After the Fact: Studying Starlight
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- She's been a part of the show for little more than a season yet she's drawn some polar opinions. Let's talk about Starlight Glimmer!
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Starlight’s best moment so far?
School daze, episode 2.
“I’m not gonna cheer you up, im gonna tell you what you did wrong.
You gave up too quickly.
...you didn’t give up on me, so why not for this?”
This is by far, the best starlight moment IMO.
The student retaught the teacher what the teacher taught her. She was the highlight of the ep, hands down.
Her slapping the EEA book, cutting twilight off actually shook me.
When I saw "The Crystaling" episode, I noticed a connection between Fluttershy and Starlight: the two of them exchanged a look during Shining Armor's introduction, and later on when they all got back on the train, it was Fluttershy whom Starlight went to go sit by. Plus, there's also the fact that Fluttershy was the only one of the Mane 6 who was able to fool Starlight when she was still a villain.
So I'm the most anxious to see an episode with just those two going on a little adventure. :)
I'd like to see that to...=}
That would be great to be able to see Starlight and Fluttershy hang out more. XD.
yeah! Fluttershy is the most decieving but the kindest friend! :) #fluttershybestie
Oh, I didn't even see that! I'm going to have to look for that next time I watch it.
I'm considering that she seems to like helping villains; like Discord.
I'm so torn in my waifu decision.
heads: starlight glimmer
tails: sunset shimmer
Damnit, my coin fell down the storm drain.
which one do you prefer more? human or pony?
Umm, there was an Equestrian Girls movie where Starlight went through the portal, soooooooo, moot point there.
I personally prefer a certain Kirin
Well then, the storm drain has spoken, your waifu shall be tempest.
I'll go with both of those waifu ponies in my decision
Ha! You gotten everyone of the mane six and starlight to face palm. Now you only need the princesses including flurry heart, the villains if you haven't already, discord, cmc, the other world leaders, and the ultimate goal Larson and Faust!
Don't for get sunset!
Dude, that's a stretch.
Starlight's rapid shift from terrifying villain to uncertain new friend confused me, but I've found a way to interpret her character that helps me understand her better.
In some way, she still believes in her old ethos, or at least doesn't/can't fully understand why it was wrong. Most ponies automatically think of others as 'fellows', sapient beings just like them who have the same right to free will as they do, but due to a combination of her childhood isolation and her naturally immense talent, Starlight doesn't have that. She's been above and isolated from others so long that she genuinely forgets that they are 'people' (I know they're ponies, but I needed the word), and to manipulate their minds or force them to conform is to violate them. She treats ponies like they are objects she can bend to her will with no consideration for their feelings, and it's no surprise that she has this state of mind: her cult members, lacking all the traits that made them unique and completely obedient to her, were the only ponies she had any contact with for who knows how long.
However, she knows now it's not right of her. She wants to have friends and be close with other ponies and have their trust, and she knows that the only way she can have that is if she learns to respect her fellow ponies as equals and respect the sanctity of their free will. So despite her entire understanding of the world up until now, she's trying very hard to learn from Twilight and internalize that idea. She continues to resort to magical manipulations because she still doesn't fully understand why it's wrong. All the while, she's aware of this problem she has, which is why she's so scared when the villagers ask her to help run things.
I think the speech she gave at the end to Chrysalis wasn't just parroting what Twilight told her, though; I think she actually made a significant step toward having respect for her fellow ponies through that ordeal in the hive. All her teammate's unique abilities and personalities were useful in getting them through their obstacles; more than that, the sight of the drones all forced to act the same despite their unique personalities and be blindly loyal to their selfish queen might've reminded her of her own village. Seeing the changeling hive helped clarify for her what was wrong about what she'd done; it takes more than the disapproval of others and the guilt they put on you to learn from your mistakes, you have to understand for yourself how your actions did harm. And she does understand now, or at least she understands more now than she did earlier in the season.
Oh, thank you!
MoonShadowWolfe good analysis
Starlight's outrage toward Discord/Accord's actions in issues 50 and 51 is also a testament to how much she's changed.
I still think Starlight would have been perfect as a reoccurring villain. She deeply opposes Twilight's mentality yet is not too powerful. Someone like Discord could never have been a reoccurring villain as him being free and evil is a catastrophe.
THIS SO MUCH
I am not sure if Silver Quill would approve of that, but I'm genuinely curious about what your viewers think about Starlight...
If you like her, please upvote this comment. Otherwise upvote the other.
Let's see which one gets more?
I love Starlight.
She has flaws but also virtues.
MegaNinten 007 Yea :D
@@meganinten0078did you saw season 5 of mlp?
Still waiting on that Cadence After the Fact. You seem to love to skip over her at every possible turn.
She's a rather difficult pony to talk about. She has an ability to be something more, but the writers haven't really given her an opportunity.
Given his views on her, likely due to him simply not liking her or having anything positive to say, and not wanting to make a video just bashing her, given he tries to make these celebrations of what makes a character great.
He's already done that; it's titled "After the Fact: Happily Ever After".
No, that was a look at a trope associated with them, using them as object lessons and examples, not a look at the character herself.
Well, that's probably as close as we'll get to it. It was her and Shining Armor's respective celebration day, and at least Silver found something they could represent together. I'm fine with that.
I think that the point of Starlight is to show that even though you have a lot of power, you might not be the perfect person personality and decision wise. She has control over her powers but still she sometimes doesn't know when and for what to use them.
Did you saw season 5 of mlp?
I feel the biggest problem with Starlight at the moment is that the show has simultaneously Ignored AND focused too much on her mistakes. They talk about how she's done wrong in the past and in episodes like "Every Little Thing She Does" they acknowledge she still has a lot to learn, but they don't actually address the mistakes themselves. All we got in terms of retribution for her actions in season 5 was immediate forgiveness from both the towns ponies and the mane 6. As a result, Starlight is repeatedly and annoyingly feeling the need to redeem herself, while everyone is telling her they forgive her. This isn't helping her, Starlight needs to feel like her actions have been adequately punished before she can let go of the guilt and actually begin to heal.
