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Please dont sponsor charlatans like better help. They are only a business, mental health isnt a business, better help exploit people for money under the guise of helping…… Mr Kipping Sir, with all due respect, shame on you for choosing such a partner……… Love you, Love your work and special the podcast but really? Who on your team guided you this way?
@@JapanZen Agreed. So many RUclipsrs I love keep accepting Better Help sponsorships, and it's really disheartening. Better Help has so many documented issues including not kept patient information secure, and do not treat their costumers and therapists they've hired well. Please take a closer look at your sponsorships before accepting.
I also heard there is some criticism about better help. I haven't done too much research on it. But they are not what they appear. Since the video is about objective scientists and stuff. Maybe research what's going on with better help? I get you have a lot of sponsors and betterhelp seems like a cool business.. but I don't think they are....
90% of today's "The Science" is complete BS. The further away from reality and testing, the higher the percentage. "Scientists" are most certainly not truth seekers.
I was always taught that the reason we can trust science is that peers are trying to prove a scientist's results wrong. By my math, a scientist that has the wisdom to prove and admit his own result wrong is exactly TWICE as valuable than one who requires the additional peer.
I showed this to my wife. We've have been in the process of divorce that I can confidently state, is now on hold. I've had trouble expressing how much I look up to people that can change their mind. I've been in the right in regards to the impetus of our issues. But I have to be willing to now practice what I preach in regards to the solutions. Not just quit. Thanks again. You have a wider impact than science.
@@stz03 thanks man. It's complicated and I've spent two long years putting in the effort for both of us. It's not something either of us chose, but I can't be the only one looking for a solution. I'm sorry to say, it looks dire once again. She feels hurt and betrayed because she thought I was cheating on her and helping others to spy on her. I was not, nor ever would. But the feelings she had were real so according to her, I betrayed her trust and broke her heart regardless the fact I didn't do those things. She conjured that up, yet I still get blamed. It's an untenable position that breeds contempt. I don't have any good options. I still see glimpses of the person she used to be, that's what makes it so difficult. She won't accept things I tell her. Too much venom. Time to save myself.
@benjaminbeard3736 Show her some funny memes or motivational posters. Not to mention all those hilarious cat pictures, those can surely hold your marriage together for a few more years...
I was in this situation in grad school. I was literally writing my dissertation and was almost done. I could’ve covered it up and no one would’ve noticed for years, if ever. No one was checking my results. I went straight to my advisor, totally dejected, and told him I’d made a mistake. He was understanding and allowed me to repeat the key experiments for my thesis project. In the end, the conclusions were the same. But I felt better by admitting my error immediately, fixing it, and repeating my research.
I am happy for you. But this aspect of academia soured me. Stopped at an MFA. Had I picked a different school things may have been different. But I'm glad for the experience.
I once spent years on a theoretical paper based on some very involved perturbation calculus, and it was absolutely crushing when a referee pointed out a minor error that gutted every single result - but after another year fixing things, I was able to tie it all together far more beautifully, and it was definitely all worth it
Prof. Bailes is clearly a man & a scientist of enormous integrity and courage. Let's hope his example is followed by others, else the science naysayers will surely win. I come across this problem in my field (medicine) and I assure you there is not as much humility. Thank you for sharing this.
As an MD myself, I can deeply agree. Humility is highly needed in our field (and it's painfully absent). Mistakes can feel bad for sure, but the only people not making mistakes are those who don't work at all. And let's not forget that we learn from our mistakes, not from our successes.
We all know Prof. Bailes is one of very few exceptions. Scientists are just humans, and humans tend to be hypocrites. (And full of prejudices, too; that's why you and others here immediately jump to the idiotic concluson that I am a "science naysayer.")
“A world that celebrates stubbornness” is actually putting a kind, hopeful face on the matter. All too often, tragically, it’s a world that celebrates outright lies.
believe me, I've experienced that sinking feeling ... that horrified thought "how will we tell others!" and then a cold numbness... then the finality of it - that u have to accept the truth and tell it - as it is! It takes courage to do the right thing! congratulations! kudos!
It's very difficult to convince someone they're wrong if their career/life depends on it. Those that admit to their mistakes deserve the utmost respect, celebration, and fame.
This has to be one of the best science videos I have seen on RUclips. I think this does so much for the credibility of science in general. I was once in the same position, after publishing a paper (not anywhere near the same impact as an exoplanet discovery, mind you) and then having to tell the principal investigator that I had made a software error. The discovery of that error was one of the worst moments of my life, but the reaction and support I got from the PI and the rest of the team was one of the best.
The honesty and ability to humble themselves snd admit they made a mistake is so refreshing and respectable. I can completely understand why they got a standing ovation. Science is such a tricky subject and its full of 100s of examples of theories and ideas that ended up being incorrect. Even when mistakes are made, they're not useless. They're another learning experience.
