I come from DBZ in the 90’s so for many, many years I’ve discarded power scaling as a not worthwhile topic. However, Morj and BDA have a good take on it. It’s not some arbitrary number system, or something as myopic as “X beats Y so therefore they defeat Z”, but a look a what’s been established in the lore and what characters have accomplished under that.
Oda actually call zoro the right hand and sanji the left hand on the sbs of the tome 62 or 63 explaining that they should be able to work together because they’re his right and left hand
Mr. Morj's house in the background becomes increasingly nicer and nicer every time lol. By the time One Piece ends, he'll be making Chapter reviews in Buckingham Palace.
Those short episodes that intro the movies with the crew just chilling are some of my favorites. It's so refreshing to have them chat and fool around at sea with no WG or Yonko's bothering them.
It's insane that the Straw Hat Pirates have become so powerful that the addition of a Warlord could very well be a mid-tier acquisition. We've come a long way from a handful of teenagers sailing in a peaceful sea on the Going Merry, that's for sure.
He equals Ace and was implied to be superior to Hordy, and completly dominating Moria. Even Kid called him a big Deal. His Bounty is still bigger as everyones except the Captains. The Question is more, if hes able to keep up, or if he stays at the Level of Introduction and the Rest just grown over him.
Sunaki1000 Considering he is much older than all of them I don’t think he will grow that much more in strength but he is still a MAJOR addition to the crew and brings so much more than just strength. I think Jinbei was commander level pre time skip and he has certainly grown in strength a little since then. And honestly Hordy should never be compared to Jinbei that’s disrespectful, Hordy is fodder and even with all those steroids Jinbei could’ve beaten him and all his officers by himself.
@@jesseljones4991 Also I remember way back when people were talking about Law potentially joining the Straw Hats because he was a tactician. THAT.... That could very well be something Jimbei can do in addition to Helmsman. Everyone on the crew brings their own form of intelligence, but personally I feel Jimbei and Robin bring a lot of wisdom and critical thinking.
@@jesseljones4991 Sure. Hes a Veteran, I see him and most of the Crew formost as Specialists of there respective Talent. Hes the Helmsman and had a lot of Knowledge and Contacts in the New World. Like a Yakuza Style Mob Boss. There is, I belife anime Only, a Dickmessuring between Hordy using the one weak Watherattack and Jinbei copying it same Strenge. That confused me at first, specificaly cause Luffys fight was closer in the Anime, while he completly destroyed Hordy in the Manga. People often consider Ace below regular Commander, for some Reasons. And he did probably grow after he joined Whitebeard. I consider Jinbei as at least equal to Pica also DoFlamingos tops, if not as strong as a full fledged Commander. Zoro and Sanji in the other Hand, I cant see them defeating anyone higher then the Tobiroppo. King will rater face Marco, how I see it. But who knows, Zoro didnt go all out against Pica and Sanji got a massive Powerup. Sidenote, Im a big Jimbei Fan, so if anything I rater tend to overestimate him.
Jinbei is the "wise adviser" archetype, he knows about the world and how the New World works more than the rest of the crew does, he is very strong and tactically great but that isn't his purpose in the crew and the monster trio will always be the most powerful fighters and far outgrow his league. He is there to help guide the crew both as the helmsman and as the guy that knows a lot more about the world they are pushing their way into.
@@mishoa1 No, sorry to be clearer. I mean that in terms of their purpose in the narrative not their role on the ship, it just happens that Jinbei's role on the ship poetically relates to his role in the story unlike Sanji but anyway. Sanji is the cook, yes, but his actual narrative purpose, is mostly to be part of the monster trio and be a loyal fighter with Luffy and Zoro, that is what he spends his time doing in the story. Jinbei's purpose in the story and the reason I believe Oda is putting him into the crew is that he has a wealth of knowledge so can guide the crew in upcoming arcs with exposition about the New World etc. He isn't there to be a main fighter in the story, he is not there as the guy to grow more awesome and powerful etc. He is there to tell the crew and also the audience more about the New World and guide things that way.
Peter I disagree, jinbei hasn’t even been an official member long enough to pin down his dynamic with the crew. In WCI he was both focused on the helmsmen aspect and being a front line fighter for the straw hats, wano seems to be going to same direction with him being one of the main heavy hitters in the group as well. I’m almost certain that going forward jinbei will be needed to match up against a strong opponents in every arc. Narratively he can represent the experience/wisdom of the crew and be a main fighter just how like Sanji used to get a lot of the stealthy or planning things along with being a fighter. Or Zoro getting a lot of the Vice captain type roles and being a fighter.
@@mishoa1 You could well be right, perhaps I am jumping the gun, it is just a theory of mine. I just feel like he will fight in the same way that Brook, Robin and Franky fight, rather than how the trio do. As in, he will fight if he is needed but I don't think he will be part of the top tier guys, going in first with full fury to kick buns, not the main stage fighters basically. I see him more of a permanent Law-esque figure, planning, giving information as the wise man with a cool head. It just fits the pre-established character more I think than him being part of the true heavy hitters. We will see how it goes when we get there... in a few years from now. If you are right, I'll buy you a beer.
The monster trio will never break. Take the simple fact that all three of them are crazy. Zoro and Sanji go along with any of Luffy's crazy ideas and never try to stop him. Jimbe is a responsible guy with wisdom so he won't be breaking the monster trio.
@Aadikar Bhandari Which part of this made you think that😂.. I love what oda writes.. And I was right Oda himself proved it.. The monster trio is not breaking
Oda has been putting in the work to solidify Jinbei’s place even in this arc. The first crew member he partners with is Robin. This is actually important, because it shows that he’s more of an advisor type than a lieutenant or fighter beside Luffy. Him and Robin specifically can be his intel officers
ODA portraits zoro and sanji as the two hands of luffy and he will never change that. After the time skip more people says that there are no monster trio like before but they forget that we are in the first act of the new world. This first act will be completed in Wano arc. If you see the travel of zoro and sanji in new world from fishman island to wano you will see that these two guys are the most important after luffy. They beated a pacifista in sabaody like luffy, they protected luffy in fishman island as he was walking to Hody Jones, they fellow two different roads in fights till wano (zoro was fighting against weak opponents, as sanji had clashes against very strong opponents) so we are not aware about their powers till the final fights in wano...they had the longest time to see each other and they met in the middle of a battle when we see all the crew together again...and they were the most wanted men in wano from kaido's men (as the ronin zorojuro and the soba mask)
This is the best comment i've read so far like no cap😂 Every other comment is just people roasting each other saying Zoro is this, Sanji's that... who cares no matter what they will always be the two most crucial men that Luffy has.
@@monkeydee i think that everyone os getting it wrong, since each and all members are crucial for luffy. No strawhat can be replaced, they are all (or will be) the best in what they are doing. The only useless strawhat is Zoro, this is why he will be Mihawkish strong as the vice captain.
@@kysa3535 obviously everyone in the straw hat are important but in terms of strength Zoro and Sanji are on top and Luffy is above them both. But of course everyone else is going to be strong in their own way. We shouldn’t underestimate the straw hats anymore especially after wano.
jimbei was the one who stopped akainu's attack to protect luffy from akainu. he also shielded luffy with his own body. jimbei has helped luffy more than anyone else in the entire series.
In the first few minutes you've made me realize something that isn't touched upon often. It's not Luffy and Zoro. It's Luffy, Zoro, *and* Sanji. So often I see people talking about Luffy and Zoro, and then Sanji's an afterthought (how strong is he compared to Zoro and such). People put emphasis on Zoro's loyalty and crap but you pointed it out here. It's not just Zoro picking up when Luffy can't. It's Zoro and Sanji. Even if Zoro was first, Sanji tried to do the same thing Zoro did in Thriller Bark against Kuma. So I gotta thank you for that. It was so simple. And I was well aware that the Monster Trio existed but people put far more emphasis on Zoro being Luffy's first-mate because Sanji's official role on the crew is the cook.
Sanji always has really good moments through out the series but some people just ignore those moments cuz most of them are not fighting related or something Luffy and Zoro moments overshadowed those moments. Everyone remember Zoro sacrificed and took Luffy's pain but they forget Sanji going do the same...Even I seen some people say (Sanji would die if he took Luffy's pain but I don't how it's important if he lives or die cuz the main point is, he ready to sacrificed his life for his crew and for his captain). For those people I have a question... Tell me if Zoro die after talking Luffy's pain then that make is sacrificed meaningless or more impactfull
@Please Banme Sanji looks way weaker than because Oda makes it seem that way let's be honest he hasn't defeated one person of note and when he finally got his change to shine against page one. Oda makes page one get right back up with no damage while Sanji runs away
They've already gotten big power ups. We just haven't seen the full extent of them. They might get another but right now we don't know what they're capable of as it is.
@@combogalis by power up I mean people have no doubt that they get close to yonko level (Luffy) and yonko commander level(sanji and zoro). People still have doubt whether sanji can defeat queen. You get what I mean. sanji defeating queen, zoro defeating king and Luffy defeating kaido (not fair 1v1). I think sanji is needs a proper power up. Many fans are not satisfied with the germa raid suit power up
Faded Plus while he use it he opens his lift eye that’s my theory since forever ago that his lift eye is connected to asura what do you think about my theory ?
