Hola, estoy haciendo una investigación etnomusicóloga sobre el nexo de la música afrolatinoamericana (bomba, guaguancó, batucada, samba, festejo, landó, mapalé, cumbia, bomba ecuatoriana, etc.) y quisiera saber cuales eran los instrumentos oriundos con los que se tocaba la bomba boricua. Gracias y sigamos trabajando para unir nuestro pueblo.
Afroecuadorian from Valle del Chota (Ecuador soccer team most of them are from there) , they have a rithm called BOMBA . This area is located in the high lands ,they escaped from slavery in the low lands sugarcane plantations and lives there since 16 century , their BOMBA is so pure . Check BOMBA VALLE DEL CHOTA
So on the Western side of the island Bomba has a distinct sound. Now southern coastal towns like Ponce, Guayama and others have there own type of Bomba which it seems is more female oriented than the north or the west. For example, in southern bomba traditions a woman is the lead vocalist and is acompanied by a call response chorus group of women. Women are also the dancers. The males play percussion barriles, the fua or cuas and maracas.
I'm glad you read it.Depending on population history, mtDNA may not be a good indicator of the genetic contribution of a historical population to a current one. While this scenario is an exageration of the history of Puerto Rico, it is useful for understanding why the fact that 60 % of Puerto Ricans have native mt DNA does not mean that Puerto Ricans are on average 60%, or even 30%, native.
I agree, population growth in Puerto Rico has slowed over the past years, even compared to the neighboring islands. As for the native population, there are no pure Tainos left, although thier genes are still present.
I read alot while I put 50 in da clip and I hear alot of folkloric Puerto Roc music weather Criollo of the mountainous region or African based from the coastal areas.
Ferre came many years after Barbosa and Ferre's father was not even from PR he was French who worked on the Panama Canal and than settled in Cuba eventually coming to PR.
Rhibac another thing I find odd is that there is no place like Loiza in the United States. Out of every place in the United States name me a maroon community that has existed for hundred years like the palenques in Pinones of Puerto Rico. Matter of fact name me one African American musical form by its African name. In PR we have Bomba really known as Ghombe with rythmic variations like guembe, cocobaile, holamula, sica, yuba and others.
You are right Bomba is similar in rythm and instrumentation to Gwak from Guadalupe and folkloric music from Martinique. Bomba is also similar in sound to Tumba Francesca from Western Cuba of Hatian origin. It looks like Bomba or Mgombe may have been strongly influenced by the French caribbean. Bomba from towns on the West Coast of PR like Mayaguez (which is 36% black for those who not aware)have strong Afro French caribbean influence.
Ditto. Im fully puerto rican. My mom has auburn hair (when she was a child she was a red head) with freckles and everying. In her side of the family she has family with red hair, green eyes and freckles (perhaps irish or scotting people went to puerto rico? Who knows.). But she also has these native american high cheek bones and olive skin. Thats her taino side. While my dad is mostly african. Damn we sure are one heck of a mix eh? lol.
The bomba rythmic patterns of the southern coast are also very distinct compared to the north or west. The music there is strongly influenced by the English caribbean like Barbados or Jamaica. The Bomba rythm called Yuba are directly from the town of Mayaguez or the west and it sounds more like Palo from Congo in nature.
@harupal1 Me interesa mucho sus comentarios sobre Loiza. Me gustaria aprender mas. Llegaste a participar en bailes de Bombas en tiempos atras? En el 2006 tuve la oportunidad de conocer a Chichito y los Osorios. Me hubiera gustado presenciar antiguos bailes de Bomba.
You are right but only in part. The study you quote is of the maternal lines and the numbers are as you said. The paternal lines however show that 70% is European, 25% African and 5% Ameridian. So it's much more of a mix then most people thought. That is the beauty of our people.
You though know that this test shows that roughly 50% of the Puerto Rican population has a African ancestor but only 20% are visibly afro centric. Off course 30% of that 50% are definately mixed with indigenous and European elements.
That is so true, But people have a misconcerption that all Puerto Ricans look like Marc Anthony and J-Lo when thats not always the case, just take a look at the video.
