Exactly. As soon as the VAR sees the Tottenham player lining up to take the free kick or even when he kicks it surely the VAR officials should shout stop play to the ref and say you’ve not awarded the goal. Or surely the VAR officials should have seen on their screens the 0-0 score line and intervened then as well!! Madness.
What I find absolutely ridiculous is that players and managers get heavily fined, but the refs are completely unaccountable and can get off with a simple and meaningless "sorry"
There was no "Sorry". No apologies have been forthcoming, just an admission of a "factual error". Disgusting. Reeks of match fixing. No official, or pair of officials, could possibly be that inept and incompetent. Brown bags galore at the PGMOL. The head of the PGMOL was an 'ambassador' for football in the Middle East. It seems like he's picked up a few habits over there and schooled his minions on dishonesty and corruption.
They’re all corrupt and the evidence is there , same ref who cheated wolves for United where they apologized to Wolves is reffing Liverpool Biggest match in the month where we could’ve been top of the league
Don’t forget Liverpool was only one point behind Man City which won the title last season. So yesterday’s three points or one point could potentially make the title race very significant for Liverpool this season!
Don't forget that Liverpool were gifted the Carabou Cup in 2002 by VAR corruption. They lost the game on the pitch and won it via the biased subjectivity in back room office on an industrial estate in Uxbridge
Never mind the people who bet the draw or Liverpool over goals what happens to use we just get robbed of our money? That can’t happen this is a disgrace
How does the VAR not just say: "Check complete - the goal stands" or "Check complete - no offside". Surely that eliminates every possible miscommunication. Incredible!
In the first place, when consulting the var officials, shouldn't the field referee say something like liverpool player number x has just scored a goal but my linesman called him offside therefore I have to disallow the goal, please advise...???🤔
I'm a Spurs fan and I think it was a disgrace. If that happened to us I'd be furious, well i remember the Pedro Mendes goal against Man Utd that was over the line but disallowed, this one is as bad!!
Seeing United fans up in arms about it is telling. This was another failure by PGMOL, another failure by Darren England & Simon Hooper.. Howard Webb & those other two should be fired immediately.
The big question is what impact will this robbery against Liverpool have come the end of the season. We have seen City win the league by a point . An apology for things like these just isn’t enough given the impact it can have on the final table.
Liverpool were all cheering when corrupt VAR disallowed an onside goal to gift them the Carabou Cup in 2002 and that cheat changed history... so Kharma !!
So many things were ruined by this game. Our unbeaten streak, our winning streak, being able to go top of the premier league, and Salah’s goal contribution record.
Even if they can’t change the score, they should still legally count Salah’s assist and Diaz’s goal as part of the statistics for the premier league. That is the LEAST they can do and I don’t see why not. Give the man his assist and Diaz his goal and let them count in the stats
No human error, it was done intentionally along with the red card and the 2 yellows for jota. It was deemed that Liverpool were not to win that game, so the match SHOULD BE REPLAYED
@@chuak.c7349 Well, you've inadvertently hit the nail on the head. Many feel that VAR is biased & fixing games, etc. That's the problem: no confidence leads to doubt & suspicion. That's become an overall theme now. This technology should simply be objective. The World Cup semi automated technology will have to be introduced asap. The very fact that an awful lot of fans are feeling the system is rigged against their teams, etc., is proof that VAR is failing as it stands right now. After this incident, the conspiracy theories will go through the roof. Everyone is impacted by this. This may be the best thing that's happened in the 5 years since VAR has been in use because it will force necessary changes to be made. They can't just send out an apology and have things continue on as before. I don't think this was an attempt at fixing a match at all. I think it was a complete breakdown of the system caused by people simply not focused on doing their professional duty. That's why this is so huge ~ too big to be a match fixing incident, etc. They've even had to release a major apology due to the complete failure of their system. Now things will have to change for the better.
As a AC milan I can only only apologise to Liverpool and there wonderful fans. Both Red Cards where incorrect Jones foot rolled of the top of the ball and momentum took Jones into the player. Jota, was given a yellow for the spurs player tripping himself up. Corruption at the highest level
Really he imay be right, the first yellow card for Jota was not meant to be if the ref looked closely. The guy hit Jota’s knee and tripped but it appears as though Jota did it. Anyways, Jota should have known that he was on a yellow and he should have a voided the 2nd.
@@BeobachterofTruth I presume you are implying both red cards were correct despite most if not all footballers/pundits saying otherwise? You should stop watching football, perhaps watch frisbee, a little more to your liking.
Even after VAR review, coaches ought to have two opportunities per game to challenge these decisions and have them further reviewed (similar to American football challenge flags). Just a thought to correct these massive VAR errors that can unfairly alter PL standings.
@@smey02 No, not at all, should have been a draw if they had scored the penalty, we will get no more decisions for the rest of the season because of it, if we get relegated the overpaid frauds who play for us get a huge pay cut, that would serves them right for being overpaid mercenaries.
They are skating over that fact the VAR officials for this game were in UAE, the country of the Man City owners less than 48 hours before the game and suddenly make the worst decisions ever seen on VAR on a weekend Man City lose that hurts Man City’s biggest rival. This pure corrupt and the media are trying to cover this up.
@@kangamangus95in the 1970s there was champions league/ European Cup semifinal between Bayern and Leeds United and the referee was constantly giving bad calls against Leeds. On his deathbed in 2010 the ref confessed to taking money to fix the match for Bayern to win. Who knows how long it will take for Darren England confess?
Who says you can’t go back once spurs kick off. It’s another arbitrary rule that doesn’t mean anything. They should have called it back even 60 seconds later once they realised what had happened. We don’t want these silly rules, we want the CORRECT DECISIONS
Yeah what’s next call back the 2002 World Cup game Italy vs Korea. Once a decision is made it’s made if it’s wrong jobs should be on the line. But replying and calling it back that’s not football.
I mean, their "excuse" / "explanation", whichever you want to call it, does make a lot of sense though. The VAR is there to intervene in case a bad decision is made. If for whatever reason they do not get a view of the linesman raising his flag or any other immediate indicator that the goal was flagged offside, then yeah. This would be immediately remedied if the VAR is verbally made aware of a ref's or linesman's decision. I just cannot figure out how these people in positions of authority over this VAR system cannot seem to get even the basics right.
He failed to see multiple things happening which would indicate it's been flagged for offside in a game he's paid to watch extremely closely and make decisive calls, I'm sorry that's simply unacceptable.
I'm surprised there's not any tech in the lineman's flag, cos it'd be so bloody easy to implement. Even cheap phones have gyroscopes, and know when they're pointing up or down or whatever, so surely you could put one into the flag, and have that software-linked to a giant light in the VAR room, so they know what they have to assess.
