I especially loved how aggressive he was with every single sentence he said towards his exposers. It really adds to the whole experience of that video.
@ScimaGD prepare to laugh at this extremely funny response. fuck shit piss ass damn. I would like to credit smosh for introducing me to the wonderful world of swearing, and my father for publicly showing the many different ways it can be used
8:16 It's worth noting that Toshdeluxe was known to do this kind of consistent wave spamming back in those days. He did this A LOT. Not just devil vortex, but on a lot of levels.
5:41 he probably copied those 3 sawblades at the top and started copypasting them downwards. You can see the same pattern of big, medium, and small sawblades the more you go down
probabl put them in custon obj, and spammed them with swipe option. Then, with the precision of a surgeon's scalpel, copypasted them to create exactly 54 saws at the top.
7/23/23 Tosh is OFFICIALLY proven guilty due to found particles popping up in certain places, meaning that he used blue pads to auto some parts of the level. This justifies npesta’s theory that 54 blue pads were used in the level, also justifying the mystery of the devil vortex saws, which was so the level would have the same amount of objects as the original version. I had actually theorized that the level was macroed after the completion to remove some blue pads (I had theorized that it was 14 oddly enough using some terrible math). Tosh has FINALLY been banned from the demon list, and Mycrafted is officially the verifier of devil vortex. I think his video is now the official verification video for devil vortex, too.
moral of the story: dont play on low detail mode but tbh... that drama was like the funniest sh*t ever. and well... we shall never know what actually happened
5:36 That blew my MIND. No one's ever pointed out those three saws before, and now for the first time I could make sense of the Devil Vortex saws. I think those three saws _were a custom object,_ and after Tosh went back into the level, he dragged them across the top at 75%, and deleted extra saws until he got 54 objects. That's why it looks so bizarre!
@@idiot9063 well accusations are that there are somehow perfectly 54 objects in those saws. And npesta's math (obviously full of flaws and assumptions) say that there are 54 auto-pads in the hardest parts of the level
@@cmnx3083 why is the number aligning significant at all? Why is adding another 54 objects proof of anything? Genuine question, this has literally confused me ever since the controversy happened
The hardest thing about this situation is it was streamed with audible clicks. The audio is replaced in the video supposedly for "higher quality" which does make sense as an excuse for the time because at the time there were those GD vids with like 6 background sounds and terrible audio quality. The thing that makes it hard to solve is nobody archived the stream so there is no way to check the raw footage's content. Also there's the fact that he was in a VC with RedHuseey who was making a lot of background noise such as typing which would make his reasoning even more logical. I do think he hacked it but the only person who truly knows is ToshDeluxe
I like how the main reason this controversy got so big in the first place was solely because the saws were placed funny. if tosh wanted to cover up auto with the object count, then he could’ve already done that easily with the unused boss fight stored above the level (like adding more glow to the laser attack or something). Using the saws like this would’ve been the most bizarre way of doing it. I really do think the saws mean nothing, and that he just copy pasted them on accident when he was fixing something in the level. It’s kind of funny how such a small thing can lead to something so drastic.
you forgot to talk about the saws. so basically he had 54 jump pads invisible and the level'd go from like 8000 to 8054. when he publishes, he can't leave that part auto, so he fulfills the 54 objects with saws.
One other thing is the saws add up to 54 objects and each set of saws is 6 objects. 54 is divisible by 6 and 54/6 is 9 so he could've just placed 9 different sets of saws above the level and claimed "He didn't wanna go all the way back to 75 to get them" and it would've made sense
Oh and another important point: Tosh didn’t spend a lot of attempts on Devil Vortex compared to the other verifiers in levels of similar difficulty. Tosh spent less than 10,000 attempts. For comparison, Sunix spent 35,000 attempts on Sonic Wave, Trusta spent 50,000 attempts on Yatagarasu and BoldStep spent 44,000 attempts on Erebus.
For anyone wondering why low FPS allows for easy consistent spam, it’s because no matter where you click in a frame, the player movement will always (assuming that there’s no lag) happen at the same time: the start of the next frame. If I’m at 10FPS, clicking 10, 10.1, 10.2, and so on, seconds through a level will always have the player move at eleven seconds through, at exactly the same point. It’s like framerules from the original super Mario, and the bus stop analogy. Arriving at the bus stop is you clicking, and the bus driving is the player moving; no matter when you arrive at the bus stop between two busses exiting, you’ll always leave at the same time.
