Juuni Taisen is a recreation of the old Zodiac Race Myth. Anyone who knows about the Zodiac Race would already know what would happen in the anime. The anime is more about knowing about the characters and letting yourself into the world.
Just binged the show and really enjoyed it I can't believe how lowly rated it is. It's all about the characters yet everybody shat on it for having a predictable plot it's like holy crap how dumb can you be like even in America we learn about the Chinese Zodiac in Elementary School no duh they gave away the kill order that's not what the show was about. It's a shame, the show was far from perfect but it was still really enjoyable.
Never learned about the Chinese Zodiac in school, so didn't know that they were giving the death order away during the credits. Still liked it just fine,
Juuni taisen is good. at this point, episode 10, you get to understand that it's basically a character study. much like the monogatariv series (not as much, but you can see it), the dialogues are very meticulously crafted and as you pay more and more attention, you get to see how each line of dialogue really syncs up with the kind of character is speaking. For example, somone like boar on ep 1 is so overconfident, her thoughts are very detailed expectations on how her fight with rabbit would end, in almost a genius-like way, even though she got humiliated and died in a very pathetic way. Spoilers I guess on the other hand, on episode 10, we get to see that ox, the genius of slaughter,has a very rudimetal way of thinking, very childish like and it really sounds like a stupid kid talking, very one dimensional. Especially when talking about battle. What this is, imo is a character study in which all the characters present in the game are victim of situational irony aimed to send a really nihilistic message, especially considering the fact that the last man standing will be rat, the most millenial-like character and most nihilistic as far as we've seen. everyone dies in a way that either goes against all they stand for (boar-pride-died shamefully, for example) or that goes against all they have been doing until then (sheep-creating a plan to make a mess by killing a bunch of weak ones, trying to at least have his last moments mean something- got killed by tiger, one of the warriors he considered weakest, before he could accomplish anything). by already knowing how everyone is gonna die, it allows us to focus more on what the character is and how he dies, so that we pay more attention not to the fact that he is dead, but to the meaning behind all that happens. It reminds me in a way of shonen manga/anime. We all know that Luffy will find the One Piece or that Naruto will be hokage, they're the main characters, it's expected that they succeed. This way we can focus on the journey and on the how.
Jonathan Giovannacci It's not a good character study tho Like showing a backstory to get the audience to at the last minute sympathize with a character is just lazy writing and is something I've criticized the Walking Dead for doing The story would've objectively been better if they had a set of characters to focus and develop throughout the course of the stories and seeing how characters play off of other characters and seeing relationships change and maybe some character growth But as it stands now it's fucking lazy writing that fails to make the audience care characters who only show their personality through their half assed self contained backstory
MrKiron12 while what you say is true, it would have totally changed the structure of the story in which each episode is focusing on 1 single character. The story itself is victim of its own premise: the time limit implies that unless they want to pull off a planet namek, they had a limited amount of time to develop each of the 12 characters, therefore 1 per episode. This time limit also implies that you don't have enough time to see much character growth or character interactions happening during the current storyline, which means that flashbacks are the only way to show growth from what they were before, to what are now as grown people. It almost seems like you are describing fate/zero when you mention what could make it better, in fact Fate/zero is a better series and one of the most popular anime out there. I'm mot trying to say that juuni taisen is a masterpiece, but it's a good series if you try to look at it from a character growth perspective. Everyone is really interesting and with each backstory, they try to convey a message related to how each character grows up. This series is imo much better than most crap that comes out seasonally.
Anyone calling Juni Taisen a lazy and predictable show missed the point entirely. It's not about some clever planning of who's going to make it in the end. It's a story about people pursuing goals and wishes, struggling with hopelessness in a world where bad things are encouraged to happen because they're profitable. The zodiac, the tournament, that's all beside the point, that's just fluff to keep things interesting. And as for Nezumi, he was the perfect relation character bringing us to the real point of it all. He was the one asking about why we bother having aspirations and goals, as they only lead to disappointment and ending unfulfilled. He was the one who was just surviving (like he pointed out with Horse). All the things he might wish for in the end result in consequences he can't see the answer for and ultimately fail to satisfy the heart or himself. And that's why he chooses to forget the wish entirely. That's when he makes the first heartfelt decision in his life, and why he's so content in the end. Struggling with what to wish for was his very first encounter with adversity, and now he can go on as one of us. So don't dismiss Juni Taisen as lazy, it's an interesting commentary on aspiration versus survival.
Demonic Queen Agreed like...WHERE'S THE SHIPS, I'm not big on ships but I was also expecting it too. There aren't a lot of fan fictions of the anime and sadly like I said before, there aren't a lot of Fanart.
I Know,Right? Hell,Even Gelbooru (A Popular Hentai/Safe Pic Site) Has VERY Few Pics (Not Even A Page Full) And Most Of It Is Not Even Porn.XD This Anime Is,In Every Sense Of The Word A Hidden Gem That So Few People Know About. Not Sure How Many Ships You'd Get Out Of It,Anyway...Not Really A Romance Heavy Series.XD
Fighting Is Kinda The Entire Series,Though. Thing Is,Too That So Few Of Them Are Even Related In Anyway. Like,Dragon And Snake Are Twins (#Twincest) And I Just KNOW That Rabbit Was The Guy That Made Horse Want To Turn His Body Into Armor (He Jumps Like Rabbit And Had The Same Blade) So Not A Whole Lot TO Ship.XD
I was totally clueless and while watching the anime I didn't notice the pattern or the end credit "spoilers". The whole time while watching I kept trying to figure out who was gonna survive and Rat wining was a surprise for me because I thought that it'd be Tiger or Monkey.
@@louisthethurd1299the reason monkey seems like the main character, is because she's the only one that's objectively good and her goal is peace. Everyone else's wish is more self centered. So she easily presumed, almost self consciously that she's a shoe in for atleast the final 3.
I like how most of them got their wish in the end. Chicken got her confidence, Rabbit got his friends, Tiger got Ox to acknowledge her, and Boar got her harem (army of birds devouring her), etc. They all met their end in a way that satisfied their desires.
I know this is 2 years old.. but it's just blatantly, objectively inaccurate... Going off memory, it's been awhile, but didn't Monkey want peace? She didn't get that. Dog/Wolf or w/e wanted his daughter taken care of. He didn't get that. Dragon and snake wanted money, they didn't get that. Goat or sheep or whatever wanted youth and he didn't get that, either. This is all just off the top of my head and I didn't give this more than a minute's worth of thought. To compare being devoured by birds to a harem is also kind of just ridiculous.. If it was somehow stated that it was only MALE birds that were being controlled, I could at least see the loose parallel, but it's not even that.. You're looking to make connections and patterns where there aren't any. The writers did not intend that, whatsoever. Even if I were to overlook Boar and give you that one, as ridiculous as that is, look at how many others don't align with your statement about satiating their desires. Again, it's been so long since I watched this, although I do consider it to be in maybe my top dozen or so anime I've ever watched.. Does Tiger even get the words out to Ox? I vaguely remember her death leaving a sour taste in my mouth and thought it was one of those "things left unsaid" type of scenes, which I'm personally not a fan of. I could be absolutely wrong, though. Or even if she didn't, or he didn't recognize her from what I recall, idk, he may've acknowledged her in some other kind of way. As I said, it's been a really long time. But that being said, i did dig the show. I personally didn't have the Chinese zodiac memorized nor did I watch the outros, so I had no idea the order was pre-ordained, and I personally think it made my viewing experience slightly better for it. I'd heard of the story about the race before but only vaguely remembered it, I was pretty sure Rat won but not absolutely certain, and in the back of my mind I always thought it was possible they may pull the rug and do something entirely different last second as an unexpected twist anyway. But that's just my unique, personal experience and subjective opinion. I'm glad I didn't have the order spoiled for me. Had I, I would've still enjoyed it, but just like 10-15% less maybe. It was exciting to invest in certain characters and see which picks of mine panned out, which ones didn't, or how long they lasted while fleshing out their backstory etc. I know I keep saying this, but it's been prob around 2.5-3yrs since I watched this, but I've prob thought about it once every other month at the least, ever since then. As I said, it's prob in my top dozen shows I've ever watched. Certain scenes stick out in my memory that I find myself just randomly daydreaming or thinking about every once in awhile, so it was cool/neat I got this video recommended to me. To anyone still reading, I hope you're having a rad day, cool random internet stranger dudes. I wish you the best of luck in your future endeavors.
I’ve rewatched all the episodes multiple times and read the novel and I loved the series even with that ending. Though in the novel it didn’t explain or mentioned the wish rat chose. But what got me really really hyped is the upcoming sequel to the novel! Which is titled Juuni Taisen Vs Juuni Taisen.
There's a one shot manga about Nezumi's wishes!! It's called "The One Wish That Must Be Granted, and the Ninety-nine That Can Be Done Without". Sadly, I can't find an official translation to it nor the second light novel :(
...doesn't that make sense? If you don't get it, of course you're going to be vocal about it so your confusion is heard and someone out there can help. I took the show as "here's a bunch of interesting main character types. Ok now say bye." Different, yes, but in the end it was just another one of those not bad, not greats.
It is kind of understandable that western people didn't catch on from the start, because the chinese zodiac story is one not many western people know, but at this point it should be pretty clear that it is based of a story that is known by everyone in asia. Not sure how far detached from reality you have to be to still not get that its course was obvious from the start.
zomfgroflmao1337 ok answer this whats the purpose of this show? If the outcome is already know fine but at least have interesting characters at least have fun back stories at least have good fight scenes this show has shit to offer its just ass this anime could only be saved with suspense and like you guys said the outcome is already know so why watch
hawkeyemihawk getting money lord afro hokage You're still viewing this series as a battle royale. Even if you weren't, you would also be wrong to view this series through standard storytelling conventions. The author isn't attempting to hold his audience's suspense. Hell, he's not even trying to get the audience to empathize with or care about the characters by showing their respective back-stories. He's showing us there back-stories to give us insight into how these characters view themselves and the world around them, how that influences the way they each fight, and, in fact, why they fight in the first place. He's setting all this up so that we can understand, and have a greater appreciation for, the twist or metaphorical punchline at the end. I thought the fact that Juni Taisen was created by the same mangaka behind works like the Monogatari series should have made that somewhat apparent.
hawkeyemihawk getting money lord afro hokage I already stated that the characters themselves are not the main focus of the show. Your inability to wrap your head around that isn't the series' fault, nor the fault of the mangaka. There are dozens of "unconventional" works with instances where characters aren't the primary or even secondary focus, yet the story is still highly regarded. Just because *you* dislike a series doesn't mean that it is objectively bad.
voiceinthewind ok ok ok so let me get straight then the characters are not Focus of the show makes sense there boring the backstories are not the Focus because there boring and fights are not the fous either lol. Shit you junni tisen fans have a lot of exuses for why this show is bad lol ive never seen fans completely defend horrible storytelling shit if you like it fine but dont sit there and act like this show is revolutionary and some how you see more then everyone else does because you don't
Imagine if jjk fans watch Juuni Taisen, it would be chaotic as f they're so strong at coping that they're now lobotomized and writing a strangest peak of fiction writing. This show would be alive with those memes.
a piece of advice from another youtuber if you're interested: don't. do. reviews. there are large review channels with opinions that "matter" and i used to do them too, but they just aren't worth it these days you're good at analysis, so i highly recommend you implement that as your major style video, for example you can start a series called: "No One Gets _____" and explain it in a different light Good Luck
I absolutely adore this anime, it makes you think, Sure the deaths were predictable especially to those who caught on to the whole reverse zodiac thing. I still love to re-watch this anime and Usagi was a freaking genies! The whole anime is genies!