More than just 3 races, we all know about the Spanish, African and Taino, we learn that in school, but what books rarely mention is the fact that we also had thousands of immigrants from China, India, France and plenty Syrians...and they all mixed with the 3 races you speak of, creating a universe of ethnicities in our little island...so not all Puerto Ricans have just the "3 races" and "Puerto Rican" is a nationality, not a race...we say "la raza boricua" but in reality, its "las razas". MANY.
Now Bomba from Loiza on the north east coast has more of an authentic west African character than the western or southern coast though there may be influences from the Danish caribbean.
@harupal1 Interesante. Un amigo mio me conto una vez que hubo una colonia de Guayameros que se establecieron en Loiza y que por eso existe la cancion que se canta en Loiza "Guayamero yo soy de Guayama, soy soy soy de Guayama".
Its one thing to be black such as African Americans are black by complexion but its another thing to take pride in your African roots from a cultural perspective. Unfortunately, because blacks in the United States were stripped of their African identity they do not have the rich African traditions which still live on in the Hispanic Caribbean. The way we express our selves, our foods and our music is something directly related to West/Central Africa Congo/Yoruba to be exact.
I know people who live in Puerto Rico who are only 3rd or 4th generation Puerto Rican who are pure, they haven't been in Puerto Rico 400 years to mix and mingle like the spaniards, africans and tainos did originally...and they aren't any "less" puerto rican just cause they are 3rd generation...once again, "puerto rican" is a nationality....whoever is born in PR is a puerto rican, there's areas where you'll see pure chinese people who were born in PR as well as their parents and grandparents.
Regardless of what you've stated PR, Cuba and the Dominican Republic have a shared history outside of the realm of the United States of America, Mexico or Brazil. We (Caribbean hispanics) were the first colonies established by the Europeans. Slavery in Puerto Rico goes back since 1500 - March 22 1873. The second slave revolt that took place in the new world was in PR by slaves of the Wolof tribe way before there was a Brazil, Mexico or USA.
Yeah but what she really means is that Bomba is African based. Yeah it is African music transplanted in the Caribbean but it is still African and specifically Congolese or Ghana rythms in origin. CF
If in fact the Mayans were well established in PR...I'd say there's a huge chunk of missing history in the books..and this would put a whole bunch of other stuff in question too.
Did I say there weren't any? But people always talk about how Puerto Ricans are a mix of "3 races" but they completely forget about the thousands of immigrants from all parts of the world that settled in Puerto Rico...read my comment properly before replying because I think you missed the whole point I was making.
Unlike towns on the south or the west, the town of Loiza was isolated from the rest of PR for quite some time. With no external inluences and not much intermingling of races between African, Taino and European (like the rest of Puerto Rico). I think these factors may be the reason that Loiza is one of the only towns in Puerto Rico that remained black in demographic.
I am really white puertorrican (jincha), and like all boricua I can't just stand when I hear this music. People from other places can't understand how blended we all are, and that we don't see color as a part of our culture. I have family from Venezuala and even for them it's kinda hard beacause they still see themselves like "my family are from Spain or my ancestors are Italian", And they kinda get ofended when I tell them I'm sorry but you look Venezualan to me.
I know it seems impossible..and again, I wasn't there to witness this...I'm just forwarding information I have read in books...there's a lot of infomration out there in books that might surprise you...its part of history...it just isn't that well known...did you know Puerto Rico had a president at one point? His name was Francisco Ramirez Medina...this was in 1868 (not too long ago)...but you won't find dat in most Puerto Rican history books...I'll tell you that much.
Another thing why is that Puerto Ricans from the Island identify themselves as Boricuas? Do they speak Arawak? Are there any Caciques around? Actually are there any Tainos left? Answer me that and I will tell why I am still a Boricua and very much Puerto Rican.
No my friend it is not Nuyoricans that have tarnished the Island reputation. There are not many Nuyoricans in PR but the crime rate in PR is something that is not even seen in the hoods of the South Bronx where many Nuyoricans live.
You may be of Spanish descent but you are still Puerto Rican. And what it means to be Puerto Rican is Taino, African, and European. Our culture does not exist without any one of these. It's great that you are proud of who you are, as am I. You presented no historical facts, the video above is an historical fact, as are the census data and public records for Puerto Rico, which contradict the "opinions" you have stated here on youtube.
