dialects are almost like seperate languages.
It's like comparing the dialects of the English speaking world: Britian, U.S.A., Australia, but the difference in the Arab world is that they can all understand each other if they just speak proper Arabic. European countries do this too within the respective country.
On top of that, in most countries, including Arab countries, it's standard to learn 2-4 languages growing up, with the languages varying country to country.
In English speaking countries, like America, it's standard to learn 1-2 languages, and most people wait until high school to learn their second language, greatly decreasing the chances that they'll actually learn it.
Learning languages (and looking into history) actually makes you smarter, too, and helps you understand the world a bit better the more you learn, but most Americans can barely speak their only language. (Btw, being American is a lifestyle, not a race.)
Going back to your point though, that's exactly what informal vs formal is.
Formal is not just "using polite words," that's an American concept.
Formal is actually speaking in a polite and articulate dialect, and changing the tone of your voice that you wouldn't normally speak in, as a sign of respect to strangers, elders, or higher ups at work.
It's not about "talking white" like this video suggests.
I don't understand why they feel the need to turn this into a race issue, when it shouldn't be.
Of course I know why. it's America, the place where everything needs to be a race issue for attention, because slavery happened.
(Even though slavery has occured on every continent, with every race being a slave at some point. It was just overly brutal in America and very recent compared with the rest of the world. Look at the Romans for example. They enslaved their prisoners of war, and it didn't matter what race they were. Actually, most of them were white. But in Rome, some slaves could earn their freedom and they were also somewhat respected. Romans were also SUPER racist, but more in the sense of where people lived, not their skin tone)
Anyways, sorry for the essay and all, but ignorance like this really gets to me for some reason. I hope maybe you learned something, and I hope I didn't annoy you too much with how long this was.
I'm also just bored at work, where my employer was surprised I was trying to be formal during the interview, and she also speaks Spanish (which I don't speak, being a white American I only know English), and 90% of my coworkers are black making me the minority, and also making me believe this video isn't relevant where I live at all(Virginia)
That's part of it, but it also includes talking differently to children than to teens, even though both are below you socially. There's a lot more nuance than just two "codes".
And yes, this video is idiotic.
@@wilfdarr this video was made by americans for americans
@@SunnyD420 Even in respect to American culture, it's mostly wrong.
I'm a dark skin black woman and I have a lot of people tell me 'I sound white'. My grandmother used to help me with my school work and she speaks proper, so I most likely got my accent from her than having a traditional black southern accent
Standard English (some call it proper English) is taught in every school and spoken by the overwhelming majority of Americans. I'm sure it has served you well in life. I think it is a great thing your grandmother did for you. I wish all black parents and guardians taught their children standard English right from the beginning. It would help them out so much in life. From getting into a good college to getting a good job, reading, writing and speaking standard English is a prerequisite.
She speaks *properly. *Dark-skinned *rather than
Lol you probably don’t speak as ‘proper’ as you think. This is AAVE that you’re using here.
anon amous Why exactly does every single American need to speak the same? There’s nothing wrong with regional accents and dialects. Other people around the world not only communicate with each other with different dialects and accents, but even completely different languages. People in the Nordic area communicate with each other all the time despite there being 4-5 different languages in that region.
WolfsbaneFilms because you wouldn’t understand and would always say “ huh” “ what was that??”
@@tubbyprinceses2024 I wasn't speaking about an accent. I was talking about mispronouncing words and using poor grammar. Birf day, amm blance, ree dick lass. etc.
Take notice that Asians are always left out of this whole race debate.
Alexander Bjerkvik whites automatically think of blacks when they think of who they hate the most.
@@borginburkes1819 Dude stfu. You're closed minded af for thinking that
TheBooce OfBungles prove me wrong boi. You ever hear a racist white mention Asians, or Muslims or Hispanics as often as blacks?
L
@@borginburkes1819 yes
LightningZap you would know cuz you’re probably a racist hahahahhaah
Actually, the host sounds white
No, he sounds american
Other Otter hes biracial and probably grew up around white people wich could explain his voice
nuberiffic thank you.
sayajin I grew up around black people and I don't carry any type of stereotypical vernacular.
Omm
I'm white and honestly I've noticed a trend with everyone changing their voice when they are on a phone call. My mom always does it and we call it her "phone voice." My dad also tries really really hard to speak clearly on the phone (he has a speech impediment) so I don't think it's always JUST a race thing. People change their voices to come off a certain way just as we dress different ways for certain occasions.
Yeah strong cultural stuff..it’s sometimes amazing to see these things trespass the biological racial barriers
I agree with you Emma, many different people do change their voice for multiple reasons, but for Black people it is something we know we have to do to fit in certain environments. Even Black people who are deaf switch from their Black sign language to ASL to fit in. It truly is a Black thing!
I've noticed that, too. My mom has a pretty neutral voice normally, but she goes into a thick southern accent when talking to some of her friends, and a more posh accent when doing business over the phone.
When I thought of a criminal, I thought of a white guy with a shaved head, wearing a tracksuit. That is more typical in England.
The505Guys depends where you are, plenty of us in the UK just concentrated in some areas more than others. We definitely have our own cultures and massive influence here, especially when it comes to music
The505guys it depends what part you live, where I live about 30% of people are black.
He sead genious i thought of myself then he sead criminal... I thought of myself again
Paul James
Track suitist!
tbf my thoughts are quite flexible for "criminal"; suit-wearing robbers in masks, white guy in bandana, black guy in bandana, anything goes really.
I'm a black teen living in the getto side of a city that talks with a "white person's voice" and proper English.
One day after school, I went to the store with my mom. I was telling her about my day.
The cashier lady interrupted me by saying "Where is she from?" (She being me.)
My mom said, "She's from here."
The lady respond with, "Why does she speak like that?"
My mother told her "because she was raised that way." As I grabbed the bag and started to leave.
As always, I looked back and said "Have a nice night." With a fake slight British accent.
She looked confused and my mom was pissed off.
Rude salesperson.
Diamond White really? That’s interesting. It’s crazy how there are some who can even “adapt” to an accent. I’m from the NYC/North Jersey area and was growing up had a New York accent, but moving to Northern California made me have a typical general American “white accent” (I am white). Now it’s like mix generic American and NYC accent.
ghetto ignorance at play there. your mother should take it as a compliment, surely?
*ghetto
r/ThatHappened
I also speak job interview
That's a very useful language to learn. Are you fluent?
So as far as speaking "job interview" Let's say you are applying for a job answering the phone at a law firm. If you get the job, then you are representing the law firm. They want you to sound educated, articulate and intelligent. I don't know why you wouldn't want to sound this way all the time. The fact that people can speak "job interview" and choose to only do it when applying for a job shows that they are capable of speaking standard English and simply choose not to.
anon amous You can sound intelligent and speak slang at the same time. People choose to speak in their most relaxed manner when around family and friends. Speaking like a caveman/idiot is not the opposite of speaking “job interview”.
