A Story Analysis of Mass Effect 2

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  • @archangelmichael3902
    @archangelmichael3902 2 года назад +1962

    The only criticism I have for this masterpiece: we're recruiting Legion way too late. Just not enough time.

    • @oliviawilliams6204
      @oliviawilliams6204 2 года назад +140

      I have many critism personally and point at this game as where ME got wrong. The morality system punish role playing, the leveling system is very limiting and offers about no variety of builds within a class, the Collector doesn’t really matter, we are railroaded into working for a terrorist group and we should have spent the middle installenent researching the Reaper not on a side quest. Oh and killing Shepard and destroying the Normandy was only done for shock value, it’s undone immediately and doesn’t affect Shepard im anyway. He died and resurrected and it didn’t change him or her in the slightest. They don’t even introspect about it.

    • @nagger8216
      @nagger8216 2 года назад +95

      @@oliviawilliams6204 Don't forget the giant baby Terminator boss fight at the end that's created by blending humans up and pumping them into it. People say ME3 ruined the Reapers, but if that's how they're created they were already on thin ice

    • @RuBiCaNT5X
      @RuBiCaNT5X 2 года назад +25

      Legion is my all time favorite character

    • @jmlaw8888
      @jmlaw8888 2 года назад +69

      @@oliviawilliams6204 Accurate.
      Honestly how this game is forgiven by so many. You go inside a semi-disabled Reaper. A R E A P E R. The series main antagonist. Do you learn anything interesting about their motives? Do you have a repeat of the dialogue with Sovereign on Virmire? Do you have to fend of cosmic horror whispers and question your perceptions?
      No. You just shoot waves of Husks and Scions. For 20 minutes.
      Wow.

    • @aleksamilosevic8792
      @aleksamilosevic8792 2 года назад +41

      @@oliviawilliams6204 ``. He died and resurrected and it didn’t change him or her in the slightest. They don’t even introspect about it.``
      It was a huge point in the narrative as to why Shepard was left to dry by the alliance and council.

  • @1wayroad935
    @1wayroad935 2 года назад +1142

    You know what is messed up about the story of ME2? During the entire argument between Mordin, Maelon, and Shepard on what to do about the Genophage, no one even thought to get any input from *the Krogan*

    • @pliskin101
      @pliskin101 2 года назад +184

      To be fair, there is a cut confrontation dialogue (Like Miranda and Jack have) with Mordin and Grunt about that.

    • @onepiece666
      @onepiece666 2 года назад +124

      Perfectly in character since both think their decisions are right based on their beliefs, not based on what the Krogans want as an species, though one can say Maleon is doing what Krogans want but don’t say

    • @LoadedL
      @LoadedL 2 года назад +54

      I think it's safe to say we know where they stand.

    • @1wayroad935
      @1wayroad935 2 года назад

      ​@@onepiece666 This is true. The flaws in both their beliefs are pretty evident as well.
      Mordin is still acting like the Krogan Rebellions are still happening, which is a bit weird. He is also relying entirely on numbers and completely ignoring the cultural impact the Genophage had on the Krogan. This is totally fair as it was not part of his field.
      Maelon is turning a blind eye to what the Blood Pack want to use the cure for as long as he got results. His volunteers also did not have complete informed consent so it is still totally messed up.
      Meanwhile, the final decision is given to Shepard, a person who absolutely does not have all the information needed to make a properly informed decision.
      God, what I wouldn't give to have Wrex in that conversation. Shame it couldn't happen because it was possible that he would have been dead by that point in the series.

    • @Bloodletter8
      @Bloodletter8 2 года назад +64

      Grunt was still figuring out who he even was. He didn't have any context yet about his people. Remember, his memories only start to make him feel anything later in the game. At first he sees mental images and flashes of info about Krogan history, but he feels nothing as he sees them. At the time of Mordin's loyalty my soon Grunt simply may not have any opinion yet.

  • @ADL21
    @ADL21 2 года назад +453

    if you save Sidonis, he ends up getting garrus father and Sister off of Palaven when the Reapers attack. It's a very nice touch to put Garrus morals back in place and to have it pay off positively in the end as opposed to not letting him do what he wants end up bad.

    • @Scottie_S
      @Scottie_S Год назад +22

      Adam, is that learned in ME3 or Is that canon in the comic book? I had no idea about that!

    • @thatoneviewer1553
      @thatoneviewer1553 Год назад +108

      @@Scottie_S It's cut content actually. But it would have been a really nice touch as ME is known for actions having consequences. Because in ME2, killing Sidonis is a no brainer. But finding out Sidonis could have saved them in ME3 if he was alive would have been a real gut punch for Garrus since he let his revenge control him. Don't know why they didn't implement it in the actual game.

    • @Scottie_S
      @Scottie_S Год назад +7

      @@thatoneviewer1553 I don't know why they didn't either. I think we would have eaten that stuff up!

    • @jesussilva201
      @jesussilva201 Год назад +25

      If Sidonis survive the encounter, he will sorrounded himself to the authorities but they will free him later due to the lack of charges against him
      The Citadel doesn't has authority over Omega and basically anyone that commit crimes there don't go to prison
      We learn about this hearing the news in the game

    • @alexdurain3753
      @alexdurain3753 Год назад +11

      That why the 3rd is still my favorite, because the game is all payoff.

  • @Silux_Ray
    @Silux_Ray 2 года назад +794

    Mordin giving safe sex advice will never not be funny

    • @milksterproductions
      @milksterproductions 2 года назад +55

      Mordin overall will never stop being funny, him singing is hands down the best thing, still annoyed at the role he plays in ME3 wish my boy wasn't in the position he was put it.

    • @zalabit927
      @zalabit927 Год назад +12

      @@milksterproductions Yeah, and the only way to save him is to do some shenanigans.
      Also have Wrex dead.

