The funny thing is that according to German Combat reports, ME262's MK-108 30mm cannon's 30x90mm HE Shells(Mostly, also have armour piercing etc) are more than capable of taking down most of the single-engine fighters at that time WITH A SINGLE HIT(4-8 rounds to take down 4-engine bombers like B17/B24), including any variant of P51... Where as in 00:51, that P51 took at least 6 round of it... and these 30mm impact just looks like German MG13(13mm) or even just MG17s mounted on ME109 variants.... The accuracy of the movie is even more questionable in 2:47 when both aircraft charge head-on... The impact of of shells from 262 literally looks like standard MG17 bullet's impact, and the pilot took at least 4 of those 30mm(maybe just shrapnels since there's engine and glass in front of him taking the direct hit from the shell )..... If it's in reality that P51 gonna get tear up into parts right at the moment those 30mms land on any parts of it, and if pilot took just one round directly(and it detonated successfully), that poor bastard's whole upper body should be gone(yep that's the actual impact of a bloody 30mm high-explosive/armour piercing shell)...... But yeah, its Hollywood so I get it :/
Thats right as the germans in ww2 are simply not allowed to win anything as it wouldnt be accurate because the allies won. The Nazis did nothing right and had even worse accurasy than stormtoopers what litterally every D-Day movie shows as the germans at best kill like 10 soldier or only just wound them.I mean its not like germany completly overrun poland belgium, netherlands and france and took a giant part of the ussr. But the germans are not capable at anything in ww2 because americans are unstoppable and literally god so you cant heart them and when you say something against that you are at least a nazi and a commie as well. By the way Bitain almost lost the battle of britain if Hitler wasnt so stupid to try to bomb London to the gound instead of attacking airfields and industry after churchill ordered a bomb run on berlin to make hitler angry.
fun fact the worlds greatest ace(i forgot his name) was a German pilot never once got shot down he did have to make 14 emergency landings but not cause of enemy fire, instead he would wait until he was about 20m away from his target then open fire which essentially instantly shredded the enemy however the debris would break his plane. I'm saying this cause this part 2:52 reminded me of him edit: the ace i am talking about his Eric Heartmann who is considered the "ace of aces"
@jaydee040 But the fact that the p51 was faster in the dive did not help at all in dogfight. The Me262 only had a really vulnerable moment that was at the time of landing and in fact was where most of the victories over those planes were achieved
@@gorgi7009 flak vest only protects the pilot from fragments not hits. Also if it’s the plane that gets hit by 30mm, the vest won’t matter. The aircraft will be shredded.
@@ariq4209 dude the fuckin pilot would have basically exploded, when they tested a bf-109s 20 mm cannons on a spits wing it completely exploded it off so imagine what a 30 mm will do to a mustang 😬
(lyrics) Things we lost to the flames Things we'll never see again All that we've amassed Sits before us, shattered into ash These are the things, the things we lost The things we lost in the fire, fire, fire These are the things, the things we lost The things we lost in the fire, fire, fire We sat and made a list Of all the things that we have Down the backs of table tops Ticket stubs and your diaries, I read them all one day When loneliness came and you were away Oh they told me nothing new But I love to read the words you used These are the things, the things we lost The things we lost in the fire, fire, fire These are the things, the things we lost The things we lost in the fire, fire, fire I was the match and you were the rock Maybe, we started this fire We sat apart and watched All we had burned on the pyre You said, "We were born with nothing And we sure as hell have nothing now" You said, "We were born with nothing And we sure as hell have nothing now" These are the things, the things we lost The things we lost in the fire, fire, fire These are the things, the things we lost The things we lost in the fire, fire, fire Do you understand that we will never be the same again Do you understand that we will never be the same again The future's in our hands and we will never be the same again The future's in our hands and we will never be the same again These are the things, the things we lost The things we lost in the fire, fire, fire These are the things, the things we lost The things we lost in the fire, fire, fire These are the things, the things we lost These are the things we lost in the fire fire fire Flames they licked the walls Tenderly they turned to dust all that I adore
262s were less maneuverable and lost alot of speed when turning p-51s also had better acceleration, the 262 was very flawed and it's pilots were inexperienced
Actually that's not true. 262s had extremes flaws in their technolgical designs. P-51's were still far superior aircrafts during the time. Matter a fact, 262s are still rated fairly low as a "powerful plane". P-51's would be a better option in combat if you were in WW2.
@@goldenhawk352 I won't explain all the flaws of a 262 but the biggest one was that manuvering such an aircraft was exetremly difficult at those times, P-51s used that to their advantage as seen in the movies Red Tails. Sure a 262 moves a lot faster but it can't dodge fighter aircrafts easily. 262 was originally planned as a bomber plane, but lacking many tools, completeing bombing missions was difficult and it was redesigned as a fighter. But still as a fighter the 262 still had many flaws in it's design. The only reason 262 stood a chance was basically it's speed and guns. Everything else about the aircraft but complete utter trash.
Yes, learn history. In the head-on attack, the combined closing speed of about 720 mph ~1.200 km/h was way too high for accurate shooting. All the MK 108 could only fire about 44 shells per second (650 rounds/min from each cannon). Even from astern the closing speed was so great, that at maximum speed the ME 262 had less then two seconds time to shoot. And that is just the theoretical time, because the ME 262 would ram its target if the pilot uses the entire 2 seconds for shooting, while he is in range. Only with advanced tactics and missiles as armament was a braking before the attack no longer necessary. But even these advances couldn't compensate the lack of training of German pilots and so they were still possible to fight. Even Soviet IL 2 Sturmoviks have shot down three ME-262s and they are not even half as fast as the ME-262 and actually pure ground attack aircrafts.
Yep definitely the p 51 is faster than a me 262 in a dive even if the 262 was farther ahead the p 51's 50.cals had at least 1200 yards extra firing range than the 262s 30'mm cannons
Yeah. Gotta love ‘Murican propoga- I mean engineering! Willing to bet those Me-262 engines would have instantly choked and died if they’d flown through a light cloud.