4 guys in the var booth. Not one person seeing the flag up and alerting the rest that the call was offside originally. Even if they are in doubt, should’ve checked with ref what the call was and they should’ve reversed it at that point. Going fwd, var ref should not only signal the offside check completion but to make clear in no uncertain terms if the goal should stand or not to the ref. The he knows exactly what vars finding was
totally agree, the last thing the VAR should say is to sum up that the check was complete and what exactly they checked, or what decision they came to, basic communication skills when you're concluding an interaction@@reggienaidoo6514
Their story doesn't add up. It clearly showed on the screen for a few seconds "Checking disallowed goal" and they said they thought the goal was given.
I realize this season mainly that I'm 100% certain that the referees seems to be purposely targeting liverpool because they have a problem with Jurgen Klopp because of things he's said & how he carries on the sidelines. So they are going at the team because jus look at all these red cards where every1 of them are questionable. It's sucks for the fans
Yap it"s true those ref have hatred with jurgan klop...if this kind of cases happened all the time, football fans look down on EPL, FA should look into this.
A missunderstanding? This does not explain the sequence of events because VAR knew that the on field decision was no goal. Which is why they said "Checking Disallowed goal" not "Checking possible offside". They're lying. At the moment of decision making, VAR knew quite well that the goal was disallowed.
I don't see how that really counts. The video operator is just gonna focus on his job. It's really only the Var and Var assistants to interact with on field ref. Just 2, not 4.
@@happytrailsgaming There was definitely communication, but they had no other way to disallow a perfectly good goal than to come up with a poor excuse of human error. That result should not stand, and a rematch organize!
Just as equally as bad is the sending off of Jones, his touch the ball first but slipped over it , no way he should be sent off. The standard of the Ref and the VAR people is very poor
A "human error" one time is one thing, but in that game alone, there were various other incidents. VAR showing contact with Jones on bissouma instead of both touching the ball, jotas first yellow card, joe gomez not getting a penalty, salah getting yellow for God knows what, and pulling the ball back for a foul on endo when liverpool were on the counter
its a complete lie by darren england to say that he thought that the on-field officials were giving a goal. On the stadium screen, it clearly stated VAR check for a disallowed goal for offside. He knows all day that he is checking whether there is a mistake in disallowing the goal.
@@jefflanghornephoto Agreed. So the man in the booth gets confused for a key moment. Okay. He can open his mouth and tell the official on the pitch to stop the game, so he can get it right. Compounding a big error with an even bigger error is not a mitigating argument. It means the official in question is not trustworthy and lacks the necessary courage to do his job.
As big a mistake as this was, there is a simple fix...communication. The VAR officials should be talking to the referee throughout the process. They should be communicating what they are looking at and then clearly communicate what they have determined. If they are truly only saying "check complete" to the referee then that is a huge problem. While American football replay has its own issues, that is one thing that is very well done...communication between the replay and on-field officials. I used to officiate college football and have first-hand experience with the communication aspect of replay. VAR needs to talk to the onfield officials in detailed language so this does not impact other games.
Exactly, they so desperately want to make the world believe there is a “big six” when there’s only a “big two”. Arsenal, Tottenham, Chelsea and Manchester United are a joke. That’s why they are trying to put muzzles on Pep, Klopp and players complaining. They are terrible, or corrupt, and they know it.
I'm not even a Liverpool fan but I'm still mad!!!!I believe many of these var officials possibly could be associated with fixing matches, that is the only obvious reason they operate the way they do.sports betting is huge in England.
This is clear corruption. Because if you where bad it would affect both teams. But this was the most affected 1 team ever. It's disgracefull . It's corruption
This makes even less sense than if they said they just did not want Liverpool to win so we cancelled that goal, how do you think it was a goal if the players were not celebrating, other team got happy and the refs showed offside with a flag 😂 If you can't tell the difference between those two completely different things happenning on the field, this is not a job you should be doing.
Complete shambles of refereeing.. VAR must have communicated it was a goal. And even they had not.. Why didn't the big screen show it was a goal, only VAR can submit that. How can so many mandatory checks go unchecked? It is not possible.
@@jonmath4182 Yes, and for the people who are saying "we need to listen to onfield audio"- I can assure you that Webb and his corrupt team are fabricating this right now and will be played at the end of the month.
Exactly and you can't even state that being a possibility without getting fined or banned. The whole thing is designed for corruption to go by cleanly.
It could also be unprofessionalism. This isn't an isolated incident, the PGMOL have been getting away with it for a number of years now without any accountability. Heads should roll at the very top of VAR and PGMOL.
Simon Hooper, the referee of the match between Tottenham and Liverpool, is the same referee who officiated the match that Liverpool lost to Manchester City, and Liverpool had not lost before that in a number of matches. It seems that he just wants to appear in the media against Liverpool. He issued six yellow cards to Liverpool players, in addition to two red cards to Curtis Jones and Diego Jota. He also canceled A goal for Liverpool, and we all remember his attack on Robson at Anfield. Such a referee will ruin the greatest and strongest league that can be watched in the world.م
That's interesting. I was looking at Simon Hooper's stats and generally he is well below the average for giving out yellow and red cards. Until yesterday. Maybe he felt his stats were a bit low.
@@lynnewolstenhome4624within a month you won’t have anyone to referee the games. What then? Fewer and fewer people are becoming referees at the bottom of the pyramid because of the hounding and abuse they’re receiving.
We need more than a point. We scored 2 legit goals in the first half (and do bare in mind we are always better in the 2nd half by miles), played 48 minutes with 10, then 28 minutes with 9 men and still were the better team until the last 5 mins or so of a suspiciously long injury time added on. If we had all 11 men, we'd have won, EASILY.
Human VAR errors like this should result to having another game. Dont count the game with the VAR error. Maybe have a double gameweek to make up for the human error game.
They need to be checked for corruption. You're telling me that the VAR official AND the assistant VAR official both thought they were awarding a goal? Ya right. Liverpool need to handle their own investigation then, with an eye on potentially suing the association.
This is a disgrace to the entire World community of Football,no lines were drawn for proof of the off side decision,so quickly the officials brushed it aside.Fuckin sad day for us Liverpool Fans.
Why do you reporters keep calling it a " ERROR" when it is a blatant conspiracy against Liverpool FC , that was the most corrupt refereeing ive ever seen , that whole department needs shutting down and Liverpool awarded that goal thats the only way this injustice would be put right 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
@@stavroskarageorgis4804 The UAE is a place where highly disreputable, immensely rich individuals with questionable morals and ethics can be found in abundance, so I would not say that this is necessarily a misdirection. The degree of bias against Liverpool shown by the on-field and VAR officials was blatant and invites allegations of corruption!
Like they said, the problem is not VAR. The same disastrous call would have been made if there was no VAR. They just didn't use it properly, and human error prevailed.
My goodness, the level of ignorance by the officials is mind boggling. I'm no Liverpool fan but I feel for the team. And it was an amazing goal by Luis D only to have it taken away.