Juuni Taisen was great. Not because it had good fights or good animation or good designs (I still enjoyed them). It was great because of every single character having trouble for being strong and at the same wanting to have a wish even though they are strong and could fullfill everything they wish to have fullfilled. That Nezumi won the tournament and his thoughts about his wish were great too. It was just an all about good show, enjoyed it!
I think it hits in a very interesting way. It climaxes in every way you don't expect, builds character value, explores mature concepts like the tragedy, struggle, selfishness, means to an end , difference /similarities, purpose, righteousness and inevitability (as you've mentioned). I really enjoyed it! Animation was spot on IMO, paced very well and I think, hopeful, even if it's mostly dystopian. enjoying well executed anime, I love it so thank you for making this video! Nail on the head
Yes! Thank you for pointing all this out. I was very frustrated when everyone started calling it a "predictable" anime because it had a definite order they were dying in.
i ADORED this anime, it brought something more than what people are accustomed to and that's where it "falls short" even though it doesn't fall short. ITS LITERALLY G O L D
I am so glad this video exists, I have been thinking the same thing and they are driving me crazy. Can't believe the show only has a 6.7 because of people like this.
I do agree with you. Juuni Taisen is based off the Chinese Zodiac Race and as a Chinese and Battle Royale fan myself, I was pretty hyped for this. But it was a letdown. Let me explain. 1. Characters died without doing shit. 2. Back stories are long and pointless. What's the point of showing us how strong the character is if he is going to die in one shot? 3. Characters are generic. They lack motive. If you guys want a Chinese Zodiac anime better than Juuni Taisen, watch Etotama. Personally, I like that more.
thanks for recommendation, but i sstill LOVE junni taisen...even if they could do much more..i think it's perfect the way it ended hope there will be some fanfictions or more stories on wattpad about anime
I dont mind its predicable and i dont mind the characters die in the order they do...i just hate how most of them die without doing ANYTHING! i mean cmon i dont mind rabbit killing dragon and snake but at least give them SOME chance to shine outside of backstory. if you are ONLY going to have 12 characters then why not give em some chance to shine in the fights they are in? at least with boar they did a clever thing where they showed how she thought the fight would go and as such we got to see some of her current capability's in a fight even if it was all just in her mind...that said i still like the show alot, just wish characters got to do more before dying off.
Joeliono Muglio That's a problem that is actually more a problem that comes from the characters minimal spotlights. Getting a backstory and firing doesn't foster much.
True but some characters dont even get that much, take the dragon and snake...one of them died before we eve knew wtf was going on and all we saw of another was the backstory and him floating above the city.
you only have 12 characters, some are not going to get to shine, it is just something that goes hand in hand with Last man standing types of fights. The only way to show what everybody can do would be to break the flow of the show and in general would have probably made the show too boring.
Thank you very, very much. I binged the show in a day, loved the way they handled the characters, and felt really surprised when I went to see how other people felt about the show. It seems some people just can't enjoy art unless it's obscured with a veil of mystery.
Most media is predictable, unless a show tries to be unpredictable I dont find it a fault that it is. Like you said it can be a strength or neutral aspect of the show and I agree with that. Atleast this show doesn't try to set itself apart and is just a mindless indulgent sort of show.
so let me get this straight, this video was made not to point out what juuni taisen is about, but you complaining about others complaining why they don't get it, and you still don't bother to explain WHY we don't get it and what this is about? Hm, seems legit
wtf jyy Well, its cause actually explaining it properly will involve spoiling the series. I'm a fan which came from the novels and I'm honestly looking forward to how people react to the ending If you're willing you could watch till the end to see if u get it i guess But if you still dont then maybe we can explain it to you >~
Hong Shen Ng I just hope it's not gonna end in 'throwing pillow' style like shaman king manga it might end fantastically but I doubt the ending will make up for 6+ ep of boredom
+dbt00tugal, what are you talking about? The true ending of Shaman King manga is one of the best endings of any Shonen manga, and good endings in Shonen manga are rare.
I wouldn’t have minded all the deaths if we got the back story’s when they died not before they died cuz then it was like okay I get it so if they at least saved the backstory’s for later and kept us guessing who would win I honestly wouldn’t have minded
Love this HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA It was never about who is going to win-- Episode 1 was already an indication. In fact, I have to commend the story writers because think about it. Twelve characters. Twelve episodes. They have to somehow expertly fit in backstory, a fight scene and then the very death of the character they highlighted. Certain episodes even had me worried because there were absolutely no deaths in it and I started thinking "Oh man, are they going to be able to squeeze everything in the schedule?" BUT THEY DID. AMAZING. This is some real Chekhov's Gun skill because given the time span, they can't afford to put anything unnecessary in it. Just recently episode 9 came out giving us our usual dose of backstory, although the scenes were slightly switched up from the usual order of how they tackle a character's story. Frankly, we all know who will be standing at the end (unless of course this is all some big PLOY TO LULL US INTO COMPLACENCY AND THEN WOW PLOT TWIST) but perhaps what is keeping us watching is the one question that the whole writing team seems to be wrapping in a blanket and hiding in a cooler of the basement-- What's the deal with the war in general? Who made it? How far does the reach of the wish extend? In Episode 1 when Monkey attempted a peaceful resolution, what would her game plan have been? I also vaguely recall someone asking (perhaps sarcastically), if she would simply use the wish to bring them all back to life-- Well we've seen Rabbit and his merry band of (undead) friends, so we know that Juuni Taisen doesn't just stretch science, it down right snaps its spine in half. Let's see, let's see. So far it has made a lot of social commentary on the business of war, along with some philosophical probing regarding the festering nature of humanity (and its cheapness), so let's sit tight and wait for what the concluding 'statement' of this story is.
Sara N. Yess, it seems not many others recognize this as the philosophical and psychological treatise [on war, the different takes on it, and which perspective comes out on top] that it is! I appreciate your comment.
Sara N. True. Its kinda sad people don't actually think of these things, the possible deeper meaning behind everything. Seeing the backstories of each warrior, the brutal training they each face. Makes you wonder how much winning the Zodiac would mean not only to the clans they belong to. But the world. And also we don't know much about either the Rabbit or Rat. Where have they come from ? Or who drove them to join the war in the first place? So many questions, yet little answers....
I found monkey's character to be terrifying. There is no more dangerous people than those who blindly convinced their cause are the absolute justice and righteous
I like the idea that The Rat has the ability to see all possible futures and just completes the best outcome. And we the viewer know the death order and now just complete to that outcome.
Grex: SUSPENSE AND SURPRISING DEATHS ARE NOT THE POINT OF THIS SERIES! -so, in your opinion, whats the point...? Grex: thanks for watching! have a great day! and leave any reasonable feedback in the comments!... -SON OF A-
I gotta say, the ending just droned on and fell flat. I was hoping the wish would have a more interesting impact on the story. Still... I kinda enjoyed watching it. Didn't read too much into their order of deaths, was disapointed when my picks got offed... But it was an... Interesting run.
First off, I agree. I mean it fit for his character but I was kinda pissed he didn't wish back monkey after she helped him stay alive through out the show! Secondly, You just broke the cardinal rule of television/Streaming... ALWAYS GIVE A WARNING BEFORE SPOILING THE SHOW!!!
+pecu ahhh that makes perfect sense...there would be no way for him to get the perfect wish he wanted with so many variables so he had to wish to forget about the wish...i can accept that
but we all know how all the fights are gonna happen...oneshot them in 4 seconds. the story is boring and the fights are boring. i don't see anything good about it
Death flags were shown in the first chapter, wich is a BIG plus to the series XD Its SOOOOOOO full of fucked up characters and methods and idiotic deaths, love it! Embracing predictability, i really like that method!
KoroProductions the death order following the zodiac, this death order being shown in both the opening and ending and the fact that the episode titles literally spoil the episode ahead haha, cutting a chicken with a beef cleaver, like they have no intent on hiding it
Wouldn't call the predictability a draw of the show. It's more like a declaration that trying to guess who lives and dies is not the point. (Though I'm all for a surprise twist that throws everyone off.)
I guessed it would be rat in the first episode (after Boar died), not because I knew the order or saw the credits (I didn't lol), but because when she died, I realized that she had pointed out Rat and Monkey specifically. She didn't have a connection with Rat, but she said he was familiar. Why emphasize him if he wasn't important. Despite the fact that my guess was correct, I thoroughly enjoyed the show. I loved the characterization, the music, and the art. I was so freaking hyped for it. This really is a must watch, because the way it's handled is amazing.
Honestly tell you the truth I started watching it maybe a couple of weeks or month ago and I stand by your opinions I agree with everything you just said I personally enjoy the anime art style at all I also personally think this is quite unique in its own way ^w^
There's something I really like about junni taisen. I think it's the visceral way in which awesome characters get disposed off and it adds realism in a way instead of that character always coming back stronger every single time.
The only problem with the series for me was rabbits powers were all over the place and contradicted itself over and over From my understanding, he could control the corpses of people he killed (not by other corpses already under his control ie, monkey holding down ox so rabbit could reform) but he was able to control chicken even though ox killed her He also shouldn’t have been able to control his own corpse because even though he bit his tongue he was still killed by ox and tiger
I think the point was the way the deaths happened and what part of the character persona that we see in their back story contributed to it, like how snakes cockyness and relance on his brother made make a opening for rabbit
BLESS THIS VIDEO! Like I have no clue about why this anime is so poorly rated. It was never about the Battle Royale in the first place. More so it was a character driven story giving themes on pragmatism, deception, war and power. Like good lord, this video said everything I wanted to say about this series.
In my opinion, hear me out, is about the butterfly effect,it’s basically irony, the anime. In monkey’s attempt to save as many people as she can she gets snake killed, in tiger’s attempt to survive she kills ox indirectly, etc
I'm so glad you made this video! I was getting so annoyed that the vast majority seems to think that knowing how the series will end ruins it. They're completely missing that the fun part is watching how that outcome is reached, not who wins!