Yeah I was saying this in the context that those shells didn't even knock him out, and I also guess they were all dud shells cause they didn't detonate
Ok as a study of WW2 I’ll toss this out there for anyone wanting authenticity. The ME-262 appeared far too late in the war to have a significant impact on things, air combat losses were actually pretty low. The 262 pilots were advised to not stick it it out in ACM with escort fighters . They were advised to approach front on and as fast as possible. They would in essence “ boom and zoom” denying the escorts the chance to engage them. Dogfights did happen but it was the exception not the rule. The ME-262 actually had slow responding throttles, and mishandled throttles often resulted in flame outs. The Germans tended to build 262 units from the most experienced combat pilots they had left feeling their skill would let them employ the jet most effectively. So you’ve got a plane with tricky throttles that liked to burn out motors, yep the TBO on a Jumo 004 turbojet was in many cases just 30 hours. So that meant that you might have gotten maybe a weeks air combat before you had to pull the engines to rebuild them ( par for the course when most were cobbled together in peoples basements and slave factories). Most 262 kills by allied fighters were on takeoff and landing, the 262 was very vulnerable that way
I bet any aircraft is vulnerable while takeoff and landing, except P-47 Mustang, those planes landed and took off at 400 mph. Like the famous millenium falcon! But wait, that´s scifi.........
@@berndbrakemeier1418 The touchy throttles made the 262 exceptionally tricky to land. On landing a normal piston engine fighter just shoves the throttle to war emergency power, retracts the flaps to combat position and retracts his landing gear if attacked or jumped. If you tried that on a 262 chances are 1 or both engines flame out and your a dead stick landing. The 262 airfields actually had FW-190s orbiting it to offer additional protection to the 262s on takeoff or landing till it could get its flaps up and the gear retracted
@@wombatwilly1002 I’m not saying it couldn’t work but 262s were rare to begin with plus those 30mm cannons in the nose were utterly devastated if they hit you. It’s probable they got noob pilots who weren’t as versed in skill as older more seasoned veterans were. Like I said the 262 was so valuable they had FW-190s flying combat air patrol over the bases on 26# takeoffs and landings. They were supposed to protect the slow to respond 262 when they were most vulnerable. Most us jet kills were made on takeoff or landing
Finally, someone actually analyzing instead of automatically saying that the movie is bad just because the 262 was faster and using that as their only piece of evidence
This battle engagement really happened. But it’s inaccurate for Hollywood and “MURICA” purposes. Tuskegee pilots of 332 FG escorted B24s on a 1600 mile trip to Berlin. Me 262s led by a ace were able to rake the bombers with 30mm shells and At least 5 B24s exploded. 2 black Tuskegee pilots were able to sneak up on me 262s after and shoot them down. Both German pilots bailed out and survived. One black pilot was denied ace status because of his color. White pilots of 31 FG joined in to intervene and were LATE in order to relieve the black pilots.
You completely missed everything I said. The me 262s in this battle downed more bombers and fighters than shown here. So the germans are portrayed weak here. Second the black ace was denied his last kill purposely to deny him of ace status.
Ah yes, I had read about that too. Apparently the Me262 suffered engine failure and in an effort to restart the engine,the pilot executed a shallow dive but the P51s caught up to him and shot him down
El título "Red Tails: P-51 Mustang vs Messerschmitt Me 262" sugiere una película de acción histórica centrada en enfrentamientos aéreos durante la Segunda Guerra Mundial, específicamente entre los aviones estadounidenses P-51 Mustang y los alemanes Messerschmitt Me 262. La elección de "Red Tails" como título también podría ser una referencia a los pilotos afroamericanos conocidos como los "Red Tails" que volaron en la Segunda Guerra Mundial. En general, parece ser un título atractivo para los amantes de las películas de guerra y de aviación.
@@TheJimyyy mine shell is the correct name. Minengeschoß (mine shell) is a type of high explosive shell with very thin walls, which allowed for more explosive to be packed in them.
@@TheJimyyy also the term mineshell is used for the german he shell that has more high explosive filler than normal. Second there is an armored plate right behind the pilot so even if the mineshell did not explode after going through the pilot it would have exploded after hitting the armored plate
How did a 6-caliber 50 p51 beat a me 262 with 4 mk108 in combat? and how did the mustang pass through the wreckage of me 262 and not even get damaged? this scene makes no se.
Not in this movie. Here a 30mm can not penetrate the P-51D hood. Three 30mm rounds can only wound an Red Tails pilot. But a single 0.50 round can put to pieces a whole Me.262 Squadron. I am puzzled of the damages 30mm rounds can inflict on B.17s but how ineffective these rounds are against P.51s. I thought it was the other way!
According to some German experiments in WW2, a single 30mm round was usually enough to take down most fighters. Two would always do the job. Three were enough to shot down a B-24, a B-17 was tougher, it needed up to five. But, as I pointed out, not in the case of the Red Tails, these were specials and their planes were also special!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This kind of movies does them no service!
I am just here to say that whoever had the idea of a Mustang surviving a head on attack towards 4 RheinMetal Borsig Mk108 30mm cannons should stop using bath salts .
Yeah right 30mm canons are only going to wound the black pilot, but his .50s (12.7mm) are going to obliterate the German fighter, Holyweed makes me laugh.
Dragon Gaming Yes, true. The British tested one 30mm mk108 shells on the wing of the spitfire, it made a hole so big it would make the plane lose control.
Dragon Gaming There Is"genuine" gun-camera footage from P-51s downing Me-262s, they go down just like any other fighter of the era. I'm sure there is the possibility of one exploding in mid air (especially since American fighters used API ammunition). But the point here is how Hollywood stretches facts to suit their story and intent. German soldiers are portrayed like mindless robotic idiots, that could not be further from the truth, they almost always fought with less equipment and outnumbered - sometimes against overwhelming odds, what they lacked in sheer numbers and equipment they made up for by using intelligent and clever tactics- I have personally spoken to Brit, - American and even Russian WW2 vets- they all have great respect for the German soldier.
The speed of the 30mm cannons rounds were slow compared to a .50cal but if one of those 30mm minesholbe (mine shell) hit the Mustang it would have been toast. The rounds were designed to kill a bomber with just 3 rounds out of 360 the me262 carried
Leandro Evequoz I'd say the Americans would win....the German fighters had no experience with the Me262 whatsoever and the gunners from the Bs and the Mustangs would probably defeat them.
Aleks Marchant LoL it aint real life either,,And btw anyone knows that if it would have been war thunder you would have seen a frk yak killing everyone..
