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Love your videos! Watched ANTM when it was on originally and cannot believe what they made seem was “normal” for photo shoots. Love re-watching with your commentary as a photographer. Gives a professional view ❤
Amanda did the smartest thing, she knew by this point in the competition that nobody was going to make accommodations for her disability so she needed to make them for herself. The ableism in this season is shocking.
If you watch some interviews she did, she mentions that the crew would purposefully refuse to let her walk stairs before a runway or know how many steps to expect because they wanted her to fall. The other girls would have to do their walk and whisper how many stairs there were to her back stage.
100% ❤ because that was what pissed me off this season but I was so proud of her for overcoming that bullshit AND when I found out the other girls let her know info that she needed. Queens don’t let other queens fall and lose their crown 💅🏽👑🙏🏽🥰
They were sooooooo interested in her saying how cute she was.....until they heard she was 25, then they were like yeah pass, next. Which is stupid. You thought she was so cute a second ago but now all of that changed because you know her age?
In my opinion, she looked the best. Not exactly Lolita but at least she had kind of the right idea with her skirt. Watching this from today's standards, the ageism and abelism in this show is insane.
@@sylverscale yeah, i'm hardcore into japanese street style (including lolita) and i think she was the best and it seemed like they had the best reactions with her until she told them her age and vise versa with eva, i feel like they didn't care much until she told them she was 19 i think the pick had to do 100% with age
Unfortunately, I had the same experience as the models here. Before I turned 25, I had many modeling jobs in Japan. I looked (and still look) much younger than I am, but as soon as I told the client I was older than 25, it was over. XD Now I'm 30 and I'm often mistaken for a foreign high school student by strangers. However, as soon as I reveal my age, they treat me like a fossil XDDD
With how fickle and shallow the fashion industry is, it doesn't surprise me at all that they have a very young age cutoff. There are times where the fashion industry is very predatorial, looking for young, naiive girls who they can groom to their standards and immediately kick out when they get "too old." It's gross
That girl with the vision issue is so correct! I'm disabled, and I have a similar philosophy. I cant always do the most, I can't always do the things I'd like to be able to do, but I can be there on time and be put-together, and it can make a big difference.
Idk if it's a cultural thing, but the old-at-25 is definitely an ANTM thing. I remember it being an issue every so often when they had someone on who was older than 22. They'd complain about that person "photographing old." And I forget the contestant's name, but I remember one being 26 and the other girls talking about how she was already basically at the end of her career because of her age. I'm assuming now that convo was prompted by producers, but it definitely made an impression on me when I was younger and made me think the industry only wanted young people.
In Japan is also a thing, being 25 and not being married or having a boyfriend seems too bad, and people think that you are no longer beautiful. There is a really bad saying "women are like christmas cake, they are not good after 25" and I think is so gross. I have to say that this might not represent the youth, society is changing so are japanese, but some people stilll believing it :(
@@michelletirado3671 I hear this a lot online these days too, they've lowered the bar from 30 to 25 which is ridiculous. I'm 25 and I feel like this is the best I've looked lol, my teen years were note cute whatsoever. I want to say I don't really see this sentiment as much irl though, at least I hope it isn't much of a thing beyond the internet and modelling space. I mean a bunch of shows have mid/late 20's people playing teens, current "it girls" like bella hadid or jennie are also over 25, as well as a good chunk of top female streamers and the list goes on lol.
@@michelletirado3671 sad but true that this is a thing in Japan. Hell anywhere that has similar views within their cultures like this its sad and predatory.
@@diamcole I hear you. I remember someone saying a coworker (who I didn't even like) was old at 26. I was 24 then so I didn't understand how those 2 extra years changed anything. When I turned 27, started hearing it a lot more even though I feel like I rocked 27
"Oh 19. Still young enough for us to take advantage of you by not paying you the rate you should get by telling you you're being paid.. in.. experience!" It's all I hear when they prefer them to be young.
as a japanese street fashion enthusiast with a particular interest in lolita, this is always so painful to watch because the girls don't try and the show doesn't try, either. $200 for a babydoll lolita look? maybe secondhand but woof
Yeah they even went to a Lolita store, I'm sure they had some ready dresses as example but the show should have explained the fashion better, so not really their fault.
@@TJ-fi7cb yea that’s a good point too. I think they had to explain the fashion better. Or better yet, they could have just asked them to do street fashion which is a more broad category and they each could have shown more personality/creativity which is what a lot of Japanese subculture fashion is about.
I can see why the judges controversially eliminated the fabulous Toccara Jones before Japan because Toccara is plus-sized, she probably wouldn't fit the clothes.
Oh, I remember that! I was like 11 or 12, and it pissed me off. Anyway, it was a recurring thing in this show that they cast a girl in the age of 25-26 just to call her "too old" later... (Then why did you cast her?!)
Like everything in ANTM, it was definitely a setup. Like Jessica said, a whole outfit is super expensive so no one was actually going to match this look. "Babydoll Lolita" wants the baby doll look (big eyes, soft features, frilly/lacy clothes, and obviously youth) Even if Amanda had matched a little closer to the style, they 99% would have said "too old" anyway.
I was sad they didn't pick Amanda. She was genuinely interested and had an attention to detail with her styling. I know the fashion industry isn't all cuddly and stuff but it was obvious she put thought into her hair and make up (which was also very doll like, so you could see she did care about the theme) and was very respectful. As a designer I would have appreciated a model with this attitude. Ann's outfit was cool, I esp. liked her blouse and it would have been great in a Visual Kei inspired outfit! I liked Eva's outfit as well but it was more generally Harajuku inspired rather than being giving me specific Babydoll Lolita vibes. Overall they were screwed with the budget they had so yeah. But honestly I was very surprised they didn't rule out Eva right from the start, not because of her outfit but because the discrimination against dark skinned people is well documented. So I guess they weren't as discrimating in this point, which is nice.
