“You aren’t wrestling with the enemy, you are wrestling with me”. 41:58 Man I wasn’t going to listen to this episode. Arrogantly thought I knew what you were going to say and didn’t want to hear it. But I’m so glad God put it on my heart to listen and humble myself. God is speaking through you two. Keep it up!
Such a solid episode. Thank you both. I didn’t know we were walking into some of the angles and depths you talked about but they’re welcomed and so needed! 🙏🏼
So needed to hear this today. Currently going through what I thought was betrayal but now I am seeing as a change of season and/or just time to get off the bus. I will be become better for this. Thank you!!
The Holy Ghost that flows through this pod is just so on time and POTENT! Thank you for your timeliness and keen discernment. We all benefit, fam! Love y’all deep!
You are 1 hr into this so I will have to see it from the beginning. I was betrayed by my own family and have been battling it for 1.5 yrs. I'm trying to forgive and grieve but its been very hard. Please pray, I need GOD'S strength.
As I was watching this the words that came to mind are disappointment and bitterness. Disappointment and betrayal are not the same! (Thanks for clarifying that in this episode.) Which is why I wasn't sure if i wanted to comment. I find loving people hard. I find dealing with unmet expectations hard. For me, that's why prayer and solid community is so important. Like how Preston has Tim. For me, the harder thing is how to live in hope after someone has disappointed me. *How can I be a person that doesn't close myself off to new friendships? *How do I choose to believe that the next person won't treat me the same as the previous one did? I'm dealing with this right now. I can think of 2 people in my life who have changed in positive ways. One that I've known a long time, and another less than 6 months.(Not something I'm used to.) I feel like Abba is using these people to help me heal past emotional wounds. While I am thankful for His healing power, growing/changing is exhausting.😂
Omg y’all are awesome I cannot tell you. Your conversations help me heal in ways I didn’t know I needed because you help reveal wounds I never knew I had. Thank you!
This was a tough conversation to listen to because God abhors the behavior of a deceitful person. This was a very light hearted conversation so much so that the person who deceives believes that they are not guilty of doing wrong (sin) which in return encourages them not to apologize and repent. The Bible speaks on verbal agreements and being a man of your word. We worship a just God and if your breaking promises, lying, incurring debts, etc He will make you answer for it. My stance if I was participating in this conversation would be let your yea be yea and your nay be nay. Matthew 5:37 God bless❤️
It is not this simple. Especially when so many hurt you at the same time over a long period of time. When you know God could show up and there is no justice. I don’t even know how to talk to God anymore. My trust is shattered.
I’m so sorry😢 I know the feeling, just don’t give up on God. He’s with you even in the silence. Keep seeking him, he loves you dearly and you are so precious to him❤ sending love and hugs❤ Remember what they meant for evil, God means it for good. He will turn the situation around always but there is a good purpose for you that he wants you to experience. Stay positive, stay hopeful, don’t look back.
💔💔💔💔I’m so sorry you’re going through this. Putting any faith and trust in humans is futile. However… If you can, rebuild your relationship with God. Just focus on him. Everyday ask him questions pertaining to HIM. Sometimes our world is broken down to rebuild with TRUTH.
