As a survivor myself i fully agree, Angel doesnt need a boyfriend, he needs a social circle that expects nothing from him and gives him support, cant speak for everyone but for me its been over 7 years since i was abused and i still have a fucked up relationship with intimacy, so there is no way in hell Angel is managing to fall in love while activley being abused (which is something people tend to forget, Angel is still being activley abused daily off screen)
@BreadBush Wishing you the best in recovery! I have no experience with this sort of trauma myself, but I have indeed heard that victims have big problems with romance as a direct result of it, and I felt like Angel would be one of these people. I also know that hypersexuality can also sometimes be a side effect. Thanks so much for providing your input!
@@BreadBush as a fellow survivor i still think that you're overgeneralizing experiences. in the nicest way possible i acknowledge that you say "i can't speak for everyone, but for me" - but then you directly follow up with there being "no way in hell" that angel could fall in love whilst being a victim of abuse. there is a way, as this same thing has happened to me and many other people and since then i've been in a very happy and healthy relationship with my partner and it has been helping me a lot with overcoming my personal issues and healing my trauma of touch at least a bit. angel needs people who support him, i agree, and angel doesn't NEED a boyfriend, but he very well CAN have one as long as they support him, care for him and genuinely like him for who he is and not his body.
@partyguestt I think you missed the part where they said "while actively being abused". You describe how you have a partner *now* and it helps cope with your trauma, and please do correct me if I'm wrong, but this was an event that happened in the past, yes? Angel is currently "living" (not really but you know) through abuse right now, it's not like he's past it and is coping with the repercussions. The situation in that case is very different.
@@TrueJP13 in a respectful way, i think you missed the part where they said "fall in love", not "get into a relationship". falling in love isn't the same as outright dating somebody, it's a process where you begin to have deep feelings. and my point was the fact they treated it as if a victim of abuse, whether past or ongoing, is incapable of demonstrating or experiencing feelings or romantic relationships without turmoil. it's different for everybody, there's no "one" way to be a victim, if that makes sense - while i was a victim of abuse which was a frequent thing over my life, i could still very much feel attraction to people and romantic interest and pursue relationships. to act as if angel is incapable or wouldn't understand the concept of a healthy relationship strictly because he's a victim is a babying act, which doesn't help victims any further. people work through and past things differently. and before you get the implication, i'm not trying to argue! simply educate. i feel like i need to mention this much as tone over the internet is unreadable haha
@@partyguestt It's fine; plenty of people take conversations like these as an opportunity to argue about things that quite frankly don't matter. After all, the word "argument" doesn't even solely mean a rude back-and-forth exchange, it also means "position". Everyone loves negativity, don't they? Anyway, I agree that it's not impossible for Angel to have romantic attraction to anyone, and just to clarify, that wasn't my argument in the video itself. I'm sure he could... but like, not now. Not based on how he acts in Season 1, at least. I really don't see any romantic implications in any of what he's said thus far. Granted, this is just how I read into it, but my reading is that Angel is doing what he does to everyone else because it's funny and he's putting on his charade. I feel like we'd be able to differentiate between obscene flirting and genuine romantic attraction, and I can't say that I see said differentiation right now. But regardless, I think we should let survivors of this stuff (yourself and the original commenter) say whatever they're thinking, because everyone's experience is unique. And I really doubt that the commenter was trying to say "it's completely impossible". Bad wording, but I think they were trying to say "based on my experience, it's incredibly unrealistic for him to fall in love in this situation." Which is totally valid. Not that I'm trying to speak on behalf of them; if anything I'd prefer if they respond themselves. It's kind of funny how something as seemingly inconspicuous as pairing up two frictional people who did horrible things in life who are now literally dead, can lead to serious discussions about SA and its consequences. And I think we can agree that we're at least handling the topic better than Vivienne is.
In the original concepts of Hazbin, Husker was originally meant to be Angel’s ‘father mentor’ character. *100%* better than him being Angel’s ship. Not to mention how Angel barely respected Husk’s boundaries with all the flirting which he clearly hated.
my worry with huskerdust is husk basically turning into millie-- a character only there to serve the story of their more popular/angsty partner. i want husk to be his own character, i want HIS struggles and trauma to be focused on too and i'm scared he'll just become angel dust's Protective Boyfriend™️ and nothing else
I thought the same thing, he's supposed to be a really closed off character so I found it weird he out of the blue connected with Angel when he's given him no practical reason to. I feel like given that Angel seems to have more empathy between the sinners in the hotel, I felt we needed to give Husk a reason to be there for Angel for once when Angel is the one in danger, it should've been the other way round in my opinion. I don't think these two are the worst ship but Angel definitely needs to recover from the sheer signs of being a broken sinner....so healing would've been a more realistic route.
Don’t worry, he’s a boy with trauma of his own! Of course Viv is going to focus on him for at least one episode, and then he’ll be able to be that. :D :) :( :,(
I don't ship it though, As I see Husker more of a victim to Angel dust as Angel dust has kind of harassed him, but them being friends is what I expect. I don't want everything to be gay... :
Remember guys. The same show that shows SA as something traumatic at the same time has scenes like when Sir Pentious got dragged by force to a bedroom. And that's LOL FUNNY HAHA LMAO TWO DICKS.
Like someon says showing angel saving sir pent would be of impact respect Nifty which she is stronger than look, she is under alastor so Val cannot do so much;ending in battle between ecahother, Val is bussiness man he would avoid. Or making a ser pent commeted demons who dragged him thought it was no-cos play but when he told again no, they let him go showuing this good size of demons that hasn't been show in show yet
Like. Oh man the DOUBLE STANDARD. Charlie is so casual with the confessed sociopath murderer cannibal but the abusive pimp is too much for her. Double standard. Didn't ya say "in every demon there's a rainbow?" Where's his rainbow though? Charlie gets relationship lessons from ANOTHER CANNIBAL. And again when it's any other character the abuse is played for laughs. But if it's Angel then owwww the trauma.
Charlie reacted the same way with Adam..... I think is perfectly normal to want to tear a new one on someone that mistreats an close friend in front of your face.
I agree, Angel needs mostly friends and the whole ship with Husk and Angel dust just seem so… off to me. I see them more as friends or Husk being a old gumpy but nice family member to Angel rather than shipping them.
Considering when they both died and angel's human age and husks human age they were probably born around the same time, so I always kinda see them as good friends. There's probably a lot to talk about between them
I always saw Husk as an old, drunky uncle and angel as a young twink. This ship dynamic was,,,not very appealing to me, to say the least. Also, I don't think Angel is as deep a character as the Fandom believes, his trauma feels fetishized and not researched properly.
@@justzombie7594I do agree with that to an extent but realistically don't most of the canon ships in hazbin have big age gaps though?Charlie is over 200 years old we don't know how old Vaggie is but she's younger than her, Lucifer was probably hundreds of years older than Lilith, everyone in hell is way older than they look tbf
When I heard of the ship for the first time, the first thought I had was "I don't see chemistry between these two; unlike StaticMoth" and now I know why I didn't see it.
Idk dude, why do i feel like most of Husk's purpose in season 1 was just for Angel's development? I swear if he's one of those characters who was made just for shipping 💀
I ship them but i dont want them to become canon bc tbh i agree with everything you said about the ship. I hate it when shippers need everything they ship to become canon, the fun of shipping is to see diff dynamics that you dont see in the show (and for fun)
@tikimillie dude, yeah, im aroace, and people shipping him is so annoying bc we just never get aroace rep *EVER* I dont care if ppl do it in private or just for fun but like i said in my orogonal comment shippers get SO WEIRD about their ships needing to be canon or having their ship be the "most canon" and it ends up super disrespectful to the aroace character. Sometimes i really worry that viv is gonna get influenced by them and give him a canon ship just bc of the fanbase, and i think that'd be the final straw for me with that show. People always hate aroace / ace people in general 🙄 its so weird, and it usually comes from within the lgbtq+ community
I'm an aroaceage RadioApple shipper and I agree. If Alastor ever does anything romantic in canon I'll riot. I need that representation even if it's far from perfect. But I will also enjoy my fanfics and fanart. It's a peaceful life.
@@holy.diever Dude exactly this!!! Although there’s very few pairings I truly ship nowadays, it’s still ships that I would be hella uncomfortable becoming canon because it would mess with the story. It’s the same thing with headcanons.
I wouldn't say dad, more Like a Mentor. I do believe Angel desire for a hot older Daddy probably comes from His Daddy issues and how He constantly seeks Male validation through Sex. That's Just my Interpretation.
sa victim myself and i have struggle with relationships. I’m in a long distance relationship with my girlfriend and she knows not to call me any names that *he* called me. angel needs a friend and *NOT* a boyfriend. Sa and rape victims have struggle with relationships, or atleast i do. knowing how i feel being in a relationship with having that trauma i feel so uncomfy just thinking of having a girlfriend / boyfriend while i go through that, which i don’t. I feel like the people who write angel just don’t understand or educated themself on sa and the impact it leaves you, i’m hyper sexual but i don’t waddle up to people and make them uncomfortable. just leaves a bad taste in my mouth with them making it and excuse to make him flirty, or so it seems.
@@zoellafletcher People have been shipping siblings with each other man. Like Dexter Morgan and his sister...and brother for example. Majority of CANON media lets friends be friends and normalizes that. What is outside of that, is different. Ik Husk and Dust is going to be a canon relationship, but you're acting as though because a fandom of people ship friends together that means there's no representation of friendship to be founded. All of most are media have friends of the same sex, as strictly friends. That doesn't change because people ship them online. If you have an issue with people shipping, then genuinely try to grow up. Shipping wars and all this shit is ridiculous and meaningless when the original story doesn't intend to pair two characters together.
I agree with everything, but i see many people complaining about the wrong issue: their age gap, which is literally a non issue in their case 💀, it's possibly the least controversial aspect of their relationship. Husk is stated to be in his 60s/70s biologically, and he died in the 1970s, which means he was born around the 1900s/1910s, Angeldust is stated to be biologically in his 30s, and died in 1948, which means he was born around the 1910s aswell, he just happened to die sooner than Husk. Angeldust is younger than Husk, but not by THAT much, they're much closer in age than people like to believe, on top of that, they're both actually nearly a century old in total, if not older, and met eachother as completely grown adults. If ya'll wanna complain about Huskerdust, do it for the actual problems the ship has 💀, not for their age gap, which is perfectly acceptable given context.
Absolutely agree with all these points !! It’s absolutely an unnecessary distraction with 0 romantic chemistry. They both need a friend to look up to, not a romantic partner.
Honestly, I totally agree with you. Some of my friends are Radiodust shippers. I don’t ship Radiodust, it’s weird. Some of my other friends are Huskerdust shippers. I don’t really ship Huskerdust as much as I used to because I don’t care about ships at this point... Similar to how I used to be a hardcore Radioapple hater. I really don’t care anymore. Shipping in the Hazbin Hotel fandom has become a big deal when they’re just cartoon characters (though, some people *do* connect with certain characters.) It still annoys me when people say their ship is canon even if it’s not. If Huskerdust becomes canon, I wouldn’t really care. Sure, I used to ship Huskerdust, but now it kind of disgusts me. Same with Cherrisnake. I used to ship it, but now it’s kind of just… I don’t know, there? I’ve started distancing myself from the fandom due to all these toxic shippers (toxic ships as well.) But uhh, thanks for making this video, it helped me find people with similar opinions to mine.
urgh as an aro victim of m0lestation i hate how people turn a character being comforted into like . a romance thing. i will articulate my thoughts better later tmrw.
I'm personally a little hesitant to ship husker dust considering how Angel was sexually harassing husk. He doesn't deserve that Angel should've apologized to him. 😔
I’m mostly okay with the ship, like I don’t hate it or bash it However, I do believe Angel just needs a friend as of right now If Viv wants them to be boyfriends, then at least I hope it’s not rushed
I'm bisexual, I love Chaggie, I love Staticmoth (Vox x Val), and I love the show, but the double standards and hypocrisy are ridiculous. Angel literally sexually harasses Husk for the first half of the season, and that gets played off as "flirting" or "omg an old married couple" because Angel as trauma but let me tell you what would happen if Valentino was revealed to have a tragic backstory.... Everyone would say "that doesn't excuse his actions" where was that logic when Angel Dust repeatedly invaded everyone in the Hotel's boundaries, as well as the person he's supposed to be in love with and that gets ignored because "that's how he shows affection"? That excuse, my ass. Trauma does NOT justify actions; it explains it but does not justify. If Angel had apologized for sexually harassing everyone or it's brought up more, then I wouldn't have this issue, but IT DOESN'T. Everyone was obviously uncomfortable and that gets played off as a sex joke, but with Valentino, we're supposed to take it seriously. Angel signed up for the job, he got himself in that situation, the others did nothing to deserve to be harassed. (I'm not on Valentino's side, I'm just saying). If Husk was a woman, tell me how much differently the internet would act. Also, I don't care that "they're both adults", Husk is frickin 70 years old. It's super weird, and their designs make it obvious.
