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As the lithum battery manufacturer，I've talked about Sodium battery with my colleagues and we have many ideas about it. For the one hand , the sodium ion batteries has a very low price And sodium is very easy to achieve, also it has very fast Charge speed. For another hand ,the sodium ion batteries has two big disadvantages, The laboratories doesn't find out both affordable and safe and efficiency nagetive material, Meanwhile it needs much more even Twice Volume than the lithiumbattery to Provide THE SAME power.( I feel so Sorry for my broken English😥😥 ). Maybe you should know that the scientists began to experiment on the two batteries at the same time. However, the Sodium battery perform Not very well for it's negative material. And the scientists cannot find A very very perfect one until today.😥 To put it into a nutshell, I think for its Affordable price and it's so achievable,WITHTHE development of the technology, Sodium battery will definitely play a very, very important role in the future battery industry. At the same time,it can never be as powerful as lithium battery(BECAUSE Li is before Na in the periodic table of ele ments) The lithium and sodium hybrid battery may come first in the future.🧐🧐( I'm not sure whether I express what i think😥 cause English is not my mother language ) I will appreciate it If you have different ideas😆😆 Heated discussion will make theBATTERY industry much more better.
Thanks, and I have a question about the "Child Labor" --> Is it mostly true ? Or is it 1 case of child labor out of 1000 perfectly fine Lithium "mine" ? ---> So can Sodium Batteries have a better human-right value ? Or was it all an exageration from the medias ?
The primary issue is that the ion charge emitter side will degrade due to the larger ion size leading to reduced current capacity. The problem could be avoided by adding metal to the carbon intercallation media and using an extremely porus form of carbon. As for the acceptor side it is more problematic because the larger Na ions will bind more strongly to the CuCoOx based acceptor material. It can be traded for iron, particularly as copper 1 ferricyanide complexes. The penalty will be a bit lower voltage 2.7 to 3.3v and lower capacity per volume. It would have a higher current capacity due to the conductance imparted by the copper being an intrinsic part of the composition. 🤓
@@1Eagler Absolutely. Do you care about the size and weight of your AC unit once it's installed? It's a brick like any other on your property that you largely forget about :)
As an individual I don't mind 50% lower energy density or 2X the weight for 7X lower cost and faster recharge speed. I do prefer small devices like phones to last at least 3 days between charges and I like batteries with a long overall lifespan preferably at least 7 years before the battery capacity drops to annoyingly low levels. I definitely get really frustrated when an old battery has to be recharged multiple times in a day. I'm also definitely unhappy that newer phones and laptops do not have replaceable batteries, and I also do not like pouch cells in general, simply adding an air exchange port to pouch cells so they don't inflate would make a huge difference but overall they're just a really bad battery design in general.
I must say, while I am intrigued by the idea, the "next new battery!!!11" has been just around the corner for decades. I'll believe it when I own them.
I kind of agree but it's because most of these new technologies are from startup businesses, CATL are one of the biggest most successful battery manufacturers with a proven track record so you can put a bit more trust in it.
Doesn't matter. its foolish to think that a cheaper battery is going to make a cheaper car. You do know it just don't work that way right. You remember USA automakers moved all their car production out of the states to control pricing and be more completive. Well now they cost 3 times as much and are even worse quality. That's how it really works.
Well no actually, the Tesla Model 3/Y RWD is much cheaper than their other models because they use the cheaper LFP battery. EV batteries make up 40% of the cost of the car, so cheaper batteries certainly means cheaper EVs. Plus the main advantage of Sodium-Ion batteries is cost, they would fall well behind Lithium-Ion batteries in terms of range and performance, so the only reason why you would even use this technology is so you can offer the low-end EVs at even cheaper prices.
I'm designing an off-grid solar supply for a remote radio installation. Weight and size are not an issue, but I need to be able to charge the batteries below freezing, which lithium can't do. This looks like it has great potential in my application.
Good luck, but I don't believe in solar or wind. I do support nuclear how ever. My better half has radio equiptment, and still use lead acid batteries for his system. Still going strong for the past 8 years with the same battery pack, with two backup systems on top of the first. Solar doesn't work too well when you have 5 days of clouds or rain. Sadly, but have fun with what your trying to do.
Paul Plack Well, this precisely might be the thing that Indians are looking for, in use at Himalayan heights (more than a mile in altitude)perpetually covered in snow irrespective of season, at latitudes 28º to 36º N - all tailor made.
When the speaker writes $757 and pronounces it "five thousand fifty dollars" at 2:55, then repeatedly says CALT instead of CATL, there isn't enough credibility left to continue watching.
Heard about the two guys that went into a shop, one stole batteries and the other stole fireworks. When caught the police said that they charged one man and let the other off 😋
Sodium ion batteries can only reduce 20-30% cost at the moment, not 700% cheaper. There are other factors in the cost that limit the savings besides this one material. The supply chain is also not ready to support this big change in production method. It’s going to be several years away before we see this type of battery in any significant volume.
Egsactly, the built-up production capacities and accumulated knowledge will maintain lithium's right to exist for quite a few more years. It has been known until now that sodium may have a great future. Just read the CATL website.
If you are talking about the Chinese, I do not think they have an imaginary ability to strengthen supply chains. Ask Bill Gates why he has not counted from China yet, despite the drop in productivity to 50%.
@@abedmarachli7345 China is the only country right now that owns a complete supply chain for batteries. Everything from raw material mining to high-level battery assembly is done within a few hundred kilometers. They face much less supply chain issues than any other country despite being the cause of supply chain issues for the rest of the world.
Most of the video is trash. $15 for Sodium batteries is not something that's been proposed by CATL or realistic for any other company within a reasonable time frame.
Norwegian electric car Think City had a Zebra sodium-nickel battery as an option in 2007. It had the same capacity as Li-batteries, but a longer lifespan and worked at a high temperature
@@MrPoornakumar I dont give a shit. If ecars are better, its nice but to me, it ended up in a money wise plane crash, so I'm out. Diesel or Petrol for me
Combine sodium use with desalination plants use, and we'd have a seemingly endless supply of sodium and salt for many different things. Have the brine get deposited into the salt desert we already have naturally, so the ocean isn't destroyed by the brine.
I want to see this in home UPS / Solar applications. In vehicles, the mass and weight are more critical for drivability. At least finding where sodium can be used to ease the need of it in all markets to certain markets, is a good thing.
Very good point! If they are much cheaper, even with 4-5 times less capacity, they will still be perfect for stationary electrical storage, which by the way is also huge problem at the moment. Unfortunately I am watching similar videos for the past 2-3 years, yet I have never seen a new alternative to li-ion batteries in real life. I guess whoever starts production will get rich very quickly.
Anyone noticed the "CALT" VS "CATL" mistake at 47 seconds in??? lol However may the world be saved by this.... good luck.... Like so many good sensible inventions, will it actually happen, I hope so.
It might be anyway. Lithium batteries already can stress power grids. Faster charging would require even more careful planning to avoid so many being charged simultaneously. Smart grid tech could help with this as was intended to spread out the grid load over the coarse of a day.
I say its still important for cars at least. Gen 3 or 4 should correct for it though. Salt batteries for House and Grid storage - would benefit the most out of it for now - at least on gen 1 and 2.
