We need a video to cover a day in the life of Simon Whistler. Just to see what he does, other than magically post videos all day. Like, is he really a person, or a damn good robot that someone gave emotions to?
Little known fact, the Whistler 2000 doesn't even come with emotions. You have to pay extra for that, so we just got the base model. You can go check out Business Blaze to see the latest Whistler 3000 though, which comes with the emotion chip even in the base model. It wasn't out yet though when we started this channel. -Daven
Except that the prevailing religious or philosophical/moral views (if you prefer) are what define the culture, and culture is what influences law. So you are asking for the impossible. You can say atheism but even that is a religious belief.
@@beverlybalius9303 that is very incorrect, you must swear on a king james bible in court, "in God we trust" is on the legal tender, and the constitution includes the inalieable rights given by God. Religion built American justice.
@@steakslapn9724 nope, the founders deliberately left out all references to God, Jesus, Christianity in the founding documents because they were attempting to do something that violated religious beliefs of the time - to declare that royalty are not ruling by divine right and human beings have the right to govern themselves. In Europe this was scandalous because it was assumed that royalty were divine, and they were protected by the churches who gained political and monetary benefits from this arrangement. This also helped keep control of the common people. Our forefathers were raised and worked during the age of enlightenment, a time of science, invention, discovery and a questioning of the theocracy of the day. They believed in a creator, but their creator did not actively interfere in the affairs of mankind. It was a very interesting time.
As a bonus fact why didn’t point out that mary dryer is one of the only women with a statue dedicated to her at the Boston State House on the state house line along with greats like JFK
@Cynthia "...mary dryer is one of the only women..." This video is about Mary Dyer, not the "mary dryer" to whom you allude. I vaguely recall reading about Mary Dryer. Did she invent hair dryer or clothes dryer?
Simon, you should know better! The Puritans didn't flee England to escape religious persecution. They were kicked out to keep THEM from persecuting EVERYONE ELSE!
Or you might be a reasonable person who finds extreme pacifism deeply immoral. Violence is the solution to evil in many, many cases, and a world run by Quakers would soon be in the hands of the worst dictators one could imagine.
Ti Man Yeah, I knew that. Didn’t see much evidence of Quakerism in him. My mother worked in the chemistry department of a university during the Vietnam War. Her boss was a Quaker, who was very much against the war,.... BUT all of his grants were from the Defense Department because he designed the latest jet fuels. Quite the contradiction. I went to his house once as a kid. Saw my first woman’s breast, when his wife whipped her breast out to breast feed an infant. I went back into his preteen boys bedroom, & they had a chest full of Playboy & Penthouse magazines, & their curtains were white with digital black printouts of female nudes. I went to his office at the university, & he had a nude centerfold calendar in direct view of the public, including students & fellow employees. I remember sexist banter from him, Mad Men style, yet he was also this Quaker peacenik, who just happened to work making jet fuel for the Defense Department during a contentious war. He was quite a character. I traded a turtle I had for a black kitten. Duffy. Had her 7 years. It was a wild time. I remember student protests on campus, particularly one where black students were protesting some unjust disparities. It felt like you were living in history as it was happening
Another example of how the English loved it that the Puritan religious fanatics were leaving their isles to the New World. When the Quaker sect of pacifists arrived, they too discovered that the Puritans aggressively ignored Jesus' gospel messages to not be judgemental and to love everyone as His primary commandment. Luke 6:37 “Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven; Matthew 22:37-39 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
@@rogerhinman5427 Yeah there's that. Plus, murdering Christian pacifists is a special level of evil that's right up the alley of the homicidal Puritans. Look at what those psychotics did with Oliver Cromwell during and after the English Civil War (the anti-Catholic pogroms in Scotland and Ireland for starters).
Bat Guano Cromwell did not approve of the religious sects but he did follow orders. He is a similar character to Rommel, both honourable men in bad times with bad leaders.
@@rogerhinman5427 The Puritans were an example of fanatics concentrating on a few fringe details of Bible scripture (commands against witchcraft and heresy) while ignoring the main gospel message of love, charity, humbleness, empathy, compassion and forgiveness. Depressing to see how easy it is to rally people to commit evil things (discrimination, persecution and murder for out-group people), but so hard to get them to do good and generous things for others.
True story: during my first term as a student at Harvard University's divinity school (in Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA), one of my instructors recounted Mary Dyer's story in class, and said that it was to the credit of Massachusetts that its leaders realized in later generations that her persecution and execution were mistakes, and that they honored her memory with the statue in front of the state house. In other words, at the university that was founded to train Puritan clergy for the Massachusetts Bay Colony, they had revised the curriculum somewhat.
She had eight children. 6 lived to adulthood and married. Many notable descendents. One is a Rhode Island senator. Remarkable life really and managed to leave behind a legacy. Her own husband never became a Quaker, and only two children are known to have become Quakers.
@@Knight_Astolfo She actually said "It's a fair cop.", a British expression meaning someone was fairly accused of something, usually an admittance of guilt if the accused says it. The Pythons used this line in the TV show pretty much every time a character was arrested or accused of something. "Today I Found Out." LOL
Thank you for making this video! I've been working on a story for years now that is heavily inspired by other stories I'm deeply attached to, but that I have also been struggling to work on due to every life interrupting. I also have frequent bouts of self doubt that creep up to further delay my progress. This video has been a beautiful lift to my confidence towards making my story and I can not thank you enough!