I really appreciated the unedited interview, despite it's lack of cinematics. There's few moments like these in our lives in which we can truly shape who we want to be and become. Watching the interview, it seemed that he unfortunately, still, blames himself for his past mistakes. I hope he understands the importance of the message he conveyed. Thank you for bringing it to us. :)
Absolutely loved this video. Integrity is sadly an uncommon characteristic these days and I really appreciate you making a video about this story. The interview was so wholesome and he was so humbled and almost vulnerable. You can definitely tell he was genuinely upset about the mistake. Keep up the good work professor
I sincerely appreciate your videos Prof. Kipping. When I was younger I read everything I could possibly get my hands on from Carl Sagan, these days I patiently wait for your new videos to drop. There is definitely a correlation between you and him. You, too, are able to romanticize these complex subjects, and that is truly a gift you have been given. Thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for being you.
This is a great story of science done right. When politics, ego, theology and ideology are stripped away this is how things should be done. Impressive interview.
There’s a story of an architect who had his building built and then learned it had a flaw and could topple. He went public to save lives and the New York skyline. Whole time thinking he’s finished yet instead he was celebrated. (The building was for a bank, it’s elevated to leave a church underneath untouched)
Would tiny Darwin a moon in my scfi universe with a Venus sized moon have an atmosphere at gadameat distance? As I've heard there radiation tortuses are horrible around gas giants.
I have such massive respect for people that stand up and admit they are wrong, it's so hard to do. Huge respect to this man and his team, and thanks for bringing us this wonderful story Dr. Kipping.
I was at an astronomy conference where the speaker did get a standing ovation. John Mather was to give a talk at a meeting of the American Astronomical Society in 1992 on the latest results from the Cosmic Background Explorer (COBE). He walked onto the stage and without saying a word, signaled for the first slide of the talk to be projected on the screen. This slide was just a plot showing the Black Body curve of the Universe derived from COBE data. Everyone immediately recognized the significance of that plot and the 1000 or so people in the audience simultaneously stood up and gave him a standing ovation. The applause lasted for quite some time, and only when the applause died down did he speak, first introducing himself and then mentioning the names of his collaborators. Not too unexpectedly, my own poster paper at the conference garnered far less interest. Anyway, John Mather got the Nobel Prize in Physics in 2006 and I still work in obscurity.
I love this so much! The humility to recognize and admit error makes us better, better as people and better as a society. It’s incredibly powerful to do so openly. Wonderful presentation Cool Worlds team
I went to a physics club event where Bailes met us all in person (mostly 1st and 2nd year physics majors) and he was so generous and kind to everyone. Awesome scientist and person!
To admit error publicly is one of the things that I believe demonstrates the greatest intelligence. That someone has the ability to objectively look at their work and correct it, is SO important. As a personal aside: "I was wrong. Here's what I did wrong, and here's how I fixed it so it will not happen again..." has saved my ass in so many situations through life.
In life as in science, the truth always wins in the end, no matter how many layers we burry it under. To admit a mistake or to own up to a misdeed is really the only option. Thank you for another great upload professor. There is a greater message here for all of those who want to see it.
I feel lucky to have learned, when I was young, to admit when I make a mistake. Contrary to intuition, it gives others more confidence in you when they know you'll be honest when the inevitable mistakes occur. I strongly believe it's helped me get to where I am in my career and has made me a better person. I really can't imagine the opposite, the stress of lying or covering up mistakes when it's so much easier to own up and present a plan to ensure the same mistake won't happen again!
Thanks a LOT for the interview, dr. Kipping! 😃 It's great to hear from a real scientist and humble human being... Even more in times like this, with lots of scandals happening with fake data and so on... It's refreshing. Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Your intro is a much needed public statement on the issues facing modern academia, and the science it puts out. It's applicable across the entire spectrum of science and it has gone ignored for too long. Sadly I don't think anything will change n the near future, but at least one voice with an audience inadvertently touched upon it.
So refreshing. Thank you for sharing this story. And thanks to Prof. Bailes for his integrity. I have found admitting my own mistakes has been one of my best qualitifications, because it has propelled my learning to a new degree.
Let's not forget the story of Alex Wolszczan, who had to follow up Andrew Lyne's "retraction talk" with his own talk saying "we discovered pulsar planets -- no really, we did" while being unaware of what the talk before his would ultimately be about. The clincher in Wolszczan's data was that he detected two pulsar planets, and was able to measure the pattern of timing variations induced by the gravitational interactions between the two pulsar planets, not just a simple periodic signal.
Ive been intrested in science since I was six years old .I got a science text book when I was six and that was when I first learned about black holes .
Thank you so much for this story. It's so important for people to be acknowledged for doing the right thing. These guys did a great thing and as you say, they stood up for the integrity and spirit of science and what it means for us all. As for you and this channel, what a wonderful and unique thing it is. I appreciate your calm, measured and engaging style. I could listen to you speak all day, not only for the knowledge and efficiency in communication but for the way your personality, empathy and humanity really shine through. Cheers, Matt (Sydney, AU)
Owning up to one's mistakes takes an enormous amount of courage, deep down we all know that is exactly the right thing to do. Admitting a mistake is not an admission of incompetence.
This reminds me a bit of the Michelson-Morley experiment. Sometimes a mistake in theory or a failed result can indeed advance science rather than hold it back, if the real data is admitted and accepted in an open way. Their is no shame in error if it is held high as an opportunity for constructive criticism and a learning experience.
Thanks for this video. If a person is truly a person of science, then admitting failure is always the right thing to do, and I think earns the respect of fellow scientists, then ultimately puts the person on the path to success in the long run.