@@uncrunch398 In theory you could just put a salt battery in front of the charging station/super cap to help lower that need much like they already put a Li one in font of it already.
BYD has plans to mass-produce sodium-ion batteries in 2023 as it aims to bring more affordable EVs with a reasonable range to market. Thanks for your comment
Battery weight is also a big factor with regards to power to weight ratios in automobiles. How do they stack up against lithium? Heavier batteries with less capacity won't be the answer for mobile applications, perhaps stationary though.
Yep, the current cost of home backup batteries is way too high. You really would like 30KWH, and that with inversion is running about $20K. It would be great if that drops to $3K.
Must be something about the language of the company name. It was named/listed as both CATL AND CALT throughout the presentation. The manufacturing building had CATL on it but people talking about it was saying CALT. Strange.
Aluminium-Graphene batteries, liquid metal batteries and sodium ion batteries are all competing for their respective markets. They may all have a use in the future. Exciting times.
Sodium ion batteries will end up in cheaper cars with short range. However, I see a much bigger application with stationary storage. It should revolutionise home battery storage. Imagine having a 30kwh home system for $3k. This potential become a grid size energy storage solution.
Australian researchers, working in conjunction with a global battery technology consortium, have developed a sodium-sulphur coin battery that has 4x the energy density of lithium ion. Hopefully, they’ll scale it and get it out to mass production within the next 5 years. That could really be a huge leap forward.
@@stefanweilhartner4415 LOL NO! BUT PLEASE EXPLAIN YOUR IGNORANT CLAIM! Dont forget to use musks 50c a KW charging cost! PLUS TELL ME HOW LONG DO THESE BATTERIES LAST (SINCE THEY HAVENT EVEN BEEN INVENTED YET! 🤦♂🤣)
Note: It's CATL not CALT, aldo issing LOTS of needed specifications and math. difference in Weight/WH and Volume/WH. Also you reduced the price of the entire battery by just the price change in Lithium/Sodium. There are a lot of other materials used in building a battery.
Your correction is not merely suggesting the author(s) don't give a hoot about spelling but undermine the good spellers here thinking that the chances of Tesla et al have been barking up the wrong battery chemistry.
@@calmorton4619 I can't really make heads or tails of your comment. The main point is that the given "price reductions" are laughably incomplete and obviously incorrect.
@@calmorton4619 there is actually not that much lithium in a lithium battery. if they come up with a good solid state one it likely will have higher lithium content.
With supercharging highly saturated and widely dispersed, 160Wh/Kg is all you will need. The challenge rests now in rollout of the super charging networks.
I follow the first commenter Dallen9 I too believe the sodium ion lithium ion swap is best done right away so that the concept is accepted and production can proceed. Be prepared this is a huge statement to make to Tesla and it can't be just a question it needs to be done directly and without question get out of lithium right away Elon.
@@daineramosquitco5816 tesla and catl are partners, they are aware, some say a new platform will be presented by tesla in March with a cost reduction of 50% compared with model 3/Y, this would probably help on that, also for stationary storage it would be a no Brainer. I wouldn't be surprised if most of production is already reserved for tesla...
@@rui518 Yeah, hopefully tesla cars start using sodium ion batteries.. so that there will be no more explosions ever again and that $46990 on the Tesla Model 3 SR+ becomes
EXACTLY what is needed. Here in Sydney Australia we have a massive problem with solar ,, yes we have a large amount of installed solar and nearly zero batteries. MASSIVE amount of power available when nobody is at home to be using it. It has got to such a bad issue that there is suggestions of actually charging money for solar panels that are supplying power to the grid during peak sun hours
It's the story of a company started by Carnegie Mellon University in 2008, and tens of millions of dollars.. After millions more and large government grants, it is sold to China in 2017. Low energy density was a big factor.
Numerous times during the video, the narrator refers to the company as CALT rather than as CATL. This even happens once in the subtitles. Not very professional.
It’s exciting times. My daughter is working on magnesium batteries as a grad student as are thousands of other colleges and companies. The biggest item is the charge cycle total …as she talks about it. Frankly it’s all lost on me but innovation is pretty cool.
While I'm all for advancements in battery tech like this - there are some current drawbacks not mentioned. 1) Sodium-ion batteries still use lithium, especially when used for EV's. Both CATL and BYD have mentioned this fact. It's less lithium, absolutely, but it's still required to increase energy density. and 2) charge cycles are 1/3 that of standard lithium ternary batteries. So, 1000 vs 3000 roughly. Not great either. All in all, lots to be hopeful for the future. But as it sits currently, still a bit of work to make these the super-cheap world saviour of energy storage.
Also, this narrative is not correct about reactivity of Sodium. It states it is "less flammable" than Lithium... Haha! Throw a chunk of sodium in water and compare the sam,e experiment with Lithium, side by side. I would say, car with sodium ion batteries will burn better when crashed.
Less charge cycles (still 10 years for normal driving) but low cost. Imagine if the battery pack was about the cost to manufacture as the transmission in a typical car. Ie - less range, but the same cost for the motors and batteries as a normal ICE setup. $25K for a basic EV, not $45K. When you need replacement, it's a simple 2-3K drop and go procedure if designed correctly. If it lasts 80-100K miles and costs 2-3K to replace, it's acceptable given how inexpensive EVs are to run. When lithium soars to $20-30K for a battery pack, it'll also be our only option unless you are super wealthy and can afford the fancy graphene batteries.
I have suggested to Elon before on a tweet that Canada would also be another great place to build a Gigafactory on the Great Lakes and be able to ship across Canada and outward down the St Lawrence. This Gigafactory could be producing much needed additional batteries for Tesla. A Semi Truck Line, Cybertrucks and other accessories including solar panels to charge these batteries could be built here. The truck market is huge across Canada and many of the raw resources are here to put into building batteries, etc. Drone ships like the ones used to catch the boosters and fairings for SpaceX could be used insink, linked with each other to transport large amounts of Tesla's throughout the area. The nice thing about shipping through water ways is that you are not congesting traffic. Shipping could be faster, cheaper and safer. Isn't it funny after they talked to Canadian political officials there is still nothing on the board to be built here in Canada ! I have many innovative business ideas I come up with regularly that can help existing situations, whether it be financially, physically, or through faster delivery procedures. Sometimes the ground breaking ideas just flow and flow into each other. I just had three more Amazing Ideas while I was writing this comment! Innovative people with integrity expect to be believed otherwise they let time prove them right!
@@kbedn1395 Sodium-Ion batteries are non-flammable, it's been proven. You can't compare throwing a raw piece of Sodium to a whole battery with different material compositions etc.
@@kbedn1395 Actually, the thermal runaway temperatures are about 100C less than Lithium-ion. This means that it's below the point where plastics and interior materials will catch fire. That's the real problem with Lithium-ion. It's a hugely hot brick that re-ignites the rest of the car's materials. So dumping water on it is like putting water on a tire fire. Loads of steam, not much else.
I believe Lithium Carb is about 570000 yuan ( time stamp 02:03 ) ( not dollars ) which equates to 84,000 dollars per ton. By the way the current spot price today for Lithium Carb is 75564 dollars per ton.
@@victorhopper6774 thanks for pointing that out V, I google searched it to get a better understanding. The power of learning through You Tube amazes me.