^ This guy gets it!
But how do you do that since A It's a show aimed at younger kids B. The staff have moved far past that. I think what would've helped is if Cutie Remark picked one future stuck with it, and had Starlight be sucked in with Twilight. She'd probably be caught into the same trouble as Spike and Twilight would be. But Ultimately she'd see the pain and suffering she caused and help to work to fix it. Sunset became a Pariah and had to earn everyone's trust and acceptance back. Starlight was so forgiven so quickly it was whiplash inducing. :/
Here's a rather easy way to do it.
Have Starlight have a nightmare about slipping back into her old habits and seeing her old self destroy everything she's grown to care about. Have Luna show up to help. Have Starlight explain that she fears she hasn't made up for her own mistakes despite being forgiven. Luna talks about how those self same feelings led to her creating the Tantabus.
Then Luna and Starlight figure out something they can do *together* that they feel will help assuage their feelings of guilt by giving back to the community more directly.
Could even start the episode with Starlight pushing herself too hard to prove herself, leading to Twilight telling her she doesn't have to keep making up for the past since everyone's already forgiven her-
Starlight: But I still haven't forgiven myself...
They already do a "kind of that"... Season 6 Finale.
yeah! Luna really helps, which she could help me though... #needhelpindreams
I wish I could hang out with silver, that would be so cool, sooooo cooooool
Versipellis the rogue Changeling same
Versipellis the rogue Changeling same
Ok 20$ per hour to hang out with silver,Dr.wolf,and fire brand
I hope you don't mean Silver the hedgehog, a proctologist named Wolf, and the DC superhero Firebrand.
Ikr
The rabid Starlight haters were the reason my hatred for the fandom reignited from Season 4. After the whole Equestria Games debacle passed and season 5 came along it died down, but then when Starlight started becoming a loveable character for some that's when it happened. I've been on the receiving end of harassment from those fans for some time now and with comments I saw from them regarding episodes such as Every Little Thing She Does, Hearth Warming Eve Tale, and To Back and Where Again, has almost made me consider leaving the fandom all entirely. But now I realize that it makes me love Starlight even more.
I'll admit she is not a perfect character and is flawed, but she made quite of a improvements in season 6 and with season 7 coming in less than a month I think she'll become an even better character as time goes on.
Did you saw season 5 of mlp?
I also don't like what they did with the changelings.
I absolutely adored the changelings because there was no easy solution. They challenged everypony's morals because they were completely sentient parasites. It's very understandable that ponies are repulsed by their appearance and find it creepy to have their love drained. However it's very heartless to say they deserve to starve to death just because they are unnerving. The blame wasn't with either of them. That's what gave people so much material to work with. Unlike the racism against Zebra's which just like human racism doesn't have much legs to stand on. Pony dislike of changelings is understandable yet understandable does not mean it's justified. At the same time the changelings are not completely in the right either as they kidnap ponies and impersonate them. Sometimes even openly attacking ponies.
@9752matt Not quite. After season 6, Starlight has more to learn about friendship. And about the changelings, who are perfect as they are. That would make sense if they weren't all the same. Black. When they get different designs, they start to learn about friendship with help because they are new to it. They understand that it is more pleasant to share love than to steal it.
You know I don't think chrayleid thought her plan through bescude now the town would be in panic
I actually really like Starlight because she feels more like an actual person than the other characters.
Yes
wtf
@@Nightharmony69 did you saw season 5 of mlp??
did you saw season 5??
On the one hand, this is a Sliver Quill video which always manage to be entertaining and thought provoking.
...on the other hand, it's a Starlight Glimmer video.
Hmm
What if u make a philosophy book on mlp?
Sell me a copy! Now!
I'd buy one.
Shut up and Take my Bits!
That would be great; someone should get on that.
shut up and take my money!!!!!
While Starlight's redemption was rushed I really like her character. I know some people see her as a bad copy of Sunset Shimmer, but they're two different characters, and I like what the writers have done with Starlight. (For the most part). She brings an interesting prospective into the show. I also really like the dynamics between Starlight and Spike, the two of them seem to have gotten close relatively soon and I like that Spike in particular is able to talk to someone who is not always Twilight. (Of course that's just my personal opinion).
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"Introducing a character with so much power can feel like a shortcut towards attention"
Then please tell me why everyone loves Discord and no one ever throws this criticism at him even though he's, like, THE most powerful character in the show AND his power had no explanation? Hypocrisy much? (I don't hate Discord btw)
I think it's because Discord started as an antagonist. A fun antagonist who enjoyed messing with the ponies.
We tend to be more forgiving of a villain's power levels because it's meant to challenge our leads. That's also why many protested Discord's reformation.
+MLP-Silver-Quill
What?! Hello! last time I checked, Starlight started as an antagonist, too :/ Plus, Discord did way worse things and for what? For FUN! Say what you want about Starlight's backstory, at least she had an actual motivation and wasn't a villain just for the heck of it.
Yes, and at that point we loved her. But when Discord was introduced as a reocurring character, the focus wasn't on how better he was than everybody. In fact, it showed a lot of his weaknesses. The focus was on him as a character. MLP's current state is constantly showing us Starlight's strengths and abilities. Yes we get a view of some of her weaknesses and Personality too, but her strengths showings vastly outweigh them.
And I agree with you on that, good sir.
It's just that to some people, they felt that the motivation wasn't, mature of her, forgetting that it was something that happened in her childhood and, to some people, losing a friend is not as easy as just moving on. Sometimes it ends up being stuck with you and it germinates and makes you do things you might never get to regret.
Sure, to outsiders, it makes her look like a brat, but then again, what did we really expected from a show about friendship worshipping candy colored mini-horses? Something out of final fantasy? Genine REALISUM in a children's cartoon? A mature tragity involving death? Like you said, Discord was forgiven for doing worse things, Luna was forgiven for worse things, and Tempest was basicly forgiven for being a race traitor.