It’s not easy!!! Trust me know I know but if you really trust that vengeance belongs to the Lord you will be at peace. If you keep yourself from being in offense you are doing an amazing job by not giving the enemy anything to work with and your pride won’t overtake you. It’s definitely takes practice but you do have to forgive. Having unforgiveness in your heart only hardens your heart against God and others. We are suppose to follow Jesus, not our feelings. Of course acknowledge our feelings - feel what you’re feeling and talk to God and not suppress them…surrender them to the Lord. Again I had to learn this over time. You honestly gotta let the pain go cause your keeping yourself from healing so be strong ❤❤❤
You’re absolutely right it’s not simple nor easy. Having said that, I think it’s necessary. No rush, no expectations on timeline but embracing the journey of healing, walking, feeling and letting go of things and clinging desperately to God is necessary. I only say this because I allowed betrayal to harden my heart, lose trust in God that lead to rebellion for years and it was the worst thing I did. God sees. God is good. He’s not finished ❤
I'm currently healing from past betrayal trauma and also betrayal trauma that's still happening, and it's the worst pain that I've ever experienced. Trying to heal from past betrayal trauma while going through more betrayal trauma is absolutely twisted. Betrayal trauma is real, it's super ugly, and healing from it feels like a nearly-impossible feat. I haven't been myself, and I'm still not myself. I feel like I can't see straight for the life of me because my heart is a broken mess that's currently still breaking; however, if I view my brokenness through the lens of Yahweh's Heart, I know that He is currently Redeeming my story and that I can see straight through His Perspective for me. I feel like I lost a huge part of me, but I know that Yahweh Restores my soul, and that He Restores to better than before. Part of me thinks, "how in the world can I ever come back from this?" and "look at me: I'm an absolute mess" and "everyone is going to run away from me because I'm so broken." I feel like the healing process from this is like I'm walking through a shifting maze in the dark with mirrors and minefields in it. And as I'm going through this healing process, I'm so deathly afraid of losing - and losing loved ones (y'all included) is the biggest one. // "Betrayal just doesn't leave you isolated - it puts you in solitary confinement. And the only place to go from there is crazy. Because it's so dark, you can't see your hand in front of you, and left to your own self, if I'm only talking to me about the whole world, I'm not going to draw any good conclusions." "My flesh is always right when I'm alone. If your heart has no visitors, it's not because your life has no humans." - "Where there are relationships, there will always be the opportunity for betrayal. It's unavoidable." - "Betrayal is the mismanagement of the vulnerability that I shared with you." "When I think of betrayal, I think of purposefully hurting beyond what is mutually agreeable (because there's hurt in every relationship; we're humans); purposeful hurt in an attempt to not just create distance, but even sever the relationship while acting like there still is a relationship." These definitions are spot on. 💔 - "There's pre-meditation. Betrayals are not accidental." "Every step of betrayal is scripted." - "I think one of the things we bump into on a semi-consistent basis is sometimes people misunderstand the changing of a season for the act of betrayal. And because it's so personal, then it becomes personal in the heart of the person in this attack mode - when really at the core, it was God Changing the seasons." "We live in a culture that's like, "Hey, you outgrow some people and you're going to the next," and I was thinking to myself sometimes people outgrow us. Some people outgrew us, and we've made outgrowing somebody betrayal. We've made outgrowing somebody this kind of superior/inferior thing." - "A bus driver never laments when somebody gets off, and they never celebrate when somebody gets on, because at the end of their shift, they'll be the only one on the bus. So, why don't you just enjoy everybody on the ride? "This - it helps us to celebrate people rather than ruminate and create anger towards the very blessings that we couldn't have lived without for certain seasons of our lives. Seasonal shifts are not bad betrayals. It's just a changing of the season." "The enemy can come in and influence us to indemnify anyone who can't be for life." - "I think this whole "it's either all good or all bad" is not healthy. And I actually wonder if it's leading to some of the anxious epidemic that we're experiencing on the earth that it either has to be all good or all bad rather than make space for both and say, "life in a fallen world with God Who is Present has much good - and - it's a fallen world where God's enemy roams." This is incredibly cathartic. Thank y'all. ✝🐑🛡❤🩹
Thank you so much for this episode. I needed it. Thank you for explaining the difference between betrayal and transition. I learned that seasons of transitions are hard, but are part of the journey.
🙌🏼thank you Tim, this is me all day everyday for those I love, just the same as you, the abuse I endured when I was young, thank you for being the same as me but my family thinks im ungodly or other words I won’t type. Thank you for being relatable and that it’s ok…I love hard…Blessings my bro in Chris 🥰❤️🩹🙏🏼
I wish I had this advice @ 1:32:17 when I was growing up. I always stayed quiet about anything I went through out of fear of the shame it would bring and if my family would be able to handle the things I was going through.
really enjoyed this episode... wondering if we could get a part two discussing the dynamics of engagement when we are called to stay in proximity to a betrayer for a greater purpose; thinking through Jesus washing Judas' feet - are there instances where we are called to exercise this level of grace? what do healthy boundaries look like in this instance?