I feel like this is the issue with the majority of the fandom being teenagers/young adults, y'all do not have the life experience to differentiate between these things or understand how this stuff plays out in real life because you've only witnessed it from a very limited perspective. Angel Dust lacks sexual boundaries, Valentino is controlling and physically and emotionally abusive, these are very, very different things. Angel Dust is easy to forgive because outside of his difficulties with sexual boundaries, he's a pretty likeable, if a little fucked up, person. Valentino is an asshole whose connections are all built on a desire for power and control. I literally witnessed a similar situation play out irl where the older person was a woman and it was not fucking pretty, but I have a really hard time blaming the boy because of the serious sexual abuse history he had. He was actually more abusive than Angel Dust also, and had some seriously controlling and manipulative tendencies. But he was a teenager stuck in an abusive home whose parents were both in prison and whose hobbies included sending nudes to 40 year old men because "it was funny". You cannot look at that and not just worry for his safety, genuinely. For the record, almost everyone sided with him in the situation, so your assumptions about how people would take it if Husk's gender was switched aren't necessarily accurate. Angel Dust needs to have some firm boundaries set with him to reset his assumptions about and approach to relationships, and that's what Husk is doing. He's not a bad or malicious person like Valentino, he's just stupid and trying to cope with abuse in a variety of fucked up and unhealthy ways. I'm pretty sure the entire point of the show is that this doesn't define him, and that he can change and grow when given the right environment and support.
@@butasimpleidiotwizard While I do understand where you're coming from and agree with most of your point, that still doesn't excuse the way the fandom babies Angel Dust, as if he hasn't done bad stuff as well. They're quick to point fingers at Valentino and Blitz but the second Alastor or someone else they like does the same thing, they're praised and adored. (Again, not condoning ANYTHING that Val or Blitz has done, they're shitty, I know that, but they take that bias way too far) As for why I hate this ship, when I was younger, my sister always catcalled me. She said stuff like "omg look at those titties" or would smack my behind randomly and moan. I tried to be patient with her, especially since we (as a family) were dealing with a huge adjustment and she had no friends/was going through hormones, but she just continued to invade my boundaries, even after I said I was uncomfortable. I got the same vibes from Huskerdust. Until that it is proven that the moral of his story is that "his background doesn't define him" and he apologizes for sexually harassing Husk, then Huskerdust will always have a bad taste in my mouth.
@DaWeirdestShipper228 personally I don't think they should date regardless, I think Angel needs a friend who can say no to him, more than anything else. To be valued outside of a sexual/relationship context is necessary for him to learn boundaries I think, and learning boundaries is more important for him than romance. So I do agree that within the context of the show, at this stage a relationship between them would be unhealthy in a clunky, awkward, uncomfortable way and could not last long, because they haven't established clear boundaries, mutual trust, and honest communication yet. I just don't like viewing these characters in black and white because they represent the struggles of very real people, who are more complex than black and white. I also gotta say I strongly disagree with the fandom treating Blitz that negatively as well, Blitz has mad abandonment trauma, low self esteem, and an anxious/avoidant attachment style, some of the things he's done as a result are messed up, but no more so than what anyone else in either show has done. I don't like making it a game of having to condone or not condone certain actions when the core of the show is the feelings underlying them. Everyone does shitty things to protect their feelings sometimes, that's what makes it relatable. Alastor so far has no obvious or relatable motivations, he's just a little bit scary and weird, I don't really understand the fandoms obsession with woobifying him but maybe that's because I'm old enough to know better. He's fun sure, but he's not like. Particularly nice or forgivable. I think he's probably one of the more genuinely evil characters in the show ngl. I'm sorry you went through that with your sister, I don't think there are any good excuses for why she did that (hormones certainly aren't one), maybe she was just processing things that she was going through by taking them out on you, whatever it was it wasn't okay for her to cross your boundaries and make inappropriate comments like that. I can definitely understand how that experience would impact your perspective on this.
I feel like they should have them friends for a SUPER long time, and then towards the end of the series after apologizing, etc THEN MAYBE they could be a couple.
i honestly almost felt like shipping them becaus i didn't want to be the odd one in the fandom, but now that i see me and my bestie are not the only ones, i think i'll stay being a non-huskerdust shipper
That's way more empowering. Angel Dust is Desperate for Male validation and fails to have normal conversations with men, without making it sexual. He should learn to be single and See how helpful IT actually is.
I agree he should stay single, yes we know that angel and husk are "meant for each other" but c’mon man, all what I can see is that Husk and Angel are more friends than lovers, these two can relate to each other’s struggles. Angel already struggled times from times, I feel like he rather get therapy or any help on his social path other than smooching husk…sorry Huskerdust shippers T-T Plus I wouldn’t think Angel or Husk would fall for each other easily unless there’s hinted feelings in the show, Husk seems to be comfortable around with Angel now that things worked out. I figured that Angel rather stays confident in himself, maybe see if he can apologize and then see if he gets redeemed. Though personally I wouldn’t mind Husk being a comfort friend but however I feel like we should wait for any hints…canon or not, if you really want to make sure the ship is canon, gotta make sure to add hinted feelings or any affections to the characters.
@@laurav5767 sadly not, maybe there are some in the sloth ring considering there’s a hospital there but I’m not sure if sinners can travel ring to ring 😭
Honestly, I won’t lose my marbles if it becomes canon (bc idrc and ik it will be canon in season 2) I was just pissed angel never actually apologized. Like bro if husk was a straight female and angel was a straight male everyone would say “VIVZE IS SO TERRIBLE THIS IS SA1!!1” like bro. Also if angel harasses husk it’s seen as “huskerdust!11!” But if angel gets harassed by Val it’s serious and sad? NOT SAYING ANGEL SHOULD BE HARASSED, VAL IS TERRIBLE ‼️‼️‼️
yes i agree their close friends but i sometimes also see husk and angel as father son relationship if that makes sense, but i don't ship them, and i think why most people ship them is because of the song loser baby, yeah well my bestie also calls me weird nicknames, so i don't see it as romance, (but that's just my opion)
most people ship them because of the fact that huskerdust has literally been confirmed to be a slow-burn relationship that will develop over the course of the show, has many pieces of merchandise where the two are looking at each other more often than not, the way that the two of them look smitten at each other in season 1 episode 8, the fact husk was made SPECIFICALLY to be angel's boyfriend before hazbin was invented, along with the official instagram accounts that the two had(which aren't canon, but were made by people who worked on hazbin which is sort of telling). i fully accept and respect people that don't ship huskerdust, but you need to make a more educated guess outside of just the song - especially when there's a lot of hints and telltale signs and reasons as to why it's a popular pairing. again, don't take this as a sign to feel compelled to enjoy the ship - enjoy what you like! but i feel like a lot of people with this same opinion also assume that you can't still be best friends with your partner.
@@artistanthony1007 Yeah, but still, 30-70 is a huge age gap. And Angel does act immature for his age, and there examples in the show where Husk takes on a old mentor role towards him
@@toastysweaters5692 they are literally both grown and capable of giving consent, big age gaps aren't a problem or illegal or wrong if the two in question are consenting adults. also even if he's immature he's literally a pornstar??? not every adult is serious and dark and brooding. doesn't make them any less of an adult.
Also many people complain about the age gap between these two . Allegedly they are the same age only Angel passed way earlier than Husk thus he appears to be way younger than the other. Tho I'm not sure this info is a 100% true but if it is, it's certainly a "clever" way to justify the age gap (which I'm not really into tbh) but still
I really hope this ship doesnt become canon. Angel needs a friend, not a boyfriend and even beyond that the age gap is just weird. A teacher mentor relationship is just better in every way
I agree with this video but never said in any comments on any forums. Last time criticized a ship i got so much backlash from shippers and fans of the Male lead They wanted me to neutrally listen to their points and views but wouldnt reciprocate and kept telling me how wrong i am then it just kept becoming more of a one way street even after i pointed out my relationship was similar to the leads how toxic it was yet they still told me how wrong i am and lectured me as if I'm a child that didnt know what they were talking about. They didnt want to agree to disagree finally stopped when i told them what they wanted to hear. Even after its acknowledged in the story the relationship was becoming toxic, the shippers/fans still justified it and saw any criticism as wrong.
@@TrueJP13 agree! also good job on your video, for me I'm a spidermoth guy but mostly because of old art that Vivzie herself did before she even came up with Hazbin Hotel
i find vivizie’s mentality on ships funny, she very much hates and loathes charlastor but she KNOWS it sells, so she has made a fair share of charlastor merch on her sharkrobot store and even a charlastor bait episode disguised as a “dad and daughter” episode before taking it back again in an interview following dad beat dad’s preview like lmaooo
I gotta say, this is a great comeback to your YT career as I do enjoy your new style and format of it! I’m looking forward to see what’s to come on this channel soon! Keep up the good work out there!
I don't like this ship because Angel doesn't respect Husker's boundaries, ignores his body language and can't accept a No for an answer. This is quite hypocritical if you consider what he went through. Just because Angel is an SA survivor and struggles with trauma doesn't give him a free card to do the same to others to make himself feel better.
People even try to excuse Angel's sexual harassment with how he was abused.. Yes, people who are sexually abused can be more hyper sexual, but that DOESN'T EXCUSE SEXUAL HARASSMENT
I feel like it undermines the point of his character: Angeldust was using hypersexuality as an unhealthy coping mechanism for an all sex life style. Getting a boyfriend isn't what he needs, he needs a bro who understands him.
I always said that the whole "I sold my soul to a psychopathic freak"//"And you think that makes you unique?" exchange is terrible. Alastor obviously tortures Husk in a different way but asking if being a survivor of the drugging and assault Valentino does "makes you unique" is not the best statement. The whole loser thing, it's like, we can be miserable together, but somehow feels like accepting your misery. Not to mention how awfully Angel Dust invades Husk and his personal space. It's not cute to me.
Viv's decisions to keep that in is sick, Idc they are Sinner Demons in Hell or this is an adult show, I care for better writing and understanding of characters like them than this garbage.
do i ship it? not really. i have not seen anything going on between them in the show romantically . they look more like they would be partners in crime over time. if it becomes canon then it's canon and we can't change it. if people love the ship that's fine but i like them as friends
I agree with everything you said! These are all valid points I wish the creator would acknowledge. I see them more as Bheem and Raju from RRR or Lee and Carter from Rush Hour. They have a bromance but they’re just really close friends. It’s okay when two pairings aren’t a couple.
Look, I respect your opinions. But viv has already announced that huskerdust will be Canon in the show. So saying "they're JUST really good friends" is incorrect for the entirety of their relationship. That's your headcanon, not the canon.
@@masterjordanva we KNOW it’s canon and that’s the problem. Viv can write it however she wants, but that doesn’t mean it’s a good idea. Them being just friends would be more healthy. But that’s just our two cents. Just because it’s canon, doesn’t mean we have to agree. Honestly, I think it just ruins their relationship and their characters for the reasons mentioned in this video. We just see them more as friends than bfs. No matter how they’re written, it just doesn’t feel right. So idc if it’s canon, because romance is the last they need between each other. They’re toxic af for each other. I know we still have season two, but unless there’s some improvement, I will not approve. I’ll accept it, but I won’t approve. And Viv is also toxic imo and it shows through her writing if she thinks Angel Dust disrespecting boundaries and sexually harassing people is “cute” and “funny”. And idc if he’s hypersexual, because I know people who are hypersexual and hate how he’s written. Especially since Angel himself knows how unpleasant it is. But I think the fact that you had to remind me what’s canon and headcanon shows that you don’t really respect my opinion. It’s called constructive criticism. Because, believe it or not, everybody needs to see and hear others perspectives so that there can be improvements. And the fact that Viv wrote Ozzie and Fizz the way she did shows she knows how to write healthy boundaries, consent, healthy relationships and not write toxicity as a joke. She just chooses not to for most characters. Say what you want about it being canon, but the valid points still stands. But it’s whatever. I choose not to be a sheep for the creators and think for myself. I’m not going to let the writing do the thinking for me just because it’s canon. People are free to like and hate what they want, but I am so sick and tired of people telling “b-but canon.” What about it? What’s your point? I’m sorry if I’m sounding harsh, but I’m tired of people reminding me it’s canon every time people like me have a say. I KNOW!!!! IDC!!!! I do love the show, and I do love the characters. That’s why I say the things I say and I just feel like some fans have more respect for the characters than the actual creator does. Just saying.
