Remember that the meat we aet now won't change much in taste but the veggie stuff has the potential to taste even better and be healthier given the time and research
Nope. Lab-created nutrients are often toxic or just worthless and extracted nutrients lose their potency or get completely destroyed when you transport them from one food to another. Humans have evolved to eat grass-fed animals for millions of years and nothing will ever be created that nutritionally trumps food from healthy animals.
@@axel-fu9hx go to a slaughter house if you have a heart. You might stop and stop justifying the murder and torture, I ate meat for 30 years.. watched the documentary dominion and don't ever look back.. but each to their own, the choice is yours as mine is mine. Peace☮ out
Sad that the benefit of animals not suffering wasn't mentioned, that for me is what matters the most after seeing documentaries on RUclips like "land of hope and glory" once you see what happens to such gentle scared animals in a slaughter house you can't unsee it 😔
@@BastiatC yes and if you feed an animal to then eat it you need 12 times the crops therefore a vegan burger reduces animal deatsh by more than 12 times
Yeah I know it's sad but it's part of nature. If you can imagine a predator free world then you can also imagine the future within few years the number of life on the planet will reach 100 - 200 billions big animals like elephants and girrafes will probably eat out all the big trees & smaller ones like mice will eat out all the small plants before they even peak out of the ground & the number will keep rising to 300-400 billions of animals and all plants will be ravaged you'll only see dead bodies of animals which were starved to death or died for lack of oxygen . So deal with reality the nature is cruel but perfectly balanced we can kill all predators and turn the world into a vegan paradise but it won't last . So make peace with the cruelty of nature & don't feel sad .
You can always trust the industry to make good tasting food, that is not the problem. The problem lies in the processing - the chemicals used are poison for your body (same goes for non vegan processed foods as well). Stay away from processed foods!
Don’t forget the most important thing, for an vegan burger you don’t have to take the life on an sentient animal! No vegan burgers aren’t healthy they are loaded with saturated fats and sodium. But that’s not the point, you don’t have to kill an animal and still enjoy the sensation of an burger
I have to admit, I've no issue with killing something to survive, the same way I've no issue being eaten by worms and insects when I'll die. It's the cycle of life. By being born, you're the product of billions of years of "murders". Even herbivores don't mind eating meat when necessary.
@@merguezmouillee2614 I also don't have nothing against killing for survival. But only when it's necessary. But now we don't have to kill to survive. And it's unfair to animals to make them live in such terrible condition, as it is now.
@@Georg93 You actually want to say we don't have to kill cute animals in front of our eyes. Agriculture is killing so many insects, birds, reptiles, etc. Never forget that.
That will happen as more people consume these options :) but remember there are a lot of invisible costs with meat, dairy and egg products and they are subsidised, so everyone pays for them with their taxes. Not to mention medical bills down the line.
@@heatherdyett9119 Yes but "remember there are a lot of invisible costs with ALL agricultural products and they are subsidised, so everyone pays for them with their taxes. Not to mention medical bills down the line." All mono crop agriculture is destroying our planet, including V peoples, and that sh*te is really unhealthy for you too.
@@tezzo55 Mono crop agriculture is unhealthy for you? Or what do you mean? But yes, I agree it is destroying our planet so we need less of it. Considering we feed the majority of grains, corn and soy to the billions of land animals we farm, we could and should divert that to human mouths - ideally, with help from rational politians (wouldn't that be a dream), we could solve the human famine crisis and still have some land to spare. Plus we could rewild supposed "grazing-only" areas to restore some biodiversity. I'm all for food forests though. Or even planting various crops alongside or on top of each other, so they help each other ward off pests, lock in nitrogen and there could be longer harvest periods.
I love fast food burgers. Always have, always will. Then I went vegetarian so 99% of my favorite junk food lunches went out of the window. Until Burger Kind introduced the impossible whopper. It's almost the exact same thing, not quite, but actually better. Let's not kid ourselves - the bar to clear in the fast food industry is so low for meat alternatives. I really don't miss the sad little brown things they call patties anymore. Can't wait for MiccyD's to follow suit. BTW one thing I miss from Germany is the McChicken. Here in the States they use mayo instead of the awesome sweet and sour sauce :(
@David Brower you do know plants does not feel pain but animals do for me if you're killing a living thing that feels pain you should kill it the humane way so that the animal won't feel pain
@@user-lu6cy7hm2t amino acids and b are mostly found in animal products. why the heck should he switch to something like plants that isn't as efficient as meat.
@@user-lu6cy7hm2t there's also health related concern about flax seeds. also they don't fall off trees. u are gonna kill billions of plants. and to correct ur first statement, no seeds aren't most efficient amino acid source. they are most efficient plant based source. but they are not as efficient as animal meat. don't believe me?? go to webmd and see what's the most efficient amino acid source. amino acid comes from protein. meats are always higher in protein. that's why meat is much more efficient.
also, what about mushrooms? as meat alternative and as food in general - it would be interesting to know the impact of their production, as well as nutritional advantages if there are any
I find the term "processed" to be vague and unhelpful. Those who think that "processed" food is harmful need to A; define what they mean by "processed" and B; show exactly what is harmful about it. And no, there is no good data to show that "processed" is significantly more harmful than whatever passes for unprocessed. Sure there are correlations, but taking those as proof has led us down many dark, blind alleys before. We need to show causative links. I don't care if a burger is made from vegetables as long as I like the taste and it costs no more than meat.
The trouble with the term 'processed' is it's a 'blanket term' that covers so many processes and to such differing degrees. White bread might be less healthy than wholemeal bread - yet both are still processed, since baking is still a process. Unfortunately, with there now being a drive to add the carbon footprint of a product on the packaging (in addition to nutrition, recycling and allergen warnings), there's less and less room for adding too much more extra information - such as a processed value.
@@freshbakedclips4659 Under what definition though? What is considered a ¨process¨ and what isn't? Wherever you draw the line I feel like it's rather arbitrary. I have friends (particularly in western and Mediterranean Europe) who consider frozen vegetables to be processed food. Just frozen veggies like frozen peas nothing added to them. Which i guess yes, flash freezing is technically a ¨process¨ i guess but frozen produce is perfectly healthy, potentially even healthier than fresh produce because it can be picked at peak ripeness not prior.
Not everyone cares for animal welfare, for me i went vegan not because i like animals (i dont) but because i saw a slaughter house video and felt it was unnatural to do that to a creature on this earth that is treated like a piece of garbage. If i could grow my own cow and kill it (which i cant because i would bond with it too easily), i would do that but since i have no desire to skin and kill a cow i might as well just be a vegan so thats what i did. Personally if i was a meat eater and saw more of those peta things i would be turned off of being a vegan. STAY AWAY from animal welfare messages plz and you will have a better chance at winning meat eaters over.
Where I live in Quebec Canada we have less choice then what is available in Europe, at least that is what I have found locally. Some of them are really good, however I would like the packaging to be made from something other then plastic
Don't worry, Zero. Not so long ago, it was the same here in Scotland. Then quite suddenly the choice in plant-based foods expanded very quickly. Even though there have been all the restrictions and lockdowns, there somehow seemed to be new items on the shelves whenever I booked a groceries delivery. I'm quite sure you will soon find the same happening over there in Quebec. I too would like to see an alternative to plastic packaging. The vegan items specific to my local supermarket are - I'm glad to say - sensibly packaged in cardboard boxes in quite a number of instances. However, there's still much room for improvement, especially among the branded products.
I sometimes see frozen vegan chicken patties sold in just paper boxes without plastic wrapping around the patties even, and there doesn't seem to be any problems with this method, so I appreciate it.
Try living in the south in the US where here they deep fry everything .. even healthy food .. the past 5 years the vegan options "have" increased here in rural areas but Americans are so behind other country's on soooooo many things.
@@user-lu6cy7hm2t being a planet conscience vegan in the "south" is HARD but do-able .. plenty of recipes that can't be made due to NOT being able to obtain crucial ingredients. Not sure what got you so upset and twisted your panties when I was commenting on the guy in Canada problem!
I prefer to save my health and I eat only meat from my village. Without chemicals hormones and bullshits I don't give a sh*t for veganism go to malnourish your self guys.
Like how they taste but hate how all of the most accessible brands come in plastic packaging. Are there any brands that don't come with a PET tray and some other wrapper?
@@someguy2135 at least where I live, meat is not usually sold in plastic packaging, you can get it in significantly high amounts with very little to no plastic packaging at local farmer's markets, for example. If you buy everything on the supermarket then that's a different story. Everything (meat and vegetables both) can be acquired there already packaged, but there's still the same option as in conventional farmer's markets so you still get to choose. You can even bring your own container (glass, plastic or cloth bags) from home, as long as it's clean, to the farmer's market whether it's for vegetables, meat or fish. I prefer other meat alternatives that don't need packaging over meat-like processed ones that do use packaging, there's a lot of tasty vegan and vegetarian recipes out there that can help replace all or some of the meat for many people so I don't really see the need for these meat-mimicking foods... If somebody refuses to eat vegetables at all, I'd say that the problem is the lack of education on healthy diet and behaviour, not the lack of tasty options. I don't see why meat replacements like these could make a difference for such a person. Besides, I find much more interesting to focus on helping people find veggie recipes they'll love and which will become permanent replacements for some of the meat they eat just because they love those too. Well, at least, that's what really helped me partially replace meat (not that I used to eat that much anyway). I still eat meat, but more like an occasional "side dish" (for example, beans with two or three small bite size meat pieces per meal) so that there's a somewhat steady amount in my diet. From time to time, maybe once every other month (sometimes sooner, sometimes later depending on if I feel like I need it or not), I "indulge" myself a bit and buy some extra chicken so that there's a compromise between my health and the impact I have on the planet. To sum it up, my point was that, at least where I live now (Europe) it's easier to get unwrapped veggies, fish and/or meat compared to processed meat-mimicking foods (these last ones always come wrapped as far as I know) and that's it's good to replace meat but not necessarily with these processed products. Especially considering that there are already pretty tasty veggie foods and recipes out there that don't need any wrapping and are likely to be healthier overall.