The only thing with the east blue dynamic is I find people take Usopp being the weakest as Usopp being the least capable when the opposite is true. Usopp's role throughout the series has increasingly been despite being the weakest straight up fighter he consistently steps up to make some of the biggest plays in the crew which was finally reflected in his Dressrosa bounty. I feel like Usopp will continue to see stuff like that and be one of the most famous straw hats in the end which makes sense as Usopp doesn't have some grand goal he's basically just trying to be the best pirate he can be despite his weaknesses.
@@visionaryvjae5641 Yes, well, he's also mentally strong (enough to step up when really needed EVEN if he's weak or is scared). THAT is his strong point. Not that he's a sniper, there are other characters who fight like that xD
Also jinbei and luffy's dynamic really is different from the one he has with sanji & zoro. I also think that the fact jinbei joined will let sanji shine more, since he'll less have to worry about the safety of the rest and more focus on his spy/mrprince gimmick, which will be great (like the role jinbei took when luffy jumped through the mirror was basically the same as sanji with the curly hats, maybe with a little less leadership but that's because it was new).
Dudes the perfect covert team would be Sanji, Brook ( he's silent and fast, and he has done it already on Whole cake) and Robin (remember that she used to be an assassin and how effective she could collect information about Orochi plus the fact that her DF is basically built for sneak attacks and retrieving stuff)
Ash Grey Ash Grey The Spy Team has already shown in Stampede movie with Sanji, Robin, Brook, Law, and Chopper (tending Law’s wound) having separate team. They work pretty well, with Sanji giving the order around, Robin & Brook both utilise Ear-Eye Growth and Soul Extension, and Law provides information. Stampede is basically a fan service that we all want to see 😁
In regards to the "power structure of the Yonko crews having three commanders": people seem to forget, that it was specifically emphasized that Big Mom had four commanders, until a few weeks before the Straw Hats infiltration, so the argument of having three commanders does not apply. Also Whitebeard had something like 14 commanders; but people only seem to focus on the 1st, 3rd and 5th commanders, for some inexplicable reason..
Completely agree with your arguement. Jinbei's strength is at its peak by one piece age standards and his graph isn't going to increase any more. Meanwhile zoro luffy and sanji are still very young and have much to gain.
@@abc1234567a1 that could be true. One could say he's nearing his peak but no one can deny that luffy, zoro, sanji, ussopp etc are far from their maximum potential. Jimbei could always become stronger but not nearly as much as the rest of the crew strictly in terms of growth. Imo jimbei's role as a strawhat is literally and figuratively as the helmsman and not a frontier fighter like the monster trio.
Kinda unrelated but I'd like to see more characters joining Kidd and Law's crews, especially Law because they all feel so underwhelming except Killer, Bepo, Jean-Bart and Heat kinda which really makes seems a unbalanced for rival crews, a big part of me has a hard time thinking these guys could ever in a million years beat the strawhats to Laugh Tale. A nice addition in my opinion is to have Yamato join up with Kidd or Law instead because then at the very least we could possibly see them as competitors for who will get to the final island first and it's a massive power boost to their respective crews to equal Jimbe joining the strawhats at the beginning of the raid. But that's me I feel like they should be perfectly balanced as all things should be.
Yamato is definitely joining the Straw Hats and that’s for the best since she needs an actual story. What Kidd and Law need are characters like the Tobbi Roppo or something, people who exist just for their strength and don’t need to be explored. Maybe even Jack? Or Hawkins. I agree with you tho, if Oda actually wants us to see these crews as Luffys rival they need something on him. He has a fleet and a better crew, Law has a Bepo? Kidd has Killer and maybe Heat and Wire (who have done nothing) but nothing else. Of course if Oda isn’t actually planning any rivalry here then none of this matters.
Even thematically having the rest of the crew leaving Baratie was symbolizing the “second” first crew member. Doubled down by stripping Luffy down to a barely sea worthy Dingy, just him and Sanji.
Plus, Let's talk about the roles they are given. Say, they get in a fight on Sea. Sanji (Cook) is free at that moment to jump off the ship and fight and Zoro is basically an all-time fighter guy. Whereas Jinbe is supposed to be the Helmsman. He can't leave the Helm and start fighting. That'd be absurd. What he can do is support the Trio by handling the ship and make sure Sunny isn't damaged while the Trio is going CRAZY!
Franky or anybody else really can take over while Jinbei fights. The reason Jinbei is necessary as helmsman is for dangerous situations where the sunny needs to be maneuvered from powerful attacks/hazardous weather. Plus, he can still be one of the main fighters, it's just he stays on the ship to protect everyone.
i love how oda always emphasises on things like the monster trio, zoro being the unspoken first mate, his loyalty to his captain, and other stuff that makes the fans love the straw hats dynamic. when he put the "we three need to split up" at the sabaody arc, he knew exactly what he was doing. and what even better is that we know he is not just doing it because he knows what people want, but simply because he likes it as well. he loves these characters so much. it's like playing with superhero toys with yourself, and that's what he does with the monster trio
It's not everyday that I get to see the perspective of such a long time manga reader, week by week. Definitely include more of such unique insight and state of fanbase in the past! For some reason I found it very, very interesting.
Agreed. Most of these new one piece youtubers are relatively new to the game. So they don't have the foresight nor hindsight of someone whose been apart of the game for many years.
I love when mr morj comes out with a talkingpoint that I have argued with and fully support. Jinbei isn't breaking this dynamic up and nothing ever will. The 3 will prove themselves a head above even jinbei this arc. This whole discussion that oda has sidelined sanji out of a combat role... or that jinbei or yamato replaces sanji... ridiculous
But it is interesting this is the guy that claims Oda hates Sanji somehow, and yet here he's saying Sanji will never be replaced in the Monster Trio, tjhis guy can't have it both ways . For the record I have no issue having the Monster Trio become a monster Quartet and shaking up the status quo is something Oda loves doing so if he feels it's time for that dynamic to be shaken up he's going to do it.
@@Cloud-dt6xb Do you mean Morj's "Sanji the Strawhat Oda hates" video? If you are, Morj actually does the opposite and explains why Oda doesn't hate Sanji in that video.
@@visionaryvjae5641 Then why title the video that way then? Do you have any idea how may people actually run with that stupid claim, I was'nt in the mood to listen to a hate video about it. That title is very misleading and should've been clarified.
Its not because Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji are the og's... its because they are the pillars of HAKI (*Luffy* - will power, aspirations to be strong and protect, and a sense to rise above all, to become KING. *Zoro* - will power, drive, and the ambition to become the absolute STRONGEST. *Sanji* - determination, a dream, and a sense of GENTALMENCY.) These three are inseparable!
What’s even more, you shouldn’t even use the “bounty” argument for Jimbei either. When Robin was introduced, her bounty was higher than even Zoro’s at the time. So, Jimbei’s bounty currently being second highest in the crew is not indicative of him changing the dynamic of the Monster Trio
Kevin Mark I mean that you shouldn’t say the Jimbei is stronger and will shake up the Monster Trio simply because he has a higher bounty. I don’t really know what your point is here.
I just find it funny how Sanji is destined to never have the second highest bounty in the crew. For the longest time he had the fourth highest one and just when it seemed like he is gonna have the second highest one, surpassing Zoro, Jimbei joins the crew with his 470M bounty and drops him back to third place XD
Real talk though, Robin SHOULD still have a higher bounty than Zoro and even Jinbe, she's still the biggest offender of the "threat level to the world govt/their agenda" requirement lol. Mad they just threw 1mil on her after Enies Lobby like she forgot how to read poneglyphs or something. Her personal goals directly go against them the most still. I would only say to keep it lower than Luffy's cause Captain and all that.
The moment you explain that the strawhats should be compared to rogers crew who had a right and left hand i could almost hear the mic drop. You are astonishingly good at taking such a complex story, making it simple, and then conveying your thoughts to a wide audience. It's a skill that you should be proud of. You are my favorite youtuber, period. Not just one piece youtuber, but in general. I am really glad you started uploading more regularly. Good job buddy.
Everything you said makes sense. Character power relative to story progression, growth potential, and parallels to other crews. Jinbei is bound to meet a similar fate as Franky and Robin. There's just one potential Strawhat candidate you entirely forgot about that would throw the Monster Trio dynamic on its head: The epitome of high potential, the legend, *Sogeking,* rejoining the crew.
Then again, him joining would make little sense. Oda probably made him leave the crew _precisely because_ his power level clearly clashed with the monster trio, destroying this pivotal dynamic.
I’ve said this for a while. Jinbei was too strong to join the Strawhats during Fishman Island. It makes sense that he’d join officially once Zoro and Sanji leveled up a bit.
Wow, the first half of the video I was thinking & comparing this to when Robin joined the crew - and then Morj addressed it in the second half lol. (& I also became a weekly reader in Enies Lobby, possibly where the shared perspective comes from as Morj said). :^)
This makes me think much as jimbe has joined we should get some characterization of him just like with Robin and Franky. I feel like we know a lot about him but at the same time we don't. Curious to see his interactions with Big Mom.