    • @TheFlurryofFlames
      @TheFlurryofFlames Год назад +15

      In watching this video, his breakdown of Mordin made me realize: he's your alt goth friend

    • @sebicmiel4221
      @sebicmiel4221 Год назад +8

      @@TheFlurryofFlames how did you realize that?😊
      That's briliant😂😊😊

    • @plsmorebrain9144
      @plsmorebrain9144 Год назад +13

      I think Mordin put it perfectly "Iam not sorry, Shepard. Have to be me, others could make mistake"
      Plus dont forget bro is around 40 and thier species is pretty fast living. I think he had at most 5-10 years left amd sure as shit not with his level of selfpresavation. I loved him going out in a blaze for correcting his ONE mistake.
      Better then seeing him mentally decline into a vegtable. Tech around the citadel-lvl can sure as shit keep u longer alive then most want for themselves

  • @Marco1995Mega
    @Marco1995Mega 2 года назад +252

    Rael's final message to Tali did NOT make her feel better. Her "thanks" was sarcastic; she hated the fact that his last message to her was an order, rather than some expression of familial affection or something. Shepard says as much to Shala'ran when they get back.

  • @CheesinIndian
    @CheesinIndian Год назад +159

    I will say this, IFF is a very real thing that’s commonly used in military aircraft. I’ve worked on military aircraft for 8 years and IFF if very Important especially when it comes to carrier operation and early warning. So it’s less of them pulling it out of their ass and more of it being actually rooted in standard military operations and tech.

    • @Someotherchannel-xv7cj
      @Someotherchannel-xv7cj Год назад +8

      Yeah, the IFF is as simple as a uniform to identify allies.

    • @lastmanstanding7155
      @lastmanstanding7155 10 месяцев назад

      Kinda like those black boxes on air planes? Or this a case of same object different nomenclature?

    • @CheesinIndian
      @CheesinIndian 10 месяцев назад +12

      @@lastmanstanding7155 not really. Black boxes, which really aren’t even black, are more of less an independent system that logs and tracks. Iff really is just modules and software. A ships IFF will digitally challenge the aircrafts and the aircrafts will respond with the correct passcode, phrase, whatever.

    • @lastmanstanding7155
      @lastmanstanding7155 10 месяцев назад

      @@CheesinIndian
      Oh cool good to know

    • @emeraldpichu1
      @emeraldpichu1 7 месяцев назад +3

      I think they were referring to conjuring an extra reaper out of nowhere that has drifted in dark space for several cycles, without being discovered, until conveniently Cerberus reversed triangulated the mass weapons, attack vector

  • @dualwieldroxas358
    @dualwieldroxas358 Год назад +104

    Mordin giving you medical advice about how to safely romance Tali is one of the reason i love the dude. He knows everything about your crew, and helps in the best ways he can.
    Just a generally quirky dude who wants to do good in the world

    • @JoshSweetvale
      @JoshSweetvale 10 месяцев назад +4

      While also being Mengele

    • @docwhiskey996
      @docwhiskey996 2 месяца назад

      ​@@JoshSweetvale mengele was never remorseful.

  • @PureBrawler
    @PureBrawler 2 года назад +130

    Just want to point out that The Arrival DLC is intended to be a post game DLC, after the suicide run. That's why you don't see any impact until mass effect 3, and is also why Shepard is on earth at the beginning of 3 as in The Arrival you can choose to willingly (or otherwise I guess) to head back to earth to defend your actions of destroying the mass relay.

    • @mustafaozturk2542
      @mustafaozturk2542 Год назад +9

      I think dispite all of that intentions, it is really fits with the last mission before the end mission and it would really suit the similar design of the first game. In the first game, you talk with Sovereign while you are talking with Harbinger in the second game. The reason for that is you were detentioned by alliance military at that point and that was not like a punishment instead the alliance was trying to protect shepard from the real punishment. Even he was working with Cerberus, he was after all stopped abductions from the human colonies, thus he was protected from the real punishment.

    • @iMarcusXBL
      @iMarcusXBL Год назад +5

      agreed. there has been a fair few misses in these videos

  • @theravenousrabbit3671
    @theravenousrabbit3671 Год назад +52

    Mass Effect is literally all about getting together your Team for a heist. When you perceive it from that angle, it all clicks.

  • @oliviawilliams6204
    @oliviawilliams6204 2 года назад +136

    Would like to point out that the Cerberus backstory here is a massive retcon from ME1. In ME1 it’s implied heavily that they were an Alliance Blackops group gone rogue

    • @nagger8216
      @nagger8216 2 года назад +70

      Everything about Cerberus is being retconned every game lol. First we apparently wiped them out in ME1 if you did those side quests, then in ME2 they have all the resources to not only rebuild the Normandy, but also had enough to not clone someone, but straight up bring them back from the dead after falling through the atmosphere of a planet. Then in ME3 they had an entire army and fleet we never saw before even though that would've been extremely useful against the Collectors

    • @ironwolf56
      @ironwolf56 2 года назад +49

      Didn't they SORTA handwave that with something like "oh it was THAT splinter faction of Cerberus that was a rogue black ops group."

    • @tylerbaldwin3269
      @tylerbaldwin3269 2 года назад +3

      @@ironwolf56 I believe so lmao

    • @MikeP828
      @MikeP828 2 года назад +14

      @@ironwolf56 yeah I think so. The Cerberus you hunt down for Kahoku were a different cell than the Lazarus cell, if I recall correctly.

    • @teriosshadow17
      @teriosshadow17 2 года назад +39

      @@MikeP828 As much as i love ME2, that was always big pet peeve for me. Especially if you have Sole Survivor background, there is no way to call out Cerberus for causing the deaths of Shepard's unit. Most people say that Sole Survivor Shepard would never work for Cerberus and normally i would agree with them. But it can work if addressed more which it unfortunately isn't.

  • @cater06
    @cater06 2 года назад +144

    I always have Kasumi destroy the box. Those memories aren't all she left of him. Plus in the next game she just holes herself in those memories. It's not healthy. Plus to me it dishonored Keji if she stopped being the person he fell in love with.