Ughhh. . . 56:41. I had to catch myself when I was in this pattern with my boyfriend the other day. The issue I have is what do I do with the emotion that the behavior elicits even though I KNOW that the intention behind it wasn't the same as it was with past ex's.
When I’m alone! Yessss! B/c when I’m convinced that all people are going to hurt me or disappoint me then I definitely will seek alone … he’s reading me mail
It really feels like betrayal when your sister suddenly announces she is lesbian and wants you to attend her wedding. I thought that we had no secrets from each other and I trusted her all my life with mine... we went through a lot of hardship together growing up, but the moment we immigrated and gained independence she dedicated herself to a completely different lifestyle. A lifestyle that she knew I didn't believe God would bless, so how could she expect me to suddenly approve and celebrate with her? I felt so betrayed... but maybe it was a changing of the seasons. Its very hard to know when you are so involved and it can be hard to see things clearly. Maybe God wanted me to stop idolizing her... I loved her too much maybe. But it just feels senseless and it makes me question if I ever really knew her? Did she lie to me for years? Why did she never trust me? Did I do something wrong? Was I not a good enough friend to her? What else was she hiding? She doesn't even talk to me now since I refused to even meet that woman that she loves. I'm struggling every day with the bitterness. It hurts that she would prefer a woman she has only known for three months over her own sister who she has survived so much with. We haven't seen each other for more than a year now. If I died she wouldn't know. If she got hurt, I wouldn't know. It hurts so much but it's not just that I hate perverted sexuality and believe God does too... it's that I feel like she lied to me about who she was and threw me away for her new life and I just feel so betrayed. How do I stop feeling guilty for the breakup, and how do I deal with the anger, the bitterness, and the hurt? How can I try and reach out to her when she will only let me into her life if I love this woman that has destroyed the version of her that I knew and loved?
Yeah so true i know a girl who s a new christian and still living with her non believer boyfriend i don t think it s okay i don t think she will grow in her faith if she stays with him
Exodus 8:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, Go unto Pharaoh, and say unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Let my people go, that they may serve me. LET MY PEOPLE GO THAT THEY MAY SERVE ME - GOD.
Staying aligned in and out of season..is the plant betrayed when a seed takes root? Has the butterfly been forsaken by its cacoon? Birth, and rebirth has a time stamp,and is always ordained, predestined, and increased for the Glory of its Creator❤🐛🦋🌱🍇
Yeah, that perfectionist attitude or nothing, is controlling behavior. It's become its own religion. Self righteousness on display. Christ is no where in it.
Tim, we need to hear from Preston. You're sharing too much personal experience, which distracts from what's important in the conversation. Additionally, your unnecessary interjections to show agreement are quite annoying. Please focus on defining what betrayal is. Preston, could you do an uninterrupted podcast on the topic of betrayal? Thank you.
I find that with Preston. Preston interrupts Tim a lot before he can finish his points, he just latches on. But I love them both. It just may be they're both excited to share they're experiences
@@suziesmith9076 not true at all if you look at their clips, there's time when Preston will interject right before Tim can finish his points. But this is truly how they dialogue. It seems like u keep blaming Tim, Tim, tim, like Preston hasn't done it before
“My flesh is always right when I’m alone “. 🤯 You two are my spiritual uncles and I will love you forever 😊 Thank you for helping us!
Loving the transparency... Both of you are freeing many of us. Thank you for the gifts that you are to the body
“You aren’t wrestling with the enemy, you are wrestling with me”. 41:58 Man I wasn’t going to listen to this episode. Arrogantly thought I knew what you were going to say and didn’t want to hear it. But I’m so glad God put it on my heart to listen and humble myself. God is speaking through you two. Keep it up!
Such a solid episode. Thank you both. I didn’t know we were walking into some of the angles and depths you talked about but they’re welcomed and so needed! 🙏🏼
So needed to hear this today. Currently going through what I thought was betrayal but now I am seeing as a change of season and/or just time to get off the bus. I will be become better for this. Thank you!!
The Holy Ghost that flows through this pod is just so on time and POTENT! Thank you for your timeliness and keen discernment. We all benefit, fam! Love y’all deep!