They knew what they were doing. It was intentional. So many people had to get it wrong for it to be an unintentional mistake. There is more to the story
Obviously they can’t say it on air but it is clear corruption not incompetence. They had the time to look at Curtis Jone’s yellow card but can’t communicate a clear goal? Also, why has Liverpool seen four red cards in 7 games when they won the fair play awards in 5 of the last 7 seasons.
One possibility is they are seeing red cards because they are losing some discipline. Jota is a head case for his second yellow knowing he was already on a yellow.
So you're telling me that none of the three people inside the VAR room: Noticed the linesmans flag go up Noticed Diaz's facial expression to the linesmans flag going up Noticed the Liverpool players protesting to the referee rather than celebrating with Diaz Noticed the Liverpool fans stop celebrating Noticed the Spurs fans start jeering Noticed the Spurs players getting ready for a goal kick rather than a kick off As we seriously expected to believe that three people inside that VAR room failed to notice any of this? I'm sorry, no-one can believe that they were that incompetent. It's not humanly possible. They cheated.
It's not human error Fitz despite what the PL and PGMOL say. That handball was clear. The VAR official didn't want to award a pen and despite the evidence before his eyes chose not to award the pen
Well 2-1 if you assume that Dias scoring the goal wouldn’t have changed anything afterwards - actions, behaviors or outcomes. Big assumption. Joke of a call though. They need to have a big red button that turns on a siren to stop all play. Either manager should be allowed to press the button once during a game to appeal a decision.
The commenters failed to take one thing into account in criticizing VAR: it didn't change the on-field decision. In other words, if VAR didn't exist, the outcome would have been the same. If anything, it was a missed opportunity for VAR to do better, but it didn't have a negative effect.
Any team can accept a loss away against Spurs, the result is not the issue. But this was blatant match fixing by PGMOL, and it clearly was not the first time. The most important match of the weekend, and Webb assigns two tainted refs to officiate both on-field and VAR? Obviously every decision they made would be scrutinised, but they were too corrupt and too incompetent to care
PL is full of BS, it was so obvious they working so hard against Liverpool, disallow a clear legit goal, the red card 2 Liverpool players and was about to red card the third. all this talk don't mean sh*t, it doesn't reverse Liverpool's lose. UNFAIR
As a Liverpool fan, this lost is so painful that I put it as painful as when we lost the title two season ago in last 20 minutes of league by 1 point to City. It destroyed the fans
This will hurt for too long. I hope lads and Klopp find a way to go on another unbeaten run and hopefully win the title. In a matter of 3 second the ref not only messed up the table, Liverpool unbeaten record, also Salah goal involvement record. Diaz goal was a Salah assists. Ref broke so much in so little time
The ref and the VAR can communicate when it comes to a potential red card but when it comes to a potential offside on a goal they both have no idea what is going on.
van dijk hand ball in favor of liverpool , l diaz out side in favor of tottenham , 1-1 , in afootball match there are always mistakes@@vassabatielos4740
As a Liverpool fan the more i think about it this so called human error by VAR makes my blood boil. I am raging over this, like how?? Such incompetence is staggering for a multi-billion dollar sport.
When there are still such bad mistakes happen with VAR system on their disposal, you know that something is really not right. I'm start to think the game is rigged badly.
1. Annul the result and order a replay. 2. Suspend the refs involved indefinitely until a thorough investigation is completed. 3. Do a thorough investigation. 4. Improve the quality of refs through training programs and better compensation. It has to be a full-time job, NOT a part time job. The clubs can share the burden for the compensation. 5. Going forward, make the communication between the on field refs and the VAR refs public. Those are reasonable and I hope most EPL clubs are pushing in that direction.
The VAR decision is inexcusable, but so is the ONFIELD decision! Why did the linesman flag for offside in the first place. The WHOLE referring crew was blatantly against Liverpool.
I have no doubt whatsoever the officials in that game had made a concious & clear decision of making sure LP did not win that game. It's nothing to do with "incompetent refs" or "human error". That's just a get out clause used by PGMOL & pundits. Arab oil money can buy anything!
Why are we blaming VAR?? This is an “on-field” error by the AR1. That assistant got the call wrong full-stop! VAR should not travel overseas before a major match such as this.
Exactly. They’re trying to cover their own asses. They’re not idiots who can’t do their job especially when there are multiple people there. It was done deliberately.
“You can’t take the match back when it happens?” Hmm I seem to remember Manchester United replaying a penalty AFTER THE FULL TIME WHISTLE against Brighton. The premier league is the worst officiated league in the world; it’s like a pub league
It's hard to fully blame VAR when this doesn't happen in the other leagues... the problem is not the technology or methodology. The problem is the same referees that have made errors and been protected for decades
Going to be even more embarrassing if the audio is released. They've complicated something simple. Imagine just saying "That is a goal, he's not offside". Wouldn't matter if they missed the linesman with his flag up or anything else on their multiple screens.
Absolutely right it's simple. The way they are using VAR is either individual incompetence, mismanagement or both to the detriment of all football fans.
The British Navy figured this out hundreds of years ago. If the captain says, "Set the mainsail", the reply is not "Aye, sir." The reply is, "Aye, sir. Setting the mainsail". That way there is no confusion. And the referee, Simon Hooper, is equally to blame for not clarifying what was meant by "Check complete".
@@jperala658 check complete no goal or goal. Isn't that standard? There was just a feeling not just on this game that they were not going to give Liverpool an inch
Maybe the verbal protocol needs to be changed. Instead of saying "check complete", they need to say "offside" or "onside". Saying "check complete" is a complete waste of time. Every VAR decision should be clarified verbally.
I'm not buying this. If a player takes a free-kick too early the referee recalls it. If the opposing team claims a wrong call in their favour the referee recalls and corrects it. Why can't you recall a wrong offside call? If this is the case, teams should look to exploit this with quick free kicks even if they go against the referee's call because he can't correct it. It is seeming more and more likely that this was foul play the more they explain.
How is it possible they were not under pressure, took their time to review the Curtis Red Card; but did not have the time to review the goal decision. These decision are deliberate.
It was not only the offside. The two red cards where both dubious as well. The first silent image the referee sees on the screen of jones was terrible. So they tell everyone 3 VAR people didn’t see the flag up and didn’t notice that the score didn’t changed!? They can easily intervene 5 min later and overturn that decision… This was pure match fixing. The hole referee team that night should be sacked!
Certainly they should be sacked for incompetence, however their finances should be forensically audited and if corruption is found to have taken place they should be prosecuted and jailed!
@@BeobachterofTruth No, not at all. If it is genuine incompetence then, I would be satisfied with them at a minimum receiving a financial penalty or outright job loss. If however, it were shown to be corruption then prosecution to the full extent of the law would suffice. Most of us have to be accountable for the actions we take carrying out our jobs, why should they be any different?