It's funny that he says "You could argue that whoever beat devil vortex first after Tosh is the true verifier" when that is exactly what happened to Doggie with slaughterhouse after SpaceUK was exposed.
Tosh could’ve atleast hid the saws with a alpha trigger, or could’ve added extra deco that added up to 54 objects. There was a lot of stuff you could’ve done instead of just hiding the saws up there and hoping nobody sees it
It's funny because tosh also added 45 objects above his version of unnerfed paracosm circles and unlike devil vortex they weren't custom objects of any kind. 45 objects is enough to auto most of the last wave in unnerfed paracosm circles which is the hardest part and just like with devil vortex he did not show himself uploading the level in his video.
The saw blades is obviously Tosh having the three saws selected and then accidentally placing them while trying to move to another part in the editor thanks to swipe mode being enabled. If you've ever built a level you've had this happen at least once and its annoying Devil Vortex is also bugged on 60 but not 144. This is why weoweoteo (another person who made an exposing vid on Tosh) was 'certain' that Tosh hacked the level because hes a 60hz player. This was before it was widely known that GD's physics change depending on your fps The whole situation is a clusterfuck cuz the accusations at the time were as bad as his response
that would make sense, if it wasnt a. at the very top of the level, b. there weren't solid blocks at the exact same location as the saw and c. different kinds of saws
People knew about the physics changing between 60hz and 144hz well before this scandal. A lot of top players switched to 144hz or above by then because of it, hence why it was so odd to see a 60hz player verify a top 5 extreme demon.
why would he not just undo the placement of accidental saws tho? moving them above the level all in one weird group seems like a hell of a lot more work than just deleting them
That 60z bug can actually be avoided if you use Low Detail Mode in the Help section. I know this because I used to play on 60hz, and one part was bugged without LDM, but with LDM I could get past it easily. That likely means that LDM messes with the hitboxes, so that could possibly explain the usage of LDM.
I grew up watching Tosh Deluxe, and this controversy always mystified me. Especially back then, younger me was like "theres no way my favorite youtuber is a hacker". Even after it died out, it still confused me. Anyways, thanks for solving this mystery. Now I know the truth.
I remember when this went down, with the sawblades and microclicks and everything. The most confusing part about it to me is why the sawblades became a huge community meme years after any of the drama was relevant.
This is my 2nd favourite controversy when i was really into the game, everyone knew tosh wasn't good enough to beat DV, but yet, nearly 6 years later, we still don't 100% have confirmation on how he hacked it. It's very likely auto, but only tosh really knows. My favourite verification controversy happened at a similar time with betrayal of fate by weo. No one talks about this anymore, but weo never had a verification video for it, however, weo was and still is highly respected. Is BoF hack verified? Thats a question that still lingers in my mind because there's never been any concrete evidence on either side.
This was an amazing controversy to see happen. I think my favorite has to be the noctafly shit tho, that was quite literally a 1v25 situation that was absolutely insane
Wasn't Weo's BoF verification confirmed to be with a secret way? I could have sworn that was the outcome of the controversy at the time. I'm pretty sure he admitted it himself as well. Regardless, I don't think anyone holds it against him and for good reason. He never wanted to be a good player and he never tried to get recognition for being a good player. He just wanted to make a hard level and put it out there, but at the time (early 2.0) it was still very rare to have the creator and the verifier be completely separate unlike now. That's why I think he hacked it.
5:30 actually, I have this bug for me in the editor, when I drag something it copies itself everywhere into a mess similar to that. Stacking hundreds into the same grid space
Great video! i was confused about the memes where there would just be the Devil Vortex saws placed at the end. it really cleared things up for me and i understand the scandal now. Thanks!
about the wave thing with the fps: of course you are more consistant at lower fps with it. to get this pixel perfect alignment you need to basically do it frame perfect, and well the less frames you have per second the more time you have per frame to hit it so it's easier
I've learnt a Very valuable lesson from this video alone. Never put anything suspicious on something before its too late. You're gonna have some questioning later. Answer it wrong and you're dead for.
what annoys me about this is that everyone gets hung up on whether or not tosh's defense about the saws makes sense or not, but he doesn't have to prove his innocence, they need to prove his guilt, and no one has made a thorough exposing that shows concrete proof as they have done with other hackers. i don't understand if they could expose noctafly or even Bo, why can't they expose tosh if he really hacked
Hello! I have a few inquiries: When testing the consistency of the wave movements on higher and lower hertz, there was for some reason the choice to do it with the normal-sized wave, despite that the macro-accusation was made against ToshDeluxe's mini-wave movements. It may have made little difference, but I thought it would have been more accurate to try and recreate it as closely as possible. Additionally, it would have been preferable to use 120 hertz rather than 240 to more closely resemble the prerequisites behind Tosh's verification attempt. Other than that, this video was very well done!