I tried beyond burger and it tasted good. That texture what we like in meat, there was even more of it in beyond burger, so it tasted more meaty than a real burger. The main problem of course is, it costs 4-5 times more than a real burger patties at least here in Finland and that is just way way too expensive. So unless the prices goes down, i keep eating a real meat.
there's other cheaper alternatives, some veggie burgers that don't taste like meat are pretty good, and sometimes even cheaper than meat, at least that's the case for me in Spain.
@@tehcupcakes6868 Simply provide more of the things that people like about meat then the real thing. Meat isn't magic, nothing about the experience of eating it can't be synthesized.
not sure how these studies are calculated, but do keep in mind much of the water farm animals drink is rainwater, and much of the food cows and pigs eat are recycled (would have been thrown out otherwise), so that should be taken into account whenever we claim how much raising animals is resource consuming. The video also makes fat sound like a bad thing. What kind of fat is it? Meat substitutes often use highly processed and inflammatory vegetable oils (a recent invention), while normal meat is just animal fat that humans have been adapted to eat for a very long time. Of course there are real ethical and environmental concerns for eating meat, all I'm saying, learn from a variety of sources (I recommend the RUclips Channel "What I've Learned", do keep in mind it's biased).
You can read up on the exact methodology of the Life Cycle Analysis (LCA) of each study cited in the video in the links in the description box! Most of the water and food provided to animals in industrial farming facilities is sadly not "recycled" - large swaths of land are used to produce feed for livestock and livestock only. Some studies show a correlation between vegetable oils high in Omega-6 fatty acids and inflammation, but no causation, and it depends highly on which oil you are looking at. The Impossible burger and beyond burger e.g. use coconut oil and canola oil which are low in omega-6 fatty acids, but also include sunflower oil, which has a higher content. And even if the content is high, Omega-3 and Omega-6 fatty acids are polyunsaturated fats and "may help prevent and even treat heart disease and stroke. In addition to reducing blood pressure, raising HDL, and lowering triglycerides, polyunsaturated fats may help prevent lethal heart rhythms from arising." You can read more on this where the quote came from: www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/the-truth-about-fats-bad-and-good. :)
The concept of whole food plant based is neither of these and they are both processed. All major religions globally have one common message "Thou shall not Kill"
Fake meat doesn't taste good, on average. The impossible burger- one of the better tasting fake beef burgers imho- tastes like a fast food burger, but that isn't really saying much, if you compare how poorly a fast food burger tastes to one made with fresh beef. Personally, I like a lot of plant based foods, I love veggies and fruits, I love grains, I don't need fake meat. I think things like black bean patties taste far better than fake meat ones and a lot of the time, also better than cheap real meat (a la Burger King, McDonald's etc). Just eat plants, don't bother trying to fake meat. For environmental benefits, we don't all have to go vegan, for animal welfare benefits, we don't all have to go vegan. Eating **less** meat, and doing better to de-insustrialize meat in favor of small scale, more local, responsibly raised meat/other animal products is enough to bring about HUGE differences in both animal welfare and the environment. If we really care about animals and the environment, we should also definitely do better with the plant-foods industries, grocery industry practices, packaging and waste, not just focus on meat and ignore an the other problems with how we feed ourselves.
Now if they could just make the alternative meats without all of the highly processed/inflammatory vegetable oils like sunflower and canola or at least use organic/cold pressed vegetable oils; I’m sticking to traditional meat alternatives until this changes..
10:36 It's kind of laughable to hear the words "better for the planet" in the same frame as a showcase of mass produced food that is wrapped in so much plastic.
What concerns me is what they are adding to the vegetable protein to make them taste like meat and what those components risk are to health. Better to eat real foods and not manufactured ones.
I saw a comparison between Tesco burgers and plant based burgers. The plant based had less fat, less saturated fat, less sugar, fewer carbs and more protein.
Great video. Vegan for many years. Tried many meat subs. Some are very good at mimicking the meat taste. I personally don't need that much so I prefer the healthier burgers that are made from minced legumes vegies and spices. Delivers a good taste in a familiar "burger" shape.
@DW Planet A : If you're going to do such comparisons, then the meat this should be based on is pasture raised, grass-fed beef and pork animals, as well as lamb, and free range chickens and turkey fed feed grown by the farmer, which most likely means from small and medium sized farms, rather than mega farms. In terms of the chickens raised as just stated, the eggs I prefer to buy in Quebec, Canada, are from the Clovis Gauthier farm of Qc and they allow their chickens to roam freely in good conditions, except for the hens laying eggs, for they're placed in cages for the time that they'll be laying the eggs, but they're all fed feed that's produced on this farm, rather than buying feed from large corporations in which case the farmers can't really know what's in the feed, what it fully consists of. For meat, I've been finding that not all chickens are really good or pleasant to eat, but have found some here from farms that evidently are good producers. I notice the differences when getting the latter chicken, right away, with the first bite alone. I have had some vegan sausages and sausage patties that were okay and would consume them again, but if wanted to become regularly vegan, then why not simply consume certified organic brown rice with certified organic lentils. I read that that can be enough to sustain a person over long periods, though read this plenty of years ago, like maybe around ten, and no longer have the bookmark so can't provide the link and don't think it would be quick to get the same link again using a Web search. I would want to continue having salads though. But, I consume meats and fish, plus seafoods, when I can and am in a "mood" for it, not expecting any change to this to happen anytime soon. Of course that includes eggs.
Considering these are mass-produced products I think it’s correct to compare them to factory farmed animal meat and products. That’s what they are replacing. Although when comparing environmental impacts it’s important to note that free range, grass fed is not better. It takes longer for these animals to reach “slaughter weight” so that means more feed and water, and more methane from ruminants. It also requires immensely more land so not good for biodiversity if you’re taking away forest or potential wild land to farm them. Which is also why most people can’t eat this type of animal at their high rate of meat consumption. The earth doesn’t have enough land to sustain that. I agree what you say regarding lentils and brown rice. I mean you’d need some leafy greens added to that - most people don’t eat enough of that anyway. Yay to powerhouse salads! Like mine with chickpeas, almond butter or hummus, quinoa and broccoli. And of course the base - mixed greens, cucumber and tomato :)
For muscles its not the same you have the same amount of protein but the amount of amino acid is not the same you need to eat twice as much plant protein to get the same amino acids like for exampel egg/chicken. As an adult u need like 75g of protein but i would recommend more if you eat plant based and if you do sport/bodybuilding you need 1.5g-2g per kilo bodyweight
the land use and water use are by far the biggest negative impacts of growing animals, also food to feed them. Also antibiotics goes mostly to livestock. Theres pros and cons to both but no matter how you spin it vegan meat will always be the better option for the planet and for the animals. Thats what matters.
The more you process and change food to a level it doesn't resemble what originally was the more you get something unhealthy, we just need to eat less meat.
That’s very true. It’s imperative for curbing further catastrophe and not hitting 2degrees that everyone eat less meat. Crazy that processed fake meat is still less unhealthy than the “original” stuff. Although bacon or a beef burger don’t resemble what it originally was at all either, they have faces. 🐷🐮
i feel like these sort of products are made to appeal those who feel guilty for meat consumption or who feel pressured to be vegetarian but don't actually want to. if the concept of crushing a legume and kneading it fascinates you so much, maybe try out falafel? that's just an example i'm familiar with. i'm sure there are plenty of other examples in many cultures. the most valuable move you can make as a vegan is learn how to actually... cook plants lol
If you're gonna make dietary changes in the name of the environment, you really should be buying local, seasonal produce. It doesn't matter what it is, as long as it's locally grown/raised, with local and organic resources (fertilizers or feed) and doesn't use unnatural amounts of water.
Meat has a larger CO2eq-footprint than non-seasonal non-local plant food. So it still matters what it is. It's even the most important part for its impact on climate change, pandemic control, ... .
@@tofu-munchingCoalition.ofChaos i assure you the cattle that live in the hills near my family home and walk free all year with only some supplemental wheat straw (grain byproduct) in winter do not have a larger environmental impact than avocados or almonds which are shipped from California to Denmark. These are animals which have been living in this land for thousands of years, it doesn’t matter how much methane they fart as long as you only eat what the land can sustain. My garden chickens which live 95% on kitchen scraps and garden bugs do not have a larger environmental impact than tofu made from soybeans, another crop which cannot efficiently grow in my country. I’m talking about literally getting your food from within a 50 mile radius of your home, which uses only sustainable local resources.