    • @nagger8216
      @nagger8216 2 года назад

      There's also a bunch of government secrets that could seriously dick the Alliance over, I don't think having VR sex with her dead boyfriend is really worth it

    • @MikeP828
      @MikeP828 2 года назад +4

      Doesn’t she say in ME3 that she didn’t really destroy the greybox? Or am I misremembering?

    • @DbladeMedic
      @DbladeMedic Год назад +6

      @@MikeP828 she says she destroyed the greybox but found a way to keep the alliance information.

    • @TheDancerMacabre
      @TheDancerMacabre Год назад +12

      My thought was it was Keiji's last request. Even though it was "Renegade"
      I also pick to destroy the Geth instead of rewriting because Jack mentions that being brainwashed to nod and smile is horrible fate

    • @FalenDragmire
      @FalenDragmire Год назад +6

      @@TheDancerMacabre The thing is, the Heretic Geth were effectively brainwashed into serving the Reapers to begin with. All Shepard does is repair the error in their programming that made them think that aligning with the Reapers was the correct choice.

  • @rowboatcop4451
    @rowboatcop4451 2 года назад +103

    Ah a fellow man of Vanguard culture
    What's interesting is that, even with all that is in the game to flesh out the crew members there was even more they initially planned, like a crew-mate conflict between mordin and grunt on the genophage, which would have been cool to see

    • @janekbrat6951
      @janekbrat6951 2 года назад +8

      Grunt is basically an adult baby that first saw the world just the moment he was recruted. In fact Grunt was Okeers way of ignoring the genophage. Wouldn't really make much sense for Grunt to care much about it in ME2.

    • @nathanielgarza9198
      @nathanielgarza9198 Год назад

      @@janekbrat6951 yeah I could see why they cut it though would of loved more in character interactions

    • @LegendaryDarkKnight602
      @LegendaryDarkKnight602 Год назад +1

      Jacob: If you're comfortable having an "ASSASSIN" watch your back.
      He compared assassins to mercenaries but he himself is a gun for hire.

    • @JoshSweetvale
      @JoshSweetvale 10 месяцев назад +3

      ​@@LegendaryDarkKnight602Jacob is Kanye West.

  • @Brisketclown
    @Brisketclown Год назад +48

    I really like how in the video the ardat-yakshi were compared to the succubus, it gives you an idea on how the devs got their inspiration for some of the species in mass effect.

    • @nathanielgarza9198
      @nathanielgarza9198 Год назад +1

      Fun fact the Asari is actually based on an very famous abduction story where an construction had worker forced intercourse with a blue looking women cause of aliens
      It was made famous because he had been very vocal that it did happen and aliens are real

  • @Dizzy-izzy.
    @Dizzy-izzy. Год назад +20

    When I was a kid, the collectors boarding the ship was the most terrifying thing I had ever played

  • @shinigamisway1645
    @shinigamisway1645 2 года назад +32

    I'm so glad you felt the exact same way I did about Zaeed. Good ole uncle Zaeed and his drunken war stories. I wish we got a little more of him but at least he's great in ME3 Citadel

  • @jimmcphearson7252
    @jimmcphearson7252 2 года назад +159

    In a way, I wish we saw more diversity in collector enemies. Insectoid design was great but I wish there was more dimorphism between close vs far away combatants. Just a shame the general model is never seen on the field.
    Maybe some non bipedal enemies in that vein. They're 50k year old corrupted aliens, make em weird

    • @archangelmichael3902
      @archangelmichael3902 2 года назад +20

      Kinda makes sense, since they were genetically altered. With degenerated reproductive system there's no possibility of gene diversity and adaptation which makes them almost clones.

    • @nagger8216
      @nagger8216 2 года назад +2

      Same, I was hoping they would at least use the models from Mass Effect 3 in the remaster, but no :(

    • @Crbennettx
      @Crbennettx Год назад +4

      Pretorian was weird enough

    • @segevkrespi8609
      @segevkrespi8609 Год назад +5

      I get your point but i think it's good as is, the collectors are just drones for the Reapers, nothing more, there's no need for diversity in looks for them since they exist for one purpose

    • @LegendaryDarkKnight602
      @LegendaryDarkKnight602 Год назад +2

      When you look at the Collector General next to a Collector, you'd wonder what the Prothean General looked like next to a Prothean.

  • @Marcara081
    @Marcara081 2 года назад +511

    Every Bioware game to date has made the mistake of having an enormous codex full of interesting lorem plus frequent, long loading screens. Yet for some reason, FOR SOME REASON, they have NEVER allowed you to peruse your codex while you're waiting for the game to load.
    It's unforgivable.

    • @UsernameGeri
      @UsernameGeri 2 года назад +46

      Or open your journal in the galaxy map. Instead they just cluttered it with shitty sticky note flags.

    • @-Coded
      @-Coded Год назад +26

      @@UsernameGeri To be fair it was a colossal improvement form the first game, which was like Morrowind in how they handled quest direction and giving that info to the player.

    • @Dracosian4802
      @Dracosian4802 Год назад +20

      actually not ENTIRELY true. In Dragon age inquisition you get (random) codex pages you have unlocked on the loading screens
      thought, yes, mass effect should have had this (and give you time to read them [by letting the loading screen only end when you press a button)

    • @kevinpissoff5272
      @kevinpissoff5272 Год назад +1

      Just check them out on the Elevator

  • @MrPeachie42
    @MrPeachie42 2 года назад +51

    A two hour analysis from Gingy? What an absolute treat!

  • @crispmax5888
    @crispmax5888 Год назад +15

    i love the way garrus just sits in the background during tali’s trial 😂

    • @candy-ass4915
      @candy-ass4915 Год назад +6

      Even better when you get Legion in there. He sits just like Garrus, but the fact that no one's even keeping an eye on him and it's just like a little kid waiting for his parents to stop talking to their friends is hilarious.