This is random but, I got a black bunny yesterday and I named it Usagi Kuro and every time there was Usagi screentime when I was watching the anime I brought Usagi Kuro out and said "Hey look, it's your brother" Either you are cringing beyond expectations right now, or you're frantically disliking this comment. So, um, sorry...
Not sure if anyone’s pointed this out yet, (I haven’t seen it if they have) but the end result was also “spoiled” in the opening too. Twice durrin the op, Rat is the only combatant colored in while the others are silhouetted.
I get this video is 4 years old now but what rings true is that much of the anime fan base continues to act this way. Everyone is looking for certain scratches to be itched and everyone is looking for creative subversions, but sometimes there's something else going on, sometimes we're watching something completely different, and they just can't understand that. Good video.
Ooo! Yes~for me I unfortunately caught on the order once Ox died and only rat was left. I thought it was recreating the old race where the Rat wins by piggy backing on the Ox~but thissss is even a better observation! Thanks for making this vid!!
I hate making the "it was too subtle" argument, but until seeing this video, I didn't know how hard the show was pushing the killing order. I think that could be playing out a bit better if there were more signs that are in the show than outside of the show. I don't and would think that most don't know the zodiak's order, and I didn't pay much attention to the ending. With the knowledge of how the killing order will go, Rat's actions and overall attitude make more sense, but maybe they could of thrown in a few lines that show he knows if he does. Last thing about the backstory sections, they almost kill the show for me. We spend more than half the show in the past when all I want to see is the interactions between the fighters. I don't hate giving characters a good backstory, but integrate them better into the current events, not stopping the story and smashing to a different plot every episode.
I think they did a sometimes good, sometimes bad job at fitting the backstorys into the story. For example Monkeys Backflash makes total sense because she tells Rat about her past in this scene and so a backflash is appropiate. Otherwise Snakes backstory in the last episode seemed crammed in and boring, because it came out of nowhere and we have not really met both Snake or Dragon in the actual story that much
kadunk322 really? I thought it was obvious based on the zodiac, the ending, even the opening had it where the silhouettes show the order from winner to loser
No matter what man that is the nature of humans. They will always talk until someone clarify it all. Well I guess you tried but it won't completely change the mindset.
Joeliono Muglio how was fate bad though?The only criticism you made was "fake deaths" which is bubu since every single death was well done and meaningful(except for maybe assassin). Of course I'm talking about zero too...you could make a case for meaningless deaths in UBE
If it's embracing inevitability it should do a better job of doing so. The way that show is structured makes you want to follow a specific character because you agree with their view points, sympathize for them or you like their personality; giving a backstory and providing insight into the each of the characters then immediately killing them off isn't the way to do present viewers with a feeling of inevitability it only makes providing an interesting backstory pointless. I'm fine with killing off people's favourite characters as it can create a sense of inevitability and despair but there is literally nothing else in Juuni Taisen when they do that. There is no strategy in the show or when there is a strategy they immediately waffle on it. Since Rat is probably gonna win they should try to involve him differently to make it seem like his winning isn't just an asspull, so that he doesn't win just because he's the final character in Zodiac but they aren't. What is there to enjoy about this show? There is next to no plot aside from the backstories which are made irrelevant by the episode's end and there is no tension in a fight when you no who is going to lose. There is also nobody to root for in this show since any character you find appealing will die and at the same time there is nobody to root against since there is no villain. I guess you're right I don't get this show, I'm fine with a show tries something new as long as it well executed or the concept was worth experimenting with that's not the case with Juuni Taisen.
You pretty much just summed up everything that's wrong with this show. You're trying to defend but you can't think of any reason why it deserves to even be defended. This show really has nothing going for it. episode 12 hasn't come out yet but I doubt it can make up for the 11 weeks of boring.
11 weeks of boring? dunno i didn't watch those episodes, i watched 12 weeks of solid story telling tho. Maybe you just like shows with no path. Just because Juuni Taisen can foreshadow does not make it bad.
I thought that at the end, rat would wish that the whole taisen was actually just a simulated path he was running, and after realizing the wishes suck, he'll flash back to before he entered the taisen by rewinding, and it'd be a race of everybody trying to get revived first. Of course rat is the first to be alives because he never died, the ox gets revived, and so on. Dragon loses the revival race because he was the first to die.
Do tell how spoiling itself and making the whole thing predictable isn't lazy. Maybe thats what they're idea is, but its definitely not a good one. Doing something lazy and admitting to do it, doesn't make it any less lazy. And if it's not supposed to be unpredictable, why would I watch it? Does it have something else to say? some other reason to exist? Oh right... you don't know. But for some nebulous reason you feel compelled to defend it because apparently being lazy is different. It sure is different, but different =/= good.
It makes sense that the characters are killed off in this chronology, since this anime is essentially an in depth adaptation of the original story explaining why the Zodiac have a particular order. Only they aren't having a race, but a battle royal.
Ok sure, the show was made with reverse zodiac in mind, it still sucks dick at doing exactly that. Giving every character exactly 10 minutes of generic backstory filler doesn't make them interesting nor likeable, it just draws out the show until their inevitable death scenes. So far the show just doesn't convey anything. You just see generic characters die in the matters of seconds, there's nothing beyond that, and any semi-interesting plotline (what is monkey's plan?) just gets thrown out and everyone forgets about it. You say that the ending might have a twist, but seriously, it's already been 9 episodes. If 9/12 episodes (assuming the next two are good before the supposed twist in the finale) are pretty bad, then honestly the show as a whole suffers greatly.
I don't wanna sound like a hipster dick here, but you should try to look at the series outside of a conventional storytelling perspective. It's not about the plot, there wasn't any to begin with. It's not about who dies, we already know that. I think this series is more about the characters. If you watch those ''generic backstories'' properly, you'll see that they really flesh out the characters quite well. If you combine that with what they do in the current timeline, you can always map out characters well enough to understand their reason for becoming who they are, their objective, their strengths, weaknesses etc... Now the next think I like to ask myself after seeing their story is: How can all they built up until now in their life crumble to pieces? Will they die as shamefully as they can, or will they be able to feel accomplished after all? will they get a last word or will it be just slaughter? There is a very subdle nihilistic vibe to this series that will definitely become stronger and stronger as we approach the end and as we approach rat's moment, rat being the most nihilistic character in the series as far as we know (rabbit doesn't count, he's a psycho)
Maybe it more about the reasons they are fighting for and why their fighting. Maybe its a cycle and this isn't the first death match. Soooo, what exactly is this all for, besides betting for the rich of course lol.
I wonder, then, if the winner of the competition is actually predestined by which sign's year it is. If that turned out to be the case, bets would have to be placed on something other than the winner, huh?
i should have watched this before the anime because after watching all 12 episodes and then seeing this video it makes me want to rewatch the series now knowing what i should be expecting
My fiancee and I gave this show a 6.5 (I even got him the book for Xmas). We figured out who would win by episode 2. Even knowing who was going to win we still watched it because it intrigued us both. We felt it was definitely rushed, but we recommend it. My one complaint was it never answered my question of, "WHAT THE H3!! IS THAT PSYCHO NIGHMARE FUEL RABBIT'S BACKSTORY!?!? (you'll understand what I mean by nightmare fuel in the second to last episode)
XD my favorite characters are/were 1)Bunny (marry me!) 2)Boar (hell yeah i like her character so much! and yes she dies on first episode, dont really care!) 3)Twins (their backstory was amazing XD ) 4)Monkey (i really respect her)(somehow i feel like she should be 1 but... she doesnt XD ) 5)Ox si a really cool guy, like Rat. I will pair them here, since the rat always tricks the Ox into carry him mounted on its back Actually i kina like everyone but the horse and the goat. I respect the goat protected his grandchild but i dont like he got to ruin Monkey plan. Bu!
Rah bunny is like a box of chocolates. Crazy chocolate. You know he's bad for you but you just gotta have him XD Side note: the twins were my favorite.
First try to do the right thing second do it. You are not angry at the fact you’re not doing the right thing you are angry at the conscious choice you chose not do the right thing. I love this show
This was just a video complaining about other people complaining. You still haven’t sold me on why I should bother watching the show and I wish I hadn’t watched this video because, like juuni taisen, it’s a waste of time.
HotSkull Well that was the point of the video. He's not trying to convince anyone to watch it and neither is he saying it's a good series. He's just saying people are hating on the show for the wrong reasons while missing the point of the show. There are reasons to dislike the show but most people simply talk about the show being predictable.
it would of been cool if they did the back storys first. then, the death battle. and have every try to figure out who will win. ox die first to rabbit first and blindside everyone.
Michael Atkinson did you even watch the video? That wouldn't be cool, that would make it like every other death battle anime which this show is DELIBERATELY trying to go against
I say it worked. Just because something is different from the norm doesn't mean it's inherently bad. Nisio Isin's works hinge on being deliberately left field and unusual to portray his ideas and ideologies on certain cliches and genres most effectively. It's not a traditional show with all the good merits of a regular battle royale show, but then again it shouldn't be judged upon those merits at all because it's not even trying to hit those marks. That's like judging Eva as a traditional mech show, or Madoka Magica as a regular slice of life magical girl show. Generic is safe, but not always good, and Nisio Isin knows this and strays away from it mindfully.
I also saw those signs, even by second episode alone you'll get the idea that the ED shows the order of deaths. Even if many complained, it won't change a thing because this was based from the novel and will just follow that storyline.
Junni Taisen Is anticlimactic and utterly uninteresting. It may not be trying to be fate, but at this point it might have a better chance if it did. (not that i'm saying that it should). Its characters are dull and yet it spends entire episodes showing us their story like we're supposed to care. The order of the deaths doesn't even bother me. The majority of the episodes are just fuckin boring
Simmba Serket I mean I guess it’s opinion but I for one found the backstories really interesting and I genuinely thought that for the most part the whole backstory first then action setup did the show well. I also really liked the characters in general even the bunny since it’s somewhat refreshing to see a villain that is ruthless to the core for no apparent reason than some villain that has some kind of novel reason for all he/she has done.
The problem is, now that we know how preditable the show is, it has nothing going for it. There is no real story and no reason to care about these characers, since we don't know enough about them until they are about to die, at which point it's too late to get invested. Fights started strong, but are pretty meh now and also tensionless because of the predictability. The latest epsiodes had some really awful cuts to boot.
How Would You Possibly Know? If You Don't Think Monkey's Revolve As A Pacifist (Despite Everything She's Seen And Know's Of The World) Is Not Mature,Then You Clearly Have No Idea What Mature IS. Again,If All You Care About Is Mindless Fighting Then Go Watch DBZ. You're Not Psychologically FIT To Understand Something Like Junni Taisen.
It was obvious from the concept that rat will win. The meek inherit and all that. This show is dense with meaning and asks you to think. That's the kinda show it is. Not everyone likes that. It's not about rooting for hero characters at all. Not every show has to deliver the same thing. If you came here hoping for a rip off of a show you watched last season then you should maybe try new things more. The real world is dirty and unfair sometimes and there should be stories that reflect that too. Stories that don't just give you what you want all the time. Just like wars.