@@miristtotallw ANTM production probably put words in their ears (and dollars) and told them the premise. Probably the case for any go-see challenge tbh. If it wasn't for the cameras, they probably wouldn't accept anyone. Agencies were hostile to many ANTM contestants and I'm sure castings were no different. I wouldn't be surprised if they wanted certain contestants to have more positive or negative reviews. Eva being the youngest and shortest should definitely match up closer to Harajuku/Lolita concepts by default. I definitely see it working for everyone but Ann in this instance (didn't match lolita but she'd be excellent for Visual Kei like you said and her photoshoot seemed to agree). Unsurprisingly, Ann got eliminated.
I'm a gothic lolita. As the most well known lolita fashion model (Misako Aoki) turns 40 this year, and one of the most influential gothic lolita creator is most likely over 50, this is all bull :) also I laughed cause 20K yen at Metamorphose might get you a blouse if you're lucky lmaoooo
Did you take inflation into account? Cus they apparently could afford full outfits. This episode must be about 20 years old. Though even back then, I doubt 20k yen would be enough for anything of quality if you want ANY accessories. The stuff they bought did look kind of cheap to me compared to the lolita outfits in online stores that I drooled over back then.
@@tonichan89 can attest that even back then it was expensive. I usually sewed my own stuff when I used to dress Lolita or buy second hand used clothes from other overseas Lolitas.
No its true they're saying she's too old to Start off modeling if she was already a well Established model by the age of 25 than. That wouldnt be an issue.
I think people are dont understand they're saying she's too old to Start off modeling if she was already a well Established model by the age of 25 than. That wouldnt be an issue.
Yeah. All cultures around the world have some problematic element to them, many times embedded in tradition, it still doesn’t make it right. Culture is never an excuse.
Funfact Lolita fashion was started as a way to rebel against the idea you have to dress to be attractive to everyone else. Its based off of victorian and rococo era fashion. Its also known as egl or elegant gothic Lolita fashion.
as someone who was scouted at 12 by a modeling agency, age was definitely always a thing, as well as size obviously. I quite at 16 so I haven't experienced "running out of time" but most girls I ran into during gigs were in their early 20's at their oldest so even if no one speaks about there being a hard cutoff, it's implicit that you run out of options at a certain age
As an old school goth and anime obsessed person, I learned all about the elegant gothic Lolita style at a convention. I must have looked insane in my rocking horse shoes and petticoats at college but I think I rocked it.
it's actually really nice seeing a time capsule of lolita related brands like metamorphose and milk from the 00s! I wish they spent more time going into different harajuku fashion subcultures so they would have some idea of what to put together but it is antm after all smh
The "funny" thing about this is before they asked how old she was nobody knew. Beacuse a person can be soooooo hard to tell the age if by just looking at them. So if you liked their look what does age have to do with anything if you could not tell by looking at them?😮 like eva and her could be the exact same age?
I'm attempting to get into the modeling industry, and like for some agencies, the cut-off is 22-24 MAYBE 25 for women but 30 for men 💀. It's so dumb. Legit, you can look like you're 18 still, but as soon as you say your age, they act like you're 80 years old. I'm "too old" even though I'm 26
I'm turning 24 in a few days and I already had a panic attack about getting "older". Damn. Logically, I know we are still very very young women. But it's like society wants women to be perpetual pubescent teenagers for life which is impossible, and.. EW. Like I wanted to compete in the women's bodybuilding "bikini" division, but I would feel so self conscious competing with 18 year olds. It's not even about people a few year younger being more "attractive". But it just seems like a lot men have this really gross obsession with the youngest woman possible. Most judges in the fitness industry are men. And they LOVE the contestants that are "only 18 years old😍". UGH. I'm on a rant but it's just annoying af.
I'm a Japanese American and I LOVE Japanese street fashion! It's sad they thought it was a joke haha. But Asian culture and fashion is much more prominent in the west these days. So cool to share cultures with each other.
When the presenter of the challenge critiqued Ann's look, the show put on this very dramatic music. But the woman was very nice and positive still. I appreciated that. American reality tv shows play up the dramatic stress so much.
I'm living in Japan and I used to work as a model (for a Japanese agency). Yes, with 25, you're too old unless you have great connections or are already kind of famous. :') I look much younger than I am, but I lost many jobs after I turned 25.
I live and work in Japan so here's a: Fun filled fact. The Japanese girl bands like AKB48, when the girls are in their twenties they are called "too old" and have to "retire". They also can't publicly have boyfriends because they want to "keep" the men interested in them. So when those two designers said "too old" I don't think it's just a ANTM thing. Also those models are very luckily to find anything in their size. I can't find anything in my size and I'm 5'5" and weigh about 140ish pounds.
'He looks American, look at it, he's got glasses!' ...the Hell? With that said, nothing like being lost in an unfamiliar environment to make sure petty drama gets squashed quick-fast.
It’s strange how the average age is getting younger now because even back in the 2000s, plenty of idols debuted in their 20s. Boa was an exception for debuting at 13 or 14.
@@jellyrollyexcuse me baby vox, ses and finkl all had super young maknaes and members, who started the industry practice of debuting super young idols baby vox in 1998 so don't spread misinformation because debuted kids in minors in kpop has been a thing since 1st gen and if you don't believe go back and calculate the ages but don't spread misinformation. In only feels like it increased because the number of groups that debuted has increased
@@rttnmlk9013 That literally does not justify anything Also there is a difference between culture and cult Culture NEVER hurts people A cult does Just because you have a culture that does not change ANYTHING about your BASIC rights and well being
Age restriction is very common and culturally acceptable in Japan. If this was an ad on the internet, it would likely post an age limit. But it is not fair to place models who do not match the criteria the Milk people had in mind.
Man I miss my T-Mobile Sidekick! I think I had every model after the first model. I think the second model was the first model to have a color screen. Nostalgia!