The Me-262 shouldn't be able to shoot it did. The upper 2 30mm cannons only carried 100 rounds each, while the lower 2 30mm cannon only carried 80 rounds a piece.
The Mustang was the most versatile fighter of WWII. The Mustang more than held it's own against the Fockle-Wulf 190, the Me-262, and everything else the Germans had.
how does a person still function after having several 30mm holes punctured in their chest impacting at the bullet speed plus the speed of his aircraft?
Bart Bols look i really have no time to argue with you... if you look close you will see the 30mm rounds hit the pilot not the shrapnel. (here's a hint for the next conversation you'll take part in: write everything in 1 comment)
When a much-faster turbo jet attempted to evade a pursuer, it was very important--at least, in Hollywood--not to utilize the speed advantage and pull away, but to roll and roll, bleed off airspeed, and give the slower prop plane a better chance to stay on its six and shoot it down. It was just so much cooler looking.
+SgtJack BR (xXSgtJackXx) still alot faster in a dive then the p52 will ever be. also this movie is super unrealistic, it looks like propaganda man, not even the Russians make movies like this one.
+TheLordhorationelson you're only saying this because they were black pilots. They did infact weret the first unit to shoot down the 269 jet fighters.This was not propaganda as you say. The only reason the history books dont mention this is because they were black man and blacks cant be portrayed as heroic.
+Eddie Enigma074 wrong. Major Joseph Meyers war was the first pole pilot to spot shoot down an me 262, and he is white as hell. The Tuskegee airmen got their p47 and p51 beginning July of '44, just in time to get in the aircraft that had already killed the 262
Okay, I have a few questions about this scene: 1. How do 30mm HE cannon rounds do _less_ damage than 12.7mm machine gun rounds? 2. B-17s were called “Flying Fortresses” because they were tough as hell and had _no less than 13 0.50 caliber machine guns in each bomber._ With this in mind, *WHY IS THERE NOT A SINGLE SHOT FIRED FROM THE ENTIRE BOMBER FORMATION DURING THE ENTIRE FIGHT?* 3. At what point did anyone anywhere in history claim that a P-51 Mustang was capable of staying with an Me-262- _the world’s first successful jet fighter_ -in a *dive?* 4. HOW DO YOU SURVIVE TAKING 30mm HE CANNON ROUNDS TO THE CHEST? Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
icdont think that the b17 were able to hit the me262 because they wer to fast, but they would have at least tried it when the me262 wasnt in a dogfight with a p51
5. we see a Me 262 go into a spiral after losing an engine but they can fly fine with only 1 enigne 6. the Me 262s are very late war and the same with the B-17s shown but the mustangs they're using are only P-51-C's which were only used early/mid war 7. during the war bombing raids were mainly escorted but P-47 thunder bolts instead of mustangs because the mustangs had much less fuel capacity then the P-47s and couldnt fly nearly far enough
Everything is wrong with these scenes. 1. Dude shot with 30mm and survives and his plane too 2. P51 follows me262 and able to keep up on his 262 tail 3. B17 survives multiple hits from me 262. Note. - nothing can catch me262 in ww2 unless it is taking off or landing. And in this scene they are flying at combat speed. Result - it is totally nonsense to watch such aa clip even for entertainment.
oh yeah and another thing the Me 262 has a mixture of HE and tracer rounds so round would explode on impact separating and creating holes, and in the head on part, the guy would have blown up into pieces and the engine would have blown up from the HE shells
umm the P-51H can go 700kph and the Me 262 goes 800 kph but the movie had P-51D so you are right but they went up altitude so they might have been able to go fast too Edit: The 262 lost speed while in combat
@@shauneeeeeeeee3876 A p-51 would never be able to go 700kph it would have to dive to achieve such speed meanwhile the Me 262 could got up to 800kph in level flight no problem, also the 262 pilots were trained to keep momentum in flight so they lost near to no speed.
LightningThief 111 Yes..."just"...Mustangs needed much higher altitude to catch a Me262,to build up enough speed in the dive...you do not simply get behind an aircaft that is more than 100mph faster and shoot it down...
The ME-262 would not be used in this way. They came in head-on and fast, cut loose with the guns, then sped away before any escort fighters could engage. By the time the 262's showed up, the air-war was pretty much over with. The allies had totally air superiority and could bomb at will, any target they wanted. Even if the ME-262 took out 100% of an allied mission (this never happened) it would result in zero impact on the Allies ability to continue to pulverize the enemy. By the end of 1944 the War Department's main problem was over production of planes and tanks. This is why the standard "repair" procedure for 1945 for damaged fighters and bombers was simply to push them to the scrap pile and issue the pilot and or crew a new plane.
Most victories over Me262 was when it was landing or taking off.By 1945 most airfields were known to the Allies or as the Germans knew them die Amis.Towards the end the Germans used the autobahns as runways+the wooded area alongside as cover..
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👆 Me 262
I play War Thunder
Red Tailed Angels
Michael Barder this isn’t animation this is a movie
Me 262 Schwalbe .
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Hit by 30mm minengeschoss : survived
Hit by 12.7mm bullets : destroyed
Welcome to war Thunder kiddo
movie logic and war thunder logic
i mean technically neither of them survived but yeah welcome to movie logic
This was a movie
yes but the adrenalin of the situation makes him feel nothing for a short time but after 5 seconds he died then that's fine
*Dude gets shot by 30 mm bullet in chest, and still survives*
Kowalski analysis
30mm bullet is like a m3 light tank 37mm gun.
It's a 20mm and hes wearing a flak vest
No he died in the end so you might wanna edit your comment
@@christianmartin82804 who?