@@tofu-munchingCoalition.ofChaos You’re saying the land can’t sustain animals??? Humans displaced wild animals, even in national parks like the one i mentioned it’s impossible to reintroduce the local large fauna which lived there before humans put up fences everywhere, like aurox or wolves, due to immigration patterns and human contact danger. WHY should we not keep cattle in these areas? Or wild pigs? Animals which add to the biodiversity and alter the landscape like they’ve done for thousands of years. The methane problem doesn’t come from cows it comes from wild over-production of beef. I’m not talking about buying from a factory farm that’s just outside your city. I’m talking about closed loop farming and animal husbandry which only uses local resources. No tankers, no phosphate from mining, no deforestation, only what you can plant and grow without ever leaving that 50km radius. Same for vegetables. Eat the apple that grows in your local orchard rather than the mango which is shipped from 2000km away. Eat eggs from your backyard chicken rather than tofu made from soy beans. Tofu production creates 35kg of CO2 per kg of product, for eggs it’s just 3,75kg. And that’s not even accounting for the shipping of soy or the fact that all my eggs come from my yard meaning they produce at least 75% less CO2. OR that tofu has 2/3 as much protein as eggs and 1/3 as much as beef. That means i can easily get 1/10th of my protein from (conventional) beef and the rest from those eggs, and still produce less CO2 that a vegan who gets their protein from soy products. That’s of course a gross oversimplification, but i think it’s clear that plants vs animal products is NOT black and white when it comes to climate change.
@@JohnPorsbjerg I am vegan but I can never eat that lab manufactured stuff. I buy local and fresh produce. Much healthier and good for the environment.
Does your plant based meat have the ingredient "natural flavor" in it? It sounds so nice and polite but how many chemicals can be in the ingredient called natural flavor which are hidden and unknown to the public unless you are the chemist that creates this stuff in the lab? As many as 100? Does your unflavored and unsweetened soy or almond milk have something called natural flavor in it? Can the term natural flavor wreck your metabolism?
No matter how delicious that vegan meat, it will never ever replace the essential amino acids that we get from real meat. Look at those people in Africa who are 90% vegans, they all have protruding bellies because of hormonal imbalance and their average life years is 50. Humans have no special intestinal bacteria that could convert plants into protein. We will start to see 20 years old that looks 50 because of Confusion and irritability, Diarrhea or constipation, Fatigue, Headaches, Irregular or fast heart rate (arrhythmia), Muscle cramps, muscle spasms or weakness, Nausea and vomiting, Numbness or tingling in limbs, fingers and toes.
You missed a big point. Plant based meat was created not just to save the environment, more importantly it is to save the animals from suffering in factory farming.
While the animal suffering component of being vegan is very important (That was my reason for going vegan), this channel is literally about the planet and has a lot of videos discussing how to save the environment so it’s not surprising that they’ve taken this angle and not mentioned animal suffering. It isn’t a vegan channel. It’s focused on the planet and environment.
One of the "problems" is the way we see "waste" and "resources input"... In the meat industry, when rain water reaches the ground (any ground, pastored or a building) that water is counted as "used to grow the animal" wich is incorrect, or if thats correct, crops should have the same treatment but they don't ... And that super misleading And the far majority of fed for the animals is actually, part of our food we don't eat, like corn, we eat the actual corn, and the cows eat the plant who made the corn, so thats actually good for the environment, they eat the plant we eat the corn and the cow ... Easy math
i often try out new 'alternatives' although ive been vegan for so long i no longer remember what animal meat tasted like. usually these products do taste good but leave a feeling it wasnt a particularly healthy meal, and they are not exactly cheap.. has anyone heard of cheap, healthy and tasty vegan meat?-)
One market I went to had bulk (weight out and buy how much you'd like) dry textured soy protein. It was good to mix with things for a ground beef alternative. I remember it being roughly $2 USD per pound.
@DW Planet A - Maybe you should research why seed oil that are used in this vegan meat are very likely the root cause of atherosclerosis? Or why this "meat" is so nutrient poor in comparison to real meat?
you're worried about the seed oil in veggie burgers causing atherosclerosis when they're replacing meat that contains cholesterol, saturated fat, trans fat. etc.. ? All compounds proven to cause atherosclerotic plaque.
this vid is hardly balanced, you took the water usage claims directly off impossible foods(who have it in their best interest to exaggerate the water usage of agri foods) without fact checking
We asked independent experts whether the numbers check out. It’s always very hard to assess a life cycle analysis without all the data insights, but replicated studies on meat substitutes came to similar conclusions.
@@DWPlanetA water consumption of the agri industry is not consistent across countries. For example in Thailand where duck and chickens are predominantly fed with rice bran(left overs from rice harvesting) that us humans don't consume. Veggies chicken burgers would unironically increase land use as a result. This subject is fairly deep and the solution is not a single silver bullet as much as impossible foods or any fake meat co likes to say
@@slushypuppies not to mention what types of water they are using. animal farms mostly use rain water whereas grains and fruit farms use good amount of water from underground and rivers. so they create a scarcity of water which animal farms don't do that much even though they may use more water.
@@jahidulhasan4581 Yeah, also, animals pee. I know that sounds obvious but it means that a lot of the water that's used gets back to the land and is recycled that way.
My main worry about vegan meat is that what if the trend becomes so popular that restrants, fast food companies, and more start to falsely advertise real meat when in reality it is vegan all along. I would really hate to see this being exploited.
What about bioavailability and amino acid composition of plant based burgers? also the link to cancer is very weak and only from obervational data for meat. It seems that meat isnt directly carcinogenic it is rather a marker for unhealthy behaviours. If they control for high vegetable intake when people comsume more meat the carcinogenic effect diasppears.
i dont get the obsession of turning veggies to taste like meat... why not just cook some dope veggie dishes and eat meat less frequently? there are tonnes of great tasting curries and side dishes you can have with rice. you can even have meat with these dishes. if i wanted vegetables to taste like meat i'd rather just have the real meat instead.
Well, it's pretty simple. Meat is delicious but there are plenty of reasons (climate, ethics) to not eat it. Fake meats take away or minimize these negative things but keep the taste. But yeah sure, veggie dishes are great as well, but you can do both. People who eat these alternatives don't want the real meat because of these negative impacts. The whole point is *not* eating meat.
As a vegan I personally hate when vegan food taste or reminds me of meat. It make sense for ppl who crave meet but not me. The fleshy texture or flesh like smells are a big no for me
I love meat but just despise the texture. It doesn't matter how "soft" it is, it's always chewy, it's always gross. Plant based meat doesn't have that texture.
So true. Whenever I can I always eat vegans, they taste good, and I'm saving the planet from vegans, so it's a win win. Don't even think about veggies (when drunk they eat bacon.) No, remember vegans taste best (if a little bony.)
@@ksitigarbha9787 They definitely change. I crave meat sometimes I suppose, but on the rare occasion I eat meat, it doesn’t live up to my expectations. The less I eat, the less I enjoy it. That’s the opposite to the way around one might expect it to work!
I don't look for the taste of meat, and I love vegan burgers as much as I used to love meat burgers. I don't feel less energy on a plant based diet. I like the ones that are just baked beans, or processed.
All I can say is that plant based meat alternatives are good to have. If you have health or religious conditions that do not allow you to eat real meat, or if you just prefer the taste and feel it makes you healthier, it is always a great thing that these people have a choice. But lets not fool ourselves into thinking that if everyone stopped eating real meat that it would save the environment and planet one bit. Most of the arguments involving Land Occupation (for feed and rearing) and Water Consumption happily ignore the fact that most of the land used in livestock production cannot be farmed or used for large scale building. While when it comes to Water, the vast majority of the sources consumed by livestock comes from rain, dew and standing water that humans do not consume. Their feed is also made mostly from agricultural byproducts like corn husks, and food scraps that humans cannot or will not eat.
Ah yes, but since we wouldn't need to put aside anywhere so much land for raising plant crops if the animals weren't there to feed, we could rewild a lot of these unwanted pastures. Someone near me let their old pasture return to the wild, and a lot of unusual flower species lost to the region have started to grow. As they die down in winter, this will build soil levels, one of the best carbon stores, plus trees are starting to grow around the edges.
I've tried TVP made from soy protein. No matter how hard I try cooking it to be as similar as possible to meat, I cannot fool my taste buds. It still tastes like tofu skin. The newest plant-based meat products are not available in my neighborhood.
@@indocookingvids You can make plant based burgers from whole foods yourself. The taste will probably not come very close to meat, but it's better than tvp and it's healthy
This is a nie segment but you could have put in A LOT more information about the climate destruction and factory farming costs of animal agriculture. Methane gas, land use, water pollution, water use, the fact that 90% of the soya grown in the world is fed to animals, the destruction of forest for grazing and to grow more soya to feed animals, also it would have been cool if you could have traced more about the soya that’s used in the plant burgers. You should check out Dr. Michael Gregor’s podcast episodes on the carbon footprint of what we eat. I think a little more hard hitting journalism is what’s needed here DW!!
Two reasons I don't eat vegan meat (much) yet. 1. It's not spot on like real meat (except Impossible meat, that's really damn close and I would gladly eat that all the time) 2. It's so damn expensive
The whole point of eating vegan meat is so it's not from any animal. Not so it tastes great, are you too much of a sissy to handle some lesser tasting food? The second point sure, but that'll change over time as more and more care is given to vegan meat. If you only have some guy in a basement somewhere cooking this stuff up, it'll obviously be expensive. A third point I will add is soy. Half of the stuff I find is based on soy and there isn't enough from what I can tell about the consequences of mass consumption of soy, but if looking at the Japanese, it's not great for future generations. So many Japanese men look like their women, don't know if it's the soy or their origins though, I'll avoid soy just to be safe. More not-soy vegan stuff seems better.