You forgot the Rat ability : he could predicts and actually feels and experienced the outcome of every scenarios. In his head, he already died 99 times.
Finally I saw someone talking about this Anime. I'm Japanese and I knew from the death of the boar warrior where were they going, though maybe I expected a plot twist in the middle to break the pattern,but I wasn't deluded. Maybe because I am a rat sign, but other than this I really love this kind of Anime with political and philosophical thought, obviously not directed to kids. And people complaining probably watch only Shonen or fan service anime.
This show was a failure. Some argue it's a "character study" and it could've been if it had bothered to study the characters in any way. The Dog is a violent killer and a pre-school teacher? Well cool I'd love to see how he balances those two lives - oh, guess we're not getting into that. Wow Rabbit is crazy! How did he become like that? I'm so fascinated by him! Too bad, we're not getting a drop of his backstory. Joke's on you. These shows are the worst because you can see how good it could've been. Instead we got half-baked plot pie.
I haven’t looked at the Zodiac order to determine the inevitability because the conflict is somewhat exciting. Because you can determine who’s gonna die - and everyone seems to want to spread light on that because then there’s no expectations and now people are unwilling and doubtful about a story’s ending, nobody really truly understands that this is a Battle Royale in its own way. It may be using the same concept as so many other things, but this is still different. Go Bunny!
No bro... Everybody gets it... . its just that the alternative is boring as hell. A battle royale where theres no twists and maybe some different character development here and there but instead we get a clusterfuck of nobody cares backstories for nobody cares characters because a backstory isn't what makes you attached to a character its growth. and In a backstory we get to see some growth but it feels fake when in the actual royale we don't see any shades of it. Sheep - smart and crafty... spends an entire episode talking about who he should align with... who to watch out for... he has an answer and opinion of EVERYONE.... except tiger. "Tiger is the weakest of the 12 families..." no reasoning... no nothing... which goes against his entire backstory of plans on top of plans on top of plans... The story gimped his backstory just so they could kill him. Then we get to tiger's story.... Literally demon on the battlefield that is well received with battle honors after battle honors including the fact that the tiger family literally owns a dojo to train warriors... SO WHY DID SHEEP SAY THAT SHE'S THE WEAKEST?!?!?!?! Horse literally endures all and almost every form of pain and endurance that is possible both physical and mental in order to "toughen up" but he gets cut by ox a couple of times and all of a sudden afraid of death?!?!?!... was he not "afraid" of death when he was undergoing training in lava and shit. This show is dumb and isn't nisio's best work. :V
(first off spoilers if anyone cares but you shouldn't) I 100% agree with this comment. I literally just gave up watching. The first episode had so much potential but it's all just wasted. Like I can even get on board with a show that embraces it's predicability, when you read/watch Superman or Batman or any super hero, you know how it's gonna end. When you watch any shonen (especially one punch man) you know how it's going to end. Heck, even hunger games is a good example of this, it's a battle Royale where sure you may not know the order but you know the end point. I can accept that to an extent. What I can't accept is a freaking boring story!!! And the flashbacks are ridiculous, they barely tie in or have any baring on the show whatsoever besides making you "feel" for the characters you know are about to die, which is so much better executed when you do it within the setting that we actually came to see! Like tiger and sheep for example. When we get to sheep's episode we get to see him strategize and get excited to see what he's going to do (then there's tons of boring backstory stuff, whatever). Seeing his thought process taught me much more about him as a character, as well as his history than seeing his backstory. And granted, I actually think he has one of the more compelling backstories. Then we get to tiger, who's falling over drunk and sheep is uncharacteristically stupid and misjudges her and gets destroyed. That little sequence of seeing her sober up (sober's probably not the right word lol) was really interesting and showed us that she's more than the show let on. Granted the show was being super cliché and that reveal was super obvious but at least it was interesting. You know what's not interesting...? ALL OF THE BACKSTORIES! THEY'RE LITERALLY SO BORING THAT I CAN'T REMEMBER A SINGLE ONE OF THEM AND I LITERALLY JUST WATCHED ALL OF THEM RIGHT BEFORE I CAME TO THIS RUclips VIDEO!!! And like the fact that the fight scenes are almost all boring and anti-climactic (not due to my knowledge of the results, just due to the choreography) ruins the show for me. Because if I have to sit through the melodrama of a character that I barely care about, at least make their death's captivating. I just think this show is a prime example of wasted potential. It doesn't even do much with the character's zodiac signs besides give them costumes that scream "HEY I'M A CHICKEN!' and make them announce "HEY DID YOU KNOW I'M THE CHICKEN?!" every time they fight like we didn't get it through out thick skulls. Also last note (just because I actually remembered a backstory), even of the backstories that interested me, like chicken lol, or like sheep I guess... the show doesn't deliver with the follow through. Chicken was actually a one of the few that did follow through where as sheep's totally didn't. Chicken is an assassin that will betray anyone and everyone to get whatever she wants and her death (which I don't need to describe since you've already seen it) pays off or at least connects to its theme. A character who didn't care about anyone changes their nature and dies, cementing out distain for Ox, awesome! What did Sheep's death have to do with his backstory? What did Monkey's? I understand not tying it in for Boar as that's supposed to shock the viewer into thinking that she's the main character but after that you have no excuse. I don't care about twists and shock value (even though that's basically what you come to see in a battle Royale with no main character) all I care about is good execution of a story, and that's why I hated and couldn't finish Juuni Taisen.
Kuroi Sora Sheep thought Tiger wasn't worthy because he saw her drowning herself in drinks and because she was completely drunk... I don't understand what's hard to understand about this...
After episode 1, I could already tell what direction the anime was going but by episode 4, I realized there was a pattern and it was the zodiac backwards. Despite knowing this and being able to predict the most likely outcome, I still wouldn’t criticize this anime because I was intrigued how different this anime was and I really want it to be more we’ll known. The anime is basically a recreation of the zodiac story told with different types of themes but they make it interesting because it does give depth on most of the characters and that’s probably what pulled me in so much. I’m shocked that people don’t like it just because it’s predictable but I’m glad there is still some who like it.
at least end the video with
''EVERYBODY, CLAP YOUR HANDS ''
EVERYBODY, CRAP YOUR HANDS!
Take it back now yall
I'm really surprised not even rabbit did it, kinda seems like something he would have enjoyed
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Technically Rat died 200 times but atleast he banged Rabbit.
Okay I'm like two years late ,but *_what!?_*
Imagine Things just as confused as u guys😂😂
Rat only can die 100 times not 200
You got me there.
I guess you're right, oh the sour taste of defeat
😂
Juuni Taisen is a recreation of the old Zodiac Race Myth.
Anyone who knows about the Zodiac Race would already know what would happen in the anime.
The anime is more about knowing about the characters and letting yourself into the world.
YES!
Just binged the show and really enjoyed it I can't believe how lowly rated it is. It's all about the characters yet everybody shat on it for having a predictable plot it's like holy crap how dumb can you be like even in America we learn about the Chinese Zodiac in Elementary School no duh they gave away the kill order that's not what the show was about. It's a shame, the show was far from perfect but it was still really enjoyable.
Never learned about the Chinese Zodiac in school, so didn't know that they were giving the death order away during the credits. Still liked it just fine,
Juuni taisen is good. at this point, episode 10, you get to understand that it's basically a character study. much like the monogatariv series (not as much, but you can see it), the dialogues are very meticulously crafted and as you pay more and more attention, you get to see how each line of dialogue really syncs up with the kind of character is speaking. For example, somone like boar on ep 1 is so overconfident, her thoughts are very detailed expectations on how her fight with rabbit would end, in almost a genius-like way, even though she got humiliated and died in a very pathetic way.
Spoilers I guess
on the other hand, on episode 10, we get to see that ox, the genius of slaughter,has a very rudimetal way of thinking, very childish like and it really sounds like a stupid kid talking, very one dimensional. Especially when talking about battle.
What this is, imo is a character study in which all the characters present in the game are victim of situational irony aimed to send a really nihilistic message, especially considering the fact that the last man standing will be rat, the most millenial-like character and most nihilistic as far as we've seen.
everyone dies in a way that either goes against all they stand for (boar-pride-died shamefully, for example) or that goes against all they have been doing until then (sheep-creating a plan to make a mess by killing a bunch of weak ones, trying to at least have his last moments mean something- got killed by tiger, one of the warriors he considered weakest, before he could accomplish anything).
by already knowing how everyone is gonna die, it allows us to focus more on what the character is and how he dies, so that we pay more attention not to the fact that he is dead, but to the meaning behind all that happens.
It reminds me in a way of shonen manga/anime. We all know that Luffy will find the One Piece or that Naruto will be hokage, they're the main characters, it's expected that they succeed. This way we can focus on the journey and on the how.
You helped me open my eyes to a new way of viewing the series. Now I actually enjoy it looking from the point of view you provided
Thejoshking _111 glad I could help :)
Jonathan Giovannacci It's not a good character study tho
Like showing a backstory to get the audience to at the last minute sympathize with a character is just lazy writing and is something I've criticized the Walking Dead for doing
The story would've objectively been better if they had a set of characters to focus and develop throughout the course of the stories and seeing how characters play off of other characters and seeing relationships change and maybe some character growth
But as it stands now it's fucking lazy writing that fails to make the audience care characters who only show their personality through their half assed self contained backstory
MrKiron12 while what you say is true, it would have totally changed the structure of the story in which each episode is focusing on 1 single character. The story itself is victim of its own premise: the time limit implies that unless they want to pull off a planet namek, they had a limited amount of time to develop each of the 12 characters, therefore 1 per episode. This time limit also implies that you don't have enough time to see much character growth or character interactions happening during the current storyline, which means that flashbacks are the only way to show growth from what they were before, to what are now as grown people.
It almost seems like you are describing fate/zero when you mention what could make it better, in fact Fate/zero is a better series and one of the most popular anime out there.
I'm mot trying to say that juuni taisen is a masterpiece, but it's a good series if you try to look at it from a character growth perspective. Everyone is really interesting and with each backstory, they try to convey a message related to how each character grows up. This series is imo much better than most crap that comes out seasonally.
Jonathan Giovannacci I wouldn't say character growth, not really much of an arc. Everything sort of just happened already, that's it.
I'll give it that this show did something different.