@@02122_ I don't believe slang and intelligence inherently go hand and hand. Or that it's necessarily the best way to express something. I do believe at home it is reasonable to speak in a more relaxed manner. However, I think it is good for children, especially small ones to learn from their parents how to speak Standard English by example. This will help them when they enter school and in general. I apologize for taking my frustration out on you. Not necessarily you, but in the black community if you speak Standard English or if you have a decent vocabulary, you may get asked, why you are trying to talk white? To me Standard English is neither black nor white. It is the language and dialect that has been taught in schools for centuries. I think it's in everyone's best interest to learn it. But if people only speak it to get a job, how can it be something you are fluent and proficient at? Again I apologize. I'm not trying to annoy you.
anon amous Talking white or black is more about intonation and inflection than about standard English. An educated black person, even one who speaks “job interview”, will still sound black assuming they’re raised in a black environment. “Talking white” is independent of a decent vocabulary and standard English in the black community, it is a reference to tonality and inflection that’s more common in the white community. Speaking Ebonics at home is not an impediment to learning standard English, black people can walk+chew gum at the same time.
Nobody talks about the opposite effect! I'm an actress and am currently dealing with not sounding "black enough" or more "urban". I'm not less black because my mother taught me how to speak with correct grammar!
Portraying a black person that is articulate and speaks eloquently would be a positive thing.
Aave is correct grammar since it’s its own dialect you self righteous baffoon
@Bee Bee Simmer I feel like saying "Summer vibes" and using the head voice when you speak and whatever is what people call "sounding white". Many people assume the reason people think they sound white is that it sounds educated. Malcom X has never been accused of talking white and he sounded so educated.
Looks to me, judging from the comments, that everyone talks about it.
"Urban" that reminds me of the Walking Dead Game!
its almost like accents exist
ashton parrish We're aware of accents. This is talking about the need to conform and having to double speak
ashton parrish I thought it was just a myth
That's crazy man I thought accents didn't exist
ashton parrish How tall are you? Because it sure was easy for this to go over your head
You racist bigot. How dare you state facts.
Why is America so enthralled with associating everything with racism?
In Britain your ‘white’ way of speaking is called Received Pronunciation. Everyone has their own dialects that they speak in everyday life and regardless of race they use a more pronounced way of speaking in situations like being on the phone or in an interview.
I’m actually amazed that you assume African American vernacular is the only instance of this...
Thank you Lucas. I'm English and I totally agree with you.
Didn't your country vote for Brexit? That's no different than why Donald Trump is president.
+VXBEWITHME Brainwashed idiot
i'm from London and have been told that I sound white more times than I can count so it does apply to Britain
Ren Lou, I think what you’re talking about is a different issue - I recommend reading some of Coleman Hughes’ recent essays on that topic.
By the sounds of it, you must speak closer to RP than I do. I’m from greater Manchester and the way that i speak on an everyday basis is completely different to the way I speak at work or university. Up here it’s referred to as ‘taking posh’ and is not welcomed in anyway.
I kinda disagree with this whole thing. It just depends on your upbringing and how people sound around you.
It's the same as having an accent.
True, I mean heared Eminem, he sounds black if you don't know it's fckin Eminem speaking.
@@glorifiedtoasterwithlegs2294 nah, he just sounds like a tryhard wigger.
@@DivineHyperion not tryin to be racist but is that how they sound in the hood? Idk I'm not from America.
@@glorifiedtoasterwithlegs2294 look up ebonics. That's the accepted form of speech in black neighborhoods.
i agree. i live in a place with a lot of african american accents. so naturally, i gathered that accent
Criminal makes me think of a bald stocky heavy tattooed white guy with a thin moustache
That’s oddly specific lol
🤣 the thin mustache killed me
I think of a short Jew in a suit trying to sell me a loan
So Hitler? that makes sense.
Nah. Watch prison documentaries. Almost all the inmates are black
Even white people(well me at least) when we have and important phone call or doing a presentation put on a posh voice
Well we talk formally on the phone, and don’t use slang. It’s nothing about “black accents” or “white accents”
Shhhsha! You just destroyed their narrative!
General English is associated with white Americans bc of how many white people in the 1900's and so on spoke. It doesn't mean ALL white people don't have accents other than general English. It's just that the majority of white Americans tend to speak like that normally, and not use it during phone calls or suxh
Lawnmower Man shut up and mow a lawn or something lmao. all the video is saying that, yes, there is such thing as a white accent (when it comes to America) it's not meant to attack anything, or make white people look bad, you nut.
jogatu they're talking about implicit bias, as if it's racist in any way to associate an accent free (or majority accent) way of talking with intelligence or credibility. But it's not. The same goes for white Texans with a heavy accent or for me (I live in germany) when I hear people with a Bavarian accent. It just sounds unprofessional and is partially difficult to understand, so most people talk in majority accent to be most accessible.
I’m too focused on how to speak back on the phone to focus on all this.
Ol black
Who else didn’t think of a black male when he said criminals ((why did this blow up))
I Did
I didn't. But I'm European so I guess it doesn't count.
Nope. Thought of Ted Bundy, Charles Manson and Jeffrey Dahmer.
@@bialynia tf are you talking about?
@@kevk9306 we have a different stereotypical image of a criminal and generally different set of racial stereotypes. What I meant is that because I come from a culture different than American it's natural that what this guy is saying doesn't apply to me. So I'm not sure if it counts as a piece of counter-evidence. We clear now?
it’s like saying “ax” instead of “ask”
Lol, Michael Jackson mentioned this in that ill-fated interview
@[BosS] HITMAN 20 agreed
When I say asked it’s sounds like ast like “I jus ast you a question” is what I usually sound like
@@randomaccount8846 yeah I say it that way too isn’t that the way your supposed to say it it’s hard for me to say “asked” quick in a sentence it sounds forced when I do
The pronunciation of the word ASK is very different and very strange depending on where you're from. ACTUALLY the New Yorkers say it the same way as black people say it which is AXE and apparently the Dutch people who came to New York --way before the British-- pronounced the word ASK the same way, like AXE. I actually know the minute I hear it pronounced as if it were the word AXE that it is probably a black person or if their voice tone is not as low as most black people's,I know it's someone from New York. I don't particularly like it to tell you the truth --unless it's a mafia movie 😄😁lol--but then I remind myself that way beftore the English came, the Dutch people were here and that's HOW they said it, so that is the original way that we in America pronounced the word ASK, we said AXE 😊
You can literally take anyone of any race, put them in a environment where they're raised in for years and they will sound like the people around the area. I know asian people that speak in ebonics, hispanics that speak in british accents, etc.