Trying to perfectly recreate tosh's gameplay wasn't the point. The point was to show that spam is more consistent on lower fps, and showing that tosh is an idiot.
@@tkienjoyer I'm aware of that - however, I think it would have strengthened the main point to make the test as definite and conclusive as possible - especially considering that it is the main piece of evidence supporting the very decisive conclusion made at the end of the video. This is not meant to invalidate the analysis, but rather to remove any doubt of illegitimacy. Nonetheless, the overall research was very impressive!
@@legendavid993 I feel it a bit unnecessary to post this comment as saying tosh was legit is idiocy regardless, but maybe that's just me. That's the main reason I posted the original reply
5:35 if you look closely you’ll notice the entire mess of sawblades is just that pattern of 3 sawblades copy and pasted. Not sure if that changes anything but it’s something to note
What I find super interesting as well is that the thing you pointed out (Being the 3 Saw allignment) is that the whole structure is just that assignment copied over a bunch of time
another thing i thought was interesting: at 98%, after he passed the last wave, he does 13 frame perfect wave inputs in a row, which is next to impossible on high refresh rates, especially at high cps. its like this guy was trying to get caught lol
@@zcode9343 I watched both the videos and didn't see, you must be seeing things. Do you mean the one he did on stream 5 years ago or the rebeat with the purple skin?
@@zcode9343 Yeah, I kinda sorta found it and while the part at 54% looks sus, the one at 98% is actually human made. I checked the pixels and the pattern of the pixels wasn't the same for all (0, 1, 1, 0 , 1 distance). It still feels really weird to call out stuff that happened so long ago. People either really hate him and like to bring stuff back or either found out about it recently. I'm not too deep into GD community, but I know there have been multiple incidents where famous players hacked or did naughty-naughty.
5:35 I also noticed that that pattern is copied very messily throughout the sawblades. They seem to be copy pasted all the way down which is weird and I have no idea what to do with this info
The Devil Vortex saws are (I'm pretty sure) rotating at different speeds, but even then it STILL wouldn't make sense because he could just change the custom rotation speed as he was placing them.
the thing is maybe for the saws, he probably had 3 perfect saws and was playing around with the saws spamming at 75% maybe to see fi they were good enough for the levels, and maybe he didnt know about the save feature on editor however, the buffed version he tried to verify was hacked
I love how you actually used gd as an example to provide facts and evidence to prove and justify your points. Absolulety loved this video, it was awesome :D
you said at the beginning of the video how the saws add up to 54, and npesta said it takes 54 jump pads or so to make the level auto. i think he did this because he showed the object count at the end of the video and didnt want there to be 54 objects less when the level was actually uploaded.
Hey! I really liked this video, but what i'm wondering, is what texture pack you're using. It looks really cool, and purple is my favourite color, so i wanted to ask what texture pack you were using.
To this day I just don’t understand why Tosh didn’t disguise those 54 objects better. The saws make it so obvious. If it was just an extra row of black blocks at the top or bottom of the level area he would have never been caught.
I was in the server of the initial devil vortex exposure video. I didn’t contribute basically anything, but I found it amusing to see this drama unfolding before everyone else. I think the shared experience was that something is incredibly fishy about the video, and we had some ideas about what but nothing definitive. As soon as the level came out, we knew the level was horribly unbalanced (especially with the pixel perfect click at the end) similarly to Athanatos which was also hacked on verification. I think the point of the video was more to raise questions towards the legitimacy of the video and hope he admitted to it.
11:41 hey look it’s me :) Great video though, I remember when this was “verified” back in the day and all the controversies that followed, from some stuff with noctafly to the npesta situation. It’s nice to see this being brought back up with even more evidence to support the verification not being legit lol
Tosh copy pasting saws is such a dumb method of trying to manipulate the obj count. You can literally think of a better way of manipulating the obj count and make it unnoticeable at the same time in just 5 seconds of thinking. This is what I would've done: Devil Vortex is full of black objects, specifically black cubes. If you copy+paste a black cube on top of itself you can't literally tell if it's done so. The only way of finding out if it's by pure chance you select one of the objects I randomly copied on top of itself AND moved it. With the insane amounts of black cubes there's in devil Vortex it would be almost impossible to even find one of them, assume there's more of those and find the exact same amount of objects I copied+pasted on top of themselves. Copy pasting those saws was literally a red flag.