The main overall problem is that the detracters to Starlight were expecting a realistic scenario of Starlight being treated like a Chrono-Terrorest and basicly getting a harsh sentence in a world that strifes in friendship and forgiveness. And that the show does albeitly have an earnestly shrinking villain roster.
Well, to that I say, hey, at least be glad she wasn't reformed Deu Ex Machina like with Luna and Sunset, cause sometimes, we forget that we're watching show tecnecally not meant to be viewed by us, I mean, alchourse someone who screwed up as epicly as Starlight did is gonna be treated with kid gloves in a show that encourages forgiveness and compassion and friendship, I mean, I wouldn't call that a show that okays the prospect of being like our crappy world.
Simple: He is not a pony and his loyalty to the mane 6 is much more in question. He is a chaotic neutral rather than a reliable ally which makes his powerlevel seem appealing because you are never sure if it's going to be used to help or hurt the mane 6.
Count me as one who thinks she was introduced at simply too powerful a level. What is the point of being an alicorn if a unicorn can so easily match you? I also wonder where she learned the magic, Twilight spent years in Canterlot studying, we have no idea where Starlight learned her magic and she's still Twilight's equal if not superior. Other than that I like her best when she's with Trixie.
But it sometimes seems as if being made an alicorn has actually reduced Twilight's powers, not heightened them. From the start Starlight looked like she could handle Celistia and Luna all by herself and Twlight would barely make her work up a sweat.
I would agrre if we hadn't seen another unicorn (King Sombra) able (sure thx to dark magic) to force a far more superior alicorn (Celestia) as magical skill and knowledge than Twilight to a total attrition war in alternate timeline, able to slowly grinding Princess Alicorn Cadence 's barrier in Season 3 and beaten only by a McGuffin artefact and before by the two sisters (Celestia-Luna) along I Suppose the elements of Harmony, so the power level objection about Starlight Glimmer is void.
Starlight Glimmer ' responsibilities were about her village (a remote location, not a partcular threat to Equestria, only awakened because the Mane 6 went to disturb it by Tree of Harmony), the time travel devastation were known only to Twilight and Spike
I admit that I have seen only bits of Equestria on internet, but I haven't felt the opera so interesting (perhaps because I felt not so interesting the human counterpart of secondary characters as Luna and Celestia) and even if Sunset Shimmer is an interesting character, it lacks the ruthleness and scary real life references of Starlight Glimmer as villain, plus Starlight has improved as pony, but kept part of her moral gray behaviour..she is a Chaotic Good character (work for the good but screw the rules if they stop my personal idea of greater good) where Twilight and sunset are more lawful good (they obey and venerate Celestia as figure of authority and law) when is on the side of good guys, she doesn't need to steal power to reach her objective, only use them as tools to discard when not necessary for the task (Starswirl spell for example)
did you saw season 5??
@@samuelkriz2761 Not yet, I lost cable about that time.
Starlight stole season 6 away? I'm surprised that complaint exists since she wasn't really in it :/
Yeah seriously. I was fine with putting the focus on Starlight for the finale since it was finishing her charachter arc of forgiving herself. We still have our main heroes and they had plenty to do in the premire of season 6 so no I don't think she's overshadowing them.
Agreed
She's only been in 3 episodes (excluding the premire and finale)
This was definitely something I needed to see. I've been on the fence about how I feel for Starlight. She's not my favorite character, but I like how she's growing as one 😊
when watching this I realized something of great importance...
starlight has some big hair!
It also seems to have changed slightly again
Honestly I think most of her hate comes from people who don't understand her.
I heard her be called a Mary sue. But they throw the term around without knowing what it means.
Definition: "A Mary Sue is an idealized and seemingly perfect fictional character, a young or low-rank person who saves the day through unrealistic abilities. Often this character is recognized as an author insert or wish-fulfillment."
Starlight does not fit that definition. She is far from perfect.
she fits that description perfectly. maybe not in terms of character, but in terms of physical attributes and abilities, shes flawless. shes also made a hero for NO reason. i mean, the writers had to make 99.9% of the population of equestria get captured just so she can be the hero of the season 6 finale. shes a mary sue on steroids
William Duffy I guess you think Rainbow dash is a mary sue because of her speed, besides it was technically her and thorax that saved the day. Also she was getting smacked around by Chrysalis and remember she was a villian before, villians are ment to be all powerful. What do you want her to loose that magic after she turned good?
William Duffy Well, a character is much more than just their abilities. That's why they're called PERSONALITY flaws. She may be extremely powerful, but she's also impulsive with countless crippling insecurities and a poor understanding of empathy. And these character traits aren't just lip-service, they severely impact her decisions as well as the plot.
That overpowered nature really is a big no-no for many people. I think if they had powered Starlight down and made her magical power formidable but at the same level as unicorn Twilight people would have accepted it far easier.
marinus18 I personally call it the Superman syndrome. The most powerful character is seemingly the most hated. Only focusing on the abilities while ignoring the character
Ah, Starlight...Such a dangerous topic to talk about in this fandom.
Ikr but it's so fun reading the arguments
It's like talking to Star Wars fans about the Disney trilogy.
Starligt reminds me of Mabel from Gravity Falls. The fans are in denial. They discuss whether he ruined the series or not because they like the character or not.
When in reality, without it the series would not be as we know it.
@@thelionalex1 The only difference is that Mabel was a part of Gravity Falls from the first episode. Otherwise, that's an interesting perspective.
@@jakeandzack5763 Sometimes we fans don't accept changes.