@@Jana-hm2pe lighting dies after the dogfight the pilot who went head to head with the me 262
The funny thing is that according to German Combat reports, ME262's MK-108 30mm cannon's 30x90mm HE Shells(Mostly, also have armour piercing etc) are more than capable of taking down most of the single-engine fighters at that time WITH A SINGLE HIT(4-8 rounds to take down 4-engine bombers like B17/B24), including any variant of P51... Where as in 00:51, that P51 took at least 6 round of it... and these 30mm impact just looks like German MG13(13mm) or even just MG17s mounted on ME109 variants.... The accuracy of the movie is even more questionable in 2:47 when both aircraft charge head-on... The impact of of shells from 262 literally looks like standard MG17 bullet's impact, and the pilot took at least 4 of those 30mm(maybe just shrapnels since there's engine and glass in front of him taking the direct hit from the shell )..... If it's in reality that P51 gonna get tear up into parts right at the moment those 30mms land on any parts of it, and if pilot took just one round directly(and it detonated successfully), that poor bastard's whole upper body should be gone(yep that's the actual impact of a bloody 30mm high-explosive/armour piercing shell)...... But yeah, its Hollywood so I get it :/
Thats right as the germans in ww2 are simply not allowed to win anything as it wouldnt be accurate because the allies won. The Nazis did nothing right and had even worse accurasy than stormtoopers what litterally every D-Day movie shows as the germans at best kill like 10 soldier or only just wound them.I mean its not like germany completly overrun poland belgium, netherlands and france and took a giant part of the ussr. But the germans are not capable at anything in ww2 because americans are unstoppable and literally god so you cant heart them and when you say something against that you are at least a nazi and a commie as well. By the way Bitain almost lost the battle of britain if Hitler wasnt so stupid to try to bomb London to the gound instead of attacking airfields and industry after churchill ordered a bomb run on berlin to make hitler angry.
Hollywood logic
To say nothing of being almost 200mph faster than the Mustang. A lot of Hollywood license here.
Logic moment
damn he payed attention in class :P
fun fact the worlds greatest ace(i forgot his name) was a German pilot never once got shot down he did have to make 14 emergency landings but not cause of enemy fire, instead he would wait until he was about 20m away from his target then open fire which essentially instantly shredded the enemy however the debris would break his plane. I'm saying this cause this part 2:52 reminded me of him
edit: the ace i am talking about his Eric Heartmann who is considered the "ace of aces"
*Erich Hartmann
I think he is Erich Alfred Hartmann?
not trynna compare Aces from probs WW1 and WW2 but was he better than the Red Baron
He was shot down 1 time but he survived. On this day he shot down 7 p-51 and then got shot down
Also he had 352 airvictorys
question: how did a guy resist several 30 mm bullets right into his chest
answer: he had a full vitality level
Also the snail lord blessing him
he surviveed with 1 hp but his aricraft was damaged
@@luisdiegomesenr4553 but he can't no longer breathe due to bullets shots
@@montanagaming9554 aka pilot knocked out
Anger and frustration,you can't feel anything when you got em
A P-51 faster than a ME-262? Hollywooooood!
Yes...Fuc*in American propaganda!!!
Hurrght Oláffson ik
Hollywood.....
No Me-262 is faster than P-51
@jaydee040 But the fact that the p51 was faster in the dive did not help at all in dogfight. The Me262 only had a really vulnerable moment that was at the time of landing and in fact was where most of the victories over those planes were achieved
the song fits perfectly with the scene
Ya cus it’s like the grmans lost sooooooo meny thins sorry I edeted
@larasantico9525 I got a stroke when reading your comment, mate.
Respect the camera man for staying alive in the battlefield
1:43 (Critical Speed Push Nose Down)
Lmao mustang's got a big climb buff
@@jackht9 yeah no kidding
I see you play War Thunder as well.
@@zyggybaranowski6852 yeah np shit Sherlock
Warthunder? SOTS Military Crew?
Gets hit by 30mm cannon
P51: Tis but a scratch!
yes he got flak vest and he got shoted in lungs so its his last seconds of life
@@gorgi7009 flak vest only protects the pilot from fragments not hits. Also if it’s the plane that gets hit by 30mm, the vest won’t matter. The aircraft will be shredded.
@@ariq4209 dude the fuckin pilot would have basically exploded, when they tested a bf-109s 20 mm cannons on a spits wing it completely exploded it off so imagine what a 30 mm will do to a mustang 😬
@@bobuboi4643 yep, meanwhile in Red Tails the pilot was like "tis but a scratch"
@@gorgi7009 a 30 mm gun would rip a pilot to shreds even if they were in seven
I love how absurdly maneuverable everything is in this movie.
(lyrics) Things we lost to the flames
Things we'll never see again
All that we've amassed
Sits before us, shattered into ash
These are the things, the things we lost
The things we lost in the fire, fire, fire
These are the things, the things we lost
The things we lost in the fire, fire, fire
We sat and made a list
Of all the things that we have
Down the backs of table tops
Ticket stubs and your diaries, I read them all one day
When loneliness came and you were away
Oh they told me nothing new
But I love to read the words you used
These are the things, the things we lost
The things we lost in the fire, fire, fire
These are the things, the things we lost
The things we lost in the fire, fire, fire
I was the match and you were the rock
Maybe, we started this fire
We sat apart and watched
All we had burned on the pyre
You said, "We were born with nothing
And we sure as hell have nothing now"
You said, "We were born with nothing
And we sure as hell have nothing now"
These are the things, the things we lost
The things we lost in the fire, fire, fire
These are the things, the things we lost
The things we lost in the fire, fire, fire
Do you understand that we will never be the same again
Do you understand that we will never be the same again
The future's in our hands and we will never be the same again
The future's in our hands and we will never be the same again
These are the things, the things we lost
The things we lost in the fire, fire, fire
These are the things, the things we lost
The things we lost in the fire, fire, fire
These are the things, the things we lost
These are the things we lost in the fire fire fire
Flames they licked the walls
Tenderly they turned to dust all that I adore
This song is perfect for this movie
@@makaylastclair7005 perfect
ME-262 was over 100 mph faster than than a P-51D, "most" of the 262 losses were when they were attacked on landing after a mission.
1:44
262s were less maneuverable and lost alot of speed when turning p-51s also had better acceleration, the 262 was very flawed and it's pilots were inexperienced
no mat por que te cancelaron XD
Actually that's not true. 262s had extremes flaws in their technolgical designs.
P-51's were still far superior aircrafts during the time. Matter a fact, 262s are still rated fairly low as a "powerful plane".
P-51's would be a better option in combat if you were in WW2.
@@goldenhawk352 I won't explain all the flaws of a 262 but the biggest one was that manuvering such an aircraft was exetremly difficult at those times, P-51s used that to their advantage as seen in the movies Red Tails.
Sure a 262 moves a lot faster but it can't dodge fighter aircrafts easily.
262 was originally planned as a bomber plane, but lacking many tools, completeing bombing missions was difficult and it was redesigned as a fighter.