This feels like the producers made up the age being too old in japan when they were praising her. I feel like they would have bypassed the age. I think the contestants were also very disrespectful yelling on the streets of japan like that. I bet the japanese were like "wow americans really are loud"
Hi Jessica, been watching your videos for months now and I'm a proud viewer who loves your videos. I don't know if you reacted to this episode but there was an episode where a model (Rebecca C4) faints in front of the judges and is taken to the hospital. I was wondering if you would do a reaction on that particular episode? P.S. I'm hoping to go to Japan one day for myself
A 25 year old American is too old to appeal to the Japanese market that uses infantalisation of women in clothing advertising to appeal and advertise to both men and women. Generally 25yr old Japanese women don't look 25 by US beauty standards. I don't think it was meant as a mean judgement of her age or appearance nor were they saying that 25 is too old to be a model... Just that an American over 25 would be unlikely to find work/success modeling in Japan. It is a small but crucial distinction.
He’s kinda old, and the other lady looks a bit old too. Is that why they’re style coordinators,because they’re old?! Eva did look cute, but Amanda’s ice blue eyes were so gorgeous. To think Yaya actually would have won, but she took extra time to shop for herself. No no no, you’re wasting our precious ANTM time miss Yaya.
Some of the smaller train lines run in Japanese only, which can be hard especially if you are trying to translate it and the sign flips super quick. If you ask politely though, people are very willing to help you(the young man who helped me actually pulled the train schedule up on his phone so I didn’t have to worry about it flipping away too fast). I also had a scare with my eye where a mass burst and covered my vision with floaters 2 days before I left. My ophthalmologist decided to wait til I got back to fix it so I wouldn’t risk complications while in a different country, so I can feel for that anxiety. Also you SHOULD try to learn at least some conversational language before traveling to a country, but they don’t do it “for us(US citizens).” They also get travel from Europe and ALOT of Australia(met a ton of aussies while there). I’ve traveled to countries before and heard other American travelers assume they speak English because of us and I’m like “uh…we didn’t invent the English language..”
In this case, for a Lolita style campaign, I somewhat understand that they're searching for a very young model with more soft, youthful face features. In reality, outside of ANTM they very possibly would've chosen someone of even younger age than 19.
Commenting on the Age thing: As a gamer, I was really into this game Genshin Impact thats free to play. I was very excited to learn character builds and combinations of elements yadayadayada. Well, a new character came out named Diona who was only 13. Was my favorite because she was also a Sagittarius, a cook, and was ice elemental. I went to the Genshin Impact community page so I can learn any fast ways to get more powerful. I don't want my comment to be banned but lets just say Diona was popular with the creeps. I was on the page to find help, but I was deeply sickened how some people were fine with what they were saying about a younger fictional character. I was so disgusted I stopped playing the game and left the community. They lowkey fetishize the younger people and that makes me uncomfortable.
The easiest for lolita fashion would probably be some plain basic cheap clothes and then a good second hand store with some grandma style things. A cute lil cardigan, some nice jewelry, some cute socks. And I did like Evas outfit too, it did translate as lolita x streetstyle.
Everyone is talking about the Amanda age thing, but no one is mentioning how culturally insensitive Eva was being. I didn’t find it very funny that she was screaming about everything not being in English and yelling “English people!” It’s a bit dramatic and definitely not needed. Amanda was having trouble even seeing the signs and she made out just fine! And I understand the Lolita fashion isn’t everyone’s cup of tea, but to call it ugly on TV, especially the way Eva did and especially considering she won the challenge!!! :(
Shouldn't the ANTM producers have told the MILK people, "We have 25 y.o. models, we know it's older than you like, but make an exception." What's the point if 25 means never having a chance? Om the other hand, ARIGATO JESSICA!!! I've always wondered in a general way how to compare dollars to yen! Now I know if I'm looking at Japanese websites!
When i was 25 i looked 14. When id pick my kids up from elementary school the only people who knew i was my kids'mom were the parents and other kids that i personally knew. I dont think age should matter in modeling.
I dont get why modeling should be something you have to start young.. Its not like ballet or some other sport where you have to perform som special mobility or other..
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I took the ‘25 is too old’ thing to be a polite way of saying that the model herself looked old. I personally think that model looked a lot older than 25, especially for Lolita style.
A shame Amanda didn't win because she had the most accurate outfit for lolita fashion in my opinion as someone who likes lolita fashion, it was honestly a cute casual look. Obviously not a full cord, but they had essentially $200, she wouldn't have been able to buy a decent cord. $200 is the price of many JSKs alone, don't even think about trying to buy a blouse, petticoat, or accessories. I cant be sure, but maybe they didn't choose her for wearing a competitor's fashion pieces on top of her age? I'm not sure if Milk and Metamorphose were competitors but I assume so. That or they thought her actually having a coherent look was her being 'unoriginal'. It's also wild that they sent a legally blind person in a country foreign to her to find multiple stores on her own. Out of the show's 'reality', a model with vision issues I'm sure would have someone help them navigate a city, especially one they were unfamiliar with. The hostile way this show would treat it's disabled models and claim it to be in making the playing field 'fair' is disgusting to see as always. If they really thought trying to accommodate her disability would have been unfair, they could have given all the models a guide, but of course that would take away the chance to admonish the girls who got lost and didn't make it to the meeting and we can't have that. 🙄
25 is definitely considered "old" in lolita fashion from what I've experienced. It's so overly sexualized, especially if they're like 18-19 that it doesn't surprise me the girls were treated like this.
Whilst there is definitely a problem with the obsession of youth (but honestly, the western world has the same problem), lolita fashion is NOT something sexual in Japan (except if you're a disgusting pervert). It's a fashion style that takes its inspiration from Roccoco and Victorian fashion and praise hyper feminity (tho you don't need to identify as a women to participate in the fashion!). For a lot of people, lolita fashion is actually a way to express feminity without being scared of the male gaze (basically the "lewd gaze"). It's basically a safe place. It's also mostly wore by people who are over 20 years old (a lot of them are in their 30's!) since it's really expensive. I just wanted to clarify that since @syria0110 said it made their skin crawled! 😊 (Sorry for the bad English, it's not my first language!)