At the beginning I was like "someone cares seriously ?". Then your explanation ended and I was like "this is actually an interesting topic". Congrats for that
A little off topic, but while I’m glad jinbe joined the crew I hated how long it took for him to even join. Oda should’ve just let him join during whole cake island
Narratively it was probably better off he was this late to joining to be fair, since we saw with Kawamatsu, Fishmen stick out in Wano, and Jinbe would be quite the stand out figure around, so to keep things under wraps regarding the plans and stuff he really wouldnt have been able to be active anyways.
My man, clarifying the depths of my favourite adventure without destroying the fantasy and expectations well at least leaving me with my own differing opinion while I completely agree with this vid, keep it up.🤣
I've been avoiding your channel and videos even though they were being recommended all the time. After seeing this video, I am now a fan. Very well said! I don't know why Jimbei is so glorified. Those who argue against the original monster trio should think twice.
Jimbei is the only one who is so obsessed with Luffy, and he never needed Luffy's saving/ help. Plus, his addition to the crew will dilute the already limited attention to the other straw hats. Honestly, there's hardly going to be any growth for Jimbei, and I don't look forward to his growth at all. I was absolutely disappointed when Oda made Jimbei part of the crew. Carrot is at least more interesting...
@@reubenchoong6128 Jinbei is necessary for the crew because he's a helmsman, and without one they won't be able to navigate through the last section of the new world.
I think Jimbei will be a bit of a mentor and a source of wisdom for the crew seeing as how he’s middle aged and a veteran of the new world , and I also see him keeping everyone together while the monster trio go out and do their thing as bit of logistics role or a “vice captain” role and yea I know that belongs to zoro but there is no official role of the vice so Jimbei could fill that role in when needed with the weaker members like with whole Cake Island
As he said i have read the manga for a lon time and thought franky was gonna be zoro level at least.im still salty his bounty is so low and hes not that close to monster trio
People seem to forget that Sanji was the acting captain for like a third of the crew for like two years’ worth of chapters. It’s sort of insane to think that he’d be permanently displaced by Jinbe when being third in command is literally such a core part of his character that it’s built into his name. Also idk how people overlook the fact that Jinbe was only incorporated into the full crew after Zoro and Sanji received significant new additions to their fighting styles and were given a couple of weeks to figure things out. While both of these were sort of obtained in “rough” forms (Zoro received a non-blackened Enma and Sanji a raid-suit that he wanted heavily modified respectively) I think it’s more than clear that even if Jinbe is stronger than them now they both have plenty of room to grow in Wano (and in all honesty should walk away from this arc approaching “commander level”, as from here on they’ll be up against nothing but top-tiers) The way I see it Jinbe’s role in the story has always been that of someone Luffy can consistently depend on in a way that differs from Sanji’s last-minute saves or Zoro’s enduring sense of trust. During his introduction Ace literally told Jinbe to look after Luffy. Then he saved Luffy’s life at Marineford and helped him come to terms with Ace’s death. He gave Luffy a blood transfusion on fishman island. He stayed behind to hold off the Big Mom pirates so Luffy could escape. And now as an official crew member his role in combat will probably be dedicated to enemies who are too strong for Usopp/Nani/Chopper but not powerful enough to be used as a vehicle for Sanji or Zoro to meaningfully progress. Jinbe’s role up until this point has been as a reliable person for Luffy and the others to fall back on, and I feel like this implies that the challenges Oda writes for him will be more about being able to clear needless obstacles and support his friends in new ways rather than brute force progression.
Even Though ussop is portrayed as the weakest or one of the weakest strawhats. He's always with Zoro and sanji as in terms of Potential. To me Oda makes him the weakest because he has the weakest mindset. but in reality Ussop will become the 4th strongest in terms of Skill. He unlocked his observation and you would think that He would atleast learn to control it. I think that Ussop will gain a 2 Boosts in the same arc in the future and that Will be Mastery of his basic Observation haki and A New Weapon that Compliments His Pop greens and maybe sea stone Bullets. Something more Manly like a Mini Sniper. This will help Provide more character development to ussop and help him gain Confidence as the Support fighter
Jinbe probably won't get stronger than he is now. Luffy, Zoro and Sanji get more powerful every time they're on panel. edit: caught up to the bit where you hit that point. Yup.
Him not getting stronger is baseless. Jinbe isn't even in his prime yet considering oda himself said humans live to about 140 and we have no reason to believe fishmen don't share lifespans.
@@oof6184 there is even no need for jimbei becoming stronger cuz he is already strong enough to compete against most new world calibers. He is already a big fish (no pun intended) the reaction of law and Kid joining luffy speaks for itself.
@@bilegsaikhan1902 if him being decently strong already is your only reasoning then I could say sanji won't get stronger and it's just as accurate. Zoro Is the only one who has a goal that requires him to get stronger than his wano self.
@@oof6184 It would be very strange if Jinbe suddenly had a growth in power after spending so long as an established powerful character in the world. Would you expect Marco, if he were to join the SHs, to suddenly begin an upward curve of power? It would be weird. Yamato on the other hand I could see joining and getting more powerful as the story progresses, because she hasn't begun her journey.
Depending on how the story goes, Jinbe could be part of a “Dynamic Duo” with Robin. They’re the most seasoned, and mature of the group. I think those 2 have a unique niche in the crew.
Jinbe is a way more experienced and stronger fighter and pirate, I don't they belong in the same class AT ALL. Robin is mature and really smart and her skillset is quite different.
Robin has the same role in paradise just as jimbei is to the new world. Robin has many knowledge about pirates and the world but was replaced by jimbei in the new world which makes sense since he has FAR more experience. Robin in the other hand, was given another significant role of reading poneglyph. It is not much but it is implied that SH will not be the pirate king without robin
@@redmangoose182 In what world is Franky a dumbass? He may be goofy, but the man is a legitimate genius, master engineer, and probably the best shipwright on the seas. Even pre-skip he was building extremely impressive technology, and post-skip he's been able to understand and reproduce Vegapunk tech and incorporate it into his designs. He's not an idiot by any stretch.
@@WhistleDungeon I think you're overreacting, I think he just means that both Franky and Brook are the goofy trio. Brook's not a dumbass either, he ain't a genius, but he's not retarded.
God You mean floating in space for 50 years Brook? You mean Post Death Prestige Brook? The argument wouldn’t be is Jimbe not strong enough... I think he’s already strong, it’s just Sanji and Zoro are 21 compared to 44.
God I see your point but you misunderstand mine it’s less about his age and more about his skill ceiling he is much closer to his peak then Zoro and Sanji hence they have a lot more room for growth than jimbe does.
God brook was stuck vibing on a boat for god knows how long lol. Jinbei was out fucking people up as a warlord, building experience and shit in the new world. He hasn’t gotten dramatically stronger in the timeskip either. It just doesn’t make logical sense for him to be like “oh power boost” after joining
Also jimbei gives some reliable, responsable father figure vibes, I feel like he will become some sort of elder, sage (much needed lol) figure for the crew A figure that probably will not mess with the monster rascal trio, as you said
@@Dreamfillah it only relates to power levels. Nami didn't call them monsters because of their dynamic but because no one on the crew could make a fight higher than mid diff against them.
@@oof6184 I'm talking about the meta concept of the monster trio as a characterisation device, which is likely infinitely more enjoyable to Oda than considering the Straw Hat's power dynamic.
Mr Morj never fails to make me cry when discussing the OG East Blue crew. Usopp and Sanji are my favorite characters in this story and personally I am somewhat willing to not give Jinbe access to the coveted spot. In fact, he might be better suited to be the Grand Fleet’s Commander in Chief. If Luffy was the Admiral/Fleet Captain, then of course Jinbe with the most advisorial experience would be most fit in this occupation. The only one that has this is Zoro with foreshadowing because he drank the Sake but I find that hard to consolidate with his character. Either way though, unfortunately the powerscaling has left more to be desired. Jinbe is the second strongest in the crew. I would even argue during Fishman Island he should have been above Luffy still even with Gear Fourth. He has fought Ace with his DF for five days, held back Big Mom who no one else could do anything with. He was strong enough to block Sakazuki’s punch to at least stop him from hurting Ace further and break into the Palace where the other Big Mom Officers were, not including the at the time currently distracted Smoothie, currently bedridden Cracker and AFK, Seeing the Future Katakuri who was not present until the Party. Jinbe has the the second highest showing of feats. In fact, I sort of like to dislike that the powerscaling even within the monster trio was as controversial as you framed it. Franky was also stronger then Luffy, although that one was by a hair, Luffy got stronger. In fact, since Luffy lacks thought bubbles, you can imply when he said ‘There is a new trick I wanna try’ was when both Sanji and Zoro were foreshadowed to have developed something themselves. What happened then? They developed techniques to curb the gap. Now this is featless Zoro and Sanji, but I doubt they will somehow ascend to Admiral/Low Tier Yonko Level because they are Luffy’s right and left hand. Which okay fair, but it is not enough to have Franky get to Second Commander Level or even Third. Buuuuuut I did cry when I read those one piece chapter scans like I always do. I have been reading since Saobody Archipelago and I probably picked the one arc that shaped me the most. You have also mentioned the alliance would be a failure in another video but I guess a food for thought, if Zoro and Sanji did somehow overtake Jinbe, it would likely be at the first failure and had to improve their techniques from both the timeskip era and new world era. In short, while I tend to dislike the grouping of the monster trio especially since Luffy appears like a genuine monster via feats while the other two have sort of been rising, but unable to keep up so far. The Straw Hat Crew is not supposed to be Top Heavy like Kaido. Jinbe however is both top heavy and mind heavy. He is arguably the most experienced member of the crew since Franky was just a builder and Brook was shipwrecked in an ocean for fifty years. He can be...well, anything. We just dont know. But the feats dont lie, he is still the second strongest in the crew. Could he dip to say third or fourth? Sure. But no lower. Absolutely not.