Starlight’s crazy magical talent actually makes sense when you stop and think about it. Her motivation for starting the equality cult was jealousy over losing her friend because he got his cutie mark in magical talent. Naturally, Starlight would probably have spent years (if not decades depending on her age) studying and perfecting magic to overcome her jealousy of Sunburst and view herself as his equal. Maybe she hoped that she could prove herself worthy of magic school as well so she could be reunited with him. When that failed, she was left with a bunch of earned magical talent and a whole lot of resentment towards cutie marks.
@@samuelkriz2761 Of course! I’ve seen all 9 seasons of FIM, The Movie, Best Gift Ever, Rainbow Roadtrip, all of the Equestria Girls movies & specials, A New Generation, and all of Make Your Mark.
did you saw season 5??
At this point, Silver quill must be getting a zen-kai boost from his near death experiences, meaning he's almost indestructible by now.
The Blu Spy He's not already?
Carton logic means that he is indestructible...
... at least until the carton ends.
Cartoon logic means that he's indestructible when it's funny and not when it's even funnier.
Hippogriffs don't have Saiyan blood...at least...I don't think they do.
darkruler64 Lets be honest it wouldn't surprise any of us would it?
As an ex cult member starlight's journey to deprogramming after ending her cult made me draw closer to her.
did you saw season 5??
Love Starlight a lot! >< From the very first episode she was in. now i love her even more and can see myself in her! :D It's pretty encouraging seeing her success in her 'friendship lessons' even if she struggles at first
Nice job on the video on her. I hope to see her interact with the other main characters more often, too :3
Me too i love starlight too she is my favourite villain
did you saw season 5?? of mlp
I am not sure if Silver Quill would approve of that, but I'm genuinely curious about what your viewers think about Starlight...
If you don't like her, please upvote this comment. Otherwise upvote the other.
Let's see which one gets more?
I feel like she was a bit of a missfire but I'm seconding guessing that after seeing the video. I used to hate her but now after no second Prances despite me hating that episode since it made me decide to give her a second chance just to be fair. so I'm abvilalent to her but I want to see her succeed
My biggest issue with Starlight is how her reformation was done. IT WAS POORLY EXECUTED. The fact that her reasoning behind setting up a pseudo-Marxist cult was because her friend got her mark before her. Thats absolutely ridiculous! A point to note that her childhood is very similar to Apple Bloom, (I am referring to Call of the Cutie episode S1 E12). Apple Bloom was more open to making friends unlike Starlight who closed her self of immediately.
The fact she set up a no cutie mark society, meant she had ideology. The famous phrase *you cannot kill an ideology*. In Season 5 finale, in the future that looked like a wasteland, Starlight showed that she was not prepared to give up her own ways and ideals. Even when every bit of life is dead/not existence, Starlight would not change her motivations. Twilight was not going to convince her own mind on what she was doing was wrong. It wasn't until Twilight spoke so magical words and the running time of show was coming to an end that she was reformed. Just like that, in a matter of seconds, from villain to good. I apologise if this coming of as (an aggressive) rant, but these are my own thoughts. I did like the role she played in Season 6 finale, but previous episodes I have found it hard to like her.
Starlight Glimmer, the unicorn with Alicorn-level magic. To be honest, I liked her revenge-arc. It showed a lot of interesting possibilities for Equestrias and on top of that it showed just how powerful she really is. However, to counter this... it means she is also yet another character with a whole lot of potential that is just completely unexplored.
Sunset Shimmer, Celestia and Luna, Trixie, and now Starlight Glimmer all have unexplored story arcs that we haven't seen. Oh sure some things are simply assumed as to how they got to where they are. But for example: Sunset Shimmer was shown to be power hungry but we don't know how or why she got that personality quirk. We never saw Celestia going through one thousand years of solitude, we never saw Luna having her steady emotional breakdown until she rebelled against her sister. We never see why Trixie claims she is as good at magic as everypony else, nor why she got into stage-magic over other forms. Heck for that matter we never saw how Cadence became an Alicorn. Yes it's in a book but I wanna see it in an episode!
We also still haven't seen how or why Discord is. It's just accepted that he exists; but why? All of the main villains so far have had a reason for existing. Changelings, Tirek, Sombra and the Umbrum, Nightmare Moon, and so on... but Discord is an enigma. And even if he is pure chaos, he still has to have an origin point. Everything does.
And... and... I'm ranting. Sorry.
Yeah me too i liked her revenge arc too, i agree with you it exacly showed how powerful and skilled she is/was and that’s why she is my favourite villain
did you saw season 5??
I love Starlight
So do I!
I love her to
She is my favourite villain
Did you saw season 5 of mlp?
Starlight Glimmer is in the end like Grimlock from Transformer G1 , an uber powerful character (brawn for the T-rex autobots, magic for Glim Glam) able to go toe to toe with main characters and villains, used when sh*t hit the fan (like all autobots paralysed during episode Rise of Atlantis or the Season 6 finale for MLP or Royal Problem arises), but lacking some long term planning about their actions (like for Grimlock not considering that if Earth is destroyed, then he will too or for Starlight the butterfly effect from time travel or her mind control magic spell)
That's why writers use her when they want to surpass a 'Godzilla' 's treshold about magic disasters amd add more fun or epicness to the show (plus her latent wish to command by offering even as heroine character hint and tips about what her guts to other members of the cast using the sledgehammer approach, where as villain was more an emotion manipulative chessmaster like Cozy Glow today)
Her main sin for fandom is her too quick forgive from Mane 6 and her Town' fellows in Season 5 finale (and about keeping contacts with Sunburst we have deduced the acceptable explanation that he became a near shut in after being expelled from Magic gifter unicorn School for his lacking about 'operative' magic), but present days she is used also to interact with more secondary characters (buy our toys) and having a sarcastic dry benevolent humour about some clichè of the show like songs, Twiligh' speeches and moral lessons.
Silver knowing you, shouldn't you have been a red shirt and not a yellow shirt?
The ones from season 1 though, they suit you.
you are my favorite Hippogriff
mine too!
