Why Faith No More Fired Jim Martin & Whatever Happened to Him?
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- Why Faith No More Fired Jim Martin and whatever happened to the guitarist?
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Best known for his ten year stint in the group Faith No More Jim Martin would be the group’s guitarist from 1983 to 1993.. Faith No More would break up in 1998 and reform in 2009, but strangely enough Martin wasn't a part of the reunion. Why’d he leave the group and what happened to him? Well one of the answers will surprise you and that’s what were going to discuss in today’s video.
Immediately recognizable due to his red trimmed glasses, his bushy beard and long hair, Jim Martin was born in the bay area and spent the early part of his musical career playing in a band called Vicious Hatred, which also featured future metallica bassist Cliff Burton. By 1982 drummer Mike Bordin, keyboardist Roddy Bottum and bassist Billy Gould formed Faith No More, which was named after a greyhound the bandmembers said they had bet on. MTV would report that Cliff Burton urged Martin to audition for the group. Taking his advice he did and got the gig. In their early years group struggled to find a vocalist, instead played gigs using an open mic policy whereby they invited a member of the audience to front the band each night. Not exactly a winning strategy to make it in the music business. One frequent attendee of the band’s early shows was singer Chuck Mosley who performed with the band several times and soon enough he became the group’s frontman.
Mosley’s time fronting the band would last about half a decade seeing the group put out two albums 1985’s We Care a Lot,and 1987’s Introduce Yourself. However Mosley’s volatile behavior and internal conflicts led the group to fire him before the end of the decade. By early 1989 having assembled a majority of the music for their third album, the band held auditions for a replacement finding Mike Patton. Patton at the time was playing in his outfit Mr. Bungle and within a week of getting the job he’d complete the lyrics for their third album the Real Thing.
The Real THing would be the group’s commercial breakthrough producing two hits in Epic and Falling to Pieces and the album went platinum in America selling over a million copies.
The band followed that up with 1992’s Angel Dust a record that would be guitarist Jim Martin’s last with the group. The album would sell about half as many copies as it’s predecessor going gold and marked a change in sound Angel Dust was the first album where Patton had a bigger influence on the music and rumors soon swirled in the music mags that Martin clashed with his bandmates about the title of the album, musical direction and things reportedly got so bad that some of Martin’s guitar parts were stripped from the record (at least that was a rumor for a long time).
Martin would talk to Kerrang in 1992 during the making of the record.
When asked whether Angel Dust was an enjoyable experience he’d rspond
Absolutely not, it's been an unpleasant experience from the very
beginning! It's been very unpleasant, but not really much different to my experiences in making records with Faith No More. It's very difficult to say it all in a short amount of time. "There's certain things
that certain people worry about at certain times, and certain other people choose to play upon it to increase the tension of a given situation until everything's way out of hand."
Angel Dust' would only have one song written by Martin. He wouldn’t attend rehearsals or meetings with the rest of the group opting to have the band send him tapes so he could add his guitar parts later. In all honesty it wasn’t too different from how faith no more recorded their previous records. Once Angel Dust was released in the summer of 1992, If you read a lot of the rock publications who spent time with the band on the road in early to mid 1993 you can see a lot of them writing about the internal tensions between Martin and the rest of the band.
Kerrang would write in their february 1993 issue about faith no more. While vocalist MIKE PATTON was taking an increasingly strong grip on the band's lyrical and musical direction, guitarist and
Excellent job on your vid. Some corrections: 1) Patton wrote all the lyrics and melodies for The Real Thing in 2 weeks (not 1 week). 2) The band didn't send Jim tapes for him to record his guitar parts on, he recorded them at Toast Studios, in San Francisco, where the rest of Angel Dust was recorded by the other band mates. 3) Jim didn't relocate into Castro Valley, he always lived there. 4) I unfortunately, and erroneously, downplayed Jim's guitar playing on Angel Dust in interviews out of pure frustration but the truth of the matter is that he played 100% of all the guitars on the album. I've since recanted my statements, apologiezed to Jim, and continue to set the record straight. 5) For personal reasons pertaining to Jim, the band and I offered to wait to start making Angel Dust but he brushed us off and we thought we were moving forward. Unfortunately, despite moving the rehearsal studio from San Francisco (where the band lived and where I was staying) to Oakland to accommodate Jim (living in Castro Valley), he rarely (possibly never?) showed up for rehearsals and fine tuning the songs for Angel Dust. We were absolutely, 100% prepared when we went in to record The Real Thing and the band and I didn't want to waste money/studio time, wanted to be prepared, when we recorded Angel Dust.