@ 0:44 I hope the company does better at making batteries than the announcer does at spelling the companies name, clearly shown on the building picture, And, to add to the hilarity, @ 7:20 , the captioning on the screen misspells it, even though the person being interviewed says it correctly.🤣🤣🤣
Sounds quite interesting When I heard about the sodium batteries, they had a bad habit of easily going up in flames due to internal short circuit. Hopefully they will soon be available in a cheap and safe version.
Sodium ion batteries have all the advantages like safety, cost, charging time and temperature. It's only downside is range. But if the charging time gets better, it will replace lithium ion. What people will do is mainly use it for city driving. If they go on long trips, they will have to make many stops
Do you drive your current ICE vehicle 300 miles between fill-ups, driving it until the thing is nearly out of gas every time? Of course you don't. It gets to 1/4 or so and you fill it it. Maybe 200 miles more most people and they go to a gas station. Even on road trips, you pull over when the thing needs it. Yet the idea that 200 miles range is garbage and we MUST put massive battery packs in our cars sticks in people's heads. I'm worn out and need a break after 200 miles. Get a coffee, maybe some lunch. What we need is a better charging network, same as gas stations.
They only have half the capacity of lithium, so they will have to be bigger to make it up, they weigh a lot more so the car will be much heavier and, crucially, they have low charge/discharge duty cycle life so they will have to be replaced much more often. Plus sodium is a lot more difficult to handle than lithium due to its habit of bursting into flames on exposure to oxygen or moisture.. Other than that - what can go wrong?
lol exactly its clear he bought out some old tech to save some money on production, as you mention several of the flaws with it already .... but he will save some money on the production line... and the consumers will pay for it with lower quality product
Sodium batteries will help with the supply demand problem of lithium. Energy storage mega packs seem like the perfect match for first generation, especially in Cold climates
Totally! Grid + House engery storage should be their main targets. Weight isnt a problem for applications and those applications REALLY need a TON of salt.
This is incredibly in accurate. Sodium-based batteries cannot fix energy density problems. Even if we were to somehow create a new technology with sodium-based batteries it takes years to commercialize an alternative technology. We don’t even have the proper supply chain for lithium batteries let alone an alternative technology, it will not be possible within a few years, if we’re lucky and they can fix energy density issues we might have sodium base batteries within 15 years
@@WupeViasco Doesnt fix, but it does improve. Sodium can in theory hold more power than Li once we have a better understanding. Let alone cheaper and more available. Instead of building everything in China like we are right now, we could start moving battery production closer to "Home (EU, US, CA, etc)". The problem with Li is the fact its only process in China and then ship around the world. Let alone mining the stuff currently does take a lot of resources too. By limiting the use - we remove a large cost to just getting these things out there. Fun fact, the process to get Li has a lot of sodium as a by-product. Over all - sodium will be the future. Even if its not as energy dense as li is right now. Its already in use and in production - so 15 years is out dated. It will just scale with what our needs are and what can afford the switch for now and that will be the biggest customer.
One thing neglected to be mentioned here is how does Na-ion compare with Li-ion in regards to physical weight? It'll affect range if more weight is needed to be moved.
@@eventhisidistaken Correct :) You notice this in many EVs in Europe, with a 50-60KwH pack. If it charges in 10 minutes and you fill it up every 150-200 miles, it's basically no different than your typical ICE truck or SUV. Most are lucky to get more than about 15 mpg combined and reasonable people fill up when it's around 1/4 of a tank. This idea that the car MUST have a range of 300-400 miles is absurd and is simply marketing by Elon in order for him to need to build LESS Superchargers nationwide for his EVs. That is, instead of making chargers every 150 miles, he has them at 200+ mile intervals in most of the U.S. And the industry followed suit trying to on-up each other similar to the HP wars we see with exotic cars. Nobody NEEDS a 300 mile range car any more than you need a 750HP one. What we need is charging every 40-50 miles in a proper grid so you can drive an hour, top off, and go on your way, no different than your current ICE vehicle.
@@josephoberlander my diesel car has a range of over 600 miles. Of course, I could manage with less range, but it is extremely convenient. I very rarely find I am caught short of fuel. Of course, an electric car has the huge advantage that you can fill it up overnight at home. I agree that this compensates for the shorter range most of the time.
Is it possible to use the planet Earth as a sodium ion battery using the North and South poles with the salty oceans as the primary electrolyte between the poles? Nikola Tesla might have thought so as free energy for the earth? John Eric Hoare.
if it enters production in 2023(taking account from January all the way to December for them to start the production lines) for commercial use you're looking at Availability being in either sometime in 2024 or early 2025 for Gen 1 Sodium ion batteries to be available. And if it's drop in replacements for existing lithium cells it could be instantaneously just component swapped in the same time period.
This video is complete bullshit, sodium batteries cannot fix the issue of energy density, it takes years of research and development, and additional years of commercialization to deliver an alternative technology. We are barely at the stage of creating a full scale Lithium battery supply chain let alone a alternative technology.
@@WupeViasco When you do something from scratch you're 100% right. What this Video doesn't cover is the fact the Manufacturing process used is the same process as Lithium ion. This is why this can be on the market so fast. I see this Gen 1 as a Lead acid, alkaline, Nickle cadmium killer than a Side step for Lithium ion.
You realize car companies have a 3 year testing period for new batteries right? How come your time table doesn't account for that? This is a new chemistry, it might need even more than 3 years of testing.
@@James-ln6li i don't and I also don't see it in Car production either unless Elon Musk says he's going to make Sodium Ion Batteries. I see them entering the market more for Electronics and Tools markets before cars. CES 2025 or CES 2026 they'll talk about Laptops having Sodium Ion batteries that'll last the user for 24 hours just watch. or DeWalt or Ryobi will announce new sodium Ion batter packs for their drills.
Another advantage if you are stuck out somewhere in the middle of nowhere, cause you ran out of charge, and your body is low on Sodium, you can eat a bit of the battery to top you up and survive...
Thank you for this very well made video. First, I don't think this will appear in EV's any time soon. For one ramping up the volume of production take time. Maybe in 2-3 years they can make that in volume. But more importantly, to use them would require a redesign of the EV platform if they are to fit in vehicles and still meet the old km/range. Or risk a shorter range, which i don't think is going to sell well. There is also no mention if the weight of sodium batts will be on par with lithium. No doubt we will likely see an increase in weight per kw/H, which again throws a wrench in the old vehicle platform. If you ask me, the best use of this tech is on solar, wind, hydro powered electricity. This is where volume (or weight) is not a hindrance. This would lower the cost of storing energy. And even if the energy density is low, because of the lower price, it's just a matter of adding more packs to achieve the same power. The side effect of using these in alternative home power generation would be to free up the lithium for EV use. This should slacken the demand and maybe lower the price of lithium. Maybe, because the other car manufacturers will also ramp up and the demand will remain high. I think another 5 years of R&D is still needed to solve many limitations of sodium batts. In the meantime, the home energy battery requirement is more than ready for a much lower priced energy storage solution. That market can already use them. The onus is, this will spur R&D and push for more production. There will be revenue generated in the current R&D output as the next gen is being researched upon. The other good thing for using this in home power storage is that it will further spur the sales of solar panels, wind, hydro solutions, which would be a self priming and adding to the expansion of other industries. Even in large scale storage, such as a small city or solar/wind farms, can benefit as a lower cost of power storage will allow them to build up their storage way cheaper. Again, volume and weight is not an issue for these applications.
