As a retired RFS Captain and farmer I believe in clips for when you have access a paddock to put out a fire and release stock from a paddock to save them. Cutting clips doesn't distroy the fence and reinstating a lot easier.
Good video Tim. Always tie wire onto gal posts. Never use clips. 6 or 7 inches 2mm softish wire, through hole cross over and put wire between cross, and twitch both ends. Wire does not touch post. Additional tip is don't hammer post all the way in until bottom wire tied on, then use hammer to tap in final 3 or 4 inches. Cheers
Years ago before pre- fabricated rolls of wire like Cylone Ringlock and HingeJoint sheep fencing was made with rabbit or sheep netting or multiple plain wires only .The netting was clipped with Gerrard clips or tied with thin plain wire to usually three plain wires. So in those days it was tempting to run the plain wire through the holes of the star picket to save time and ties. Running plain wire through holes in star pickets has never been recommended by Rylands Brothers/ Cyclone / Lysaght/ Boral Cyclone/ AWI / BHP Wire / Waratah.
I was taught that due to the holes in the steel post are punched the burr that is left scratches of the gal as you run the wire through. It’s clips for me all the time!!
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You made some very valid and smart points there. I've been running it through the holes but moving forward I've started to run outtie due to time it takes. I do find it hold just as well, but in saying that running inside the hole gives the fence a cleaner finish. I do think you are correct in saying that we've just done what we did years ago with the split post. Cheers
These days we use mainly the waratah jio posts as we can tie 5-6 posts in the time we can twitch off on conventional post, even quicker with clipex posts. The other bonus is the wire is loose to move through the clip. We still get farmers wanting the wire through the holes and some fencers still swear by it but the guys I learned off in the early 90's use to cut small bits of wire and twitch the wire to the front of the post weather it was a hardwood split or star picket.
I'm a townie and a complete noob at fencing. That said, when I am on farm with Blaze Aid (starting again next week in Lismore) every fence I work on uses clips. That's cattle (both beef and dairy), horses and even deer sometimes. Obviously it applies to sheep mesh but in ten years I am yet to have a farmer ask me for "four plain and one barb" that does not use clips.
Add in the speed of putting the posts out. Just run the wire, tension it a bit and there is your line for the fence. No more having two people out there, left a bit, no your left, no, right, back... OK, there. Just pace it out and smack them in along the wire.
Hi Tim, in terms of tightness of the clip/twitch, I recall your video in sheep fencing where you stress not to overdrive staples, and noticed when installing waratah "clips" they wrap on pretty tight so you can't get the full suspension effect. I then tried using the applicator tool just barely over the end of the clip instead of right close to the line wire, results in a loose wrap. It might be a tiny bit fiddlier, but see what you think.
One positive if you are running through the hole is that regardless of which side your stock is on they won't pop a staple or tie so less stress on the fence as well. But honestly, the benefits of running a single strand through a hole vs mesh or barb, doesn't even come close to outweighing the cost of replacing a tie.
For fencing hilly country much easier to run plain through the holes and then strain up correct tension. If you put 1.3kn on a wire and try tie it off to each post if it’s very hilly it won’t reach
I agree, this is a major point I think Tim misses addressing in this vid. Fine if you're straining on a single gradient but even one dip in the run will make it a pain to tie down (and you can't really strain wire after clipping with tight twitching. On the other hand I've scraped off HEAPS of galvanising by pulling wire through holes in rough terrain. Best just to buy flat land?!
I prefer the outy method but if I'm short on time I use the inny method and ring staple the sheep mesh to the plain wire. One day I'll lose that time with interest though.
It's a bit of a silly argument really. I run the wires on the side with the holes as this is what the clips are designed to fit. Some swear by the other side with the two fins as they think this bends the wire less. But if the wire is correctly tensioned and the post spacing is 4-5m the amount of flex is negligable. SO it's a "my dad always...." kind of argument that you will never win with very little to gain.
I have been using a clipex metal posts with single wires, some are electric. They have a locking cam that can be opened to remove the wire. So I simply tension and push into the post, should a dum sheep get its head stuck in its easy to unclip and send it on its way. Tried many things over years and this works for me
In this case tim you are wrong mate. Always inside the holes makes it easier to restrain the fence. And yes I have cattle. But everyone has a different way of doing things.
As a retired RFS Captain and farmer I believe in clips for when you have access a paddock to put out a fire and release stock from a paddock to save them. Cutting clips doesn't distroy the fence and reinstating a lot easier.
Awesome channel bud. I’m no farmer but live on an old bull farm so repairs galore and I’m learning a lot from you. Thanks buddy. Nz fan.
Good video Tim. Always tie wire onto gal posts. Never use clips. 6 or 7 inches 2mm softish wire, through hole cross over and put wire between cross, and twitch both ends. Wire does not touch post. Additional tip is don't hammer post all the way in until bottom wire tied on, then use hammer to tap in final 3 or 4 inches. Cheers
Years ago before pre- fabricated rolls of wire like Cylone Ringlock and HingeJoint sheep fencing was made with rabbit or sheep netting or multiple plain wires only .The netting was clipped with Gerrard clips or tied with thin plain wire to usually three plain wires. So in those days it was tempting to run the plain wire through the holes of the star picket to save time and ties. Running plain wire through holes in star pickets has never been recommended by Rylands Brothers/ Cyclone / Lysaght/ Boral Cyclone/ AWI / BHP Wire / Waratah.