@ashebennett7726 You are so right about canon not necesarilly meaning something is good. But Husker and Angel are obviously the type of slown burn couple. They just became friends, and they are probably be briends still in S2. Why are we judging a ship that is not romantically canon yet? The potential is there. And it is clear that they still need more development, which is clear will happen before they are a couple. 😐
@@ashebennett7726 I disagree with them being "toxic af for each other" because the way angel deals with his self hatred is by putting on a mask of ego and glamor, and the way husk masks his problems is by being prickly to push people away. That sets up for so much potential understanding and connection building. And people also complain about husk being toxic in Loser, Baby. But I think those people either don't have life problems, or just don't understand mental health well, because as someone with trauma, ptsd, and an abuse victim I see why husk approached angel the way he did. Angel struggles with his self hatred and as said, hides it. Husk calling him a loser, giving reasons to back it up, and saying that he himself is also a loser makes angel realize "I hide myself because I don't want to be seen as a loser, but now I realize that I'm not alone in being a loser." Angel doesn't want to be alone, the way he uses his own body is a common thing that people do when they want to be validated and wanted. A lot of sex workers are hurting individuals who want to be understood and wanted. Angel acts with a front in an attempt to be stronger and more put together in front of other to not only lessen the blow of being hurt because if he was himself and vulnerable to people, things would hurt him more; but also because he wants to convince himself that he is the character he plays. Husk sees through this and basically says in loser, baby "yo, I see what you're going through, you're not alone, you are not this perfect sex doll, but a person who struggles, just like me." Which comforts angel because again, he realizes he doesn't need to be something he isn't. He has flaws and problems, and husk understands that. He shows angel that he is a loser, not out of being an asshole, but as a taste of reality. Because Husk wants angel to be real, and honest to not only husk, but himself. Now we do need to explore more of Husk, but we have already seen husk help angel through a hard time, which is why their relationship will work so well. They will understand, and help each other, through pain and hard times. Which is supported by a quote that goes something along the lines of "the darkest of times create the strongest of bonds."
@@UmikoElement because I don’t trust Viv’s toxicity. She gets some things right, but an example of how she presents SA victims and trauma victims is kind of disgusting. And there are people who come forward with their trauma that are disgusted with not only the ship, but the way Angel Dust and his trauma is written.
I like Husk and Angel as friends than boyfriends. Not just because I'm a Instagram Vox/Angel shipper. You know the one where "He who shall not be named" was beating Vox and Vox had a giant puppy shark. (I miss Vark 😢). Idk I just never felt that Angel and Husk had much of a connection to each other. But Angel definitely needs a friend more than a boyfriend at the moment. Though it's okay if the friend does turn into a boyfriend at the end though. But I don't really mind shipping as long as its not incest or CSA so I'm fine with people shipping Angel and Husk but I don't quite see them as a ship.
Haven’t watched the video yet but I agree with the title. Angel Dust doesn’t need a lover, he needs a friend. A friend that isn’t a bad influence. (sorry Cherri bomb)
I also do not like huskerdust and a current college freshman too LOL. I'm pretty sure that I saw Angel harrass Husk for the 1 millionth time and talk shit about him in a bar before Husk saved him from being drugged. Yes, I feel bad for his situation, but it doesn't excuse his behavior towards Husk whatsoever.
Has a Huskerdust shipper, I totally understand ur point! If they acc become canon I would be really happy, but if they dont I would understand, I can see them as friends too!
I agree with you, plus I have tbh I don't really ship Vaggie and Charlie that much because since they act more like best freinds than couples and not to mention how Charlie doesn't really always listen to Vaggie that includes her warnings about making a deal with Alastor. Other then that, I'm not saying that it's bad about Vaggie being protective or anything but it's always Vaggie being the overprotective gf and Charlie being the sweet little bean in the relantionship..I mean I'm not saying that you can't ship them or anything, but it' in my opinion
I’m surprised you’re impressed with Chaggie. I feel like they’re sooooooooo bland. Even when they were on shaky ground I was bored. Hopefully next season we see more chemistry, or more development of their individual characters. Also! Ive heard Husk is a cat because of how black cats are associated with both good and bad luck, depending on the culture. Gambling has a lot to do with luck, so I think his sinner-form makes more sense to me than any other character. Regarding HuskerDust - I do like their development, but they aren’t supposed to be “in love” yet. We are seeing the beginning stages of their friendship after overcoming their initial hostile dynamic. Character flaws/misunderstandings/conflict make the relationships between characters meaningful and interesting. Angel being a total douche and husk calling him out for it was vital for his growth. I think we aren’t going to see them confess/get together until the end of the show. This ship seems to be focused on the concept of seeing someone for who they are at their worst and still seeing their humanity/loving them anyway.
Great points! Yeah, I'll admit, Chaggie isn't particularly INTERESTING, but for me I actually kind of prefer that. I don't see anything wrong with having an "average" relationship in the series, I guess I just see those two as natural. I will agree, though, the conflict they had in episode 7 wasn't particularly engaging from my view either. Still, I like their dynamic. Season 2 is apparently going to have a "fun sexy song" between the two, which... not a big fan of, but we'll see how it pans out. Thanks for explaining why Husk is a cat, I wasn't totally sure about that one when writing this. And when you look at HuskerDust from the perspective of "they start out bad but grow over time," it might actually have a little merit. Of course, my opinion is based solely on Season 1, and how I really don't think it's a valuable pairing at this exact point in time. Now at the same time, if they were to get together at the end, like the middle of Season 4, that would mean we wouldn't get a lot of time to see them as an actual couple, which would probably disappoint those who had shipped them off the bat. So I'm not sure if that would be the best idea, but I still agree that Vivienne will probably wait for a little while before this goes further. Maybe Angel and/or Husk will have an ACTUAL shift in character traits (as in, not this random "I guess you have changed" comment in Season 1) in the latter of the series, and I can be able to say that a relationship feels more appropriate for them later. But I suppose that only time will tell.
@@TrueJP13 great point! I’ve always liked shows that portrayed the main interests as will-they-won’t-they, so I’m hoping for them to become an actual couple at the very end. If they get together early next season I’ll be a bit disappointed 🤷🏼♀️ great video!
While I do ship huskerdust, I ship it post-development. I feel that they need to further elaborate on angel dust and husks issues and eventually they build A bond together through those things and separate from those things. I feel like the only thing They have in common right now is that they both are under someone else’s control and that “loser” song which I don’t really like the messages of.
@@imgalxe I didn't know about your version until after this already came out 😭 I thought I was the first person to do this, but I was surprisingly incorrect
@@TrueJP13 oh no you’re all good lmao. I get it barely anybody shit talks HuskerDust which is so surprising because I think it’s obvious that the ship isn’t good
you are SO underrated? the editing in this video made it so entertaining ( i giggled plenty to the sudden pentious death scene pop ups every time he was mentioned 😭 ) & your takes are so real 😭😭🙏 subscriber gained :] keep it up!!
I’m a huskerdust enjoyer, but I respect everyone’s opinion and can see where everyone is coming from. For the most part I only ship canon ships but I’m open to listening to anyone’s perspective on shipping. (Except for Charlie X Lucifer or Charlie X Lilith, and any ¡nc3st ship the people who ship family members can go to a worse place than hell!)
So apparently I'm not a shipper, because I didn't see the possibility of romance between them. I like their dynamic now that Angel Dust mellowed out some towards the end of S1. I would much prefer friends to mentor/mentee, but romance doesn't seem like a good thing for either character at this point. Maybe in like, S3 we can see Angel Dust more healed and with a new boyfriend trying to court him, but no need to rush. 😊 Edit to add - have fun if this is your ship, though! Yall aren't hurting anybody!
I WANT them to be just friends. I hope one day Angel can get into a relationship but I really just want Husk to be his gateway into self love and acceptance. He needs a close/healthy non sexual friendship
im so glad im not the only one. I think i can see the potential, i just... don't think they should be like that for a long time. I really wish Angel had apologized for his behavior towards husk. I see so many people saying "their relationship is about consent, its the opposite of him and val" but like.... there was no apology for crossing all of his boundaries...
I definately see this more as a situationship or a companionship not a romanticship. First off Husk is literally old enough to be Angel's dad. Being part of a crime family Angel never had the best up bringing with a dad who is just as bad as Val...just with more hitting and violence and not so much the other stuff Val does on the regular. Ever since Angel arrived in Hell over seventy-years ago, he has pretty much been using sex work to get by and has had relationships that leave him feeling used and abused, or dropped when he is no longer worth having. Val is his current abuser and one he longs escape even if it means being erased. Still, even if Angel was to be free of his contract with Val within the events of the first episode of season 2. Angel is too messed up emotionally and mentally to be in any sort of physical relationship. However, someone who could be a father or mentor figure could would be a more possitive means to help Angel adjust to the fact he doesn't need to sell his body for survival or entertainment. He and learns to see who Anthony is outside of the Angel Dust persona and someone who could serve as an adviser in this process.
I know I'm gonna get attacked for this, but I honestly don't ship HuskerDust. In my opinion, if they were in a relationship, it would honestly be really awkward and unstable because not only is Angel selfish and doesn't know how to respect anyone's boundaries and always makes Husk uncomfortable, but even though they are not too old from each other, they still seem like such a different age. Angel is more like a hyperactive teenager and Husk is like an old man. As much as people say they do, they just don't mesh well like that. I can imagine them as really good, best buds. But not in a romantic relationship.
The entire universe thanks to Viv having control and writing is completely hypocritical and people saying it's Hell so bad behavior is fine is just going against that when someone like Angel harrasses someone, this official universe is complete axx and Viv is terrible as a writer, Idrc if anyone has a problem but that is the hard truth they need to realize: Viv is a terrible writer.
@@artistanthony1007Viv has a big problem, if there's no moral because "it's hell" why people should feel sorry for Angel? That makes a double standard. There are sinners worse than other sinners. And a story with no moral can't make characters grow or develop. Or they would do it backwards. But the show can't make the characters bad because the fans would hate them. So there must be people WORSE to balance the moral. And other characters are terrible people yet no one will ever make them have any consequences because lol random (cough cough ALASTOR)
@@maravreloaded Exactly. She wants us to feel bad for Angel when Valentino abuses him, but then when Angel sexually harasses/assaults other people, it's okay. And Viv's only excuse is "Oh well it's Hell so it doesn't really matter". Okay, so then why should we care if Angel is being abused? You know, since "It doesn't matter if they do bad things because it's Hell"? She is completely contradicting herself at this point.
i also always thought i would get attacked for saying that but now that i pointed my opinion out on this video i can finally find the people who agree with me, not that i hate people who ship it, i just want to find people who have the same intrest
I don't really like their dynamic either. The whole "You're a loser baby" thing feels like he's telling him. "Yeah, you get abused and used as a sex-toy and shit but so what? Suck it up because I'm going through the same thing" when Husk's position itself doesn't even seem horrible compared to what Angel goes through.
in the kindest way possible you missed the entire point of the "loser, baby" song and not only that, but it doesn't really take much of an einstein to realize that husk and angel dust are both in similar abusive relationships with the only exception that we know of being that husk isn't sexually assaulted. even then, there's no such thing as a "worse" trauma.
@@partyguestt My thing is with that is that Alastor hasn't shown to be abusive towards the souls he owns unless they outright disrespect them. Are you even go as far to accommodate them for their efforts by making them do favors for him such as allowing Husk to partake in Booze or stay comfortable at the hotel. Because in the end? He's still free to do whatever he wants as long he helps out. Hell, He CHOOSE to stay and fight and alastor didn't even force him or Nifty to stay and fight with him. I'm not saying that there comparing Trauma necessary. But their situations are completely different.