It is totally my conclusion in my head for a long time, and it never fails me. It is a literature technique that a high-end writer would probably come up with, whether he is consciously doing it or not. But it is exhausted to debate with the "speculator". You lay it out in well and organized structure and reasoning. You once again amazed me.
I know in a lot of your uploads I’ve been negative towards your current one piece discussions. I highly doubt you even noticed. But unequivocally you’re right about this. From a story and even from a narrative perspective, no matter how strong or potentially busted a crewmate is, the Monster Trio will ALWAYS BE that trio. Removing all the power scaling or bounty discussion from the subject it’s clear to anybody that these characters cannot be replaced.
Honestly if Luffy were to have like a three commanders type deal, I feel it would be Usopp, Zoro, and Sanji. It would also be interesting to see also if it would be Yamato, Zoro, and Sanji. But there’s no replacing the monster trio for sure.
When I had listened to first few videos of Mr. Morj, I was like wait a minute -this is the broader theme, the reasoning and the moral and........ And I am like here is someone that is speaking the inner thoughts of Oda. Have me chills. But seriously, these videos needs to reach Oda and his editors.
Thank you I never understood how people are so quick to try and replace sanji like he isn’t a day 1 common bruh jimbei cool but the monster trio will always be Luffy, Zoro, Sanji.
Jinbei could be the default 4th strongest guy. I mean, he’s most likely going to match against Jack as fishman vs fishman. While Sanji will fight Queen, another Okama like character. Then Zoro will fight another swordsman in King. And Luffy will fight Kaido. OG Monster Trio still intact.
This makes perfect sense, not sure if Jinbei will fight Jack, but definitely things are going to go in the order of Luffy vs the strongest antagonist of the arc with Zoro Sanji and Jinbei fighting the respective steps down
@@orions2908 yes, I have never seen someone argue jinbei will be 2nd strongest for all time. It is granted that we are speaking of right now Zoro's dream.
@Pawan Reddy i mean he is underrated by oda. Because he gives him that kind of a scared personality like the weakling trio even though he's strong and can fight. Same goes for chopper, he was brave when he joined the crew and than to fit the dynamic of the crew oda made him weak
@Pawan Reddy i like all the strawhats because they all have a ton of potential and i love their backstory and design. But i just don't always like when they act all scared and stuff. They're in the new world at a point which is getting closer to the end of the grand line so they need to be brave
Him, Franky and Robin are monster trio of mid tier group. Usopp, Chopper and Nami being the scared trio and my man Brook is the SOOOUL KING TO THE BONE BAABY!!
Dude! Might be a random thing to highlight but I really dig when you make charts to visualize what you're trying to explain. It works well. Great videoss!
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Jimbe's core importance is not strength, it's his wisdom and sheer clout as one of the most important fishman - a representative of an entire race
Great points 👍🏿
So if he isn’t in the trio or quartet whatever since ace was basically the same strength as him does that mean zoro and sanji are weaker than ace?
Jimbe litteraly tanked Admiral Sakazuki's punch and was a warlord while Sanji was shown to be weaker then Virgo...
sanji is getting stronger jimbei will not hes in his prime sanji is not
So Jimbei is a token.
These all theme and theory videos were just a decoy to draw us in.. Morj has dropped the mask and started talking POWER SCALING!
LOL
He's revealed his true colors
And he's been point on with the powerscaling.
I come from DBZ in the 90’s so for many, many years I’ve discarded power scaling as a not worthwhile topic.
However, Morj and BDA have a good take on it. It’s not some arbitrary number system, or something as myopic as “X beats Y so therefore they defeat Z”, but a look a what’s been established in the lore and what characters have accomplished under that.
gross
Oda actually call zoro the right hand and sanji the left hand on the sbs of the tome 62 or 63 explaining that they should be able to work together because they’re his right and left hand
I checked, It's actually on volume 73
@@Flavio-bn7ne thx
@@roveklenfavri4230 I went on volume 73 I couldn't find it
He made it more obvious after the timeskip by only showing sanji's left eye and zoro's right eye.
@@Yourunkbob yo facts
Mr. Morj's house in the background becomes increasingly nicer and nicer every time lol.
By the time One Piece ends, he'll be making Chapter reviews in Buckingham Palace.
Does he live in England?
@@tresnonugroho6397 he will by the end of one piece 👌
So in about 3-4 years.
Morj will be making videos from the balcony of marijoise
RUclips money coming in clutch lol
Franky was clearly above the monster trio, he was "SUUUUUUUUUPPPEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRR"
SUUUUUUUUUPEEEERRRRRRR weak compared to Zoro and Sanji 😎
Your not funny kid
Real M3 is Franky, Brook, Luffy.
AU
For real He was really fucking strong when he appeared. Sad that he got timeskiped into a square beam shooting tank
I just can't wait until the next One Piece Movie where we'll be able to see Jinbei's dynamic with the whole crew on full display.
one piece movies are hot garbage except that single weird one
@@mellamanq no
Those short episodes that intro the movies with the crew just chilling are some of my favorites. It's so refreshing to have them chat and fool around at sea with no WG or Yonko's bothering them.
@@mellamanq take em as fan service except for 6 (the best one)
@@uhhhfrick9767 literally everyone knows that
It's insane that the Straw Hat Pirates have become so powerful that the addition of a Warlord could very well be a mid-tier acquisition.
We've come a long way from a handful of teenagers sailing in a peaceful sea on the Going Merry, that's for sure.
It's not; its a major acquisition
He equals Ace and was implied to be superior to Hordy, and completly dominating Moria. Even Kid called him a big Deal.
His Bounty is still bigger as everyones except the Captains.
The Question is more, if hes able to keep up, or if he stays at the Level of Introduction and the Rest just grown over him.
Sunaki1000 Considering he is much older than all of them I don’t think he will grow that much more in strength but he is still a MAJOR addition to the crew and brings so much more than just strength. I think Jinbei was commander level pre time skip and he has certainly grown in strength a little since then. And honestly Hordy should never be compared to Jinbei that’s disrespectful, Hordy is fodder and even with all those steroids Jinbei could’ve beaten him and all his officers by himself.
@@jesseljones4991 Also I remember way back when people were talking about Law potentially joining the Straw Hats because he was a tactician. THAT.... That could very well be something Jimbei can do in addition to Helmsman. Everyone on the crew brings their own form of intelligence, but personally I feel Jimbei and Robin bring a lot of wisdom and critical thinking.
@@jesseljones4991 Sure.
Hes a Veteran, I see him and most of the Crew formost as Specialists of there respective Talent. Hes the Helmsman and had a lot of Knowledge and Contacts in the New World. Like a Yakuza Style Mob Boss.
There is, I belife anime Only, a Dickmessuring between Hordy using the one weak Watherattack and Jinbei copying it same Strenge.
That confused me at first, specificaly cause Luffys fight was closer in the Anime, while he completly destroyed Hordy in the Manga.
People often consider Ace below regular Commander, for some Reasons. And he did probably grow after he joined Whitebeard.
I consider Jinbei as at least equal to Pica also DoFlamingos tops, if not as strong as a full fledged Commander.
Zoro and Sanji in the other Hand, I cant see them defeating anyone higher then the Tobiroppo.
King will rater face Marco, how I see it.
But who knows, Zoro didnt go all out against Pica and Sanji got a massive Powerup.
Sidenote, Im a big Jimbei Fan, so if anything I rater tend to overestimate him.
"It wasn't Rayleigh, scopper and this dude->🐟" that was some funny stuff
that actually made me chuckle
Jinbei is the "wise adviser" archetype, he knows about the world and how the New World works more than the rest of the crew does, he is very strong and tactically great but that isn't his purpose in the crew and the monster trio will always be the most powerful fighters and far outgrow his league. He is there to help guide the crew both as the helmsman and as the guy that knows a lot more about the world they are pushing their way into.
Sanji is there to be a cook, not a fighter by your logic he should stay below jinbei.
@@mishoa1 No, sorry to be clearer. I mean that in terms of their purpose in the narrative not their role on the ship, it just happens that Jinbei's role on the ship poetically relates to his role in the story unlike Sanji but anyway. Sanji is the cook, yes, but his actual narrative purpose, is mostly to be part of the monster trio and be a loyal fighter with Luffy and Zoro, that is what he spends his time doing in the story. Jinbei's purpose in the story and the reason I believe Oda is putting him into the crew is that he has a wealth of knowledge so can guide the crew in upcoming arcs with exposition about the New World etc. He isn't there to be a main fighter in the story, he is not there as the guy to grow more awesome and powerful etc. He is there to tell the crew and also the audience more about the New World and guide things that way.