It is pretty hard to believe dat they could make it across in canoes...but then again, its not the size of the ship dat counts..look at the Titanic..they said it was unsinkable and look what happened..plus..there were probably hundreds of afrians dat died in dem long journeys and probably only a hand few made it...but like I said..look up those books I told you..there's many more out there I just can't remember the names right now.
Yeah you right but I still think there is a important Taino contribution in the Puerto Rican gene pool especially amongst the people in the mountainous region of the island. The West African contribution is stronger amongst the people with in the Urban and coastal areas. But there was a DNA study done on the people of Cayey and 40% of the participants had a female African ancestor so there is a history of Africans escaping in to the hills and building alliances with the Tainos.
What are you talking about. There are rock groups in Cuba we just dont see them because Cubans do not travel much to PR under the current Communist government. Cubans embrace all types of music just like PR. You'll be surprised with the music played in Cuba its not only Rumba. There are many artist that play Western European classical music and write it as well.
Yeah I'm sure there is a definate margin of error like with any statistic or census conducted through out history. What ever the case In Puerto Rico about 40% - 50% of the population has African ancestry that mixed with European and Taino elements makes us the most diverse people on the planet. We all could agree that mixture of these people is a good thing and an example of racial harmony for all humanity.
If Puerto Ricans were majority Mestizo they would look very similar in phenotype, appearance to Mexicans, Guatemalans, etc. You ususally can tell a boricua from a Mexican. Puerto Ricans are definitely a mostly Spanish-African mix.
If you want to real footage on Bomba and Plena check out this dude on my friends list the name is bosefod. That guy has footage that you wont see anywhere. CF
Actually there are blacks in Mexico,in Acapulco,costa chica, there is a black population there but the government try to ignore that and many mexicans don't even know it themselves,my neighbor and good friend is black/mexican.
For example, some one having a Black great grand mother with and white looking great grandfather and a Taino looking grand father with a European looking grandmother but comes out looking white because the white gene was dominant in their ancestry.
The rythm is obviously african but the genre bomba is puertorican.The same way romance languages had its roots in latin, bomba roots are african but the way it is danced makes it unique to Puerto Rico. You are not going to find bomba as we know it in Puerto Rico nowhere in Africa. Music that sounds like it, yes. But Puerto Rican Bomba, no. You wont find plena either. Again caribbean music from Guadalupe, Martinique, Cuba that sounds like it, yes. But it's not plena.
Hell yeah I am with you 120% the African element of the Puerto Rican cultural identity has been key to who and what Boricuas are with out it shit well that's like Arroz and Pollo with no sofrito or adobo.lol I believe the African contribution to the Puerto Rican genepool is least 40% highest 50-60%. I mean cmon "Y tu aguela y donde estas?". Or "sin no tiene dinga tiena Mandinka?". There needs to be a change where all Boris on the island are included. Why are there more white politician in PR?
So why call us Nuyoricans obviously you know Nuyorican was a term given to Puerto Ricans who moved to NYC. You must acknowledge something Puerto Rican about us to even refer us with that term.
Instead of asking your self why is it that Americans of Puerto Rican decent still claim to be Puerto Rican? Why don't you ask your self how is that Puerto Rican culture is so powerful that 2nd and 3rd generations of Puerto Rican Americans still proclaim themselves to be Boricua though they don't speak the Spanish language and live out of the island all together? Now thats a question.
in response to rhibac... i find it ironic how many dominican whom are mullattoes especially in ny.. are ignorant to the fact that they do share african roots.. i find the pride part too when considering the garifuna culture in in central america..whom still speak there dialects from africa aside from spanish
Like Lares but let me tell you something my grand parents come from Lares. Actually my great grand mother Rosa Mendez went to school with Lolita Lebron who also hails from Lares. My great grand father Anistacio was of Taino origin straight trigueno and he was from Lares to. Not every one from Lares is white.
I see just as many eurocentric people here on youtube who are quick to jump on you if you say PR's population is mixed...which is not an afrocentric theory..afrocentric would be to say PR is completely black...we know we have a mxied population...again, I said mixed..not mostly black, not mostly white...you on the other hand say it is mostly white or european...but you don't think that is being eurocentric, because you see it as fact..not just a theory..when in reality its an opinion.