@@BLAZE_EDTIZ i'm not really sure if you actually watched the entirety of the series in full or simply watched a few cut-out clips and snippets of the show, because it is so abundantly clear that there are parallels between the way that valentino abuses angel, and the way that alastor abuses husk, and the reasoning behind why angel and husk get on and relate to eachother as much as they do. these parallels include husk and angel experiencing downtalking and degradation from their overlords, the two of them being yanked by their chains and tossed around like it's nothing, left shaking after being threatened ("you're lucky you make me money" in angel's case, and husk being threatened to face an otherwise eternal damnation if he's not "compliant" to alastor), alastor pushing husk's boundaries and continuously calling him "pet", and the fact that alastor quite literally uses husk's substance abuse as another method to shutting him up and forcing him to do as he wishes. and we don't even have to touch on the lyric "i'm trapped and it gets worse with every hour" in which they BOTH sing in "loser, baby", not just angel - which even so is less about abuse and more how *they* feel about *themselves* and how life for them is terrible between their addictions and the way they are treated and perceived, but they at least aren't alone in their struggles and have eachother to relate to. do you really not find the problem in knowing that alastor quite literally persuaded husk to do something he made it ABUNDANTLY CLEAR he didn't want to, by egging him on with a bar and alcohol, which husk is shown to be codependent on? husk quite literally says that he wouldn't be at the hotel in the beginning of the series if alastor wasn't making him, which should also ring alarms for you. he's exploiting husk, and even if he was "disrespected" that doesn't condone what alastor does to him because that is still abuse, and to say it's husk's fault is literally victimblaming. especially when angel himself has been implied inseries (and also in the "dirty healings" comic) to ALSO be defiant to valentino's word, but that doesn't mean he deserves it. alastor is an overlord which is a rank that's acquired through toppling others and owning souls whether it's through murder or a contractual thing, has been clarified to own his own radio talk show that he broadcasts the screams of his victims to, is very clearly sadistic and states repetitively that he's only at the hotel to watch charlie's goal fail and revel in the helplessness of other sinners, and more. and you still doubt that he could be abusive, which is outright shown? there's many more forms of abuse aside from sexual. nobody "deserves" or "earns" any kind of abuse or harassment. and if you say "it's hell", that doesn't change the fact that he is still abusive. you are just giving another reason as to "why".
Well, the "Loser" bit Is not because of what he's going rn, but rather because he got himself Into It (or at least that's what Husk knows). Sure, It's not a good method lmao, but It worked for him I guess
@@BLAZE_EDTIZ Uhh…Alastor is incredibly abusive towards Husk and that is shown throughout the show. Husk has said to Angel that he turned to alcohol to help solve his problems, something that alcoholics do, and where does Husk work? At a bar. Alastor uses Husk’s addiction against him. That is abuse. Husk is on a chain and was threatened to the point where he was SHAKING and was absolutely terrified. Alastor is clearly abusive
also to add on this and honestly, does anyone else find it creepy that husk calls angel “kid” as a nickname? Like he’s supposed to be 75 to 80 and angel dustbin his 30s idk if I was in a relationship with somebody that was younger than me, I wouldn’t call them kid sounds wrong
I also don’t ship them because I like the idea of them being just friends and also because of how angel treated husk in early episodes constantly crossing his boundaries
They're both grown men and are eternally young in Hell, you also seem to forget many grown adults look like a teen & sound high pitched or teenagers with adult like voices like with Kane Pixels.
huge age gaps literally do not matter legally if the relationship in question involves two consenting adults. also it's literally a canon pairing - even if you don't agree with it, and angel... can still actively have boyfriends? the difference is that he should stay away from giving in to his temptations and coping in unhealthy mechanisms.
@@partyguestthes in an abusive relationship. His point is to say that angel should develop platonic relationships first before thinking about dating cause coming out of an abusive relationship leaves you vulnerable to entering another one without time to heal
Although yes in hell they're having an age gap, they came from the same time period, angel just happened to die first and stopped aging (AD died in 1947 in his 30s, Husk died in 1970 in his 60s). But i agree that angel and husk fits better with having a friendship/found family relationship
Well, they were both born in a similar time but husk lived longer than angel so yes, they can in fact date and angel needs a bf like husk that cheers him up and make him feel better especially for what he's going through
You have no idea how refreshing it is to hear that someone else understands the platonic energy these two have😭😭😭 I’m not mlm, but I am queer, and normally I’ll go out of my way to headcanon queer relationships in shows based on believably romantic tension, but my initial reaction to the HuskerDust ship was honestly a little bit of shock. The fact that it existed didn’t surprise me as much as the idea that people genuinely thought that the text read as romantically coded. Personally, I couldn’t see it, even on a rewatch or two. They have such incredibly platonic energy in the series so far, and really that’s what they both need in their lives right now anyway. As much as I’d love more mlm rep in cartoons, I just don’t think these two a good match romantically. At least not long term. On personalities alone, they kinda clash a bit in a way that doesn’t seem sustainable in a romantic context. As things currently stand, I could only see it feeling really forced or unnatural for their characters to gravitate toward each other in that way since they’ve barely interacted due to the 8 episode limit (which I could be proven wrong about, and I’m willing to have my mind changed), or they could do a really smart and interesting thing and make them try but it ends in disaster. After watching the show and seeing the shipping and insistence on HuskerDust being canon, I imagined the possibility of a one-sided romance where Angel fell in love with Husk, but Husk doesn’t quite feel the same way. The reason why could be partially due to the fact that Angel is in a really insecure place still, and he could latch on to Husk while not understanding that part of that attachment is just rooted in desperation to feel like someone could value him for more than just his body. Meanwhile, Husk is just sort of like “oh, we had a good thing going as friends and I really don’t want to hurt you since I know you’re in a fragile place, but I don’t feel the same way.” I think that could make for an interesting opportunity for someone like Charlie and/or Vaggie to talk to either or both of the characters and offer some insight on what to do. They could advise honesty, but also bracing for the possibility that things may not work out in quite the way they imagine, and that it’ll still be okay either way. I think that’d be cool! It could help center some of the goals of the hotel, while also giving Charlie and/or Vaggie some more relatable, down to earth situations to deal with, and giving Charlie an opportunity to practice her problem-solving skills in a real and actually helpful way, rather than her initial attempts in season 1. I also think it’d be a great opportunity to bond the whole cast more and give them reasons to all stay connected outside of just being trapped in a situation that keeps them in the hotel. Overall, I kind of like that option. It shows that romance isn’t going to solve all your problems, but deep and meaningful friendships can still be just as valuable in getting you through difficult times. Plus all the different complex development that could occur from that kind of interpersonal drama would be great! And the fallout of some awkwardness between Husk and Angel after the rejection before they get back into a rhythm again with their friendship could be so cool to explore. I don’t have faith that they’d give an appropriate amount of time and care into the writing of stuff like that, but it seems kinda cool in theory at least. It was just an initial thought, so it’s not a perfect idea, but I think it’s neat. Another option could be that they have a “friends with benefits” thing going for a bit before in some way it falls apart disastrously. It seemed like they tried to add a bit of tension during the “you really have changed” scene, so if we wanted to build on that in a way that feels natural for these very different characters, I could see it becoming an unrequited romance as previously mentioned, just with the added context of hooking up. Either Husk or Angel could fall in love though. I could see Husk falling in that context tbh, since that level of intimacy would feel so much more personal ,but honestly it could go either way. Or maybe they both fall in love but don’t know how to tell each other at first. Then confessions happen, they try making things a bit more official, but then there could be dramatic tension with how Husk feels about Angel’s job and them not being exclusive (if he’s monogamous), or just generally more inevitable follow-up on the whole thing with Val and how Husk feels about it. Idk, there’s lots of possibilities for exploring very complex and interesting dynamics between these two if romance doesn’t work out, and it could be in a more realistic way and not a sitcom-y miscommunication trope way. There’s a lot of potential. Either way, I do like and appreciate some of the fanart at least. The shippers make these two appear very sweet together and that’s nice. I just personally don’t connect with the ship in its current state. They seem way better as just good friends right now, and I think adding romance to the mix would play with their emotions in their vulnerable states in an unhealthy way (if we’re to assume the writers are good and want to portray some amount of realistic emotion, anyway). I think there’s some good potential dramatic tension either way, but they really don’t seem to have anything in common other than “hey, I’m traumatized” and “oh hey, me too!” Which isn’t the most stable foundation with which to build a romantic partnership. I could maybe be convinced otherwise if we get to know these characters better. Maybe show that they have common hobbies or something. That would help. Anyway, I’ve rambled enough lol, good video
I just started the video and I already agree like “YES.” People should normalize platonic ships though because people cling too much on the romantic and sexual aspects of ships. Most characters I support ships of in the platonic regard.
I hate huskerdust and Radiodust, it just makes me feel dirty since they're older than angel. Everytime I say that, fans wanna "correct" me. But if anything, I prefer TravisDust. I mean he litterally works with the dude now.
Angel dust being like 30 hears old and husker being 70 years old when they died disturbs me.. and the excuse of "well their in hell!" Wont change that.
As a survivor myself i fully agree, Angel doesnt need a boyfriend, he needs a social circle that expects nothing from him and gives him support, cant speak for everyone but for me its been over 7 years since i was abused and i still have a fucked up relationship with intimacy, so there is no way in hell Angel is managing to fall in love while activley being abused (which is something people tend to forget, Angel is still being activley abused daily off screen)
@BreadBush Wishing you the best in recovery! I have no experience with this sort of trauma myself, but I have indeed heard that victims have big problems with romance as a direct result of it, and I felt like Angel would be one of these people. I also know that hypersexuality can also sometimes be a side effect. Thanks so much for providing your input!
@@BreadBush as a fellow survivor i still think that you're overgeneralizing experiences. in the nicest way possible i acknowledge that you say "i can't speak for everyone, but for me" - but then you directly follow up with there being "no way in hell" that angel could fall in love whilst being a victim of abuse. there is a way, as this same thing has happened to me and many other people and since then i've been in a very happy and healthy relationship with my partner and it has been helping me a lot with overcoming my personal issues and healing my trauma of touch at least a bit. angel needs people who support him, i agree, and angel doesn't NEED a boyfriend, but he very well CAN have one as long as they support him, care for him and genuinely like him for who he is and not his body.
@partyguestt I think you missed the part where they said "while actively being abused". You describe how you have a partner *now* and it helps cope with your trauma, and please do correct me if I'm wrong, but this was an event that happened in the past, yes? Angel is currently "living" (not really but you know) through abuse right now, it's not like he's past it and is coping with the repercussions. The situation in that case is very different.
@@TrueJP13 in a respectful way, i think you missed the part where they said "fall in love", not "get into a relationship". falling in love isn't the same as outright dating somebody, it's a process where you begin to have deep feelings. and my point was the fact they treated it as if a victim of abuse, whether past or ongoing, is incapable of demonstrating or experiencing feelings or romantic relationships without turmoil. it's different for everybody, there's no "one" way to be a victim, if that makes sense - while i was a victim of abuse which was a frequent thing over my life, i could still very much feel attraction to people and romantic interest and pursue relationships. to act as if angel is incapable or wouldn't understand the concept of a healthy relationship strictly because he's a victim is a babying act, which doesn't help victims any further. people work through and past things differently. and before you get the implication, i'm not trying to argue! simply educate. i feel like i need to mention this much as tone over the internet is unreadable haha
@@partyguestt It's fine; plenty of people take conversations like these as an opportunity to argue about things that quite frankly don't matter. After all, the word "argument" doesn't even solely mean a rude back-and-forth exchange, it also means "position". Everyone loves negativity, don't they?
Anyway, I agree that it's not impossible for Angel to have romantic attraction to anyone, and just to clarify, that wasn't my argument in the video itself. I'm sure he could... but like, not now. Not based on how he acts in Season 1, at least. I really don't see any romantic implications in any of what he's said thus far. Granted, this is just how I read into it, but my reading is that Angel is doing what he does to everyone else because it's funny and he's putting on his charade. I feel like we'd be able to differentiate between obscene flirting and genuine romantic attraction, and I can't say that I see said differentiation right now.
But regardless, I think we should let survivors of this stuff (yourself and the original commenter) say whatever they're thinking, because everyone's experience is unique. And I really doubt that the commenter was trying to say "it's completely impossible". Bad wording, but I think they were trying to say "based on my experience, it's incredibly unrealistic for him to fall in love in this situation." Which is totally valid. Not that I'm trying to speak on behalf of them; if anything I'd prefer if they respond themselves.
It's kind of funny how something as seemingly inconspicuous as pairing up two frictional people who did horrible things in life who are now literally dead, can lead to serious discussions about SA and its consequences. And I think we can agree that we're at least handling the topic better than Vivienne is.
I wholeheartedly agree, Angel Dust needs a friend more than a boyfriend.
Definitely!
Someone he can relate to
Isn't that all they are? Angel and husker don't seem like anything more than friends...