@@Scholar_of_the_Dark_Arts completely agree, lolita fashion is not sexualized (except for ero lolita). Lolita fashion should not be confused with the lolita term based on the book/movies Lolita
sorry but I think you're mistaken about lolita fashion (or egl) and maybe are mixing it up with fashion based on the book/film "Lolita". Lolita fashion is actually very much the antithesis of having a sexualised appearance and there isn't an age cut off with the fashion. For example Misako Aoki, one of the most famous lolita fashion models, is 39 and still models for lolita fashion brands.
@@syria0110 Like others said, Japanese Lolita doesn't have anything to do with underage girls like the novel does. That they even asked how old the models were is so weird
Not wooden toothbrush it was wooden teeth. But even that is actually a myth. He didn’t have wooden teeth, but by time he was inaugurated, he only had one natural tooth left.
It seems so shallow to first tell a girl she is too old - which shouldn't matter for only one challenge, it's not about discovering the next model that you can portrait as your muse for the next 15 years. And afterwards he literally tells the next girl she is fat by telling her it must have been hard to find her size. Being 25 and a size 4 I now feel old, fat and extremely happy about not having those people judging me.
He wasn't saying she was fat, he was saying she was tall. Even she herself was saying it was hard to find clothes that fit her since she was so tall and therefore "bigger" than the local population.
@@sylverscale they're saying she's too old to Start off modeling if she was already a well Established model by the age of 25 than. That wouldnt be an issue.
some of the reaction's the girls had to the fashion honestly irked me. like I get that not everyone has the same taste but they are models and the reaction they had was rather rude. Also, Lolita fashion does not equal Vladamir Nabokov's Lolita. Lolita fashion comes from rococo style and while yes, it is rather childlike in some respects it is not meant to be sexual. it is feminine. The people who wear true Lolita fashion are covered up. The people who are sexualizing Lolita fashion don't know anything about it. Lolita fashion is not inherently sexual.
I hope more ppl read these kinds of comments. The amount of misconceptions going on is very sad. Like just read the wiki page ppl, it’s actually got decent info on the Lolita fashion scene!
Age is not relevant in modeling anymore. I am a model. I’m 39. I work more now than I ever did when I was younger, lol. I am repped and signed to an agency and clients have no issue with my age in a number sense. They only care that I look youthful and can pass for the look they want. Back then, they did care, but today in 2023 in America, you can model at any age now. It’s really wonderful and I hope embracing age spreads to other countries!
Sorry for being MIA the last few weeks! I'm finally back, expect lots of new commentary and reactions coming :) xoxo
You were busy playing the new zelda??
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🎉 Yaayyy!! We missed you!
Hi Jessica! You were doing your thing no need to apologize. if you needed to step away for personal or creative reasons, the subscribers and fans will be here.
Love your videos! Watched ANTM when it was on originally and cannot believe what they made seem was “normal” for photo shoots. Love re-watching with your commentary as a photographer. Gives a professional view ❤
Amanda did the smartest thing, she knew by this point in the competition that nobody was going to make accommodations for her disability so she needed to make them for herself. The ableism in this season is shocking.
So glad someone else mentioned that
I know right
If you watch some interviews she did, she mentions that the crew would purposefully refuse to let her walk stairs before a runway or know how many steps to expect because they wanted her to fall. The other girls would have to do their walk and whisper how many stairs there were to her back stage.
@@abbaddabba6100 absolutely awful, I’m glad at least some of the girls helped her out how they could 😔
100% ❤ because that was what pissed me off this season but I was so proud of her for overcoming that bullshit AND when I found out the other girls let her know info that she needed. Queens don’t let other queens fall and lose their crown 💅🏽👑🙏🏽🥰
They were sooooooo interested in her saying how cute she was.....until they heard she was 25, then they were like yeah pass, next. Which is stupid. You thought she was so cute a second ago but now all of that changed because you know her age?
Definitely the producers telling them not to accept her
In my opinion, she looked the best. Not exactly Lolita but at least she had kind of the right idea with her skirt.
Watching this from today's standards, the ageism and abelism in this show is insane.
@@sylverscale yeah, i'm hardcore into japanese street style (including lolita) and i think she was the best and it seemed like they had the best reactions with her until she told them her age
and vise versa with eva, i feel like they didn't care much until she told them she was 19
i think the pick had to do 100% with age
this is one of the reasons why people lie about their ages a lot.
Unfortunately, I had the same experience as the models here. Before I turned 25, I had many modeling jobs in Japan. I looked (and still look) much younger than I am, but as soon as I told the client I was older than 25, it was over. XD Now I'm 30 and I'm often mistaken for a foreign high school student by strangers. However, as soon as I reveal my age, they treat me like a fossil XDDD
Japanese fashion designers and Leonardo Di'Caprio have something in common
I shouldn't have but I LOL'd. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Lolita is not about the fetishization of young women and most Lolita don’t appreciate that comparison
Hmm, what could that be?!
@@KatBlaqueThe joke is about 25 being "too old" for designers and DiCaprio, not about Lolitas 😅
@@KatBlaque r/whoosh
With how fickle and shallow the fashion industry is, it doesn't surprise me at all that they have a very young age cutoff. There are times where the fashion industry is very predatorial, looking for young, naiive girls who they can groom to their standards and immediately kick out when they get "too old." It's gross
It's purely pedophilic.
that is true, many models start at 14 years old. -_-
It makes me kinda uncomfortable that adult women's fashion is modeld on literal children and teens
When the fashion industry was in their Russian Doll era😬 Very Predatory
That girl with the vision issue is so correct! I'm disabled, and I have a similar philosophy. I cant always do the most, I can't always do the things I'd like to be able to do, but I can be there on time and be put-together, and it can make a big difference.
Idk if it's a cultural thing, but the old-at-25 is definitely an ANTM thing. I remember it being an issue every so often when they had someone on who was older than 22. They'd complain about that person "photographing old." And I forget the contestant's name, but I remember one being 26 and the other girls talking about how she was already basically at the end of her career because of her age. I'm assuming now that convo was prompted by producers, but it definitely made an impression on me when I was younger and made me think the industry only wanted young people.