@DrMossydog _It would be cool to be God. If you're bored, you split off into a couple other cool Gods. You can split off into the Holy Ghost and watch yourself scare kids or split off into Jesus and play all the games that exists, with someone that would never cheat._
When will people stop saying Puritans left England to escape religious persecution rather than, as the evidence shows, that they left England because they were no longer allowed to persecute others and sought a place where they could reinstitute that persecution.
The Quakers were despised by the Puritans largely because their Christian vision was much more closely aligned with founder Jesus of Nazareth -namely 'love your enemies'. The Puritans simply could not abide such heresy, and so they sought to destroy them.
THANK YOU for pointing that out. I worshiped with the Quakers for several years, and they're liberal pacifists. The Puritans *claimed* to be following Jesus' teachings, but they were hypocrites. The Quakers *lived* Jesus' teachings and got killed for it.
They escaped religious persecution only to be persecuted by the ones who wanted religious freedom. Evey day since then, everyone has been judged according to THEIR standards. Believe what they say or else!
very cool ancestor. It looks like i had Quaker ancestors in Pennsylvania in the 1700, but no one so well known for facing injustice without fear, the way Mary Dyer did.
@@user-qs7by5nm1g think she is mine as well but I don't know how many greats. I have Dyers on my moms side all the way back. In the process of trying to learn more.
//goes to america for religious freedom //tries to deny others there their religious freedom Ah yes, the sweet hypocrisy that is a fundamental pillar of our proud nation.
They were persecuted in England only for being utterly intolerant of all other religions. They came to the Colonies so they could establish their own little spot where they didn't have to put up with anyone else.
As a minor addendum, This *might* have something to do with the founding shortly after, in 1682, of Pennsylvania. which championed religious freedom from the beginning. Though Penn was a Quaker, all faiths were welcomed & allowed to settle. Thus the area historically has had a broad mix of faiths including judaism, the Anabaptists (Amish & Mennonite), Lutheran, Presbyterian, Catholic etc. A piece of trivia: The Mason-Dixon line (Pennsylvania's southern border) has a very specific radius cut out along its eastern section; It was to keep those nasty Quakers away from the god-fearing Catholics in Wilmington. As I recall, it was 15 miles from the major church's steeple
Henryk Gödel it’s easier to excuse atrocities when your invisible friend tells you to do it. Additionally, very little of western culture is atheist in nature.
I'm usually happy to see the story of puritans, Quakers, and Mary Dyer repeated. But also struck by how much is distorted by "popular history." Radical puritans came to New England to establish their own society wherein they could practice their religion as they saw fit. They weren't happy when outsiders (antinomians, Baptists, Quakers, and others) arrived, determined to overthrow their religious and civil order. If interested in a balanced telling of Mary Dyer's story, see Winsser, Mary and William Dyer, Quaker Light and Puritan Ambition.
Wow, I can't believe I haven't heard this story before. Maybe I did briefly in 5th grade, but it is incredible how brave this lady was. Her sacrifice almost single-handedly stopped the lynching of Quakers. That's incredible.
Free grace is the truth, good works count for nothing. Saying your good works get you into heaven takes the glory from God and ascribes it to you and that God cannot abide. Through the grace of God he gives the gift of salvation through faith in Christ.
Quinntus79 ~ yeah, but that was The Dude saying DON’T cut off ears and here (or hear ~ as the case may be) are these twisted bastards doing it in the name of God. I don’t care what someone’s faith is but if a person’s going to say, “I believe in Jesus” then do what He says, not what you think you ought. I pisses me off. The Christians used to hate the Jews because ‘they killed Jesus’. But then they run around defying the very words they claim to believe. Jesus used to call some of the hypocrites “Brood of Vipers” that was a massive insult, akin to someone calling you a “Son of a whore”. I think he’d use similar terminology on these dudes.
"Rare photo of actual event" I was expecting a story about an early historic photo, instead I guess it was a clickbait joke. You're better than that...
2009Bowiefan neither did I. But it was still presented as a joke with the sarcastic (probably) underneath the title. So whether you got it or not, it’s not click baiting
Love how these things go. People get attacked and imprisoned for having a different faith as its seen as the devil's work and as causing disruption. "I'm really fed up with being persecuted for my choice in faith, it's not fair or right!" Move to a new country where you can practice your faith however you wish. Enjoy new freedoms. "This is cool! I can now freely practice my faith without fear of persecution. It's exactly how it should be. Hmmm what's that person over there saying?" Realise that people who don't think and worship how you do have also decided to move to try and find those same freedoms. "Well, we're not having that. How dare they think it's OK to spread their rubbish. It must be the work of the devil." Persecute new group and act exactly how those who'd driven you out of your home country had.
I fear it's still written in American history books that the Pilgrims left to the New World to "avoid religious persecution." The Netherlands were, at the time, one of the most religiously tolerant nations in Europe. The Pilgrims didn't want religious freedom; they wanted to live in a place where Puritanism was the only faith.
@@PSquared-oo7vq The Pilgrims were actually Separatists. Subtle difference, but a difference none the less. Pilgrims, Puritans, and Separatists (Calvinist Settlers in Colonial New England) ruclips.net/video/duYgwNs2d5Y/видео.html Quakers are different from The Calvinists The Quakers: A Brief History (Religious Society of Friends) ruclips.net/video/XI_iE9Je4TI/видео.html
These videos have loads of offshoots and tangents that could lead into new videos. Like one on the Antinomian Controversy for instance. That would be a good one, I think.
It's how we come up with a huge number of topics. :-) You come across a lot of interesting things while researching other interesting things. :-) -Daven
Mary was a badass! Judge says she's gonna be hanged & she replies "That's what you said last time, asshole!" They say her blood is on her hands & she says "Um, no, it's on your hands since you're literally killing me for walking around."