They spent the next 60 mins trying to write a statement instead of fixing it 30 seconds after the free kick
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That’s what it was intended to look like. Someone pulled a couple strings and it paid off
Exactly. As soon as the VAR sees the Tottenham player lining up to take the free kick or even when he kicks it surely the VAR officials should shout stop play to the ref and say you’ve not awarded the goal. Or surely the VAR officials should have seen on their screens the 0-0 score line and intervened then as well!! Madness.
Robots don't have common sense ~ Scientist
@@warriormonk3062tin foil hattery 😂
What I find absolutely ridiculous is that players and managers get heavily fined, but the refs are completely unaccountable and can get off with a simple and meaningless "sorry"
louder for the people in the back
There isn't an apology, it is just an acknowledgement. They don't even say they are sorry.
its not a apology its a explanation.
There was no "Sorry". No apologies have been forthcoming, just an admission of a "factual error".
Disgusting. Reeks of match fixing. No official, or pair of officials, could possibly be that inept and incompetent. Brown bags galore at the PGMOL.
The head of the PGMOL was an 'ambassador' for football in the Middle East. It seems like he's picked up a few habits over there and schooled his minions on dishonesty and corruption.
They’re all corrupt and the evidence is there , same ref who cheated wolves for United where they apologized to Wolves is reffing Liverpool Biggest match in the month where we could’ve been top of the league
Don’t forget Liverpool was only one point behind Man City which won the title last season. So yesterday’s three points or one point could potentially make the title race very significant for Liverpool this season!
There was a foul play in that match. All parties need to be investigated
@@jeffag agree.
Don't forget that Liverpool were gifted the Carabou Cup in 2002 by VAR corruption. They lost the game on the pitch and won it via the biased subjectivity in back room office on an industrial estate in Uxbridge
That's so true these ref made a bad cal he's decisions on the day was wrong at all cost onfield ref should be dismissed
@@dillcarver7731 rubbish
What people seem to miss here is too many crucial mistakes in one match against one team only! Can anyone not see MATCH-FIXING here?!
Never mind the people who bet the draw or Liverpool over goals what happens to use we just get robbed of our money? That can’t happen this is a disgrace
chexk their account 100% or money beg under the bed
How does the VAR not just say: "Check complete - the goal stands" or "Check complete - no offside". Surely that eliminates every possible miscommunication. Incredible!
Thank you!
Exactly
“Check complete, it’s a goal”, is it really hard to say?
In the first place, when consulting the var officials, shouldn't the field referee say something like liverpool player number x has just scored a goal but my linesman called him offside therefore I have to disallow the goal, please advise...???🤔
They got a TV feed that they were to confirm a goal.
You know it’s bad when even rival fans are saying Liverpool were robbed.
I'm a Spurs fan and I think it was a disgrace. If that happened to us I'd be furious, well i remember the Pedro Mendes goal against Man Utd that was over the line but disallowed, this one is as bad!!
Seeing United fans up in arms about it is telling. This was another failure by PGMOL, another failure by Darren England & Simon Hooper.. Howard Webb & those other two should be fired immediately.
Seriously. All football fans are in agreement over this. The refs need to be better
lies and excuses
Terminate the officials involved. No excuses
It was a heart breaking match for us Liverpool fans
Our 9 players were better than their 11
Good
As a Liverpool supporter I wasn't upset I was angry
They didn't want us to win simply put.
It wasn't. Its heart-breaking to see sub-standard refereeing at a Premiere League match.
The big question is what impact will this robbery against Liverpool have come the end of the season. We have seen City win the league by a point . An apology for things like these just isn’t enough given the impact it can have on the final table.
Liverpool were all cheering when corrupt VAR disallowed an onside goal to gift them the Carabou Cup in 2002 and that cheat changed history... so Kharma !!
This was a table-defining moment, and VAR and PGMOL blew it.
Lucky for Liverpool they have 31 games left in the season
@@michaelcollins5819Still ain’t gonna get the 3 points back for this game though are they Knobbbhead..
Shut it
@@jordwright507knobhead with 3 b’s
@@jordwright507 lol crazy how everybody just assumes Liverpool would have won had the goal stood. A R R O G A N T
This 'robbery' of Diaz's goal also means that Salah was robbed of his goal/assist record in consecutive games.
So many things were ruined by this game. Our unbeaten streak, our winning streak, being able to go top of the premier league, and Salah’s goal contribution record.
The arab's mobs right behind this, they didn't want city slipped away let alone the gambling.
Liverpool deserved a match reply
dont forget about the injury to Gakpo's knee :( @@Mustafaahmed91
Liverpool scored 2 goals with 10 men against another title contending opponent. This Liverpool team is ominous.
Even if they can’t change the score, they should still legally count Salah’s assist and Diaz’s goal as part of the statistics for the premier league. That is the LEAST they can do and I don’t see why not. Give the man his assist and Diaz his goal and let them count in the stats
No human error, it was done intentionally along with the red card and the 2 yellows for jota. It was deemed that Liverpool were not to win that game, so the match SHOULD BE REPLAYED
You are right. the only justice for that match is to have a replay. This is injustice to Liverpool FC 😭😭😭
Seriously
As a liverpool fan,i am so happy that the club is exploring options to make the officials accoutable!!!
You are right. But I think the only justice for that match is to have a replay. This is injustice to Liverpool FC 😭😭😭
Players got injured and unavailable. No point. I want them all to get hefty fine and fired! 😂
As football fans, we are absolutely disgusted with these stupid officials 😐
Not stupid, very clever match fixing tatic.
They're being paid to cheat. If you don't think billionaires bet on these games you're naive
100000000%%% MATCH FIXING
@@chuak.c7349 Well, you've inadvertently hit the nail on the head. Many feel that VAR is biased & fixing games, etc. That's the problem: no confidence leads to doubt & suspicion. That's become an overall theme now. This technology should simply be objective. The World Cup semi automated technology will have to be introduced asap. The very fact that an awful lot of fans are feeling the system is rigged against their teams, etc., is proof that VAR is failing as it stands right now. After this incident, the conspiracy theories will go through the roof. Everyone is impacted by this. This may be the best thing that's happened in the 5 years since VAR has been in use because it will force necessary changes to be made. They can't just send out an apology and have things continue on as before. I don't think this was an attempt at fixing a match at all. I think it was a complete breakdown of the system caused by people simply not focused on doing their professional duty. That's why this is so huge ~ too big to be a match fixing incident, etc. They've even had to release a major apology due to the complete failure of their system. Now things will have to change for the better.
As a AC milan I can only only apologise to Liverpool and there wonderful fans.
Both Red Cards where incorrect Jones foot rolled of the top of the ball and momentum took Jones into the player. Jota, was given a yellow for the spurs player tripping himself up.
Corruption at the highest level
Understand that as an Italian you know all about corruption. But the fact that you misjudged the red cards is proof of something else.