True, but neighbourhoods and social circles tend to be quite homogenous.
Fun fact Hispanic is not a race you can be any race and Hispanic
@@eliza9011, thank you
I agree with the notion the research in this video wasn't well fleshed out. That it isn't JUST a racial difference, in fact more than anything it's a class issue. We do it to be perceived to be of a higher class. It just so happens that (in america) the higher class is made up of mostly white people. If in the future that changes, we'd adapt how we spoke to fit the new higher ups. (I mean there's a reason why we don't attempt british posh accents when we want to sound "intelligent/wealthy" in america)
I think where this video went wrong was taking one example of this phenomenon (black people using it to interact with white culture) and then treating it as if it's the ONLY example of it. When it's not, every race and class have examples of doing this very thing to different racial and class groups.
So instead of dismissing the video entirely and pretending this isn't a thing, and the black experience is totally invalid-- no just try to entertain the idea that it isn't JUST a black experience.
Danie F if you read the title and listened to the first several seconds of the video you would know the reason why they focused on black people speaking in a different, "whiter" way is because it's very specifically what the video is about
We have/used to have a similar thing in England, except it was very much to do with class and region rather than race. People with regional accents or accents from the working class were typically treated with less respect than those who could speak with a "posh" or RP accent (if they were applying for a job or something like that). This is less the case nowadays, as we have specific laws against accent discrimination.
i do agree that americans in general focus too much on race and too little on class. i'm also pretty convinced that the racial tensions are fueled by the same higher class that doesn't want poor people to turn on them. same thing with the baby boomers vs millenials crap.
Danie F spot on man
You are very correct. In China you sound more educated to speak standardized Mandarin than with any accent. Unless it’s a Beijingnese, Shanghainese or Cantonese acecent, then you’re likely from these rich parts of China. Although the wealthy folks from Beijing or Shanghai still tend to speak more perfect mandarin, while people from Hong Kong are nice enough to speak any Mandarin at all.
You see, in mainland China we are all one race, 98% of the population is ethnically Han, so there’s no intra-racism. Our discrimination is based on areas instead.
Now that is an interesting concept!!
ShoutLatios its been around for a long time.
Go look up Noam Chomsky or Peter Auer for code switching. They've done tons of research into it. This video is super misleading, as basically any heavy accent (including valley girl, texan, german, etc) will be looked down on in a super proper professional setting. I mean, like, of course a guy won't take ya totes serious if ya tryina close an acquisition n ya dun try ta speak the part. They literally won't even.
It's a tactic for survival for us. Way more than a concept.
It's beyond a concept, is a fact, is a technique, it's part of our behavior, our psychology, and in most cases, stereotypes.
I drop my regional accent as much as possible when I want someone to like me.
Girl: why you sound like a white person?
Me: didn’t know I could talk a color.
Black people were not allowed to read and write in the past. Why they want to continue sounding like they can't read and write is beyond me. Shine now. Show them how intelligent, articulate, and educated you've become. Don't hold on to poor grammar and pronunciation like it's honorable. To get an education and speak intelligently and articulately for those before you that couldn't, that's honorable.
Gabriel Rubio no need to be racist buddy
Gabriel Rubio Welcome to 2020. Things change bro.
Gabriel Rubio uh huh. You seem a bit old to be on the internet. Hey who’s dad is this?
Gabriel Rubio 1. I’m a girl. Make sure to check profiles before assuming. 2. Are you sure because you are acting like an old racist trump supporter.
Omg I thought I would never find a video about this. I get treated like this on the daily because I “talk white” so I get called the “whitest black person they have ever met” it honestly upsets me because me as a black girl who owns it, it makes my confidence go down. As a black teenager, it happens a lot for me.
These people are obviously not your friends. Friends build you up. They don't bring you down. Don't be discouraged. Speaking English correctly is not a bad thing. It is a language, not a color you are speaking. There is a correct way to speak it. Being able to speak it correctly is beneficial in a lot of ways from interacting with others of all races to school to employment. In the end, it will help you.
I know exactly how you feel. A lot of back people dispies me, because I speak in a proper English mannor. But I don't understand why it has to be like that??
Its funny how American society gauges authenticity of races based off of stereotypes
Well, it IS kinda easy distinguishing a black voice from a white voice.
Charlene Alyssa Ingram disagree
Disagree completely
Not kind of. It is. Most people who tell you are either politically correct white people or people who barely hang out with a race but their own.
Um, no. Not all black peeps sound that same.
Yeah. Also, black people tend to have a deeper voice
I don't completely agree with this video's proposition that "code-switching" only has to do with race. The video's view that the only way to be seen as a proper speaker is to speak like a white person is flawed. It only seems that way because the makers of this video think that the only ways to communicate in America are African American Vernacular English/Black Slang/Ebonics and white speech, but that isn't the case. There is no one, singular way Caucasian Americans speak. There are different forms of Caucasian American speech, such as southern, northeastern, surfer-dude stereotype, and so on. I have many white friends that speak in a way that would not be considered proper. What most people consider proper speech is considered that way because *it is the easiest to understand by most people regardless of race or background.* Why would we want communicators like teahcers, news anchors, and doctors speaking in a way only one race or community can understand. Having a standard form of speech is not a bad thing.
Having a standard form of English is a good thing and facilitates us all being able to communicate with one another. Another way of looking at "proper" English is as the standard and non-standard would be for instance slang. We need to have a standard with rules in order to be able to communicate. We all need to learn this standard and the rules that apply. This will enable us to convey thoughts and ideas to others without there being misunderstandings.
This was clearly the early stages of the corrosive and racist(or should I say anti-racist) woke movement…..I’m tired of that bullshit in 2021…..All I ever hear from numerous races in 2021, is that we all are tired of the “Progressive, socialist, Marxist, thought control, cancel culture, censoring, BS Woke movement….Time to wake up indoctrinated people. The constitution exist, for the specific purpose of the unalienable rights of all in modern America. We have come a long way. Judge a book by its character, not by its appearance or color…..It’s that freakin simple….Do we have things we could be better at in this nation??….Absofreakinlutely!!!!
Finally some common f sense. Americans are obsessed with this racial thing. When in fact it's more of an understending thing.
Honestly, I’d learn any one language if the whole world would just pick one language and teach that to everyone and use that on all official documents and signs.
Humans are being kept divided by being educated away from unity.
Controlling language controls the minds of the people.
Further, we’re animals and it’s pretty easy for animals that can’t communicate between each other to fight.
Fun fact, to go onboard the ISS in space, a person must fluently speak both English and Russian, no matter where they are from.
Language both unifies and divides.