  • @valiensr1037
    @valiensr1037 2 года назад +26

    I usually don’t let Garrus take the shot in his loyalty mission. I thought that it wasn’t what Garrus really needed, and that he really needed to be able to forget the past and move on. The best way I thought for that was for him to let go of revenge.

  • @clintbeastwood5116
    @clintbeastwood5116 2 года назад +48

    I've always sided either Soldier or Sentinel in ME2. Soldier using every weapon, minus the SMG, and having an easy mode button (called Adrenaline Rush) makes them a powerhouse with a bullet for everybody. Sentinel is the tankiest class in the game, with tech armor boosting and instantly recharging shields, and having both warp and overload on hand is incredibly useful.

    • @raymondlee546
      @raymondlee546 2 года назад +1

      I've played each class at least twice (male/female) and my favorite class is Vanguard, with Soldier and Sentinel at #2 and #3. Infiltrator and Adept at #4 and #5, with Engineer at #6. I agree with you on Adrenaline Rush being one of the most powerful abilities, but for me Charge is just more fun.

    • @nathanielgarza9198
      @nathanielgarza9198 Год назад +1

      Vanguard you are able to 2 shot most enemies if you close up biotic charge on Insanity
      which gets easier with practice knowing the strength of squadmates and enemy coordination
      It is hell a satisfying and extremely invigorating i would only recommend playing insanity with Vanguard

    • @konstg6503
      @konstg6503 Год назад +2

      @@nathanielgarza9198 Vanguard is insanely fun to play, feels even more fun in ME2 than ME3, maybe because mobility is more limited in ME2.

    • @LegendaryDarkKnight602
      @LegendaryDarkKnight602 Год назад

      My favorite in this game was Infiltrator, in ME3 it was Adept. Adept with fully upgraded Dark Channel was kind of OP.

  • @NationFusion
    @NationFusion Год назад +13

    One thing I think that's absent here its the fact that it is a retrospective. When it came out and we were unsure about the next step and what would or wouldn't be expanded on. The ending of Arrival sent a shiver across my body because I wasnt sure when ME would come about. Having prior knowledge and info how everything shakes down makes things less intense.

  • @justcast1429
    @justcast1429 2 года назад +22

    Mass effect 2 was so impactful to me I now constantly try to get my friends to play the series

  • @IDark_IHammer
    @IDark_IHammer 2 года назад +36

    I never knew about the Dark Energy plot line until this video. That would have made the Reapers harder to hate and really would have thrown the ethics of fighting them into question. It also would have been a great way to segue into the Indoctrination Theory plot line. Huge kudos for the research and organization of a very dense game/series. Incredible job condensing everything without blowing over anything important.

  • @NinjaMan47
    @NinjaMan47 Год назад +16

    A small detail I always missed during Tali's loyalty mission was her strained relationship with her father. If you don't use a paragon interrupt to hug it out, Tali instead talks about how what she wanted was a father who was there to spend time with her instead of away chasing dreams of reclaiming the homeworld.
    If you expose the evidence at the trial, Tali can vent to Admiral Ran about how her father's last words were not a goodbye to her but rather instructions for Tali to shutdown the geth and retrieve the data. And on the Normandy, Shepard can defend his actions be saying it was what her father wanted but Tali responds that she is tired of people doing terrible things for her benefit and without her consent. Exposing the evidence will result in her not being loyal for the final mission.
    If you allow Tali to be exiled, Admiral Ran will angrily confront you two about not showing the data. Tali can respond that it is for the good of the fleet which only makes Ran angrier, with her saying that Tali is just like her father being far too willing to sacrifice everything for the fleet. Tali however takes her exile with pride saying she was exiled for the good of the fleet and not through any fault of her own. Allowing her to be exiled actually results in her being loyal.
    I adore this mission for highlighting how much Tali wished her father wasn't so absent, too focused on the fleet to care for his own daughter; and yet Tali also is just as willing to sacrifice anything for the fleet, even her own place in it.

    • @TheImapotato
      @TheImapotato Год назад +3

      I have the opposite opinion. The Daddy issue trope is a lazy & pushing narrative shown way too much in media and shows more about the producers writers perceived trauma than I believe fits Tali. She idolized her father and it would nice to know she realized her father's love in his attempt to do ANYTHING to make sure she had a normal life on their homeworld.

    • @NinjaMan47
      @NinjaMan47 Год назад +5

      ​@Imapotato The fact that basically everyone has "daddy issues" in Mass Effect is pretty bad when you think about it.
      Miranda has the egomaniacal father, Jacob has an actual monster for a father, Thane is an absentee father, and Wrex's father literally tried to kill him. But at least Tali's story is the most fleshed and nuanced of the bunch.

    • @TheImapotato
      @TheImapotato Год назад +2

      @@NinjaMan47 Yea that is why I hoped one of the great characters would have been spared. In ME2 she showed none of that, but she gets drunk & slams her dad... was disappointing

  • @DerkmanX
    @DerkmanX 2 года назад +61

    I love these types of videos, and I know they must take a WHILE to create. Props to you Gingy!

  • @Pimpgamer101
    @Pimpgamer101 Год назад +11

    “I’ve had enough of your disengenuous assertions!” is one of my favorite videogame moments of all time.

  • @joelando9485
    @joelando9485 2 года назад +20

    I love your game analysis. Never disappointed. I always learn something new from games that I play 1000 times. Keep the good work

  • @Marco1995Mega
    @Marco1995Mega 2 года назад +92

    One of my biggest issues with ME2's story is the fact that Sole Survivor Shepard - if the Corporal Toombs mission was done in ME - never mentions the fact they killed his Akuze squadmates due to their experiments with thresher maws. Ever. Despite being a significant event in his life that shaped a part of his personality. Tela Vasir had to actually point that out. The reason, of course, is because we wouldn't have the intended ME2 story (which I love, to be clear) if that fact were brought up, as it would be too unbelievable that Shepard would work with Cerberus then. I still think it's a really cheap way they went about it, though.
    And Cerberus is DEFINITELY a terrorist organisation. They went rogue and split off from the Alliance, conducted inhumane experiments on humans and aliens, silenced even high-ranking military officials that found out too much, assassinated political figures, kidnapped children, etc. I agree that it isn't black and white and they're mostly helpful in this game, but that doesn't make them any less terrorists, or wash away the fact they did some absolutely horrendous things up to that point.