Really he imay be right, the first yellow card for Jota was not meant to be if the ref looked closely. The guy hit Jota’s knee and tripped but it appears as though Jota did it. Anyways, Jota should have known that he was on a yellow and he should have a voided the 2nd.
@@BeobachterofTruth I presume you are implying both red cards were correct despite most if not all footballers/pundits saying otherwise? You should stop watching football, perhaps watch frisbee, a little more to your liking.
@@Ezzzzaf "Most if not all" Always great to see an accurate comment. Thank you!
The 1st yellow on Jota was honestly a joke. Millions of people watching it as well. He didn’t even touch the player 😂
Even after VAR review, coaches ought to have two opportunities per game to challenge these decisions and have them further reviewed (similar to American football challenge flags). Just a thought to correct these massive VAR errors that can unfairly alter PL standings.
If they can be retroactive in the awarding of a red card why cant they retroactively award the goal once they acknowledge "an error has been made"
Corrupt VAR and referees end of! Feel sorry for Liverpool and I’m a Man Utd fan, I feel your pain.
Thanks man. Means a lot.
I bet you still like the referee as he gifted you guys 2 points against wolves lol. That was the same referee
Bad officials,are bad for the game best league in the world worst officials totally unacceptable.
@@smey02 No, not at all, should have been a draw if they had scored the penalty, we will get no more decisions for the rest of the season because of it, if we get relegated the overpaid frauds who play for us get a huge pay cut, that would serves them right for being overpaid mercenaries.
@@StormmyStormmy fair 😅
They are skating over that fact the VAR officials for this game were in UAE, the country of the Man City owners less than 48 hours before the game and suddenly make the worst decisions ever seen on VAR on a weekend Man City lose that hurts Man City’s biggest rival. This pure corrupt and the media are trying to cover this up.
How many years will we have to waot for all the dirt to come out?
@@kangamangus95in the 1970s there was champions league/ European Cup semifinal between Bayern and Leeds United and the referee was constantly giving bad calls against Leeds. On his deathbed in 2010 the ref confessed to taking money to fix the match for Bayern to win. Who knows how long it will take for Darren England confess?
Thanks for that comment. Delboy sounds like the right name.
If that's true, shame on CITY. They don't have to be cheaters to win the league. Why are they scared of Liverpool ?
@@nissarpa1259Of course it's true, and Pep is balls deep YET AGAIN!😡
Am the only one who saw the referee's happy smile each time a Liverpool player is sent off or carded 😂
This needs a rematch because of serious mistakes like this
Who says you can’t go back once spurs kick off. It’s another arbitrary rule that doesn’t mean anything. They should have called it back even 60 seconds later once they realised what had happened. We don’t want these silly rules, we want the CORRECT DECISIONS
On the nose. Compounding a big error with an even bigger error only erodes trust. It is not a mitigating argument at all.
Yeah what’s next call back the 2002 World Cup game Italy vs Korea. Once a decision is made it’s made if it’s wrong jobs should be on the line. But replying and calling it back that’s not football.
@@KalifFCyou win for most asinine and hyperbolic comment in this thread. Quite an achievement.
@@KalifFC There was no technology in that world cup. Completely irrelevant point.
They’ve had all night to spin up this ridiculous excuse 💩
Spend the whole night and still fail to make a good excuse. They just don't care.
Exactly! It's sooo frigging ridiculous! Only a total gullible naive would buy into this joke of a bs storyline!
I mean, their "excuse" / "explanation", whichever you want to call it, does make a lot of sense though. The VAR is there to intervene in case a bad decision is made. If for whatever reason they do not get a view of the linesman raising his flag or any other immediate indicator that the goal was flagged offside, then yeah.
This would be immediately remedied if the VAR is verbally made aware of a ref's or linesman's decision.
I just cannot figure out how these people in positions of authority over this VAR system cannot seem to get even the basics right.
They can't just chalk it up to an error n leave it at that, they need to rectify it by offering something to benefit Liverpool. It's too important. 💯
“We need VAR for VAR!” The on-field referees should also be under-fire, some of their decisions were appalling
He failed to see multiple things happening which would indicate it's been flagged for offside in a game he's paid to watch extremely closely and make decisive calls, I'm sorry that's simply unacceptable.
I'm surprised there's not any tech in the lineman's flag, cos it'd be so bloody easy to implement. Even cheap phones have gyroscopes, and know when they're pointing up or down or whatever, so surely you could put one into the flag, and have that software-linked to a giant light in the VAR room, so they know what they have to assess.
4 guys in the var booth. Not one person seeing the flag up and alerting the rest that the call was offside originally. Even if they are in doubt, should’ve checked with ref what the call was and they should’ve reversed it at that point. Going fwd, var ref should not only signal the offside check completion but to make clear in no uncertain terms if the goal should stand or not to the ref. The he knows exactly what vars finding was
In Rugby ,they say check completed, award the try,we all hear it.The VAR ref should have said check completed ,award the goal.
totally agree, the last thing the VAR should say is to sum up that the check was complete and what exactly they checked, or what decision they came to, basic communication skills when you're concluding an interaction@@reggienaidoo6514
@@reggienaidoo6514Absolutely correct sir. It's just a simple instruction like that. That's all we need, it's not rocket science.
Their story doesn't add up. It clearly showed on the screen for a few seconds "Checking disallowed goal" and they said they thought the goal was given.
Apparently, the VAR team do not see that feed.
Such a good point..they didn't want liverpool to go top of the league,was blatant cheating
@@stavroskarageorgis4804 They were the ones checking for the disallowed goal.
I realize this season mainly that I'm 100% certain that the referees seems to be purposely targeting liverpool because they have a problem with Jurgen Klopp because of things he's said & how he carries on the sidelines. So they are going at the team because jus look at all these red cards where every1 of them are questionable. It's sucks for the fans
Yap it"s true those ref have hatred with jurgan klop...if this kind of cases happened all the time, football fans look down on EPL, FA should look into this.
A missunderstanding? This does not explain the sequence of events because VAR knew that the on field decision was no goal. Which is why they said "Checking Disallowed goal" not "Checking possible offside". They're lying. At the moment of decision making, VAR knew quite well that the goal was disallowed.
What’s amazing is that there’s about 4 people in that room, so non of them saw it 😂😂😂
I don't see how that really counts. The video operator is just gonna focus on his job. It's really only the Var and Var assistants to interact with on field ref. Just 2, not 4.
As I've said, nothing they have said adds up, it's a really lame attempt to lie!
This was not a mistake . Stop making excuses for them , this was BLATANT CHEATING AT ITS FINEST
We don't need excuses we need RESOLUTIONS!!! Once there's a goal var has to intervene.
Well it’s useless to intervene when the refs and var can’t properly communicate the decision 😂 it’s fking laughable tbh
@@happytrailsgaming There was definitely communication, but they had no other way to disallow a perfectly good goal than to come up with a poor excuse of human error. That result should not stand, and a rematch organize!