What’s actually kind-of scary is how calling proper speech “talking white” when it’s really just a sign of effective education in the language indicates that maybe some people don’t want to become better educated.
What I’d like to know: how well do people that primarily speak in vernacular do when tested on their proper understanding of the language.
I don’t think I’ll ever be convinced that “tryna” was coined by a genius that just knew people would figure out that they meant “trying to.”
Also like “halfta” or “half to.”
Axe you a question.
I don't know what you're talking about you can have an accent and still speak proper. Speaking proper and having an accent are two different things
I'm not sure how I ended here, but the real issue is that speaking clearly or grammatically correctly or "proper" is considered better and therefore associated with whiteness.
Just watch *Sorry to Bother You*
True Story.
Have you seen it?
Somali pirate who's actually somali I've seen you on another video before
hmm yes interesting. What up Niggia
Yes, the horse people
Boots Riley was on the Daily Show talking about his movie Sorry To Bother You: ruclips.net/video/oc70iFCaKho/видео.html
From this video, I see that when they’re “code switching” they sound more excited and friendly. I’ve done telemarketing for years, the recipient of of an over the phone conversation can “feel” a smile. That means, it is more likely to persuade a person when you can put them at ease with a smile over the phone. It should seem like the recipient has made your day by just answering the call. I think we as humans want to feel special.
Don't people of all races (including white) use a more posh accent on the phone tho? Now, I'm not a harvard graduate but i don't think its a black or white thing lol.
Somali pirate which is part of the 1% yes everyone does this. its not posh but its an accent closer to standard non dialect.
It’s different. All people do use a more posh accent, but someone who “talks black” will probably use a completely different voice to make themselves sound more “white”.
akilahposh you can’t sound a color
Jaybird J there righhttt
Sarah Chanel right you can’t sound a color and no accent is superior to another. Woo
It has nothing to do with race. The accent that someone speaks in generally gives off the thought about where someone was raised. People raised in the wealthier areas are better educated and are perceived with higher intelligence. It doesn't matter what color someone is, it will always be assumed that the person who speaks more formally is the smarter one.
@@NoCluYT
The accent is not much the problem. It is the grammar, vocabulary. It is making the effort to speak clearly so other people can understand what we are saying. I have a strong accent because Spanish is my native tongue. But I have been taking English classes for years because I want to improve the way I speak. When I speak, people do not think I am uneducated. They know I wasn't born in the US, but they know I have a college degree without me telling them, and I am proud of that. This is the difference with blacks; they have a resistance to improve themselves. They think speaking Ebony, creole, rap nonsense, or what ever they want to call it is good. Let me tell you, it sounds horrible. I am bilingual and I love my roots. I defend my beautiful Spanish every where, but what is wrong with everybody speaking good English in the United States?
@@soniaf7794 I love how you tried to answer someone's question with ignorance of your own. That college degree clearly did not help you become any less ignorant.
@@chrissiec2123
What is your point? You talk and talk and talk... and still, you do not say anything!
Stop spending money you do not have in wigs, disgusting long nails, BBL's, and instead, get a college education. Then, maybe you and I can talk again.
@@soniaf7794 I currently do not spend any of my money on "wigs, disgusting long nails, [or] BBL's". However, should a Black woman purchase and enjoy those things, she should not be looked down upon. Also, I'm in college pursuing an education, so maybe you're going to have to come off of your high horse so "you and I can talk". Next, let's not bypass the fact that Black women are not the only ones buying wigs, long nails, or BBL's/plastic surgery. As a matter of fact, despite the rising percentage of minorities getting plastic surgery, it is still mostly White people who get plastic surgery, and that is a statistic you can look up. Additionally, more Black women than ever have been enrolling in college, completing their degrees, and going on to obtain post-secondary degrees. That is another statistic you can look up. Former First Lady Michelle Obama, a Black woman, is one of the most college-educated women in the USA's history of First Ladies, obtaining her education from Princeton University and Harvard Law School. Black women are not an uneducated monolith of wigs, long nails, and BBL's/plastic surgery. Your view of Black women is the stereotyped, narrow-minded view of who a Black woman is. I said it before and I'll say it again, that college degree clearly did not help you become any less ignorant. So, you ought to stop assigning people's intelligence (and maybe even worth) to whether or not they have a college education and how they choose to present themselves (wigs or not, long nails or not, plastic surgery or not, etc). College degrees do not necessarily make you an intelligent person, as your ignorant comments have so perfectly demonstrated.
@@soniaf7794 racist af
Up next "is talking yellow a thing?"
Darrick , Da ting goes skraaaaaa
no but talking white is
Great Gonzo got me there m8
Yes it is, it’s when u talk asian
Nah they wouldn't want to offend anybody...
It's not necessarily just a black problem. Stephen Colbear for example had to change his native southern accent
Yeah I speak with a purple accent but when I’m on the phone I change it to a white one
Joseph Biss definitely agree
He mentioned this in the video. Any sort of regional accent in any language is likely to cause people to judge you. If you speak without a regional accent, people have trouble making snap judgements because they don't have any information about you.
+Joseph Biss That, too, is actually not true. Accents from the New England region are also looked down upon IF they are super strong, and in some cases California/West Coast accents. The closer you are to the "Standard Accent" in America the better you fair professionally and socially.
Modal Soul No it didn't. The "southern accents" are usually sub divided into three separate types of accents which are Appalachian English, Texan English and southern Afro-American English. Appalachian English came from the descendants of the Scottish and English settlers who settled in the Appalachian mountains in the mid 1600's. These accents formed independently from mainstream English due to their isolation from the outside world and when road systems started being developed in the late 1700's to connect the various regions across the colonies (this started before American independence) it meant that people became more connected and so the accent spread across what's now the southern US. Texan English came from a mix of the various American accents that came with settlers to Texas after their independence from Mexico such as the Appalachian accents of New England accents that all mixed together. Southern Afro-American English came from how African slaves were forced to speak English but retained a degree of mannerisms that came from different dialects of different languages in west Africa. Southern Afro-American English evolved independently following slavery due to the isolation of black people in the south following slavery up until the 1960's.
*its crazy how my fellow black ppl find it cringe when some of us speak proper english but when a British black person speaks proper english with a British accent, they dnt find it cringe. Smh This is yet another reason whata wrong with my ppl. We always find a reason to put our ppl down and or make them feel like they dnt belong* 😳😳😳😳
oBlizkin
They don't want to be associated with whites, hence why they hate people who're using proper-English.
They even call asian people white-wannabes because of them speaking proper-English.
All in all, although black people consider themselves to be the victims of racism, it's quite the opposite base on my observations, they're one of the most racist group of people that i had ever observed. Hypocrites i should say.
Bro it the same round here in the UK, Black ppl and White ppl speak different here aswell.