But still as a fighter the 262 still had many flaws in it's design. The only reason 262 stood a chance was basically it's speed and guns. Everything else about the aircraft but complete utter trash.
According to this movie b17 “Flying Fortresses” didn’t have any defensive armament on them.
it showed it in the beginning~!!!
No look hard
the b17s didn't fire back because those me 262 were too fast
Lmao B17 gunners dont shoot at jets
@@merlyraguero5143 because they would hit the friendlies p51 during combat
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Oh yes. Definitely. P51 catches up to jet in a dive and a straight line...
Yes, learn history. In the head-on attack, the combined closing speed of about 720 mph ~1.200 km/h was way too high for accurate shooting. All the MK 108 could only fire about 44 shells per second (650 rounds/min from each cannon). Even from astern the closing speed was so great, that at maximum speed the ME 262 had less then two seconds time to shoot.
And that is just the theoretical time, because the ME 262 would ram its target if the pilot uses the entire 2 seconds for shooting, while he is in range.
Only with advanced tactics and missiles as armament was a braking before the attack no longer necessary. But even these advances couldn't compensate the lack of training of German pilots and so they were still possible to fight.
Even Soviet IL 2 Sturmoviks have shot down three ME-262s and they are not even half as fast as the ME-262 and actually pure ground attack aircrafts.
War thunder
Yep definitely the p 51 is faster than a me 262 in a dive even if the 262 was farther ahead the p 51's 50.cals had at least 1200 yards extra firing range than the 262s 30'mm cannons
America will always win
Listen i diot the aircrafts also p51 and me 262 lower the speed auto in high turnes which make them almoust the same speed i diot
I like how he flew through the explosion with all the debris and stuff and his plane is left untouched
Yeah. Gotta love ‘Murican propoga- I mean engineering! Willing to bet those Me-262 engines would have instantly choked and died if they’d flown through a light cloud.
Oh you think that is the problem? But that guy was shot by 4 20mm guns and the plane was not ripped apart.
Edit: 30mm
He was shot with 4 30mm guns capable of firing "Mienengeschosse" and there were only tiny little bullet holes
@@dordasin2704 yea, do you have any ww2 movie recommendations that are non bias?
yeah exactly and the director was like let's kick the realism out the window. Cause I forgot there is 1 HE round in every 4 rounds.
I love this tribute to the Tuskegee airmen who were lost in WWll. Rest in peace. 😔
3:26 "pilot knoked out" Cretid kill by Me 262
3:00 A true Wing man never leaves his friends side as he goes down
Touching moment 😔
All my teammates always groundpound while i climb
Sad Moment 😭
I'm sure that's true in a video game
If this were real, he'd be flying next to a dead man, that 30mm round would kill anyone
Gotta love how that pilot at the end was able to not instantly be knocked the fuck out from shock after being hit by at least 3 30mm Canon shells
Knocked out? Fuck no lmao, He's whole upper Torso Would have exploded.
@@bobuboi4643 lmfao yes
A hit by a 12.7mm is enough to blow a part of your body lmao
Yeah I was saying this in the context that those shells didn't even knock him out, and I also guess they were all dud shells cause they didn't detonate
Well obviously he had a bullet proof vest those things can stop 120 mill tank shells easily
This is my favorite movie and my favorite clip! Thank you
Which movie name please
This reminds me of the time I beat an f35 B in my WW1 sopwith camel. I took a couple AIM 120s to the heart but that was just a scratch. #relatable.
@Game Hacker Lmao
Remember Me262s are fragile.
Will Barry it reminds me beating a Bf 109 in dogfight using a bomber
i can not change my profile pic for 60 days they armor is aluminum
Sonata xD and a 30mm would tear a mustang to bits, let alone being hit by one
"Damn you, Lightning" one of the saddest lines in this part
:'(
I legit cried when i saw this for the first time😭
@@vlcallmeprince-x6032 same
So true
Same
Just how the wingman followed him to the end got me. True nature of the wingman: Loyal to the end. 😢
If this were realistic his wingman would not have anyone to guard anymore...
what is the name of the music in this video?
There's 3 types of people on this comment section:
1.The Aviation Nerd
2.The one who assumes this was a American propaganda.
3.the War Thunder Pilot.
You forgot one. The American.
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Comment section in a nutshell
Aviation nerd lmao. Btw War Thunder pilot here.. not an ace, just pilot
I think most people here are just bland since they are neither of those
B17 left engine: is hit
B17: starts to roll on the right
Me: hold up, wait a minute...something ain’t right
It rolled to the right bc it was turning back to base bc he was to dmg to cuntinue the mission
yes........oh yeah they are in........... a diferent universe
@@frankdeleon9782 dumbass if your engine is hit like if its on fire you wont return to base
@@SpectraMoyai but thats how they made it in the movie
@@frankdeleon9782 well blame the director
Please, I cannot find the soundtrack title anywhere... Does anyone know?
It's "things we lost in the fire"
Qual a música do vídeo?
Ok as a study of WW2 I’ll toss this out there for anyone wanting authenticity. The ME-262 appeared far too late in the war to have a significant impact on things, air combat losses were actually pretty low. The 262 pilots were advised to not stick it it out in ACM with escort fighters . They were advised to approach front on and as fast as possible. They would in essence “ boom and zoom” denying the escorts the chance to engage them. Dogfights did happen but it was the exception not the rule. The ME-262 actually had slow responding throttles, and mishandled throttles often resulted in flame outs. The Germans tended to build 262 units from the most experienced combat pilots they had left feeling their skill would let them employ the jet most effectively. So you’ve got a plane with tricky throttles that liked to burn out motors, yep the TBO on a Jumo 004 turbojet was in many cases just 30 hours. So that meant that you might have gotten maybe a weeks air combat before you had to pull the engines to rebuild them ( par for the course when most were cobbled together in peoples basements and slave factories). Most 262 kills by allied fighters were on takeoff and landing, the 262 was very vulnerable that way
I bet any aircraft is vulnerable while takeoff and landing, except P-47 Mustang, those planes landed and took off at 400 mph. Like the famous millenium falcon! But wait, that´s scifi.........