Have a look how much gal is pulled of the wire when pulling wire through the hole
I was taught that due to the holes in the steel post are punched the burr that is left scratches of the gal as you run the wire through. It’s clips for me all the time!!
Love, Love, LOVE YOUR most EXCELLENT information, opinions and videos that show and tell us EVERYTHING we need to know about fencing! I can’t tell you how much you have helped me as a single person working on the farm, needing HELP that makes sense and SOLVES problems! You’re so AWESOME, Tim! 🙏💕👍Thanks!
The answer is Easy Lock clips developed in Kilcoy QLD. Barbed or plain wire can run through the clip. I love them!
Since watching your clips I have started running wires outside and clipping. So much easier.
You made some very valid and smart points there. I've been running it through the holes but moving forward I've started to run outtie due to time it takes. I do find it hold just as well, but in saying that running inside the hole gives the fence a cleaner finish. I do think you are correct in saying that we've just done what we did years ago with the split post. Cheers
These days we use mainly the waratah jio posts as we can tie 5-6 posts in the time we can twitch off on conventional post, even quicker with clipex posts. The other bonus is the wire is loose to move through the clip.
We still get farmers wanting the wire through the holes and some fencers still swear by it but the guys I learned off in the early 90's use to cut small bits of wire and twitch the wire to the front of the post weather it was a hardwood split or star picket.
Outside always on our place, for all the reasons you mentioned. Also lets the kids contribute by wrapping the clips...once and never too tight.
I'm a townie and a complete noob at fencing. That said, when I am on farm with Blaze Aid (starting again next week in Lismore) every fence I work on uses clips. That's cattle (both beef and dairy), horses and even deer sometimes. Obviously it applies to sheep mesh but in ten years I am yet to have a farmer ask me for "four plain and one barb" that does not use clips.
Add in the speed of putting the posts out. Just run the wire, tension it a bit and there is your line for the fence.
No more having two people out there, left a bit, no your left, no, right, back... OK, there. Just pace it out and smack them in along the wire.
Hi Tim, in terms of tightness of the clip/twitch, I recall your video in sheep fencing where you stress not to overdrive staples, and noticed when installing waratah "clips" they wrap on pretty tight so you can't get the full suspension effect. I then tried using the applicator tool just barely over the end of the clip instead of right close to the line wire, results in a loose wrap. It might be a tiny bit fiddlier, but see what you think.
One positive if you are running through the hole is that regardless of which side your stock is on they won't pop a staple or tie so less stress on the fence as well. But honestly, the benefits of running a single strand through a hole vs mesh or barb, doesn't even come close to outweighing the cost of replacing a tie.
Thanks, do you have any videos on installing steel 80 posts with bent struts, l am in sandy soil, south coast WA.
There's extra time spent tying wires to a post, where wire run through the post is simply strained tight. Six of one , a half dozen of the other
You walk the fence once to tie 6 wires. 6 times to run individual wires, so yeah, six of one is spot on hahaha 🤔
What are your (and others') thoughts on clipex fencing?
For fencing hilly country much easier to run plain through the holes and then strain up correct tension. If you put 1.3kn on a wire and try tie it off to each post if it’s very hilly it won’t reach
I agree, this is a major point I think Tim misses addressing in this vid. Fine if you're straining on a single gradient but even one dip in the run will make it a pain to tie down (and you can't really strain wire after clipping with tight twitching. On the other hand I've scraped off HEAPS of galvanising by pulling wire through holes in rough terrain. Best just to buy flat land?!
There should be a rubber grommet that you can slide onto the wire and push into the hole like a cork with a slit in it down it's length 👍👍👍
I prefer the outy method but if I'm short on time I use the inny method and ring staple the sheep mesh to the plain wire. One day I'll lose that time with interest though.
What are your thought on which side of the star picket to run the wire? I was taught to do it on the double side.
It's a bit of a silly argument really. I run the wires on the side with the holes as this is what the clips are designed to fit. Some swear by the other side with the two fins as they think this bends the wire less. But if the wire is correctly tensioned and the post spacing is 4-5m the amount of flex is negligable. SO it's a "my dad always...." kind of argument that you will never win with very little to gain.
What side of the steel picket do you run the wire?
TT all your fencing clips are around 1m in high
I like to see technics how will you install fence n barbed wire on 1.8 high fence
only time to go through the hole is with porcelain insulators.
Anyone have any idea how long galvanized steel posts would last in coastal environment? And also compared to painted steel posts?
I have been using a clipex metal posts with single wires, some are electric. They have a locking cam that can be opened to remove the wire. So I simply tension and push into the post, should a dum sheep get its head stuck in its easy to unclip and send it on its way. Tried many things over years and this works for me
It's a no brainer I think
What holes in post?
barbed wire wont run through the holes
Yes. My point exactly.
@@FarmLearningTim Nice show of restraint there Tim..😏
In this case tim you are wrong mate. Always inside the holes makes it easier to restrain the fence. And yes I have cattle. But everyone has a different way of doing things.
That we do. Makes life more interesting eh?