You are 1 hr into this so I will have to see it from the beginning.
I was betrayed by my own family and have been battling it for 1.5 yrs. I'm trying to forgive and grieve but its been very hard. Please pray, I need GOD'S strength.
i feel you. i'll pray for you :)
I am loving every second of this one! Praise God! Thanks to Preston and Tim.
As I was watching this the words that came to mind are disappointment and bitterness. Disappointment and betrayal are not the same! (Thanks for clarifying that in this episode.) Which is why I wasn't sure if i wanted to comment.
I find loving people hard. I find dealing with unmet expectations hard. For me, that's why prayer and solid community is so important. Like how Preston has Tim.
For me, the harder thing is how to live in hope after someone has disappointed me.
*How can I be a person that doesn't close myself off to new friendships?
*How do I choose to believe that the next person won't treat me the same as the previous one did?
I'm dealing with this right now. I can think of 2 people in my life who have changed in positive ways. One that I've known a long time, and another less than 6 months.(Not something I'm used to.)
I feel like Abba is using these people to help me heal past emotional wounds. While I am thankful for His healing power, growing/changing is exhausting.😂
Omg y’all are awesome I cannot tell you. Your conversations help me heal in ways I didn’t know I needed because you help reveal wounds I never knew I had. Thank you!
THANK YOU!!!!! for this conversation. 😢
Appreciate the point of view related to Jonah. Fabulous. Mind blown.
Wow Tim & Preston, just wow!!!! Cutting real deep with this episode. Very timely, life saving. Thank you!!❤️🩹🙏🏽
Grateful for you guys.
This was a tough conversation to listen to because God abhors the behavior of a deceitful person. This was a very light hearted conversation so much so that the person who deceives believes that they are not guilty of doing wrong (sin) which in return encourages them not to apologize and repent. The Bible speaks on verbal agreements and being a man of your word. We worship a just God and if your breaking promises, lying, incurring debts, etc He will make you answer for it. My stance if I was participating in this conversation would be let your yea be yea and your nay be nay. Matthew 5:37 God bless❤️
Literally about me and my ex husband. We have littles I cannot afford to be bitter 🙏🏽 😓
You are not alone lady.❤
It is not this simple. Especially when so many hurt you at the same time over a long period of time. When you know God could show up and there is no justice. I don’t even know how to talk to God anymore. My trust is shattered.
I’m so sorry😢 I know the feeling, just don’t give up on God. He’s with you even in the silence. Keep seeking him, he loves you dearly and you are so precious to him❤ sending love and hugs❤ Remember what they meant for evil, God means it for good. He will turn the situation around always but there is a good purpose for you that he wants you to experience. Stay positive, stay hopeful, don’t look back.
💔💔💔💔I’m so sorry you’re going through this.
Putting any faith and trust in humans is futile.
However…
If you can, rebuild your relationship with God. Just focus on him. Everyday ask him questions pertaining to HIM. Sometimes our world is broken down to rebuild with TRUTH.
It’s not easy!!! Trust me know I know but if you really trust that vengeance belongs to the Lord you will be at peace. If you keep yourself from being in offense you are doing an amazing job by not giving the enemy anything to work with and your pride won’t overtake you. It’s definitely takes practice but you do have to forgive. Having unforgiveness in your heart only hardens your heart against God and others. We are suppose to follow Jesus, not our feelings. Of course acknowledge our feelings - feel what you’re feeling and talk to God and not suppress them…surrender them to the Lord. Again I had to learn this over time. You honestly gotta let the pain go cause your keeping yourself from healing so be strong ❤❤❤
Same
You’re absolutely right it’s not simple nor easy. Having said that, I think it’s necessary. No rush, no expectations on timeline but embracing the journey of healing, walking, feeling and letting go of things and clinging desperately to God is necessary. I only say this because I allowed betrayal to harden my heart, lose trust in God that lead to rebellion for years and it was the worst thing I did. God sees. God is good. He’s not finished ❤
I'm currently healing from past betrayal trauma and also betrayal trauma that's still happening, and it's the worst pain that I've ever experienced. Trying to heal from past betrayal trauma while going through more betrayal trauma is absolutely twisted. Betrayal trauma is real, it's super ugly, and healing from it feels like a nearly-impossible feat. I haven't been myself, and I'm still not myself. I feel like I can't see straight for the life of me because my heart is a broken mess that's currently still breaking; however, if I view my brokenness through the lens of Yahweh's Heart, I know that He is currently Redeeming my story and that I can see straight through His Perspective for me. I feel like I lost a huge part of me, but I know that Yahweh Restores my soul, and that He Restores to better than before. Part of me thinks, "how in the world can I ever come back from this?" and "look at me: I'm an absolute mess" and "everyone is going to run away from me because I'm so broken." I feel like the healing process from this is like I'm walking through a shifting maze in the dark with mirrors and minefields in it. And as I'm going through this healing process, I'm so deathly afraid of losing - and losing loved ones (y'all included) is the biggest one.