He also could've added some invisible blocks (im pretty sure those are a thing, haven't played in a while) at the bottom of the map or inside the blocks in the layout and people probably wouldn't notice (i don't think they pop up without selection on the level editor)
something i'd like to comment about the custom object proposition is that it's very easy to get to the 100 custom object limit with other things you may not want to delete to add a new one, i'm not sure if a bypass was available at the time
I love how this is the only hacking controversy that doesn’t actually have a definitive conclusion
When this controversy started I was 10 fucking years old
Even if he did hack Devil Vortex, he still inspired other people to beat it legit like Cyclic
I guess the reason is because no one really actually cares lol
correct me politely if I wrong :)
Cyclic?
@@HJfod yea the person who hacked cataclysmic inspired other people to beat it
Hacked verification levels are probably the most interesting part of GD's history
Agreed
Yeah
hacking levels is the one way to success 😎
Should have hacked villain virus to kept that going
Especially since after hacked verifications are done, people often beat those levels anyways
I especially loved how aggressive he was with every single sentence he said towards his exposers. It really adds to the whole experience of that video.
@ScimaGD lemme also
@ScimaGD this is the most fucking repetitive reply possible upon youtube
@ScimaGD youtube is for teens which means that they can swear
@ScimaGD prepare to laugh at this extremely funny response. fuck shit piss ass damn. I would like to credit smosh for introducing me to the wonderful world of swearing, and my father for publicly showing the many different ways it can be used
Tosh left on caps lock
8:16 It's worth noting that Toshdeluxe was known to do this kind of consistent wave spamming back in those days. He did this A LOT. Not just devil vortex, but on a lot of levels.
Lmao and now spam players do stuff like that for 10 seconds or more
@@cubycube9924 yes on 60 hz or lower usually
@@dreamsdicc1817 nah nowadays it's fairly common on higher fps
@@zealotgamez7796 im talking about 2 hand spam challenges unless thats a thing too
@@dreamsdicc1817 as in 2 hands on keyboard? Yah that's a thing too
5:41 he probably copied those 3 sawblades at the top and started copypasting them downwards. You can see the same pattern of big, medium, and small sawblades the more you go down
yea it would have been a better argument to say "I was literally just bored and copypasted them" than what he said
that was exactly what i thought! it also explains why a bunch of saws are also stacked on eachother since its just copypasted
I was wondering when someone would mention that
probabl put them in custon obj, and spammed them with swipe option. Then, with the precision of a surgeon's scalpel, copypasted them to create exactly 54 saws at the top.
Yes i just noticed that too
7/23/23 Tosh is OFFICIALLY proven guilty due to found particles popping up in certain places, meaning that he used blue pads to auto some parts of the level. This justifies npesta’s theory that 54 blue pads were used in the level, also justifying the mystery of the devil vortex saws, which was so the level would have the same amount of objects as the original version. I had actually theorized that the level was macroed after the completion to remove some blue pads (I had theorized that it was 14 oddly enough using some terrible math). Tosh has FINALLY been banned from the demon list, and Mycrafted is officially the verifier of devil vortex. I think his video is now the official verification video for devil vortex, too.
oh nice
neay
question, why did he bother with the saws? why not just copy paste some objects? why leave himself exposed?
@@rhaws2683 who knows? maybe he wanted the community to find out? Maybe he wanted it to happen?
@@LuigiPres1attention?
moral of the story: dont play on low detail mode
but tbh... that drama was like the funniest sh*t ever. and well... we shall never know what actually happened
My game lags less on ldm lmao
@@Kaika433of course that's the point of ldm
@@miniiore yeah but this dude said that the moral of the story is to not use ldm
@@Kaika433 it was a joke
@@Outlawchief-cq4xy i know
5:36 That blew my MIND. No one's ever pointed out those three saws before, and now for the first time I could make sense of the Devil Vortex saws.
I think those three saws _were a custom object,_ and after Tosh went back into the level, he dragged them across the top at 75%, and deleted extra saws until he got 54 objects. That's why it looks so bizarre!