Taio Valentino so someone like idris elba doesnt speak with the regular british accent? Or u refer to the low class blacks?
What are you talking about, we still cringe when we hear a British black person speaking with a posh accent. Take Idris Elba, his accent changes a bit when he does interviews
.... how is it not from white people... Racism in America has ALWAYS been White oppression towards Blacks, since the nation's inception. White people used race and Black "inferiority" to justify slavery, and ran with it.
Black people were denied basic human rights, the ability to accumulate wealth, were terrorized and disenfranchised, and now we have to deal with the ramifications of 400 years of physical and emotional abuse. I'm talking generational trauma that has worn down our communities and broken our spirits.
And then we STILL have to deal with contemporary systematic oppression like mass incarceration, redlining, racial profiling, school-to-prison pipeline, food deserts, spatial mismatch, and more.
The racial injustice of the past and present has all been at the hands of the White demographic, simple as that. Whites have always held the social, economic, and political power in this country, establishing social norms, passing legislation, and determining the flow of funds and resources. It was White oppression that ruined the well-being of blacks and other minorities, and it will be white moderation, like yours, that keeps it that way.
I would love to talk with you about the details of systematic racism in America if you're willing.
-When he said genius I thought of a really smart white dude
-When he said criminal I still thought of a really smart white dude
Hints of progress since the 1950s are lovely
There's a big difference between an accent and someone speaking with improper grammar
Exactly! They are completely different things 🤦🏿♂️
@@Drstrange3000 when people say "they do be.." or "doe" instead of though and "nawwww" like fix your grammar please
I thought you were white...........whoops
lol sounds about white... amirite?!?!
2:41 Ted Kaczynski and Charles Manson were actually the first ones that sprang to my mind. Oh, and Donald Trump of course, but he isn’t white, he’s orange.
Now if I say the word criminal
Me a Mexican: El Chapo?
Lol
Sir HorsesAround I just think of blacks
Meh El Chapo he's mediocre.... From 1-10, he would rank a 2 in my book.
Hitler, Kim Jong un, Stalin etc.
@@fjellyo3261 bernie madeoff
Wait what
Justin Y. Hi, nice to see you again.
Exclusive news just in. Y are you here on my news channel?
Justin Y. At this point you are desperate for likes and can't comment anything clever anymore........
Why u everywhere I go?
Is this a social experiment?
Justin Y. Again?
What you call The “Standard White Accent” is not for whites but closely related to education. It is the grammatically correct English language.
It doesn't matter. You can speak whatever language you want in private but in society, you must be understood by the majority. If you work in an all-black community then fine. The same way Spanish speaker can speak spanish all day if only surrounded by Spanish speakers. But since the dialect is only spoken by a minority, then said minority must speak the standard language when out. If AA become the dominant group, then their dialect can become standard, until then it is only logical to speak the standard language when adressing a broader audience.
Kurohebie nicely said.
But this is not another language. There are no issues with understanding them. Nobody would expect from an Australian, Englishman or a Southener to completely lose their dialect. You both are not very objective with this issue. You keep finding excuses, because you want it to be true.
Actually Irish English is barely understandable and they face the same issue when outside Ireland. So they also would be expected to switch to an "international English". The form of English taught in school and to people learning English as a second language. If you have a doubt on what form of English, check out the TOIC exam for non-English speaker. You won't see or hear any of the multiple English dialects but what is expected as "proper English". And you can have any kind of accent but if your sentence structure is correct, it shows that you are educated and know how to speak.
Simon Peters I talk for a living in call centers and I can tell you I do have to drop my southern accent if I want to maintain good quality scores (a key factor in my job). I have also noticed if I speak more neutral my customers tend to take me at my word vs when I am speaking in my normal southern accent they tend to ask for a supervisor. The assumption being southern equates to stupidity. It's frustrating and unfair but the bills keep coming so I do what I have to do. I don't know if it's exactly the same for you but I'm sorry you have similar problems.
My girlfriend says that when I am around white people, I pronounce spanish words with a non latino accent, and when I am talking to someone who is latin, I use a proper accent. I am half white, and I never realized I did that until she called me out.
My Grandfather was white from Virginia and they thought he was Negro on the phone when he would call New York for hotel reservations. They would suggest he stay at the hotels for the colored patrons. He was college educated and had a 140 IQ.
Meade Music why you have to use the n word?????
Negro is just Spanish for Black. Nothing wrong with the word.
@@MeadeSkeltonMusic plenty wrong with picking a Spanish word that is an n word with a history of dehumanizing. Wake up.
@@kenmtb wake up to the fact that you're being brainwashed and mind controlled.
@@MeadeSkeltonMusic by whom? I'm already awake....My point stands troll
In norway this happends between white people, where some dialekts are seen as less inteligent and some just end up switching to the one used in the capital.
Sectormann thank you people from Europe often understand this more
As a linguist, I can tell you this happens everywhere.
It happens literally everywhere haha
You forget that norway is vert unique with dialects, as we praise the concept of it.
We have two "standard languages" , but since we see dialects as our cultural pride, we accept them in both politics and news.
The only exceptions are ain formal letters. Most other countries demand a certain language spoken in official situations.
I also think "white language" is a silly concept, it just creates more racism where there isn't needed one. There should be the agreed upon "official formal language" , and then there should be every day dialects, ethnolects etc etc
There are moments in life where identiy matters and there are others where identity doesn't matter, one should sit together and talk and agree on which moments is reserved for what.
MarkFilipAnthony I totaly agree
It's rather perplexing all these dislikes. This phenomenon is not new and widely accepted in linguistics it's a basic concept of linguistic prestige that requires code-switching. General American English ,as such, has the overt prestige that is far more likely to be acceptable than rural southern accent or any variation of ebonics. William Labov discovered this in the 60's. Is being ignorant to basic scientific and social phenomenon that far out in the general public?
Colloquially, "talking white" refers to this specific phenomenon. It's an old established concept in linguistics across the board.
It's one thing to call it code switching or that it's "speaking general", and another is bringing race into it and treating black people as victims when they have to speak in a non-accented manner in a professional setting, since, you know, it's a professional setting and not talking to your mates in the backyard over the BBQ or something.
I just never agreed with telling black people that they sound white. Just because someone speaks clearly it does not mean they are sounding white. Good lord. So sorry that many people disagree with calling it "Sounding White" I always thought that term was ignorant. When someone tells a black person they are sounding white even though they were raise that way, it is considered a insult. It's like saying "We're not black enough." "We're not cool enough." We're a sell out." Just because we speak properly and clearly because we are considerate to the fact that other folks won't understand us. Puh.