Opening line: "Although the Puritans came to America to escape religious persecution......." Hold it right there. They came to persecute. Europe was too tolerant for their liking.
But don't forget that in the same time frame there were other colonies, like Jamestown (Anglicans were the majority), where such nut jobs like the Puritans didn't rule. I learned something today. Thanks.
The "persecution" the puritans in Britain was that they were not allowed to persecute other religious groups. So this just seems like what they would do.
Simon, I worshiped with the Quakers for several years, and I'd like to clear up a possible misunderstanding in your story. You presented Mary Dyer in a very truthful way, and her words speak for themselves. But early in the video, I felt like you made the Quakers sound evangelistic in the way that most fundamentalist groups today are evangelistic. Actually, Quakers are one of the most liberal Christian groups you'll find; and if they try to convert anybody to anything, it's to an attitude of peace and tolerance (No wonder the Puritans didn't like them, eh?). In fact, they were so far ahead of their time that they were the first denomination to completely abolish slavery within their own ranks. I'm not trying to convert anyone to Quakerism by saying this; I just want to make sure no one thinks they were fundamentalists or wannabe martyrs. They were liberal pacifists who were *willing* to be martyred as a testimony against religious persecution.
The Quakers are a deeply immoral group who, ironically, have given the world one good thing: Captain Samuel Nicholas, the founder and first Commandant of the United States Marine Corps, was a Quaker. I hope that sticks in their craw quite hard that the world's finest military force was founded by a member of their ridiculous pacifist group. Pacifism is immoral, full stop. Violence is often the best (and only) answer to evil, and those who refuse to do violence under any circumstance are foreclosed from being good people. If you are a practicing Quaker, you are a moral midget.
@@grannysweet not sure if it'll let me post a link, so if you dont see another comment below this literally all I did was look up "bible how to treat heretics" and theres quite a few segments from both testaments.
NedryOS The New Testament verses on it tell you to not greet them or receive them in your home and that they will not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. All the killing is OT which is not the Christian law anymore. It is there to learn the history of & to see the prophets’ words fulfilled.
Looking back it's pretty fantastic how the Pilgrims were always made out to be this pious, brave group that were only looking for religious freedom in school, and how much of their history was left out.
He did not mention that Mary's husband William was a leader in Rhode Island with Roger Williams or that one of her sons was the Governor of anther colony here and that they went to Boston to stop the first hanging. When they left Boston the first time the Dyers made their home in Newport where they raised their family before Mary went to England and became a Quaker.
Yes, those EVIL Quakers and their talk of "The Inner Light." They also won't use titles or doff their hats! How dare they! /s www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/85kdp3/why_were_quakers_hated_so_much/
The pilgrims arrived in that area first, having escaped religious prosecution from the Church of England as being heretics and were called separatists by that church. They ended up first fleeing, to...I think... it was the Netherlands. (It's been some years since I read a very detailed history of all of this). Then some years later they moved on to America in the Mayflower. About 15 years later, the Puritans had arrived...they still considered their selves as members of the Church of England, but felt that the church hadn't done enough to rid itself of Catholic influences. The two groups immediately hated each other and when the Quakers came, both hated them, it was so bad that most Quakers ended up in Rhode Island to escape the religious persecutions from the pilgrims and the puritans.
You make it sound like The Salem Witch hunts when you say the word heretic! A witch Mary was not! She was a VERY OUT SPOKEN WOMAN! The men leaders of the community didnt like that! To say she was hung because of her Quaker beliefs is very opionated. Differet religions have different beliefs
@@KevinGSmith-mi8js WTF....show me where in my post I ever claimed that Mary was called a witch! ??? NO... I SAID that in England...the Church of England considered them heretics due to them not following the dictates of the Church of England. And for that matter most of Europe considered the Church of England as heretics for turning away from the Catholic faith. All 3 groups in the America, The Pilgrims (called Separatists in England) , the Puritans and the Quakers were considered heretics due to not following all the rules of The Church of England. And for the most part, all 3 groups looked at each other as heretics...but the Separatists and the Puritans...still held beliefs that had more in common with each other and the Church of England. The Quakers, on the other hand...held much different beliefs and they were targeted by the other 2 religious communities in America at that time. This is just 1 small blurb from a Google search about it. I also know that if a ships captain was found to have brought Any Quaker to the new world, that in Boston, at least..there were heavy fines on the captain for doing so. -------------------------------------------- The Puritan persecution of Quakers continued, with beatings, fines, whippings, imprisonment, and mutilation. Many were expelled from the colony, only to return again to bear witness to what they believed. One of them, 60-year-old Elizabeth Hooten, returned to Boston at least five times. ---------------------------------------------
Even as a genealogist with a Religious Studies degree, I hadn't heard of these outrages. Meanwhile, my lineal ancestors Obadiah Holmes and Chad Brown started the Baptist church, after which, the prior was publicly whipped in MA for coming to minister to a sick parishioner who lived there, rather than Rhode Island.
Have you heard about Anne Hutchinson? She was a sort of Puritan heretic (because she dared to speak against her preacher - and preach on her own!) who suffered a lot of the same persecutions as Mary Dyer. She also gave a rip-roaring testament against her judges during her trial for heresy! Fascinating woman, and incredibly brave.
So the woman is about to be hanged and they are upset because she's holding 2 guys hands who are also about to be hanged? The saddest part is that this type of ignorance is still prevalent in many places.
It wasn't that Quakers had their own flavor of Christianity, it was that the Puritans weren't Christians at all. They rejected the single most important doctrine of Christianity, salvation but grace, not by works.