The fact is the officials at VAR were not watching the game to make any call they went with the decision of referee and is line man is a joke
THERE IS NO REASON OTHER THAN CORRUPTION. IT IS THAT BAD.
Just as equally as bad is the sending off of Jones, his touch the ball first but slipped over it , no way he should be sent off. The standard of the Ref and the VAR people is very poor
A "human error" one time is one thing, but in that game alone, there were various other incidents. VAR showing contact with Jones on bissouma instead of both touching the ball, jotas first yellow card, joe gomez not getting a penalty, salah getting yellow for God knows what, and pulling the ball back for a foul on endo when liverpool were on the counter
its a complete lie by darren england to say that he thought that the on-field officials were giving a goal. On the stadium screen, it clearly stated VAR check for a disallowed goal for offside. He knows all day that he is checking whether there is a mistake in disallowing the goal.
Exactly.. and the tragic and comical in all of this is that those who can shed a light on the obvious don't have the backbone to do so.
and then he watched Spurs not go back to the centre circle and still didn't intervene. It's stinks.
He owes someone money... there's something much more nefarious going on. It's straight up tampering and corruption. Tim Donaghy anyone?
Darren england have just won lying award of year 2023
@@jefflanghornephoto Agreed. So the man in the booth gets confused for a key moment. Okay. He can open his mouth and tell the official on the pitch to stop the game, so he can get it right. Compounding a big error with an even bigger error is not a mitigating argument. It means the official in question is not trustworthy and lacks the necessary courage to do his job.
The referee, VAR and assistants were the only people on the planet that didn’t see the onside goal. Absolute disgrace!
They were in their bedroom sleeping, just a couple of cardboard cutouts in the room.😢
That's exactly why Liverpool is right to question the "human error" excuse. It is negligence and incompetence, not human error
they are on the take. Its 100% corruption
@@sherwood9917 the PGMOL is on the take
As big a mistake as this was, there is a simple fix...communication. The VAR officials should be talking to the referee throughout the process. They should be communicating what they are looking at and then clearly communicate what they have determined. If they are truly only saying "check complete" to the referee then that is a huge problem. While American football replay has its own issues, that is one thing that is very well done...communication between the replay and on-field officials. I used to officiate college football and have first-hand experience with the communication aspect of replay. VAR needs to talk to the onfield officials in detailed language so this does not impact other games.
They shouldn’t be saying “check complete,” they should have to state the call.
Its called matchfixing , watching that match everybody saw it , they did not want Liverpool to win
Exactly, they so desperately want to make the world believe there is a “big six” when there’s only a “big two”. Arsenal, Tottenham, Chelsea and Manchester United are a joke. That’s why they are trying to put muzzles on Pep, Klopp and players complaining. They are terrible, or corrupt, and they know it.
just like the cl final aye?
I concur fully
I'm not even a Liverpool fan but I'm still mad!!!!I believe many of these var officials possibly could be associated with fixing matches, that is the only obvious reason they operate the way they do.sports betting is huge in England.
This is clear corruption. Because if you where bad it would affect both teams. But this was the most affected 1 team ever. It's disgracefull . It's corruption
This makes even less sense than if they said they just did not want Liverpool to win so we cancelled that goal, how do you think it was a goal if the players were not celebrating, other team got happy and the refs showed offside with a flag 😂 If you can't tell the difference between those two completely different things happenning on the field, this is not a job you should be doing.
What they're saying simply doesn't add up. It's total bs
Well said! It would almost make more sense if they said they were trying to help Tottenham than fabricating this tripe.
Complete shambles of refereeing..
VAR must have communicated it was a goal.
And even they had not..
Why didn't the big screen show it was a goal, only VAR can submit that.
How can so many mandatory checks go unchecked?
It is not possible.
@@jonmath4182 Yes, and for the people who are saying "we need to listen to onfield audio"- I can assure you that Webb and his corrupt team are fabricating this right now and will be played at the end of the month.
spot on
Same thing happened last season in the Arsenal v Brentford match. A catalogue of errors and it'll happen time and time again!
Review VAR
So the ref can bring it back if the ball is rolling, but he can’t bring it back if a legitimate goal has been wrongly disallowed…
Its not incompetence, it's corruption!
Exactly and you can't even state that being a possibility without getting fined or banned. The whole thing is designed for corruption to go by cleanly.
Only the sky and bbc media think it's an honest mistake
I have no doubt whatsoever the officials in that game had made a concious & clear decision of making sure LP did not win that game.
It could also be unprofessionalism. This isn't an isolated incident, the PGMOL have been getting away with it for a number of years now without any accountability. Heads should roll at the very top of VAR and PGMOL.
You're right my friend. Well said.
Simon Hooper, the referee of the match between Tottenham and Liverpool, is the same referee who officiated the match that Liverpool lost to Manchester City, and Liverpool had not lost before that in a number of matches. It seems that he just wants to appear in the media against Liverpool. He issued six yellow cards to Liverpool players, in addition to two red cards to Curtis Jones and Diego Jota. He also canceled A goal for Liverpool, and we all remember his attack on Robson at Anfield. Such a referee will ruin the greatest and strongest league that can be watched in the world.م
That's interesting. I was looking at Simon Hooper's stats and generally he is well below the average for giving out yellow and red cards. Until yesterday. Maybe he felt his stats were a bit low.
So funny how one man will ruin the “most powerful football league” in the world. So is he now more powerful than the league???????
Fed up with new rules every season, why don't they put their energy into making new rules and punishment for these inept and corruption referees.
Thanks for your comment. After the excuses the result was still 2-1.
Simon hooper is the biggest Man United fan and deserves to be fired and fined
brooo the var for var idea is lowkey the greatest idea hahahaha
The refs also forgot to give Allison a card for heaving the ball into the stands after the own goal.
If the officials are getting fined for their obvious errors these mistakes would stop.
Shouldn't be fined should be sacked. They don't just make mistakes, they are biased against some clubs and that's what stinks.
Match fixing most likely.
@@lynnewolstenhome4624within a month you won’t have anyone to referee the games. What then? Fewer and fewer people are becoming referees at the bottom of the pyramid because of the hounding and abuse they’re receiving.
First Mcalister now Diaz this stinks 😮
@@soyale360 the wouldn't get abuse or hounding if the did their job properly.
Was the match fixed?! It sure looks like it. Accountability please. And give that point to Liverpool.
We need more than a point. We scored 2 legit goals in the first half (and do bare in mind we are always better in the 2nd half by miles), played 48 minutes with 10, then 28 minutes with 9 men and still were the better team until the last 5 mins or so of a suspiciously long injury time added on. If we had all 11 men, we'd have won, EASILY.
Human VAR errors like this should result to having another game. Dont count the game with the VAR error. Maybe have a double gameweek to make up for the human error game.