@@rubbers3 the situation you described is literally what code switching is lol, if your default way of speaking isn't accepted by people in a professional setting and you have to modify your voice to be accepted
@@MrAlexanderrangel I was referring to the fact that it applies to everybody, every race, gender, sexuality. And if it applies to every race, then it's not racist. If it requires even white people to "switch code" then it's not "talking white".
@@rubbers3 I don't understand your point, yes, discrimination based on accent and dialect happens in all countries and for many reasons but that doesn't exclude the racial component when it comes to Black Americans. If whites discriminate against rural white based on their accent then it is a class reason. I mean immigrants from London are not told to use a different accent while in America because it is perceived as higher. However, with blacks whether speaking their own colloquial speech or professional speech still face discrimination and the original reasons this happened were racial, so it's not a stretch to assume they continue due to those reasons
I thought of Mexicans when he said criminal, and sadly I’m Mexican
That's because you're brainwashed by the media
lol for some reason Mexicans remind me of Bonnie & Clyde IDK WHY LOL WHAT!
@@arturorod990 LMAO
That's weird when someone says handsome or debonair my brain goes to Latino. My mind doesn't go to criminal for Latinos.
Colton Celaya
When he said criminals, I thought of criminals. I am from Panama. This is one reason why latin-Americans hate to be called Mexicans.
2:40 I thought about Bundy. Guess profiling and prejudice goes both ways, huh?
Huh, funnily enough, I thought Dahmer.
I think the verbiage also has something to do with it. When I hear criminal, I think burglary, arson, theft, and mafia stereotypes. When I hear serial killer, I think of Bundy and Dahmer.
The first person I though of was Al Capone, John Dillinger, Baby Face Nelson. No one really knows the names of small time criminals so I think that specific point he made was flawed.
Hypnotica I thought about breaking bad
Might be the superhero nerd in me but I instantly thought of Joker and Jonathan Crane.
"oh, stewardess, I speak jive".
"Cut me some slack, Jack! Chump don't want no help, chump don't get the help! Jive-ass dude don't got no brains anyhow, shit!"
I'm a black guy from Philly. In the suburb I grew up in, we ALL sounded like off-brand New Yorkers. It had nothing to do with race, it was just where we grew up. My mother was in a well-off, middle class household and she went to a good school and did some college. She doesn't "talk white," she just uses correct pronunciation and grammar. I grew up around black and white kids, but we generally sounded the same because of oyr communities and upbringings.
Exactly I’m black and I have lived in the hood but for some reason my voice sounds like it not necessarily white but just a general kind of like Kyrie Irving but may be a little bit more blacker you could say
"I might be able to tell your race from your voice, but that doesn't tell me anything about your character."
Total BS! We can ascertain a person's level of education and some of their values from their voice. That tells a lot about their character!
You can be discriminated in Northern Italy if you speak with a Southern Italian accent.
Figliolo, non sai quanti meridionali vengono e venivano trattati come cittadini di serie B qui al nord. Quante storie ho sentito nella mia vita. Gente a cui veniva negato un appartamento in affitto perché al colloquio l'interessato aveva un forte accento meridionale. Meridionali a cui veniva negata la residenza nel comune di Montichiari (BS), perché non soddisfacevano i redditi minimi, trattati come se fossero extracomunitari (a detta di loro stessi). Ragazze che non si metterebbero mai con uno del sud (miscegenation). So d'un bambino che veniva chiamato "monnezza" per avere una madre napoletana. Per non parlare del fatto che l'emigrazione di italiani meridionali, ma anche genovesi, veniva disincentivata negli USA rispetto a quella dei settentrionali grazie alle teorie lombrosiane che hanno avuto un impatto sul Immigration Act del 1924. Sveglia! www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/2017/10/10/non-si-affitta-a-meridionali-la-denuncia-di-un-medico-di-caserta/3903471/
Why?
@@S.Sarajlic Translation please...
don don because northern Italians think they are lazy, uneducated, and violent
When he said think of criminals I straight up thought of the two burglars from home alone and now I’m WHEEZIng omg
I talk purple
I was raped by Barney as a child and the word purple offends me
a a seems like barney didn't have a happy family afterall :(
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
The color purple
Jesus Christ this is so cringy this whole thread is cringy
It's called speaking proper, not talking white
"Sounding white" at no point does this host sound "white." He speaks properly, but that's not exclusively white. It's sounding "middle class" or "suburban" but not white. White folks from Cleveland, Boston, Chicago, St. Louis, Memphis, Dallas, New Orleans... all sound distinct as well.
@Hugh Mongus I never heard a white person talk like that. I lived in the South and Midwest. Everyone talks differently. Down south there's that twang. Up north theres that nasally accent. "Bag" sounds like "beg."
Actually, no American talks proper English. The British actually make fun of Americans for their broken vernacular, so it funny when whites try to get down on Blacks about the way they speak.
DubG9 Black People do the same thing to other black people. No one is innocent when it comes to this speaking like a certain race bullshit. There’s no such thing as a universal racial culture.
Wrong! American English is closer to the English from the 18'th century than the English in Britain.
I have a white Hispanic friend, she has light hair and blue eyes and light skin but has a Spanish accent.
i'm half-Creole, but instead of looking like Obama, i look & sound like Meghan Markle in "SUITS" bc i was born in Louisiana, but was raised in the midwest. i find it fascinating that i instantly "reverse code-switch" when speaking to Black customer service reps, and end up getting friendlier service, better service, and mutual lol moments. In person, ppl give me side-eye, so i have to "speak white".
"Talking White" is what I've been doing since the 70s growing up around mostly black people. I'd say it's just taking pride in your own communication. There is no reason others have to, or should value another's culture.
Americans don't understand the difference between phenotype and culture. There is no such thing as "black accent". "African American Vernacular English" is a sociolect of a particular cultural group that consists of people who descended from African slaves brought to America a few hundred years ago and formed their specific culture. If you were not raised within this group, you will not have this accent no matter what your heritage or phenotype is. Your accent is based on how most people that surrounded you spoke while you were growing up, not based on your skin color. Black people who grew up in white neighborhoods or black people coming from other countries will not sound AAVE, as they are not part of that culture.
There are soooo many bad arguments in this video. The worst is labeling the American English we speak today, that would be considered non-accented or slanged by most dictionaries, to be "white", while other accented or slanged English to be "black" or otherwise. They probably should have just referred to them as standard, dialect, or accented speech. Also should have pointed out is that yes, there is a bias in favor of standard speech (in America, in certain settings like the corporate workplace), and not in favor of "black" speech. They neglect to point out that "southern" and "country" speech is also not favorable (in America, in the corporate workplace). Also, "British" speech is biased to be MORE intelligent than standard. Honestly the real reason standard should be used by people in professional settings, across all languages, is that it should be the most commonly understood by everyone speaking the language. It really should just exist in professional settings, that's it.