Anyone calling Juni Taisen a lazy and predictable show missed the point entirely. It's not about some clever planning of who's going to make it in the end. It's a story about people pursuing goals and wishes, struggling with hopelessness in a world where bad things are encouraged to happen because they're profitable. The zodiac, the tournament, that's all beside the point, that's just fluff to keep things interesting. And as for Nezumi, he was the perfect relation character bringing us to the real point of it all. He was the one asking about why we bother having aspirations and goals, as they only lead to disappointment and ending unfulfilled. He was the one who was just surviving (like he pointed out with Horse). All the things he might wish for in the end result in consequences he can't see the answer for and ultimately fail to satisfy the heart or himself. And that's why he chooses to forget the wish entirely. That's when he makes the first heartfelt decision in his life, and why he's so content in the end. Struggling with what to wish for was his very first encounter with adversity, and now he can go on as one of us. So don't dismiss Juni Taisen as lazy, it's an interesting commentary on aspiration versus survival.
I was actually expecting this show to actually skyrocket and get a lot of fanart but unfortunately not. .3.
Not Even Any SHIPPING (From What I've Seen). But I'm Kind Of Liking It...It Keeps The Series In A Almost Pure State.
Demonic Queen Agreed like...WHERE'S THE SHIPS, I'm not big on ships but I was also expecting it too.
There aren't a lot of fan fictions of the anime and sadly like I said before, there aren't a lot of Fanart.
I Know,Right? Hell,Even Gelbooru (A Popular Hentai/Safe Pic Site) Has VERY Few Pics (Not Even A Page Full) And Most Of It Is Not Even Porn.XD This Anime Is,In Every Sense Of The Word A Hidden Gem That So Few People Know About. Not Sure How Many Ships You'd Get Out Of It,Anyway...Not Really A Romance Heavy Series.XD
Demonic Queen True, if it didn't have any fighting maybe the fujoshi's or shippers would get their hands on it lol. X3
Fighting Is Kinda The Entire Series,Though. Thing Is,Too That So Few Of Them Are Even Related In Anyway. Like,Dragon And Snake Are Twins (#Twincest) And I Just KNOW That Rabbit Was The Guy That Made Horse Want To Turn His Body Into Armor (He Jumps Like Rabbit And Had The Same Blade) So Not A Whole Lot TO Ship.XD
I was totally clueless and while watching the anime I didn't notice the pattern or the end credit "spoilers". The whole time while watching I kept trying to figure out who was gonna survive and Rat wining was a surprise for me because I thought that it'd be Tiger or Monkey.
Same thoughts, I was just too focused on watching it
Me too I was very confused
The thing that surprised me was monkey dying so early I thought she'd stay for longer but no
Since to me she seemed like the main character
@@louisthethurd1299the reason monkey seems like the main character, is because she's the only one that's objectively good and her goal is peace. Everyone else's wish is more self centered.
So she easily presumed, almost self consciously that she's a shoe in for atleast the final 3.
I like how most of them got their wish in the end.
Chicken got her confidence, Rabbit got his friends, Tiger got Ox to acknowledge her, and Boar got her harem (army of birds devouring her), etc.
They all met their end in a way that satisfied their desires.
Boar wanted a harem of men not birds
@@KlearChristal men of birds or cocks 🤣
@@KlearChristaleah that’s the irony of it
Uhhhh horse?
I know this is 2 years old.. but it's just blatantly, objectively inaccurate... Going off memory, it's been awhile, but didn't Monkey want peace? She didn't get that. Dog/Wolf or w/e wanted his daughter taken care of. He didn't get that. Dragon and snake wanted money, they didn't get that. Goat or sheep or whatever wanted youth and he didn't get that, either.
This is all just off the top of my head and I didn't give this more than a minute's worth of thought. To compare being devoured by birds to a harem is also kind of just ridiculous.. If it was somehow stated that it was only MALE birds that were being controlled, I could at least see the loose parallel, but it's not even that.. You're looking to make connections and patterns where there aren't any. The writers did not intend that, whatsoever.
Even if I were to overlook Boar and give you that one, as ridiculous as that is, look at how many others don't align with your statement about satiating their desires.
Again, it's been so long since I watched this, although I do consider it to be in maybe my top dozen or so anime I've ever watched.. Does Tiger even get the words out to Ox? I vaguely remember her death leaving a sour taste in my mouth and thought it was one of those "things left unsaid" type of scenes, which I'm personally not a fan of. I could be absolutely wrong, though. Or even if she didn't, or he didn't recognize her from what I recall, idk, he may've acknowledged her in some other kind of way. As I said, it's been a really long time. But that being said, i did dig the show.
I personally didn't have the Chinese zodiac memorized nor did I watch the outros, so I had no idea the order was pre-ordained, and I personally think it made my viewing experience slightly better for it. I'd heard of the story about the race before but only vaguely remembered it, I was pretty sure Rat won but not absolutely certain, and in the back of my mind I always thought it was possible they may pull the rug and do something entirely different last second as an unexpected twist anyway. But that's just my unique, personal experience and subjective opinion. I'm glad I didn't have the order spoiled for me. Had I, I would've still enjoyed it, but just like 10-15% less maybe. It was exciting to invest in certain characters and see which picks of mine panned out, which ones didn't, or how long they lasted while fleshing out their backstory etc.
I know I keep saying this, but it's been prob around 2.5-3yrs since I watched this, but I've prob thought about it once every other month at the least, ever since then. As I said, it's prob in my top dozen shows I've ever watched. Certain scenes stick out in my memory that I find myself just randomly daydreaming or thinking about every once in awhile, so it was cool/neat I got this video recommended to me.
To anyone still reading, I hope you're having a rad day, cool random internet stranger dudes. I wish you the best of luck in your future endeavors.
I watched the show for the lingerie wearing rabit man, basically it was just a comedy for me
Everything is a comedy to me
As a example i imagine death as a muppet with a silly voice
FINALLY, YOURE DOING GODS WORK THANK YOU
I've finally found a place where people get it
The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away 😁
I’ve rewatched all the episodes multiple times and read the novel and I loved the series even with that ending. Though in the novel it didn’t explain or mentioned the wish rat chose. But what got me really really hyped is the upcoming sequel to the novel! Which is titled Juuni Taisen Vs Juuni Taisen.
There's a one shot manga about Nezumi's wishes!! It's called "The One Wish That Must Be Granted, and the Ninety-nine That Can Be Done Without". Sadly, I can't find an official translation to it nor the second light novel :(
@@vickyzarate2005 i was searching for the sequel and the 2nd light novel but i got nothing:( i'm dying to read them
I think his wish was to forget all his mistakes in his failed attempts or something like that
I'm super late to this masterpiece but does the novel have the backstory of the rabbit? :'O
@@clinthehouse5182 sadly no
the ones who seem most vocal about it are the ones who don't get it. this stuff is pretty obvious.
the anime feels like a character study.
it is. But everything you see here is leading up to the reveal.
...doesn't that make sense? If you don't get it, of course you're going to be vocal about it so your confusion is heard and someone out there can help. I took the show as "here's a bunch of interesting main character types. Ok now say bye."
Different, yes, but in the end it was just another one of those not bad, not greats.
Amen
It is kind of understandable that western people didn't catch on from the start, because the chinese zodiac story is one not many western people know, but at this point it should be pretty clear that it is based of a story that is known by everyone in asia. Not sure how far detached from reality you have to be to still not get that its course was obvious from the start.
zomfgroflmao1337 ok answer this whats the purpose of this show? If the outcome is already know fine but at least have interesting characters at least have fun back stories at least have good fight scenes this show has shit to offer its just ass this anime could only be saved with suspense and like you guys said the outcome is already know so why watch
hawkeyemihawk getting money lord afro hokage You're still viewing this series as a battle royale. Even if you weren't, you would also be wrong to view this series through standard storytelling conventions. The author isn't attempting to hold his audience's suspense. Hell, he's not even trying to get the audience to empathize with or care about the characters by showing their respective back-stories. He's showing us there back-stories to give us insight into how these characters view themselves and the world around them, how that influences the way they each fight, and, in fact, why they fight in the first place. He's setting all this up so that we can understand, and have a greater appreciation for, the twist or metaphorical punchline at the end.
I thought the fact that Juni Taisen was created by the same mangaka behind works like the Monogatari series should have made that somewhat apparent.
leafshaymin i already got that point this show fails on more than one level than the lack of suspense actually thats the shows least biggest problem
hawkeyemihawk getting money lord afro hokage I already stated that the characters themselves are not the main focus of the show. Your inability to wrap your head around that isn't the series' fault, nor the fault of the mangaka. There are dozens of "unconventional" works with instances where characters aren't the primary or even secondary focus, yet the story is still highly regarded.
Just because *you* dislike a series doesn't mean that it is objectively bad.
voiceinthewind ok ok ok so let me get straight then the characters are not Focus of the show makes sense there boring the backstories are not the Focus because there boring and fights are not the fous either lol. Shit you junni tisen fans have a lot of exuses for why this show is bad lol ive never seen fans completely defend horrible storytelling shit if you like it fine but dont sit there and act like this show is revolutionary and some how you see more then everyone else does because you don't
Imagine if jjk fans watch Juuni Taisen, it would be chaotic as f they're so strong at coping that they're now lobotomized and writing a strangest peak of fiction writing. This show would be alive with those memes.
Where is the rabbit backstory?
G Wallis I was wondering the same thing
He never gets one, it's just implied that he is lonely
Joeliono Muglio honestly I'd love to know his story
No one knows, he didnt even get one in the light novel
@@predatorop999 is the light novel translated?
a piece of advice from another youtuber if you're interested:
don't. do. reviews.
there are large review channels with opinions that "matter" and i used to do them too, but they just aren't worth it these days
you're good at analysis, so i highly recommend you implement that as your major style video, for example you can start a series called: "No One Gets _____" and explain it in a different light
Good Luck
I hear you, and I haven't been oblivious to this. I just need to think about what exactly my goals are for this channel.
Do you even know how to stealth brag?
Nux Taku you just had to mention your a higher RUclipsr smh
You seem like the type of person who sucks the fun out of things.
Who let the goddamn Death Eater on here? Sneaky little bastards are worse than Pixies.
I absolutely adore this anime, it makes you think, Sure the deaths were predictable especially to those who caught on to the whole reverse zodiac thing. I still love to re-watch this anime and Usagi was a freaking genies! The whole anime is genies!
The rabbit is a cheater. What kind of genius? He is a cheat character totally unnecessary
@@Nightmare-kt3tu You do realize they all had powers considered to be cheaty right?
@@vixthevixen6763 lol I’m rewatching the anime in dub I hope season 2 comes out!!
@@data1509 I'm not even sure if there can be a season 2 but I still love it and it was left on a good ending note.
@@vixthevixen6763 yeah I’m kind of coming along with that idea but I still have hope bc I don’t think it was super unsuccessful
I dont like how this series doesnt even have a decent fight 🤨 like everyone is just getting folded immediately
Juuni Taisen was great. Not because it had good fights or good animation or good designs (I still enjoyed them). It was great because of every single character having trouble for being strong and at the same wanting to have a wish even though they are strong and could fullfill everything they wish to have fullfilled. That Nezumi won the tournament and his thoughts about his wish were great too. It was just an all about good show, enjoyed it!