In Japan is also a thing, being 25 and not being married or having a boyfriend seems too bad, and people think that you are no longer beautiful. There is a really bad saying "women are like christmas cake, they are not good after 25" and I think is so gross. I have to say that this might not represent the youth, society is changing so are japanese, but some people stilll believing it :(
@@michelletirado3671 I hear this a lot online these days too, they've lowered the bar from 30 to 25 which is ridiculous. I'm 25 and I feel like this is the best I've looked lol, my teen years were note cute whatsoever. I want to say I don't really see this sentiment as much irl though, at least I hope it isn't much of a thing beyond the internet and modelling space. I mean a bunch of shows have mid/late 20's people playing teens, current "it girls" like bella hadid or jennie are also over 25, as well as a good chunk of top female streamers and the list goes on lol.
@@michelletirado3671 sad but true that this is a thing in Japan. Hell anywhere that has similar views within their cultures like this its sad and predatory.
25 being the new 30 is definitely a thing, unfortunately. I started hearing I was old once I hit 25 and consistently once I hit 27.
@@diamcole I hear you. I remember someone saying a coworker (who I didn't even like) was old at 26. I was 24 then so I didn't understand how those 2 extra years changed anything.
When I turned 27, started hearing it a lot more even though I feel like I rocked 27
"Oh 19. Still young enough for us to take advantage of you by not paying you the rate you should get by telling you you're being paid.. in.. experience!" It's all I hear when they prefer them to be young.
or even worse
I think Amanda was the closest to the Lolita fashion but they discriminated against her just because of her age.
i literally posed for "back 2 school" stuff when i was 24, this show is ridiculous lol
Well didn’t expect to find you here. 😅😂
Ariana what are you doing here
@@gingercatqueen4368 i loveeee jessica, i watch all her antm videos 😂
@@Rekowcski I do too! 😊
Keep in mind male modeling is different
as a japanese street fashion enthusiast with a particular interest in lolita, this is always so painful to watch because the girls don't try and the show doesn't try, either. $200 for a babydoll lolita look? maybe secondhand but woof
Lol fr I remember when this season came out and I was like “yea this ain’t it” even back then Lolita fashion was just expensive.
Yeah they even went to a Lolita store, I'm sure they had some ready dresses as example but the show should have explained the fashion better, so not really their fault.
I understand. But, I saw this as a challenge. Sort of like…do the best you can with little money.
@@TJ-fi7cb yea that’s a good point too. I think they had to explain the fashion better. Or better yet, they could have just asked them to do street fashion which is a more broad category and they each could have shown more personality/creativity which is what a lot of Japanese subculture fashion is about.
There's being called too old for a modelling job. Then there's being called too old by a McDonalds manager for playing in the ball pit.
Both hurt.
I can see why the judges controversially eliminated the fabulous Toccara Jones before Japan because Toccara is plus-sized, she probably wouldn't fit the clothes.
Oh, I remember that! I was like 11 or 12, and it pissed me off. Anyway, it was a recurring thing in this show that they cast a girl in the age of 25-26 just to call her "too old" later... (Then why did you cast her?!)
Because they needed to secure a certain number of storylines to use later 🫣
Either that and/or give them a makeover that explicitly makes them "photograph too old"
They called some old when they where not even 25 too, like Lisa, anyway she still looks great.
Amanda is the smart one. She figured out what she needed to do and she did it. They did Amanda dirty.
Like everything in ANTM, it was definitely a setup.
Like Jessica said, a whole outfit is super expensive so no one was actually going to match this look.
"Babydoll Lolita" wants the baby doll look (big eyes, soft features, frilly/lacy clothes, and obviously youth)
Even if Amanda had matched a little closer to the style, they 99% would have said "too old" anyway.
I was sad they didn't pick Amanda. She was genuinely interested and had an attention to detail with her styling. I know the fashion industry isn't all cuddly and stuff but it was obvious she put thought into her hair and make up (which was also very doll like, so you could see she did care about the theme) and was very respectful. As a designer I would have appreciated a model with this attitude.
Ann's outfit was cool, I esp. liked her blouse and it would have been great in a Visual Kei inspired outfit!
I liked Eva's outfit as well but it was more generally Harajuku inspired rather than being giving me specific Babydoll Lolita vibes.
Overall they were screwed with the budget they had so yeah.
But honestly I was very surprised they didn't rule out Eva right from the start, not because of her outfit but because the discrimination against dark skinned people is well documented. So I guess they weren't as discrimating in this point, which is nice.
@@miristtotallw ANTM production probably put words in their ears (and dollars) and told them the premise. Probably the case for any go-see challenge tbh. If it wasn't for the cameras, they probably wouldn't accept anyone. Agencies were hostile to many ANTM contestants and I'm sure castings were no different.
I wouldn't be surprised if they wanted certain contestants to have more positive or negative reviews. Eva being the youngest and shortest should definitely match up closer to Harajuku/Lolita concepts by default. I definitely see it working for everyone but Ann in this instance (didn't match lolita but she'd be excellent for Visual Kei like you said and her photoshoot seemed to agree). Unsurprisingly, Ann got eliminated.
I'm a gothic lolita. As the most well known lolita fashion model (Misako Aoki) turns 40 this year, and one of the most influential gothic lolita creator is most likely over 50, this is all bull :)
also I laughed cause 20K yen at Metamorphose might get you a blouse if you're lucky lmaoooo
Did you take inflation into account? Cus they apparently could afford full outfits. This episode must be about 20 years old. Though even back then, I doubt 20k yen would be enough for anything of quality if you want ANY accessories. The stuff they bought did look kind of cheap to me compared to the lolita outfits in online stores that I drooled over back then.
@@tonichan89 can attest that even back then it was expensive. I usually sewed my own stuff when I used to dress Lolita or buy second hand used clothes from other overseas Lolitas.
No its true they're saying she's too old to Start off modeling if she was already a well Established model by the age of 25 than. That wouldnt be an issue.