@@RandomDrawer_tmBut since Viv Is the biggest Wattpad writer of her own works, she'll 100% make them a couple despite the fact they shouldn't be
In the original concepts of Hazbin, Husker was originally meant to be Angel’s ‘father mentor’ character. *100%* better than him being Angel’s ship. Not to mention how Angel barely respected Husk’s boundaries with all the flirting which he clearly hated.
my worry with huskerdust is husk basically turning into millie-- a character only there to serve the story of their more popular/angsty partner. i want husk to be his own character, i want HIS struggles and trauma to be focused on too and i'm scared he'll just become angel dust's Protective Boyfriend™️ and nothing else
As a hardcore huskerdust shipper I'm actually scared of that too
Yea Poor Millie
I thought the same thing, he's supposed to be a really closed off character so I found it weird he out of the blue connected with Angel when he's given him no practical reason to. I feel like given that Angel seems to have more empathy between the sinners in the hotel, I felt we needed to give Husk a reason to be there for Angel for once when Angel is the one in danger, it should've been the other way round in my opinion. I don't think these two are the worst ship but Angel definitely needs to recover from the sheer signs of being a broken sinner....so healing would've been a more realistic route.
No need to worry, that's already the case. You can't find a single piece of Husk fan media that doesn't include angel
Don’t worry, he’s a boy with trauma of his own! Of course Viv is going to focus on him for at least one episode, and then he’ll be able to be that.
:D :) :( :,(
It feels like this fandom cant handle it when two characters are just friends
That's true with every fandom
huskerdust is bound to be canon tho
That's what happens when your show is so obscenely sexual every character talks about who fμ¢ks who and who doesn't.
@@Morpholuvvs I hope not.
I don't ship it though, As I see Husker more of a victim to Angel dust as Angel dust has kind of harassed him, but them being friends is what I expect. I don't want everything to be gay... :
FINALLY PEOPLE WHO AGREE, I literally said to my friend I don’t ship them and they got so mad wtf 💀🤦
As a person who ships huskerdust٫ honestly٫ your friend should respect your opinion
I ship huskerdust but people like your freinds take ships too seriously
It isn't the worst thing ever to like the ship, but gee. Your friend needs to get a grip. We're talking about furry demons in "hell" here
I mean this fanbase gets so mad about ships it's insane, unfortunately if you like a ship or not just keep it to yourself 'cause they'll slander you
I told my siblings that I don’t ship them and they acted like I’m the biggest horrible person ever.
Remember guys. The same show that shows SA as something traumatic at the same time has scenes like when Sir Pentious got dragged by force to a bedroom. And that's LOL FUNNY HAHA LMAO TWO DICKS.
Yeah I always hated that it ruins what the show was trying to do
I think Viv likes to work backwards from jokes or characters she had in her head ages ago and doesn’t consider how they fit in the overall narrative.
Like someon says showing angel saving sir pent would be of impact respect Nifty which she is stronger than look, she is under alastor so Val cannot do so much;ending in battle between ecahother, Val is bussiness man he would avoid. Or making a ser pent commeted demons who dragged him thought it was no-cos play but when he told again no, they let him go showuing this good size of demons that hasn't been show in show yet
Like. Oh man the DOUBLE STANDARD.
Charlie is so casual with the confessed sociopath murderer cannibal but the abusive pimp is too much for her. Double standard.
Didn't ya say "in every demon there's a rainbow?" Where's his rainbow though? Charlie gets relationship lessons from ANOTHER CANNIBAL.
And again when it's any other character the abuse is played for laughs. But if it's Angel then owwww the trauma.
Yes goodness all of this!
Charlie reacted the same way with Adam..... I think is perfectly normal to want to tear a new one on someone that mistreats an close friend in front of your face.
Deadpool and Wolverine did it better
BAHAHAHAHA 💀 honestly
LMAO WHY IS THIS AO TRUE 😭
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URE RIGHT THO THEY ACTUALLY DID BAHHAHAHA
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I see Husk more as a Mentor figure to Angel than anything
I agree, Angel needs mostly friends and the whole ship with Husk and Angel dust just seem so… off to me. I see them more as friends or Husk being a old gumpy but nice family member to Angel rather than shipping them.
Considering when they both died and angel's human age and husks human age they were probably born around the same time, so I always kinda see them as good friends. There's probably a lot to talk about between them
I hope Viv at least changed their ages in the current version of the show, because their age difference is very... disturbing
I always saw Husk as an old, drunky uncle and angel as a young twink. This ship dynamic was,,,not very appealing to me, to say the least. Also, I don't think Angel is as deep a character as the Fandom believes, his trauma feels fetishized and not researched properly.
@@SashaHall-c6m Yeah, i agree.
@@justzombie7594I do agree with that to an extent but realistically don't most of the canon ships in hazbin have big age gaps though?Charlie is over 200 years old we don't know how old Vaggie is but she's younger than her, Lucifer was probably hundreds of years older than Lilith, everyone in hell is way older than they look tbf
When I heard of the ship for the first time, the first thought I had was "I don't see chemistry between these two; unlike StaticMoth" and now I know why I didn't see it.
Dude😂 i know right?
@@laurav5767 I literally had second hand confusion 😂
StaticMoth is just soo bad but soo good😭 they manage to have insane chemistry while being so toxic and destructive
@@astrobookwormsingerFRRRR
Idk dude, why do i feel like most of Husk's purpose in season 1 was just for Angel's development? I swear if he's one of those characters who was made just for shipping 💀
I agree, the fandom was more interested in Huskerdust than Husk's actual Character and Deal with Alastor. That is clearly Bad writing, in my opinion.
I’m genuinely more interested in Husk’s character and it’s quite a shame that his character feels like this lol. He doesn’t feel that relevant
That's actually how Husk was made lol, Husk was originally an oc Viv's sis made for shipping with Angel
Honestly yeah, I like him and all but the fandom almost only cares about him because of Angel.
Lil bro was legit an oc made by vivziepop’s sister to ship angel with, safe to say that’s his purpose 💀💀
I like your hat
i agree
I ship them but i dont want them to become canon bc tbh i agree with everything you said about the ship.
I hate it when shippers need everything they ship to become canon, the fun of shipping is to see diff dynamics that you dont see in the show (and for fun)
Yeah… plus everyone is shipping the ace character which makes me uncomfortable as an ace character
@tikimillie dude, yeah, im aroace, and people shipping him is so annoying bc we just never get aroace rep *EVER*
I dont care if ppl do it in private or just for fun but like i said in my orogonal comment shippers get SO WEIRD about their ships needing to be canon or having their ship be the "most canon" and it ends up super disrespectful to the aroace character. Sometimes i really worry that viv is gonna get influenced by them and give him a canon ship just bc of the fanbase, and i think that'd be the final straw for me with that show.
People always hate aroace / ace people in general 🙄 its so weird, and it usually comes from within the lgbtq+ community
I'm an aroaceage RadioApple shipper and I agree. If Alastor ever does anything romantic in canon I'll riot. I need that representation even if it's far from perfect. But I will also enjoy my fanfics and fanart. It's a peaceful life.
@@holy.diever Dude exactly this!!! Although there’s very few pairings I truly ship nowadays, it’s still ships that I would be hella uncomfortable becoming canon because it would mess with the story. It’s the same thing with headcanons.
And here I am, ready to start a riot if most of what I ship ever becomes canon lol
Yes I am an avid fanfiction reader
Finally someone that also shares the same thoughts, to me, Husk is more like a dad to Angel than a boyfriend
I wouldn't say dad, more Like a Mentor. I do believe Angel desire for a hot older Daddy probably comes from His Daddy issues and how He constantly seeks Male validation through Sex. That's Just my Interpretation.
Angel died in his 30s, they are both literally dads because no longer the age they died.
I see husk as an older brother to Angel
@@sakoholtian2305 true💯
@@artistanthony1007fun fact Cherri Bomb was gonna be Angel's daughter until Vivzie completely changed her character
sa victim myself and i have struggle with relationships.
I’m in a long distance relationship with my girlfriend and she knows not to call me any names that *he* called me.
angel needs a friend and *NOT* a boyfriend. Sa and rape victims have struggle with relationships, or atleast i do. knowing how i feel being in a relationship with having that trauma i feel so uncomfy just thinking of having a girlfriend / boyfriend while i go through that, which i don’t.
I feel like the people who write angel just don’t understand or educated themself on sa and the impact it leaves you, i’m hyper sexual but i don’t waddle up to people and make them uncomfortable. just leaves a bad taste in my mouth with them making it and excuse to make him flirty, or so it seems.
Sorry for what happened to you,hope you are okay now❤
I ship huskerdust platonicly, Theyre more like besties, like husk is the overprotective one and angel is the one always getting into trouble
Platonic ships should be normalized more
Same
@@mysryuza ...They are.
@@lifeisadrag7705 they rlly arent, literally when ppl see two ppl being friends they instantly make it a romantic ship instead of platonic
@@zoellafletcher People have been shipping siblings with each other man. Like Dexter Morgan and his sister...and brother for example.
Majority of CANON media lets friends be friends and normalizes that. What is outside of that, is different. Ik Husk and Dust is going to be a canon relationship, but you're acting as though because a fandom of people ship friends together that means there's no representation of friendship to be founded. All of most are media have friends of the same sex, as strictly friends. That doesn't change because people ship them online.
If you have an issue with people shipping, then genuinely try to grow up. Shipping wars and all this shit is ridiculous and meaningless when the original story doesn't intend to pair two characters together.
I agree with everything, but i see many people complaining about the wrong issue: their age gap, which is literally a non issue in their case 💀, it's possibly the least controversial aspect of their relationship. Husk is stated to be in his 60s/70s biologically, and he died in the 1970s, which means he was born around the 1900s/1910s, Angeldust is stated to be biologically in his 30s, and died in 1948, which means he was born around the 1910s aswell, he just happened to die sooner than Husk. Angeldust is younger than Husk, but not by THAT much, they're much closer in age than people like to believe, on top of that, they're both actually nearly a century old in total, if not older, and met eachother as completely grown adults. If ya'll wanna complain about Huskerdust, do it for the actual problems the ship has 💀, not for their age gap, which is perfectly acceptable given context.
Yeah. Cherri and Sir Pentious's age gap is bigger.
@@8onnie8oyzMUCH bigger
Helpp husk is old enough to be my grandpa
I think what people meant by that is the age they were when they died, not what year they died.
@Papyrusliker don’t see how it changes anything.
Absolutely agree with all these points !! It’s absolutely an unnecessary distraction with 0 romantic chemistry. They both need a friend to look up to, not a romantic partner.
Honestly, I totally agree with you. Some of my friends are Radiodust shippers. I don’t ship Radiodust, it’s weird. Some of my other friends are Huskerdust shippers. I don’t really ship Huskerdust as much as I used to because I don’t care about ships at this point... Similar to how I used to be a hardcore Radioapple hater. I really don’t care anymore. Shipping in the Hazbin Hotel fandom has become a big deal when they’re just cartoon characters (though, some people *do* connect with certain characters.)
It still annoys me when people say their ship is canon even if it’s not. If Huskerdust becomes canon, I wouldn’t really care. Sure, I used to ship Huskerdust, but now it kind of disgusts me. Same with Cherrisnake. I used to ship it, but now it’s kind of just… I don’t know, there? I’ve started distancing myself from the fandom due to all these toxic shippers (toxic ships as well.)
But uhh, thanks for making this video, it helped me find people with similar opinions to mine.
I hate it when people ship radiodust. I mean it’s just part of my big issue that Alastor is canonically aroace.
urgh as an aro victim of m0lestation i hate how people turn a character being comforted into like . a romance thing. i will articulate my thoughts better later tmrw.
fellow aro here and i was JUST thinking this, it drives me mental
I know right. huuuuh 😣
“Yeah I’m straight, so?” Is such a banger line.
if sexuality is meant to be equal then why treat straight any different it doest make sense to me 💀
I'm personally a little hesitant to ship husker dust considering how Angel was sexually harassing husk. He doesn't deserve that Angel should've apologized to him. 😔
I’m mostly okay with the ship, like I don’t hate it or bash it
However, I do believe Angel just needs a friend as of right now
If Viv wants them to be boyfriends, then at least I hope it’s not rushed
I'm bisexual, I love Chaggie, I love Staticmoth (Vox x Val), and I love the show, but the double standards and hypocrisy are ridiculous. Angel literally sexually harasses Husk for the first half of the season, and that gets played off as "flirting" or "omg an old married couple" because Angel as trauma but let me tell you what would happen if Valentino was revealed to have a tragic backstory....
Everyone would say "that doesn't excuse his actions" where was that logic when Angel Dust repeatedly invaded everyone in the Hotel's boundaries, as well as the person he's supposed to be in love with and that gets ignored because "that's how he shows affection"? That excuse, my ass. Trauma does NOT justify actions; it explains it but does not justify. If Angel had apologized for sexually harassing everyone or it's brought up more, then I wouldn't have this issue, but IT DOESN'T. Everyone was obviously uncomfortable and that gets played off as a sex joke, but with Valentino, we're supposed to take it seriously. Angel signed up for the job, he got himself in that situation, the others did nothing to deserve to be harassed. (I'm not on Valentino's side, I'm just saying).