@@Herkan97 really? Calling me a sissy? That’s sure a mature to handle this conversation. I have friends who offer me vegan stuff all the time and it isn’t bad, it just isn’t as good as the real thing yet for the most part. I won’t turn down the dish. But if I was at a restaurant and I had to choose between the real thing and the vegan thing? I’ll probably choose the real thing because it’ll be cheaper and it’ll taste better. But by no means do I think that vegan food is horrible.
With the economy and inflation the way it is going I would also be curious about the price differences for the consumer. Is the plant based meat affordable compared to real meat?
The whole video : *be a vegan* meat is worse than plant based meat Reality : this actually not really true Meat is way superior in taste, minerals, vitamins and a way better protein source than fake meat (the reason is its much easier to absorb real meat protein) And also there is a big difference between animal fat and Plant processed fat that is used in vegan products. plant oil is way worse (btw general cholesterol isn't a bad thing for humans LDL is the bad ) Even in the video the researcher said : it appears to be healthy but further study is needed And then she took that said it's healthier than meat as a definite result. I agree on doing what's better for the planet but saying shady or misleading result isn't the way to do that. Saying it's morally better them yeah i agree but laying about it health benefits is simply not the correct way. Sorry for the long comment.
We did this test with my friends, and everyone but one person found the meat. If you struggle, you really never ate meat or you bought the tasteless American meat
I still think plant-based patties have come a long way. 10 years ago, nobody would even think of eating one. I believe over the years as more research is done, they will resemble actual meat even more wile becoming more accessible for everyone
I love plant-based meat alternatives. Aside from the fact that the taste is pretty much the same as the real thing these days (since producers have always been keen to improve on their product), I know I'm not going to bite into a piece of teeth-sliding gristle any more (yuck!), and vegan sausage rolls aren't made up of eyeballs, cartilage, intestines and an animal's unmentionables. Too many cheap meat products are made up of animal scraps that you wouldn't even consider buying in their original state. Not only that! With vegan meat you know you'll never be caught out by another scandal whereby racehorse meat ended up on British supermarket shelves, or the danger of Mad Cow Disease (still claiming lives), or being inconvenienced by another outbreak of foot & mouth disease (which didn't just affect farmers, but a lot of other people who live in the countryside).
I am an old South Dakota boy who likes steak. However I have tried various impossible beef and boca burgers and other meat substitutes. I think they taste good. For perspective please bear in mind we Dakotanos we’re very accustomed to our moms stretching a pound of hamburger so far they could easily feed twelve people with a delicious meatloaf. That is why chicken Chow Mien works; feed lots of people with only one chicken 😀 My mom’s secret was canned anchovies (they dissolve when cooked), and of course Panko, a can of black olives or mushrooms, and poultry seasoning and Worcestershire sauce! 😀
plant based meats have on average 43% lower Emissions 77% land 76% water the expert in the video says. compared with other animals like pigs, or more so beef from cows it is a huuuge different, cuz they are not so "effective" as chicken. + no antibiotics so helping against b. resistant bacteria. that is huge.
For me, it is not important that the burgers taste like meat. I want a juicy burger with pleasant texture and good taste. Whether that be meat, fish or beets is not important. When I buy fast food I often go for the veggie burger, because fast food meat is often bland and dry.
They should've had Heura for the chicken test. The best one by far and it definitely fooled my friends to ask me ten times if I'm sure it's really vegan.
here people are protesting against life saving Vaccine, so now what would they think about vegan meat ? But I really appreciate the idea of vegan based meat.
As someone who tried to try to join vegan community (my diet is already mostly vegetable, so I want to try to go full way) but disgusted by the member, I want to say: Dear all vegan, it's not that most "meat eaters" hate veganism or specifically eat meat because its meat. It's simply because that's all we know and available for us. Rather than trying to make drawn out analogies about cows somewhere or trying to guilt trip us (which only make us hate you and eat meat to spite you), you'd be more successful if you could give alternative to meat. For example : dont refuse to go to BBQ because the meat, instead do go there but asked to bring your own meat substitute then show it to people there how delicious it is. Dont preach, just show that theres alternative that is just as good... and preferably as affordable as meat.
It is also important to know who produces your meat alternative - Garden Gourmet is a brand from NESTLÉ, which makes it actually worse than animal meat in several aspects...
for someone who love meat, I don't mind it - I think, but never tried it though, however the concept of using plants to replace meat to me doesn't really put me off... the only one that put me off is however the lab grown meat... what in the world
I don't care how good they are when THEY ARE OVER TEN DOLLARS A POUND, ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME? Get it down under three dollars a pound, I'll try it.
Love the production research and quality; not so much the message. Heavy promotion of vegetarianism and not eating fish, meat. The human body is built to eat meat, vegetables, fruits, nuts, seeds and dairy IN BALANCE AND MODERATION. These doc's are leaning heavily towards cutting out one of the most critical for sources for humans. It doesn't need to be this way.
I can see the potential of plant based meat in a far future but there are so many other factors that come in to mind ... Lets supose we all 7bilion people stop eating meat and move to plant based what purpose will the animals who we haved lived on earing result to? That's a question that I myself have yet to solve.
Remember that the meat we aet now won't change much in taste but the veggie stuff has the potential to taste even better and be healthier given the time and research
try wagyu
That's as shit as anything. I like my vegetable as they are. Not what is mimiced.
You want be vegan dont eat meat go eat your grass leave the meat for us
Nope. Lab-created nutrients are often toxic or just worthless and extracted nutrients lose their potency or get completely destroyed when you transport them from one food to another. Humans have evolved to eat grass-fed animals for millions of years and nothing will ever be created that nutritionally trumps food from healthy animals.
@@axel-fu9hx go to a slaughter house if you have a heart. You might stop and stop justifying the murder and torture, I ate meat for 30 years.. watched the documentary dominion and don't ever look back.. but each to their own, the choice is yours as mine is mine. Peace☮ out
Sad that the benefit of animals not suffering wasn't mentioned, that for me is what matters the most after seeing documentaries on RUclips like "land of hope and glory" once you see what happens to such gentle scared animals in a slaughter house you can't unsee it 😔
I've seen enough of food production to know that the only way to avoid animal suffering is to grow it yourself, and be a good shot.
@@BastiatC you greatly reduce animal suffering with the vegan option
@@lorissupportguides it's not as great as you might think. Industrial agriculture is horrifically for animal welfare
@@BastiatC yes and if you feed an animal to then eat it you need 12 times the crops therefore a vegan burger reduces animal deatsh by more than 12 times
Yeah I know it's sad but it's part of nature. If you can imagine a predator free world then you can also imagine the future within few years the number of life on the planet will reach 100 - 200 billions big animals like elephants and girrafes will probably eat out all the big trees & smaller ones like mice will eat out all the small plants before they even peak out of the ground & the number will keep rising to 300-400 billions of animals and all plants will be ravaged you'll only see dead bodies of animals which were starved to death or died for lack of oxygen . So deal with reality the nature is cruel but perfectly balanced we can kill all predators and turn the world into a vegan paradise but it won't last . So make peace with the cruelty of nature & don't feel sad .
The best meat substitute would be soylent green made of billionaires.
The guy who could do that will turn into Billionaire himself. You have no idea how economies work.
That wouldn't be a meat substitute, just meat
@@abhishekdev258 we will also turn him into a delicious patty
@@davidcarias4407 You want to become a billionaire yourself then?? Or you just hate those who have more money than you.
I tried the impossible meat and it was actually pretty good!
that means the meat they are trying to replace is good.
Rubbish all process I rathe eaT veg burger then have something that looks like meat you might as well eat meat
key word "pretty".
You can always trust the industry to make good tasting food, that is not the problem.
The problem lies in the processing - the chemicals used are poison for your body (same goes for non vegan processed foods as well).
Stay away from processed foods!
I can't believe how great this channel is
Don’t forget the most important thing, for an vegan burger you don’t have to take the life on an sentient animal!
No vegan burgers aren’t healthy they are loaded with saturated fats and sodium. But that’s not the point, you don’t have to kill an animal and still enjoy the sensation of an burger
Thank you, well said!
Same opinion!
I have to admit, I've no issue with killing something to survive, the same way I've no issue being eaten by worms and insects when I'll die.
It's the cycle of life. By being born, you're the product of billions of years of "murders". Even herbivores don't mind eating meat when necessary.
@@merguezmouillee2614
I also don't have nothing against killing for survival.
But only when it's necessary.
But now we don't have to kill to survive.
And it's unfair to animals to make them live in such terrible condition, as it is now.
@@Georg93 You actually want to say we don't have to kill cute animals in front of our eyes. Agriculture is killing so many insects, birds, reptiles, etc. Never forget that.
I tried a vegan burger and it tasted good! Only wish they can bring the cost down.
You can bring the cost down by making a version of vegan burger youself.
When they scale up and have huge herds of vegans, their meat will become cheaper.