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"Betrayal just doesn't leave you isolated - it puts you in solitary confinement. And the only place to go from there is crazy. Because it's so dark, you can't see your hand in front of you, and left to your own self, if I'm only talking to me about the whole world, I'm not going to draw any good conclusions."
"My flesh is always right when I'm alone. If your heart has no visitors, it's not because your life has no humans."
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"Where there are relationships, there will always be the opportunity for betrayal.
It's unavoidable."
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"Betrayal is the mismanagement of the vulnerability that I shared with you."
"When I think of betrayal, I think of purposefully hurting beyond what is mutually agreeable (because there's hurt in every relationship; we're humans); purposeful hurt in an attempt to not just create distance, but even sever the relationship while acting like there still is a relationship."
These definitions are spot on. 💔
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"There's pre-meditation. Betrayals are not accidental."
"Every step of betrayal is scripted."
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"I think one of the things we bump into on a semi-consistent basis is sometimes people misunderstand the changing of a season for the act of betrayal. And because it's so personal, then it becomes personal in the heart of the person in this attack mode - when really at the core, it was God Changing the seasons."
"We live in a culture that's like, "Hey, you outgrow some people and you're going to the next," and I was thinking to myself sometimes people outgrow us. Some people outgrew us, and we've made outgrowing somebody betrayal. We've made outgrowing somebody this kind of superior/inferior thing."
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"A bus driver never laments when somebody gets off, and they never celebrate when somebody gets on, because at the end of their shift, they'll be the only one on the bus. So, why don't you just enjoy everybody on the ride?
"This - it helps us to celebrate people rather than ruminate and create anger towards the very blessings that we couldn't have lived without for certain seasons of our lives. Seasonal shifts are not bad betrayals. It's just a changing of the season."
"The enemy can come in and influence us to indemnify anyone who can't be for life."
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"I think this whole "it's either all good or all bad" is not healthy. And I actually wonder if it's leading to some of the anxious epidemic that we're experiencing on the earth that it either has to be all good or all bad rather than make space for both and say, "life in a fallen world with God Who is Present has much good - and - it's a fallen world where God's enemy roams."
This is incredibly cathartic. Thank y'all. ✝🐑🛡❤🩹
Sheesh! This conversation was soooo good! Thank you for this.
Thank you, this was very helpful. May God help me in building roads for Safe people into my life.
Thank you so much for this episode. I needed it. Thank you for explaining the difference between betrayal and transition. I learned that seasons of transitions are hard, but are part of the journey.
🙌🏼thank you Tim, this is me all day everyday for those I love, just the same as you, the abuse I endured when I was young, thank you for being the same as me but my family thinks im ungodly or other words I won’t type. Thank you for being relatable and that it’s ok…I love hard…Blessings my bro in Chris 🥰❤️🩹🙏🏼
I wish I had this advice @ 1:32:17 when I was growing up. I always stayed quiet about anything I went through out of fear of the shame it would bring and if my family would be able to handle the things I was going through.
really enjoyed this episode... wondering if we could get a part two discussing the dynamics of engagement when we are called to stay in proximity to a betrayer for a greater purpose; thinking through Jesus washing Judas' feet - are there instances where we are called to exercise this level of grace? what do healthy boundaries look like in this instance?