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Hie Simon, id jist like to know when do you rest? u hv jst uploaded about 5 videos in 2 day WOW👏👏👏
We need a video to cover a day in the life of Simon Whistler. Just to see what he does, other than magically post videos all day.
Like, is he really a person, or a damn good robot that someone gave emotions to?
Little known fact, the Whistler 2000 doesn't even come with emotions. You have to pay extra for that, so we just got the base model. You can go check out Business Blaze to see the latest Whistler 3000 though, which comes with the emotion chip even in the base model. It wasn't out yet though when we started this channel. -Daven
Today I Found Out yeah the 3000 does get ‘emocell’ and quite excited too.its a marvel to witness such almost human attributes i must say.
@@TodayIFoundOut okay, I thought they were the same model.
Which model number is the producer?
I don't really know what kind of a person this lady was.
But boy, she was a bloody brave woman.
I pray that I might be able to serve God as well as Mary Dyer faithfully did.
This story would make a good movie.
@@RaeMachiavelli Nah, a movie has to have a happy ending
Evetchen Brown She was stupid.
She was not brave she was stupid any death over religion is stupid all they had to do was leave stop praising morons
The Puritans were like: I reject your religious persecution, and substitute my own
Lol
Omg yes!!!
hahaha
Welcome to every single religion, except for like the monk shit
There is no freedom of religion without freedom from religion.
And what does this teach us? Religion should never have a hand in laws and regulations.
Except that the prevailing religious or philosophical/moral views (if you prefer) are what define the culture, and culture is what influences law. So you are asking for the impossible. You can say atheism but even that is a religious belief.
4Curses And that is why it is Seperate in American Laws,,,, saying a Prayer before a meeting etc., does not affect the Laws here.
@@beverlybalius9303 that is very incorrect, you must swear on a king james bible in court, "in God we trust" is on the legal tender, and the constitution includes the inalieable rights given by God. Religion built American justice.
@@steakslapn9724 nope, the founders deliberately left out all references to God, Jesus, Christianity in the founding documents because they were attempting to do something that violated religious beliefs of the time - to declare that royalty are not ruling by divine right and human beings have the right to govern themselves. In Europe this was scandalous because it was assumed that royalty were divine, and they were protected by the churches who gained political and monetary benefits from this arrangement. This also helped keep control of the common people. Our forefathers were raised and worked during the age of enlightenment, a time of science, invention, discovery and a questioning of the theocracy of the day. They believed in a creator, but their creator did not actively interfere in the affairs of mankind. It was a very interesting time.
@@juliathelittle7007 actually it is the LACK of any religious belief, therefore not religious at all.
No one expects the American Inquisition
Underated comment gold
Bring out... THE COMFY SOFAS! (not quite chairs)
It wasn't American, It was a British colony. 🙄🙄
She was definitely determined to die. She was a Dyer, after all, and took that very seriously.
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@Mr Lesir Felt a bit bad for saying it, but the pun was just too tempting haha
@@jackandblaze5956 ✋ Yeah bro haha
Brendan Lawrence, Oh God! She was happy to die just to get away from puns like that!
It looked like Mary Dyer had her convictions.... mixed in with some survivor's guilt.
As a bonus fact why didn’t point out that mary dryer is one of the only women with a statue dedicated to her at the Boston State House on the state house line along with greats like JFK
@Cynthia "...mary dryer is one of the only women..." This video is about Mary Dyer, not the "mary dryer" to whom you allude. I vaguely recall reading about Mary Dryer. Did she invent hair dryer or clothes dryer?
L Lawliet Don’t you just hate it when the spellchecker changes what you have typed?
@@LilyAmongThorns You mean Autocorrect? It's the most worn out excuse, and Cynthia is above making it; do not make it for her!
You women are no happy ...who cares about having a statue it's her life that matters
@@Lawliet734 Your not that bright
Simon, you should know better!
The Puritans didn't flee England to escape religious persecution. They were kicked out to keep THEM from persecuting EVERYONE ELSE!
Religion strikes again!
This! Ugh Americans drive me daft with that escaping persecution line, the Puritans did very well in disguising the truth
@FIDIRONU where do you want to send them? Antarctica?
@FIDIRONU : You would have felt right at home with the Puritans.
This sort of BS is exactly WHY the Puritans were kicked out of England.
@FIDIRONU : Gee, what an intelligent and well-reasoned response, I can see why ABSOLUTELY NO ONE takes you seriously.
"This is no more than what thou saidst before"
Damn, yo.
You might just be a religious fanatic if you find Quakers somehow morally lacking🧐
Did you know that Richard Nixon was a Quaker?
12 8 19 Hey@@timan2039, You mean that guy that kept on proclaiming he wasn't a "crook"? Yes, I did. Be well. v
Or you might be a reasonable person who finds extreme pacifism deeply immoral. Violence is the solution to evil in many, many cases, and a world run by Quakers would soon be in the hands of the worst dictators one could imagine.
Ti Man Yeah, I knew that. Didn’t see much evidence of Quakerism in him. My mother worked in the chemistry department of a university during the Vietnam War. Her boss was a Quaker, who was very much against the war,.... BUT all of his grants were from the Defense Department because he designed the latest jet fuels. Quite the contradiction. I went to his house once as a kid. Saw my first woman’s breast, when his wife whipped her breast out to breast feed an infant. I went back into his preteen boys bedroom, & they had a chest full of Playboy & Penthouse magazines, & their curtains were white with digital black printouts of female nudes. I went to his office at the university, & he had a nude centerfold calendar in direct view of the public, including students & fellow employees. I remember sexist banter from him, Mad Men style, yet he was also this Quaker peacenik, who just happened to work making jet fuel for the Defense Department during a contentious war. He was quite a character. I traded a turtle I had for a black kitten. Duffy. Had her 7 years. It was a wild time. I remember student protests on campus, particularly one where black students were protesting some unjust disparities. It felt like you were living in history as it was happening
@@MrEvanfriend Except if the world was run by Quakers, all the aspiring dictators would be Quakers too.