Peter I disagree, jinbei hasn’t even been an official member long enough to pin down his dynamic with the crew. In WCI he was both focused on the helmsmen aspect and being a front line fighter for the straw hats, wano seems to be going to same direction with him being one of the main heavy hitters in the group as well. I’m almost certain that going forward jinbei will be needed to match up against a strong opponents in every arc. Narratively he can represent the experience/wisdom of the crew and be a main fighter just how like Sanji used to get a lot of the stealthy or planning things along with being a fighter. Or Zoro getting a lot of the Vice captain type roles and being a fighter.
@@mishoa1 You could well be right, perhaps I am jumping the gun, it is just a theory of mine. I just feel like he will fight in the same way that Brook, Robin and Franky fight, rather than how the trio do. As in, he will fight if he is needed but I don't think he will be part of the top tier guys, going in first with full fury to kick buns, not the main stage fighters basically. I see him more of a permanent Law-esque figure, planning, giving information as the wise man with a cool head. It just fits the pre-established character more I think than him being part of the true heavy hitters. We will see how it goes when we get there... in a few years from now. If you are right, I'll buy you a beer.
Hans Hanzo I agree
The monster trio will never break. Take the simple fact that all three of them are crazy. Zoro and Sanji go along with any of Luffy's crazy ideas and never try to stop him. Jimbe is a responsible guy with wisdom so he won't be breaking the monster trio.
@Aadikar Bhandari Which part of this made you think that😂.. I love what oda writes.. And I was right Oda himself proved it.. The monster trio is not breaking
i believe that the monster trio rn is jimbe, sanji and zoro. cause rn, luffy's on his own league
Oda has been putting in the work to solidify Jinbei’s place even in this arc. The first crew member he partners with is Robin. This is actually important, because it shows that he’s more of an advisor type than a lieutenant or fighter beside Luffy. Him and Robin specifically can be his intel officers
True, I'm pretty sure he even verbatim says that. I could see him being the support Yonko commander kinda like Marco.
I love Jinbe, i think he's incredibly strong, but from a narrative standpoint, Sanji will always be irreplacable
Fax
Period
Yeah no one does a nosebleed like Sanji - irreplaceable for sure !!
Gaurav Baindur no one else uses sky walk, no one else uses diable jambe, no one else has that rivalry with zoro, sanji is pretty irreplaceable.
@@superjaysilverbird1089 yeah he's been with straw-hats since east blue, no way someone gonna replace him that easily.
Even at Loguetown, it was Zoro and Sanji fighting to save Luffy from execution.
byt jimbei actually saved luffy from akainu. he has helped luffy more than anyone else in the entire series. u guys r sleeping on jimbei
@@tommyvercetti6600 exactly these people are sleeping on jimbei
@@tommyvercetti6600 sanji has saved luffy and the entire crew 3 times 💀 and has been a pillar in almost every arc
ODA portraits zoro and sanji as the two hands of luffy and he will never change that. After the time skip more people says that there are no monster trio like before but they forget that we are in the first act of the new world. This first act will be completed in Wano arc. If you see the travel of zoro and sanji in new world from fishman island to wano you will see that these two guys are the most important after luffy. They beated a pacifista in sabaody like luffy, they protected luffy in fishman island as he was walking to Hody Jones, they fellow two different roads in fights till wano (zoro was fighting against weak opponents, as sanji had clashes against very strong opponents) so we are not aware about their powers till the final fights in wano...they had the longest time to see each other and they met in the middle of a battle when we see all the crew together again...and they were the most wanted men in wano from kaido's men (as the ronin zorojuro and the soba mask)
Exactly. These 3 receive the most action out of every Strawhat so far in Wano
This is the best comment i've read so far like no cap😂 Every other comment is just people roasting each other saying Zoro is this, Sanji's that... who cares no matter what they will always be the two most crucial men that Luffy has.
@@monkeydee i think that everyone os getting it wrong, since each and all members are crucial for luffy. No strawhat can be replaced, they are all (or will be) the best in what they are doing. The only useless strawhat is Zoro, this is why he will be Mihawkish strong as the vice captain.
@@kysa3535 obviously everyone in the straw hat are important but in terms of strength Zoro and Sanji are on top and Luffy is above them both. But of course everyone else is going to be strong in their own way. We shouldn’t underestimate the straw hats anymore especially after wano.
I like zoro and sanji picking up the burden for luffy. They was the only ones who withstood kuma attack
jimbei was the one who stopped akainu's attack to protect luffy from akainu. he also shielded luffy with his own body. jimbei has helped luffy more than anyone else in the entire series.
In the first few minutes you've made me realize something that isn't touched upon often. It's not Luffy and Zoro. It's Luffy, Zoro, *and* Sanji. So often I see people talking about Luffy and Zoro, and then Sanji's an afterthought (how strong is he compared to Zoro and such). People put emphasis on Zoro's loyalty and crap but you pointed it out here. It's not just Zoro picking up when Luffy can't. It's Zoro and Sanji. Even if Zoro was first, Sanji tried to do the same thing Zoro did in Thriller Bark against Kuma.
So I gotta thank you for that. It was so simple. And I was well aware that the Monster Trio existed but people put far more emphasis on Zoro being Luffy's first-mate because Sanji's official role on the crew is the cook.
Sanji always has really good moments through out the series but some people just ignore those moments cuz most of them are not fighting related or something Luffy and Zoro moments overshadowed those moments.
Everyone remember Zoro sacrificed and took Luffy's pain but they forget Sanji going do the same...Even I seen some people say (Sanji would die if he took Luffy's pain but I don't how it's important if he lives or die cuz the main point is, he ready to sacrificed his life for his crew and for his captain).
For those people I have a question...
Tell me if Zoro die after talking Luffy's pain then that make is sacrificed meaningless or more impactfull
@Please Banme Sanji looks way weaker than because Oda makes it seem that way let's be honest he hasn't defeated one person of note and when he finally got his change to shine against page one. Oda makes page one get right back up with no damage while Sanji runs away
@@A_R_I_S_E I honestly feel like sanji could've survived also
Both of them are important but Zoro will always be the right hand
@@joelcoll4034 And Luffy will always have two hands.
So by the end of this arc zoro,sanji and Luffy all are going to get big power up like enies lobby. To bring back the balance to the fandom
They've already gotten big power ups. We just haven't seen the full extent of them. They might get another but right now we don't know what they're capable of as it is.
@@combogalis by power up I mean people have no doubt that they get close to yonko level (Luffy) and yonko commander level(sanji and zoro). People still have doubt whether sanji can defeat queen. You get what I mean. sanji defeating queen, zoro defeating king and Luffy defeating kaido (not fair 1v1). I think sanji is needs a proper power up. Many fans are not satisfied with the germa raid suit power up
hopefully zoro uses asura for the first time after the timeskip
Faded
Plus while he use it he opens his lift eye that’s my theory since forever ago that his lift eye is connected to asura what do you think about my theory ?
@@Mohamad-m7md there is bound to be some reason why his eye is sealed. I always thought that it some test to refine his technique or store some power.
Jinbei: *flirts with Robin*
The Robin fandom: *So you've chosen.... death*
So true
Didn't robin call jimbe "a handsome man" once ?
Actually Robin who flirted with Jinbei Twice
I was more salty that Brook cucked Franky out of his Robin team-up, but Skull Bros before Hoes.
Anyone still remember the scene on punk hazard with robin and Franky in choppers body?
Latest chapter prove him more.
Sanji vs Queen
Jimbei vs Who's who
who's who is no shit tho he is prob 4th strongest member in kaidos crew
@@upsea896 maybe
@@upsea896 ya while Queen in second strongest excluding kaido
I've been saying this since the dumb theory got brought up. Sanji and Zoro will always be by Luffy's side. Not like a yonko crew.
The only thing with the east blue dynamic is I find people take Usopp being the weakest as Usopp being the least capable when the opposite is true. Usopp's role throughout the series has increasingly been despite being the weakest straight up fighter he consistently steps up to make some of the biggest plays in the crew which was finally reflected in his Dressrosa bounty. I feel like Usopp will continue to see stuff like that and be one of the most famous straw hats in the end which makes sense as Usopp doesn't have some grand goal he's basically just trying to be the best pirate he can be despite his weaknesses.
Usopp is the weakest in a straight up encounter but him being a sniper makes him one of the most powerful members.
@@visionaryvjae5641 Yes, well, he's also mentally strong (enough to step up when really needed EVEN if he's weak or is scared).
THAT is his strong point. Not that he's a sniper, there are other characters who fight like that xD
Also jinbei and luffy's dynamic really is different from the one he has with sanji & zoro.
I also think that the fact jinbei joined will let sanji shine more, since he'll less have to worry about the safety of the rest and more focus on his spy/mrprince gimmick, which will be great (like the role jinbei took when luffy jumped through the mirror was basically the same as sanji with the curly hats, maybe with a little less leadership but that's because it was new).
Dudes the perfect covert team would be Sanji, Brook ( he's silent and fast, and he has done it already on Whole cake) and Robin (remember that she used to be an assassin and how effective she could collect information about Orochi plus the fact that her DF is basically built for sneak attacks and retrieving stuff)
@@Ashgrey0 they all dress the most spy like too lol
@@MagillanicaLouM yeah lol all black
True. Luffy respects to jimbi and listens to him.