I think it hits in a very interesting way. It climaxes in every way you don't expect, builds character value, explores mature concepts like the tragedy, struggle, selfishness, means to an end , difference /similarities, purpose, righteousness and inevitability (as you've mentioned). I really enjoyed it! Animation was spot on IMO, paced very well and I think, hopeful, even if it's mostly dystopian. enjoying well executed anime, I love it so thank you for making this video! Nail on the head
Yes! Thank you for pointing all this out. I was very frustrated when everyone started calling it a "predictable" anime because it had a definite order they were dying in.
i ADORED this anime, it brought something more than what people are accustomed to and that's where it "falls short" even though it doesn't fall short. ITS LITERALLY G O L D
I am so glad this video exists, I have been thinking the same thing and they are driving me crazy. Can't believe the show only has a 6.7 because of people like this.
Let me just drop this bomb and leave, 'But the snake died first'
Snake's death is not shown on-screen until it fits the Zodiac sequence.
This anime is great
I do agree with you. Juuni Taisen is based off the Chinese Zodiac Race and as a Chinese and Battle Royale fan myself, I was pretty hyped for this. But it was a letdown. Let me explain.
1. Characters died without doing shit.
2. Back stories are long and pointless. What's the point of showing us how strong the character is if he is going to die in one shot?
3. Characters are generic. They lack motive.
If you guys want a Chinese Zodiac anime better than Juuni Taisen, watch Etotama. Personally, I like that more.
Etotama💙 I really love that anime
thanks for recommendation, but i sstill LOVE junni taisen...even if they could do much more..i think it's perfect the way it ended
hope there will be some fanfictions or more stories on wattpad about anime
I dont mind its predicable and i dont mind the characters die in the order they do...i just hate how most of them die without doing ANYTHING! i mean cmon i dont mind rabbit killing dragon and snake but at least give them SOME chance to shine outside of backstory. if you are ONLY going to have 12 characters then why not give em some chance to shine in the fights they are in? at least with boar they did a clever thing where they showed how she thought the fight would go and as such we got to see some of her current capability's in a fight even if it was all just in her mind...that said i still like the show alot, just wish characters got to do more before dying off.
Joeliono Muglio That's a problem that is actually more a problem that comes from the characters minimal spotlights. Getting a backstory and firing doesn't foster much.
True but some characters dont even get that much, take the dragon and snake...one of them died before we eve knew wtf was going on and all we saw of another was the backstory and him floating above the city.
you only have 12 characters, some are not going to get to shine, it is just something that goes hand in hand with Last man standing types of fights. The only way to show what everybody can do would be to break the flow of the show and in general would have probably made the show too boring.
Thank you very, very much. I binged the show in a day, loved the way they handled the characters, and felt really surprised when I went to see how other people felt about the show. It seems some people just can't enjoy art unless it's obscured with a veil of mystery.
Most media is predictable, unless a show tries to be unpredictable I dont find it a fault that it is. Like you said it can be a strength or neutral aspect of the show and I agree with that. Atleast this show doesn't try to set itself apart and is just a mindless indulgent sort of show.
foreshadowing is a thing and it gets used quite a lot. As of late people have been ignoring that Foreshadowing is a thing.
The ending honestly pissed me off of all the shit he could have wished for
That means you did not get it
so let me get this straight, this video was made not to point out what juuni taisen is about, but you complaining about others complaining why they don't get it, and you still don't bother to explain WHY we don't get it and what this is about? Hm, seems legit
wtf jyy Well, its cause actually explaining it properly will involve spoiling the series. I'm a fan which came from the novels and I'm honestly looking forward to how people react to the ending
If you're willing you could watch till the end to see if u get it i guess
But if you still dont then maybe we can explain it to you
>~
Hong Shen Ng I just hope it's not gonna end in 'throwing pillow' style like shaman king manga
it might end fantastically but I doubt the ending will make up for 6+ ep of boredom
Is the light novel worth reading after the anime have ended? Or does the anime do a good job adapting the light novel?
+dbt00tugal, what are you talking about? The true ending of Shaman King manga is one of the best endings of any Shonen manga, and good endings in Shonen manga are rare.
What is left to spoil after that video?
I wouldn’t have minded all the deaths if we got the back story’s when they died not before they died cuz then it was like okay I get it so if they at least saved the backstory’s for later and kept us guessing who would win I honestly wouldn’t have minded
Love this HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
It was never about who is going to win--
Episode 1 was already an indication. In fact, I have to commend the story writers because think about it. Twelve characters. Twelve episodes.
They have to somehow expertly fit in backstory, a fight scene and then the very death of the character they highlighted. Certain episodes even had me worried because there were absolutely no deaths in it and I started thinking "Oh man, are they going to be able to squeeze everything in the schedule?" BUT THEY DID. AMAZING. This is some real Chekhov's Gun skill because given the time span, they can't afford to put anything unnecessary in it.
Just recently episode 9 came out giving us our usual dose of backstory, although the scenes were slightly switched up from the usual order of how they tackle a character's story. Frankly, we all know who will be standing at the end (unless of course this is all some big PLOY TO LULL US INTO COMPLACENCY AND THEN WOW PLOT TWIST) but perhaps what is keeping us watching is the one question that the whole writing team seems to be wrapping in a blanket and hiding in a cooler of the basement--
What's the deal with the war in general? Who made it? How far does the reach of the wish extend? In Episode 1 when Monkey attempted a peaceful resolution, what would her game plan have been? I also vaguely recall someone asking (perhaps sarcastically), if she would simply use the wish to bring them all back to life-- Well we've seen Rabbit and his merry band of (undead) friends, so we know that Juuni Taisen doesn't just stretch science, it down right snaps its spine in half.
Let's see, let's see. So far it has made a lot of social commentary on the business of war, along with some philosophical probing regarding the festering nature of humanity (and its cheapness), so let's sit tight and wait for what the concluding 'statement' of this story is.
Sara N. Yess, it seems not many others recognize this as the philosophical and psychological treatise [on war, the different takes on it, and which perspective comes out on top] that it is! I appreciate your comment.
Well, it could have been done a lot less sloppily.
That is what I call a good comment.
Sara N. True. Its kinda sad people don't actually think of these things, the possible deeper meaning behind everything. Seeing the backstories of each warrior, the brutal training they each face. Makes you wonder how much winning the Zodiac would mean not only to the clans they belong to. But the world.
And also we don't know much about either the Rabbit or Rat. Where have they come from ? Or who drove them to join the war in the first place? So many questions, yet little answers....
I found monkey's character to be terrifying. There is no more dangerous people than those who blindly convinced their cause are the absolute justice and righteous
I like the idea that The Rat has the ability to see all possible futures and just completes the best outcome. And we the viewer know the death order and now just complete to that outcome.
Grex: SUSPENSE AND SURPRISING DEATHS ARE NOT THE POINT OF THIS SERIES!
-so, in your opinion, whats the point...?
Grex: thanks for watching! have a great day! and leave any reasonable feedback in the comments!...
-SON OF A-
the point is a fun story. might want to watch the video before commenting.
GoAwayGoogle But was it fun?
@@mystic1410 it was with out a doubt the most boring story ever....
I hated the ending rat should've wish juni taisen never happens again but everyone just died for no reason, he jusy wished to not remember it
Rat won and wasted his wish. The End
Traffy
Dont you ever do this shit again
I gotta say, the ending just droned on and fell flat. I was hoping the wish would have a more interesting impact on the story. Still... I kinda enjoyed watching it. Didn't read too much into their order of deaths, was disapointed when my picks got offed... But it was an... Interesting run.
Arduous Gamer next year it will come back
First off, I agree. I mean it fit for his character but I was kinda pissed he didn't wish back monkey after she helped him stay alive through out the show!
Secondly, You just broke the cardinal rule of television/Streaming... ALWAYS GIVE A WARNING BEFORE SPOILING THE SHOW!!!
+pecu
ahhh that makes perfect sense...there would be no way for him to get the perfect wish he wanted with so many variables so he had to wish to forget about the wish...i can accept that
Yeah, my thoughts exactly. So what if it's predictable; why does it happen, how does it happen, ect?
but we all know how all the fights are gonna happen...oneshot them in 4 seconds. the story is boring and the fights are boring. i don't see anything good about it
Death flags were shown in the first chapter, wich is a BIG plus to the series XD
Its SOOOOOOO full of fucked up characters and methods and idiotic deaths, love it!
Embracing predictability, i really like that method!
Rah Can you tell me how its embracing its predictability? cause I would love to know how
KoroProductions the death order following the zodiac, this death order being shown in both the opening and ending and the fact that the episode titles literally spoil the episode ahead haha, cutting a chicken with a beef cleaver, like they have no intent on hiding it
Wouldn't call the predictability a draw of the show. It's more like a declaration that trying to guess who lives and dies is not the point. (Though I'm all for a surprise twist that throws everyone off.)
Personally, I was drawn in by the anime style and the supernatural element.
I guessed it would be rat in the first episode (after Boar died), not because I knew the order or saw the credits (I didn't lol), but because when she died, I realized that she had pointed out Rat and Monkey specifically. She didn't have a connection with Rat, but she said he was familiar. Why emphasize him if he wasn't important.
Despite the fact that my guess was correct, I thoroughly enjoyed the show. I loved the characterization, the music, and the art. I was so freaking hyped for it. This really is a must watch, because the way it's handled is amazing.
I loved this anime because how they do the back story’s
Thank you!!! The show was never meant to be some gory war mystery game!! How did anyone not get this???!!
Honestly tell you the truth I started watching it maybe a couple of weeks or month ago and I stand by your opinions I agree with everything you just said I personally enjoy the anime art style at all I also personally think this is quite unique in its own way ^w^
There's something I really like about junni taisen. I think it's the visceral way in which awesome characters get disposed off and it adds realism in a way instead of that character always coming back stronger every single time.
The only problem with the series for me was rabbits powers were all over the place and contradicted itself over and over
From my understanding, he could control the corpses of people he killed (not by other corpses already under his control ie, monkey holding down ox so rabbit could reform) but he was able to control chicken even though ox killed her
He also shouldn’t have been able to control his own corpse because even though he bit his tongue he was still killed by ox and tiger
He didn’t control Chicken. He killed some of her birds and that’s how he controlled them.
I think the point was the way the deaths happened and what part of the character persona that we see in their back story contributed to it, like how snakes cockyness and relance on his brother made make a opening for rabbit
BLESS THIS VIDEO!
Like I have no clue about why this anime is so poorly rated. It was never about the Battle Royale in the first place. More so it was a character driven story giving themes on pragmatism, deception, war and power.
Like good lord, this video said everything I wanted to say about this series.