I love your hair today! It’s always pretty but this combo especially with the tight sides and full crown just rocks!
Cultural or not, it's still 100% ageist.
I think people are dont understand they're saying she's too old to Start off modeling if she was already a well Established model by the age of 25 than. That wouldnt be an issue.
@@ashleyshim2078 no, the people working for Milk were looking for someone to be their inspiration for a new collection and they said she was too old.
its honestly bad.
Yeah. All cultures around the world have some problematic element to them, many times embedded in tradition, it still doesn’t make it right. Culture is never an excuse.
Funfact Lolita fashion was started as a way to rebel against the idea you have to dress to be attractive to everyone else. Its based off of victorian and rococo era fashion. Its also known as egl or elegant gothic Lolita fashion.
as someone who was scouted at 12 by a modeling agency, age was definitely always a thing, as well as size obviously. I quite at 16 so I haven't experienced "running out of time" but most girls I ran into during gigs were in their early 20's at their oldest so even if no one speaks about there being a hard cutoff, it's implicit that you run out of options at a certain age
As an old school goth and anime obsessed person, I learned all about the elegant gothic Lolita style at a convention. I must have looked insane in my rocking horse shoes and petticoats at college but I think I rocked it.
This challenge actually had one of the best prizes from the show. They ended up getting mikimoto pearl necklaces.
it's actually really nice seeing a time capsule of lolita related brands like metamorphose and milk from the 00s! I wish they spent more time going into different harajuku fashion subcultures so they would have some idea of what to put together but it is antm after all smh
The "funny" thing about this is before they asked how old she was nobody knew. Beacuse a person can be soooooo hard to tell the age if by just looking at them. So if you liked their look what does age have to do with anything if you could not tell by looking at them?😮 like eva and her could be the exact same age?
Eva looks much younger than Amanda.
She doesn’t look young in the face
I'm attempting to get into the modeling industry, and like for some agencies, the cut-off is 22-24 MAYBE 25 for women but 30 for men 💀. It's so dumb. Legit, you can look like you're 18 still, but as soon as you say your age, they act like you're 80 years old. I'm "too old" even though I'm 26
I'm turning 24 in a few days and I already had a panic attack about getting "older". Damn. Logically, I know we are still very very young women. But it's like society wants women to be perpetual pubescent teenagers for life which is impossible, and.. EW. Like I wanted to compete in the women's bodybuilding "bikini" division, but I would feel so self conscious competing with 18 year olds. It's not even about people a few year younger being more "attractive". But it just seems like a lot men have this really gross obsession with the youngest woman possible. Most judges in the fitness industry are men. And they LOVE the contestants that are "only 18 years old😍". UGH. I'm on a rant but it's just annoying af.
As if there's a huge difference between how a 24-year-old looks and how a 26-year-old looks 🙄
Jessica: If you lose your way you must have your eyes closed
Amanda, blind: 😭😭😭
I'm a Japanese American and I LOVE Japanese street fashion! It's sad they thought it was a joke haha. But Asian culture and fashion is much more prominent in the west these days. So cool to share cultures with each other.
When the presenter of the challenge critiqued Ann's look, the show put on this very dramatic music. But the woman was very nice and positive still. I appreciated that. American reality tv shows play up the dramatic stress so much.
I understand that they had culture shock but it makes me sad how Ann & Eva were making fun of Japanese street fashion. “How dumb do I look?”
I'm living in Japan and I used to work as a model (for a Japanese agency). Yes, with 25, you're too old unless you have great connections or are already kind of famous. :') I look much younger than I am, but I lost many jobs after I turned 25.
I live and work in Japan so here's a: Fun filled fact. The Japanese girl bands like AKB48, when the girls are in their twenties they are called "too old" and have to "retire". They also can't publicly have boyfriends because they want to "keep" the men interested in them. So when those two designers said "too old" I don't think it's just a ANTM thing. Also those models are very luckily to find anything in their size. I can't find anything in my size and I'm 5'5" and weigh about 140ish pounds.
'He looks American, look at it, he's got glasses!'
...the Hell?
With that said, nothing like being lost in an unfamiliar environment to make sure petty drama gets squashed quick-fast.
We appreciate your dedication and consistency. We hope to see more content like this. Keep up the good work.
I hate this obsession with age. I’m a kpop fan and even being 21 is considered too old to start in that industry.
It's giving PDFile vibes.
It’s strange how the average age is getting younger now because even back in the 2000s, plenty of idols debuted in their 20s.
Boa was an exception for debuting at 13 or 14.
@@jellyrollyexcuse me baby vox, ses and finkl all had super young maknaes and members, who started the industry practice of debuting super young idols baby vox in 1998 so don't spread misinformation because debuted kids in minors in kpop has been a thing since 1st gen and if you don't believe go back and calculate the ages but don't spread misinformation. In only feels like it increased because the number of groups that debuted has increased
20.000 yen and they send them to Metamorphose. I'd be at a minus after that. 😭
When Jessica started speaking Japanese I was waiting for her to say “Campbell select soups” at the end. Lol
This is bordering on creepy. Let’s find the youngest “adult” and dress her up like a baby doll. Ick.
Huh. You do know there are adults that dress up in Lolita right?
Don’t infantilize Japanese people, thanks
It’s apart of their culture..
@@rttnmlk9013 That literally does not justify anything
Also there is a difference between culture and cult
Culture NEVER hurts people
A cult does
Just because you have a culture that does not change ANYTHING about your BASIC rights and well being
Age restriction is very common and culturally acceptable in Japan. If this was an ad on the internet, it would likely post an age limit. But it is not fair to place models who do not match the criteria the Milk people had in mind.
Man I miss my T-Mobile Sidekick! I think I had every model after the first model. I think the second model was the first model to have a color screen. Nostalgia!
This feels like the producers made up the age being too old in japan when they were praising her. I feel like they would have bypassed the age. I think the contestants were also very disrespectful yelling on the streets of japan like that. I bet the japanese were like "wow americans really are loud"
Hi Jessica, been watching your videos for months now and I'm a proud viewer who loves your videos. I don't know if you reacted to this episode but there was an episode where a model (Rebecca C4) faints in front of the judges and is taken to the hospital. I was wondering if you would do a reaction on that particular episode?