Strangely enough very few, so called, scientists have the capacity and integrity to change their minds, much less openly admit that they got something wrong or made a mistake. Yet doing precisely that is the very backbone of science (and even civilisation as a whole). It's an iterative process. We all make mistakes, get things wrong, and misunderstand. We all shift our opinions a bit over time. What really sets a scientist apart as a great one, or a person as truly honest is the ability to quickly change your mind in the face of new or better information, which includes realising that you made a mistake or didn't think something through enough. I have enormous respect for the few people capable of this and nobody who wouldn't or couldn't do what the team involved in this story did should be called a scientist. Everyone makes errors, correcting our errors is what makes anyone of us great and to stand out from the rest. Professor Bailes and his mentor stands out like shining examples that we should all strive to emulate in every aspect of our lives.
I'm too self destructive, I am a believer in integrity I'd stand up and tell the truth. I've been asked about my tendency to shoot myself in the feet. My answer is always it was not true. I couldn't live with myself if I lied.
“What he was really observing… was the maintenance schedule” 😂🤣😂. I love how you phrased that. And, of course, what this guy *should* have done is claim discovery of the first few hundred planetary systems, the first “fully populated” spherical quadrant / field of view, of space 😄
This hurts. I got fired - in probation - at a bank for exposing just how bad the data - it was rotten to the core - after weeks of exposing it and being told to 'get on with my job' and not to speak to my colleagues about the substantial errors in the data. (The data was invented to fill holes in the database because someone didn't collect the data at the time.) And it didn't make any sense and was contradictory, but hey shoot the messenger. I hate my former boss more than anything.
This was wonderful to see. Of course, the entire scientific method is set up to correct for the errors of individuals. And that is noble enough on its own. But it's especially good to see scientists out there who are willing to publicly correct mistakes in their own research and conclusions. Given what may be personally at stake for them, that takes extraordinary character.
That's one of the most courageous things I've ever seen in science. The ability to stand up and say "I was wrong" is one of the rarest yet most important parts of good science.
Excellent, I discovered this channel yesterday. I’ll say this.. David Attenborough brought us nature and wildlife. You bring us space, time and astronomy. Thank you!
I really appreciate you sharing the story. I get so tired of all the videos on science scandal and scam. They never mention anything about the honesty and integrity of the majority of scientists. Bravo
Important to never forget about humility, a good way in science is to remember that we advance by trial and error, and that is human nature to fail, and it is equally human nature to stand up, recover, learn from our mistakes and keep searching to understand how nature works! Thank you for sharing this story, very important for all of us scientist to stand to high ethical standards, which is something in great peril at the current moment.
I could feel the disappointment and frustration through the screen, so glad they found the courage to do the right thing even through those hard feelings. ❤
Really enjoyed this video. The strength to do this is unimaginable and showcasing it is awesome. 2 things, in my opinion, it reduces pressure to do this in the future but also encourages it as well (which i love) I cant imagine the pressure in such a narrow field where the glory is so sought after... it feels like the system is a bit flawed in that sense. Thank you for these videos, giving us enthusiasts a peek into this area of study we love so much!
I wish you'd asked him to explain a great discovery for which he can take a good amount of credit. I have a passing interest in astronomy, and now the only thing I know Professor Bailes for is "that guy that was wrong about an exoplanet that time", which I feel is probably an incredible disservice to him.
@@CoolWorldsLab Listen, you're the guy who makes youtube videos, and I'm just an idiot who watches them, so I can only give you my perspective here. I overstepped my mark in the initial comment providing a suggestion, that's not my job. I watch this channel whenever it puts up a video. A lot of them talk about exoplanets, so I'm at least somewhat familiar with the idea. This video has one sentence in passing, saying he is a "giant" in two fields without explanation, (what is an FRB? I know what a pulsar is but why is he a "giant"? Did he capture that waveform that Joy Division used?). This is followed by an exactly sixteen minute interview with the man who found and then unfound the very first exoplanet, which completely blows the aforementioned sentence out of my (tiny) brain.
@@Asdayasman Excuse me. You asked what FRB was and I answered that. And no, I didn’t miss your point. I just thought you’d like a little extra info on the guy, which is why I mentioned the wiki.
Very well said. Massive respect. Reminds me of the fusion reactor nonsense on power production levels how it was reported by scientists as well or the wormhole being created in a lab (yeah on paper). No real retractions for that.
Please dont advertise BH. It's a very bad thing. Mental health is important, and BH will not help anyone. They sell data and have very bad services. People are left worse off than when they started in many cases. I deeply respect your work Professor, but please dont diminish yourself with such bad sponsors.
It does help plenty of people! That’s naive to say, almost disregarding the fact it’s saved lives, including my own. I do however agree that online therapy no matter how introverted you are, IS NOT a good thing. Therapy needs to be in person. But you can’t just say that (most likely) without ever trying it.
@@eval_is_evil it’s a fraud. Like calling yerself a lord and planting a tree. Plus it’s sick to prey on unstable people. The only thing good is its destigmatising of getting help.
What is sad about a culture who only makes time and space for "success stories" is that THIS is actually super informative! If we can somehow encourage this sort of culture think of how much we would all learn from each other!