    • @teriosshadow17
      @teriosshadow17 2 года назад +20

      I think there are ways that Sole Survivor Shepard would work with Cerberus. Shepard doesn't have to trust nor forgive Cerberus for what they have done, but he doesn't have much options since Alliance and Council refuses to help and he needs resources and team to take down Collectors from attacking any other colonies. Still, i wish there was chance for Shepard to call out TIM for the Akuze incident and TIM would say they were separate or rogue scientists or something. I wish we didn't need Vasir to point that out for us.

    • @jrr7031
      @jrr7031 Год назад +2

      Nope. Operation: paperclip 'em.......

    • @josephhiers9523
      @josephhiers9523 Год назад +7

      I like to think Shep regardless of trauma is practical enough to realize sometimes you have to work with people you hate for a greater purpose. Shep had no other realistic options for funding and a squad.

    • @jesussilva201
      @jesussilva201 Год назад +4

      Outside of Cerberus there's not an alternative to fight the Collectors. The Alliance just give you the middle finger and don't trust you. The Council cut ties with you, despite that hey can give you your Spectre status, and don't want to be involved in what they call “human business".
      The only alternative is Cerberus. Is up to the player to trust in them or not. However I'm agree that the game should have let us been more vocal about the shit they did
      There's some dialogue options that mentioned the side quests in MA1 but that's it. But you can be very clear about not trusting Cerberus

    • @nathanielgarza9198
      @nathanielgarza9198 Год назад

      I would think they would at least have an option to point it out to the Illusive man

  • @maninacan9780
    @maninacan9780 2 года назад +22

    I always thought the collectors were meant to be a sort of clean up crew after the reaper's arrival, but they had to be activated early because the Reaper Invasion was delayed. Why else would they have a massive ship with enough pods to collect an entire planet, and a reaper assembly area on their homeworld/station/hive?

  • @literalsarcasm1830
    @literalsarcasm1830 2 года назад +11

    Garrus left the space police to become space Batman

  • @justhaku9240
    @justhaku9240 2 года назад +8

    Dude I just wanna say you're quickly becoming one of my favorite youtubers, Appreciate ya and can't wait to watch this mass effect is one of my favorite game series flaws and all

  • @wingzero1372
    @wingzero1372 2 года назад +12

    There is actually a paragon option with Kasumi where you offer to destroy the greybox for her. **spoiler** if she keeps that box it gets stolen. She also never moves on and heals from her lovers death. Some paragon actions are bad lol

  • @CullenMF
    @CullenMF 2 года назад +7

    Was just rewatching the first one last night!! Thank you Gingy❤️❤️

  • @aguspuig6615
    @aguspuig6615 2 года назад +4

    Mani just did Thanes loyalty mission today and at one point i was literally a pixel away from losing my target, to know that that actually would have resulted on the mission being completely failed gives such weight to having completed it, mass effect 2 is truly a great game

  • @ryanelliott71698
    @ryanelliott71698 Год назад +7

    I get why people love the game, I just think it blinds people to its faults. Shamus Young does an excellent video on how many of the things Mass Effect 1 set up to make writing Mass Effect 2 easier are thrown out the window. Such as being a Spectre giving character agency, hints of the galaxy getting ready for what comes next, Laura’s research, etc.
    But what damages this game severely is that by and large it adds nothing to the Reaper plot. The Collectors don’t advance the Reaper story at all. We end ME1 and start ME3 in the same position. Honestly ME2 should’ve been about getting the galaxy ready for the Reapers. Maybe even have a Dragon Age style group meeting where we try to plead our case to the other races. Which would determine how easy or hard it would be to fight the Reapers in ME3.
    It also doesn’t help this game hurts ME3 by answering like idk… Shepard coming from the grave might be a big deal! Like Jesus, no one in ME2 bothers to ask if Shepard is really Shepard since he technically died. No one bats an eye about it and it’s shocking the writers didn’t notice this gaping problem.
    Oh, and then there’s the problem that the vast majority of squad mates are entirely pointless. Now I love them as characters kind you, but why do we need Thane when we never use his assassin/ ninja abilities on a mission? Or how about Jack? Who seems like a liability than an asset. Mordin is probably the only squad mate who has any plot relevance with the Collectors.

    • @jbear3478
      @jbear3478 Год назад +1

      Thank you!!!! It's literally about nothing tbh. The third one is so much better played on legendary, I was shocked how much they added to it and I was not impressed at all with how weak this second game is

    • @jbear3478
      @jbear3478 Год назад +1

      PS I think original shep is gone. This is a new soul with his/her memories

    • @JonTalbain777
      @JonTalbain777 Год назад

      I just got through my first Legendary play through of the trilogy and, though I do love 2 as well, you capture my thoughts exactly. Despite those faults I do think it is probably the best individual game of the three, though ME3 is still my favorite. It’s completely structured on what Bioware did best at the time: character and immersive world building, and thus it gets away with having a very thin main plot that, once you know it, is rather mechanical and contrived and does little for the trilogy as a whole. All that said, it still ends well enough, and is again probably the best overall game experience.

    • @venandisicarius32
      @venandisicarius32 Месяц назад

      I think thats part of the point ultimately. You trying to convince people of the reaper threat and them not believing. I do agree that more should've been done with it though, that would've been cool.
      And the idea of people not believing Shepard was actually themself would have been awesome, but i think for ME 1 companions they would have had faith that despite the grim circumstamce, Shepard wouldve lived

  • @MistahJay7
    @MistahJay7 2 года назад +10

    Lair of the Shadow Broker easily has the best romance writing in the entire trilogy and it's not even close.