In my opinion, hear me out, is about the butterfly effect,it’s basically irony, the anime. In monkey’s attempt to save as many people as she can she gets snake killed, in tiger’s attempt to survive she kills ox indirectly, etc
I just heard about this show, decided to watch a review. Thanks for saving me the time.
It a very good show you she watch it
I'm so glad you made this video! I was getting so annoyed that the vast majority seems to think that knowing how the series will end ruins it. They're completely missing that the fun part is watching how that outcome is reached, not who wins!
This is random but,
I got a black bunny yesterday and
I named it Usagi Kuro
and every time there was Usagi screentime when I was watching the anime
I brought Usagi Kuro out and said "Hey look, it's your brother"
Either you are cringing beyond expectations right now, or you're frantically disliking this comment.
So, um, sorry...
That's fucking adorable, from one weeb to another
XD
Lucky you, not getting a single dislike.
Prequel to another series. The deaths can be spoiled, the deaths don't matter. The series doesn't end with the game.
What else can I say, except...
SUBSCRIBED. 💯🔥✌🏻😎
Dude never noticed some of that stuff but i enjoyed the series thanks for clarifying the shoe it just made it 10times better thanks
So let me get this straight. This is the Anime equivalent to the Rick and morty copy pasta meme. Cool
AnUnspokenLegend no
Not sure if anyone’s pointed this out yet, (I haven’t seen it if they have) but the end result was also “spoiled” in the opening too. Twice durrin the op, Rat is the only combatant colored in while the others are silhouetted.
I really liked the show, especially the official website, but it did end with me feeling a little empty. But that's not a bad thing 😅
I get this video is 4 years old now but what rings true is that much of the anime fan base continues to act this way. Everyone is looking for certain scratches to be itched and everyone is looking for creative subversions, but sometimes there's something else going on, sometimes we're watching something completely different, and they just can't understand that. Good video.
it's a good Anime......but it has no direction, story line, back story, meaning.
it's like watching a bird fly by...literally
You must have low IQ. You have my pity.
Ooo! Yes~for me I unfortunately caught on the order once Ox died and only rat was left. I thought it was recreating the old race where the Rat wins by piggy backing on the Ox~but thissss is even a better observation! Thanks for making this vid!!
I hate making the "it was too subtle" argument, but until seeing this video, I didn't know how hard the show was pushing the killing order. I think that could be playing out a bit better if there were more signs that are in the show than outside of the show. I don't and would think that most don't know the zodiak's order, and I didn't pay much attention to the ending. With the knowledge of how the killing order will go, Rat's actions and overall attitude make more sense, but maybe they could of thrown in a few lines that show he knows if he does. Last thing about the backstory sections, they almost kill the show for me. We spend more than half the show in the past when all I want to see is the interactions between the fighters. I don't hate giving characters a good backstory, but integrate them better into the current events, not stopping the story and smashing to a different plot every episode.
I think they did a sometimes good, sometimes bad job at fitting the backstorys into the story. For example Monkeys Backflash makes total sense because she tells Rat about her past in this scene and so a backflash is appropiate. Otherwise Snakes backstory in the last episode seemed crammed in and boring, because it came out of nowhere and we have not really met both Snake or Dragon in the actual story that much
Being asian and half chinese i could see it coming since the first ep...
Ya that was the worst because we had a flashback inside of a flashback and we have seen them more in the past than the present.
kadunk322 really? I thought it was obvious based on the zodiac, the ending, even the opening had it where the silhouettes show the order from winner to loser
The back stories reflects the characteristics of each zodiac
No matter what man that is the nature of humans. They will always talk until someone clarify it all. Well I guess you tried but it won't completely change the mindset.
Gobona Gabankitse sounds like an anime you watch after YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY nothing to do seems lame
No one? On the entire planet? Except for you? Not even the author? Wow you're so smart!
Juni Taizen = Drunk fate zero
You = Moron.
this comment section = idiotic
Joeliono Muglio how was fate bad though?The only criticism you made was "fake deaths" which is bubu since every single death was well done and meaningful(except for maybe assassin).
Of course I'm talking about zero too...you could make a case for meaningless deaths in UBE
This anime deserves it's name more than any anime
You were very reasonable.
I mean the ending was where the subversion of expectations happens the most.
If it's embracing inevitability it should do a better job of doing so. The way that show is structured makes you want to follow a specific character because you agree with their view points, sympathize for them or you like their personality; giving a backstory and providing insight into the each of the characters then immediately killing them off isn't the way to do present viewers with a feeling of inevitability it only makes providing an interesting backstory pointless. I'm fine with killing off people's favourite characters as it can create a sense of inevitability and despair but there is literally nothing else in Juuni Taisen when they do that. There is no strategy in the show or when there is a strategy they immediately waffle on it. Since Rat is probably gonna win they should try to involve him differently to make it seem like his winning isn't just an asspull, so that he doesn't win just because he's the final character in Zodiac but they aren't. What is there to enjoy about this show? There is next to no plot aside from the backstories which are made irrelevant by the episode's end and there is no tension in a fight when you no who is going to lose. There is also nobody to root for in this show since any character you find appealing will die and at the same time there is nobody to root against since there is no villain. I guess you're right I don't get this show, I'm fine with a show tries something new as long as it well executed or the concept was worth experimenting with that's not the case with Juuni Taisen.
im so mad at the ending !!! really was PRAYING that his wish was the bring all the players back ! they don’t deserve to die
I wanted everyone to come back accept Rabbit, he was the most annoying character imo
MultifandomStruggles thats what i thought too but all he ever wanted was to have friends 🥺
You pretty much just summed up everything that's wrong with this show. You're trying to defend but you can't think of any reason why it deserves to even be defended. This show really has nothing going for it. episode 12 hasn't come out yet but I doubt it can make up for the 11 weeks of boring.
11 weeks of boring? dunno i didn't watch those episodes, i watched 12 weeks of solid story telling tho. Maybe you just like shows with no path. Just because Juuni Taisen can foreshadow does not make it bad.
GoAwayGoogle SOLID STORYTELLING ayy lmao more like STUPID STORYTELLING with boring characters.
mmm indeed a nice come back McZalion, As it stands Junni Taisen is the best Battle Royale anime to come out.
I thought that at the end, rat would wish that the whole taisen was actually just a simulated path he was running, and after realizing the wishes suck, he'll flash back to before he entered the taisen by rewinding, and it'd be a race of everybody trying to get revived first. Of course rat is the first to be alives because he never died, the ox gets revived, and so on. Dragon loses the revival race because he was the first to die.
Do tell how spoiling itself and making the whole thing predictable isn't lazy. Maybe thats what they're idea is, but its definitely not a good one. Doing something lazy and admitting to do it, doesn't make it any less lazy.
And if it's not supposed to be unpredictable, why would I watch it? Does it have something else to say? some other reason to exist? Oh right... you don't know. But for some nebulous reason you feel compelled to defend it because apparently being lazy is different.
It sure is different, but different =/= good.
foreshadowing is a tool in writing and a very powerful one in fact.
It makes sense that the characters are killed off in this chronology, since this anime is essentially an in depth adaptation of the original story explaining why the Zodiac have a particular order. Only they aren't having a race, but a battle royal.
Ok sure, the show was made with reverse zodiac in mind, it still sucks dick at doing exactly that. Giving every character exactly 10 minutes of generic backstory filler doesn't make them interesting nor likeable, it just draws out the show until their inevitable death scenes. So far the show just doesn't convey anything. You just see generic characters die in the matters of seconds, there's nothing beyond that, and any semi-interesting plotline (what is monkey's plan?) just gets thrown out and everyone forgets about it. You say that the ending might have a twist, but seriously, it's already been 9 episodes. If 9/12 episodes (assuming the next two are good before the supposed twist in the finale) are pretty bad, then honestly the show as a whole suffers greatly.
Why do you not want to know when they die? The show focuses on how the die. Get over your self and move on!!!
I don't wanna sound like a hipster dick here, but you should try to look at the series outside of a conventional storytelling perspective. It's not about the plot, there wasn't any to begin with. It's not about who dies, we already know that. I think this series is more about the characters. If you watch those ''generic backstories'' properly, you'll see that they really flesh out the characters quite well. If you combine that with what they do in the current timeline, you can always map out characters well enough to understand their reason for becoming who they are, their objective, their strengths, weaknesses etc...
Now the next think I like to ask myself after seeing their story is: How can all they built up until now in their life crumble to pieces? Will they die as shamefully as they can, or will they be able to feel accomplished after all? will they get a last word or will it be just slaughter?
There is a very subdle nihilistic vibe to this series that will definitely become stronger and stronger as we approach the end and as we approach rat's moment, rat being the most nihilistic character in the series as far as we know (rabbit doesn't count, he's a psycho)
Thats just your opinion, personally I find the show quite interesting, different strokes for different folks as they say.
Drake Josh thats just not my opinion this show is tanking in ratings in japan
that ep 10 doe..
I want more than one season of juni taisen. It's really deep with personal meanings/values that each character values.
Maybe it more about the reasons they are fighting for and why their fighting. Maybe its a cycle and this isn't the first death match. Soooo, what exactly is this all for, besides betting for the rich of course lol.
Orlyn Matute Well, we know already from the first episode that this isn't the first death match. But I like that concept of cycles.
I wonder, then, if the winner of the competition is actually predestined by which sign's year it is. If that turned out to be the case, bets would have to be placed on something other than the winner, huh?
i should have watched this before the anime because after watching all 12 episodes and then seeing this video it makes me want to rewatch the series now knowing what i should be expecting
But snake died first
GenericRUclips808 They showed his death in the right order though
Paradox
thegalaxy2012 kek
That part was annoying as fuck in MGS.
But we find out how in a flash back later
My fiancee and I gave this show a 6.5 (I even got him the book for Xmas). We figured out who would win by episode 2. Even knowing who was going to win we still watched it because it intrigued us both. We felt it was definitely rushed, but we recommend it. My one complaint was it never answered my question of, "WHAT THE H3!! IS THAT PSYCHO NIGHMARE FUEL RABBIT'S BACKSTORY!?!? (you'll understand what I mean by nightmare fuel in the second to last episode)
XD my favorite characters are/were
1)Bunny (marry me!)
2)Boar (hell yeah i like her character so much! and yes she dies on first episode, dont really care!)
3)Twins (their backstory was amazing XD )
4)Monkey (i really respect her)(somehow i feel like she should be 1 but... she doesnt XD )
5)Ox si a really cool guy, like Rat. I will pair them here, since the rat always tricks the Ox into carry him mounted on its back
Actually i kina like everyone but the horse and the goat. I respect the goat protected his grandchild but i dont like he got to ruin Monkey plan. Bu!
eh my first fave was the rat like literally from the first time i saw him i knew he was gon win idk why xD i didnt expect his ability to be that tho
Rah bunny is like a box of chocolates. Crazy chocolate. You know he's bad for you but you just gotta have him XD
Side note: the twins were my favorite.