@@berndbrakemeier1418 The touchy throttles made the 262 exceptionally tricky to land. On landing a normal piston engine fighter just shoves the throttle to war emergency power, retracts the flaps to combat position and retracts his landing gear if attacked or jumped. If you tried that on a 262 chances are 1 or both engines flame out and your a dead stick landing. The 262 airfields actually had FW-190s orbiting it to offer additional protection to the 262s on takeoff or landing till it could get its flaps up and the gear retracted
You nailed it pretty good but the Red Tails were credited with three downed 262's over Berlin in head to head dogfights?
@@wombatwilly1002 I’m not saying it couldn’t work but 262s were rare to begin with plus those 30mm cannons in the nose were utterly devastated if they hit you. It’s probable they got noob pilots who weren’t as versed in skill as older more seasoned veterans were. Like I said the 262 was so valuable they had FW-190s flying combat air patrol over the bases on 26# takeoffs and landings. They were supposed to protect the slow to respond 262 when they were most vulnerable. Most us jet kills were made on takeoff or landing
Finally, someone actually analyzing instead of automatically saying that the movie is bad just because the 262 was faster and using that as their only piece of evidence
This battle engagement really happened. But it’s inaccurate for Hollywood and “MURICA” purposes. Tuskegee pilots of 332 FG escorted B24s on a 1600 mile trip to Berlin. Me 262s led by a ace were able to rake the bombers with 30mm shells and At least 5 B24s exploded. 2 black Tuskegee pilots were able to sneak up on me 262s after and shoot them down. Both German pilots bailed out and survived. One black pilot was denied ace status because of his color. White pilots of 31 FG joined in to intervene and were LATE in order to relieve the black pilots.
Foreshadowing of today's events about black lives
That's not a "murica" moment how is it propaganda to use b17s over b24s? Mind you, a superior plane to the b17?
You completely missed everything I said. The me 262s in this battle downed more bombers and fighters than shown here. So the germans are portrayed weak here. Second the black ace was denied his last kill purposely to deny him of ace status.
Obi Wan Kenobi how?
Ah yes, I had read about that too. Apparently the Me262 suffered engine failure and in an effort to restart the engine,the pilot executed a shallow dive but the P51s caught up to him and shot him down
Wr do u have this song
what is the name of the song please
*meanwhile, in the forums*
“Omg p51 is broken gaijin plz buff 30mils”
Everybody Gangsta until the sky starts talking jet engine
For the Bombers and pilots it was like a UFO they said they have never heard anything like it. But yeah.
Hola donde la puedo ver completa porque la busco y no la encuentro
What's the song called????
ENEMY AIRCRAFT OPEN FIRE OPEN FIRE!
WHAT ARE WE SHOOTING AT?
YES
Ahh, a fellow tea drinker!
who else watches him
Playing bf1 hardcore mode be like
Que pedo we
ah yes a squire boi
Aah I like the scenes were the 262‘s are shown the first time
Me too
Yeah
Same
Same
Same my guy. I think this movie is a really good movie to rewatch
P 51 gets shot by 4 30mm cannons
Tis a scratch
El título "Red Tails: P-51 Mustang vs Messerschmitt Me 262" sugiere una película de acción histórica centrada en enfrentamientos aéreos durante la Segunda Guerra Mundial, específicamente entre los aviones estadounidenses P-51 Mustang y los alemanes Messerschmitt Me 262. La elección de "Red Tails" como título también podría ser una referencia a los pilotos afroamericanos conocidos como los "Red Tails" que volaron en la Segunda Guerra Mundial. En general, parece ser un título atractivo para los amantes de las películas de guerra y de aviación.
This music video is cut from the red tails movie
A P-51 pilot sacrifices himself for his life to make the no mercy guy die.
Legend.🫡
This movie was probably directed by Gaijin lol
Eyy war thunder is actually fun for me, sometimes
If you play with friends its a blast of fun
@@momoshmomosh77 same. What's your gamertag?
My highest rank is only IV :(
@@daonlykiwi2.062 Raz_Mosh
The Me262 had 30mm MK´s no chance for an enemy pilot to survive an hit in his body.
WoT Hammerfaust1980 think too...
Mk108 is very dangerous
@@do664 wieso nicht gleich Deutsch reden haha
@@TheJimyyy but the 30mm are mineshells meaning they explode so instead of living for about 10 more secs he would have been a red cloud
@@TheJimyyy mine shell is the correct name. Minengeschoß (mine shell) is a type of high explosive shell with very thin walls, which allowed for more explosive to be packed in them.
@@TheJimyyy also the term mineshell is used for the german he shell that has more high explosive filler than normal.
Second there is an armored plate right behind the pilot so even if the mineshell did not explode after going through the pilot it would have exploded after hitting the armored plate
What this song name
Disculpa como se llama la cancion
ME 262 Be like : You can just turn 360 degrees like that
P 51 : Plane is turn turn
Haha very funny
Jk it’s quite good actually
3:34 Pilot knocked out.
Player credited for the kill :Franz Kriegeld
love the war thunder refference
You sure it wasnt Hugo Stiglitz?
Lol, nice pull m8
Whats music name?
These are the things that we lost
Things we lost in the fire fire fire
The best Hollywood propaganda
How did a 6-caliber 50 p51 beat a me 262 with 4 mk108 in combat? and how did the mustang pass through the wreckage of me 262 and not even get damaged? this scene makes no se.
@@ivardesossado558 me262: 30mm
P51: 50 cal
Me262: 700/ 900km/h
P51: 500/650km /h
manfred von richthofen yeah and how can a 50 caliber rip off a me 262s wing in one shot but a 262 can’t rip off a p51s wing 1:37
@@pedroarthur919 ?
Pedro Arthur vc e br
Do they have any idea what a single 30mm round would do to a P51, let alone a person?!
+Kamen G person go boom
Not in this movie. Here a 30mm can not penetrate the P-51D hood. Three 30mm rounds can only wound an Red Tails pilot. But a single 0.50 round can put to pieces a whole Me.262 Squadron.
I am puzzled of the damages 30mm rounds can inflict on B.17s but how ineffective these rounds are against P.51s. I thought it was the other way!
I think he didn't die cuz of the cockpit which only blocked the bullet or made it into shrapnel?Or maybe I'm nine years old
According to some German experiments in WW2, a single 30mm round was usually enough to take down most fighters. Two would always do the job. Three were enough to shot down a B-24, a B-17 was tougher, it needed up to five. But, as I pointed out, not in the case of the Red Tails, these were specials and their planes were also special!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This kind of movies does them no service!