Another example of how the English loved it that the Puritan religious fanatics were leaving their isles to the New World.
When the Quaker sect of pacifists arrived, they too discovered that the Puritans aggressively ignored Jesus' gospel messages to not be judgemental and to love everyone as His primary commandment.
Luke 6:37 “Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven;
Matthew 22:37-39 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
Not to mention the 6th Commandment "Thou shall not kill"
@@rogerhinman5427 Yeah there's that. Plus, murdering Christian pacifists is a special level of evil that's right up the alley of the homicidal Puritans. Look at what those psychotics did with Oliver Cromwell during and after the English Civil War (the anti-Catholic pogroms in Scotland and Ireland for starters).
Bat Guano Cromwell did not approve of the religious sects but he did follow orders. He is a similar character to Rommel, both honourable men in bad times with bad leaders.
@@rogerhinman5427 The Puritans were an example of fanatics concentrating on a few fringe details of Bible scripture (commands against witchcraft and heresy) while ignoring the main gospel message of love, charity, humbleness, empathy, compassion and forgiveness. Depressing to see how easy it is to rally people to commit evil things (discrimination, persecution and murder for out-group people), but so hard to get them to do good and generous things for others.
@@requited2568 what? Oliver Cromwell was absolutely a puritan. His grandfather, Thomas Cromwell was a cunning and smooth political operator
True story: during my first term as a student at Harvard University's divinity school (in Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA), one of my instructors recounted Mary Dyer's story in class, and said that it was to the credit of Massachusetts that its leaders realized in later generations that her persecution and execution were mistakes, and that they honored her memory with the statue in front of the state house. In other words, at the university that was founded to train Puritan clergy for the Massachusetts Bay Colony, they had revised the curriculum somewhat.
History is being re written because of the EVIL! that is trying to destroy us!
She had eight children. 6 lived to adulthood and married. Many notable descendents. One is a Rhode Island senator. Remarkable life really and managed to leave behind a legacy. Her own husband never became a Quaker, and only two children are known to have become Quakers.
Being raised a Quaker, this story held great interest to me. Thanks for sharing this.
Erm, I don't think a woman could give birth to the baby that guy "described" and live.
Clearly she had previously sold her soul to the devil. :-) -Daven
@@TodayIFoundOut Did they at least test if she weighed the same as a duck, though?!
Barbara Bush obviously did!! More than once!!
@@MandleRoss 'tis a fair court.
@@Knight_Astolfo She actually said "It's a fair cop.", a British expression meaning someone was fairly accused of something, usually an admittance of guilt if the accused says it.
The Pythons used this line in the TV show pretty much every time a character was arrested or accused of something.
"Today I Found Out." LOL
Her actual last words were not recorded though...."On the whole, I'd rather be in Philadelphia."
Or " I knew I shoulda took a left turn at Albuquerque".
Yes, she was an ancestor of WC Fields.
a firm bold courageous stand by this woman and the other Quakers.
Thank you for making this video! I've been working on a story for years now that is heavily inspired by other stories I'm deeply attached to, but that I have also been struggling to work on due to every life interrupting. I also have frequent bouts of self doubt that creep up to further delay my progress. This video has been a beautiful lift to my confidence towards making my story and I can not thank you enough!
I love Mary Dyer, bless her soul! Thanks for this!!
love everyone
Why must the Road To Enlightenment always have a trail of blood following behind it?
Sigh.💔
Those that really dislike change such as religious fundamentalist are all to willing to kill to prevent the spread of knowledge.
Those who demand others conform to their own morality rarley have morality themself.
Because Christians are always persecuted and have to defend themselves. The devil hates anyone who accepts Christ and will wage war continuously.
@DrMossydog Because then, and now, fools don't understand a thing about religion.
@DrMossydog _It would be cool to be God. If you're bored, you split off into a couple other cool Gods. You can split off into the Holy Ghost and watch yourself scare kids or split off into Jesus and play all the games that exists, with someone that would never cheat._
Monty Python would have NAILED this as a skit.
Where was the closed captioning for this one? I have a disability but still like reading your videos.
Jonathan Hubbs so do I John I hope they put it back in my name is Charles God bless brother
Sometimes it takes a day or two for the auto captions to generate. I look for them as well. Hopefully soon!
I don't see autocaptioning still. Ugh.
They probably should have just stuck to making oatmeal.
They retired to making oatmeal after this.
Oatmeal is Quaker Oats not Puritan Oats!
The Puritans made Quaker Oats making fun of Quakers
Found out a few years ago when my dad did a family tree that Mary Dyer is one of my great-great etc Grandmother's. Pretty fascinating.
When will people stop saying Puritans left England to escape religious persecution rather than, as the evidence shows, that they left England because they were no longer allowed to persecute others and sought a place where they could reinstitute that persecution.
These were the "Judeo-Christian values" that our founder fathers were trying to avoid when they established a religiously neutral secular government.
The Quakers were despised by the Puritans largely because their Christian vision was much more closely aligned with founder Jesus of Nazareth -namely 'love your enemies'. The Puritans simply could not abide such heresy, and so they sought to destroy them.