It's true ♥
I forever say Sunset will always be the 7th ranger
So basically you're comparing Starlight to Tommy (MMPR Green), Ryan (Lightspeed Titanium), Merrick/Zen-Aku (Wild Force Silver/Duke Org), Blake & Hunter (Thunder Rangers) or Trent (Dino Thunder White) with the whole "Evil a-hole who kicks the Heroes rear, then gets beaten and reformed, then has to work to become part of the team balance whilst overcoming their own fears and doubts, struggling here and there to atone for the past", eh?
Looking at her in the light might be what helps me power through S5 & S6 after the S5 premier left a really sour taste in my mouth at the time.
My big problem with Starlight is how much of the show's focus she has taken. The season 7 premiere will be the fifth consecutive season bookend focusing on her. We want to see the Mane Six battle a new villain; not watch the Starlight Glimmer show yet again. It reminds one of Scrappy Doo: a character introduced to boost ratings who then proceeds to dominate the show and steal focus from the beloved main characters.
Um the season 7 premire was more focused on Twilight then it was on Starlight.
In all honesty, if it helps, the premere was more of a aftermath of the previous finale then pretty much a repeat of what I assume the writers felt that the same trend seasons prior was starting to get old. But hey, they're more or less bring the trend back in Season 8 and ended 7 with a villain problem.
It focuses more on twi and Celestia's relationship more
Granted Starlight is not a fav character overall, but you pointed out a
aspect I love. An antagonist trying to be good while still dealing with
the antagonist impulses. And I dont mind that she sometimes had to
have her wrong held up to her face. Some folks are in their box so far
that they need to be called out on it.
Whenever I think of Starlight Glimmer, I always think of G.I. Joe's Storm Shadow. In several runs in the comics, and even the DIC cartoon, Storm shadow worked on the Joe's team and even put his vendetta aside to work with Snake Eyes and his students. All the while getting mentions of distrust from the other Joes. Whenever he had to reaffirm his walk away from Cobra, he made a loud announcement that struck me as odd as a kid. As an adult, I see it as a reaffirmation. Not just to whoever was nay-saying at the time, but to hear himself say it as a mantra. Sometimes you have to keep telling yourself you can do it .
Keep up the fun.
I agree with this.
Starlight's story would have been so much better and more believable if she had faced some sort of consequence for what she did. At least Sunset Shimmer had to literally rebuild the school she destroyed. All Starlight had to do was apologize and then frolick around with the mane 6.
Starlight basically had to do the equivalent of going to anger management after having dangerous outbursts. She definitely didn't sound enthusiastic about some of the friendship lessons she had to do, but she did them anyway leading to becoming a better "person." That sounds much more effective then a typical punishment.
Agreed, could be an area of contempt with the people that aren't a big Glimmy fan.
And yeah, RynKen, she basically had to go through anger management. If I had to use a Sunset comparison, Glimmy feels early mid to early end of Rainbow Rocks- has worked her way up "from the bottom" but hasn't really figured out who she is,
There was consequence, it just came in the form of a massive guilt complex for her actions, the mane six forgave her but she never forgave herself during season 6 until the end.
+RedfurredPikachu
But guilt complex isn't punishment because it is internal.
Yeah, having to deal with anxieties issues for months is a piece of cake!
“You’re using magic to accomplish something logical, while I operate on cartoon logic.”
So...
You’re Pinkie pie?
As much as I see the show trying to build her up and have her atone for her past sins, I just continually get a sour taste in my mouth every time I see her on screen. In the season five premieres, She coldy manipulates the emotions of others and forces them to give up what makes them unique. After doing the same to the mane six, she locks them in a room brainwashing them Orwellian style, and then in the season five finale, she tries to kill Twilight and Spike, and essentially commits temporal genocide to all life in Equestria by preventing the Mane Six from coming together again and again. ALL TO SATE HER OWN SELFISH HAPPINESS. And what does Twilight and her friends do after bringing her back to the present day? Give her a few seconds of glares and then a song to act like everything is okay and everything is forgiven...........SHE BELONGS IN EITHER AN F-ING DUNGEON OR AN F-ING ASYLUM!!
She never tried to kill them, just get them out of her way. She was using that beam that traps them into a crystal until Twilight fired back with her own that would have cut Starlight in half if she didn't dodge it. Also, Starlight didn't get to see the futures that Twilight went to, it's not like she was purposely trying to ruin the world, she just wanted to keep them from getting together to foil her plans. The only one she saw was at the very end which played a big part along with Twilight's speech in getting her to see how she was wrong.
I also don't think you know what genocide means.
NO she DOESN’T! your comment does though
@@RowdySantadid you saw season 5 of mlp?
Silver, when you mentioned 6th ranger syndrome; I kinda realized that the reason why I like Starlight and Luna so much. As a fellow Toku fan, I thank you for making this review that make me like both of them even more now. But Fluttershy is still my best pony.
She's my third favorite pony!! I love Starlight Glimmer
Yeah i agree she was amazing villain and is actually my favourite villain in mlp
did you saw season 5???
@@samuelkriz2761 yeah one of my fav seasons
@@meiketempel8430 well did you saw duel between starlight and twilight??XD
@@samuelkriz2761 if you mean the one in the season finale, i thought that was a pretty cool fight. really showed just how powerful Starlight is, even when shes just a unicorn and not an alicorn
I personally am so happy with how season 6 Starlight turned out! She didn't take over season 6 so much as SAVE it!
But I think you're right, now is the time to take a step back and integrate her into the core group a bit more. I wanna see how she can work of the characters I love as opposed to outshining them.
Also nice 6th ranger reference and Delta brony music!
Never stop making videos!
I love Starlight from Season 6 onwards.
Silver, find a college to teach a dang Literature course at! These analyses are in depth, on point, and engaging in the extreme!
Seriously, I'd go out of pocket for a semester of this Hypogriff's knowledge
Silver mentions something postive about Starlight.
Jerry Peet : TRIGGERED.
owencrean1 indeed
even I hate her
That's LILY Peet.