Lol on the BetterHelp sponsorship and the transition. Not completely expected, and a bit awkward given the context of a science video. But, KUDOS for going there, and YES, those moments can absolutely destroy a person. So good job!!!
Honesty despite how mortifying it felt ! Feeling so proud for them! I totally get the standing ovation❤ I teach in a working environment ( healthcare) and tell everyone, be honest, say what you don’t understand or know. Do not be embarrassed nor a free styling cowboy. Obviously the stakes are high in healthcare. We only succeed as individuals or a team, if we work together as a team with honesty. The pressures around us make it hard. What a wise Prof you are. Again just found this channel🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Man, what awesome comments! Should have read them before posting mine. Just a ton a reinforcement about how respected humility can be. So many of us have been there
Prof Kipping, I recall when new of a planet around a neutron star first came out. While I do not recall the retraction, I am not professionally involved in the field. Nonetheless I just wanted to add that I am thankful for your scientist/moral philosopher perspective. for lack of a better description. You pull it off in a rather impressive manner.
Everyone working in a technical field has experienced bugs like some value in some file not getting updated properly. To be tricked by this into believing something major is literally a nightmare scenario. I'm happy that the people at that conference had the empathy to celebrate his honesty coming forward with the mistake.
I was at Jodrell when they called a general meeting to announce the original paper. I remember that there was a lot of skepticism about that periodicity, notably from John Ponsonby. The work had been kept very secret inside the Pulsar group until they were ready to publish, and perhaps with less secrecy the mistake might have been avoided. It is also a salient reminder of just how difficult it is to analyse data today, where the effect that you are looking for is small compared to all the other possible signals that you are not interested in!
To me, the times I've felt the greatest sigh of relief was when I found out I was wrong about something, and then admitted it to the rightful person. It was like a weight off my shoulders, and then I could finally work to correct myself and make amends. 😊
It is a an unfortunate sign of our times that we live in an era of con artists & misinformation. It happens throughout our culture. We do have science to keep us on track though. When the disciplines of a culture fail it will be reduced to the waste of a doomed civilization. Great video...
I play a videogame called eve online. There used to be a mini game in which we would look at those periodic graphs (that were part of actual datasets) as a form of open source scientific data processing. I was very young at the time so didn't quite get it but its really cool that this video has retroactively made it make sense. The same game and minigame exist but instead of exoplanets its now crowdsource data processing for some sort of cell analysis
You open your video with the presentation of an interesting ethical proposition. When ego, pride, success, and reputations get in the way of scientific missteps. Sound Scientific Investigation demands that scientists have the courage and integrity to admit and correct those errors, then to bring these to the attention of their peers. This is benchmark of good science, and the scientific review process. Sometimes swallowing ones pride and admitting a mistake, is the mark of real integrity.
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Please dont sponsor charlatans like better help. They are only a business, mental health isnt a business, better help exploit people for money under the guise of helping…… Mr Kipping Sir, with all due respect, shame on you for choosing such a partner……… Love you, Love your work and special the podcast but really? Who on your team guided you this way?
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@@JapanZen Agreed. So many RUclipsrs I love keep accepting Better Help sponsorships, and it's really disheartening. Better Help has so many documented issues including not kept patient information secure, and do not treat their costumers and therapists they've hired well. Please take a closer look at your sponsorships before accepting.
I also heard there is some criticism about better help. I haven't done too much research on it. But they are not what they appear. Since the video is about objective scientists and stuff. Maybe research what's going on with better help? I get you have a lot of sponsors and betterhelp seems like a cool business.. but I don't think they are....
Dont shill Better Help. Please look deeper and look at some testimonials of how awful their services are.
Science is hard.
Math is hard.
Integrity is harder.
Mad respect for standing up for all three.
90% of today's "The Science" is complete BS. The further away from reality and testing, the higher the percentage.
"Scientists" are most certainly not truth seekers.
indeed
I was always taught that the reason we can trust science is that peers are trying to prove a scientist's results wrong.
By my math, a scientist that has the wisdom to prove and admit his own result wrong is exactly TWICE as valuable than one who requires the additional peer.
I showed this to my wife. We've have been in the process of divorce that I can confidently state, is now on hold. I've had trouble expressing how much I look up to people that can change their mind. I've been in the right in regards to the impetus of our issues. But I have to be willing to now practice what I preach in regards to the solutions. Not just quit. Thanks again. You have a wider impact than science.
Good luck my man; hope you two stay together and stronger.
@@stz03 thanks man. It's complicated and I've spent two long years putting in the effort for both of us. It's not something either of us chose, but I can't be the only one looking for a solution. I'm sorry to say, it looks dire once again. She feels hurt and betrayed because she thought I was cheating on her and helping others to spy on her. I was not, nor ever would. But the feelings she had were real so according to her, I betrayed her trust and broke her heart regardless the fact I didn't do those things. She conjured that up, yet I still get blamed. It's an untenable position that breeds contempt. I don't have any good options. I still see glimpses of the person she used to be, that's what makes it so difficult. She won't accept things I tell her. Too much venom. Time to save myself.