They need to be checked for corruption. You're telling me that the VAR official AND the assistant VAR official both thought they were awarding a goal? Ya right. Liverpool need to handle their own investigation then, with an eye on potentially suing the association.
Liverpool played well against Spurs and the referees. Almost got something out of this game.
This is a disgrace to the entire World community of Football,no lines were drawn for proof of the off side decision,so quickly the officials brushed it aside.Fuckin sad day for us Liverpool Fans.
actually not that sad day. the team was good, resilient. Also we can blame VAR to finally lose this match.
Why do you reporters keep calling it a " ERROR" when it is a blatant conspiracy against Liverpool FC , that was the most corrupt refereeing ive ever seen , that whole department needs shutting down and Liverpool awarded that goal thats the only way this injustice would be put right 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
can't believe this is happening at the highest level of football in the best league
Are we gonna talk about the fact that two of the VAR staff were in the UAE 48 hours before that game? This makes this look even worse.
No. We most certainly should not be talking about *that*. It is substantively irrelevant misdirection of the highest order.
@@stavroskarageorgis4804 The UAE is a place where highly disreputable, immensely rich individuals with questionable morals and ethics can be found in abundance, so I would not say that this is necessarily a misdirection. The degree of bias against Liverpool shown by the on-field and VAR officials was blatant and invites allegations of corruption!
@@alanbarker2279 i think you mean UK instead of UAE
Well they do want salah as their poster boy in january aswel so...
@@stavroskarageorgis4804 Yes, yes we should.
The PL and the FA is just too afraid that Liverpool is going to win the league this season. So they trying to bring them down.
Man Utd had a game restarted after the final whistle due to a VAR decision. To say the game can not be rolled back is inaccurate.
Like they said, the problem is not VAR. The same disastrous call would have been made if there was no VAR. They just didn't use it properly, and human error prevailed.
March fixing out in open !!! These guys need to call out
Sad day for epl, nobody believes in epl referees anymore.
The question is how are they going to fix this.
A apology just isnt enough
100% They need to give that goal.
Liverpool must be awarded that goal if it is true that VAR meant to let the referee know that it was a correct goal.
Move on
@@lovetroublecat Jog on.
We were robbed of the match of the season to this point. Absolutely shocking display of officiating.
My goodness, the level of ignorance by the officials is mind boggling. I'm no Liverpool fan but I feel for the team. And it was an amazing goal by Luis D only to have it taken away.
They knew what they were doing. It was intentional. So many people had to get it wrong for it to be an unintentional mistake. There is more to the story
The UAE travel but certainly seems to have added a layer.
Match fixing.
North London club keeps getting all the 'error' in their favor.
EXACTLY!👍
It’s either they are completely amareur at this or they knew exactly what was happening.
Obviously they can’t say it on air but it is clear corruption not incompetence. They had the time to look at Curtis Jone’s yellow card but can’t communicate a clear goal?
Also, why has Liverpool seen four red cards in 7 games when they won the fair play awards in 5 of the last 7 seasons.
One possibility is they are seeing red cards because they are losing some discipline. Jota is a head case for his second yellow knowing he was already on a yellow.
@@BeobachterofTruthin fairness to Jota that first yellow is never a yellow
@@spsawyer22 Well, it was given as a yellow so Jota can hardly complain that he did not know!
@@BeobachterofTruth not wrong. His second yellow is the one thing I think the refs got 100% correct
the biggest game of the weekend turned into a talking point of mistakes rather then the game
They need to be fired ASAP. Where is the accountability?
We want the conversation audio between the refs and var!!!!!!!
Absolutely 💯💯💯💯💯
THIS‼️
Do you hear this, Mr. Webb???? 📢📢📢
deffo ,but you watch itll go missing unlike when van dyck got sent off ,mr Webb got his own little show for this entire reason!! ...watch this space
Why was is it dismissed so quickly when it was so "clear and obvious"? But they reviewed the red card on jones like it was a murder mystery...
If I could like this comment multiple times 😂.
This should the postal comment everywhere!
So you're telling me that none of the three people inside the VAR room:
Noticed the linesmans flag go up
Noticed Diaz's facial expression to the linesmans flag going up
Noticed the Liverpool players protesting to the referee rather than celebrating with Diaz
Noticed the Liverpool fans stop celebrating
Noticed the Spurs fans start jeering
Noticed the Spurs players getting ready for a goal kick rather than a kick off
As we seriously expected to believe that three people inside that VAR room failed to notice any of this?
I'm sorry, no-one can believe that they were that incompetent. It's not humanly possible. They cheated.
The Rhodri handball at Everton and refusal to give a pen to Everton was also one of the worst decisions by refs - cost Liverpool the League again.
And mane’s legitimate winner against Everton being ruled as offside due to his shirt sleeve!
I’m an Arsenal fan. I thought Rhodri’s handball was the worse non call ever! I couldn’t believe it would get worse. It did.
and the ball not fully over the line - 1.5inches short - margin of error?...another title there!
@@kylegill4932 absolutely!!
It's not human error Fitz despite what the PL and PGMOL say.
That handball was clear. The VAR official didn't want to award a pen and despite the evidence before his eyes chose not to award the pen
Just disgusting. Liverpool would be up 2-1 @ HT. This would have been massive. Ruined the game.
Get it Fixed! A disgrace.
It was fixed mate
No VAR next time. That's it. Don't cry
Well 2-1 if you assume that Dias scoring the goal wouldn’t have changed anything afterwards - actions, behaviors or outcomes. Big assumption. Joke of a call though. They need to have a big red button that turns on a siren to stop all play. Either manager should be allowed to press the button once during a game to appeal a decision.
@@mikeree8543the problem is NOT the technology it’s the HUMAN element. VAR is a tool, the wielder of the tool is the problem.
@@juantokyo_ Exactly
So the VAR wasn’t watching the game?!?! How is that even possible?! Maddening.
The commenters failed to take one thing into account in criticizing VAR: it didn't change the on-field decision. In other words, if VAR didn't exist, the outcome would have been the same. If anything, it was a missed opportunity for VAR to do better, but it didn't have a negative effect.
Wrong offside call, wrong red card for Jones, wrong yellow card for Jota... blatant corruption
Jones and Jota deserved to get sent off
@@eriklakeland3857 yeah right...
Any team can accept a loss away against Spurs, the result is not the issue. But this was blatant match fixing by PGMOL, and it clearly was not the first time. The most important match of the weekend, and Webb assigns two tainted refs to officiate both on-field and VAR? Obviously every decision they made would be scrutinised, but they were too corrupt and too incompetent to care
You are right. There was nothing Liverpool could have done to win that match.