I don't get it. What's so special about these saws
@@idiot9063 well accusations are that there are somehow perfectly 54 objects in those saws. And npesta's math (obviously full of flaws and assumptions) say that there are 54 auto-pads in the hardest parts of the level
@@cmnx3083 what does that have to do with anything
*Devil Vortex Saw Blades is still funny*
@@cmnx3083 why is the number aligning significant at all? Why is adding another 54 objects proof of anything? Genuine question, this has literally confused me ever since the controversy happened
At least Josh Deluxe gave us a funni haha meme.
The hardest thing about this situation is it was streamed with audible clicks. The audio is replaced in the video supposedly for "higher quality" which does make sense as an excuse for the time because at the time there were those GD vids with like 6 background sounds and terrible audio quality. The thing that makes it hard to solve is nobody archived the stream so there is no way to check the raw footage's content. Also there's the fact that he was in a VC with RedHuseey who was making a lot of background noise such as typing which would make his reasoning even more logical. I do think he hacked it but the only person who truly knows is ToshDeluxe
he recently got exposed with irrefutable proofs
I like how the main reason this controversy got so big in the first place was solely because the saws were placed funny. if tosh wanted to cover up auto with the object count, then he could’ve already done that easily with the unused boss fight stored above the level (like adding more glow to the laser attack or something). Using the saws like this would’ve been the most bizarre way of doing it. I really do think the saws mean nothing, and that he just copy pasted them on accident when he was fixing something in the level. It’s kind of funny how such a small thing can lead to something so drastic.
this didn’t age well. he recently got exposed with irrefutable proofs
@@inikewwdym? They weren’t denying that tosh was cheating
@@SunGodAtomes they said they didnt think tosh cheated
@@inikew oh shi i misread
@@SunGodAtomes dw u good
you forgot to talk about the saws. so basically he had 54 jump pads invisible and the level'd go from like 8000 to 8054. when he publishes, he can't leave that part auto, so he fulfills the 54 objects with saws.
thx for the heart
@@stysan nis hearts every comment
One other thing is the saws add up to 54 objects and each set of saws is 6 objects. 54 is divisible by 6 and 54/6 is 9 so he could've just placed 9 different sets of saws above the level and claimed "He didn't wanna go all the way back to 75 to get them" and it would've made sense
Oh and another important point: Tosh didn’t spend a lot of attempts on Devil Vortex compared to the other verifiers in levels of similar difficulty. Tosh spent less than 10,000 attempts. For comparison, Sunix spent 35,000 attempts on Sonic Wave, Trusta spent 50,000 attempts on Yatagarasu and BoldStep spent 44,000 attempts on Erebus.
7:45 the wave makes particles when it hits the ground😳
For anyone wondering why low FPS allows for easy consistent spam, it’s because no matter where you click in a frame, the player movement will always (assuming that there’s no lag) happen at the same time: the start of the next frame. If I’m at 10FPS, clicking 10, 10.1, 10.2, and so on, seconds through a level will always have the player move at eleven seconds through, at exactly the same point. It’s like framerules from the original super Mario, and the bus stop analogy. Arriving at the bus stop is you clicking, and the bus driving is the player moving; no matter when you arrive at the bus stop between two busses exiting, you’ll always leave at the same time.
This is very eloquently put!
It's funny that he says "You could argue that whoever beat devil vortex first after Tosh is the true verifier" when that is exactly what happened to Doggie with slaughterhouse after SpaceUK was exposed.
Tosh could’ve atleast hid the saws with a alpha trigger, or could’ve added extra deco that added up to 54 objects. There was a lot of stuff you could’ve done instead of just hiding the saws up there and hoping nobody sees it
The saws ARE hidden with an alpha trigger, which makes it even more suspicious
@@mysticaxolotl8215 Oh I didn’t even know that..
I also noticed Tosh's completion on Bloodbath where he clearly noclipped, but nobody in the comments even gave a crap about it. Lol.
this aged very well and now we know that toshdeluxe isin't so much of a skilled player.
It's funny because tosh also added 45 objects above his version of unnerfed paracosm circles and unlike devil vortex they weren't custom objects of any kind. 45 objects is enough to auto most of the last wave in unnerfed paracosm circles which is the hardest part and just like with devil vortex he did not show himself uploading the level in his video.