@benjaminbeard3736 Show her some funny memes or motivational posters. Not to mention all those hilarious cat pictures, those can surely hold your marriage together for a few more years...
@@offsidev6059 cats are the solution, they are the key to world peace
"I've been in the right" is the reason you're getting divorced and continuing to talk like that is your fault.
I was in this situation in grad school. I was literally writing my dissertation and was almost done. I could’ve covered it up and no one would’ve noticed for years, if ever. No one was checking my results. I went straight to my advisor, totally dejected, and told him I’d made a mistake. He was understanding and allowed me to repeat the key experiments for my thesis project. In the end, the conclusions were the same. But I felt better by admitting my error immediately, fixing it, and repeating my research.
Thank you, honorable human.
That’s great 👍👍
So where can we read your work?
Reminds me when I thought I had a proof for pi n had an error, was so mad at myself for overlooking a dam definition I made
I am happy for you. But this aspect of academia soured me. Stopped at an MFA. Had I picked a different school things may have been different. But I'm glad for the experience.
I once spent years on a theoretical paper based on some very involved perturbation calculus, and it was absolutely crushing when a referee pointed out a minor error that gutted every single result - but after another year fixing things, I was able to tie it all together far more beautifully, and it was definitely all worth it
Prof. Bailes is clearly a man & a scientist of enormous integrity and courage. Let's hope his example is followed by others, else the science naysayers will surely win. I come across this problem in my field (medicine) and I assure you there is not as much humility.
Thank you for sharing this.
As an MD myself, I can deeply agree. Humility is highly needed in our field (and it's painfully absent).
Mistakes can feel bad for sure, but the only people not making mistakes are those who don't work at all. And let's not forget that we learn from our mistakes, not from our successes.
We all know Prof. Bailes is one of very few exceptions. Scientists are just humans, and humans tend to be hypocrites. (And full of prejudices, too; that's why you and others here immediately jump to the idiotic concluson that I am a "science naysayer.")
“A world that celebrates stubbornness” is actually putting a kind, hopeful face on the matter. All too often, tragically, it’s a world that celebrates outright lies.
Prof.Bailes what an amazing human being. Thank you Cool World for this amazing look at history!
There is no more believable statement than " I was Wrong" and its great integrity.
Can you imagine a politician in any level of office local or federal... making such an acknowledgement?
yup, and I was wrong about believing in relativity
Relativity is false ?
believe me, I've experienced that sinking feeling ... that horrified thought "how will we tell others!" and then a cold numbness... then the finality of it - that u have to accept the truth and tell it - as it is! It takes courage to do the right thing! congratulations! kudos!
It's very difficult to convince someone they're wrong if their career/life depends on it. Those that admit to their mistakes deserve the utmost respect, celebration, and fame.
This has to be one of the best science videos I have seen on RUclips. I think this does so much for the credibility of science in general. I was once in the same position, after publishing a paper (not anywhere near the same impact as an exoplanet discovery, mind you) and then having to tell the principal investigator that I had made a software error. The discovery of that error was one of the worst moments of my life, but the reaction and support I got from the PI and the rest of the team was one of the best.
The honesty and ability to humble themselves snd admit they made a mistake is so refreshing and respectable. I can completely understand why they got a standing ovation. Science is such a tricky subject and its full of 100s of examples of theories and ideas that ended up being incorrect. Even when mistakes are made, they're not useless. They're another learning experience.
To discover integrity in public figures is a greater and more beneficial find than discovering exoplanets.
Pretty sure I’ve watched all of the CW videos on RUclips. This is one of the very best, it’s so “human” - thank you
Wow, thank you!
I really appreciated the unedited interview, despite it's lack of cinematics. There's few moments like these in our lives in which we can truly shape who we want to be and become. Watching the interview, it seemed that he unfortunately, still, blames himself for his past mistakes. I hope he understands the importance of the message he conveyed. Thank you for bringing it to us. :)
Yeah! Despite the low energy, it took me on a journey ^^
Hadn't heard the full story before, a good watch. The world would be in a far better place if more people had such integrity.
Definitely worth applauding how much courage it took to admit that mistake alongside any major discovery that withstands scrutiny.
Absolutely loved this video. Integrity is sadly an uncommon characteristic these days and I really appreciate you making a video about this story. The interview was so wholesome and he was so humbled and almost vulnerable. You can definitely tell he was genuinely upset about the mistake. Keep up the good work professor
I sincerely appreciate your videos Prof. Kipping. When I was younger I read everything I could possibly get my hands on from Carl Sagan, these days I patiently wait for your new videos to drop. There is definitely a correlation between you and him. You, too, are able to romanticize these complex subjects, and that is truly a gift you have been given. Thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for being you.
Not an academic but just love these videos. Thank you Prof.
This is a great story of science done right. When politics, ego, theology and ideology are stripped away this is how things should be done.
Impressive interview.
There’s a story of an architect who had his building built and then learned it had a flaw and could topple. He went public to save lives and the New York skyline. Whole time thinking he’s finished yet instead he was celebrated. (The building was for a bank, it’s elevated to leave a church underneath untouched)
We all make mistakes. How we handle them is what defines us.
Amen.
exactly, and I made my choice
Thanks professor Kipping your videos are the ones I hope pop up the most, you guys are the best.