Might be good for things like electric forklifts (where you change out batteries when the charge gets low), golf carts and stationary power backup/storage, but 1/3 less range in a vehicle application is a deal-breaker. Yes, you can add more batteries because they cost less, but would your average car buyer want to drive an 8,000 pound battle wagon?
If you could fully charge in under 15min then I'd be happy with Na-Ion. But I don't like the charging system for EV's. 30+ vehicles waiting for 30min-1hour to charge doesn't seem practical for me... I hope batteries are greatly improved or made swappable when they lose longevity. I see Red Hydrogen vehicles being the solution, FCEV'S is the solution to all of EV's problems The Red Hydrogen Nuclear power plants is an extremely safe, effective and cheap way to produce energy, hydrogen. Most of all red-h2 makes all production of cars, industry and ships. So we are not running off coal and methane.
what about charge in motion, which italy has already got working? just put the system in the road and let people use it free. the same price as the interstates. if you want a paygo, tax stocks, put in an alternative minimum tax so that warren buffet pays more tax than his secretary. he says he now pays less! many billionaires pay nothing.
@@drakekoefoed1642 What makes you think the interstates are free? They have been paid for by the taxes on fuel and miles driven (commercial trucks pay both), not one cent of income taxes pays for the highway system (in fact, the "highway trust funds" are frequently raided to pay for politically-motivated projects). No, electrifying the roads for charge-in-motion is a scam that would bankrupt the country before a tenth of it could be built. You can place it in the same catagory as the solar-panels-as-road-surface scam, another stupid idea meant to get grant money from the government.
The high price of lithium is not is not because it is a scarce resource in the earth's crust, it's more common than lead. The problem is the facilities to extract it have not grown at the rate the demand has. Electric vehicles and mobile phones plus many other devices use lithium in their batteries which has increased demand massively. High prices for lithium are not sustainable in the long run although the current situation and worse is set to last for a few years yet.
Let's not kid ourselves, salt batteries won't be $15/kwh because corporations will still charge current 'battery prices' to continue to make billions $$$! Let's save this video and see how much Tesla's and batteries are when/if salt batteries actually come out...🤣
The usage of salt water batteries in electric vehicles is unavoidable given their exceptional advantages over other batteries. Please wait to see the outcome.
sodium batteries have 33% less volumentric efficiency than LFP, thus are not well suited to evs. A sodium battery has larger volume for the same kwhr. Sodium batteries have higher cycle life thus are well suited to stationary utility scale storage.
clickbait thumb as always, dislike cuz of that. but i highly doubt we ever see anything decrease in price, people are GREEDY and prices will only go up ... also i'm more interested in NDB (nuclear diamond battery), but again i doubt they ever come to market at reasonable price. one battery will probably cost like 10000 dollars or more. at very best, maybe 1000, but never lower, altho it would cost only like 10usd to make one .. people are just too greedy nowdays and world will never get cheaper nor better, things will only get more expensive.
Size/density advantage of lithium will still dominate 80% of batteries. Only 2 or 3 companies advancing sodium vs 50 plus lithium varieties: solid-state, 3d print anodes, etc.
Every day for years we hear there’s some new battery technology, so....what gives? Why aren’t these new technologies being widely used? I understand some are very new but we’ve been hearing of others for many years.
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As the lithum battery manufacturer，I've talked about Sodium battery with my colleagues and we have many ideas about it. For the one hand , the sodium ion batteries has a very low price And sodium is very easy to achieve, also it has very fast Charge speed. For another hand ,the sodium ion batteries has two big disadvantages, The laboratories doesn't find out both affordable and safe and efficiency nagetive material, Meanwhile it needs much more even Twice Volume than the lithiumbattery to Provide THE SAME power.( I feel so Sorry for my broken English😥😥 ). Maybe you should know that the scientists began to experiment on the two batteries at the same time. However, the Sodium battery perform Not very well for it's negative material. And the scientists cannot find A very very perfect one until today.😥 To put it into a nutshell, I think for its Affordable price and it's so achievable,WITHTHE development of the technology, Sodium battery will definitely play a very, very important role in the future battery industry. At the same time,it can never be as powerful as lithium battery(BECAUSE Li is before Na in the periodic table of ele ments) The lithium and sodium hybrid battery may come first in the future.🧐🧐( I'm not sure whether I express what i think😥 cause English is not my mother language ) I will appreciate it If you have different ideas😆😆 Heated discussion will make theBATTERY industry much more better.
Thanks, and I have a question about the "Child Labor" --> Is it mostly true ? Or is it 1 case of child labor out of 1000 perfectly fine Lithium "mine" ?
---> So can Sodium Batteries have a better human-right value ? Or was it all an exageration from the medias ?
The primary issue is that the ion charge emitter side will degrade due to the larger ion size leading to reduced current capacity. The problem could be avoided by adding metal to the carbon intercallation media and using an extremely porus form of carbon. As for the acceptor side it is more problematic because the larger Na ions will bind more strongly to the CuCoOx based acceptor material. It can be traded for iron, particularly as copper 1 ferricyanide complexes. The penalty will be a bit lower voltage 2.7 to 3.3v and lower capacity per volume. It would have a higher current capacity due to the conductance imparted by the copper being an intrinsic part of the composition. 🤓
Would they be efficient in applications where size isn't an issue, like ground installations, like megapack?
@@1Eagler Absolutely. Do you care about the size and weight of your AC unit once it's installed? It's a brick like any other on your property that you largely forget about :)
As an individual I don't mind 50% lower energy density or 2X the weight for 7X lower cost and faster recharge speed. I do prefer small devices like phones to last at least 3 days between charges and I like batteries with a long overall lifespan preferably at least 7 years before the battery capacity drops to annoyingly low levels. I definitely get really frustrated when an old battery has to be recharged multiple times in a day. I'm also definitely unhappy that newer phones and laptops do not have replaceable batteries, and I also do not like pouch cells in general, simply adding an air exchange port to pouch cells so they don't inflate would make a huge difference but overall they're just a really bad battery design in general.
Did anyone else catch the “CALT”?
A little dyslexia, has he!
It's a building typo
I'm like this video turned me off immediately with CALT when the building clearly says CATL?
Catl as in farming?
@@patsy1000 Hopefully they fix their sign! 😂
I must say, while I am intrigued by the idea, the "next new battery!!!11" has been just around the corner for decades. I'll believe it when I own them.
I agree ! Breakthrough technologies that will replace Lithium batteries are ten-a-penny : but none of them make it to market !🤷🏼♂️
salt batteries were around 100 years ago, and were great.
I kind of agree but it's because most of these new technologies are from startup businesses, CATL are one of the biggest most successful battery manufacturers with a proven track record so you can put a bit more trust in it.
@@farmingandmaybemore5175 I am hopeful, but also skeptical.
Doesn't matter. its foolish to think that a cheaper battery is going to make a cheaper car. You do know it just don't work that way right. You remember USA automakers moved all their car production out of the states to control pricing and be more completive. Well now they cost 3 times as much and are even worse quality. That's how it really works.