Yo peep this dude: Rogelio Figueroa he has a different kind of vision for PR he is like a Boricua Barak Obama. Peep his bio kid he seems to reflect the kind of change the Island needs. CF
@loveangel71 I know everything about carlos ponce not just because we used to be next doors neighbors.,But I wanted to say that his parents are cuban. Like Joaquin Phoenix born in Puerto Rico, but not his parents.. Beside that I agreed with you.
there is alot of african history in mexico just go back and reserch it and you will finde it.Some of the stone heads over there were of african culture
Yes. How did Puerto Rico suddenly become majority white over only 2 or 3 generations? The Spanish families arrived in PR mostly over the 18th centuries. There was no major wave of European immigration to PR in the 19th century.
no problem go to the website for the United States library of congress. Look for Puerto Rico Dawn of civilization. There it will give the facts about Puerto Rico demographics during the US military invasion.
@chsn09 What the HELL are you talking about? Everyone is mixed. That's what makes us Puerto Rican. Some may look more "negritos" (in PR that's not a bad word" than others but NOBODY is pure!"
Why do you consider Residente "Cafre"? Because he is culturally incompatible with your perception on what a Boricua should be? So these people in the video above are they less of a human being because they practice certain traditions that dont fit your description of Boricua folklore?
I agree 100%, but i still think sometimes the African portion is undermined. There are no pure Tainos left but there genes are still present, no doubt. DNA is informative but very tricky. However, saying Puerto Rico 80% white is definitely damn a lie, hermano.
Seeing being pro black really doesnt apply to people of mixed heritage we in Puerto Rico are, shall I dare to say it, pro human. You stay stuck on the black pride thing while the rest of humanity takes pride in the accomplishments of all mankind.
@eurodollarpeso yes, PR should love there african ancestry. They way you posted your comment, you make it seem as if they should forget about there tru root witch is native taino. No, not all tainos were wipe out. ive seen alot of native lookin PR, have you seen miguel cotto mom? she looks 100% native..so i respectfully disagree, there is youtube vid around here were they did genetic testing were there was still significant native blood in PR...
Rhibac who said anything about the first slaves being imported to PR? You bugging the first colony was in Hispaniola current day Dominican Republic but PR was also one of the first to be colonized by the Spaniards and there were free Africans or blacks who also subjigated the Native Taino. Read about Juan Garrido. Regardless there were different African tribes brought to PR during the 400 yrs of slavery 1st the Wolof, 2nd the Mandinka, 3rd Probably Congo and 4th the Yoruba.Though there r others
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Love Bomba... Reminds me so much of Punta from Belize, Honduras and Guatemala! Ay Mama Africa!
I can't wait to visit my family again. I love my father's island...
He told me about bomba, but I've never actually seen it for myself. It's cool.
Me llegan lagrimas a los ojos cuando veo mi cultura en su naturaleza tan bella. Me haces mucho falta Puerto Rico. Siempre te tengo en mi corazon.
The people in this video look healthy and happy and that's what life is all about.
My parents used to take me to Rio Piedras, Lares and Yauco to listen and watch the Bomba. These rhythms bring back a lot of good memories.
Hola, estoy haciendo una investigación etnomusicóloga sobre el nexo de la música afrolatinoamericana (bomba, guaguancó, batucada, samba, festejo, landó, mapalé, cumbia, bomba ecuatoriana, etc.) y quisiera saber cuales eran los instrumentos oriundos con los que se tocaba la bomba boricua. Gracias y sigamos trabajando para unir nuestro pueblo.
Afroecuadorian from Valle del Chota (Ecuador soccer team most of them are from there) , they have a rithm called BOMBA .
This area is located in the high lands ,they escaped from slavery in the low lands sugarcane plantations and lives there since 16 century , their BOMBA is so pure .
Check BOMBA VALLE DEL CHOTA
So on the Western side of the island Bomba has a distinct sound. Now southern coastal towns like Ponce, Guayama and others have there own type of Bomba which it seems is more female oriented than the north or the west. For example, in southern bomba traditions a woman is the lead vocalist and is acompanied by a call response chorus group of women. Women are also the dancers. The males play percussion barriles, the fua or cuas and maracas.