    • @JoshSweetvale
      @JoshSweetvale 10 месяцев назад +2

      Liara the Shadow Broker.

  • @Lilly-tr2gw
    @Lilly-tr2gw 2 года назад +8

    I saved sidonus or whatever his name is because:
    1. I’m always choosing paragon options
    2. He does eventually turn himself in. You can hear it on the galactic news thingies

  • @marmer1327
    @marmer1327 Год назад +5

    Zaeed was one of my favorites because of how much he was like a friend of mine, who would always keep an eye on the neighborhood and school, sadly he would later die to side-effects of agent orange before I graduated from high-school. Then Zaeed was the only one to die in my play though, that really hurt me, haven't touched it since 💔 😭

  • @liverpool8925
    @liverpool8925 2 года назад +18

    This is my favourite game ever an absolute masterpiece from start to finish.

    • @raymondlee546
      @raymondlee546 2 года назад +3

      I agree 100% - I played the original trilogy as they were released and played through MELE about 3 times so far. MELE has brought a new generation of ME fans more than a decade after the release of ME1 - a sign of a true masterpiece.

    • @channel45853
      @channel45853 Год назад +2

      True, and personally, I like the story, I don't see how it's the weakest. Mass Effect games always had a few missions about the main story so idk why this RUclipsr specifically picked on ME2 for this. I like the reapers in 3 but they were never important enough to me that I would mind not seeing them for a while game. I think people should complain more about how little of the Virmire survivor we saw. I know we're with Cerberus, but Bioware could've done way more with them than 2 scenes.

    • @halbarad7932
      @halbarad7932 Год назад +1

      @@channel45853 Yeah. And since in this game they have such a small screentime, the reunion in the third game doesn't really feel that much satisfying because there is a huge gap between the first and third game in their character development. Also, I have a bit of a problem with how they are introduced in the third game as well (that stupid distrustfulness from Ashley I swear). Fortunately as the ME3 progresses the aspect of their character gets a lot better, but it's just a pity that they could've been one of the more important characters (furthermore playing into the "make your own story" element of the game), but end up as one of the side characters you don't care as much about. I feel like Virmire survivor should've been an easy slam dunk from BioWare, but they were too lazy to write them I guess.

  • @chrismashek1844
    @chrismashek1844 Год назад +1

    Thank you for being the first lore channel I’ve heard accurately describe primary and secondary mass relays

  • @johnmilton2242
    @johnmilton2242 Год назад +3

    Great video,
    One thing, renege isn't 'evil' it's 'ends justify the means'- must stop the reapers, you either help or you get out of the way.

  • @unblessedcoffee1457
    @unblessedcoffee1457 Год назад +5

    I feel like the Genophage worked a lot better in the first game, where it wasn't clear that it was intended only to reduce Krogan numbers to a manageable level. It made it a lot more morally grey. The second game gives you an easy out for arguing in it's favour.

  • @leonidasking7502
    @leonidasking7502 Год назад +2

    Mass effect 123 is my favourite game series ever. Actually teared up at the Xmas party photo at the end of 3 😭

  • @MrAim-gm7gi
    @MrAim-gm7gi Год назад +1

    Can't believe I spent 2 straight hours watching this, damn the content is so good that time went by without me noticing

  • @dr.calibrations7984
    @dr.calibrations7984 2 года назад +4

    To add to your review, yes, Mass Effect 2 was on 2 disks. And originally you were supposed to get all dossiers at the start. There's even Diolog still in game from aliens going into the plague zone to recruit Mordin.

  • @-TakingSomeLs
    @-TakingSomeLs 2 года назад +5

    1:46:09 fun fact, theres "unused" dialogue that shows garrus reacting to legion, basically a "hm, normally id decline but ill take it, cant be picky" like kal reegar. I say "unused" because its in the game, but you have to get legion later on

    • @jamesknapp64
      @jamesknapp64 Год назад

      those mods that allow you to have Legion from the begining are hilarious

  • @sharklegs
    @sharklegs Год назад +7

    If you do project ascension after the end of the main plotline (as i always do tbh) you get to see harbinger in its real reaper form, not significant but pretty cool

  • @degeneratemale5386
    @degeneratemale5386 3 месяца назад +1

    Regarding the recruitment of squadmates, you were originally meant to be able to recruit them in any order. This was abandoned late in development, due to the Xbox needing 2 disks in order to fit all of mass effect 2. So they had to divide the recruitment into 2 phases for disk 1 and 2. Second disk squadmates have dialogue for recruiting squadmates on the first disk

  • @haydennoble9253
    @haydennoble9253 Год назад +2

    Fun fact: the Vorcha are voiced by Mark Meer who also voices male Shepherd

  • @lewismileham2158
    @lewismileham2158 6 месяцев назад +1

    I'm not too sure why but the email in ME3 where you see Kal Reagar is killed saving a Turian Patrol almost brings a tear to my eye. Because you can't save everyone, and he was always gonna be one of those people ready to lay down his life for anyone, and it's one of those that makes the message in ME3 hit. Playing through ME2 now can't wait to get back to ME3.

  • @ThePendletonGuy
    @ThePendletonGuy 2 года назад +1

    I can’t say I agree with you on everything but you present in such a way I’m excited to see you’re take on mass effect 3

  • @herokenshin7527
    @herokenshin7527 2 года назад +1

    Thanks Gingy!
    Absolutely loving your Retrospectives!
    Keep up the good work, and thanks for giving us some amazing content to watch!
    Looking forward to ME3 and MEA

  • @cyjoker333
    @cyjoker333 2 года назад +4

    Another top notch video!!! Thanks for these.