Well no actually, the Tesla Model 3/Y RWD is much cheaper than their other models because they use the cheaper LFP battery. EV batteries make up 40% of the cost of the car, so cheaper batteries certainly means cheaper EVs. Plus the main advantage of Sodium-Ion batteries is cost, they would fall well behind Lithium-Ion batteries in terms of range and performance, so the only reason why you would even use this technology is so you can offer the low-end EVs at even cheaper prices.
I'm designing an off-grid solar supply for a remote radio installation. Weight and size are not an issue, but I need to be able to charge the batteries below freezing, which lithium can't do. This looks like it has great potential in my application.
Good luck, but I don't believe in solar or wind. I do support nuclear how ever. My better half has radio equiptment, and still use lead acid batteries for his system. Still going strong for the past 8 years with the same battery pack, with two backup systems on top of the first. Solar doesn't work too well when you have 5 days of clouds or rain. Sadly, but have fun with what your trying to do.
AMTE Power may be able to supply the Sodium-ion battery you need
@@tommills7006
Do you have that website???
Paul Plack
Well, this precisely might be the thing that Indians are looking for, in use at Himalayan heights (more than a mile in altitude)perpetually covered in snow irrespective of season, at latitudes 28º to 36º N - all tailor made.
When the speaker writes $757 and pronounces it "five thousand fifty dollars" at 2:55, then repeatedly says CALT instead of CATL, there isn't enough credibility left to continue watching.
Heard about the two guys that went into a shop, one stole batteries and the other stole fireworks.
When caught the police said that they charged one man and let the other off 😋
CALT? That’s not what the building says…
Sodium ion batteries can only reduce 20-30% cost at the moment, not 700% cheaper. There are other factors in the cost that limit the savings besides this one material. The supply chain is also not ready to support this big change in production method. It’s going to be several years away before we see this type of battery in any significant volume.
Egsactly, the built-up production capacities and accumulated knowledge will maintain lithium's right to exist for quite a few more years. It has been known until now that sodium may have a great future. Just read the CATL website.
If you are talking about the Chinese, I do not think they have an imaginary ability to strengthen supply chains. Ask Bill Gates why he has not counted from China yet, despite the drop in productivity to 50%.
@@abedmarachli7345 China is the only country right now that owns a complete supply chain for batteries. Everything from raw material mining to high-level battery assembly is done within a few hundred kilometers. They face much less supply chain issues than any other country despite being the cause of supply chain issues for the rest of the world.
Most of the video is trash. $15 for Sodium batteries is not something that's been proposed by CATL or realistic for any other company within a reasonable time frame.
@@abedmarachli7345 “has not counted from” or “has not counted out”?
Doesn’t matter salt or sugar as long as driver and passengers are safe from being BBQ 🍗.
Would have been nice as a summary to show a comparison chart oif the pros & cons of Lithium vs Sodium.
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Good investigation but right at 46 seconds you said calt not CATL.
Norwegian electric car Think City had a Zebra sodium-nickel battery as an option in 2007. It had the same capacity as Li-batteries, but
a longer lifespan and worked at a high temperature
Nickel is rare and extremely expensive. There isn't enough Nickel on the planet.
Stig Henning Johansen
Zebra battery was developed in South Africa,if I am right.
@@MrPoornakumar That might be true, I have no clue (Rhyme) ;-)
@@stighenningjohansen
Rhyming is good.Does it conceal your info?
@@MrPoornakumar I dont give a shit. If ecars are better, its nice but to me, it ended up in a money wise plane crash, so I'm out.
Diesel or Petrol for me
Combine sodium use with desalination plants use, and we'd have a seemingly endless supply of sodium and salt for many different things. Have the brine get deposited into the salt desert we already have naturally, so the ocean isn't destroyed by the brine.
I want to see this in home UPS / Solar applications. In vehicles, the mass and weight are more critical for drivability. At least finding where sodium can be used to ease the need of it in all markets to certain markets, is a good thing.
exactly
Very good point! If they are much cheaper, even with 4-5 times less capacity, they will still be perfect for stationary electrical storage, which by the way is also huge problem at the moment. Unfortunately I am watching similar videos for the past 2-3 years, yet I have never seen a new alternative to li-ion batteries in real life. I guess whoever starts production will get rich very quickly.
The price of lithium carbonate is about $57,000 per tonne. One order of magnitude less than quoted.
Explains why it costs >$700 just for the battery pack to ride an ebike all day without charging, swapping it or peddling.
All the information in this video is poorly researched. $15/kWh is also not something that's realistic any time soon.
Anyone noticed the "CALT" VS "CATL" mistake at 47 seconds in??? lol However may the world be saved by this.... good luck.... Like so many good sensible inventions, will it actually happen, I hope so.
Sodium Ion batteries. They're just around the corner, like fusion.
If they charge so rapidly then the range isn't as important .
It might be anyway. Lithium batteries already can stress power grids. Faster charging would require even more careful planning to avoid so many being charged simultaneously. Smart grid tech could help with this as was intended to spread out the grid load over the coarse of a day.
I say its still important for cars at least. Gen 3 or 4 should correct for it though. Salt batteries for House and Grid storage - would benefit the most out of it for now - at least on gen 1 and 2.
@@uncrunch398 In theory you could just put a salt battery in front of the charging station/super cap to help lower that need much like they already put a Li one in font of it already.
@@adr2t yes that's very true .
There’s a sodium ion battery in Pennsylvania that runs a signal that’s been there for 92 years without replacement
CATL is not the only one; BYD also produces sodium batteries.
BYD has plans to mass-produce sodium-ion batteries in 2023 as it aims to bring more affordable EVs with a reasonable range to market. Thanks for your comment
So they need to make cars bigger for the sodium batteries... GREAT ! we can have those big Cadillacs again.
I miss my big '70's/'80's Cadillacs
Battery weight is also a big factor with regards to power to weight ratios in automobiles. How do they stack up against lithium? Heavier batteries with less capacity won't be the answer for mobile applications, perhaps stationary though.
I wonder how they'd cope with pronouncing/spelling CATL's main sodium ion rival - UK's now Indian-owned "Faradion"?! Fardarion? Faradoin?
Paul G
This would be a huge advantage for homes, a powerwall that's double the size, and yet a fraction of the cost isn't a problem. This is an advantage .
BIG thumbs up ,, YES a home storage battery that normal income families CAN afford.
Yep, the current cost of home backup batteries is way too high. You really would like 30KWH, and that with inversion is running about $20K. It would be great if that drops to $3K.
Must be something about the language of the company name. It was named/listed as both CATL AND CALT throughout the presentation. The manufacturing building had CATL on it but people talking about it was saying CALT. Strange.
Aluminium-Graphene batteries, liquid metal batteries and sodium ion batteries are all competing for their respective markets. They may all have a use in the future. Exciting times.
Nice list
Sodium battery will replace the brand new 4680? Did they just wasted a bunch of money on the manufacturing line for the 4680?
Sodium ion batteries will end up in cheaper cars with short range. However, I see a much bigger application with stationary storage. It should revolutionise home battery storage. Imagine having a 30kwh home system for $3k. This potential become a grid size energy storage solution.