The saw blades is obviously Tosh having the three saws selected and then accidentally placing them while trying to move to another part in the editor thanks to swipe mode being enabled. If you've ever built a level you've had this happen at least once and its annoying
Devil Vortex is also bugged on 60 but not 144. This is why weoweoteo (another person who made an exposing vid on Tosh) was 'certain' that Tosh hacked the level because hes a 60hz player. This was before it was widely known that GD's physics change depending on your fps
The whole situation is a clusterfuck cuz the accusations at the time were as bad as his response
that would make sense, if it wasnt a. at the very top of the level, b. there weren't solid blocks at the exact same location as the saw and c. different kinds of saws
People knew about the physics changing between 60hz and 144hz well before this scandal. A lot of top players switched to 144hz or above by then because of it, hence why it was so odd to see a 60hz player verify a top 5 extreme demon.
why would he not just undo the placement of accidental saws tho?
moving them above the level all in one weird group seems like a hell of a lot more work than just deleting them
@@morgboat744 and also if this did happen why would he say they were just used for copying
That 60z bug can actually be avoided if you use Low Detail Mode in the Help section. I know this because I used to play on 60hz, and one part was bugged without LDM, but with LDM I could get past it easily. That likely means that LDM messes with the hitboxes, so that could possibly explain the usage of LDM.
I can't believe this drama I've seen from the very start has finally come to an end
“Hold my beer”- spaceuk
Question: why would he even copy blades instead of copying blocks within the level? Hence making it harder to detect
7:25 he sounds like a ai voiceover bruh
I never understood the "Devil Vortex Saws" memes, so thanks for this video.
This video aged well.
I grew up watching Tosh Deluxe, and this controversy always mystified me. Especially back then, younger me was like "theres no way my favorite youtuber is a hacker". Even after it died out, it still confused me. Anyways, thanks for solving this mystery. Now I know the truth.
I kinda dont think he hacks in the way he actually hacks
I remember when this went down, with the sawblades and microclicks and everything. The most confusing part about it to me is why the sawblades became a huge community meme years after any of the drama was relevant.
Sikky is rapidly approaching you, quickly hide the saws
While the verifications were undoubtedly hacked, the saws are one of the greatest gd memes, and for that I'm grateful.
I didn't even know adding custom objects was even possible until I watched this video.
The memes about the saws will never not be funny
Thank you for giving me a conclusion to this still "unsolved" case
This is my 2nd favourite controversy when i was really into the game, everyone knew tosh wasn't good enough to beat DV, but yet, nearly 6 years later, we still don't 100% have confirmation on how he hacked it. It's very likely auto, but only tosh really knows.
My favourite verification controversy happened at a similar time with betrayal of fate by weo. No one talks about this anymore, but weo never had a verification video for it, however, weo was and still is highly respected. Is BoF hack verified? Thats a question that still lingers in my mind because there's never been any concrete evidence on either side.
Yeah but all the accusations were either "oh but hes bad" or "yeah but the deco!!!!"
This was an amazing controversy to see happen. I think my favorite has to be the noctafly shit tho, that was quite literally a 1v25 situation that was absolutely insane
Wasn't Weo's BoF verification confirmed to be with a secret way? I could have sworn that was the outcome of the controversy at the time. I'm pretty sure he admitted it himself as well.
Regardless, I don't think anyone holds it against him and for good reason. He never wanted to be a good player and he never tried to get recognition for being a good player. He just wanted to make a hard level and put it out there, but at the time (early 2.0) it was still very rare to have the creator and the verifier be completely separate unlike now. That's why I think he hacked it.
We having favourite controversies now?
5:30 actually, I have this bug for me in the editor, when I drag something it copies itself everywhere into a mess similar to that. Stacking hundreds into the same grid space
It's swipe mode.
this is my comfort video and idk why
I find it hilarious that tosh comes back all of a sudden and we just go back onto him 🤣
Great video! i was confused about the memes where there would just be the Devil Vortex saws placed at the end. it really cleared things up for me and i understand the scandal now. Thanks!
I think they were placed there to comply with the amount of orbs that were making the level invisible auto, so they had the same object count
about the wave thing with the fps: of course you are more consistant at lower fps with it. to get this pixel perfect alignment you need to basically do it frame perfect, and well the less frames you have per second the more time you have per frame to hit it so it's easier
Holy moly this is probably the most in depth investigation of a hacked verification I've ever seen.Good work man!
I've learnt a Very valuable lesson from this video alone.