They also touched on a point that I wished they would have expanded on, which was the one about racial profiling when someone is speaking in slang/accent. Did they do any research about whether or not people who spoke, or we're capable of speaking standard, actually were or were not more highly educated? Have more or less income? Ect. I would assume they would come to the conclusion that slang or accented standard American English is not an indicator of intelligence, and that we shouldn't be so quick to judge based on how people talk. No matter if they choose to speak standard, slanged, accented, or some combination in between.
nothinmulch why would anybody in the workplace be in favour of black speech. Even in my country(🇹🇹) we have a dialect that not even Jamaicans can understand at times but most CEOs want the white speech (standard English) because it shows that you have some basic understandable comprehension of the English language so that you don't embarrass the company.
There's talk for which you do with your friends and family and then there's also talk for when you talk to a stranger or superior.
Don't think I'm disagreeing with you if it may sound this way
Yeah this video was kind of surface level I think. It also implied people of certain racial groups, like black Americans, all use this same manner of speech which is incorrect. But to be fair it was a short video and didn’t have time to go more in depth.
nothinmulch
How boring the world would be if we all sounded the same.
@@JeevesReturns But the expectation here is that there is one way for black people to speak and a lot of that is just, not like a white person. English shouldn't be about color or race. It's a tool for us all to use to communicate. It shouldn't be full of poor grammar, vocabulary, and misspelled words just so you don't sound white.
Well we are definetly talking *BLACK* on RUclips
*_-gg-_*
Tristan Willstout ez win
MOPARGuy Yes
When he said now picture criminal all I could think of was the hamburglar🤦🏼♀️
lol
I think i watched that movie
I thought of my dad
I thought of Trevor on GTA
@@MichaelMixerMasonGASS Me too!
How can you be a speech and dialect coach and not know that there are hundreds of British accents?
A Person
He was talking for a general case. We have a bunch of accents here in the US too. You’re not the only one.
Lucas M no one says American accent they say New York,southern,valley,Midwest, etc
This “expert” has just lumped 4 different countries filled with hundreds of dialects into one specific accent
A Person At least people recognise there are different accents like in southern USA ect. When it comes to British accents we either speak like the Queen or in Cockney rhyming slang( which is..not spoken by many people) It's not so common that people understand there are regional differences here at all.
"Now, when I say the word criminal.."
Actually I think of an old balding white guy with a bunch of tattoos..
Still probably not the best bias, tho
The funny, and sad thing is that AAVE/Ebonics is, historically and etymologically, “speaking white.” It’s a holdover speech pattern from Southern slave owners who had a very similar speech pattern to modern day Ebonics. Slaves took on the dialect of the slave owners because it’s what they were surrounded with.
Ultimately AAVE can be traced to highland Scots and North Englanders who had a mass migration to the southern USA where they became slave owners, and their slaves learned to speak that dialect of English. The Highland Scots and North Englanders speech morphed in their homelands, but carried on its legacy in America.
So, in fact, when someone is speaking AAVE, they are very much “speaking white.” They’re literally speaking like their slavers.
You better tell em! This applies to the slaves/labourers in the Caribbean as well, patois is a melange of whomever was dominating us at the time or whomever was participating in labour with us - speaking as a child of Jamaican parents, you can hear VERY clearly the Irish, Scottish, German influences, especially the aforementioned. I never could understand an Irish accent until I told myself "just imagine Jamaicans talking" then BOOM, clear as day.
Ionknow man. There's more than one school of thought on the subject. Some do think AAVE originates with white slavers, but others argue that many of the syntactical structures used in the dialect (who it is, for example) come from West African language families and mixed with slave owner English. Furthermore, the way 'th's are pronounced is mirrored in some other groups of West African descent such as in Nigeria.
Virginia and the Southern colonies were mainly settled by England's Southwest counties, not North of England.
Michael Harris, Interestingly, Many subvarieties of AAVE sound similar to the accents of the Tidewater region of Virginia, parts of Louisiana ( particularly in and around New Orleans ) and in the older natives of Mississippi, and much of Georgia and the Carolinas, particularly around Charleston and Savannah. All these accents are partially or largely non-rhotic, have the long i dipthong turned to something between the a sound in words like ' cat ' and the ,aw sound as in words like ' paw and caught '. In and around New Orleans, the th sound is converted to a t or d. I myself have a New Orleans type accent, as I spent the majority of my childhood in that area.
Sort of true. Although, some words and tendencies of AAVE are thought to have descended from Urdu in particular.
That’s not white talk, it’s proper talk
I was under the impression that the vocal differences in tone were morphological rather than cultural. Of course dialect plays a role, but is there also a physical difference?
Naaah
I never expected you here
Hahaha. That is what I thought too, but of course it is rediculous.
That has been my question and I did a comment regarding that. BUT when I think about it, I have met white people who sound 100% black & until I look at them, I think they are black.
I myself am a hundred percent white and grew up in white suburbs with Midwest parents and yet occasionally on the phone I was thought to be black until they met me because my voice is lower. Not especially low but I speak from the gut rather than the upper part of my chest. IT'S actually a rather light lyrical voice but it is not as tinny as most white Americans. I think I surprise people when they see me for the first time😊
4:57 this man does not sound black
lmao
Idk if it's the lighting or his bone structure, but he doesn't look black.
His voice is high pitched and he is well spoken, makes him sound like a white Mexican voice actor who only does young characters or young personalities.
(But in English)
Doesn't everyone do this? You talk differently depending on who you're speaking with, has nothing to do with race.
@@repker Ofc. That’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying that when I interact with a group of people who are all talking with an accent, I subconsciously imitate that accent.
has eveything to do with race
@@repker I’m aware why the groups exist.
The only real thing I can pull from the sound of somebody's voice is what culture they engage in. I don't understand how you can identify race with this...
Speaking proper English is not "talking white" it's simply following the rules of the language you were taught in school. The language happens to have European origin but anyone of any skin color can speak it. For example if I were to speak Swahili I would follow the rules as they were taught to me, I wouldn't say I was being forced to "talk black". Language isn't a skin color so there is no such thing as "talking white" or "talking black". There are different dialects but again they are not always exclusive to one particular skin color. And if you complain that you have to speak proper English in a job interview congratulations so does everyone else regardless of skin color.
There are formal and casual ways of speaking, white people have to be formal too when they are in formal settings so it's not discrimination, everyone does code-switching especially when they are on the job. Using formal, standard English is easier for more people to understand and shows professionalism by demonstrating that you can apply knowledge of the standard rules of the English language that you were taught in school. How is that racism? Saying it's racist acts as if all black people speak AAVE and are incapable of speaking standard English. You want blacks to be treated equally then hold them to the same standards as everyone else. If everyone is expected to speak standard English on the job we shouldn't start making exceptions as if certain people cannot be expected to act professionally in professional settings.