That will happen as more people consume these options :) but remember there are a lot of invisible costs with meat, dairy and egg products and they are subsidised, so everyone pays for them with their taxes. Not to mention medical bills down the line.
@@heatherdyett9119 Yes but "remember there are a lot of invisible costs with ALL agricultural products and they are subsidised, so everyone pays for them with their taxes. Not to mention medical bills down the line."
All mono crop agriculture is destroying our planet, including V peoples, and that sh*te is really unhealthy for you too.
@@tezzo55 Mono crop agriculture is unhealthy for you? Or what do you mean? But yes, I agree it is destroying our planet so we need less of it. Considering we feed the majority of grains, corn and soy to the billions of land animals we farm, we could and should divert that to human mouths - ideally, with help from rational politians (wouldn't that be a dream), we could solve the human famine crisis and still have some land to spare. Plus we could rewild supposed "grazing-only" areas to restore some biodiversity.
I'm all for food forests though. Or even planting various crops alongside or on top of each other, so they help each other ward off pests, lock in nitrogen and there could be longer harvest periods.
I love fast food burgers. Always have, always will. Then I went vegetarian so 99% of my favorite junk food lunches went out of the window. Until Burger Kind introduced the impossible whopper. It's almost the exact same thing, not quite, but actually better. Let's not kid ourselves - the bar to clear in the fast food industry is so low for meat alternatives. I really don't miss the sad little brown things they call patties anymore. Can't wait for MiccyD's to follow suit.
BTW one thing I miss from Germany is the McChicken. Here in the States they use mayo instead of the awesome sweet and sour sauce :(
@David Brower you do know plants does not feel pain but animals do for me if you're killing a living thing that feels pain you should kill it the humane way so that the animal won't feel pain
@David Brower I'm not even comparing a human and an animal because we are animals We are Descendants Of The Apes
@@chriswasnotfound6078 are u sure plants don't feel pain??? like literally, r u kidding??? google it. we know for a long time plants feel pain
@@user-lu6cy7hm2t amino acids and b are mostly found in animal products. why the heck should he switch to something like plants that isn't as efficient as meat.
@@user-lu6cy7hm2t there's also health related concern about flax seeds. also they don't fall off trees. u are gonna kill billions of plants. and to correct ur first statement, no seeds aren't most efficient amino acid source. they are most efficient plant based source. but they are not as efficient as animal meat. don't believe me?? go to webmd and see what's the most efficient amino acid source. amino acid comes from protein. meats are always higher in protein. that's why meat is much more efficient.
also, what about mushrooms? as meat alternative and as food in general - it would be interesting to know the impact of their production, as well as nutritional advantages if there are any
Well for example men are 20% more likely to get prostate cancer from eating meat so yes there are benefits
I find the term "processed" to be vague and unhelpful. Those who think that "processed" food is harmful need to A; define what they mean by "processed" and B; show exactly what is harmful about it.
And no, there is no good data to show that "processed" is significantly more harmful than whatever passes for unprocessed.
Sure there are correlations, but taking those as proof has led us down many dark, blind alleys before. We need to show causative links.
I don't care if a burger is made from vegetables as long as I like the taste and it costs no more than meat.
The trouble with the term 'processed' is it's a 'blanket term' that covers so many processes and to such differing degrees.
White bread might be less healthy than wholemeal bread - yet both are still processed, since baking is still a process.
Unfortunately, with there now being a drive to add the carbon footprint of a product on the packaging (in addition to nutrition, recycling and allergen warnings), there's less and less room for adding too much more extra information - such as a processed value.
Tel em sis
Aw crap I'm sorry I would offer you this hummus I made but I put it through a food processor so it's terribly unhealthy.
Technically. if I marinate, dry-age, and cook my steak, it wouldn't be considered "processed."
@@freshbakedclips4659 Under what definition though? What is considered a ¨process¨ and what isn't? Wherever you draw the line I feel like it's rather arbitrary.
I have friends (particularly in western and Mediterranean Europe) who consider frozen vegetables to be processed food. Just frozen veggies like frozen peas nothing added to them. Which i guess yes, flash freezing is technically a ¨process¨ i guess but frozen produce is perfectly healthy, potentially even healthier than fresh produce because it can be picked at peak ripeness not prior.
Great report! The only thing I missed was the most important aspect: That the meat alternatives do not involve animal suffering.
They're here to talk about the planet.. drifts away from the objectives of the video
Not everyone cares for animal welfare, for me i went vegan not because i like animals (i dont) but because i saw a slaughter house video and felt it was unnatural to do that to a creature on this earth that is treated like a piece of garbage. If i could grow my own cow and kill it (which i cant because i would bond with it too easily), i would do that but since i have no desire to skin and kill a cow i might as well just be a vegan so thats what i did. Personally if i was a meat eater and saw more of those peta things i would be turned off of being a vegan. STAY AWAY from animal welfare messages plz and you will have a better chance at winning meat eaters over.
I don’t like “beyond” or “unbelievable” plant based meat, it tastes awful. I do enjoy black bean burgers tho
I hate beyond meats but the impossible burger meat and the impossible breakfast sandwich (sold at starbucks) are delicious
Where I live in Quebec Canada we have less choice then what is available in Europe, at least that is what I have found locally. Some of them are really good, however I would like the packaging to be made from something other then plastic
Don't worry, Zero. Not so long ago, it was the same here in Scotland. Then quite suddenly the choice in plant-based foods expanded very quickly. Even though there have been all the restrictions and lockdowns, there somehow seemed to be new items on the shelves whenever I booked a groceries delivery.
I'm quite sure you will soon find the same happening over there in Quebec.
I too would like to see an alternative to plastic packaging. The vegan items specific to my local supermarket are - I'm glad to say - sensibly packaged in cardboard boxes in quite a number of instances. However, there's still much room for improvement, especially among the branded products.
I sometimes see frozen vegan chicken patties sold in just paper boxes without plastic wrapping around the patties even, and there doesn't seem to be any problems with this method, so I appreciate it.
Try living in the south in the US where here they deep fry everything .. even healthy food .. the past 5 years the vegan options "have" increased here in rural areas but Americans are so behind other country's on soooooo many things.
@@user-lu6cy7hm2t ???
@@user-lu6cy7hm2t being a planet conscience vegan in the "south" is HARD but do-able .. plenty of recipes that can't be made due to NOT being able to obtain crucial ingredients.
Not sure what got you so upset and twisted your panties when I was commenting on the guy in Canada problem!
doesn't mean its vegan it doesn't have fat since most companies use coconut oil on them but they cmon you get to save animals
After witnessing one too many undercover videos of animal abuse, they’re officially off my plate
I prefer to save my health and I eat only meat from my village.
Without chemicals hormones and bullshits
I don't give a sh*t for veganism go to malnourish your self guys.
Like how they taste but hate how all of the most accessible brands come in plastic packaging. Are there any brands that don't come with a PET tray and some other wrapper?
The frozen ones are wrapped in cardboard
@@someguy2135 at least where I live, meat is not usually sold in plastic packaging, you can get it in significantly high amounts with very little to no plastic packaging at local farmer's markets, for example. If you buy everything on the supermarket then that's a different story. Everything (meat and vegetables both) can be acquired there already packaged, but there's still the same option as in conventional farmer's markets so you still get to choose. You can even bring your own container (glass, plastic or cloth bags) from home, as long as it's clean, to the farmer's market whether it's for vegetables, meat or fish.
I prefer other meat alternatives that don't need packaging over meat-like processed ones that do use packaging, there's a lot of tasty vegan and vegetarian recipes out there that can help replace all or some of the meat for many people so I don't really see the need for these meat-mimicking foods... If somebody refuses to eat vegetables at all, I'd say that the problem is the lack of education on healthy diet and behaviour, not the lack of tasty options. I don't see why meat replacements like these could make a difference for such a person. Besides, I find much more interesting to focus on helping people find veggie recipes they'll love and which will become permanent replacements for some of the meat they eat just because they love those too. Well, at least, that's what really helped me partially replace meat (not that I used to eat that much anyway). I still eat meat, but more like an occasional "side dish" (for example, beans with two or three small bite size meat pieces per meal) so that there's a somewhat steady amount in my diet. From time to time, maybe once every other month (sometimes sooner, sometimes later depending on if I feel like I need it or not), I "indulge" myself a bit and buy some extra chicken so that there's a compromise between my health and the impact I have on the planet.
To sum it up, my point was that, at least where I live now (Europe) it's easier to get unwrapped veggies, fish and/or meat compared to processed meat-mimicking foods (these last ones always come wrapped as far as I know) and that's it's good to replace meat but not necessarily with these processed products. Especially considering that there are already pretty tasty veggie foods and recipes out there that don't need any wrapping and are likely to be healthier overall.
Soo much packaging! Needs to be vegan and packed in sustainable packaging
I tried beyond burger and it tasted good. That texture what we like in meat, there was even more of it in beyond burger, so it tasted more meaty than a real burger.
The main problem of course is, it costs 4-5 times more than a real burger patties at least here in Finland and that is just way way too expensive. So unless the prices goes down, i keep eating a real meat.
there's other cheaper alternatives, some veggie burgers that don't taste like meat are pretty good, and sometimes even cheaper than meat, at least that's the case for me in Spain.
try morningstar, boca, or gardein. they are cheaper, you might like one
How tf does something thats more meaty than actual real meat
@@tehcupcakes6868 Whatever makes meat meaty, isn't necessarily exclusive to the meat, it's just that it happens to have it. It's not a crazy concept.