  • @KeanuChrist
    @KeanuChrist 2 года назад +4

    Been waiting for this! I love Mass Effect 2. Looking forward to hearing your opinion. I watched your entire Soulsborne series after I completed their respective game. Just watched your Sekiro one yesterday shortly after I finished Sekiro for the first time.

  • @bradleyrg12
    @bradleyrg12 Год назад +2

    A Mass Effect 2 with the Normandy Squadmate interactions that ME3 had (the ones where garrus could move from his guns and tell war stories) is easily an S tier game right there

  • @chiangedison8080
    @chiangedison8080 Год назад +1

    10:52 Tackle to the nuts? Outstanding move Shepard, that's why you're the boss

  • @BallinCrookGaming
    @BallinCrookGaming 2 года назад +1

    Stumbled upon your channel yesterday and binged four videos back to back, now you drop a review of my all time favorite game. Great day!
    Edit: spelling

  • @Lc-Anders
    @Lc-Anders 2 года назад +9

    My only problem with the game is that when you’re planning the series back to back, 2 just feels like side mission the game.
    None of the missions feels connected to each other and I don’t feel the pay off of any of it until the last mission and playing through 3.
    There’s only like 5 or 6 actually main mission in a game that has like 30 or 40 something and half of those are really short. I don’t dislike like the game at all, I think it’s really well crafted, it was the first of the trilogy that I played. But it’s my least favorite of the 3 now cause it steers from the main plot so much for much of its run time I feel.

    • @e.corellius4495
      @e.corellius4495 Год назад

      yeah, in hindsight its basically all just set up for 3 really.

  • @CptCJ-qb2rb
    @CptCJ-qb2rb Год назад

    Good job putting this together, I'm usually not a fan of longer form vids but this was well done.

  • @dididi3368
    @dididi3368 Год назад +3

    i think one of my favorite things about the shadow broker info on characters was the fact that legion played a quarrian dating simulator for 72 hrs, and has not seceded once it. Also that he bought a game that sole purpose was charity to quarrians. It to me shows that the geth are sympathetic to the quarrians and do actually want to come to an understanding of there creators, or at least legion does. also apparently legion was banned from a game for taunting his opponents, I take this to mean that he teabaged other players. also in the same game they tried to ban him for using a vi but the claims where disputed and those didn't go through, but he didn't try to dispute the taunting one and took the 4 day ban (or it was 4 months I forget).

  • @moisesfreire6408
    @moisesfreire6408 Год назад +2

    A funfact: if you complete The Arrival DLC after beating the game the hologram you talk to in the end is Harbinger in his reaper self, not using the collector body.

  • @justinejansen1464
    @justinejansen1464 Год назад

    You deserve so much more credit for explaining these games so we'll. I knew nothing before I watched your videos.

  • @Pimpgamer101
    @Pimpgamer101 Год назад +3

    Tali has always been my main squeeze! Even if her canonical appearance is a stock photo.

  • @DoesRocksFloat
    @DoesRocksFloat Год назад +1

    The “disable mission timer” mod is a godsend if you wanted to recruit and use legion more.

  • @jeangentry6656
    @jeangentry6656 Год назад +1

    Something I really appreciate about the storytelling of ME2 is how it explores the theme of Family, in particular the role of parents, and making peace with the past. Characters such as Samara and Thane have to put a stop to their child and their evil ways (Thane gets to save his son while Samara must sadly put down her own daughter for the good of the galaxy), while characters such as Miranda, Jacob, and Jack have to free themselves from the legacies of their parent/parent figures.
    We also have Tali, who is made to stand trial for her father's actions, and yet still wants to keep his legacy in tact, even if it means exile from all she has known. Then there is Legion, who just wants to make peace with Creator-Tali. In a way, he wants to come home.
    We see the impact of parents left upon their kids, how being a controlling, abusive, or absentee parent is harmful and how it leaves a scar on the child, even when they are adults.
    Then we have the positive story of Grunt, made by a Master/Father (kinda like Miranda) who didn't care about him but who is able to find a home amongst both the Krogan and in Shep's crew.
    And that's not even touching upon how the game tackles themes like Revenge (Garrus, Zaeed, and even to a degree Kasumi) or Ethics and Guilt (Mordin).

  • @IOSARBX
    @IOSARBX 4 месяца назад

    Gingy, I liked this video because it's awesome!

  • @jackattacktron1000
    @jackattacktron1000 9 месяцев назад

    I like that this game is very character focused. Not only do you have to spend time with your squad and gain their loyalty, you also get to grow closer to them as a result. I have just as much fun talking to characters like Mordin, Legion, and Garrus as well as playing the actual game it’s just great.

  • @Pimpgamer101
    @Pimpgamer101 Год назад

    I never knew about the Legion flotilla interactions, never tried so hard to go out of my way. That’s so awesome that the team thought of that stuff.

  • @jrr7031
    @jrr7031 Год назад

    Man.... i love these deep dives!! I cant get enough
    Edit: remember fans...its "the Illusive man" not the "Elusive man."

  • @dgrblue4162
    @dgrblue4162 Год назад +1

    I always have Garrus stand down. Killing Sidonis wont actually help him with his pain over losing his team, and forces Garris to actually think about the consequences of his actions

  • @Universeknight10055
    @Universeknight10055 4 месяца назад +1

    Great video 😊😎👍. Mass effect is one of my favorite video games.

  • @zalabit927
    @zalabit927 Год назад +1

    1:44:43 I love how Legion moves his head to a side, like some curious parrot🗿

  • @JAYDOG1337A
    @JAYDOG1337A 2 года назад +1

    Okeers solution wouldn't make them precisely render the genophage mute, it would use the genophage to selectively breed krogan, so only those with the strongest genes would survive, that way a single krogan would be just as valuable as the hundreds of krogan that would've been born from that 1 pregnancy if not for the genophage.

  • @ababab678
    @ababab678 Год назад +1

    I miss the crazy sprinting from the first one. Also good to see another helmeted in cutscenes person.