Your right
New people i've met online always think i'm white on the phone because i normally speak in the standard accent. My friends even tell me i "sound white" i knew there must be some other name for it. But if i'm like in a really casual setting or i'm really mad at someone i can easily switch into "sounding black" not very often tho. Other black people have thought i was weird, but other people have given me complements saying i had a great speaking voice. I've never really thought of myself as special thats just how i normally talk
Some accents are really hard to understand to other from different areas. So, speaking clearly with clear pronunciation would be helpful to everyone who listen to you. This is the common practice in Asia.
for genius, i was thinkin neil degrasse tyson
Yeah...right...who think Jeff Bezos is a genious? An no-one who have ever used Windows 98 thinks that of Bill Gates.
DerGuteHut they would have have to been pretty smart to get to over $100B
Right. For this examples I didn't think genius. I just thought rich AF.
2:35 When you said genius I was thinking of directors. Such as James Cameron, Stanley Kubrick, Jordan Peele, John Carpenter etc. When you said criminal I was thinking of, Charles Manson, John Wayne Gacy, Samuel Little, Issei Sagawa etc.
I judge people based on what they’ve done not what they look like. So your presumption I was wrong.
2:34 - You kinda set the viewer up to think about it that way. That wasn't really implicit bias, just situational conditioning.
TheMysteryMan glad I wasn’t the only one who thought that
Its not that its 'white', its simply good manners, pronouncing your vowels and using the language to its fullest, ie vocabulary.
Or your just a self righteous buffoon who doesn’t know what aave is
I'm not scared of people of color passing me on the street, I'm scared of literally ANYONE passing me on the street.
I don’t understand why Americans obsessed with race so much and they carry it into accent and voice. No other country in the world I’ve seen with “race - based” dialect , when you grew up around people who talk in a certain way you talk like that, the only difference is regional accent range from north to south , from East to west .
It’s not called “Talking White”, it’s called speaking correctly.
i just call it "my customer service" voice 🤷🏾♀️
Speaking white isn’t a thing. speaking articulately is. it has nothing to do with race.
A lot of people are saying proper English. I understand what you mean but... i think the more accurate term is Standard English. It is what is taught in all schools and spoken by the overwhelming majority of Americans. It's what you need to be proficient at in order to get into College. Even if the job you want doesn't require a college degree, they still often require you to be proficient at reading, writing, and speaking Standard English. So it's in everyone's best interests to learn how to read,write and speak Standard English. It can help you to further your education. It can also help you in getting a good paying job. Without it you are limiting your possibilities.
Why does the host look like a randomized Sim
I know everyone thought he was white 😂
You sounded the exact same when you switched to your job interview accent haha
The same thing happens in France, the blacks that are from the French colonies get discriminated against on all social spectrum (job, education and housing) because apparently they dont speak proper well structured French, I worked at a call centre where a French lady got angry because she couldn't understand what my French black colleague was saying and demanded to speak to a white French person
Oddly, the French blacks score higher and are more advanced when it comes to writing French and French literature than their white counterparts
When I'm on the phone people think I'm a young woman. I'm a brown male.
Im sorry lmao
*cough*
what
Another thing that white people need to be ashamed of apparently
It's called "code switching". Yo get social advantages for doing it. Some white people with a distinct accent that is not considered "posh" do it too if they want to gain something socially. It's not about race. It's more of a social class thing.
"I don't like, you. Your cough was too Black!"
Stapler If you're ashamed of that you're too soft
You everywhere girll... and I love it!!!
I like when he said "criminal" my mind was a sheer blank lol.
I think that if you "talk black" most people won't judge. The same thing goes for rednecks if you have a bit of a country accent in your voice, no one cares. But over using-slang both country or ghetto is when people start assuming you're uneducated. Although I do agree with the sentiment to not be judgemental, it's messed up and prejudice. If you can't help the way you talk then you don't deserve to be judged.
It's not "Speaking white" it's just speaking correctly.
jemimallah So tell me what’s so white about clear articulation and proper grammar
I've always thought of it this way:
Speaking a certain way ie HOW you sound is what most people mean when they say "you sound black or white" rather than what one actually says.
I could talk over the phone with a black woman and a white woman. Give them a script and have them say the exact same words and I bet many people could differentiate between the two. Unless of course the black woman SOUNDS white and vice versa. Usually someone may sound like a specific race because that is what's usually associated with that race.
Black women tend to have deeper more sultry voices, while white women usually have high pitched voices.
Anyone wanna tell the host he sounds like he's white when just normally talking.
When he said criminal I imagined a white bald dude with tattoos
Can u talk brown?
Mano Yousafzai Indian accent.
I talk purple
Mano Yousafzai The only time someone talks brown is the time an explosion occurs right after
sSSSAVAGEEE Ahhm all brown people don't do that. There is a specific group you know.Its called ISIS.
FUS RO DAH There's a difference between an Indian accent and AAVE. Broadly, only people who speak English as a second language can have an Indian accent. AAVE speakers are generally natives. Indian Americans normally speak like other members of whatever community they come from.
How about just caring about how you sound? I always try to be clear in my speech and talk like an adult. I tend to gain an accent when speaking with those with one, always has happened since I was a child. But I choose to be understood by those around me that I am talking to. The most frustrating thing is when you are speaking with someone that doesn't even try. And at some point it is annoying to both in the conversation if you continue to ask them what they are saying.
And while Lemon may have only got the job when as you say, speaking white (wrong description), truth is he was hired for a position that requires him to be understood by the masses and not just a few. And one working in that type of position will always be required to speak clearly and have proper communication skills. So don't use the race card as to why he was hired. He could have worked for BET...... oh but they still require some speaking abilities beyond Ebonics. This is true in any country and with any language of said country. If you want a job in the industry you must become what is necessary to be in that industry. Would you go to a hairstylist that looked like shit and kept their station a mess. No, because their are professional standards to that industry as well. And I don't even want to mention the food industry.
In the end, race has nothing to do with it. People may assume that a person that cares about how they come across, will care about their responsibilities. The only way you know someone's character is by spending time with them. That would be hard in some situations. So all you do have is a first impression and while that isn't guaranteed to who that person is, it is at least something. So it is better to make a good first impression, instead of the "I'm not changing for anyone" *ATTITUDE!!!*
Well said.
Understanding comes both ways, just you tweaking your words isn’t enough. There are always going to be people that don’t try. The whole white people voice was just a joke on changing ones voice totally different to appeal to the greater masses. This video is rather dramatic, everyone has to change their voice to be understood by people, that’s how conversation happens. You transfer mind goop into words to transfer a message.
But it’s RaCiST how can you not see everything in the world is RaCIst