Awesomo who cares?
I loved the analysis he made
I have actually never viewed her as better than twilight, especially Alicorn twilight. She was able to match twilight but twilight was constantly expending much, much more energy than her, and still fought her on equal grounds.
Starlight's difference is that while her magic is comparable to twilight, Starlight is more mahgicaly INVENTIVE than twilight. Twilight is powerful but is too reliant on learning spells from others, which she excels at. We see this when she instantly learned STarlight's shield spell, something she herself pointed out.
But Starlight is much more capable of being actively creative. Combining spells, ivnenting her own, and so on.
And that might make her appear to be stronger than twilight. Reality is she is just very inventive and magically flexible, but has a veyr inflxible personality.
Albeit her flight is just her levitating herself. Not nearly as impressive nor practical and pegasus flight. PEgasus flight is taking command of the wind and sky. She is just making herself float.
Exactly and let's remember that the only reason starlight had the advantage at all was because of how she used the time travel spell, no matter how twilight attempted to stop her, it would still prevent the rainboom. In an even fight I think Twilight could've beaten her.
Sounds like Anakin and Obi-wan from Star Wars. Anakin, like Twilight, is more powerful. Obi-wan, like Starlight is more practiced, and, like you said, inventive.
Another thing people fail to consider is that these are ponies. Not humans. What happened with Starlight fits exactly with how ponies are. They are a species that need a connection with another being or they develop psychological problems and bad habits. They get anxious, flighty, and extremely nervous when subjected to lengthy isolation and no connections. Sound familiar? Obviously DHX and Hasbro did their homework.
Now apply these conditions to an extremely magicly gifted unicorn pony. If this was the real world, she wouldn't be held accountable for her actions, because she really wouldn't be in a healthy state of mind. What Twilight does fits with how you handle these cases. With Starlight's particular case, because magical world of magical ponues, it's by becoming her friend. A real friend.
When are you gonna do another review
Pop Lily yeah
Have to join this bandwagon. I like these side-bits, but a new review would be nice
Starlight's character is just too bland to expect her interact with re-mane 5 on the same level as they interact with each other. She has been around for two seasons already, but it's still impossible to answer a simple question about her: what does she like? By the way, the answer for every Mane pony was given in the first episode of the show.
Yeah, the problem with Starlight is that while she has a lot of individual character traits it's hard to pin down what the core of her character is. With RD it's to be the best, with Fluttershy it's to take care of others, for Pinkie it's to spread her happiness, with AJ it's to maintain her lifestyle and with Twilight it's the desire to succeed for the sake of it. They all had a core motivation and most of their character traits were derived from that.
The mane 6 all had cores to their character that made people fill in blanks that weren't shown and made them feel real. Starlight doesn't have that same core so people can't really speculate or have fun with her character.
I know I'm super late to this video, but I personally really like Starlight. She actually reminds me of my mom in the way that she has to be involved and in the way that she takes control. And kinda like me, she is scared of being rejected by others and struggles to read social situations. I have to say that I personally identify with Starlight more than anyone else in the main cast. Not that I've enslaved an entire town but you get the point.
Did your saw season 5 of mlp?
lol cartoon logic, silver you are funny.
I personally love Starlie ever since her first appearance. She interested me a lot and she has become my favorite pony. I love her so much (snuggles Starlie)
Yeah same here i love her too
She is my favourite villain and the best pony villain in the show and show in general
did you saw season 5??
I really, really, really, really, really, really, really like Luna's song in "A Hearth's Warming Tale." Like if you agree.
And yes, I did use correct spelling and punctuation.
Silver should be a college professor
I love Starlight so much she is an awesome character that has become a special pony in everyponys heart. Starlight keep it up we are all rooting for you!
Silver Quill keep up the awesome work your one of the best Pony tubers on youtube
Yeah me too i love her a lot too and i agree
She is my favourite villain in the show and the best one
did you saw season 5??
Sunset Shimmer is the green ranger of MLP, a new character who was a villain turns a good guy and becomes really popular in the fandom, Starlight Glimmer is the White ranger of MLP, the fandom reacts like a lamer and crappier vertion of the new character.
But the Green and White Ranger where literally the same guy.
Mane 6 pssshh the new mane 6 is : Starlight , Sunburst , Spike , Discord , Trixie , and Thorax
Good video SilverQuill.
I like Starlight
(She is my favorite MLP character)
She is like Twilight's sibling if you ask me.
Too bad she hasn't had any more important roles since season 8.
Me too i like her too
She is my favourite villain
did you saw season 5??
Awesome mentioning of the power ranger concept. never would I have thought that Starlight Glimmer would be consider 6th ranger theme. Just brilliant.
Thank you Silver you get Starlight so many just dismiss her say they hate her I hope this will give them something to think about.
i get her too, truelly
did you saw season 5?? of mlp
7:39 'Accidentally'? That was her intent! She did that to breeze through her friendship lessons! There was nothing accidental about what she did, there!
True. It was her intention, but all the events after that attempt were not what she wanted. They were accidents because I did not expect such serious results.
I'm largely indifferent to Starlight -- neither really pro or con. But I really, really like Starlight and Trixie's interaction.
What I find ironic about Starlight is that people complain about her having too much screen time. Yet, if they hadn't made episodes about her and had done somepony in the Mane 6 instead people would complaining she doesn't have any character development. Wow, DHX and Hasbro cannot win. ~ Mintstar
That's a good question. A reason I think they put her in the Luna and Celestia episode in Season 7. I saw a lot of character growth in that episode for Starlight (Luna and Celestia too) The writers also knew EVERYBODY would watch because it's the episode everyone's been wanting since season 1. ~ Mintstar
Rock Mint Swirl aka it was a cheap tactic to get us to watch the episode
jaqwon14 Yep, but it worked and it was actually a good episode. It helped Starlight to know that sometimes your first gut feeling is the best thing you shoud do no matter what peole think. Of course there was also more of a common sibling relationship between Luna and Celestia. ~Rockfeather
Rock Mint Swirl Still that was a fucking Risky move putting in a controversial character in a episode that the fandom has been wanting to see since DAY ONE
jaqwon14 I wasn't saying it wasn't risky, considering how many people do hate Starlight. But, I think it might have made some people hate her a little less or mabye some even started to like her. ~Rockfeather
I like Starlight well enough. I enjoy the way she tackles problems, even though they are not always morally correct.