They look like they're having the time of their lives, and that's what life should be about, having enjoyment.
I'm glad you read it.Depending on population history, mtDNA may not be a good indicator of the genetic contribution of a historical population to a current one. While this scenario is an exageration of the history of Puerto Rico, it is useful for understanding why the fact that 60 % of Puerto Ricans have native mt DNA does not mean that Puerto Ricans are on average 60%, or even 30%, native.
I agree, population growth in Puerto Rico has slowed over the past years, even compared to the neighboring islands. As for the native population, there are no pure Tainos left, although thier genes are still present.
Muchas Gracias para este documentario.
Aché
Philippe desde Francia :)
that beat is for real, moves your soul
THE BIRTH OF REGGAETON!!!! DIOS BENDIGA A LOS AFRO-BORICUAS Y A TODO PUERTORRO!!!! VAYA!
Cadaves que veo este video, me orgullese naser en mi isla del encanto Puerto Rico.
Un abrazo pa´mis hermano de Loiza.Un Hermano colombiano
I read alot while I put 50 in da clip and I hear alot of folkloric Puerto Roc music weather Criollo of the mountainous region or African based from the coastal areas.
Last year they also found Mayan ruins in Ponce..can you believe that? they covered up that story as well.
Ferre came many years after Barbosa and Ferre's father was not even from PR he was French who worked on the Panama Canal and than settled in Cuba eventually coming to PR.
Africa,Africa!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Rhibac another thing I find odd is that there is no place like Loiza in the United States. Out of every place in the United States name me a maroon community that has existed for hundred years like the palenques in Pinones of Puerto Rico. Matter of fact name me one African American musical form by its African name. In PR we have Bomba really known as Ghombe with rythmic variations like guembe, cocobaile, holamula, sica, yuba and others.
Great to see my peoples in Loiza!!!
You are right Bomba is similar in rythm and instrumentation to Gwak from Guadalupe and folkloric music from Martinique. Bomba is also similar in sound to Tumba Francesca from Western Cuba of Hatian origin. It looks like Bomba or Mgombe may have been strongly influenced by the French caribbean. Bomba from towns on the West Coast of PR like Mayaguez (which is 36% black for those who not aware)have strong Afro French caribbean influence.
me encanta Loiza & sus raíces.... SOY BORICUA !!
Ditto. Im fully puerto rican. My mom has auburn hair (when she was a child she was a red head) with freckles and everying. In her side of the family she has family with red hair, green eyes and freckles (perhaps irish or scotting people went to puerto rico? Who knows.). But she also has these native american high cheek bones and olive skin. Thats her taino side. While my dad is mostly african.
Damn we sure are one heck of a mix eh? lol.
me encanta Loiza & sus raices.... SOY BORICUA !!
The bomba rythmic patterns of the southern coast are also very distinct compared to the north or west. The music there is strongly influenced by the English caribbean like Barbados or Jamaica. The Bomba rythm called Yuba are directly from the town of Mayaguez or the west and it sounds more like Palo from Congo in nature.
Que bonito es nuestra cultura Negra!
@harupal1 Me interesa mucho sus comentarios sobre Loiza. Me gustaria aprender mas. Llegaste a participar en bailes de Bombas en tiempos atras? En el 2006 tuve la oportunidad de conocer a Chichito y los Osorios. Me hubiera gustado presenciar antiguos bailes de Bomba.
El gran yito y martillo treme do tomadores de bomba en Loiza
You are right but only in part. The study you quote is of the maternal lines and the numbers are as you said. The paternal lines however show that 70% is European, 25% African and 5% Ameridian. So it's much more of a mix then most people thought. That is the beauty of our people.
You though know that this test shows that roughly 50% of the Puerto Rican population has a African ancestor but only 20% are visibly afro centric. Off course 30% of that 50% are definately mixed with indigenous and European elements.
@ConcepcionPR most of you ancestors are Yoruba and igbo from Nigeria. and then a lesser amount are Bantu from Congo.
La bomba y la plena son dos ritmos diferentes.
Esto si es bomba de verdad se puede comparar con los bailes Africanos del Oeste todavia
mejores tiempos
Do you support statehood for Puerto Rico?