@@tehcupcakes6868 Simply provide more of the things that people like about meat then the real thing. Meat isn't magic, nothing about the experience of eating it can't be synthesized.
not sure how these studies are calculated, but do keep in mind much of the water farm animals drink is rainwater, and much of the food cows and pigs eat are recycled (would have been thrown out otherwise), so that should be taken into account whenever we claim how much raising animals is resource consuming. The video also makes fat sound like a bad thing. What kind of fat is it? Meat substitutes often use highly processed and inflammatory vegetable oils (a recent invention), while normal meat is just animal fat that humans have been adapted to eat for a very long time. Of course there are real ethical and environmental concerns for eating meat, all I'm saying, learn from a variety of sources (I recommend the RUclips Channel "What I've Learned", do keep in mind it's biased).
You can read up on the exact methodology of the Life Cycle Analysis (LCA) of each study cited in the video in the links in the description box! Most of the water and food provided to animals in industrial farming facilities is sadly not "recycled" - large swaths of land are used to produce feed for livestock and livestock only.
Some studies show a correlation between vegetable oils high in Omega-6 fatty acids and inflammation, but no causation, and it depends highly on which oil you are looking at. The Impossible burger and beyond burger e.g. use coconut oil and canola oil which are low in omega-6 fatty acids, but also include sunflower oil, which has a higher content.
And even if the content is high, Omega-3 and Omega-6 fatty acids are polyunsaturated fats and "may help prevent and even treat heart disease and stroke. In addition to reducing blood pressure, raising HDL, and lowering triglycerides, polyunsaturated fats may help prevent lethal heart rhythms from arising." You can read more on this where the quote came from: www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/the-truth-about-fats-bad-and-good. :)
The concept of whole food plant based is neither of these and they are both processed. All major religions globally have one common message "Thou shall not Kill"
What I've noticed after going vegan for a couple of months at a time, is that I have more energy and am able to pick up more weight during exercise.
Fake meat doesn't taste good, on average. The impossible burger- one of the better tasting fake beef burgers imho- tastes like a fast food burger, but that isn't really saying much, if you compare how poorly a fast food burger tastes to one made with fresh beef.
Personally, I like a lot of plant based foods, I love veggies and fruits, I love grains, I don't need fake meat. I think things like black bean patties taste far better than fake meat ones and a lot of the time, also better than cheap real meat (a la Burger King, McDonald's etc).
Just eat plants, don't bother trying to fake meat. For environmental benefits, we don't all have to go vegan, for animal welfare benefits, we don't all have to go vegan.
Eating **less** meat, and doing better to de-insustrialize meat in favor of small scale, more local, responsibly raised meat/other animal products is enough to bring about HUGE differences in both animal welfare and the environment.
If we really care about animals and the environment, we should also definitely do better with the plant-foods industries, grocery industry practices, packaging and waste, not just focus on meat and ignore an the other problems with how we feed ourselves.
Now if they could just make the alternative meats without all of the highly processed/inflammatory vegetable oils like sunflower and canola or at least use organic/cold pressed vegetable oils; I’m sticking to traditional meat alternatives until this changes..
10:36 It's kind of laughable to hear the words "better for the planet" in the same frame as a showcase of mass produced food that is wrapped in so much plastic.
Awesome video! I genuinely cant think of a more nuanced way to cover this in under 11 minutes.
Hi Chara, thank you. We are glad to hear this! ✨
What concerns me is what they are adding to the vegetable protein to make them taste like meat and what those components risk are to health. Better to eat real foods and not manufactured ones.
I saw a comparison between Tesco burgers and plant based burgers. The plant based had less fat, less saturated fat, less sugar, fewer carbs and more protein.
It would vary greatly based on which product you are comparing them to.
Great video! Good balance between anecdotal messages and scientific facts 👌
Great video. Vegan for many years. Tried many meat subs. Some are very good at mimicking the meat taste. I personally don't need that much so I prefer the healthier burgers that are made from minced legumes vegies and spices. Delivers a good taste in a familiar "burger" shape.
They are often based on wheat protein, also know as gluten.
@DW Planet A : If you're going to do such comparisons, then the meat this should be based on is pasture raised, grass-fed beef and pork animals, as well as lamb, and free range chickens and turkey fed feed grown by the farmer, which most likely means from small and medium sized farms, rather than mega farms. In terms of the chickens raised as just stated, the eggs I prefer to buy in Quebec, Canada, are from the Clovis Gauthier farm of Qc and they allow their chickens to roam freely in good conditions, except for the hens laying eggs, for they're placed in cages for the time that they'll be laying the eggs, but they're all fed feed that's produced on this farm, rather than buying feed from large corporations in which case the farmers can't really know what's in the feed, what it fully consists of. For meat, I've been finding that not all chickens are really good or pleasant to eat, but have found some here from farms that evidently are good producers. I notice the differences when getting the latter chicken, right away, with the first bite alone. I have had some vegan sausages and sausage patties that were okay and would consume them again, but if wanted to become regularly vegan, then why not simply consume certified organic brown rice with certified organic lentils. I read that that can be enough to sustain a person over long periods, though read this plenty of years ago, like maybe around ten, and no longer have the bookmark so can't provide the link and don't think it would be quick to get the same link again using a Web search. I would want to continue having salads though. But, I consume meats and fish, plus seafoods, when I can and am in a "mood" for it, not expecting any change to this to happen anytime soon. Of course that includes eggs.
Considering these are mass-produced products I think it’s correct to compare them to factory farmed animal meat and products. That’s what they are replacing. Although when comparing environmental impacts it’s important to note that free range, grass fed is not better. It takes longer for these animals to reach “slaughter weight” so that means more feed and water, and more methane from ruminants. It also requires immensely more land so not good for biodiversity if you’re taking away forest or potential wild land to farm them. Which is also why most people can’t eat this type of animal at their high rate of meat consumption. The earth doesn’t have enough land to sustain that.
I agree what you say regarding lentils and brown rice. I mean you’d need some leafy greens added to that - most people don’t eat enough of that anyway. Yay to powerhouse salads! Like mine with chickpeas, almond butter or hummus, quinoa and broccoli. And of course the base - mixed greens, cucumber and tomato :)
@@heatherdyett9119 : Fine enough, your comment.
For muscles its not the same you have the same amount of protein but the amount of amino acid is not the same you need to eat twice as much plant protein to get the same amino acids like for exampel egg/chicken. As an adult u need like 75g of protein but i would recommend more if you eat plant based and if you do sport/bodybuilding you need 1.5g-2g per kilo bodyweight
the ones i've tried are actually quite tasty
the land use and water use are by far the biggest negative impacts of growing animals, also food to feed them. Also antibiotics goes mostly to livestock.
Theres pros and cons to both but no matter how you spin it vegan meat will always be the better option for the planet and for the animals. Thats what matters.
For my taste buds meat alwayes be delicious
The more you process and change food to a level it doesn't resemble what originally was the more you get something unhealthy, we just need to eat less meat.
no xd
Don't tell my girl friend that she "just needs to eat less meat," she already has problems swallowing mine.
@@tezzo55 chad 😎
That’s very true. It’s imperative for curbing further catastrophe and not hitting 2degrees that everyone eat less meat. Crazy that processed fake meat is still less unhealthy than the “original” stuff. Although bacon or a beef burger don’t resemble what it originally was at all either, they have faces. 🐷🐮
what do you mean? it is very easy to make a plant based patty at home using legumes
i feel like these sort of products are made to appeal those who feel guilty for meat consumption or who feel pressured to be vegetarian but don't actually want to. if the concept of crushing a legume and kneading it fascinates you so much, maybe try out falafel? that's just an example i'm familiar with. i'm sure there are plenty of other examples in many cultures. the most valuable move you can make as a vegan is learn how to actually... cook plants lol
If you're gonna make dietary changes in the name of the environment, you really should be buying local, seasonal produce. It doesn't matter what it is, as long as it's locally grown/raised, with local and organic resources (fertilizers or feed) and doesn't use unnatural amounts of water.
Meat has a larger CO2eq-footprint than non-seasonal non-local plant food.
So it still matters what it is. It's even the most important part for its impact on climate change, pandemic control, ... .
@@tofu-munchingCoalition.ofChaos i assure you the cattle that live in the hills near my family home and walk free all year with only some supplemental wheat straw (grain byproduct) in winter do not have a larger environmental impact than avocados or almonds which are shipped from California to Denmark. These are animals which have been living in this land for thousands of years, it doesn’t matter how much methane they fart as long as you only eat what the land can sustain. My garden chickens which live 95% on kitchen scraps and garden bugs do not have a larger environmental impact than tofu made from soybeans, another crop which cannot efficiently grow in my country.
I’m talking about literally getting your food from within a 50 mile radius of your home, which uses only sustainable local resources.
@@JohnPorsbjerg You're obviously incorrect. Methane is relevant irrespective of local or "what the land can sustain".
@@tofu-munchingCoalition.ofChaos You’re saying the land can’t sustain animals???