@@sheniloiu5293 ya I like your explanation
What title of that song
It may be Hollywood but the REAL TRUTH is that the Red Tails were credited with the first ME262 kills in real life! God BLESS all who serve!
I am just here to say that whoever had the idea of a Mustang surviving a head on attack towards 4 RheinMetal Borsig Mk108 30mm cannons should stop using bath salts .
What do you expect it was probably the main. character with plot armor...
That plot armor so op
+Victor Torres12 please nerf
Lol this guy just casually flexed that he knows the name of the cannons
Plot armor is indestructible dude. Surely you know even the toughest weapons cannot pierce it?
Yeah right 30mm canons are only going to wound the black pilot, but his .50s (12.7mm) are going to obliterate the German fighter, Holyweed makes me laugh.
Dragon Gaming Yes, true. The British tested one 30mm mk108 shells on the wing of the spitfire, it made a hole so big it would make the plane lose control.
Dragon Gaming There Is"genuine" gun-camera footage from P-51s downing Me-262s, they go down just like any other fighter of the era. I'm sure there is the possibility of one exploding in mid air (especially since American fighters used API ammunition). But the point here is how Hollywood stretches facts to suit their story and intent. German soldiers are portrayed like mindless robotic idiots, that could not be further from the truth, they almost always fought with less equipment and outnumbered - sometimes against overwhelming odds, what they lacked in sheer numbers and equipment they made up for by using intelligent and clever tactics- I have personally spoken to Brit, - American and even Russian WW2 vets- they all have great respect for the German soldier.
WWI I marvel?30mm cannon can tear off b17 how come p51 can still alive with such direct hit. Entertainment but still consider the basic knowledge
The speed of the 30mm cannons rounds were slow compared to a .50cal but if one of those 30mm minesholbe (mine shell) hit the Mustang it would have been toast. The rounds were designed to kill a bomber with just 3 rounds out of 360 the me262 carried
Holyweed xD
Name of music?
What’s the song called
Man, those p51s sure do have plot armor
1 50 cal hits 262 *blows up*
5 30mm hit p51 *nothing happens*
Wt in a nutshell :(
Alex Daniel “that one bounced”
Alex Daniel Me262s were MUCH weaker than mustangs, they were very venerable to exploding due to their dangerous jet engines
@@kc6018 still don't explain how the P-51 survived a 30MM
Vânia Regina Modesto it is for entertainment not historical accuracy
Como se llama la canción? Porfavor
Name of the song pleasse
I SMELL PROPAGANDA OVER HERE e_e
Leandro Evequoz I'd say the Americans would win....the German fighters had no experience
with the Me262 whatsoever and the gunners from the Bs and the Mustangs
would probably defeat them.
yeah it is said that the me 262 were actually good but when they were at the airfield well get freedom :V
+Aleks Marchant LOl yeah americans win everything...NOPE the me262 were eassier to fly than 109's ,well the last
Aleks Marchant You dont need experience its easy to fly
Aleks Marchant LoL it aint real life either,,And btw anyone knows that if it would have been war thunder you would have seen a frk yak killing everyone..
:D Messerschitt had 30mm cannons... i dont thing that Mustang pilot could survive even one bullet...
Hollywood makes it possible 😁
The Me-262 shouldn't be able to shoot it did. The upper 2 30mm cannons only carried 100 rounds each, while the lower 2 30mm cannon only carried 80 rounds a piece.
@@tempesttyphoon2925 still though , only one of those things could cause a lot of damage , not even talking about a salvo
The Mustang was the most versatile fighter of WWII. The Mustang more than held it's own against the Fockle-Wulf 190, the Me-262, and everything else the Germans had.
@@garybooker9583 Wait, so you are telling me that the mustang could actually withstand a fucking 30mm?
What the title song?
i swear i watched this a million times when i was a kid
Dude get shot by a 30mm cannon
*Meh*
Plane getting destroyed by a 12.7mm
*YEAH*
Edit: i love hollywood!
Oh yeah my friend
Isso aí maluco
Four 30 mm cannon Vs six 12.7 mm
PinBall Wizard Uncle sam love it too
@@renato7810 120mm for 4 30mm and 100mm for 6 12.7
there goes your like no.50
If you don't know a 30mm is larger than a full-grown man's hand
It's really not maybe longer but not thicker it is pretty thick though to where you need 2 hands to carry it if it's horizontal
@@shaxow1142 it's as big as a remote control
And also, they are explosive
@@weldonwin With mine shells which made Mk108s most powerful guns in WW2
30mm is about 1 inch
how does a person still function after having several 30mm holes punctured in their chest impacting at the bullet speed plus the speed of his aircraft?
He has max vitality point
The nostalgia this gave me… watched this 7 years ago.
como se llama la canción?
Love it how the 30mm tears through the rudder of a heavy bomber, but glances of a p51d. But good editing, made the song fit perfectly with the movie
2:48 what???
His entire stumach would have been gone by a single 30 let stand a full burst
Plot armour at its finest
And the P-51 wiiins yeess Americans are awesome 😂😂😂😂😂😂 what a fucking joke
@@shingoshoji9970 more likely it's entire body since 30 mm minengeschoss had 100 g of highly explosive material
Front facing would have extended the me262's range as it didn't have to be angled to hit targets at specifically 500m.
What the song for? I quit the vídeo at once.
This hits hard and it’s so true😢
2:45 impossible. the me262 had 4x30mm cannons. 1 shot could rip off a limb of a person. and this dude endures several shots? what...?
GRaToMiC I agree, Lightning's p51 should have been long gone... Lol, no offense but this movie was so biased towards the Americans XD
Bart Bols
they did not have light machineguns with their armament, as their only purpose was to intercept strong bombers where MG's were useless
Bart Bols
look i really have no time to argue with you... if you look close you will see the 30mm rounds hit the pilot not the shrapnel.
(here's a hint for the next conversation you'll take part in: write everything in 1 comment)
GRaToMiC American propaganda
Bloodfury Renekton Yup
When a much-faster turbo jet attempted to evade a pursuer, it was very important--at least, in Hollywood--not to utilize the speed advantage and pull away, but to roll and roll, bleed off airspeed, and give the slower prop plane a better chance to stay on its six and shoot it down. It was just so much cooler looking.