First try to do the right thing second do it. You are not angry at the fact you’re not doing the right thing you are angry at the conscious choice you chose not do the right thing. I love this show
This was just a video complaining about other people complaining. You still haven’t sold me on why I should bother watching the show and I wish I hadn’t watched this video because, like juuni taisen, it’s a waste of time.
HotSkull Well that was the point of the video. He's not trying to convince anyone to watch it and neither is he saying it's a good series. He's just saying people are hating on the show for the wrong reasons while missing the point of the show. There are reasons to dislike the show but most people simply talk about the show being predictable.
It great anime but it give a life story for every person and you wonder who wants to win
it would of been cool if they did the back storys first. then, the death battle. and have every try to figure out who will win. ox die first to rabbit first and blindside everyone.
Michael Atkinson did you even watch the video? That wouldn't be cool, that would make it like every other death battle anime which this show is DELIBERATELY trying to go against
yah but that didnt exactly work did it? wouldve been better off being like every other battle anime
I say it worked. Just because something is different from the norm doesn't mean it's inherently bad. Nisio Isin's works hinge on being deliberately left field and unusual to portray his ideas and ideologies on certain cliches and genres most effectively. It's not a traditional show with all the good merits of a regular battle royale show, but then again it shouldn't be judged upon those merits at all because it's not even trying to hit those marks. That's like judging Eva as a traditional mech show, or Madoka Magica as a regular slice of life magical girl show. Generic is safe, but not always good, and Nisio Isin knows this and strays away from it mindfully.
I also saw those signs, even by second episode alone you'll get the idea that the ED shows the order of deaths. Even if many complained, it won't change a thing because this was based from the novel and will just follow that storyline.
Junni Taisen Is anticlimactic and utterly uninteresting. It may not be trying to be fate, but at this point it might have a better chance if it did. (not that i'm saying that it should). Its characters are dull and yet it spends entire episodes showing us their story like we're supposed to care. The order of the deaths doesn't even bother me. The majority of the episodes are just fuckin boring
Simmba Serket I mean I guess it’s opinion but I for one found the backstories really interesting and I genuinely thought that for the most part the whole backstory first then action setup did the show well. I also really liked the characters in general even the bunny since it’s somewhat refreshing to see a villain that is ruthless to the core for no apparent reason than some villain that has some kind of novel reason for all he/she has done.
The only thing the show has is the action which isn’t great and the characters. It’s more like a character study more than anything
I love it!!!
that's the exact problem i have with terraformars, but terraformars is even worse
I still enjoyed it. It has to be my favourite anime of 2017 mainly for the fact it pushed me into diving into the novel
The problem is, now that we know how preditable the show is, it has nothing going for it.
There is no real story and no reason to care about these characers, since we don't know enough about them until they are about to die, at which point it's too late to get invested.
Fights started strong, but are pretty meh now and also tensionless because of the predictability. The latest epsiodes had some really awful cuts to boot.
If You Want Mindless Fighting,Then Go Watch DBZ. Juuni Taisen Is About The Fighters,Not The Fights.
In that case the show is a total failure, because the fighters aren't interesting at all.
They Are If You Have The Maturity To See It. Something You Clearly Lack.
There is nothing mature about this anime.
How Would You Possibly Know? If You Don't Think Monkey's Revolve As A Pacifist (Despite Everything She's Seen And Know's Of The World) Is Not Mature,Then You Clearly Have No Idea What Mature IS. Again,If All You Care About Is Mindless Fighting Then Go Watch DBZ. You're Not Psychologically FIT To Understand Something Like Junni Taisen.
Thank GOD someone made this. I was loosing hope on western fans for not getting the point.
It was obvious from the concept that rat will win. The meek inherit and all that. This show is dense with meaning and asks you to think. That's the kinda show it is. Not everyone likes that. It's not about rooting for hero characters at all. Not every show has to deliver the same thing. If you came here hoping for a rip off of a show you watched last season then you should maybe try new things more. The real world is dirty and unfair sometimes and there should be stories that reflect that too. Stories that don't just give you what you want all the time. Just like wars.
You forgot the Rat ability : he could predicts and actually feels and experienced the outcome of every scenarios. In his head, he already died 99 times.
Finally I saw someone talking about this Anime. I'm Japanese and I knew from the death of the boar warrior where were they going, though maybe I expected a plot twist in the middle to break the pattern,but I wasn't deluded. Maybe because I am a rat sign, but other than this I really love this kind of Anime with political and philosophical thought, obviously not directed to kids. And people complaining probably watch only Shonen or fan service anime.
This show was a failure. Some argue it's a "character study" and it could've been if it had bothered to study the characters in any way. The Dog is a violent killer and a pre-school teacher? Well cool I'd love to see how he balances those two lives - oh, guess we're not getting into that. Wow Rabbit is crazy! How did he become like that? I'm so fascinated by him! Too bad, we're not getting a drop of his backstory. Joke's on you.
These shows are the worst because you can see how good it could've been. Instead we got half-baked plot pie.
Not a lot more you can do with only 12 episodes.
so what you're saying is it didn't do what you wanted so the show is bad for not doing what you wanted?
@@trebot9292266 Well it didn't do anything that was the problem. Still love the OP though.
@@jessip8654 it told a story, it just didn't tell the story you wanted.
I haven’t looked at the Zodiac order to determine the inevitability because the conflict is somewhat exciting. Because you can determine who’s gonna die - and everyone seems to want to spread light on that because then there’s no expectations and now people are unwilling and doubtful about a story’s ending, nobody really truly understands that this is a Battle Royale in its own way. It may be using the same concept as so many other things, but this is still different. Go Bunny!
No bro... Everybody gets it... .
its just that the alternative is boring as hell.
A battle royale where theres no twists and maybe some different character development here and there but instead we get a clusterfuck of nobody cares backstories for nobody cares characters because a backstory isn't what makes you attached to a character its growth. and In a backstory we get to see some growth but it feels fake when in the actual royale we don't see any shades of it.
Sheep - smart and crafty... spends an entire episode talking about who he should align with... who to watch out for... he has an answer and opinion of EVERYONE.... except tiger. "Tiger is the weakest of the 12 families..." no reasoning... no nothing... which goes against his entire backstory of plans on top of plans on top of plans... The story gimped his backstory just so they could kill him.
Then we get to tiger's story.... Literally demon on the battlefield that is well received with battle honors after battle honors including the fact that the tiger family literally owns a dojo to train warriors... SO WHY DID SHEEP SAY THAT SHE'S THE WEAKEST?!?!?!?!
Horse literally endures all and almost every form of pain and endurance that is possible both physical and mental in order to "toughen up" but he gets cut by ox a couple of times and all of a sudden afraid of death?!?!?!...
was he not "afraid" of death when he was undergoing training in lava and shit.
This show is dumb and isn't nisio's best work. :V
I thought it was amazing even with all that flash they're needs felt very human.. I found all my wishes with everyone of them.
Kuroi Sora
Pssst. That's the joooooooke. =P
(first off spoilers if anyone cares but you shouldn't)
I 100% agree with this comment. I literally just gave up watching. The first episode had so much potential but it's all just wasted. Like I can even get on board with a show that embraces it's predicability, when you read/watch Superman or Batman or any super hero, you know how it's gonna end. When you watch any shonen (especially one punch man) you know how it's going to end. Heck, even hunger games is a good example of this, it's a battle Royale where sure you may not know the order but you know the end point. I can accept that to an extent. What I can't accept is a freaking boring story!!!
And the flashbacks are ridiculous, they barely tie in or have any baring on the show whatsoever besides making you "feel" for the characters you know are about to die, which is so much better executed when you do it within the setting that we actually came to see!
Like tiger and sheep for example. When we get to sheep's episode we get to see him strategize and get excited to see what he's going to do (then there's tons of boring backstory stuff, whatever). Seeing his thought process taught me much more about him as a character, as well as his history than seeing his backstory. And granted, I actually think he has one of the more compelling backstories. Then we get to tiger, who's falling over drunk and sheep is uncharacteristically stupid and misjudges her and gets destroyed. That little sequence of seeing her sober up (sober's probably not the right word lol) was really interesting and showed us that she's more than the show let on. Granted the show was being super cliché and that reveal was super obvious but at least it was interesting. You know what's not interesting...? ALL OF THE BACKSTORIES! THEY'RE LITERALLY SO BORING THAT I CAN'T REMEMBER A SINGLE ONE OF THEM AND I LITERALLY JUST WATCHED ALL OF THEM RIGHT BEFORE I CAME TO THIS RUclips VIDEO!!!
And like the fact that the fight scenes are almost all boring and anti-climactic (not due to my knowledge of the results, just due to the choreography) ruins the show for me. Because if I have to sit through the melodrama of a character that I barely care about, at least make their death's captivating.
I just think this show is a prime example of wasted potential. It doesn't even do much with the character's zodiac signs besides give them costumes that scream "HEY I'M A CHICKEN!' and make them announce "HEY DID YOU KNOW I'M THE CHICKEN?!" every time they fight like we didn't get it through out thick skulls.
Also last note (just because I actually remembered a backstory), even of the backstories that interested me, like chicken lol, or like sheep I guess... the show doesn't deliver with the follow through. Chicken was actually a one of the few that did follow through where as sheep's totally didn't. Chicken is an assassin that will betray anyone and everyone to get whatever she wants and her death (which I don't need to describe since you've already seen it) pays off or at least connects to its theme. A character who didn't care about anyone changes their nature and dies, cementing out distain for Ox, awesome! What did Sheep's death have to do with his backstory? What did Monkey's? I understand not tying it in for Boar as that's supposed to shock the viewer into thinking that she's the main character but after that you have no excuse. I don't care about twists and shock value (even though that's basically what you come to see in a battle Royale with no main character) all I care about is good execution of a story, and that's why I hated and couldn't finish Juuni Taisen.
But they don't get it...
Kuroi Sora Sheep thought Tiger wasn't worthy because he saw her drowning herself in drinks and because she was completely drunk... I don't understand what's hard to understand about this...
After episode 1, I could already tell what direction the anime was going but by episode 4, I realized there was a pattern and it was the zodiac backwards. Despite knowing this and being able to predict the most likely outcome, I still wouldn’t criticize this anime because I was intrigued how different this anime was and I really want it to be more we’ll known. The anime is basically a recreation of the zodiac story told with different types of themes but they make it interesting because it does give depth on most of the characters and that’s probably what pulled me in so much. I’m shocked that people don’t like it just because it’s predictable but I’m glad there is still some who like it.
I want bunny to win😊😂
I Kinda Want Bore To Win...But I Don't Think That's Happening._>
I would like Rat to win.
that girl is dead
the first one dead
I think he might be alive if you're about to say the 'bad news', since he did something before it happened
I'm goat and I still wanted Boar to win... in my dream.
This actually got me to finish it. Thanks, because I enjoyed the anime.