If Husk was a woman, tell me how much differently the internet would act.
Also, I don't care that "they're both adults", Husk is frickin 70 years old. It's super weird, and their designs make it obvious.
That’s what I was thinking… especially on how people would react if Husk was a woman, the fandom would react so much differently
I feel like this is the issue with the majority of the fandom being teenagers/young adults, y'all do not have the life experience to differentiate between these things or understand how this stuff plays out in real life because you've only witnessed it from a very limited perspective. Angel Dust lacks sexual boundaries, Valentino is controlling and physically and emotionally abusive, these are very, very different things. Angel Dust is easy to forgive because outside of his difficulties with sexual boundaries, he's a pretty likeable, if a little fucked up, person. Valentino is an asshole whose connections are all built on a desire for power and control.
I literally witnessed a similar situation play out irl where the older person was a woman and it was not fucking pretty, but I have a really hard time blaming the boy because of the serious sexual abuse history he had. He was actually more abusive than Angel Dust also, and had some seriously controlling and manipulative tendencies. But he was a teenager stuck in an abusive home whose parents were both in prison and whose hobbies included sending nudes to 40 year old men because "it was funny". You cannot look at that and not just worry for his safety, genuinely. For the record, almost everyone sided with him in the situation, so your assumptions about how people would take it if Husk's gender was switched aren't necessarily accurate.
Angel Dust needs to have some firm boundaries set with him to reset his assumptions about and approach to relationships, and that's what Husk is doing. He's not a bad or malicious person like Valentino, he's just stupid and trying to cope with abuse in a variety of fucked up and unhealthy ways. I'm pretty sure the entire point of the show is that this doesn't define him, and that he can change and grow when given the right environment and support.
@@butasimpleidiotwizard While I do understand where you're coming from and agree with most of your point, that still doesn't excuse the way the fandom babies Angel Dust, as if he hasn't done bad stuff as well. They're quick to point fingers at Valentino and Blitz but the second Alastor or someone else they like does the same thing, they're praised and adored. (Again, not condoning ANYTHING that Val or Blitz has done, they're shitty, I know that, but they take that bias way too far)
As for why I hate this ship, when I was younger, my sister always catcalled me. She said stuff like "omg look at those titties" or would smack my behind randomly and moan. I tried to be patient with her, especially since we (as a family) were dealing with a huge adjustment and she had no friends/was going through hormones, but she just continued to invade my boundaries, even after I said I was uncomfortable. I got the same vibes from Huskerdust.
Until that it is proven that the moral of his story is that "his background doesn't define him" and he apologizes for sexually harassing Husk, then Huskerdust will always have a bad taste in my mouth.
@DaWeirdestShipper228 personally I don't think they should date regardless, I think Angel needs a friend who can say no to him, more than anything else. To be valued outside of a sexual/relationship context is necessary for him to learn boundaries I think, and learning boundaries is more important for him than romance. So I do agree that within the context of the show, at this stage a relationship between them would be unhealthy in a clunky, awkward, uncomfortable way and could not last long, because they haven't established clear boundaries, mutual trust, and honest communication yet.
I just don't like viewing these characters in black and white because they represent the struggles of very real people, who are more complex than black and white. I also gotta say I strongly disagree with the fandom treating Blitz that negatively as well, Blitz has mad abandonment trauma, low self esteem, and an anxious/avoidant attachment style, some of the things he's done as a result are messed up, but no more so than what anyone else in either show has done. I don't like making it a game of having to condone or not condone certain actions when the core of the show is the feelings underlying them. Everyone does shitty things to protect their feelings sometimes, that's what makes it relatable.
Alastor so far has no obvious or relatable motivations, he's just a little bit scary and weird, I don't really understand the fandoms obsession with woobifying him but maybe that's because I'm old enough to know better. He's fun sure, but he's not like. Particularly nice or forgivable. I think he's probably one of the more genuinely evil characters in the show ngl.
I'm sorry you went through that with your sister, I don't think there are any good excuses for why she did that (hormones certainly aren't one), maybe she was just processing things that she was going through by taking them out on you, whatever it was it wasn't okay for her to cross your boundaries and make inappropriate comments like that. I can definitely understand how that experience would impact your perspective on this.
THANKKKKK YOUUUUUUUU OMFG.
Exactly. This ship would never work out. Husk tolerates angel at best. 😑
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I feel like they should have them friends for a SUPER long time, and then towards the end of the series after apologizing, etc THEN MAYBE they could be a couple.
i honestly almost felt like shipping them becaus i didn't want to be the odd one in the fandom, but now that i see me and my bestie are not the only ones, i think i'll stay being a non-huskerdust shipper
I’m usually all for cannon ships but I hate huskerdust myself too
@@sadbong2215me too lol😂
As a huskerdust shipper i respect ur opinion! As long as no one harnesses anyone (Including huskerdust and non huskerdust shippers)
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@@anidiot4801with entertaining implications
@@chemicalapparition harness the power of hate and rule the world!!!
i will be harnessing people
i dont like the ship because i feel like angel should have a boss bitch single era for the rest of his life
That's way more empowering. Angel Dust is Desperate for Male validation and fails to have normal conversations with men, without making it sexual. He should learn to be single and See how helpful IT actually is.
I agree he should stay single, yes we know that angel and husk are "meant for each other" but c’mon man, all what I can see is that Husk and Angel are more friends than lovers, these two can relate to each other’s struggles.
Angel already struggled times from times, I feel like he rather get therapy or any help on his social path other than smooching husk…sorry Huskerdust shippers T-T
Plus I wouldn’t think Angel or Husk would fall for each other easily unless there’s hinted feelings in the show, Husk seems to be comfortable around with Angel now that things worked out.
I figured that Angel rather stays confident in himself, maybe see if he can apologize and then see if he gets redeemed. Though personally I wouldn’t mind Husk being a comfort friend but however I feel like we should wait for any hints…canon or not, if you really want to make sure the ship is canon, gotta make sure to add hinted feelings or any affections to the characters.
@@Sanic_KidXD too Bad they're in hell, there are No therapists in hell😂
@@laurav5767 sadly not, maybe there are some in the sloth ring considering there’s a hospital there but I’m not sure if sinners can travel ring to ring 😭
Sinners are stuck in Pride, actually. So looks like therapy isn't an option.
Honestly, I won’t lose my marbles if it becomes canon (bc idrc and ik it will be canon in season 2)
I was just pissed angel never actually apologized. Like bro if husk was a straight female and angel was a straight male everyone would say “VIVZE IS SO TERRIBLE THIS IS SA1!!1” like bro.
Also if angel harasses husk it’s seen as “huskerdust!11!” But if angel gets harassed by Val it’s serious and sad? NOT SAYING ANGEL SHOULD BE HARASSED, VAL IS TERRIBLE ‼️‼️‼️
yes i agree their close friends but i sometimes also see husk and angel as father son relationship if that makes sense, but i don't ship them, and i think why most people ship them is because of the song loser baby, yeah well my bestie also calls me weird nicknames, so i don't see it as romance, (but that's just my opion)
Angel and Husk are both grown men.
most people ship them because of the fact that huskerdust has literally been confirmed to be a slow-burn relationship that will develop over the course of the show, has many pieces of merchandise where the two are looking at each other more often than not, the way that the two of them look smitten at each other in season 1 episode 8, the fact husk was made SPECIFICALLY to be angel's boyfriend before hazbin was invented, along with the official instagram accounts that the two had(which aren't canon, but were made by people who worked on hazbin which is sort of telling). i fully accept and respect people that don't ship huskerdust, but you need to make a more educated guess outside of just the song - especially when there's a lot of hints and telltale signs and reasons as to why it's a popular pairing. again, don't take this as a sign to feel compelled to enjoy the ship - enjoy what you like! but i feel like a lot of people with this same opinion also assume that you can't still be best friends with your partner.
@@artistanthony1007 Yeah, but still, 30-70 is a huge age gap. And Angel does act immature for his age, and there examples in the show where Husk takes on a old mentor role towards him
Honestly thought it would be a father-son relationship lol 😅
@@toastysweaters5692 they are literally both grown and capable of giving consent, big age gaps aren't a problem or illegal or wrong if the two in question are consenting adults. also even if he's immature he's literally a pornstar??? not every adult is serious and dark and brooding. doesn't make them any less of an adult.
I don't ship nor support "Huskerdust," but I also don't blame AD for being attracted to Husk.
Husk is voiced by Keith "Goliath Gargoyle" David.
I usually Like grumpy Cats in Cartoons, but Husk is ugly AF
@laurav5767 I like Husk's voice, that's all.
@@keshiaanders6452 I see
I get more friendship vibes between the two of them
At the end of the day we’re all just shipping DeviantArt ocs
more like Tumblr ocs
Also many people complain about the age gap between these two . Allegedly they are the same age only Angel passed way earlier than Husk thus he appears to be way younger than the other. Tho I'm not sure this info is a 100% true but if it is, it's certainly a "clever" way to justify the age gap (which I'm not really into tbh) but still
@@wildbirbs9797 Yeah, there's a reason why I didn't mention this argument in the video. The "age gap" is trivial for characters who are already dead.
Yes, Not a lot of people bring up that they're dead@@TrueJP13
husk died in his mid 60s’ tho
I really hope this ship doesnt become canon. Angel needs a friend, not a boyfriend and even beyond that the age gap is just weird. A teacher mentor relationship is just better in every way
I agree with this video but never said in any comments on any forums. Last time criticized a ship i got so much backlash from shippers and fans of the Male lead
They wanted me to neutrally listen to their points and views but wouldnt reciprocate and kept telling me how wrong i am then it just kept becoming more of a one way street even after i pointed out my relationship was similar to the leads how toxic it was yet they still told me how wrong i am and lectured me as if I'm a child that didnt know what they were talking about.
They didnt want to agree to disagree finally stopped when i told them what they wanted to hear. Even after its acknowledged in the story the relationship was becoming toxic, the shippers/fans still justified it and saw any criticism as wrong.
I still stand by ace Husker.
SAME.. he seems the type of person who gives no shits of having a partner
@@TravelingFridge"I've lost the will to love a long time ago"
Pilot Husk
@hubertberrum6242 Man, how did I miss that one? That would've been great to include in the video...
@@TrueJP13 agree! also good job on your video, for me I'm a spidermoth guy but mostly because of old art that Vivzie herself did before she even came up with Hazbin Hotel
@@hubertberrum6242Spidermoth? 🤨
i find vivizie’s mentality on ships funny, she very much hates and loathes charlastor but she KNOWS it sells, so she has made a fair share of charlastor merch on her sharkrobot store and even a charlastor bait episode disguised as a “dad and daughter” episode before taking it back again in an interview following dad beat dad’s preview like lmaooo
legitimately what are you talking about.
I agreee whole heartedly with your argument
Jay, I'm so proud that you officially returned to your YT career through your old second channel.
Looking forward to more essays that you will make.
If they're going to be in a relationship, it better be more romantic than sexual.
I am not shipping any characters until the full series is over- for one in season one I did NOT expect CherriSnake to be cannon now- so uh...yeah...
I gotta say, this is a great comeback to your YT career as I do enjoy your new style and format of it! I’m looking forward to see what’s to come on this channel soon!
Keep up the good work out there!
I don't like this ship because Angel doesn't respect Husker's boundaries, ignores his body language and can't accept a No for an answer. This is quite hypocritical if you consider what he went through. Just because Angel is an SA survivor and struggles with trauma doesn't give him a free card to do the same to others to make himself feel better.
yeah, i don't ship them either. i see husk as more of a father/uncle figure to angel. and i think i prefer angel dust as single.
People even try to excuse Angel's sexual harassment with how he was abused.. Yes, people who are sexually abused can be more hyper sexual, but that DOESN'T EXCUSE SEXUAL HARASSMENT
I ship them kind of but if Viv made them just friends I’d be totally ok with that cause angle needs a friend then rather date someone 🤧
I feel like it undermines the point of his character:
Angeldust was using hypersexuality as an unhealthy coping mechanism for an all sex life style. Getting a boyfriend isn't what he needs, he needs a bro who understands him.
I always said that the whole "I sold my soul to a psychopathic freak"//"And you think that makes you unique?" exchange is terrible. Alastor obviously tortures Husk in a different way but asking if being a survivor of the drugging and assault Valentino does "makes you unique" is not the best statement. The whole loser thing, it's like, we can be miserable together, but somehow feels like accepting your misery. Not to mention how awfully Angel Dust invades Husk and his personal space. It's not cute to me.