I wish Sunset would pop back into Equestria and hang out with Starlight for an episode. The dynamic could be very interesting.
I would definitely want to see that potentially in the upcoming special (which could small theory explain the equestria girls look we got of her if she or her Canterlot High counterpart hasn't been slated for EQ 5 yet), but oh can I imagine the hate train steaming into the station with that.
Well she will be in a special coming up, and Starlight's going to be doing exactly that Indigo in that special from what I've seen from leaks- popping back into Equestria and hanging out but then heading back to the "human" world for a bit. So.....possible canon??
MLP will end this year.
What I most regret is that Starlight didn't have episodes where she spends time with the rest of the mane 5 (AJ, Rainbow, Rarity, Pinkie and Fluttetshy).
What a wasted opportunity :(
I have an unpopular opinion I dislike Sunset Shimmer and I love Starlight glimmer
Finally, someone who gets me
Cartoon logic. The most powerful nonsense logic there is.
I love Starlight and I hope she will continue grow as a character.
Me too i love her to
She is my favourite villain in the show and best one i think
Did you saw season 5 of mlp?
After this video I think that Winter Wrap Up would be a good setup for Starlight to learn a new lesson even more. Not only to place her this time in a situation where it's possible to use magic, but she shouldn't, but also in the situation where she must work with other in order to achieve the goal.
I LOVE Starlight!
I found that power rangers comparison very appropriate to get the point across. This was a great break down of where her character was, where she is now and where she could go in the future depending on if she's put into more normal circumstances with other characters to really expand on her personality more. Great video!
Hey silver quill would to a collab with eliyora for where the apples lies
I still didn't like Starlight after two seasons but you've convinced me to give her another chance. Stay awesome my friend.
I really like Starlight, I'm honestly hoping she'll be more involved this next upcoming season.
So far she has, she's interacted more with the other mane six fame and misfortune in particular really gave us a chance to see exactly how protective she is of them.
Did you saw season 5 of mlp?
@@samuelkriz2761 Yep, I saw everything. All the way from season 1 to season 9, as well as every movie and special.
@@sonicgen20 did you then saw duel between starlight and twilight?
@@samuelkriz2761 Yeah, When I say I saw everything, I mean I saw everything.
1:24. Okay now I'm scared. Silver you are channeling Pinkie waaay too much here.... (I had a TOS ep. Paused on the tv when I first watched this....) :D
Wha?! Using a Power Rangers/Super Sentai allegory to explain an MLP character?!
...I approve.
The cartoon logic at the beginning gave me a good giggle. It's something I could see happening in the show. You were like a cross between Pinkie Pie and Discord in hippogriff form. And thanks for sharing your thoughts with us! As someone who didn't grow up watching Power Rangers, it was interesting to hear your description of Starlight as a "sixth ranger". It certainly seems to suit her character. ^_^
I don't know what's funnier: Someone giving Silver Quill the job of being emotionally supportive, or the fact that he's really good at it.
The charator, not the actor.
Is this the first time Silver brought up MBTI types? What are the types for the mane6 then? I've seen Pinkie pie being commonly typed as enfp
I think starlight would be good with AJ in an episode. That seem like that could learn from each other, both being stubborn and all.
I was thinking the same thing!
Aj can pair up with anyone of the main characters and be a good fit.
Tbh i wanna see her interact with fluttershy
i really like Starlight, wish they used her more often, maybe next season.
i do agree i think it would be interesting to she her interact with the other mane five one by one, i think we could get some great character moments.
also love how you combaired her to the Green Ranger, she was an OP villain that turned good, truly awesome.
this was a great vid Sliver Quill.
Twilight is more flexible?
that's a sentence you don't expect to hear
(*Flash wingboner*) 0o0'
I am very happy Silver that you did the character apprescition playlist but could you still do a season 5 playlist? And I would like you to review some season 7 episodes, you don't need to review all, you don't seem to be that interested in those anymore but you don't need to do evertything chonplogically if that's the issue.
Starlight is exactly what I've hoped the show would do for a long while, now. A villain that is reformed with a minimal amount of magic, just like Silver Quill said. Starlight gained her power over ponies through charisma and ideals first and foremost, so it just feels perfect for me that she comes around on her own by accepting Twilight's way in her heart, rather than simply being zapped with a magic rainbow laser beam. It felt *real.* And big kudos to the writers for proving that they could successfully buck their own long-set trends.
Even more than that, however, it's the fact that Starlight is the first major villain they've reformed that's actually gone on to *reform other villains.*
*SPOILERS*
That inspired speech she gave at the end of Season 6 helped reset the entire image of Changelings, and give them a real future alongside Equestria as a race that can share love, rather than just take it. She even tried to convince Chrysalis -- *convince,* not "friendship zap" (tm) -- that she could be happy leading her race into a new era where they could finally be whole. And deep down, Chrysalis looked like she wanted to take Starlight's hoof in acceptance (did you see her eyes wavering?), until she angrily swatted it away and shut her feelings away behind her familiar mask of anger.