P.S. I'm hoping to go to Japan one day for myself
A 25 year old American is too old to appeal to the Japanese market that uses infantalisation of women in clothing advertising to appeal and advertise to both men and women.
Generally 25yr old Japanese women don't look 25 by US beauty standards.
I don't think it was meant as a mean judgement of her age or appearance nor were they saying that 25 is too old to be a model... Just that an American over 25 would be unlikely to find work/success modeling in Japan.
It is a small but crucial distinction.
Aw girl, as a Japanese person, I loved hearing you speak! What can’t you do, queen?
He’s kinda old, and the other lady looks a bit old too. Is that why they’re style coordinators,because they’re old?! Eva did look cute, but Amanda’s ice blue eyes were so gorgeous. To think Yaya actually would have won, but she took extra time to shop for herself. No no no, you’re wasting our precious ANTM time miss Yaya.
Some of the smaller train lines run in Japanese only, which can be hard especially if you are trying to translate it and the sign flips super quick. If you ask politely though, people are very willing to help you(the young man who helped me actually pulled the train schedule up on his phone so I didn’t have to worry about it flipping away too fast).
I also had a scare with my eye where a mass burst and covered my vision with floaters 2 days before I left. My ophthalmologist decided to wait til I got back to fix it so I wouldn’t risk complications while in a different country, so I can feel for that anxiety.
Also you SHOULD try to learn at least some conversational language before traveling to a country, but they don’t do it “for us(US citizens).” They also get travel from Europe and ALOT of Australia(met a ton of aussies while there). I’ve traveled to countries before and heard other American travelers assume they speak English because of us and I’m like “uh…we didn’t invent the English language..”
*17 by Ladytron starts playing*
She looked so cute. Poor girl!
Idk something's weird to me when they call models 25 and over "old". It gives me feeding child predator vibes just sayin...
In this case, for a Lolita style campaign, I somewhat understand that they're searching for a very young model with more soft, youthful face features.
In reality, outside of ANTM they very possibly would've chosen someone of even younger age than 19.
Commenting on the Age thing: As a gamer, I was really into this game Genshin Impact thats free to play. I was very excited to learn character builds and combinations of elements yadayadayada. Well, a new character came out named Diona who was only 13. Was my favorite because she was also a Sagittarius, a cook, and was ice elemental. I went to the Genshin Impact community page so I can learn any fast ways to get more powerful. I don't want my comment to be banned but lets just say Diona was popular with the creeps. I was on the page to find help, but I was deeply sickened how some people were fine with what they were saying about a younger fictional character. I was so disgusted I stopped playing the game and left the community. They lowkey fetishize the younger people and that makes me uncomfortable.
Yay, a new ANTM reaction video! I love your commentary, please keep these videos coming because you’re killing it! ❤
LMAO the "I'm in japan and nothing is in english!! 😱" vibe is killing me
The line “I can disappoint my family in OTHER WAYS!” has just made me subscribe. Hilarious!
This show told all of the contestants over 21 that they were old.
I never watched this show but wow, Amanda is so so gorgeous! I felt so sad for her when she said she couldn't see the signs :(
The easiest for lolita fashion would probably be some plain basic cheap clothes and then a good second hand store with some grandma style things. A cute lil cardigan, some nice jewelry, some cute socks. And I did like Evas outfit too, it did translate as lolita x streetstyle.
I love your hair style in this video! Super cute! 💕
Everyone is talking about the Amanda age thing, but no one is mentioning how culturally insensitive Eva was being. I didn’t find it very funny that she was screaming about everything not being in English and yelling “English people!” It’s a bit dramatic and definitely not needed. Amanda was having trouble even seeing the signs and she made out just fine! And I understand the Lolita fashion isn’t everyone’s cup of tea, but to call it ugly on TV, especially the way Eva did and especially considering she won the challenge!!! :(
Wow I forgot how young Eva was when she was on ANTM
Shouldn't the ANTM producers have told the MILK people, "We have 25 y.o. models, we know it's older than you like, but make an exception." What's the point if 25 means never having a chance?
Om the other hand, ARIGATO JESSICA!!! I've always wondered in a general way how to compare dollars to yen! Now I know if I'm looking at Japanese websites!
Nah, the producers definitely knew this would happen. It's always a set-up
You're not joking about lolita prices *laugh/cries in Angelic Pretty* it is why i started doing handmade.
If 25 is old! I must be ancient since I'm 38 years old
Hello fellow senior citizen. 🤣
@@sylverscale yes I'm ancient
I’m the crypt keeper 😂
Same. I am 30 lol
Jessica: The Japanese are more polite than Americans
Japanese designers to a 25 year old: You’re old.
🤣
When i was 25 i looked 14. When id pick my kids up from elementary school the only people who knew i was my kids'mom were the parents and other kids that i personally knew. I dont think age should matter in modeling.
Commercial modeling is alot less crazy in general. ANTM takes all the negatives of fashion modeling & hits it out of the park.
I dont get why modeling should be something you have to start young.. Its not like ballet or some other sport where you have to perform som special mobility or other..
Eva and Ann meeting up in the street was so cute
They always set such unrealistic expectations for these girls on their gosees because apparently Tyra’s done 25 in one day 🙄🙄
I missed u soooo much, I’m Italian (sorry for my English) I just wanted to tell u that I spent last month watching all of ur videos and u are the funniest person in the world.. loooooooove the way u deliver jokes, soooo smart and accurate, love u
I took the ‘25 is too old’ thing to be a polite way of saying that the model herself looked old. I personally think that model looked a lot older than 25, especially for Lolita style.