Jose Celso Barbosa (July 27, 1857 -- September 21, 1921)
Luis Ferre (February 17, 1904 -- October 21, 2003)
who influence who?
Than who was Carlos Barbosa?
VIVA Puerto Rico!
donde puedo conseguir el documental completo?
this is so cute!
Let me ask you a question what are the differences between Nuyoricans and Puerto Ricans? I need to hear this. Please choose your words carefully.
Spot on.
@BD76ERS I too get goosebumps, you almost just wanna get up and dance too
That is so true, But people have a misconcerption that all Puerto Ricans look like Marc Anthony and J-Lo when thats not always the case, just take a look at the video.
More than just 3 races, we all know about the Spanish, African and Taino, we learn that in school, but what books rarely mention is the fact that we also had thousands of immigrants from China, India, France and plenty Syrians...and they all mixed with the 3 races you speak of, creating a universe of ethnicities in our little island...so not all Puerto Ricans have just the "3 races" and "Puerto Rican" is a nationality, not a race...we say "la raza boricua" but in reality, its "las razas". MANY.
Now Bomba from Loiza on the north east coast has more of an authentic west African character than the western or southern coast though there may be influences from the Danish caribbean.
Where did you get these stats from?
@harupal1 Interesante. Un amigo mio me conto una vez que hubo una colonia de Guayameros que se establecieron en Loiza y que por eso existe la cancion que se canta en Loiza "Guayamero yo soy de Guayama, soy soy soy de Guayama".
Nice
Its one thing to be black such as African Americans are black by complexion but its another thing to take pride in your African roots from a cultural perspective. Unfortunately, because blacks in the United States were stripped of their African identity they do not have the rich African traditions which still live on in the Hispanic Caribbean. The way we express our selves, our foods and our music is something directly related to West/Central Africa Congo/Yoruba to be exact.
I know people who live in Puerto Rico who are only 3rd or 4th generation Puerto Rican who are pure, they haven't been in Puerto Rico 400 years to mix and mingle like the spaniards, africans and tainos did originally...and they aren't any "less" puerto rican just cause they are 3rd generation...once again, "puerto rican" is a nationality....whoever is born in PR is a puerto rican, there's areas where you'll see pure chinese people who were born in PR as well as their parents and grandparents.
@harupal1 Muy interesante! Me imagino que eso explicaria la coneccion del Apellido Lind en la area sur y en Loiza.
Regardless of what you've stated PR, Cuba and the Dominican Republic have a shared history outside of the realm of the United States of America, Mexico or Brazil. We (Caribbean hispanics) were the first colonies established by the Europeans. Slavery in Puerto Rico goes back since 1500 - March 22 1873. The second slave revolt that took place in the new world was in PR by slaves of the Wolof tribe way before there was a Brazil, Mexico or USA.
Yeah but what she really means is that Bomba is African based. Yeah it is African music transplanted in the Caribbean but it is still African and specifically Congolese or Ghana rythms in origin. CF
Most my Puerto Rican family is black, but this stupid because we are all Puerto Rican!! Puerto Rican Pride!! Puerto Rican Independence!!
If in fact the Mayans were well established in PR...I'd say there's a huge chunk of missing history in the books..and this would put a whole bunch of other stuff in question too.
Did I say there weren't any? But people always talk about how Puerto Ricans are a mix of "3 races" but they completely forget about the thousands of immigrants from all parts of the world that settled in Puerto Rico...read my comment properly before replying because I think you missed the whole point I was making.
Unlike towns on the south or the west, the town of Loiza was isolated from the rest of PR for quite some time. With no external inluences and not much intermingling of races between African, Taino and European (like the rest of Puerto Rico). I think these factors may be the reason that Loiza is one of the only towns in Puerto Rico that remained black in demographic.
I am really white puertorrican (jincha), and like all boricua I can't just stand when I hear this music. People from other places can't understand how blended we all are, and that we don't see color as a part of our culture. I have family from Venezuala and even for them it's kinda hard beacause they still see themselves like "my family are from Spain or my ancestors are Italian", And they kinda get ofended when I tell them I'm sorry but you look Venezualan to me.
Carolina, San Juan, Canovanas, Loiza, Ponce, Guayama, Mayaguez... nada mas en esos pueblos hay negros y mulatos que ni botandolos se acaban.