Humans displaced wild animals, even in national parks like the one i mentioned it’s impossible to reintroduce the local large fauna which lived there before humans put up fences everywhere, like aurox or wolves, due to immigration patterns and human contact danger. WHY should we not keep cattle in these areas? Or wild pigs? Animals which add to the biodiversity and alter the landscape like they’ve done for thousands of years. The methane problem doesn’t come from cows it comes from wild over-production of beef.
I’m not talking about buying from a factory farm that’s just outside your city. I’m talking about closed loop farming and animal husbandry which only uses local resources. No tankers, no phosphate from mining, no deforestation, only what you can plant and grow without ever leaving that 50km radius. Same for vegetables. Eat the apple that grows in your local orchard rather than the mango which is shipped from 2000km away. Eat eggs from your backyard chicken rather than tofu made from soy beans. Tofu production creates 35kg of CO2 per kg of product, for eggs it’s just 3,75kg. And that’s not even accounting for the shipping of soy or the fact that all my eggs come from my yard meaning they produce at least 75% less CO2. OR that tofu has 2/3 as much protein as eggs and 1/3 as much as beef. That means i can easily get 1/10th of my protein from (conventional) beef and the rest from those eggs, and still produce less CO2 that a vegan who gets their protein from soy products. That’s of course a gross oversimplification, but i think it’s clear that plants vs animal products is NOT black and white when it comes to climate change.
@@JohnPorsbjerg I am vegan but I can never eat that lab manufactured stuff. I buy local and fresh produce. Much healthier and good for the environment.
Does your plant based meat have the ingredient "natural flavor" in it? It sounds so nice and polite but how many chemicals can be in the ingredient called natural flavor which are hidden and unknown to the public unless you are the chemist that creates this stuff in the lab? As many as 100? Does your unflavored and unsweetened soy or almond milk have something called natural flavor in it? Can the term natural flavor wreck your metabolism?
What food doesn't have chemicals in it?
No matter how delicious that vegan meat, it will never ever replace the essential amino acids that we get from real meat. Look at those people in Africa who are 90% vegans, they all have protruding bellies because of hormonal imbalance and their average life years is 50. Humans have no special intestinal bacteria that could convert plants into protein. We will start to see 20 years old that looks 50 because of Confusion and irritability, Diarrhea or constipation, Fatigue, Headaches, Irregular or fast heart rate (arrhythmia), Muscle cramps, muscle spasms or weakness, Nausea and vomiting, Numbness or tingling in limbs, fingers and toes.
Yep, that's what an improper diet causes to you.
When eating a vegan diet one should pay extra attention to get all the nutrients they need.
My biggest issue is the plastic packaging and price
You missed a big point. Plant based meat was created not just to save the environment, more importantly it is to save the animals from suffering in factory farming.
While the animal suffering component of being vegan is very important (That was my reason for going vegan), this channel is literally about the planet and has a lot of videos discussing how to save the environment so it’s not surprising that they’ve taken this angle and not mentioned animal suffering. It isn’t a vegan channel. It’s focused on the planet and environment.
We don't have meat yet, but I tried soy milk once. None of my family members liked it, but I did. A lot.
I don't like soy milk either, but do love me some oat milk.
Give them a taste of almond milk.
Cashew milk is nice too.
@@zzkzkzzkzkzk8945 will try
Soy milk has a very different taste depending of the brand , personally I love vanilla flavoured soy milk but I'm ok with all the plant milks
More crops means more land same as animals ?.
One of the "problems" is the way we see "waste" and "resources input"... In the meat industry, when rain water reaches the ground (any ground, pastored or a building) that water is counted as "used to grow the animal" wich is incorrect, or if thats correct, crops should have the same treatment but they don't ... And that super misleading
And the far majority of fed for the animals is actually, part of our food we don't eat, like corn, we eat the actual corn, and the cows eat the plant who made the corn, so thats actually good for the environment, they eat the plant we eat the corn and the cow ... Easy math
i often try out new 'alternatives' although ive been vegan for so long i no longer remember what animal meat tasted like. usually these products do taste good but leave a feeling it wasnt a particularly healthy meal, and they are not exactly cheap.. has anyone heard of cheap, healthy and tasty vegan meat?-)
One market I went to had bulk (weight out and buy how much you'd like) dry textured soy protein. It was good to mix with things for a ground beef alternative. I remember it being roughly $2 USD per pound.
They literally grabbed the cheapest meat and the most expensive vegan version and it still tasted worse
@DW Planet A - Maybe you should research why seed oil that are used in this vegan meat are very likely the root cause of atherosclerosis? Or why this "meat" is so nutrient poor in comparison to real meat?
you're worried about the seed oil in veggie burgers causing atherosclerosis when they're replacing meat that contains cholesterol, saturated fat, trans fat. etc.. ? All compounds proven to cause atherosclerotic plaque.
this vid is hardly balanced, you took the water usage claims directly off impossible foods(who have it in their best interest to exaggerate the water usage of agri foods) without fact checking
We asked independent experts whether the numbers check out. It’s always very hard to assess a life cycle analysis without all the data insights, but replicated studies on meat substitutes came to similar conclusions.
@@DWPlanetA water consumption of the agri industry is not consistent across countries. For example in Thailand where duck and chickens are predominantly fed with rice bran(left overs from rice harvesting) that us humans don't consume. Veggies chicken burgers would unironically increase land use as a result. This subject is fairly deep and the solution is not a single silver bullet as much as impossible foods or any fake meat co likes to say
@@slushypuppies not to mention what types of water they are using. animal farms mostly use rain water whereas grains and fruit farms use good amount of water from underground and rivers. so they create a scarcity of water which animal farms don't do that much even though they may use more water.
@@jahidulhasan4581 Yeah, also, animals pee. I know that sounds obvious but it means that a lot of the water that's used gets back to the land and is recycled that way.
@@RosesAndIvy yeah water cycle
My main worry about vegan meat is that what if the trend becomes so popular that restrants, fast food companies, and more start to falsely advertise real meat when in reality it is vegan all along. I would really hate to see this being exploited.
I'm sure there are laws against that.
What about bioavailability and amino acid composition of plant based burgers? also the link to cancer is very weak and only from obervational data for meat. It seems that meat isnt directly carcinogenic it is rather a marker for unhealthy behaviours. If they control for high vegetable intake when people comsume more meat the carcinogenic effect diasppears.
I don't know how to pick the right ones at the grocery store please help thx
i dont get the obsession of turning veggies to taste like meat... why not just cook some dope veggie dishes and eat meat less frequently? there are tonnes of great tasting curries and side dishes you can have with rice. you can even have meat with these dishes. if i wanted vegetables to taste like meat i'd rather just have the real meat instead.
Well, it's pretty simple. Meat is delicious but there are plenty of reasons (climate, ethics) to not eat it. Fake meats take away or minimize these negative things but keep the taste. But yeah sure, veggie dishes are great as well, but you can do both.
People who eat these alternatives don't want the real meat because of these negative impacts. The whole point is *not* eating meat.
As a vegan I personally hate when vegan food taste or reminds me of meat. It make sense for ppl who crave meet but not me. The fleshy texture or flesh like smells are a big no for me
I love meat but just despise the texture. It doesn't matter how "soft" it is, it's always chewy, it's always gross. Plant based meat doesn't have that texture.
I have not eaten beef for about 50 years so I would not like meat alternatives because they smell or taste like meat.
What's your problem mate
This is for ppl who like meat
Keynote:vegan meat its good for the environment
So true. Whenever I can I always eat vegans, they taste good, and I'm saving the planet from vegans, so it's a win win. Don't even think about veggies (when drunk they eat bacon.) No, remember vegans taste best (if a little bony.)
@@tezzo55 Admitting to cannibalism?
@@Stubbari Not all "eating" involves digestion, you know, little fella.
@@tezzo55 So eating other humans is only cannibalism when you digest it?
@@Stubbari Obviously. Anything less is just tasting with a little mastication thrown in to be friendly.
I eat almost no meat over the year. I can’t see the point of meat replacements personally. I eat very happily without them!
People just like that taste currently. They don't know taste buds change
@@ksitigarbha9787 They definitely change. I crave meat sometimes I suppose, but on the rare occasion I eat meat, it doesn’t live up to my expectations. The less I eat, the less I enjoy it. That’s the opposite to the way around one might expect it to work!
I don't look for the taste of meat, and I love vegan burgers as much as I used to love meat burgers. I don't feel less energy on a plant based diet. I like the ones that are just baked beans, or processed.
If you have a choice, then make the right choice.
You can be healthy without meat/fish. Enough alternatives available.
It seems as though Kiyos main topic seems to be food and things related to food. And I love it.
didn't talked about prices?
All I can say is that plant based meat alternatives are good to have. If you have health or religious conditions that do not allow you to eat real meat, or if you just prefer the taste and feel it makes you healthier, it is always a great thing that these people have a choice.
But lets not fool ourselves into thinking that if everyone stopped eating real meat that it would save the environment and planet one bit. Most of the arguments involving Land Occupation (for feed and rearing) and Water Consumption happily ignore the fact that most of the land used in livestock production cannot be farmed or used for large scale building. While when it comes to Water, the vast majority of the sources consumed by livestock comes from rain, dew and standing water that humans do not consume. Their feed is also made mostly from agricultural byproducts like corn husks, and food scraps that humans cannot or will not eat.
Ah yes, but since we wouldn't need to put aside anywhere so much land for raising plant crops if the animals weren't there to feed, we could rewild a lot of these unwanted pastures.