Viv's decisions to keep that in is sick, Idc they are Sinner Demons in Hell or this is an adult show, I care for better writing and understanding of characters like them than this garbage.
I'm gonna be real here: Viviziepop writes like an AO3 user.
Well, she got her start on Tumblr and a lot of Tumblr users also write on there.
Actually Angel is drag but- you can't really see that to be fair so i don't blame you 😭
do i ship it? not really. i have not seen anything going on between them in the show romantically . they look more like they would be partners in crime over time. if it becomes canon then it's canon and we can't change it. if people love the ship that's fine but i like them as friends
I agree with everything you said! These are all valid points I wish the creator would acknowledge. I see them more as Bheem and Raju from RRR or Lee and Carter from Rush Hour. They have a bromance but they’re just really close friends. It’s okay when two pairings aren’t a couple.
Look, I respect your opinions. But viv has already announced that huskerdust will be Canon in the show. So saying "they're JUST really good friends" is incorrect for the entirety of their relationship. That's your headcanon, not the canon.
@@masterjordanva we KNOW it’s canon and that’s the problem. Viv can write it however she wants, but that doesn’t mean it’s a good idea. Them being just friends would be more healthy. But that’s just our two cents. Just because it’s canon, doesn’t mean we have to agree. Honestly, I think it just ruins their relationship and their characters for the reasons mentioned in this video. We just see them more as friends than bfs. No matter how they’re written, it just doesn’t feel right. So idc if it’s canon, because romance is the last they need between each other. They’re toxic af for each other. I know we still have season two, but unless there’s some improvement, I will not approve. I’ll accept it, but I won’t approve. And Viv is also toxic imo and it shows through her writing if she thinks Angel Dust disrespecting boundaries and sexually harassing people is “cute” and “funny”. And idc if he’s hypersexual, because I know people who are hypersexual and hate how he’s written. Especially since Angel himself knows how unpleasant it is. But I think the fact that you had to remind me what’s canon and headcanon shows that you don’t really respect my opinion. It’s called constructive criticism. Because, believe it or not, everybody needs to see and hear others perspectives so that there can be improvements.
And the fact that Viv wrote Ozzie and Fizz the way she did shows she knows how to write healthy boundaries, consent, healthy relationships and not write toxicity as a joke. She just chooses not to for most characters. Say what you want about it being canon, but the valid points still stands. But it’s whatever. I choose not to be a sheep for the creators and think for myself. I’m not going to let the writing do the thinking for me just because it’s canon. People are free to like and hate what they want, but I am so sick and tired of people telling “b-but canon.” What about it? What’s your point? I’m sorry if I’m sounding harsh, but I’m tired of people reminding me it’s canon every time people like me have a say. I KNOW!!!! IDC!!!! I do love the show, and I do love the characters. That’s why I say the things I say and I just feel like some fans have more respect for the characters than the actual creator does. Just saying.
@ashebennett7726
You are so right about canon not necesarilly meaning something is good. But Husker and Angel are obviously the type of slown burn couple. They just became friends, and they are probably be briends still in S2.
Why are we judging a ship that is not romantically canon yet?
The potential is there. And it is clear that they still need more development, which is clear will happen before they are a couple. 😐
@@ashebennett7726 I disagree with them being "toxic af for each other" because the way angel deals with his self hatred is by putting on a mask of ego and glamor, and the way husk masks his problems is by being prickly to push people away. That sets up for so much potential understanding and connection building. And people also complain about husk being toxic in Loser, Baby. But I think those people either don't have life problems, or just don't understand mental health well, because as someone with trauma, ptsd, and an abuse victim I see why husk approached angel the way he did. Angel struggles with his self hatred and as said, hides it. Husk calling him a loser, giving reasons to back it up, and saying that he himself is also a loser makes angel realize "I hide myself because I don't want to be seen as a loser, but now I realize that I'm not alone in being a loser." Angel doesn't want to be alone, the way he uses his own body is a common thing that people do when they want to be validated and wanted. A lot of sex workers are hurting individuals who want to be understood and wanted. Angel acts with a front in an attempt to be stronger and more put together in front of other to not only lessen the blow of being hurt because if he was himself and vulnerable to people, things would hurt him more; but also because he wants to convince himself that he is the character he plays. Husk sees through this and basically says in loser, baby "yo, I see what you're going through, you're not alone, you are not this perfect sex doll, but a person who struggles, just like me." Which comforts angel because again, he realizes he doesn't need to be something he isn't. He has flaws and problems, and husk understands that. He shows angel that he is a loser, not out of being an asshole, but as a taste of reality. Because Husk wants angel to be real, and honest to not only husk, but himself. Now we do need to explore more of Husk, but we have already seen husk help angel through a hard time, which is why their relationship will work so well. They will understand, and help each other, through pain and hard times. Which is supported by a quote that goes something along the lines of "the darkest of times create the strongest of bonds."
@@UmikoElement because I don’t trust Viv’s toxicity. She gets some things right, but an example of how she presents SA victims and trauma victims is kind of disgusting. And there are people who come forward with their trauma that are disgusted with not only the ship, but the way Angel Dust and his trauma is written.
I like Husk and Angel as friends than boyfriends. Not just because I'm a Instagram Vox/Angel shipper. You know the one where "He who shall not be named" was beating Vox and Vox had a giant puppy shark. (I miss Vark 😢). Idk I just never felt that Angel and Husk had much of a connection to each other. But Angel definitely needs a friend more than a boyfriend at the moment. Though it's okay if the friend does turn into a boyfriend at the end though. But I don't really mind shipping as long as its not incest or CSA so I'm fine with people shipping Angel and Husk but I don't quite see them as a ship.
Haven’t watched the video yet but I agree with the title. Angel Dust doesn’t need a lover, he needs a friend. A friend that isn’t a bad influence. (sorry Cherri bomb)
I've never agreed so much with a video in my entire life.
I also do not like huskerdust and a current college freshman too LOL. I'm pretty sure that I saw Angel harrass Husk for the 1 millionth time and talk shit about him in a bar before Husk saved him from being drugged. Yes, I feel bad for his situation, but it doesn't excuse his behavior towards Husk whatsoever.
Has a Huskerdust shipper, I totally understand ur point! If they acc become canon I would be really happy, but if they dont I would understand, I can see them as friends too!
I agree with you, plus I have tbh I don't really ship Vaggie and Charlie that much because since they act more like best freinds than couples and not to mention how Charlie doesn't really always listen to Vaggie that includes her warnings about making a deal with Alastor. Other then that, I'm not saying that it's bad about Vaggie being protective or anything but it's always Vaggie being the overprotective gf and Charlie being the sweet little bean in the relantionship..I mean I'm not saying that you can't ship them or anything, but it' in my opinion
This video was pretty interesting
Never seen the show and I probably won’t but I love watching videos on it
I KNEW IM NOT ALONEEEEEEEE
Husk and angel feel more like a mentor and student relationship to me
Viv is so OBVIOUSLY desperated to make PØRN but part of her fandom won't allow it.
I’m surprised you’re impressed with Chaggie. I feel like they’re sooooooooo bland. Even when they were on shaky ground I was bored. Hopefully next season we see more chemistry, or more development of their individual characters.
Also! Ive heard Husk is a cat because of how black cats are associated with both good and bad luck, depending on the culture. Gambling has a lot to do with luck, so I think his sinner-form makes more sense to me than any other character.
Regarding HuskerDust - I do like their development, but they aren’t supposed to be “in love” yet. We are seeing the beginning stages of their friendship after overcoming their initial hostile dynamic. Character flaws/misunderstandings/conflict make the relationships between characters meaningful and interesting. Angel being a total douche and husk calling him out for it was vital for his growth. I think we aren’t going to see them confess/get together until the end of the show. This ship seems to be focused on the concept of seeing someone for who they are at their worst and still seeing their humanity/loving them anyway.
Great points! Yeah, I'll admit, Chaggie isn't particularly INTERESTING, but for me I actually kind of prefer that. I don't see anything wrong with having an "average" relationship in the series, I guess I just see those two as natural. I will agree, though, the conflict they had in episode 7 wasn't particularly engaging from my view either. Still, I like their dynamic. Season 2 is apparently going to have a "fun sexy song" between the two, which... not a big fan of, but we'll see how it pans out.
Thanks for explaining why Husk is a cat, I wasn't totally sure about that one when writing this. And when you look at HuskerDust from the perspective of "they start out bad but grow over time," it might actually have a little merit. Of course, my opinion is based solely on Season 1, and how I really don't think it's a valuable pairing at this exact point in time. Now at the same time, if they were to get together at the end, like the middle of Season 4, that would mean we wouldn't get a lot of time to see them as an actual couple, which would probably disappoint those who had shipped them off the bat. So I'm not sure if that would be the best idea, but I still agree that Vivienne will probably wait for a little while before this goes further.
Maybe Angel and/or Husk will have an ACTUAL shift in character traits (as in, not this random "I guess you have changed" comment in Season 1) in the latter of the series, and I can be able to say that a relationship feels more appropriate for them later. But I suppose that only time will tell.
@@TrueJP13 great point! I’ve always liked shows that portrayed the main interests as will-they-won’t-they, so I’m hoping for them to become an actual couple at the very end.
If they get together early next season I’ll be a bit disappointed 🤷🏼♀️ great video!
While I do ship huskerdust, I ship it post-development. I feel that they need to further elaborate on angel dust and husks issues and eventually they build A bond together through those things and separate from those things. I feel like the only thing They have in common right now is that they both are under someone else’s control and that “loser” song which I don’t really like the messages of.
5:16 You scared the shit out of me
Haven’t watched the video yet but based asf! I’m so glad I see someone else made a video on this!
@@imgalxe I didn't know about your version until after this already came out 😭 I thought I was the first person to do this, but I was surprisingly incorrect
@@TrueJP13 oh no you’re all good lmao. I get it barely anybody shit talks HuskerDust which is so surprising because I think it’s obvious that the ship isn’t good
I constantly have to argue about why I don’t ship HuskerDust and it makes me so happy that there’s finally a video about it
I feel like the ships in this show kinda seem forced too but idk
HH fans trying not to be annoying when it comes to ships:
Level: impossible
BFB MENTIONED!!!! i shall explode
Why are you sorry? You're right /lh
Cuz lots of people would probably send threats cuz it’s the internet
i laughed so much at the edits. subbed.
you are SO underrated? the editing in this video made it so entertaining ( i giggled plenty to the sudden pentious death scene pop ups every time he was mentioned 😭 ) & your takes are so real 😭😭🙏 subscriber gained :] keep it up!!
I’m a huskerdust enjoyer, but I respect everyone’s opinion and can see where everyone is coming from. For the most part I only ship canon ships but I’m open to listening to anyone’s perspective on shipping. (Except for Charlie X Lucifer or Charlie X Lilith, and any ¡nc3st ship the people who ship family members can go to a worse place than hell!)
i love your channel already
I genuinely love these skits at the start and the end, those weirdly personal moments make the videos so much more engaging
So apparently I'm not a shipper, because I didn't see the possibility of romance between them. I like their dynamic now that Angel Dust mellowed out some towards the end of S1. I would much prefer friends to mentor/mentee, but romance doesn't seem like a good thing for either character at this point.
Maybe in like, S3 we can see Angel Dust more healed and with a new boyfriend trying to court him, but no need to rush. 😊
Edit to add - have fun if this is your ship, though! Yall aren't hurting anybody!
I WANT them to be just friends. I hope one day Angel can get into a relationship but I really just want Husk to be his gateway into self love and acceptance. He needs a close/healthy non sexual friendship
im so glad im not the only one. I think i can see the potential, i just... don't think they should be like that for a long time. I really wish Angel had apologized for his behavior towards husk. I see so many people saying "their relationship is about consent, its the opposite of him and val" but like.... there was no apology for crossing all of his boundaries...
I definately see this more as a situationship or a companionship not a romanticship. First off Husk is literally old enough to be Angel's dad. Being part of a crime family Angel never had the best up bringing with a dad who is just as bad as Val...just with more hitting and violence and not so much the other stuff Val does on the regular. Ever since Angel arrived in Hell over seventy-years ago, he has pretty much been using sex work to get by and has had relationships that leave him feeling used and abused, or dropped when he is no longer worth having. Val is his current abuser and one he longs escape even if it means being erased.
Still, even if Angel was to be free of his contract with Val within the events of the first episode of season 2. Angel is too messed up emotionally and mentally to be in any sort of physical relationship. However, someone who could be a father or mentor figure could would be a more possitive means to help Angel adjust to the fact he doesn't need to sell his body for survival or entertainment. He and learns to see who Anthony is outside of the Angel Dust persona and someone who could serve as an adviser in this process.