Ash Grey Ash Grey The Spy Team has already shown in Stampede movie with Sanji, Robin, Brook, Law, and Chopper (tending Law’s wound) having separate team.
They work pretty well, with Sanji giving the order around, Robin & Brook both utilise Ear-Eye Growth and Soul Extension, and Law provides information.
Stampede is basically a fan service that we all want to see 😁
I'm coming back one year later. This video has aged like fine wine
Jinbe be like,"these children and their dynamic, I have no interest in that. I have robin as my dynamic duo."
Talking about dynamics while lowkey hyping up Zoro and Sanji, great video, I'm waiting for the battles at Onigashima to start...
We 1808: hopefully Beethoven is playing this week.
We 2020: hopefully a One Piece chapter this week.
In regards to the "power structure of the Yonko crews having three commanders": people seem to forget, that it was specifically emphasized that Big Mom had four commanders, until a few weeks before the Straw Hats infiltration, so the argument of having three commanders does not apply.
Also Whitebeard had something like 14 commanders; but people only seem to focus on the 1st, 3rd and 5th commanders, for some inexplicable reason..
Bruh the consistent heat Morj be dropping on the One Piece Community is too much for us to handle.
We gotta work on our Haki game...
One of the best OO you tubers by far
Last time the heat was dropping was in 1808 with Beethoven. Here were are 200 years later!
What heat...this dude just implied that Sanji was anywhere near stronger then Jinbei...like lolwut
Completely agree with your arguement. Jinbei's strength is at its peak by one piece age standards and his graph isn't going to increase any more. Meanwhile zoro luffy and sanji are still very young and have much to gain.
Hell Zoro's graph already blew up after getting Enma .... Dude cut a Mountain unintentionally 😂😂
@@satyamst_ *cliffside
@@satyamst_ Then he'll get another power up once he turns all of his blades, Black, permanently.
I think jinbei can an still will grow.
@@abc1234567a1 that could be true. One could say he's nearing his peak but no one can deny that luffy, zoro, sanji, ussopp etc are far from their maximum potential. Jimbei could always become stronger but not nearly as much as the rest of the crew strictly in terms of growth. Imo jimbei's role as a strawhat is literally and figuratively as the helmsman and not a frontier fighter like the monster trio.
Kinda unrelated but I'd like to see more characters joining Kidd and Law's crews, especially Law because they all feel so underwhelming except Killer, Bepo, Jean-Bart and Heat kinda which really makes seems a unbalanced for rival crews, a big part of me has a hard time thinking these guys could ever in a million years beat the strawhats to Laugh Tale. A nice addition in my opinion is to have Yamato join up with Kidd or Law instead because then at the very least we could possibly see them as competitors for who will get to the final island first and it's a massive power boost to their respective crews to equal Jimbe joining the strawhats at the beginning of the raid.
But that's me I feel like they should be perfectly balanced as all things should be.
This!
Yamato is definitely joining the Straw Hats and that’s for the best since she needs an actual story. What Kidd and Law need are characters like the Tobbi Roppo or something, people who exist just for their strength and don’t need to be explored. Maybe even Jack? Or Hawkins.
I agree with you tho, if Oda actually wants us to see these crews as Luffys rival they need something on him. He has a fleet and a better crew, Law has a Bepo? Kidd has Killer and maybe Heat and Wire (who have done nothing) but nothing else. Of course if Oda isn’t actually planning any rivalry here then none of this matters.
Even thematically having the rest of the crew leaving Baratie was symbolizing the “second” first crew member. Doubled down by stripping Luffy down to a barely sea worthy Dingy, just him and Sanji.
Never even thought of that, that's interesting I'd like an elaboration on that more
Thank you Morj for always bringing this FIRE content!!!
8:06 "Based on WHO getS matched up with WHO"
Morj using his future sight to call jimbe fighting Who's Who 😂
*Observation Haki*
Zoro is the black knight of the Straw Hats while Sanji is the white knight of the Straw Hats
Plus, Let's talk about the roles they are given. Say, they get in a fight on Sea. Sanji (Cook) is free at that moment to jump off the ship and fight and Zoro is basically an all-time fighter guy. Whereas Jinbe is supposed to be the Helmsman. He can't leave the Helm and start fighting. That'd be absurd. What he can do is support the Trio by handling the ship and make sure Sunny isn't damaged while the Trio is going CRAZY!
Franky or anybody else really can take over while Jinbei fights. The reason Jinbei is necessary as helmsman is for dangerous situations where the sunny needs to be maneuvered from powerful attacks/hazardous weather. Plus, he can still be one of the main fighters, it's just he stays on the ship to protect everyone.
Monster Trio - Luffy, Zoro, Sanji
Weak Trio - Nami, Usopp, Chopper
Veteran Quartet - Robin, Franky, Brook, Jimbei.
Oof.
I have the impression that by the end of One Piece Usopp will be freaking strong. Probably after Elbaf.
@@aronclaro2133 n o
@@aronclaro2133 I mean, he is pretty strong right now.
@@aronclaro2133 He is already pretty strong. They don't call him God Usopp for nothing
@ Depends what mode he is in. If he is using his strongest form then yeah he definitely would
This discussion was way more insightful than I expected from the title and topic. Keep up the great work!
i love how oda always emphasises on things like the monster trio, zoro being the unspoken first mate, his loyalty to his captain, and other stuff that makes the fans love the straw hats dynamic. when he put the "we three need to split up" at the sabaody arc, he knew exactly what he was doing. and what even better is that we know he is not just doing it because he knows what people want, but simply because he likes it as well. he loves these characters so much. it's like playing with superhero toys with yourself, and that's what he does with the monster trio
It's not everyday that I get to see the perspective of such a long time manga reader, week by week. Definitely include more of such unique insight and state of fanbase in the past! For some reason I found it very, very interesting.
Agreed. Most of these new one piece youtubers are relatively new to the game. So they don't have the foresight nor hindsight of someone whose been apart of the game for many years.
"brook is still improving in his 90s" that caught me off guard not gonna lie lol! All hail old man Brook!
15:14 Man, you had to pick a fishman to really twist that knife 🤣
I can only damn agree with you. There's no way my fave monster trio will be messed up with new additions. Way to go, Mr. Morj.
I love when mr morj comes out with a talkingpoint that I have argued with and fully support. Jinbei isn't breaking this dynamic up and nothing ever will. The 3 will prove themselves a head above even jinbei this arc. This whole discussion that oda has sidelined sanji out of a combat role... or that jinbei or yamato replaces sanji... ridiculous
you're biased
But it is interesting this is the guy that claims Oda hates Sanji somehow, and yet here he's saying Sanji will never be replaced in the Monster Trio, tjhis guy can't have it both ways . For the record I have no issue having the Monster Trio become a monster Quartet and shaking up the status quo is something Oda loves doing so if he feels it's time for that dynamic to be shaken up he's going to do it.
@@Cloud-dt6xb Do you mean Morj's "Sanji the Strawhat Oda hates" video? If you are, Morj actually does the opposite and explains why Oda doesn't hate Sanji in that video.
@@visionaryvjae5641 Then why title the video that way then? Do you have any idea how may people actually run with that stupid claim, I was'nt in the mood to listen to a hate video about it. That title is very misleading and should've been clarified.
@@Cloud-dt6xb because the people in the one piece community thinks oda is hating sanji because of his lack of shine in the new world
Its not because Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji are the og's... its because they are the pillars of HAKI (*Luffy* - will power, aspirations to be strong and protect, and a sense to rise above all, to become KING. *Zoro* - will power, drive, and the ambition to become the absolute STRONGEST. *Sanji* - determination, a dream, and a sense of GENTALMENCY.)
These three are inseparable!
What’s even more, you shouldn’t even use the “bounty” argument for Jimbei either. When Robin was introduced, her bounty was higher than even Zoro’s at the time. So, Jimbei’s bounty currently being second highest in the crew is not indicative of him changing the dynamic of the Monster Trio
No that's exactly why he used it. He is not judging them based on it instead asking us to not judge them based on it.
Kevin Mark I mean that you shouldn’t say the Jimbei is stronger and will shake up the Monster Trio simply because he has a higher bounty. I don’t really know what your point is here.
@@bubbasgotback431 I think I read your comment wrong, interpreting "you" in your first sentence as Mr.Morj instead of the reader. Xd
I just find it funny how Sanji is destined to never have the second highest bounty in the crew. For the longest time he had the fourth highest one and just when it seemed like he is gonna have the second highest one, surpassing Zoro, Jimbei joins the crew with his 470M bounty and drops him back to third place XD
Real talk though, Robin SHOULD still have a higher bounty than Zoro and even Jinbe, she's still the biggest offender of the "threat level to the world govt/their agenda" requirement lol. Mad they just threw 1mil on her after Enies Lobby like she forgot how to read poneglyphs or something. Her personal goals directly go against them the most still. I would only say to keep it lower than Luffy's cause Captain and all that.
THANK YOU
I was thinking the same thing
So glad you made a video on this topic
The moment you explain that the strawhats should be compared to rogers crew who had a right and left hand i could almost hear the mic drop. You are astonishingly good at taking such a complex story, making it simple, and then conveying your thoughts to a wide audience. It's a skill that you should be proud of. You are my favorite youtuber, period. Not just one piece youtuber, but in general. I am really glad you started uploading more regularly. Good job buddy.