THANK YOU for pointing that out. I worshiped with the Quakers for several years, and they're liberal pacifists. The Puritans *claimed* to be following Jesus' teachings, but they were hypocrites. The Quakers *lived* Jesus' teachings and got killed for it.
@@Karin_Allen I have always admired the tenets of the Friends. I'm glad you are pleased by my comment. Peace.
@@debrac3391 And peace to you!
This is one of my top three channels
They escaped religious persecution only to be persecuted by the ones who wanted religious freedom. Evey day since then, everyone has been judged according to THEIR standards. Believe what they say or else!
This is part of why the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution was written.
You're not budget VSauce, you're upper crust VSauce...the accent gets an A+ every time.😎
Vsauce is budget vsauce
Vsauce is pretty much dead.
According to my genealogy-loving Mom, I am descended from Mary Dyer. There are worse people to have in your family tree. :)
That's very cool!
Hi family! Me, too!
Mary Dyer is my 10X Great Grandmother! Related to my moms side of my grandmother's family! ALSO VERY PROUD! To be part of a VERY LARGE VETERAN FAMILY!
very cool ancestor.
It looks like i had Quaker ancestors in Pennsylvania in the 1700, but no one so well known for facing injustice without fear, the way Mary Dyer did.
@@user-qs7by5nm1g think she is mine as well but I don't know how many greats. I have Dyers on my moms side all the way back. In the process of trying to learn more.
//goes to america for religious freedom
//tries to deny others there their religious freedom
Ah yes, the sweet hypocrisy that is a fundamental pillar of our proud nation.
They were persecuted in England only for being utterly intolerant of all other religions. They came to the Colonies so they could establish their own little spot where they didn't have to put up with anyone else.
Love the videos from this channel
Cruelty under law should be banished. Unfortunately we live in a world where only those who can afford competent lawyers can afford justice.
As a minor addendum, This *might* have something to do with the founding shortly after, in 1682, of Pennsylvania. which championed religious freedom from the beginning. Though Penn was a Quaker, all faiths were welcomed & allowed to settle. Thus the area historically has had a broad mix of faiths including judaism, the Anabaptists (Amish & Mennonite), Lutheran, Presbyterian, Catholic etc. A piece of trivia: The Mason-Dixon line (Pennsylvania's southern border) has a very specific radius cut out along its eastern section; It was to keep those nasty Quakers away from the god-fearing Catholics in Wilmington. As I recall, it was 15 miles from the major church's steeple
What a charming story of Christian good will and brotherhood. Jesus would have been proud! {holding up my sarcasm sign}
And then the Mennonites arrived...
Henryk Gödel it’s easier to excuse atrocities when your invisible friend tells you to do it. Additionally, very little of western culture is atheist in nature.
Mary Dyer was my 8X GG. I recently found this out and was shocked!
Well I'll be hanged- whoops, sorry about that. :)
X doubt
It would have been awesome if you found out... TODAY!
You had 512 8X great grandmothers... so congratulations... but then again... :-)
awesome! To be related to someone so noteworthy in history.
I'm usually happy to see the story of puritans, Quakers, and Mary Dyer repeated. But also struck by how much is distorted by "popular history." Radical puritans came to New England to establish their own society wherein they could practice their religion as they saw fit. They weren't happy when outsiders (antinomians, Baptists, Quakers, and others) arrived, determined to overthrow their religious and civil order. If interested in a balanced telling of Mary Dyer's story, see Winsser, Mary and William Dyer, Quaker Light and Puritan Ambition.
Fascinating voices from the past. I'm one of her descendants so this is hearing the words of my many times great grandmother.
Wow, I can't believe I haven't heard this story before. Maybe I did briefly in 5th grade, but it is incredible how brave this lady was. Her sacrifice almost single-handedly stopped the lynching of Quakers. That's incredible.
NOT lynching. Lynching is without a trial - she had a trial.
Hence the second ammendment, friends. The great equalizer can speak louder than any human words ever could.
Free grace is the truth, good works count for nothing. Saying your good works get you into heaven takes the glory from God and ascribes it to you and that God cannot abide. Through the grace of God he gives the gift of salvation through faith in Christ.
Holy Christ!
Ears cut off in the name of God!?!
I must have missed that scripture in the New Testament.
I think I remember Peter doing that in Gethsemane, and Jesus told him he who lives by the sword dies by the sword.
Quinntus79 ~ yeah, but that was The Dude saying DON’T cut off ears and here (or hear ~ as the case may be) are these twisted bastards doing it in the name of God.
I don’t care what someone’s faith is but if a person’s going to say, “I believe in Jesus” then do what He says, not what you think you ought.
I pisses me off. The Christians used to hate the Jews because ‘they killed Jesus’. But then they run around defying the very words they claim to believe.
Jesus used to call some of the hypocrites “Brood of Vipers” that was a massive insult, akin to someone calling you a “Son of a whore”. I think he’d use similar terminology on these dudes.
Yet you can’t find a Puritan anymore, but we still have Quakers.
Hey hey! Blood descendant of Mary Dyer here, wow, did not expect you to know about her!!!!
Mary Dyer is an ancestor of mine and I couldn't be more proud of that.
Mine, as well
@@Therealhtrinity That's amazing!
Yes, it is! I am related through the Braytons, as well.
I am learning so much about my courageous ancestors.
I am on 23andme are you?
@@Therealhtrinity I'm not. I did Ancestry but 23andme is next.
"Rare photo of actual event" I was expecting a story about an early historic photo, instead I guess it was a clickbait joke. You're better than that...
I agree, that was lame.
Harman Robotics truefff!!!