I know it seems impossible..and again, I wasn't there to witness this...I'm just forwarding information I have read in books...there's a lot of infomration out there in books that might surprise you...its part of history...it just isn't that well known...did you know Puerto Rico had a president at one point? His name was Francisco Ramirez Medina...this was in 1868 (not too long ago)...but you won't find dat in most Puerto Rican history books...I'll tell you that much.
I am a witch and I approve of this! )0(
Another thing why is that Puerto Ricans from the Island identify themselves as Boricuas? Do they speak Arawak? Are there any Caciques around? Actually are there any Tainos left? Answer me that and I will tell why I am still a Boricua and very much Puerto Rican.
No my friend it is not Nuyoricans that have tarnished the Island reputation. There are not many Nuyoricans in PR but the crime rate in PR is something that is not even seen in the hoods of the South Bronx where many Nuyoricans live.
You may be of Spanish descent but you are still Puerto Rican. And what it means to be Puerto Rican is Taino, African, and European. Our culture does not exist without any one of these. It's great that you are proud of who you are, as am I. You presented no historical facts, the video above is an historical fact, as are the census data and public records for Puerto Rico, which contradict the "opinions" you have stated here on youtube.
It is pretty hard to believe dat they could make it across in canoes...but then again, its not the size of the ship dat counts..look at the Titanic..they said it was unsinkable and look what happened..plus..there were probably hundreds of afrians dat died in dem long journeys and probably only a hand few made it...but like I said..look up those books I told you..there's many more out there I just can't remember the names right now.
Yeah you right but I still think there is a important Taino contribution in the Puerto Rican gene pool especially amongst the people in the mountainous region of the island. The West African contribution is stronger amongst the people with in the Urban and coastal areas. But there was a DNA study done on the people of Cayey and 40% of the participants had a female African ancestor so there is a history of Africans escaping in to the hills and building alliances with the Tainos.
What are you talking about. There are rock groups in Cuba we just dont see them because Cubans do not travel much to PR under the current Communist government. Cubans embrace all types of music just like PR. You'll be surprised with the music played in Cuba its not only Rumba. There are many artist that play Western European classical music and write it as well.
Yeah I'm sure there is a definate margin of error like with any statistic or census conducted through out history. What ever the case In Puerto Rico about 40% - 50% of the population has African ancestry that mixed with European and Taino elements makes us the most diverse people on the planet. We all could agree that mixture of these people is a good thing and an example of racial harmony for all humanity.
Wait Canito are you not an advocate for the Statehood of Puerto Rico?
If Puerto Ricans were majority Mestizo they would look very similar in phenotype, appearance to Mexicans, Guatemalans, etc. You ususally can tell a boricua from a Mexican. Puerto Ricans are definitely a mostly Spanish-African mix.
Phoenicians are middle eastern not african and being in Mexico 1000 years before the aztecs lol where do you get this stuff
Actually the man's name was Dr. José Celso Barbosa who was the founder of the party advocating state hood for Puerto Rico. hahahahahaha
If you want to real footage on Bomba and Plena check out this dude on my friends list the name is bosefod. That guy has footage that you wont see anywhere. CF
he didnt say all but enough.
Actually there are blacks in Mexico,in Acapulco,costa chica, there is a black population there but the government try to ignore that and many mexicans don't even know it themselves,my neighbor and good friend is black/mexican.
For example, some one having a Black great grand mother with and white looking great grandfather and a Taino looking grand father with a European looking grandmother but comes out looking white because the white gene was dominant in their ancestry.
The rythm is obviously african but the genre bomba is puertorican.The same way romance languages had its roots in latin, bomba roots are african but the way it is danced makes it unique to Puerto Rico. You are not going to find bomba as we know it in Puerto Rico nowhere in Africa. Music that sounds like it, yes. But Puerto Rican Bomba, no. You wont find plena either. Again caribbean music from Guadalupe, Martinique, Cuba that sounds like it, yes. But it's not plena.
Hell yeah I am with you 120% the African element of the Puerto Rican cultural identity has been key to who and what Boricuas are with out it shit well that's like Arroz and Pollo with no sofrito or adobo.lol I believe the African contribution to the Puerto Rican genepool is least 40% highest 50-60%. I mean cmon "Y tu aguela y donde estas?". Or "sin no tiene dinga tiena Mandinka?". There needs to be a change where all Boris on the island are included. Why are there more white politician in PR?