Everything you said makes sense. Character power relative to story progression, growth potential, and parallels to other crews.
Jinbei is bound to meet a similar fate as Franky and Robin.
There's just one potential Strawhat candidate you entirely forgot about that would throw the Monster Trio dynamic on its head:
The epitome of high potential, the legend, *Sogeking,* rejoining the crew.
Then again, him joining would make little sense.
Oda probably made him leave the crew _precisely because_ his power level clearly clashed with the monster trio, destroying this pivotal dynamic.
@@LinkEX Had to take him out of the verse or else his power would be over 9000.
I know it is a joke but I really think Usopp will be freaking strong by the end of One Piece. Probably by Elbaf.
yes im watching this again 10 months later
and yes im still audibly saying "damn u right" or "oooohhh good point" lmao
Me too :)
Me: clicks video
“What is he talking about”
20minutes later
“This guy is a genius”
Me in this guy every video xd.
Always has been🔫
I’ve said this for a while. Jinbei was too strong to join the Strawhats during Fishman Island. It makes sense that he’d join officially once Zoro and Sanji leveled up a bit.
Even over 2 years later just look at zoro and sanji vs king and queen that's all you need to see
Sorry, but Zoro and Sanji can't be Luffy's Right and Left hand men.
Sanji only fights with his feet and Zoro doesn't know his directions
Why doesn't this have more likes?
Pls let this comment trigger the start of many likes. Cos you deserve it.
Haha I like that
You Had Me In The First Half
This is a great analysis! Mr. Morj you do a wonderful job taking your emotions and love of this series out of your theories. Keep up the great work!
Wow, the first half of the video I was thinking & comparing this to when Robin joined the crew - and then Morj addressed it in the second half lol.
(& I also became a weekly reader in Enies Lobby, possibly where the shared perspective comes from as Morj said). :^)
This makes me think much as jimbe has joined we should get some characterization of him just like with Robin and Franky. I feel like we know a lot about him but at the same time we don't. Curious to see his interactions with Big Mom.
i love that you are posting almost on a regular bases now
Who else is here after the recent chapters and realized Morj was right?
Luffy: awakening
Sanji: Germa lineage
Zoro: Conqueror’s coating? Enma?
Finally a man of culture who puts Zoro and Sanji on the same level (not in strenght obviously)
At the beginning I was like "someone cares seriously ?".
Then your explanation ended and I was like "this is actually an interesting topic".
Congrats for that
I only came to see Because it's Morg😁
Good video. I can completely see where you are coming from. Thanks for the time and effort in making this video possible.
A little off topic, but while I’m glad jinbe joined the crew I hated how long it took for him to even join. Oda should’ve just let him join during whole cake island
Oda did that just so Jinbe would join around his birthday. Oda and these special dates man...
Zoro and Sanji needed to get an upgrade first before Oda could let Jinbei in otherwise they will just get overshadowed strengthwise by Jinbei.
IRA-BIM I think they have, Zoro has Enma and Sanji has Raidsuit
Whole crew had to be together. No new member is added while they arent a collective
Narratively it was probably better off he was this late to joining to be fair, since we saw with Kawamatsu, Fishmen stick out in Wano, and Jinbe would be quite the stand out figure around, so to keep things under wraps regarding the plans and stuff he really wouldnt have been able to be active anyways.
My man, clarifying the depths of my favourite adventure without destroying the fantasy and expectations well at least leaving me with my own differing opinion while I completely agree with this vid, keep it up.🤣
Oda literally waited until Zoro and sanji got their power ups to let Jimbe join the crew
because he doesnt want to break the monster trio, ofcourse, it makes sense!
Very good point
I've been avoiding your channel and videos even though they were being recommended all the time. After seeing this video, I am now a fan. Very well said! I don't know why Jimbei is so glorified. Those who argue against the original monster trio should think twice.
Jimbei is the only one who is so obsessed with Luffy, and he never needed Luffy's saving/ help. Plus, his addition to the crew will dilute the already limited attention to the other straw hats. Honestly, there's hardly going to be any growth for Jimbei, and I don't look forward to his growth at all. I was absolutely disappointed when Oda made Jimbei part of the crew. Carrot is at least more interesting...
@@reubenchoong6128 Jinbei is necessary for the crew because he's a helmsman, and without one they won't be able to navigate through the last section of the new world.
I think Jimbei will be a bit of a mentor and a source of wisdom for the crew seeing as how he’s middle aged and a veteran of the new world , and I also see him keeping everyone together while the monster trio go out and do their thing as bit of logistics role or a “vice captain” role and yea I know that belongs to zoro but there is no official role of the vice so Jimbei could fill that role in when needed with the weaker members like with whole Cake Island
Call me crazy, but I think Jinbei makes more sense in a trio with Robin and Franky.
As he said i have read the manga for a lon time and thought franky was gonna be zoro level at least.im still salty his bounty is so low and hes not that close to monster trio
People seem to forget that Sanji was the acting captain for like a third of the crew for like two years’ worth of chapters. It’s sort of insane to think that he’d be permanently displaced by Jinbe when being third in command is literally such a core part of his character that it’s built into his name.
Also idk how people overlook the fact that Jinbe was only incorporated into the full crew after Zoro and Sanji received significant new additions to their fighting styles and were given a couple of weeks to figure things out. While both of these were sort of obtained in “rough” forms (Zoro received a non-blackened Enma and Sanji a raid-suit that he wanted heavily modified respectively) I think it’s more than clear that even if Jinbe is stronger than them now they both have plenty of room to grow in Wano (and in all honesty should walk away from this arc approaching “commander level”, as from here on they’ll be up against nothing but top-tiers)
The way I see it Jinbe’s role in the story has always been that of someone Luffy can consistently depend on in a way that differs from Sanji’s last-minute saves or Zoro’s enduring sense of trust. During his introduction Ace literally told Jinbe to look after Luffy. Then he saved Luffy’s life at Marineford and helped him come to terms with Ace’s death. He gave Luffy a blood transfusion on fishman island. He stayed behind to hold off the Big Mom pirates so Luffy could escape. And now as an official crew member his role in combat will probably be dedicated to enemies who are too strong for Usopp/Nani/Chopper but not powerful enough to be used as a vehicle for Sanji or Zoro to meaningfully progress. Jinbe’s role up until this point has been as a reliable person for Luffy and the others to fall back on, and I feel like this implies that the challenges Oda writes for him will be more about being able to clear needless obstacles and support his friends in new ways rather than brute force progression.
I wish I saw this comment last month. Love your reasoning its very well thought out and opens up my perspective
It really comes down to the Monster Trio's desire to win. The Ability to never give up. Also the Monster Trio is just stronger.
Morj: Why Jinbei is never joining...
Me: Wtf Morj he is already in
Morji: ...the monster trio
Me: Okay, okay then. Please continue, Morj-san.
Even Though ussop is portrayed as the weakest or one of the weakest strawhats. He's always with Zoro and sanji as in terms of Potential. To me Oda makes him the weakest because he has the weakest mindset. but in reality Ussop will become the 4th strongest in terms of Skill. He unlocked his observation and you would think that He would atleast learn to control it. I think that Ussop will gain a 2 Boosts in the same arc in the future and that Will be Mastery of his basic Observation haki and A New Weapon that Compliments His Pop greens and maybe sea stone Bullets. Something more Manly like a Mini Sniper. This will help Provide more character development to ussop and help him gain Confidence as the Support fighter
Jinbe probably won't get stronger than he is now. Luffy, Zoro and Sanji get more powerful every time they're on panel. edit: caught up to the bit where you hit that point. Yup.
Agreed. Jimbei is in his Prime already while the other three can still progress
Him not getting stronger is baseless. Jinbe isn't even in his prime yet considering oda himself said humans live to about 140 and we have no reason to believe fishmen don't share lifespans.
@@oof6184 there is even no need for jimbei becoming stronger cuz he is already strong enough to compete against most new world calibers. He is already a big fish (no pun intended) the reaction of law and Kid joining luffy speaks for itself.
@@bilegsaikhan1902 if him being decently strong already is your only reasoning then I could say sanji won't get stronger and it's just as accurate. Zoro Is the only one who has a goal that requires him to get stronger than his wano self.
@@oof6184 It would be very strange if Jinbe suddenly had a growth in power after spending so long as an established powerful character in the world. Would you expect Marco, if he were to join the SHs, to suddenly begin an upward curve of power? It would be weird. Yamato on the other hand I could see joining and getting more powerful as the story progresses, because she hasn't begun her journey.
Depending on how the story goes, Jinbe could be part of a “Dynamic Duo” with Robin.
They’re the most seasoned, and mature of the group. I think those 2 have a unique niche in the crew.
Jinbe is a way more experienced and stronger fighter and pirate, I don't they belong in the same class AT ALL.
Robin is mature and really smart and her skillset is quite different.