*****Its still a Crystal battery
hahaha 👁️ I Named my Daughter Crystal, Let me tell what will Happen, with That Frequency will Separate Salt.
Australian researchers, working in conjunction with a global battery technology consortium, have developed a sodium-sulphur coin battery that has 4x the energy density of lithium ion. Hopefully, they’ll scale it and get it out to mass production within the next 5 years. That could really be a huge leap forward.
scaling it is not the problem. longevity is. this is something that needs to be solved
hard to believe , that would be a energy content like gasoline plus what would a internal short be like??? explosion
@@stefanweilhartner4415 Plus the 150% extra cost compared to diesel!
@@danquaylesitsspeltpotatoe8307 with this there is no extra cost compared to diesel
@@stefanweilhartner4415 LOL NO! BUT PLEASE EXPLAIN YOUR IGNORANT CLAIM!
Dont forget to use musks 50c a KW charging cost! PLUS TELL ME HOW LONG DO THESE BATTERIES LAST (SINCE THEY HAVENT EVEN BEEN INVENTED YET! 🤦♂🤣)
0:46 ...when your narrator misreads four simple letters from a giant building as C - A - L - T
SMDH.
Note: It's CATL not CALT, aldo issing LOTS of needed specifications and math.
difference in Weight/WH and Volume/WH. Also you reduced the price of the entire battery by just the price change in Lithium/Sodium. There are a lot of other materials used in building a battery.
Your correction is not merely suggesting the author(s) don't give a hoot about spelling but undermine the good spellers here thinking that the chances of Tesla et al have been barking up the wrong battery chemistry.
@@calmorton4619 I can't really make heads or tails of your comment.
The main point is that the given "price reductions" are laughably incomplete and obviously incorrect.
@@calmorton4619 there is actually not that much lithium in a lithium battery. if they come up with a good solid state one it likely will have higher lithium content.
Looks like final solution is not given yet.
With supercharging highly saturated and widely dispersed, 160Wh/Kg is all you will need. The challenge rests now in rollout of the super charging networks.
I follow the first commenter Dallen9 I too believe the sodium ion lithium ion swap is best done right away so that the concept is accepted and production can proceed.
Be prepared this is a huge statement to make to Tesla and it can't be just a question it needs to be done directly and without question get out of lithium right away Elon.
Elon Musk needs to really realize this. Sodium-Ion batteries are far better than their lithium counterparts in terms of cost, safety and abundancy.
@@daineramosquitco5816 tesla and catl are partners, they are aware, some say a new platform will be presented by tesla in March with a cost reduction of 50% compared with model 3/Y, this would probably help on that, also for stationary storage it would be a no Brainer.
I wouldn't be surprised if most of production is already reserved for tesla...
@@rui518 Yeah, hopefully tesla cars start using sodium ion batteries.. so that there will be no more explosions ever again and that $46990 on the Tesla Model 3 SR+ becomes
CATL ... still a Chinese company. Can't the USA start making these batteries?
Would make affordable power walls for solar systems.
EXACTLY what is needed. Here in Sydney Australia we have a massive problem with solar ,, yes we have a large amount of installed solar and nearly zero batteries. MASSIVE amount of power available when nobody is at home to be using it. It has got to such a bad issue that there is suggestions of actually charging money for solar panels that are supplying power to the grid during peak sun hours
I love innovation, that being said what about the infrastructure.
What is the conversation costs?
Why aren't politicians speaking of this.
Fake!
It's the story of a company started by Carnegie Mellon University in 2008, and tens of millions of dollars.. After millions more and large government grants, it is sold to China in 2017. Low energy density was a big factor.
Do you have more info on this? I would like to learn more.
China is at least 5 years ahead of the US in the field of power batteries.
Numerous times during the video, the narrator refers to the company as CALT rather than as CATL. This even happens once in the subtitles. Not very professional.
It’s exciting times. My daughter is working on magnesium batteries as a grad student as are thousands of other colleges and companies. The biggest item is the charge cycle total …as she talks about it. Frankly it’s all lost on me but innovation is pretty cool.
Magnesium makes a great anode hi
0:47 OK, which is it? You said CALT, but the sign on the building said CATL. At 1:18 you said CATL.
While I'm all for advancements in battery tech like this - there are some current drawbacks not mentioned. 1) Sodium-ion batteries still use lithium, especially when used for EV's. Both CATL and BYD have mentioned this fact. It's less lithium, absolutely, but it's still required to increase energy density. and 2) charge cycles are 1/3 that of standard lithium ternary batteries. So, 1000 vs 3000 roughly. Not great either.
All in all, lots to be hopeful for the future. But as it sits currently, still a bit of work to make these the super-cheap world saviour of energy storage.
Also, this narrative is not correct about reactivity of Sodium. It states it is "less flammable" than Lithium... Haha! Throw a chunk of sodium in water and compare the sam,e experiment with Lithium, side by side. I would say, car with sodium ion batteries will burn better when crashed.
Less charge cycles (still 10 years for normal driving) but low cost. Imagine if the battery pack was about the cost to manufacture as the transmission in a typical car. Ie - less range, but the same cost for the motors and batteries as a normal ICE setup. $25K for a basic EV, not $45K. When you need replacement, it's a simple 2-3K drop and go procedure if designed correctly. If it lasts 80-100K miles and costs 2-3K to replace, it's acceptable given how inexpensive EVs are to run. When lithium soars to $20-30K for a battery pack, it'll also be our only option unless you are super wealthy and can afford the fancy graphene batteries.
I have suggested to Elon before on a tweet that Canada would also be another great place to build a Gigafactory on the Great Lakes and be able to ship across Canada and outward down the St Lawrence. This Gigafactory could be producing much needed additional batteries for Tesla. A Semi Truck Line, Cybertrucks and other accessories including solar panels to charge these batteries could be built here. The truck market is huge across Canada and many of the raw resources are here to put into building batteries, etc. Drone ships like the ones used to catch the boosters and fairings for SpaceX could be used insink, linked with each other to transport large amounts of Tesla's throughout the area. The nice thing about shipping through water ways is that you are not congesting traffic. Shipping could be faster, cheaper and safer. Isn't it funny after they talked to Canadian political officials there is still nothing on the board to be built here in Canada ! I have many innovative business ideas I come up with regularly that can help existing situations, whether it be financially, physically, or through faster delivery procedures. Sometimes the ground breaking ideas just flow and flow into each other. I just had three more Amazing Ideas while I was writing this comment! Innovative people with integrity expect to be believed otherwise they let time prove them right!
@@kbedn1395 Sodium-Ion batteries are non-flammable, it's been proven. You can't compare throwing a raw piece of Sodium to a whole battery with different material compositions etc.
@@kbedn1395 Actually, the thermal runaway temperatures are about 100C less than Lithium-ion. This means that it's below the point where plastics and interior materials will catch fire. That's the real problem with Lithium-ion. It's a hugely hot brick that re-ignites the rest of the car's materials. So dumping water on it is like putting water on a tire fire. Loads of steam, not much else.
i think Sodium ion battery's will be in portable consumer products from E bikes to Cellphones before they are in cars.🔋🔋🔋🔋🔋🔋🔋
I believe Lithium Carb is about 570000 yuan ( time stamp 02:03 ) ( not dollars ) which equates to 84,000 dollars per ton. By the way the current spot price today for Lithium Carb is 75564 dollars per ton.