Thanks so much
Would tiny Darwin a moon in my scfi universe with a Venus sized moon have an atmosphere at gadameat distance? As I've heard there radiation tortuses are horrible around gas giants.
I have such massive respect for people that stand up and admit they are wrong, it's so hard to do. Huge respect to this man and his team, and thanks for bringing us this wonderful story Dr. Kipping.
I was at an astronomy conference where the speaker did get a standing ovation. John Mather was to give a talk at a meeting of the American Astronomical Society in 1992 on the latest results from the Cosmic Background Explorer (COBE). He walked onto the stage and without saying a word, signaled for the first slide of the talk to be projected on the screen. This slide was just a plot showing the Black Body curve of the Universe derived from COBE data. Everyone immediately recognized the significance of that plot and the 1000 or so people in the audience simultaneously stood up and gave him a standing ovation. The applause lasted for quite some time, and only when the applause died down did he speak, first introducing himself and then mentioning the names of his collaborators.
Not too unexpectedly, my own poster paper at the conference garnered far less interest. Anyway, John Mather got the Nobel Prize in Physics in 2006 and I still work in obscurity.
Stay true, your time will come 💫
This may be my favorite of all the Cool Worlds' posts I have enjoyed. I believe I have seen all of them. Thank you!
I love this so much! The humility to recognize and admit error makes us better, better as people and better as a society. It’s incredibly powerful to do so openly. Wonderful presentation Cool Worlds team
800k!!! You did it, David! A millie is right around the corner. You deserve it. Your channel is incredible.
The shame would be difficult to deal with for me, so I can only applaud their courage to be open about what happened. Great video!
I went to a physics club event where Bailes met us all in person (mostly 1st and 2nd year physics majors) and he was so generous and kind to everyone. Awesome scientist and person!
To admit error publicly is one of the things that I believe demonstrates the greatest intelligence. That someone has the ability to objectively look at their work and correct it, is SO important.
As a personal aside: "I was wrong. Here's what I did wrong, and here's how I fixed it so it will not happen again..." has saved my ass in so many situations through life.
In life as in science, the truth always wins in the end, no matter how many layers we burry it under.
To admit a mistake or to own up to a misdeed is really the only option.
Thank you for another great upload professor. There is a greater message here for all of those who
want to see it.
I feel lucky to have learned, when I was young, to admit when I make a mistake. Contrary to intuition, it gives others more confidence in you when they know you'll be honest when the inevitable mistakes occur. I strongly believe it's helped me get to where I am in my career and has made me a better person. I really can't imagine the opposite, the stress of lying or covering up mistakes when it's so much easier to own up and present a plan to ensure the same mistake won't happen again!
I greatly respect those who can admit when they are wrong. And I endeavor to be that kind of person.
Thanks a LOT for the interview, dr. Kipping! 😃
It's great to hear from a real scientist and humble human being... Even more in times like this, with lots of scandals happening with fake data and so on... It's refreshing.
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Your intro is a much needed public statement on the issues facing modern academia, and the science it puts out. It's applicable across the entire spectrum of science and it has gone ignored for too long.
Sadly I don't think anything will change n the near future, but at least one voice with an audience inadvertently touched upon it.
So refreshing. Thank you for sharing this story. And thanks to Prof. Bailes for his integrity. I have found admitting my own mistakes has been one of my best qualitifications, because it has propelled my learning to a new degree.
The great discovery here is honesty... Such a rare find nowadays. My absolute respect!
Let's not forget the story of Alex Wolszczan, who had to follow up Andrew Lyne's "retraction talk" with his own talk saying "we discovered pulsar planets -- no really, we did" while being unaware of what the talk before his would ultimately be about. The clincher in Wolszczan's data was that he detected two pulsar planets, and was able to measure the pattern of timing variations induced by the gravitational interactions between the two pulsar planets, not just a simple periodic signal.
Excellent episode. As an Australian (earth) scientist I’m especially proud of Dr Bailes.
Ive been intrested in science since I was six years old .I got a science text book when I was six and that was when I first learned about black holes .
wow
Thank you so much for this story. It's so important for people to be acknowledged for doing the right thing. These guys did a great thing and as you say, they stood up for the integrity and spirit of science and what it means for us all. As for you and this channel, what a wonderful and unique thing it is. I appreciate your calm, measured and engaging style. I could listen to you speak all day, not only for the knowledge and efficiency in communication but for the way your personality, empathy and humanity really shine through. Cheers, Matt (Sydney, AU)
Owning up to one's mistakes takes an enormous amount of courage, deep down we all know that is exactly the right thing to do. Admitting a mistake is not an admission of incompetence.
This reminds me a bit of the Michelson-Morley experiment. Sometimes a mistake in theory or a failed result can indeed advance science rather than hold it back, if the real data is admitted and accepted in an open way. Their is no shame in error if it is held high as an opportunity for constructive criticism and a learning experience.
In the final conversation, to end on a positive note- ‘although mistakes were made, thank you for the science!’
Thanks for this video. If a person is truly a person of science, then admitting failure is always the right thing to do, and I think earns the respect of fellow scientists, then ultimately puts the person on the path to success in the long run.