It was an obvious joke. Not really click bait it was sarcasm
Not obvious to me, I had no clue who Mary Dyer was or when she lived.
2009Bowiefan neither did I.
But it was still presented as a joke with the sarcastic (probably) underneath the title.
So whether you got it or not, it’s not click baiting
Love how these things go.
People get attacked and imprisoned for having a different faith as its seen as the devil's work and as causing disruption.
"I'm really fed up with being persecuted for my choice in faith, it's not fair or right!"
Move to a new country where you can practice your faith however you wish.
Enjoy new freedoms.
"This is cool! I can now freely practice my faith without fear of persecution. It's exactly how it should be. Hmmm what's that person over there saying?"
Realise that people who don't think and worship how you do have also decided to move to try and find those same freedoms.
"Well, we're not having that. How dare they think it's OK to spread their rubbish. It must be the work of the devil."
Persecute new group and act exactly how those who'd driven you out of your home country had.
I love your last couple thumbnails.
Did he paint them XD
They glossed over all this when I was a school boy some 55 years ago. Didnt't quite fit the narrative they were after I suppose.
I fear it's still written in American history books that the Pilgrims left to the New World to "avoid religious persecution." The Netherlands were, at the time, one of the most religiously tolerant nations in Europe. The Pilgrims didn't want religious freedom; they wanted to live in a place where Puritanism was the only faith.
@@PSquared-oo7vq The Pilgrims were actually Separatists. Subtle difference, but a difference none the less.
Pilgrims, Puritans, and Separatists (Calvinist Settlers in Colonial New England)
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Quakers are different from The Calvinists
The Quakers: A Brief History (Religious Society of Friends)
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What a hussy holding hands in public and with a man she's not married to no less
I bet she was flashing her ankles at random men. She seems like the type.
*Faints*
And there's modern countries where it can still get you dead. At the very least suffer lashes.
Brilliant thumbnail! How could I not click?
"Mary Dyer, did hang as a flag - for others to take example by..." The second movement in Ned Rorem's 1976 Organ book: "A Quaker Reader"
These videos have loads of offshoots and tangents that could lead into new videos. Like one on the Antinomian Controversy for instance. That would be a good one, I think.
It's how we come up with a huge number of topics. :-) You come across a lot of interesting things while researching other interesting things. :-) -Daven
After all of this they still offered us the sacred oats.
Williams gift to the undeserving
Mary was a badass! Judge says she's gonna be hanged & she replies "That's what you said last time, asshole!" They say her blood is on her hands & she says "Um, no, it's on your hands since you're literally killing me for walking around."
Opening line: "Although the Puritans came to America to escape religious persecution......." Hold it right there. They came to persecute. Europe was too tolerant for their liking.
But don't forget that in the same time frame there were other colonies, like Jamestown (Anglicans were the majority), where such nut jobs like the Puritans didn't rule. I learned something today. Thanks.
The "persecution" the puritans in Britain was that they were not allowed to persecute other religious groups. So this just seems like what they would do.
Mr. Sins: “They’d be banished again and again, but the quakers kept on coming back.”
Me an intellectual: *Quakers gonna Quake*
Histories first "vibe check" it seems didn't go well for the checkers.
That friendio writing about what the infant looked like even lied to his own journal. Yikes. Guess it was to help keep his story straight.
Mary Dyer was my 9th Great-Grandma. I wish I was as brave as she was. ❤
Very good. I never knew about this. Thanks.
I was raised as a Quaker, I’ve never heard this story.
There's some pretty intriguing Quaker history.
If you didn't know; now you know.
❤ Mary Dyer is my 7th great grandmother on my mother's side from my Grandmother Clara Dyre
The irony of the last name "Dyer".
Anyone have Puritan's Pride food next to Quaker Oats in your cupboards? (They are fighting each other when you close the doors)
She's my ancestor.
Two other people commented the same thing
Simon, I worshiped with the Quakers for several years, and I'd like to clear up a possible misunderstanding in your story. You presented Mary Dyer in a very truthful way, and her words speak for themselves. But early in the video, I felt like you made the Quakers sound evangelistic in the way that most fundamentalist groups today are evangelistic. Actually, Quakers are one of the most liberal Christian groups you'll find; and if they try to convert anybody to anything, it's to an attitude of peace and tolerance (No wonder the Puritans didn't like them, eh?). In fact, they were so far ahead of their time that they were the first denomination to completely abolish slavery within their own ranks.
I'm not trying to convert anyone to Quakerism by saying this; I just want to make sure no one thinks they were fundamentalists or wannabe martyrs. They were liberal pacifists who were *willing* to be martyred as a testimony against religious persecution.
The Quakers are a deeply immoral group who, ironically, have given the world one good thing: Captain Samuel Nicholas, the founder and first Commandant of the United States Marine Corps, was a Quaker. I hope that sticks in their craw quite hard that the world's finest military force was founded by a member of their ridiculous pacifist group.
Pacifism is immoral, full stop. Violence is often the best (and only) answer to evil, and those who refuse to do violence under any circumstance are foreclosed from being good people. If you are a practicing Quaker, you are a moral midget.
"Liberal Christians" = 2 strikes
Oh, the christianity and its many flavours of loving thy neighbour.
The loophole is the scriptures say heretics are not people so they can't be counted as neighbors or for any other commandment or rule.
@@TheGreatPurpleFerret 🤣🤣🤣show text. Which scriptures and where is this chapter or text? Thank you.
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@@grannysweet not sure if it'll let me post a link, so if you dont see another comment below this literally all I did was look up "bible how to treat heretics" and theres quite a few segments from both testaments.