  • @emdeo
    @emdeo Год назад +2

    I actually genuinely liked Miranda as a character, mostly because of her issues. She's such an ass, its great.
    Also the red eyes and scars from this game were a huge fave. Angy Shepard.

  • @LordBloodraven
    @LordBloodraven Год назад +1

    It freaked me out that the Collectors were carrying out such thorough abductions like the disappearance of the colony of Roanoke, Virginia.

  • @BattleManiac7
    @BattleManiac7 Месяц назад +1

    Honestly, I think the Reapers needed to be pushed into the 3rd game. If they want us to care about the galaxy burning around us under a swarm of space squid, we need to see it not on fire. ME1 was too busy setting up the trilogy's premise and universe and was therefore focused on that. ME2 lets us see more of the galaxy, meet more new people, and learn new details of the already known races.

  • @jonnythan1210
    @jonnythan1210 5 месяцев назад

    “Leaving him to die is the perfect paragon choice”

  • @bryanhansen6041
    @bryanhansen6041 2 года назад

    Love all your content. The amount of detail you provide is incredible.

    • @iMarcusXBL
      @iMarcusXBL Год назад

      he does a good job but he still missed a lot, same with ME1

  • @nemesisencounter2060
    @nemesisencounter2060 Год назад +1

    You can save the workers and still earn Zaeed loyalty by a paragon speech check also the locust smg is supresed

  • @Gunthersby
    @Gunthersby 7 месяцев назад

    I remember a few things about ME 2, such as wanting there to be more about the Vorcha in some form, and that enemies with flamethrowers will kill you at least once per run

  • @Maya_Ruinz
    @Maya_Ruinz 2 года назад +3

    Great video, I think the only problem I have with the game is just the animation system, a lot of animations are reused and it really shows. I understand creating so many animations would be time consuming but I think they should have created unique animations for different races, could have helped make it more immersive. Game is definitely a masterpiece for its time, its my #2 GOAT behind Horizon Zero Dawn, Its just so replayable and the characters are easily some of the most memorable ever created, its almost the perfect game.

    • @Chris.Holcomb
      @Chris.Holcomb Год назад

      Absolutely! The repetitive animations really kill replayability for me. My first playthrough I didn't really notice. Now I see every animation each time it's recycled. The chest stretch, the "look away, look back", the finger point, the headshake and walk away, etc.. The single most impacting parts of ME2 and 3 were the handcrafted non-recycled animations.

  • @AmbiDai
    @AmbiDai 2 года назад

    absolute banger of a video Gingy, Love the content you make, Looking forward to the MS3 video as well 😄

  • @DrunkenPilotVideos
    @DrunkenPilotVideos Год назад +1

    Fun fact, EDI is made partially from the Rogue VI in the moon from Mass Effect !

  • @glowyrm
    @glowyrm Год назад +1

    I LOVED Vanguard.
    Dashing in for crazy Dmg, crazy shield, and then it was shotgun to the face. Rinse and repeat.

  • @redraider9547
    @redraider9547 4 месяца назад

    Fun fact: do the arrival dlc after the suicide mission and harbinger appears in the hologram as a reaper since the last scene of the suicide mission reveals harbinger was a reaper instead of a collector

  • @timothybeaulieu5103
    @timothybeaulieu5103 10 месяцев назад

    On Jacob's mission, I'm willing to bet that the degenerative properties of the food was inspired by a story out of the TTA Authority sourcebook, 'Spacewreck', which was published back in 1978.
    That whole series of books are excellent reads if you can find intact copies of them.

  • @MistahJay7
    @MistahJay7 2 года назад +3

    There definitely is a good reason to keep Morinth alive and kill of Samara. A Renegade Shepard that literally took money from Pitne For and his drugs as Samara states she will hunt us down after her oath if we do anything Injust. Yea I could 100% see why a renegade Shepard would have this thought process and have Samara killed off dealing with that loose end.

  • @wales6659
    @wales6659 Год назад

    Spent this weekend watching your channel noice 👍🏾

  • @neptuneplaneptune3367
    @neptuneplaneptune3367 Год назад +1

    Originally it was apperently possible too recruit everyone, including Legion, right from the get go. You even can find code in the game that shows Legion HAS recorded Diologue fore earlier missions but im not too sure

  • @HexaDecimus
    @HexaDecimus 2 года назад +1

    Whenever harbinger takes control of a collecter in combat, he'll comment on your alien companions on why their species is unsuitable to be turned into reapers.

  • @LezbionestHere
    @LezbionestHere 9 месяцев назад

    I jsut wanna say, I absolutely love mordin. favourite character int he entire series. He actually comes off as a genuinely intellectual and emotionally intelligent person.

  • @LaSerpentDEden
    @LaSerpentDEden Год назад +1

    12:39 when you finally got back to Veetor and I remembered how you even got interrupted by the 'interrupt' explanation, I knew I had to sub. That's so relatable xD

  • @viperarum5538
    @viperarum5538 10 месяцев назад

    just a little side note, you can do at least 2 missions after Legions recruitment without loosing any of the crew - i tested it to have Legion accompany Tali at the flottila ^^

  • @amaurisstudio
    @amaurisstudio Год назад +2

    Mmmm I remember I finished the game with my entire crew alive in my second run... I did every single mission and get the resources from every planet...

  • @patrickdelaney7538
    @patrickdelaney7538 Год назад

    Another really cool feature of Lair of the Shadow Broker DLC is that if you look closely we see Liara without makeup on

  • @MichalMalu
    @MichalMalu 2 года назад

    Good job on the video Gingy! keep up the good work.

  • @chrishoward3733
    @chrishoward3733 4 месяца назад

    Bringing legion to Talis trial is the most absurd thing in the trilogy yet I have to it every playthrough

  • @vancetar5726
    @vancetar5726 2 года назад +1

    Love these. please keep it up. You should do a game that's more difficult to get information about like Warframe. A game like that would leave a lot of speculation and cause a lot of comments in the comments section.