Strangely enough very few, so called, scientists have the capacity and integrity to change their minds, much less openly admit that they got something wrong or made a mistake. Yet doing precisely that is the very backbone of science (and even civilisation as a whole). It's an iterative process. We all make mistakes, get things wrong, and misunderstand. We all shift our opinions a bit over time.
What really sets a scientist apart as a great one, or a person as truly honest is the ability to quickly change your mind in the face of new or better information, which includes realising that you made a mistake or didn't think something through enough.
I have enormous respect for the few people capable of this and nobody who wouldn't or couldn't do what the team involved in this story did should be called a scientist.
Everyone makes errors, correcting our errors is what makes anyone of us great and to stand out from the rest. Professor Bailes and his mentor stands out like shining examples that we should all strive to emulate in every aspect of our lives.
I'm too self destructive, I am a believer in integrity I'd stand up and tell the truth. I've been asked about my tendency to shoot myself in the feet. My answer is always it was not true. I couldn't live with myself if I lied.
That's integrity. You only feel bad because others' lie and have an overactive self-preservation 'gene'.
I think in the grand history of space science, this moment deserves a spot up around "Failure is not an option."
“What he was really observing… was the maintenance schedule” 😂🤣😂. I love how you phrased that. And, of course, what this guy *should* have done is claim discovery of the first few hundred planetary systems, the first “fully populated” spherical quadrant / field of view, of space 😄
This hurts.
I got fired - in probation - at a bank for exposing just how bad the data - it was rotten to the core - after weeks of exposing it and being told to 'get on with my job' and not to speak to my colleagues about the substantial errors in the data. (The data was invented to fill holes in the database because someone didn't collect the data at the time.) And it didn't make any sense and was contradictory, but hey shoot the messenger.
I hate my former boss more than anything.
That’s awful, sorry that happened to you
Thanks@@CoolWorldsLab
They fired you. But if they acknowledge the problem and make a change, you may have saved their business!
This was wonderful to see. Of course, the entire scientific method is set up to correct for the errors of individuals. And that is noble enough on its own. But it's especially good to see scientists out there who are willing to publicly correct mistakes in their own research and conclusions. Given what may be personally at stake for them, that takes extraordinary character.
Fantastic story. Removal of ego often reveals greater truths.
May you get the JWST time on exo-moons that you deserve
YES
That's one of the most courageous things I've ever seen in science. The ability to stand up and say "I was wrong" is one of the rarest yet most important parts of good science.
Excellent, I discovered this channel yesterday. I’ll say this.. David Attenborough brought us nature and wildlife. You bring us space, time and astronomy. Thank you!
Thankyou. One of your very best presentations yet. With our best yet to come. ❤
I really appreciate you sharing the story. I get so tired of all the videos on science scandal and scam. They never mention anything about the honesty and integrity of the majority of scientists. Bravo
I might be crazy, but this story actually brought tears to my eyes several times. Tears of respect and hope for humanity..
Beautifull. That is an awesome story and was very courageous of them to admit they were wrong
Important to never forget about humility, a good way in science is to remember that we advance by trial and error, and that is human nature to fail, and it is equally human nature to stand up, recover, learn from our mistakes and keep searching to understand how nature works! Thank you for sharing this story, very important for all of us scientist to stand to high ethical standards, which is something in great peril at the current moment.
Just another outstanding video! Thank you prof. Kipping!
I could feel the disappointment and frustration through the screen, so glad they found the courage to do the right thing even through those hard feelings. ❤
Thank you. This was a good video, and related to everyday life far more than most videos about astronomy.
Kudos for highlighting this story. Indeed, humility is, at this moment more than ever, alas a quality in short supply
Really enjoyed this video.
The strength to do this is unimaginable and showcasing it is awesome. 2 things, in my opinion, it reduces pressure to do this in the future but also encourages it as well (which i love)
I cant imagine the pressure in such a narrow field where the glory is so sought after... it feels like the system is a bit flawed in that sense.
Thank you for these videos, giving us enthusiasts a peek into this area of study we love so much!
This is how things should be in science. Everyone should accept when someone admits mistakes.
Dr. Dave and the cool worlds team, this episode puts the heartbeat into Tombaugh regio.
I wish you'd asked him to explain a great discovery for which he can take a good amount of credit. I have a passing interest in astronomy, and now the only thing I know Professor Bailes for is "that guy that was wrong about an exoplanet that time", which I feel is probably an incredible disservice to him.
As mentioned in the video, he’s made major contributions to the study of pulsars and the discovery of fast radio bursts
@@CoolWorldsLab Listen, you're the guy who makes youtube videos, and I'm just an idiot who watches them, so I can only give you my perspective here. I overstepped my mark in the initial comment providing a suggestion, that's not my job.
I watch this channel whenever it puts up a video. A lot of them talk about exoplanets, so I'm at least somewhat familiar with the idea.
This video has one sentence in passing, saying he is a "giant" in two fields without explanation, (what is an FRB? I know what a pulsar is but why is he a "giant"? Did he capture that waveform that Joy Division used?).
This is followed by an exactly sixteen minute interview with the man who found and then unfound the very first exoplanet, which completely blows the aforementioned sentence out of my (tiny) brain.