Ughhh. . . 56:41. I had to catch myself when I was in this pattern with my boyfriend the other day. The issue I have is what do I do with the emotion that the behavior elicits even though I KNOW that the intention behind it wasn't the same as it was with past ex's.
Such a great episode! ❤
Thank you very much
whooooo Im so exited for this one
When I’m alone! Yessss! B/c when I’m convinced that all people are going to hurt me or disappoint me then I definitely will seek alone … he’s reading me mail
Your doggone thumbnails!! 😮💨😮💨ok I’m ready.
me waving bye back to tim like im 3😂
Buy the book,” The Bait of Satan everyone it’s spot on with this episode
I was going to say that 😂😂😂 that book cut me deep in the first chapter
Betrayal is sin. Because it requires lying, and breaking vows. The one practicing betrayal need prayer and intervention before they lose their soul.
It really feels like betrayal when your sister suddenly announces she is lesbian and wants you to attend her wedding. I thought that we had no secrets from each other and I trusted her all my life with mine... we went through a lot of hardship together growing up, but the moment we immigrated and gained independence she dedicated herself to a completely different lifestyle. A lifestyle that she knew I didn't believe God would bless, so how could she expect me to suddenly approve and celebrate with her? I felt so betrayed... but maybe it was a changing of the seasons. Its very hard to know when you are so involved and it can be hard to see things clearly. Maybe God wanted me to stop idolizing her... I loved her too much maybe. But it just feels senseless and it makes me question if I ever really knew her? Did she lie to me for years? Why did she never trust me? Did I do something wrong? Was I not a good enough friend to her? What else was she hiding? She doesn't even talk to me now since I refused to even meet that woman that she loves. I'm struggling every day with the bitterness. It hurts that she would prefer a woman she has only known for three months over her own sister who she has survived so much with. We haven't seen each other for more than a year now. If I died she wouldn't know. If she got hurt, I wouldn't know. It hurts so much but it's not just that I hate perverted sexuality and believe God does too... it's that I feel like she lied to me about who she was and threw me away for her new life and I just feel so betrayed. How do I stop feeling guilty for the breakup, and how do I deal with the anger, the bitterness, and the hurt? How can I try and reach out to her when she will only let me into her life if I love this woman that has destroyed the version of her that I knew and loved?
Lord I just miss the love of my life
You did surgery on me with this episode. I don’t have IG but I’d love your help on current relationships I have.
What about in a marriage? What scriptures say to let go in a marriage?
♥️
Yeah so true i know a girl who s a new christian and still living with her non believer boyfriend i don t think it s okay i don t think she will grow in her faith if she stays with him
Exodus 8:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, Go unto Pharaoh, and say unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Let my people go, that they may serve me. LET MY PEOPLE GO THAT THEY MAY SERVE ME - GOD.
Staying aligned in and out of season..is the plant betrayed when a seed takes root? Has the butterfly been forsaken by its cacoon? Birth, and rebirth has a time stamp,and is always ordained, predestined, and increased for the Glory of its Creator❤🐛🦋🌱🍇
Season ended then a year of betrayal
Will God tell your partner to go even if you two are married?
I really need an answer to this to!
Yeah, that perfectionist attitude or nothing, is controlling behavior. It's become its own religion. Self righteousness on display. Christ is no where in it.
Tim, we need to hear from Preston. You're sharing too much personal experience, which distracts from what's important in the conversation. Additionally, your unnecessary interjections to show agreement are quite annoying. Please focus on defining what betrayal is. Preston, could you do an uninterrupted podcast on the topic of betrayal? Thank you.
I find that with Preston. Preston interrupts Tim a lot before he can finish his points, he just latches on. But I love them both. It just may be they're both excited to share they're experiences
Not necessary, listen to the message.
It’s true Tim talks too much about him and not enough about Christ
Prez and Tim talk like this all the time...we just get to listen in. Thank you Holy Spirit !
@@suziesmith9076 not true at all if you look at their clips, there's time when Preston will interject right before Tim can finish his points. But this is truly how they dialogue. It seems like u keep blaming Tim, Tim, tim, like Preston hasn't done it before
Wow this set me free!🤍🙏🏻