I love the one store method. Like just get the things at one store and work on making sure your look is put together
You look beautiful Jessica. Great video. Missed the antm reactions
A shame Amanda didn't win because she had the most accurate outfit for lolita fashion in my opinion as someone who likes lolita fashion, it was honestly a cute casual look. Obviously not a full cord, but they had essentially $200, she wouldn't have been able to buy a decent cord. $200 is the price of many JSKs alone, don't even think about trying to buy a blouse, petticoat, or accessories. I cant be sure, but maybe they didn't choose her for wearing a competitor's fashion pieces on top of her age? I'm not sure if Milk and Metamorphose were competitors but I assume so. That or they thought her actually having a coherent look was her being 'unoriginal'.
It's also wild that they sent a legally blind person in a country foreign to her to find multiple stores on her own. Out of the show's 'reality', a model with vision issues I'm sure would have someone help them navigate a city, especially one they were unfamiliar with. The hostile way this show would treat it's disabled models and claim it to be in making the playing field 'fair' is disgusting to see as always. If they really thought trying to accommodate her disability would have been unfair, they could have given all the models a guide, but of course that would take away the chance to admonish the girls who got lost and didn't make it to the meeting and we can't have that. 🙄
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25 is definitely considered "old" in lolita fashion from what I've experienced. It's so overly sexualized, especially if they're like 18-19 that it doesn't surprise me the girls were treated like this.
The minute I heard "lolita" my skin crawled
Whilst there is definitely a problem with the obsession of youth (but honestly, the western world has the same problem), lolita fashion is NOT something sexual in Japan (except if you're a disgusting pervert). It's a fashion style that takes its inspiration from Roccoco and Victorian fashion and praise hyper feminity (tho you don't need to identify as a women to participate in the fashion!). For a lot of people, lolita fashion is actually a way to express feminity without being scared of the male gaze (basically the "lewd gaze"). It's basically a safe place. It's also mostly wore by people who are over 20 years old (a lot of them are in their 30's!) since it's really expensive.
I just wanted to clarify that since @syria0110 said it made their skin crawled! 😊
(Sorry for the bad English, it's not my first language!)
@@Scholar_of_the_Dark_Arts completely agree, lolita fashion is not sexualized (except for ero lolita). Lolita fashion should not be confused with the lolita term based on the book/movies Lolita
sorry but I think you're mistaken about lolita fashion (or egl) and maybe are mixing it up with fashion based on the book/film "Lolita". Lolita fashion is actually very much the antithesis of having a sexualised appearance and there isn't an age cut off with the fashion. For example Misako Aoki, one of the most famous lolita fashion models, is 39 and still models for lolita fashion brands.
@@syria0110 Like others said, Japanese Lolita doesn't have anything to do with underage girls like the novel does.
That they even asked how old the models were is so weird
Not wooden toothbrush it was wooden teeth. But even that is actually a myth. He didn’t have wooden teeth, but by time he was inaugurated, he only had one natural tooth left.
I was like Oh...I'm turning 24 this year, and I would be considered too old
Mustard and ketchup! I SCREAMED 😂😂😂😂😂 seriously, it’s very McDonald’s.
It seems so shallow to first tell a girl she is too old - which shouldn't matter for only one challenge, it's not about discovering the next model that you can portrait as your muse for the next 15 years. And afterwards he literally tells the next girl she is fat by telling her it must have been hard to find her size. Being 25 and a size 4 I now feel old, fat and extremely happy about not having those people judging me.
He wasn't saying she was fat, he was saying she was tall. Even she herself was saying it was hard to find clothes that fit her since she was so tall and therefore "bigger" than the local population.
It was definitely about her height. The age thing was very weird, though. Totally unnecessary.
@@sylverscale they're saying she's too old to Start off modeling if she was already a well Established model by the age of 25 than. That wouldnt be an issue.
Always good to see your contents 🔥🔥🔥
Eva screaming banana in the middle of Japanese streets was so cute 😭😭😭🦥
As a 26 year old, I always joke that I’m way too old for ANTM and Leo lol
"A lot of the signs are IN Japanese."
Weird. Almost like you're in Japan.
some of the reaction's the girls had to the fashion honestly irked me. like I get that not everyone has the same taste but they are models and the reaction they had was rather rude. Also, Lolita fashion does not equal Vladamir Nabokov's Lolita. Lolita fashion comes from rococo style and while yes, it is rather childlike in some respects it is not meant to be sexual. it is feminine. The people who wear true Lolita fashion are covered up. The people who are sexualizing Lolita fashion don't know anything about it. Lolita fashion is not inherently sexual.
I hope more ppl read these kinds of comments. The amount of misconceptions going on is very sad. Like just read the wiki page ppl, it’s actually got decent info on the Lolita fashion scene!
It grosses me out that some of the models were treating Japan like it was beneath them just because they're American.
Watching this at 30 is blowing my mind. I’m an ancient artifact. 🤣
😂😂😂 Same
Age is not relevant in modeling anymore. I am a model. I’m 39. I work more now than I ever did when I was younger, lol. I am repped and signed to an agency and clients have no issue with my age in a number sense. They only care that I look youthful and can pass for the look they want. Back then, they did care, but today in 2023 in America, you can model at any age now. It’s really wonderful and I hope embracing age spreads to other countries!
All the girls showing the style in the beginning looked cute.
George Washington had wooden teeth, ha ha ha.
This is the best way to watch ANTM.
She may be 25 but her outfit is really the best lolita in my opinion
I think it’s because she looked older than 25
The Japanese street fashions feel very 2000s. Is there an age limit for models or something? It's so weird!
This was filmed in the 00s so it makes sense that the styles looked dated! Not many dress like this anymore
What happened again? I was too distracted by your gorgeous hairdo! 😍😍
They’re literally living my dream being giving money to go shopping in lolita stores in Japan and to be able to show it off to designers
Jessica I will not take this slander against socks and sandals, ok? I simply will not take it! 😡😂😂
Jessica your hair looks so pretty 😊
I'm legally a ghost. 👻
i love your hairstyle! you look so pretty🥰
Amanda played the game well in this challenge.
Welp, I'm nearing retirement, and I didn't even know it.
I’m surprised this wasn’t sponsored by square space!