Robin has the same role in paradise just as jimbei is to the new world. Robin has many knowledge about pirates and the world but was replaced by jimbei in the new world which makes sense since he has FAR more experience. Robin in the other hand, was given another significant role of reading poneglyph. It is not much but it is implied that SH will not be the pirate king without robin
Brooke and Franky would be the "Dumbass Duo"
@@redmangoose182 In what world is Franky a dumbass? He may be goofy, but the man is a legitimate genius, master engineer, and probably the best shipwright on the seas. Even pre-skip he was building extremely impressive technology, and post-skip he's been able to understand and reproduce Vegapunk tech and incorporate it into his designs. He's not an idiot by any stretch.
@@WhistleDungeon I think you're overreacting, I think he just means that both Franky and Brook are the goofy trio. Brook's not a dumbass either, he ain't a genius, but he's not retarded.
The way I look at it Jimbe won’t be getting much stronger he’s reached his prime while Sanji and Zoro will get stronger and stay above the rest
This is the answer right here. I wanted to see if somebody was on my wavelength.
God You mean floating in space for 50 years Brook? You mean Post Death Prestige Brook? The argument wouldn’t be is Jimbe not strong enough... I think he’s already strong, it’s just Sanji and Zoro are 21 compared to 44.
God I see your point but you misunderstand mine it’s less about his age and more about his skill ceiling he is much closer to his peak then Zoro and Sanji hence they have a lot more room for growth than jimbe does.
God brook was stuck vibing on a boat for god knows how long lol. Jinbei was out fucking people up as a warlord, building experience and shit in the new world. He hasn’t gotten dramatically stronger in the timeskip either. It just doesn’t make logical sense for him to be like “oh power boost” after joining
This is exactly why I’m subscribed. He actually goes into VAST detail as opposed to others when it comes to one piece
I think Brother Jimbei has kind of peaked/in his prime now. While the Trio are still young & growing.
The vibe and emotion the monster trio give in tough situation sure brings tears of pride... especially when Sanji changes the game in strawhats favor
Also jimbei gives some reliable, responsable father figure vibes, I feel like he will become some sort of elder, sage (much needed lol) figure for the crew
A figure that probably will not mess with the monster rascal trio, as you said
You can tell from the insta dislikes that Jinbei has a LOT of fans lmao
I love Jinbei lmao but the character dynamic is way more set in stone and unrelated to actual power levels
Do you expect for Jinbei to have a small fanbase you utter fool? (The dislikes are from edgy people not the majority of the fanbase)
Jimbe is one of the most popular characters in the series. Not surprised.
@@Dreamfillah it only relates to power levels. Nami didn't call them monsters because of their dynamic but because no one on the crew could make a fight higher than mid diff against them.
@@oof6184 I'm talking about the meta concept of the monster trio as a characterisation device, which is likely infinitely more enjoyable to Oda than considering the Straw Hat's power dynamic.
Man your analysis are really good, plain straight forward, no irrelevant overthinking and very logical. Great content
Great background, lighting and camera that make you more convincing/professional paired with a shity mic that makes you more relatable/grounded.
Mr Morj never fails to make me cry when discussing the OG East Blue crew. Usopp and Sanji are my favorite characters in this story and personally I am somewhat willing to not give Jinbe access to the coveted spot.
In fact, he might be better suited to be the Grand Fleet’s Commander in Chief. If Luffy was the Admiral/Fleet Captain, then of course Jinbe with the most advisorial experience would be most fit in this occupation. The only one that has this is Zoro with foreshadowing because he drank the Sake but I find that hard to consolidate with his character.
Either way though, unfortunately the powerscaling has left more to be desired.
Jinbe is the second strongest in the crew. I would even argue during Fishman Island he should have been above Luffy still even with Gear Fourth.
He has fought Ace with his DF for five days, held back Big Mom who no one else could do anything with. He was strong enough to block Sakazuki’s punch to at least stop him from hurting Ace further and break into the Palace where the other Big Mom Officers were, not including the at the time currently distracted Smoothie, currently bedridden Cracker and AFK, Seeing the Future Katakuri who was not present until the Party.
Jinbe has the the second highest showing of feats. In fact, I sort of like to dislike that the powerscaling even within the monster trio was as controversial as you framed it.
Franky was also stronger then Luffy, although that one was by a hair, Luffy got stronger. In fact, since Luffy lacks thought bubbles, you can imply when he said ‘There is a new trick I wanna try’ was when both Sanji and Zoro were foreshadowed to have developed something themselves.
What happened then? They developed techniques to curb the gap.
Now this is featless Zoro and Sanji, but I doubt they will somehow ascend to Admiral/Low Tier Yonko Level because they are Luffy’s right and left hand. Which okay fair, but it is not enough to have Franky get to Second Commander Level or even Third.
Buuuuuut I did cry when I read those one piece chapter scans like I always do. I have been reading since Saobody Archipelago and I probably picked the one arc that shaped me the most.
You have also mentioned the alliance would be a failure in another video but I guess a food for thought, if Zoro and Sanji did somehow overtake Jinbe, it would likely be at the first failure and had to improve their techniques from both the timeskip era and new world era.
In short, while I tend to dislike the grouping of the monster trio especially since Luffy appears like a genuine monster via feats while the other two have sort of been rising, but unable to keep up so far. The Straw Hat Crew is not supposed to be Top Heavy like Kaido. Jinbe however is both top heavy and mind heavy. He is arguably the most experienced member of the crew since Franky was just a builder and Brook was shipwrecked in an ocean for fifty years.
He can be...well, anything. We just dont know. But the feats dont lie, he is still the second strongest in the crew. Could he dip to say third or fourth? Sure.
But no lower. Absolutely not.
Zoro and sanji are two subordinates closer to their captain, as opposed to 3 subordinates far away from their captain.
That’s what makes luffy special
morj with the greatness yet again
u never fails to impress me
EXACTLY. I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU ON THIS ONE.
It is totally my conclusion in my head for a long time, and it never fails me. It is a literature technique that a high-end writer would probably come up with, whether he is consciously doing it or not. But it is exhausted to debate with the "speculator". You lay it out in well and organized structure and reasoning. You once again amazed me.
Jimbri and Robin are the Straw Hat's dad and mom.
I know in a lot of your uploads I’ve been negative towards your current one piece discussions. I highly doubt you even noticed. But unequivocally you’re right about this. From a story and even from a narrative perspective, no matter how strong or potentially busted a crewmate is, the Monster Trio will ALWAYS BE that trio. Removing all the power scaling or bounty discussion from the subject it’s clear to anybody that these characters cannot be replaced.
Few years later, in hindsight, you will look at your current thumbnails and say, "Wow! People clicked on these?!"
Best One Piece RUclipsr, thank you for bringing measured thought and analysis to the community.
make sense, this video is actually made me subscribe your channel. great insight man!
nice content. you earned my subscription and respect.
Jinbei is indeed strong but he can't replace or even join the monster trio..
Honestly if Luffy were to have like a three commanders type deal, I feel it would be Usopp, Zoro, and Sanji. It would also be interesting to see also if it would be Yamato, Zoro, and Sanji. But there’s no replacing the monster trio for sure.
When I had listened to first few videos of Mr. Morj, I was like wait a minute -this is the broader theme, the reasoning and the moral and........ And I am like here is someone that is speaking the inner thoughts of Oda. Have me chills.
But seriously, these videos needs to reach Oda and his editors.
Thank you I never understood how people are so quick to try and replace sanji like he isn’t a day 1 common bruh jimbei cool but the monster trio will always be Luffy, Zoro, Sanji.
Forget the Monster Trio, I'm all about Robin and Boss Jimbei. The only two adults on the crew.
Jinbei could be the default 4th strongest guy. I mean, he’s most likely going to match against Jack as fishman vs fishman. While Sanji will fight Queen, another Okama like character. Then Zoro will fight another swordsman in King. And Luffy will fight Kaido.
OG Monster Trio still intact.
This makes perfect sense, not sure if Jinbei will fight Jack, but definitely things are going to go in the order of Luffy vs the strongest antagonist of the arc with Zoro Sanji and Jinbei fighting the respective steps down
Jinbei is the 2nd strongest right now
@@CVLFMG key words being "right now"
@@orions2908 yes, I have never seen someone argue jinbei will be 2nd strongest for all time. It is granted that we are speaking of right now Zoro's dream.
@@CVLFMG can't wait for few chapters from now where that's not true any more lol
10:15 basically Jimbei will get surpass by Zoro and Sanji or even worse put into the sidelines like Franky and Robin
And brook. Imo he is the most underrated strawhat
@@Benadav7 I think Brook got a lot of screen time in Whole Cake Island. Feels like ages since i saw Franky and Robin doing cool stuff.
@Pawan Reddy i mean he is underrated by oda. Because he gives him that kind of a scared personality like the weakling trio even though he's strong and can fight. Same goes for chopper, he was brave when he joined the crew and than to fit the dynamic of the crew oda made him weak
@Pawan Reddy i like all the strawhats because they all have a ton of potential and i love their backstory and design. But i just don't always like when they act all scared and stuff. They're in the new world at a point which is getting closer to the end of the grand line so they need to be brave
Him, Franky and Robin are monster trio of mid tier group. Usopp, Chopper and Nami being the scared trio and my man Brook is the SOOOUL KING TO THE BONE BAABY!!
With my future sight I could already see that this video was 🔥🔥🔥 so I liked in advance
Dude! Might be a random thing to highlight but I really dig when you make charts to visualize what you're trying to explain. It works well. Great videoss!