@@AsdayasmanFRB=Fast Radio Burst and Prof Bailes has a wiki page to see what he’s done/doing.
@@GrumpyOldFart2 I believe you've missed my point.
@@Asdayasman Excuse me. You asked what FRB was and I answered that. And no, I didn’t miss your point. I just thought you’d like a little extra info on the guy, which is why I mentioned the wiki.
A truly touching and inspiring episode. Bravo to them, and to you and your team.
Very well said. Massive respect. Reminds me of the fusion reactor nonsense on power production levels how it was reported by scientists as well or the wormhole being created in a lab (yeah on paper). No real retractions for that.
Please dont advertise BH. It's a very bad thing. Mental health is important, and BH will not help anyone. They sell data and have very bad services. People are left worse off than when they started in many cases. I deeply respect your work Professor, but please dont diminish yourself with such bad sponsors.
Second this
Yeas take the vote
Why? What happened?
It does help plenty of people! That’s naive to say, almost disregarding the fact it’s saved lives, including my own. I do however agree that online therapy no matter how introverted you are, IS NOT a good thing. Therapy needs to be in person. But you can’t just say that (most likely) without ever trying it.
@@eval_is_evil it’s a fraud. Like calling yerself a lord and planting a tree. Plus it’s sick to prey on unstable people. The only thing good is its destigmatising of getting help.
What is sad about a culture who only makes time and space for "success stories" is that THIS is actually super informative!
If we can somehow encourage this sort of culture think of how much we would all learn from each other!
Lol on the BetterHelp sponsorship and the transition. Not completely expected, and a bit awkward given the context of a science video. But, KUDOS for going there, and YES, those moments can absolutely destroy a person. So good job!!!
Lol yeah video about integrity sponsored by BetterHelp 😅
Honesty despite how mortifying it felt ! Feeling so proud for them! I totally get the standing ovation❤
I teach in a working environment ( healthcare) and tell everyone, be honest, say what you don’t understand or know. Do not be embarrassed nor a free styling cowboy. Obviously the stakes are high in healthcare. We only succeed as individuals or a team, if we work together as a team with honesty.
The pressures around us make it hard.
What a wise Prof you are.
Again just found this channel🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Man, what awesome comments! Should have read them before posting mine.
Just a ton a reinforcement about how respected humility can be.
So many of us have been there
Prof Kipping, I recall when new of a planet around a neutron star first came out. While I do not recall the retraction, I am not professionally involved in the field. Nonetheless I just wanted to add that I am thankful for your scientist/moral philosopher perspective. for lack of a better description. You pull it off in a rather impressive manner.
All the respect for Dr. Bailes and his team. I'm not sure I would be brave enough to do that.
Everyone working in a technical field has experienced bugs like some value in some file not getting updated properly. To be tricked by this into believing something major is literally a nightmare scenario. I'm happy that the people at that conference had the empathy to celebrate his honesty coming forward with the mistake.
Congratulations on 800,000 subscribers! And here's to 800,000 more!
As usual you taught us a very useful lesson
I was at Jodrell when they called a general meeting to announce the original paper. I remember that there was a lot of skepticism about that periodicity, notably from John Ponsonby. The work had been kept very secret inside the Pulsar group until they were ready to publish, and perhaps with less secrecy the mistake might have been avoided. It is also a salient reminder of just how difficult it is to analyse data today, where the effect that you are looking for is small compared to all the other possible signals that you are not interested in!
What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Great video!
To me, the times I've felt the greatest sigh of relief was when I found out I was wrong about something, and then admitted it to the rightful person. It was like a weight off my shoulders, and then I could finally work to correct myself and make amends. 😊
Always waiting for your next video ❤
Wonderful integrity like this is so rare.
It is a an unfortunate sign of our times that we live in an era of con artists & misinformation. It happens throughout our culture. We do have science to keep us on track though. When the disciplines of a culture fail it will be reduced to the waste of a doomed civilization. Great video...
Science can and is easily corrupted by money though, just look at how many climate con artists there are
That's such a great attitude to have after all that.
But feeling bad for doing the right thing is hard to shake off.
Thank you for these great videos! Your thoughts are always very inspiring and insightful.
Honesty and transparency are the lifeblood of science. We should take care to make sure scientists feel safe when they make mistakes to reveal them.
I play a videogame called eve online. There used to be a mini game in which we would look at those periodic graphs (that were part of actual datasets) as a form of open source scientific data processing. I was very young at the time so didn't quite get it but its really cool that this video has retroactively made it make sense.
The same game and minigame exist but instead of exoplanets its now crowdsource data processing for some sort of cell analysis
Wow! Great to hear about this humbleness.
Well presented! 😊
Great interview!
Nothing that is lasting and good comes easy. In a manner of speaking.
Thank you for the video.
Wow. So much respect for him.
You open your video with the presentation of an interesting ethical proposition. When ego, pride, success, and reputations get in the way of scientific missteps. Sound Scientific Investigation demands that scientists have the courage and integrity to admit and correct those errors, then to bring these to the attention of their peers. This is benchmark of good science, and the scientific review process.
Sometimes swallowing ones pride and admitting a mistake, is the mark of real integrity.
Excellent video. It's hard to admit when you're wrong and takes a lot of humility.