Someone near me let their old pasture return to the wild, and a lot of unusual flower species lost to the region have started to grow. As they die down in winter, this will build soil levels, one of the best carbon stores, plus trees are starting to grow around the edges.
Funnily enough i actually prefer the vegan alternatives. They Just taste better
I’m vegetarian and only eat Quorn products. I even got my non-vegetarian friends hooked on Quorn products.
I just eat plants- no need for anyone to mimic the taste and texture of a dead animal 😉
I've tried TVP made from soy protein. No matter how hard I try cooking it to be as similar as possible to meat, I cannot fool my taste buds. It still tastes like tofu skin. The newest plant-based meat products are not available in my neighborhood.
TVP is a vague facsimile of meat. It’s an old alternative. Modern plant based meats are much closer to real meat.
@@danpreston564 maybe, but it's still unavailable where I live, so I can't really tell the differences.
@@indocookingvids You can make plant based burgers from whole foods yourself. The taste will probably not come very close to meat, but it's better than tvp and it's healthy
@@samvandervelden8243 I do have a plan to make a mushroom patty burger, but haven't had the chance to do it. Thank you for replying.
@@indocookingvids no probs
This is a nie segment but you could have put in A LOT more information about the climate destruction and factory farming costs of animal agriculture. Methane gas, land use, water pollution, water use, the fact that 90% of the soya grown in the world is fed to animals, the destruction of forest for grazing and to grow more soya to feed animals, also it would have been cool if you could have traced more about the soya that’s used in the plant burgers. You should check out Dr. Michael Gregor’s podcast episodes on the carbon footprint of what we eat. I think a little more hard hitting journalism is what’s needed here DW!!
Its already up their with normal meat. But the cost are just so high
Two reasons I don't eat vegan meat (much) yet.
1. It's not spot on like real meat (except Impossible meat, that's really damn close and I would gladly eat that all the time)
2. It's so damn expensive
The whole point of eating vegan meat is so it's not from any animal. Not so it tastes great, are you too much of a sissy to handle some lesser tasting food?
The second point sure, but that'll change over time as more and more care is given to vegan meat. If you only have some guy in a basement somewhere cooking this stuff up, it'll obviously be expensive.
A third point I will add is soy. Half of the stuff I find is based on soy and there isn't enough from what I can tell about the consequences of mass consumption of soy, but if looking at the Japanese, it's not great for future generations. So many Japanese men look like their women, don't know if it's the soy or their origins though, I'll avoid soy just to be safe. More not-soy vegan stuff seems better.
@@Herkan97 really? Calling me a sissy? That’s sure a mature to handle this conversation. I have friends who offer me vegan stuff all the time and it isn’t bad, it just isn’t as good as the real thing yet for the most part. I won’t turn down the dish. But if I was at a restaurant and I had to choose between the real thing and the vegan thing? I’ll probably choose the real thing because it’ll be cheaper and it’ll taste better. But by no means do I think that vegan food is horrible.
With the economy and inflation the way it is going I would also be curious about the price differences for the consumer. Is the plant based meat affordable compared to real meat?
The whole video : *be a vegan* meat is worse than plant based meat
Reality : this actually not really true
Meat is way superior in taste, minerals, vitamins and a way better protein source than fake meat (the reason is its much easier to absorb real meat protein)
And also there is a big difference between animal fat and Plant processed fat that is used in vegan products.
plant oil is way worse (btw general cholesterol isn't a bad thing for humans
LDL is the bad )
Even in the video the researcher said : it appears to be healthy but further study is needed
And then she took that said it's healthier than meat as a definite result.
I agree on doing what's better for the planet but saying shady or misleading result isn't the way to do that.
Saying it's morally better them yeah i agree but laying about it health benefits is simply not the correct way.
Sorry for the long comment.
We did this test with my friends, and everyone but one person found the meat.
If you struggle, you really never ate meat or you bought the tasteless American meat
I still think plant-based patties have come a long way. 10 years ago, nobody would even think of eating one. I believe over the years as more research is done, they will resemble actual meat even more wile becoming more accessible for everyone
I want to know if people like the meat, or if people like the texture, butter, pepper and salt that go into cooking meat.
I like the meat. The seasoning and the method of cooking just brings out the best flavor of the meat. Having cooked meat with vegetables is the best
I love plant-based meat alternatives.
Aside from the fact that the taste is pretty much the same as the real thing these days (since producers have always been keen to improve on their product), I know I'm not going to bite into a piece of teeth-sliding gristle any more (yuck!), and vegan sausage rolls aren't made up of eyeballs, cartilage, intestines and an animal's unmentionables.
Too many cheap meat products are made up of animal scraps that you wouldn't even consider buying in their original state.
Not only that! With vegan meat you know you'll never be caught out by another scandal whereby racehorse meat ended up on British supermarket shelves, or the danger of Mad Cow Disease (still claiming lives), or being inconvenienced by another outbreak of foot & mouth disease (which didn't just affect farmers, but a lot of other people who live in the countryside).
Vegans stink though, biggest downside
It is not healthy for u but much better for the environment, which is why its great for "once in a while" situation.
I’ve never been called a “meat-eater” before
I think its awesome. Some is a miss, but most at this point is a hit :D
The only things left is bringing the cost down equivalent or less than original meat and make people aware.
I think that plant based burgers taste better than real meat burgers. At least beyond meat burgers do.
I am an old South Dakota boy who likes steak. However I have tried various impossible beef and boca burgers and other meat substitutes. I think they taste good. For perspective please bear in mind we Dakotanos we’re very accustomed to our moms stretching a pound of hamburger so far they could easily feed twelve people with a delicious meatloaf. That is why chicken Chow Mien works; feed lots of people with only one chicken 😀 My mom’s secret was canned anchovies (they dissolve when cooked), and of course Panko, a can of black olives or mushrooms, and poultry seasoning and Worcestershire sauce! 😀
In Future, eating real meat will be count as Crime and the eater will be punished for it. Remember my these Golden words
You guys have excellent music taste :)
Lol, the amount of plastic used to package our food is fucking insane
So much plastic for 2-4 paties.
plant based meats have on average 43% lower Emissions 77% land 76% water the expert in the video says. compared with other animals like pigs, or more so beef from cows it is a huuuge different, cuz they are not so "effective" as chicken. + no antibiotics so helping against b. resistant bacteria. that is huge.
Im about to start making my own vegan meat with vital wheat gluten, so many people are able to make it so well i need to learn how.
Fat is not an unhealth macronutrient. Stop repeating unsupported claims without evidence.
For me, it is not important that the burgers taste like meat. I want a juicy burger with pleasant texture and good taste. Whether that be meat, fish or beets is not important. When I buy fast food I often go for the veggie burger, because fast food meat is often bland and dry.
The most important factor is the price, if it uses less land cant it be cheaper?
They should've had Heura for the chicken test. The best one by far and it definitely fooled my friends to ask me ten times if I'm sure it's really vegan.
here people are protesting against life saving Vaccine, so now what would they think about vegan meat ? But I really appreciate the idea of vegan based meat.
As someone who tried to try to join vegan community (my diet is already mostly vegetable, so I want to try to go full way) but disgusted by the member, I want to say:
Dear all vegan, it's not that most "meat eaters" hate veganism or specifically eat meat because its meat. It's simply because that's all we know and available for us. Rather than trying to make drawn out analogies about cows somewhere or trying to guilt trip us (which only make us hate you and eat meat to spite you), you'd be more successful if you could give alternative to meat.
For example : dont refuse to go to BBQ because the meat, instead do go there but asked to bring your own meat substitute then show it to people there how delicious it is. Dont preach, just show that theres alternative that is just as good... and preferably as affordable as meat.
"Quorn" is a brand that sells vegetarian meat substitutes with 0 plastic in the packaging
It is also important to know who produces your meat alternative - Garden Gourmet is a brand from NESTLÉ, which makes it actually worse than animal meat in several aspects...
No it doesn't.
for someone who love meat, I don't mind it - I think, but never tried it though, however the concept of using plants to replace meat to me doesn't really put me off... the only one that put me off is however the lab grown meat... what in the world
I don't care how good they are when THEY ARE OVER TEN DOLLARS A POUND, ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME?
Get it down under three dollars a pound, I'll try it.
3 dollars? Dude are u a jew or something? You cant buy a steak, lamb , and other quality meats for 3 dollar?
I dont really understand why someone would choose to kill an animal because of a 10% taste difference? Or because of taste at all, just dont get it
But is impossible meat always served in a plastic box? Is it good for the environment and for the people as well?
Tried fake burgers they are such a let down, you just want a real burger after, also they are super expensive.
Love the production research and quality; not so much the message. Heavy promotion of vegetarianism and not eating fish, meat. The human body is built to eat meat, vegetables, fruits, nuts, seeds and dairy IN BALANCE AND MODERATION. These doc's are leaning heavily towards cutting out one of the most critical for sources for humans. It doesn't need to be this way.
love how defensive people get about this topic even though nobody explicitly attacked them
I can see the potential of plant based meat in a far future but there are so many other factors that come in to mind ... Lets supose we all 7bilion people stop eating meat and move to plant based what purpose will the animals who we haved lived on earing result to? That's a question that I myself have yet to solve.
The one the use in Burger King is actually pretty good! I think it is made by beyond meat