Yea this guy is dodgy
spot price is not contract price. far from it. if it was i would be rich.
@@victorhopper6774 thanks for pointing that out V, I google searched it to get a better understanding. The power of learning through You Tube amazes me.
@ 0:44 I hope the company does better at making batteries than the announcer does at spelling the companies name, clearly shown on the building picture, And, to add to the hilarity, @ 7:20 , the captioning on the screen misspells it, even though the person being interviewed says it correctly.🤣🤣🤣
Sounds quite interesting
When I heard about the sodium batteries, they had a bad habit of easily going up in flames due to internal short circuit.
Hopefully they will soon be available in a cheap and safe version.
@@tilapiadave3234 But Tilapia Dave does (Laughing Ass My Off)
Proofreaders, it is CATL, not CALT as spoken and written in this video a dozen times.
Sodium ion batteries have all the advantages like safety, cost, charging time and temperature. It's only downside is range. But if the charging time gets better, it will replace lithium ion. What people will do is mainly use it for city driving. If they go on long trips, they will have to make many stops
Do you drive your current ICE vehicle 300 miles between fill-ups, driving it until the thing is nearly out of gas every time? Of course you don't. It gets to 1/4 or so and you fill it it. Maybe 200 miles more most people and they go to a gas station. Even on road trips, you pull over when the thing needs it. Yet the idea that 200 miles range is garbage and we MUST put massive battery packs in our cars sticks in people's heads. I'm worn out and need a break after 200 miles. Get a coffee, maybe some lunch. What we need is a better charging network, same as gas stations.
🧂 salt batteries are heavy, not sure it's going to be effective 🤠
They only have half the capacity of lithium, so they will have to be bigger to make it up, they weigh a lot more so the car will be much heavier and, crucially, they have low charge/discharge duty cycle life so they will have to be replaced much more often. Plus sodium is a lot more difficult to handle than lithium due to its habit of bursting into flames on exposure to oxygen or moisture.. Other than that - what can go wrong?
lol exactly
its clear he bought out some old tech to save some money on production, as you mention several of the flaws with it already .... but he will save some money on the production line... and the consumers will pay for it with lower quality product
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Sodium batteries will help with the supply demand problem of lithium. Energy storage mega packs seem like the perfect match for first generation, especially in Cold climates
Totally! Grid + House engery storage should be their main targets. Weight isnt a problem for applications and those applications REALLY need a TON of salt.
@@adr2t if sodium ion is used for fixed storage, that frees up lithium for EVs and could bring the price of lithium down.
This is incredibly in accurate. Sodium-based batteries cannot fix energy density problems. Even if we were to somehow create a new technology with sodium-based batteries it takes years to commercialize an alternative technology.
We don’t even have the proper supply chain for lithium batteries let alone an alternative technology, it will not be possible within a few years, if we’re lucky and they can fix energy density issues we might have sodium base batteries within 15 years
@@WupeViasco that is why I said, use sodium ion for fixed storage, Grid level storage , power walls etc. And keep lithium for mobile applications.
@@WupeViasco Doesnt fix, but it does improve. Sodium can in theory hold more power than Li once we have a better understanding. Let alone cheaper and more available. Instead of building everything in China like we are right now, we could start moving battery production closer to "Home (EU, US, CA, etc)". The problem with Li is the fact its only process in China and then ship around the world. Let alone mining the stuff currently does take a lot of resources too. By limiting the use - we remove a large cost to just getting these things out there. Fun fact, the process to get Li has a lot of sodium as a by-product.
Over all - sodium will be the future. Even if its not as energy dense as li is right now. Its already in use and in production - so 15 years is out dated. It will just scale with what our needs are and what can afford the switch for now and that will be the biggest customer.
I hope this thing works out because I need a new inexpensive battery for my E Bike thx.
One thing neglected to be mentioned here is how does Na-ion compare with Li-ion in regards to physical weight? It'll affect range if more weight is needed to be moved.
They're heavier, but if they can charge faster and/or are cheaper, it might not matter.
@@eventhisidistaken Correct :) You notice this in many EVs in Europe, with a 50-60KwH pack. If it charges in 10 minutes and you fill it up every 150-200 miles, it's basically no different than your typical ICE truck or SUV. Most are lucky to get more than about 15 mpg combined and reasonable people fill up when it's around 1/4 of a tank. This idea that the car MUST have a range of 300-400 miles is absurd and is simply marketing by Elon in order for him to need to build LESS Superchargers nationwide for his EVs. That is, instead of making chargers every 150 miles, he has them at 200+ mile intervals in most of the U.S. And the industry followed suit trying to on-up each other similar to the HP wars we see with exotic cars. Nobody NEEDS a 300 mile range car any more than you need a 750HP one. What we need is charging every 40-50 miles in a proper grid so you can drive an hour, top off, and go on your way, no different than your current ICE vehicle.
@@josephoberlander my diesel car has a range of over 600 miles. Of course, I could manage with less range, but it is extremely convenient. I very rarely find I am caught short of fuel. Of course, an electric car has the huge advantage that you can fill it up overnight at home. I agree that this compensates for the shorter range most of the time.
@@josephoberlander that would kill my vacations. That would turn a six-hour trip in an ICE car to a lot more time.
He did mentioned it and also said that it needs less in a battery. Also the battery protection is less so overall the battery weights similar.
Is it possible to use the planet Earth as a sodium ion battery using the North and South poles with the salty oceans as the primary electrolyte between the poles? Nikola Tesla might have thought so as free energy for the earth? John Eric Hoare.
if it enters production in 2023(taking account from January all the way to December for them to start the production lines) for commercial use you're looking at Availability being in either sometime in 2024 or early 2025 for Gen 1 Sodium ion batteries to be available. And if it's drop in replacements for existing lithium cells it could be instantaneously just component swapped in the same time period.
This video is complete bullshit, sodium batteries cannot fix the issue of energy density, it takes years of research and development, and additional years of commercialization to deliver an alternative technology.
We are barely at the stage of creating a full scale Lithium battery supply chain let alone a alternative technology.
@@WupeViasco When you do something from scratch you're 100% right. What this Video doesn't cover is the fact the Manufacturing process used is the same process as Lithium ion. This is why this can be on the market so fast. I see this Gen 1 as a Lead acid, alkaline, Nickle cadmium killer than a Side step for Lithium ion.
You realize car companies have a 3 year testing period for new batteries right? How come your time table doesn't account for that? This is a new chemistry, it might need even more than 3 years of testing.
@@James-ln6li i don't and I also don't see it in Car production either unless Elon Musk says he's going to make Sodium Ion Batteries. I see them entering the market more for Electronics and Tools markets before cars. CES 2025 or CES 2026 they'll talk about Laptops having Sodium Ion batteries that'll last the user for 24 hours just watch. or DeWalt or Ryobi will announce new sodium Ion batter packs for their drills.
@@James-ln6li These batteries have been under test for a couple of years!