Never put anything suspicious on something before its too late. You're gonna have some questioning later. Answer it wrong and you're dead for.
I didn't know this video is a crime commiting tutorial 💀💀💀
Now we got spaceuk
The thing is that the set of 3 saws is just below the level at 75, way easier to get than the ones at the top
"Stay outcof my head"
-Sikky
me trying to stop my big explosion of spit and laughter when i see the vortex saws
what annoys me about this is that everyone gets hung up on whether or not tosh's defense about the saws makes sense or not, but he doesn't have to prove his innocence, they need to prove his guilt, and no one has made a thorough exposing that shows concrete proof as they have done with other hackers. i don't understand if they could expose noctafly or even Bo, why can't they expose tosh if he really hacked
Hello! I have a few inquiries:
When testing the consistency of the wave movements on higher and lower hertz, there was for some reason the choice to do it with the normal-sized wave, despite that the macro-accusation was made against ToshDeluxe's mini-wave movements. It may have made little difference, but I thought it would have been more accurate to try and recreate it as closely as possible. Additionally, it would have been preferable to use 120 hertz rather than 240 to more closely resemble the prerequisites behind Tosh's verification attempt.
Other than that, this video was very well done!
Trying to perfectly recreate tosh's gameplay wasn't the point. The point was to show that spam is more consistent on lower fps, and showing that tosh is an idiot.
@@tkienjoyer I'm aware of that - however, I think it would have strengthened the main point to make the test as definite and conclusive as possible - especially considering that it is the main piece of evidence supporting the very decisive conclusion made at the end of the video. This is not meant to invalidate the analysis, but rather to remove any doubt of illegitimacy. Nonetheless, the overall research was very impressive!
@@legendavid993 I feel it a bit unnecessary to post this comment as saying tosh was legit is idiocy regardless, but maybe that's just me. That's the main reason I posted the original reply
5:35 if you look closely you’ll notice the entire mess of sawblades is just that pattern of 3 sawblades copy and pasted. Not sure if that changes anything but it’s something to note
What I find super interesting as well is that the thing you pointed out (Being the 3 Saw allignment) is that the whole structure is just that assignment copied over a bunch of time
11:23 bro still didn't let the sink in
This mystery finally has an end lol
finally i get why some meme reviewer kinda gets PTSD when he sees that pattern
another thing i thought was interesting: at 98%, after he passed the last wave, he does 13 frame perfect wave inputs in a row, which is next to impossible on high refresh rates, especially at high cps. its like this guy was trying to get caught lol
no he didnt tf
@@shoeskehigashikata7125 bro watch the freaking video lol
@@zcode9343 I watched both the videos and didn't see, you must be seeing things. Do you mean the one he did on stream 5 years ago or the rebeat with the purple skin?
@@PiniutLEGIT its at the end of his verification for the old version
@@zcode9343 Yeah, I kinda sorta found it and while the part at 54% looks sus, the one at 98% is actually human made. I checked the pixels and the pattern of the pixels wasn't the same for all (0, 1, 1, 0 , 1 distance).
It still feels really weird to call out stuff that happened so long ago. People either really hate him and like to bring stuff back or either found out about it recently.
I'm not too deep into GD community, but I know there have been multiple incidents where famous players hacked or did naughty-naughty.
Aged like fine wine
April 21.... Pretty Close to Tosh's Hacking Scandal.... SpaceUK and Tosh Related?
that weird sawblade pattern looks like a bunch of the 3 original saws but duplicated a lot
8:50 bros argument was literally "NUH UH"
i want to make a meme where people just put devil vortex saws in all their levels or in the background atleast lol
5:35 I also noticed that that pattern is copied very messily throughout the sawblades. They seem to be copy pasted all the way down which is weird and I have no idea what to do with this info
The infamous saws...
just saw this video now but i have to say its a very interesting topic and good video ur very underrated, keep it up!
We still can't deny the level is beautifull
Recently, The Verification Was Actually Proven TO BE HACKED!
Had to be, the wave did the odd thing.