@@welldoneboysgoodprocess Liverpool scored more goals and they still disallowed the goal
@@welldoneboysgoodprocess with 9 against 11? 😂
PL is full of BS, it was so obvious they working so hard against Liverpool, disallow a clear legit goal, the red card 2 Liverpool players and was about to red card the third. all this talk don't mean sh*t, it doesn't reverse Liverpool's lose. UNFAIR
Line seven of the statement said that VAR failed to intervene. It was the *neglect, not the tech.*
As a Liverpool fan, this lost is so painful that I put it as painful as when we lost the title two season ago in last 20 minutes of league by 1 point to City.
It destroyed the fans
I won't lie same boat... I still can't stomach this in.. Yerrrr
This will hurt for too long. I hope lads and Klopp find a way to go on another unbeaten run and hopefully win the title. In a matter of 3 second the ref not only messed up the table, Liverpool unbeaten record, also Salah goal involvement record. Diaz goal was a Salah assists.
Ref broke so much in so little time
lies and excuses
And the award for most dramatic comment goes to…
Need thicker skin then mate if this is the stuff that "destroys" you
The ref and the VAR can communicate when it comes to a potential red card but when it comes to a potential offside on a goal they both have no idea what is going on.
2 red cards are fair , hand ball of van dijk in favor of loverpool , l diaz out side in faver of tottenham 1-1 , game over , liverpool lose
@@terminator94-qm1dxneither red card was fair
And the ffside was onside by half a metre
Take your spuds goggles off and you’ll realise
van dijk hand ball in favor of liverpool , l diaz out side in favor of tottenham , 1-1 , in afootball match there are always mistakes@@vassabatielos4740
@@terminator94-qm1dxwhat is bro yapping about
@@terminator94-qm1dxgo to play psp dont coment here
As a Liverpool fan the more i think about it this so called human error by VAR makes my blood boil. I am raging over this, like how?? Such incompetence is staggering for a multi-billion dollar sport.
This is not enough we need a rematch
When there are still such bad mistakes happen with VAR system on their disposal, you know that something is really not right. I'm start to think the game is rigged badly.
It's 99% possible sir.
It's 99 %possible sir
Corruption so blatant and obvious and I know why nobody wants to admit it
Why bro?
Duh... why you think bro?@@djozzdraper
I'm not buying this whole VAR operator doesn't have enough time to change a decision, a pure cockup at the highest level
1. Annul the result and order a replay.
2. Suspend the refs involved indefinitely until a thorough investigation is completed.
3. Do a thorough investigation.
4. Improve the quality of refs through training programs and better compensation. It has to be a full-time job, NOT a part time job. The clubs can share the burden for the compensation.
5. Going forward, make the communication between the on field refs and the VAR refs public.
Those are reasonable and I hope most EPL clubs are pushing in that direction.
The VAR decision is inexcusable, but so is the ONFIELD decision! Why did the linesman flag for offside in the first place. The WHOLE referring crew was blatantly against Liverpool.
Var missing a mistake is 10 times worse then the onfield officials who are trying to do it in real time
@junioradult6219 oh, totally agreed. Just pointing out that at all levels the decision making was shocking.
I have no doubt whatsoever the officials in that game had made a concious & clear decision of making sure LP did not win that game. It's nothing to do with "incompetent refs" or "human error". That's just a get out clause used by PGMOL & pundits. Arab oil money can buy anything!
When will they discuss the elephant in the room and question whether it’s match fixing by Sky and VAR?
Why are we blaming VAR?? This is an “on-field” error by the AR1. That assistant got the call wrong full-stop! VAR should not travel overseas before a major match such as this.
If you believe that " Explanation" you believe in Santa Claus
Exactly. They’re trying to cover their own asses. They’re not idiots who can’t do their job especially when there are multiple people there. It was done deliberately.
“You can’t take the match back when it happens?”
Hmm I seem to remember Manchester United replaying a penalty AFTER THE FULL TIME WHISTLE against Brighton. The premier league is the worst officiated league in the world; it’s like a pub league
Sunday morning stuff
An apology has no points. People had one job and decided not to do it. It’s not an error it is being lazy . I’m so mad yet I’m not a Liverpool fan.
It's hard to fully blame VAR when this doesn't happen in the other leagues... the problem is not the technology or methodology. The problem is the same referees that have made errors and been protected for decades
This is such an enormous erro that it is necessary to play the game again.
No replay please. A replay only strains both teams more, especially if the teams are already in multiple championships, league, european, carabao...
Going to be even more embarrassing if the audio is released. They've complicated something simple. Imagine just saying "That is a goal, he's not offside". Wouldn't matter if they missed the linesman with his flag up or anything else on their multiple screens.
Absolutely right it's simple. The way they are using VAR is either individual incompetence, mismanagement or both to the detriment of all football fans.
the audio of the var guy is probably 'zzzzzzzzzzzzz'
There will be no audio
The British Navy figured this out hundreds of years ago. If the captain says, "Set the mainsail", the reply is not "Aye, sir." The reply is, "Aye, sir. Setting the mainsail". That way there is no confusion. And the referee, Simon Hooper, is equally to blame for not clarifying what was meant by "Check complete".
@@jperala658 check complete no goal or goal. Isn't that standard? There was just a feeling not just on this game that they were not going to give Liverpool an inch
The integrity of this season is ruined now because of this mistake
Maybe the verbal protocol needs to be changed. Instead of saying "check complete", they need to say "offside" or "onside". Saying "check complete" is a complete waste of time. Every VAR decision should be clarified verbally.
What kind of kindergarten excuse is that
But VAR is not the problem.. Is the people using it.. So change the people managing
I'm not buying this. If a player takes a free-kick too early the referee recalls it. If the opposing team claims a wrong call in their favour the referee recalls and corrects it. Why can't you recall a wrong offside call? If this is the case, teams should look to exploit this with quick free kicks even if they go against the referee's call because he can't correct it. It is seeming more and more likely that this was foul play the more they explain.
Exactly!
How is it possible they were not under pressure, took their time to review the Curtis Red Card; but did not have the time to review the goal decision. These decision are deliberate.
Why don’t they say whether it’s a good goal or not rather than checked?
It was not only the offside. The two red cards where both dubious as well. The first silent image the referee sees on the screen of jones was terrible.
So they tell everyone 3 VAR people didn’t see the flag up and didn’t notice that the score didn’t changed!? They can easily intervene 5 min later and overturn that decision… This was pure match fixing. The hole referee team that night should be sacked!
Certainly they should be sacked for incompetence, however their finances should be forensically audited and if corruption is found to have taken place they should be prosecuted and jailed!
@@alanbarker2279 Surely jail is too good. Don't you want them and their families put to the sword?
@@BeobachterofTruth No, not at all. If it is genuine incompetence then, I would be satisfied with them at a minimum receiving a financial penalty or outright job loss. If however, it were shown to be corruption then prosecution to the full extent of the law would suffice. Most of us have to be accountable for the actions we take carrying out our jobs, why should they be any different?