Starlight was convinced of a better way by Twilight, learned about friendship the hard way, and successfully applied her lesson to help others. She paid it forward. This makes Starlight feel like a very *real* character to me. I can only imagine how much Twilight was glowing with pride in that moment. I know I sure was. ^_^
She was still a filly at the time Sunburst got his cutie mark. The pain of losing her only real friend to circumstances she couldn't control, especially since Starlight's personality is _based_ around control, was very real. Sure, she could have just moved on to other friends, she could have handled it better; but she wasn't thinking logically, she was thinking with her emotions, like kids tend to do. Remember Moon Dancer, and how she was so obsessed with Twilight she even emulated her hair style? And then how she sank into depression when Twilight didn't show up for her birthday party? If she'd gone evil for that, would _that_ be a "shitty backstory" as well? Moon Dancer wasn't thinking logically either, she was thinking with her emotions, with her attachment to Twilight and how angry and despairing she was when that was severed.
It was the same way with Starlight and Sunburst. Starlight was still too young to rationalize why Sunburst drifted away from her, so she turned her anger on cutie marks, the thing that she couldn't control. Then she worked to create a society without cutie marks, because she grew up to see them as evil. When I think about it from an *emotional* perspective, not a *logical* perspective like we who watch the show often do because we are not the characters, then Starlight's backstory actually makes a lot of sense to me.
silver I'm a big fan of your work and I'm wonder if you can give me your thoughts on my channel also what's on ssc 6000?
Is anyone else starting to think of Silver as an actual mlp character?
Interesting Analysis, Silver, but something still feels monumentally off about Starlight;
One of the main criticisms launched at her -that I realize you overlooked, is that things seem to come too easily for her, like the show is just handing her victory when all the characters prior really had to work for it.
The biggest example being of course TWABA in which she -on her own, without any magic whatsoever, just her WORDS, managed to defeat a legion enemy, whilst in the past it took more than just Twilight to save the day. Yes, she was the crux of the victories in many ways, but in the end they could only save the day working TOGETHER.
If they're going to build Starlight up as this skilled, powerful character with her own views and ideas that sound good, then fine; but in order for it to work, they need to show her not just with flaws, but FAILING. And I don't just mean choosing friends who will use her, or cheating on her homework assignment and it backfiring; I mean UTTERLY failing, like her plans come crashing down around her due to no fault of her own failing.
If she doesn't fail, then how are we to know that she's genuinely learned anything and not just saying the right things to win the day?
And in that sense, it seems almost like she's gone from manipulating others to manipulating US. Maybe that's what feels so off
I only think Starlight looks cute, as a character, she's not too exciting. Sunset is the cool gal.
Personally, I feel the opposite way. I think Starlight's a much more flawed and relatable character than Sunset.
I love Sunset to bits but outside of "Rainbow Rocks", she hasn't received much development. She's just "cool". That's pretty much her whole personality. She's nice but not a pushover, she's confident but not arrogant...she's just COOL. I mean, she's definitely likeable, but...that's about it.
We don't know much about her flaws, or her fears, we don't even know what she likes to do besides making music and hanging out with her friends. They've made a few scattered attempts to give her hobbies and quirks in the shorts, but none of them seem to stick.
Of course, EqG is a movie franchise so not much time is given to fully flesh out the characters, but it feels like a missed opportunity. Sunset is a very interesting character but we NEED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT HER.
Why tf do you starlight haters always feel the need to mention sunset in an argument?
I don't know I am still on the fence about her. She was not what I was hoping. I thought she would be the one to teach it's okay to be wrong, but she way just like every other villain if your not on their side you are a villain. now I am not talking about learning for your mistakes she does that, but there is another half that she doesn't show.
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God I really dislike starlight glimmer, mostly because she is a secondary character and yet on season 6 she took over both the 2 part opener and ending aka the most anticipated and viewed episodes. All of the main 6 were one dimensional, doing things and learning stuff that was already address as early as season 1. This is a clear sign that the head writer does not care nor want to know and understand them so thus he uses his one original pony starlight glimmer to do what the main had already done and what they should have been doing. Mostly it pisses me off that a literal oc is taking over the screen time
i liked her in season 5 but then season 6 came around and it went downhill from there i still like her but man was she poorly written
Starlight’s the better villain, while Sunset Is the better character
For me Starlight has more deep as a character than Sunset.
Let's face it, Sunset is a bland character. She's was a so generic teenager film antagonist, has a reform phase out of nowhere and just of a blink she is good now? No transition at all?
That's Always bother me, and in the second movie jus happen she's not only good, but also, perfect. There are no character development and all the movie does was waste my time trying to get me filling sorry for her and recap the events of the first so damn frecuently that I think the writers beleve the whole audience has a severe case of Alzheimer.
Starlight has something that the "All Mighty Backon girl" never will achive, because is so busy being the perfect waifu: Flaws. And her flaws is what makes Starlight Glimmer so great, because she fails, and fail is human.
There. COME AT ME YOU WHOLE B*CHES!
LET THE TRIGGER BEGAINS!!
couldn't agree more, my man.
Sunset is _far_ from perfect, and _Rainbow Rocks_ was her struggle for redemption as she faced a lot of uncertainty, still not knowing how to face a friendship.
Ben N Tell me What flaws she have and I might reconcidered my statement on her. But Rainbow Rocks was trying so hard to provoque pitty on her than hurt any chance of character development.
I don't see Why the Equestria Grils movies are so well recived. They are Nothing more than a collection of cliches overuses by others teenages movies before them.
Just ad My Little Pony in the title and see them buy it like there were the last Nutella on earth.
Gonzalo Lizio actually im with you bro
It's true really, the only reason people don't see it is because Sunset got "punished" in peoples eyes by others shunning her, but as a character Villain Sunset and Hero Sunset have almost no connective tissue, far less than all the other redeemed characters. Her worst flaw in RR is that she doubts herself... and after that movie even that is gone and she's pretty much a perfect heroic leader.
2nd I LOVE YOU SILVER PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE NOTICE ME
For me, personally, Starlight started off as the best villain thanks to the season 5 finale, then she became second best pony over the course of season 6, then the season 6 finale made her my pick for best pony overall.
Right? Exacly best villain in the whole show and my favourite one
I'm watching this instead of doing maths homework
#priorities