Holy shit I remember the video when tosh uploaded saying he didn't cheat this level all those years ago that's crazy
You could even see the pads when you had slow mo on the wave part XD
sikky is mad
Glad to see you covering recent and relevant situations!!! 😁
lol
Me who has known and played gd including using the editor for at least 5 years now: “Wait you can save custom objects?”
i noticed another part where the saw blades are perfectly aligned. Its right under the middle saw blade one you saw earlier
4:12 I still do this you can’t do me like that 😭
The Devil Vortex saws are (I'm pretty sure) rotating at different speeds, but even then it STILL wouldn't make sense because he could just change the custom rotation speed as he was placing them.
amazing video, as always! really cleared up some confusion for me lol
the thing is
maybe for the saws, he probably had 3 perfect saws and was playing around with the saws spamming at 75% maybe to see fi they were good enough for the levels, and maybe he didnt know about the save feature on editor
however, the buffed version he tried to verify was hacked
I love how you actually used gd as an example to provide facts and evidence to prove and justify your points. Absolulety loved this video, it was awesome :D
Honestly why are people still going at this one level in 2023
The devil vortex situation is getting more intriguing
i've noticed that all the saws have the same spacing between size. So my idea is that he most likely spammed ctrl, d, and s.
9:50 is also why the spam list has low fps verifications.
you said at the beginning of the video how the saws add up to 54, and npesta said it takes 54 jump pads or so to make the level auto. i think he did this because he showed the object count at the end of the video and didnt want there to be 54 objects less when the level was actually uploaded.
Hey! I really liked this video, but what i'm wondering, is what texture pack you're using.
It looks really cool, and purple is my favourite color, so i wanted to ask what texture pack you were using.
To this day I just don’t understand why Tosh didn’t disguise those 54 objects better. The saws make it so obvious. If it was just an extra row of black blocks at the top or bottom of the level area he would have never been caught.
1:36 well that aged well
Not really cause of “one of”
ayy we got a heart
I was in the server of the initial devil vortex exposure video. I didn’t contribute basically anything, but I found it amusing to see this drama unfolding before everyone else.
I think the shared experience was that something is incredibly fishy about the video, and we had some ideas about what but nothing definitive.
As soon as the level came out, we knew the level was horribly unbalanced (especially with the pixel perfect click at the end) similarly to Athanatos which was also hacked on verification.
I think the point of the video was more to raise questions towards the legitimacy of the video and hope he admitted to it.
i think its for testing the saws if its nice. the broken lined diagonal pattern reminds me of dragging stuff three sutff in the same line
11:41 hey look it’s me :)
Great video though, I remember when this was “verified” back in the day and all the controversies that followed, from some stuff with noctafly to the npesta situation. It’s nice to see this being brought back up with even more evidence to support the verification not being legit lol
about to make sikky lose his mind 1:16
'NOOO IT'S EVERYWHERE' - Sikky
Tosh copy pasting saws is such a dumb method of trying to manipulate the obj count.
You can literally think of a better way of manipulating the obj count and make it unnoticeable at the same time in just 5 seconds of thinking.
This is what I would've done:
Devil Vortex is full of black objects, specifically black cubes. If you copy+paste a black cube on top of itself you can't literally tell if it's done so. The only way of finding out if it's by pure chance you select one of the objects I randomly copied on top of itself AND moved it. With the insane amounts of black cubes there's in devil Vortex it would be almost impossible to even find one of them, assume there's more of those and find the exact same amount of objects I copied+pasted on top of themselves.
Copy pasting those saws was literally a red flag.
He also could've added some invisible blocks (im pretty sure those are a thing, haven't played in a while) at the bottom of the map or inside the blocks in the layout and people probably wouldn't notice (i don't think they pop up without selection on the level editor)
"No, I am not using mods... well I mean, I am" with the mod menus just rolling in is so funny
yeah i hated that line.
short answer: yes,
long answer: yes he did hack it
Alternatively,
Short answer: yea
Long answer : yyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaa
2:19,from the gameplay the ship got down like it was on a slope.
Underrated content 👏👏👏
Thanks, now I understand those memes about the devil vortex saws
All the saws at the top are just the 3 in a line 🤯
At 12:14 there is a hitbox right below the ship portal. I can’t tell if tosh actually used auto or if the creator just put it there
Thats in the level
it would way way harder and kinda luck based if that wasnt there, cause going from wave to ship straight fly without any alignment help is super awful
@@xd3athclawx554 you're right
2:17 theres litteraly particles of ship standing on invisible blocks
I was surprised to find out this video wasn't posted in April Fools
something i'd like to comment about the custom object proposition is that it's very easy to get to the 100 custom object limit with other things you may not want to delete to add a new one, i'm not sure if a bypass was available at the time
additionally, a lot of the saws look like they were copied and pasted duplicates of the original 3, as they are spaced the same