NedryOS The New Testament verses on it tell you to not greet them or receive them in your home and that they will not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. All the killing is OT which is not the Christian law anymore. It is there to learn the history of & to see the prophets’ words fulfilled.
@@TheGreatPurpleFerret If you really want to repress someone, you can find compelling arguments for it even in a bowl of alphabet soup.
Imagine giving birth to a still born baby and having folks dig it up and write about!
how simon says "kibosh" ...love it!
Looking back it's pretty fantastic how the Pilgrims were always made out to be this pious, brave group that were only looking for religious freedom in school, and how much of their history was left out.
These puritans would be really pisssed off with all the Irish Catholics that are there now
Its what they deserved im sure they just love the afterlife now thought i wonder how hot it is
Works without grace are fruitless. Grace without works is empty. Grace is obtained by faith, but may be lost by works.
I'm an easy man, I see blood I click.
The news media agrees: "If it bleeds, it leads.
Bread and circus; the Romans were correct.
"what is this, budget vsauce?"- pewdiepie 9/12/19
He did not mention that Mary's husband William was a leader in Rhode Island with Roger Williams or that one of her sons was the Governor of anther colony here and that they went to Boston to stop the first hanging. When they left Boston the first time the Dyers made their home in Newport where they raised their family before Mary went to England and became a Quaker.
Thank you for your videos, budget vsauce :)
Simon you should do a video on wtf was up with the English Civil Wars 1640-1660
What is that music that can always be barely heard in the background of your videos? Almost as if imagined. But definitely coming from the video.
Sometimes sounds like wind chimes.
I remember this in detail from fourth grade.
Hey thanks for the history lesson mate
Mary Dyer's speech sounds like Joan of Arc's speech in St Joan.
yes i just learned that she was my great grandmother her and william and anne hutchinson are my great grandparents
Son: mom, dad I have something I need to tell you.
Dad: what is it son
Son: I'm a Quaker
Dad: oh god where did we go wrong
Yes, those EVIL Quakers and their talk of "The Inner Light." They also won't use titles or doff their hats! How dare they! /s
www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/85kdp3/why_were_quakers_hated_so_much/
The pilgrims arrived in that area first, having escaped religious prosecution from the Church of England as being heretics and were called separatists by that church. They ended up first fleeing, to...I think... it was the Netherlands. (It's been some years since I read a very detailed history of all of this). Then some years later they moved on to America in the Mayflower. About 15 years later, the Puritans had arrived...they still considered their selves as members of the Church of England, but felt that the church hadn't done enough to rid itself of Catholic influences. The two groups immediately hated each other and when the Quakers came, both hated them, it was so bad that most Quakers ended up in Rhode Island to escape the religious persecutions from the pilgrims and the puritans.
You make it sound like The Salem Witch hunts when you say the word heretic! A witch Mary was not! She was a VERY OUT SPOKEN WOMAN! The men leaders of the community didnt like that! To say she was hung because of her Quaker beliefs is very opionated. Differet religions have different beliefs
@@KevinGSmith-mi8js WTF....show me where in my post I ever claimed that Mary was called a witch! ???
NO... I SAID that in England...the Church of England considered them heretics due to them not following the dictates of the Church of England. And for that matter most of Europe considered the Church of England as heretics for turning away from the Catholic faith.
All 3 groups in the America, The Pilgrims (called Separatists in England) , the Puritans and the Quakers were considered heretics due to not following all the rules of The Church of England.
And for the most part, all 3 groups looked at each other as heretics...but the Separatists and the Puritans...still held beliefs that had more in common with each other and the Church of England.
The Quakers, on the other hand...held much different beliefs and they were targeted by the other 2 religious communities in America at that time.
This is just 1 small blurb from a Google search about it. I also know that if a ships captain was found to have brought Any Quaker to the new world, that in Boston, at least..there were heavy fines on the captain for doing so.
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The Puritan persecution of Quakers continued, with beatings, fines, whippings, imprisonment, and mutilation. Many were expelled from the colony, only to return again to bear witness to what they believed. One of them, 60-year-old Elizabeth Hooten, returned to Boston at least five times.
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Even as a genealogist with a Religious Studies degree, I hadn't heard of these outrages. Meanwhile, my lineal ancestors Obadiah Holmes and Chad Brown started the Baptist church, after which, the prior was publicly whipped in MA for coming to minister to a sick parishioner who lived there, rather than Rhode Island.
Have you heard about Anne Hutchinson? She was a sort of Puritan heretic (because she dared to speak against her preacher - and preach on her own!) who suffered a lot of the same persecutions as Mary Dyer. She also gave a rip-roaring testament against her judges during her trial for heresy! Fascinating woman, and incredibly brave.
Please don’t start doing the click-bait “I’m so shocked face” in the thumbnail. This channel is so much better than that
That was a Dyer outcome
Pewdiepie doesn't know what he's missing
Zerofever shit?
This would make a great movie.
So the woman is about to be hanged and they are upset because she's holding 2 guys hands who are also about to be hanged? The saddest part is that this type of ignorance is still prevalent in many places.
They fled religious tolerance, not religious persecutions.
Wow, people were really against that oatmeal back then.
All because cereal wasn't invented yet and people _still_ act like this
Thank goodness we have learned from history and religious intolerance no longer exists.
Considering what the Puritans got up to back in England, I'd wager that Charles II let the Americans off very lightly.
It wasn't that Quakers had their own flavor of Christianity, it was that the Puritans weren't Christians at all. They rejected the single most important doctrine of Christianity, salvation but grace, not by works.