So why call us Nuyoricans obviously you know Nuyorican was a term given to Puerto Ricans who moved to NYC. You must acknowledge something Puerto Rican about us to even refer us with that term.
Instead of asking your self why is it that Americans of Puerto Rican decent still claim to be Puerto Rican? Why don't you ask your self how is that Puerto Rican culture is so powerful that 2nd and 3rd generations of Puerto Rican Americans still proclaim themselves to be Boricua though they don't speak the Spanish language and live out of the island all together? Now thats a question.
in response to rhibac... i find it ironic how many dominican whom are mullattoes especially in ny.. are ignorant to the fact that they do share african roots.. i find the pride part too when considering the garifuna culture in in central america..whom still speak there dialects from africa aside from spanish
Like Lares but let me tell you something my grand parents come from Lares. Actually my great grand mother Rosa Mendez went to school with Lolita Lebron who also hails from Lares. My great grand father Anistacio was of Taino origin straight trigueno and he was from Lares to. Not every one from Lares is white.
I see just as many eurocentric people here on youtube who are quick to jump on you if you say PR's population is mixed...which is not an afrocentric theory..afrocentric would be to say PR is completely black...we know we have a mxied population...again, I said mixed..not mostly black, not mostly white...you on the other hand say it is mostly white or european...but you don't think that is being eurocentric, because you see it as fact..not just a theory..when in reality its an opinion.
Yo peep this dude: Rogelio Figueroa he has a different kind of vision for PR he is like a Boricua Barak Obama. Peep his bio kid he seems to reflect the kind of change the Island needs. CF
@loveangel71 I know everything about carlos ponce not just because we used to be next doors neighbors.,But I wanted to say that his parents are cuban. Like Joaquin Phoenix born in Puerto Rico, but not his parents.. Beside that I agreed with you.
there is alot of african history in mexico just go back and reserch it and you will finde it.Some of the stone heads over there were of african culture
crei que era el monoloro
Yes. How did Puerto Rico suddenly become majority white over only 2 or 3 generations? The Spanish families arrived in PR mostly over the 18th centuries. There was no major wave of European immigration to PR in the 19th
century.
no problem go to the website for the United States library of congress. Look for Puerto Rico Dawn of civilization. There it will give the facts about Puerto Rico demographics during the US military invasion.
@chsn09
What the HELL are you talking about? Everyone is mixed. That's what makes us Puerto Rican. Some may look more "negritos" (in PR that's not a bad word" than others but NOBODY is pure!"
Was Carlos Barbosa a white man?
Why do you consider Residente "Cafre"? Because he is culturally incompatible with your perception on what a Boricua should be? So these people in the video above are they less of a human being because they practice certain traditions that dont fit your description of Boricua folklore?
I agree 100%, but i still think sometimes the African portion is undermined. There are no pure Tainos left but there genes are still present, no doubt. DNA is informative but very tricky. However, saying Puerto Rico 80% white is definitely damn a lie, hermano.
Seeing being pro black really doesnt apply to people of mixed heritage we in Puerto Rico are, shall I dare to say it, pro human. You stay stuck on the black pride thing while the rest of humanity takes pride in the accomplishments of all mankind.
@eurodollarpeso yes, PR should love there african ancestry. They way you posted your comment, you make it seem as if they should forget about there tru root witch is native taino. No, not all tainos were wipe out. ive seen alot of native lookin PR, have you seen miguel cotto mom? she looks 100% native..so i respectfully disagree, there is youtube vid around here were they did genetic testing were there was still significant native blood in PR...
Rhibac who said anything about the first slaves being imported to PR? You bugging the first colony was in Hispaniola current day Dominican Republic but PR was also one of the first to be colonized by the Spaniards and there were free Africans or blacks who also subjigated the Native Taino. Read about Juan Garrido. Regardless there were different African tribes brought to PR during the 400 yrs of slavery 1st the Wolof, 2nd the Mandinka, 3rd Probably Congo and 4th the Yoruba.Though there r others
and look up "The Politics of Taino Revivalism"