I know I'm gonna get attacked for this, but I honestly don't ship HuskerDust. In my opinion, if they were in a relationship, it would honestly be really awkward and unstable because not only is Angel selfish and doesn't know how to respect anyone's boundaries and always makes Husk uncomfortable, but even though they are not too old from each other, they still seem like such a different age. Angel is more like a hyperactive teenager and Husk is like an old man. As much as people say they do, they just don't mesh well like that. I can imagine them as really good, best buds. But not in a romantic relationship.
The entire universe thanks to Viv having control and writing is completely hypocritical and people saying it's Hell so bad behavior is fine is just going against that when someone like Angel harrasses someone, this official universe is complete axx and Viv is terrible as a writer, Idrc if anyone has a problem but that is the hard truth they need to realize: Viv is a terrible writer.
@@artistanthony1007Viv has a big problem, if there's no moral because "it's hell" why people should feel sorry for Angel?
That makes a double standard. There are sinners worse than other sinners.
And a story with no moral can't make characters grow or develop. Or they would do it backwards.
But the show can't make the characters bad because the fans would hate them. So there must be people WORSE to balance the moral.
And other characters are terrible people yet no one will ever make them have any consequences because lol random (cough cough ALASTOR)
@@maravreloaded Exactly. She wants us to feel bad for Angel when Valentino abuses him, but then when Angel sexually harasses/assaults other people, it's okay. And Viv's only excuse is "Oh well it's Hell so it doesn't really matter". Okay, so then why should we care if Angel is being abused? You know, since "It doesn't matter if they do bad things because it's Hell"? She is completely contradicting herself at this point.
i also always thought i would get attacked for saying that but now that i pointed my opinion out on this video i can finally find the people who agree with me, not that i hate people who ship it, i just want to find people who have the same intrest
@@Eve_Murder wait she said that?!
WAIT HOLY CRAP UR VIDS ARE SO HIGH QUALITY AND UNDERRATED 😨
I don't really like their dynamic either. The whole "You're a loser baby" thing feels like he's telling him. "Yeah, you get abused and used as a sex-toy and shit but so what? Suck it up because I'm going through the same thing" when Husk's position itself doesn't even seem horrible compared to what Angel goes through.
in the kindest way possible you missed the entire point of the "loser, baby" song and not only that, but it doesn't really take much of an einstein to realize that husk and angel dust are both in similar abusive relationships with the only exception that we know of being that husk isn't sexually assaulted. even then, there's no such thing as a "worse" trauma.
@@partyguestt My thing is with that is that Alastor hasn't shown to be abusive towards the souls he owns unless they outright disrespect them. Are you even go as far to accommodate them for their efforts by making them do favors for him such as allowing Husk to partake in Booze or stay comfortable at the hotel. Because in the end? He's still free to do whatever he wants as long he helps out. Hell, He CHOOSE to stay and fight and alastor didn't even force him or Nifty to stay and fight with him. I'm not saying that there comparing Trauma necessary. But their situations are completely different.
@@BLAZE_EDTIZ i'm not really sure if you actually watched the entirety of the series in full or simply watched a few cut-out clips and snippets of the show, because it is so abundantly clear that there are parallels between the way that valentino abuses angel, and the way that alastor abuses husk, and the reasoning behind why angel and husk get on and relate to eachother as much as they do.
these parallels include husk and angel experiencing downtalking and degradation from their overlords, the two of them being yanked by their chains and tossed around like it's nothing, left shaking after being threatened ("you're lucky you make me money" in angel's case, and husk being threatened to face an otherwise eternal damnation if he's not "compliant" to alastor), alastor pushing husk's boundaries and continuously calling him "pet", and the fact that alastor quite literally uses husk's substance abuse as another method to shutting him up and forcing him to do as he wishes. and we don't even have to touch on the lyric "i'm trapped and it gets worse with every hour" in which they BOTH sing in "loser, baby", not just angel - which even so is less about abuse and more how *they* feel about *themselves* and how life for them is terrible between their addictions and the way they are treated and perceived, but they at least aren't alone in their struggles and have eachother to relate to.
do you really not find the problem in knowing that alastor quite literally persuaded husk to do something he made it ABUNDANTLY CLEAR he didn't want to, by egging him on with a bar and alcohol, which husk is shown to be codependent on? husk quite literally says that he wouldn't be at the hotel in the beginning of the series if alastor wasn't making him, which should also ring alarms for you. he's exploiting husk, and even if he was "disrespected" that doesn't condone what alastor does to him because that is still abuse, and to say it's husk's fault is literally victimblaming. especially when angel himself has been implied inseries (and also in the "dirty healings" comic) to ALSO be defiant to valentino's word, but that doesn't mean he deserves it.
alastor is an overlord which is a rank that's acquired through toppling others and owning souls whether it's through murder or a contractual thing, has been clarified to own his own radio talk show that he broadcasts the screams of his victims to, is very clearly sadistic and states repetitively that he's only at the hotel to watch charlie's goal fail and revel in the helplessness of other sinners, and more. and you still doubt that he could be abusive, which is outright shown? there's many more forms of abuse aside from sexual.
nobody "deserves" or "earns" any kind of abuse or harassment. and if you say "it's hell", that doesn't change the fact that he is still abusive. you are just giving another reason as to "why".
Well, the "Loser" bit Is not because of what he's going rn, but rather because he got himself Into It (or at least that's what Husk knows). Sure, It's not a good method lmao, but It worked for him I guess
@@BLAZE_EDTIZ Uhh…Alastor is incredibly abusive towards Husk and that is shown throughout the show. Husk has said to Angel that he turned to alcohol to help solve his problems, something that alcoholics do, and where does Husk work? At a bar. Alastor uses Husk’s addiction against him. That is abuse. Husk is on a chain and was threatened to the point where he was SHAKING and was absolutely terrified. Alastor is clearly abusive
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also to add on this and honestly, does anyone else find it creepy that husk calls angel “kid” as a nickname? Like he’s supposed to be 75 to 80 and angel dustbin his 30s idk if I was in a relationship with somebody that was younger than me, I wouldn’t call them kid sounds wrong
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I feel like they are more as best buddy’s then romantic
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I also don’t ship them because I like the idea of them being just friends and also because of how angel treated husk in early episodes constantly crossing his boundaries
It's weird. They have a huge age gap. And besides, angel needs to stay AWAY from having boyfriends.
They're both grown men and are eternally young in Hell, you also seem to forget many grown adults look like a teen & sound high pitched or teenagers with adult like voices like with Kane Pixels.
huge age gaps literally do not matter legally if the relationship in question involves two consenting adults. also it's literally a canon pairing - even if you don't agree with it, and angel... can still actively have boyfriends? the difference is that he should stay away from giving in to his temptations and coping in unhealthy mechanisms.
@@partyguestthes in an abusive relationship. His point is to say that angel should develop platonic relationships first before thinking about dating cause coming out of an abusive relationship leaves you vulnerable to entering another one without time to heal
Although yes in hell they're having an age gap, they came from the same time period, angel just happened to die first and stopped aging (AD died in 1947 in his 30s, Husk died in 1970 in his 60s). But i agree that angel and husk fits better with having a friendship/found family relationship
Well, they were both born in a similar time but husk lived longer than angel so yes, they can in fact date and angel needs a bf like husk that cheers him up and make him feel better especially for what he's going through
You're doing the lord's work.
Agreed Husk gives grandpa age to me
You have no idea how refreshing it is to hear that someone else understands the platonic energy these two have😭😭😭
I’m not mlm, but I am queer, and normally I’ll go out of my way to headcanon queer relationships in shows based on believably romantic tension, but my initial reaction to the HuskerDust ship was honestly a little bit of shock. The fact that it existed didn’t surprise me as much as the idea that people genuinely thought that the text read as romantically coded. Personally, I couldn’t see it, even on a rewatch or two. They have such incredibly platonic energy in the series so far, and really that’s what they both need in their lives right now anyway. As much as I’d love more mlm rep in cartoons, I just don’t think these two a good match romantically. At least not long term. On personalities alone, they kinda clash a bit in a way that doesn’t seem sustainable in a romantic context.
As things currently stand, I could only see it feeling really forced or unnatural for their characters to gravitate toward each other in that way since they’ve barely interacted due to the 8 episode limit (which I could be proven wrong about, and I’m willing to have my mind changed), or they could do a really smart and interesting thing and make them try but it ends in disaster.
After watching the show and seeing the shipping and insistence on HuskerDust being canon, I imagined the possibility of a one-sided romance where Angel fell in love with Husk, but Husk doesn’t quite feel the same way. The reason why could be partially due to the fact that Angel is in a really insecure place still, and he could latch on to Husk while not understanding that part of that attachment is just rooted in desperation to feel like someone could value him for more than just his body. Meanwhile, Husk is just sort of like “oh, we had a good thing going as friends and I really don’t want to hurt you since I know you’re in a fragile place, but I don’t feel the same way.”
I think that could make for an interesting opportunity for someone like Charlie and/or Vaggie to talk to either or both of the characters and offer some insight on what to do. They could advise honesty, but also bracing for the possibility that things may not work out in quite the way they imagine, and that it’ll still be okay either way. I think that’d be cool! It could help center some of the goals of the hotel, while also giving Charlie and/or Vaggie some more relatable, down to earth situations to deal with, and giving Charlie an opportunity to practice her problem-solving skills in a real and actually helpful way, rather than her initial attempts in season 1. I also think it’d be a great opportunity to bond the whole cast more and give them reasons to all stay connected outside of just being trapped in a situation that keeps them in the hotel.
Overall, I kind of like that option. It shows that romance isn’t going to solve all your problems, but deep and meaningful friendships can still be just as valuable in getting you through difficult times. Plus all the different complex development that could occur from that kind of interpersonal drama would be great! And the fallout of some awkwardness between Husk and Angel after the rejection before they get back into a rhythm again with their friendship could be so cool to explore. I don’t have faith that they’d give an appropriate amount of time and care into the writing of stuff like that, but it seems kinda cool in theory at least. It was just an initial thought, so it’s not a perfect idea, but I think it’s neat.
Another option could be that they have a “friends with benefits” thing going for a bit before in some way it falls apart disastrously. It seemed like they tried to add a bit of tension during the “you really have changed” scene, so if we wanted to build on that in a way that feels natural for these very different characters, I could see it becoming an unrequited romance as previously mentioned, just with the added context of hooking up. Either Husk or Angel could fall in love though. I could see Husk falling in that context tbh, since that level of intimacy would feel so much more personal ,but honestly it could go either way. Or maybe they both fall in love but don’t know how to tell each other at first. Then confessions happen, they try making things a bit more official, but then there could be dramatic tension with how Husk feels about Angel’s job and them not being exclusive (if he’s monogamous), or just generally more inevitable follow-up on the whole thing with Val and how Husk feels about it.
Idk, there’s lots of possibilities for exploring very complex and interesting dynamics between these two if romance doesn’t work out, and it could be in a more realistic way and not a sitcom-y miscommunication trope way. There’s a lot of potential.
Either way, I do like and appreciate some of the fanart at least. The shippers make these two appear very sweet together and that’s nice. I just personally don’t connect with the ship in its current state. They seem way better as just good friends right now, and I think adding romance to the mix would play with their emotions in their vulnerable states in an unhealthy way (if we’re to assume the writers are good and want to portray some amount of realistic emotion, anyway). I think there’s some good potential dramatic tension either way, but they really don’t seem to have anything in common other than “hey, I’m traumatized” and “oh hey, me too!” Which isn’t the most stable foundation with which to build a romantic partnership. I could maybe be convinced otherwise if we get to know these characters better. Maybe show that they have common hobbies or something. That would help.
Anyway, I’ve rambled enough lol, good video
I just started the video and I already agree like “YES.”
People should normalize platonic ships though because people cling too much on the romantic and sexual aspects of ships. Most characters I support ships of in the platonic regard.
I hate huskerdust and Radiodust, it just makes me feel dirty since they're older than angel. Everytime I say that, fans wanna "correct" me. But if anything, I prefer TravisDust. I mean he litterally works with the dude now.
They're all eternally young and Angel died a grown adult, he wasnt a underaged teen so why is there anything to feel dirty?
@@artistanthony1007 They still act and kind of look their age? Idc about the argument that “they’re in hell” it’s still stupid and disgusting
Dude you wear a hat, you DONT ship huskerdust, your pfp is godly..
I think I just found my new fav RUclipsr.
Angel dust being like 30 hears old and husker being 70 years old when they died disturbs me.. and the excuse of "well their in hell!" Wont change that.