Wish NASA would just tell us what batteries they used to air condition their magic space suits. Keeping 70 degrees in 220+degrees outside temp!🤪
Another advantage if you are stuck out somewhere in the middle of nowhere, cause you ran out of charge, and your body is low on Sodium, you can eat a bit of the battery to top you up and survive...
if your food is a little bland, can you rub it on the battery to make it taste better?
🤪Talking about the voice of this kind of videos.. SCAM Voice to let us believe, to let us think we need to do…
Thank you for this very well made video.
First, I don't think this will appear in EV's any time soon. For one ramping up the volume of production take time. Maybe in 2-3 years they can make that in volume.
But more importantly, to use them would require a redesign of the EV platform if they are to fit in vehicles and still meet the old km/range. Or risk a shorter range, which i don't think is going to sell well. There is also no mention if the weight of sodium batts will be on par with lithium. No doubt we will likely see an increase in weight per kw/H, which again throws a wrench in the old vehicle platform.
If you ask me, the best use of this tech is on solar, wind, hydro powered electricity. This is where volume (or weight) is not a hindrance. This would lower the cost of storing energy. And even if the energy density is low, because of the lower price, it's just a matter of adding more packs to achieve the same power.
The side effect of using these in alternative home power generation would be to free up the lithium for EV use. This should slacken the demand and maybe lower the price of lithium. Maybe, because the other car manufacturers will also ramp up and the demand will remain high.
I think another 5 years of R&D is still needed to solve many limitations of sodium batts. In the meantime, the home energy battery requirement is more than ready for a much lower priced energy storage solution. That market can already use them. The onus is, this will spur R&D and push for more production. There will be revenue generated in the current R&D output as the next gen is being researched upon.
The other good thing for using this in home power storage is that it will further spur the sales of solar panels, wind, hydro solutions, which would be a self priming and adding to the expansion of other industries. Even in large scale storage, such as a small city or solar/wind farms, can benefit as a lower cost of power storage will allow them to build up their storage way cheaper. Again, volume and weight is not an issue for these applications.
You are dead on right in your comments.
Let us see how technology progresses! When Charles babage invented... COMPUTER was of a room size and now we have micro computers too.
You want to blow up your car or your home first?
Whatever batteries Tesla produce, the climate will not change, period
Might be good for things like electric forklifts (where you change out batteries when the charge gets low), golf carts and stationary power backup/storage, but 1/3 less range in a vehicle application is a deal-breaker. Yes, you can add more batteries because they cost less, but would your average car buyer want to drive an 8,000 pound battle wagon?
If you could fully charge in under 15min then I'd be happy with Na-Ion.
But I don't like the charging system for EV's. 30+ vehicles waiting for 30min-1hour to charge doesn't seem practical for me...
I hope batteries are greatly improved or made swappable when they lose longevity. I see Red Hydrogen vehicles being the solution, FCEV'S is the solution to all of EV's problems
The Red Hydrogen Nuclear power plants is an extremely safe, effective and cheap way to produce energy, hydrogen.
Most of all red-h2 makes all production of cars, industry and ships. So we are not running off coal and methane.
what about charge in motion, which italy has already got working? just put the system in the road and let people use it free. the same price as the interstates. if you want a paygo, tax stocks, put in an alternative minimum tax so that warren buffet pays more tax than his secretary. he says he now pays less! many billionaires pay nothing.
@@drakekoefoed1642 What makes you think the interstates are free? They have been paid for by the taxes on fuel and miles driven (commercial trucks pay both), not one cent of income taxes pays for the highway system (in fact, the "highway trust funds" are frequently raided to pay for politically-motivated projects).
No, electrifying the roads for charge-in-motion is a scam that would bankrupt the country before a tenth of it could be built. You can place it in the same catagory as the solar-panels-as-road-surface scam, another stupid idea meant to get grant money from the government.
Dude… CATL not CALT … DAMN ya even put it in misspelled in the video. 😂
Doesn't that battery release gas to make you dizzier & get you closer to death quicker.
Good, these Lithium mine companies are getting too damn greedy, I hope this new sodium ion battery technology works out and teaches them a lesson.
More BS from Tesla world, sodium ion batteries are large and heavier as compared to lithium ion but cheaper so how is that a game changer?
2024 change everything:
Elon give his fortune to the poorest 😊
Barium should manufacture a lot of production of anything we want
It doesn't matter what you make the batteries out they need to be charged by electricity which is mostly made by fossil fuels
Stop making bombs and focus our great minds to bringing awesome batterys
It is not calt, it is CATL
The high price of lithium is not is not because it is a scarce resource in the earth's crust, it's more common than lead. The problem is the facilities to extract it have not grown at the rate the demand has. Electric vehicles and mobile phones plus many other devices use lithium in their batteries which has increased demand massively. High prices for lithium are not sustainable in the long run although the current situation and worse is set to last for a few years yet.
When the car blows up for the battery blows up can you put it out easy or is it like the lithium battery where you can't put the fire out
At 0:47 you say: CALT (but it should be CATL as you can see on the building)
Fast forward to 2042. Why is the ocean salinity so low?🥴
It’s CATL or CALT? I heard u said 2 times in the beginning 2 mins there.
Man made Lithium is being produced for cheap!!
We will see the introduction of sodium batteries, as soon as Tesla has had a chance to dump all it stock in lithium mining .
CATL not CALT as you said in the beginning.... oh well.
Nice to see battery technology getting better. But the grid to charge them isn't.
Let's not kid ourselves, salt batteries won't be $15/kwh because corporations will still charge current 'battery prices' to continue to make billions $$$! Let's save this video and see how much Tesla's and batteries are when/if salt batteries actually come out...🤣
The usage of salt water batteries in electric vehicles is unavoidable given their exceptional advantages over other batteries. Please wait to see the outcome.
Nothing that's better is ever cheeper . So let's get that straight right now .
How will these sodium ion batteries hold up in the northern states winters
The price of salt is about to increase a thousand percent. Lol
Dude, it's CATL you said CALT at least twice!
An ion that shares electrons can become a battery it doesn’t matter what the element is
CATL, it's on the bloody building
It is not CALT it is CATL. You said it wrong in the beginning
nothing but hype. i will believe it when i see it in products
What about Aluninum Ion batteries development?
sodium batteries have 33% less volumentric efficiency than LFP, thus are not well suited to evs. A sodium battery has larger volume for the same kwhr.
Sodium batteries have higher cycle life thus are well suited to stationary utility scale storage.
Repeatedly switched between LT and TL.
Sodium will skyrocket in price
How about those barium batteries that last good
clickbait thumb as always, dislike cuz of that. but i highly doubt we ever see anything decrease in price, people are GREEDY and prices will only go up ...
also i'm more interested in NDB (nuclear diamond battery), but again i doubt they ever come to market at reasonable price. one battery will probably cost like 10000 dollars or more. at very best, maybe 1000, but never lower, altho it would cost only like 10usd to make one .. people are just too greedy nowdays and world will never get cheaper nor better, things will only get more expensive.
Size/density advantage of lithium will still dominate 80% of batteries. Only 2 or 3 companies advancing sodium vs 50 plus lithium varieties: solid-state, 3d print anodes, etc.
Every day for years we hear there’s some new battery technology, so....what gives? Why aren’t these new technologies being widely used? I understand some are very new but we’ve been hearing of others for many years.