What’s the song
The song really works well for this
0:48 30mm "4 shots to kill slightly damages tail
Well guess what? Its only a few shot. What'd you expect? The whole tail section to be broken off?
@@zeolol9817 yup, it got hit with a few 30mm rounds which likely would do that.
@@zeolol9817 lmao do you think those are 50 cal rounds or something?
@@potatojuice5124 A 30mm is like 4x larger than a 50 cal lol
@@arvid4205 I know he said that like 10 30 mms would only put a few holes in a b17. Nope! That thing is going down
p51s manuvering like a zero and holding speed with a 262. my sides.
+Rose9985 262 sucks in speed and manuver
+SgtJack BR (xXSgtJackXx) still alot faster in a dive then the p52 will ever be. also this movie is super unrealistic, it looks like propaganda man, not even the Russians make movies like this one.
+TheLordhorationelson you're only saying this because they were black pilots. They did infact weret the first unit to shoot down the 269 jet fighters.This was not propaganda as you say. The only reason the history books dont mention this is because they were black man and blacks cant be portrayed as heroic.
yes but not like how they did.
and also dont call me racist plz thats not fair
+Eddie Enigma074 wrong. Major Joseph Meyers war was the first pole pilot to spot shoot down an me 262, and he is white as hell. The Tuskegee airmen got their p47 and p51 beginning July of '44, just in time to get in the aircraft that had already killed the 262
Song name?
Yes 👍
How do we get a new one
Okay, I have a few questions about this scene:
1. How do 30mm HE cannon rounds do _less_ damage than 12.7mm machine gun rounds?
2. B-17s were called “Flying Fortresses” because they were tough as hell and had _no less than 13 0.50 caliber machine guns in each bomber._ With this in mind, *WHY IS THERE NOT A SINGLE SHOT FIRED FROM THE ENTIRE BOMBER FORMATION DURING THE ENTIRE FIGHT?*
3. At what point did anyone anywhere in history claim that a P-51 Mustang was capable of staying with an Me-262- _the world’s first successful jet fighter_ -in a *dive?*
4. HOW DO YOU SURVIVE TAKING 30mm HE CANNON ROUNDS TO THE CHEST?
Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
icdont think that the b17 were able to hit the me262 because they wer to fast, but they would have at least tried it when the me262 wasnt in a dogfight with a p51
because america bias
5. we see a Me 262 go into a spiral after losing an engine but they can fly fine with only 1 enigne
6. the Me 262s are very late war and the same with the B-17s shown but the mustangs they're using are only P-51-C's which were only used early/mid war
7. during the war bombing raids were mainly escorted but P-47 thunder bolts instead of mustangs because the mustangs had much less fuel capacity then the P-47s and couldnt fly nearly far enough
This is worse than Russian bias...
Hollywood bs. But hey, for those who don't know all this, this film is just another action fic.
Everything is wrong with these scenes.
1. Dude shot with 30mm and survives and his plane too
2. P51 follows me262 and able to keep up on his 262 tail
3. B17 survives multiple hits from me 262.
Note. - nothing can catch me262 in ww2 unless it is taking off or landing. And in this scene they are flying at combat speed.
Result - it is totally nonsense to watch such aa clip even for entertainment.
oh yeah and another thing the Me 262 has a mixture of HE and tracer rounds so round would explode on impact separating and creating holes, and in the head on part, the guy would have blown up into pieces and the engine would have blown up from the HE shells
Ok but the dude still died and he still crashed
@@shaggy8574 yeah but he took an Me 262 down with him when it shouldn't have happened
umm the P-51H can go 700kph and the Me 262 goes 800 kph but the movie had P-51D so you are right but they went up altitude so they might have been able to go fast too
Edit: The 262 lost speed while in combat
@@shauneeeeeeeee3876 A p-51 would never be able to go 700kph it would have to dive to achieve such speed meanwhile the Me 262 could got up to 800kph in level flight no problem, also the 262 pilots were trained to keep momentum in flight so they lost near to no speed.
Nice compilation
This song name??
mustangs catching up 262s. What the flak.
+Berkay Kaan Taşkın wing mounted 6 50. cal won agaist nose mounted 4 30 mm cannon. What the flak.
+Berkay Kaan Taşkın 30mm cannon didn't blow his body to pieces? what the flak.
Guy gets shot with 30 mm and is not in pieces the flak...
@@taskinberkay B17 not shooting? What the flak.
With energy from a dive,it happened regularly
I wish i could take seven 30 mm rounds to my chest without dying instantly.lol
That made Scarface look like a pussy
+Kyle Hillier he could of just went behind the 262 and shoot him down
+LightningThief 111
"Just"...
+Nashman Nash just...
LightningThief 111
Yes..."just"...Mustangs needed much higher altitude to catch a Me262,to build up enough speed in the dive...you do not simply get behind an aircaft that is more than 100mph faster and shoot it down...
Congratulations. Good Video 👍
What is the name of the music ?
things we lost in the fire
God, can't Hollywood make a movie like Midway, historically accurate? I think midway is historically accurate, the modern one
Agreed
@jaydee040 but didnt the 262s have cannons?
@jaydee040 oh
Seriously agreed.
Tora! Tora! Tora! is also a great movie
My favorite part is when his arm doesn't straight up explode.
The ME-262 would not be used in this way. They came in head-on and fast, cut loose with the guns, then sped away before any escort fighters could engage. By the time the 262's showed up, the air-war was pretty much over with. The allies had totally air superiority and could bomb at will, any target they wanted. Even if the ME-262 took out 100% of an allied mission (this never happened) it would result in zero impact on the Allies ability to continue to pulverize the enemy. By the end of 1944 the War Department's main problem was over production of planes and tanks. This is why the standard "repair" procedure for 1945 for damaged fighters and bombers was simply to push them to the scrap pile and issue the pilot and or crew a new plane.
Nombre de la musica?
my boy got shot by a 30mm cannon 5 times and survived 5 minutes
Most victories over Me262 was when it was landing or taking off.By 1945 most airfields were known to the Allies or as the Germans knew them die Amis.Towards the end the Germans used the autobahns as runways+the wooded area alongside as cover..
7 years ago
Name song pls