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This should be a pinned comment.👆
Matt - Much respect for coming clean about Jim's guitar playing during Angel Dust. As a lifelong fan, I like others were disappointed when the band decided to fire Jim by fax. While they did not get along especially towards the end, I always felt it was unprofessional to end the relationship after all the success they enjoyed together. This is still an open wound for many fans and probably the reason why the band and Jim did not reunite for the reunion tour. My guess is that Jim made an error in not communicating the distraction he felt due to the death of his father. I also read that Jim preferred to figure out his guitars parts in advance and join the band at the studio for their benefit - perhaps just a quirk on his part or poor communication which they were known for. Somehow an exceptional album was still recorded. Overall, I believe Bill Gould missed his opportunity as the band leader to bring closure for the band, Jim, Chuck, and their fans at the reunion tour.
It's awesome seeing the man,the myth, the legend on here. Matt, thank you for contributing to a part of my (and everyone in the comments) life. Hope 2024 is good for you
You are tooooooooo kind. I'm a man, there are probably myths about me but I'm certainly no legend. Bands and artists can be legends, us behind-the-scenes people are supporting cast. Thanks for the kind words, though.@@SixStringFiasco
Jim is the best guitarist FNM will ever have. I hope he see's these comments and see all the love! What a legend. Much love brother Jim!
Jim definitely grows the biggest pumpkins of anyone in the band.
I’ll give him that.
I think Patton was the main reason for this. Good as Mike Patton was for the band he ran one of the best parts of the band out.
They hated each other. Jim treated Patton like a kid and not a serious musician. But from what I understand, Billy Gould is the one that has always stirred everything up between members. Could be wrong, but that’s the rumor.
@@eddthewordsmith I could see that. But honestly Patton acted immature and didn't take anything seriously at that point especially. Just being real.
Patton didn’t run Jim out. There was a huge growing rift between Jim and the rest of the band.
The bloke is so under rated, especially for what he put in to make FNM what it became.
His look alone is iconic and I remember as a kid when Epic came out, id be looking in magazines and the guy with the red glasses would have me going back to read the article.
If you’re a wrestling fan as well there was an ECW fan that copied his look
@@JoelChavez6121 I think Jim Martin would have made a great wrestling character.
3:13 taht's our footage of Jim's Band Behemoth. I see you used a lot of it. All good just please credit us in the description. Thanks!
Jim was the soul of FNM…. just wasn’t the same without him
They could really use Jim now. No offense to John Hudson. But Jim makes killer riffs.
I remember getting Angel Dust without first hearing any songs based solely off how much I enjoyed The Real Thing. By "Smaller and Smaller", I remember wondering if I made a mistake. But honestly, it's one of those albums that grows on you with each listen and is by far my favourite FNM album. It's just brilliant from start to finish.
Same here. "Midlife Crisis" was the only track I listened to on that album. It took years for Angel Dust to grow on me. I can't say as much for their last release though.
Yes. Angel Dust is one of the best rock albums ever released in my opinion.
Agreed. And the album still sounds as great 30 years later
@@jonjons1 Yeah it really holds up and doesn’t sound dated. That said, I rarely listen to contemporary metal so I’m probably not the best to be making that call.
@@OldAussieAds Angel Dust and AIC Dirt are the two albums I still regularly listen to from that era. I still hear something new every time I listen. Modern music is dying a slow death, along with most other art. Being taken over by computers.
The Real Thing and Angel Dust are pure masterpieces. FNM sound simply wasn't the same after Jim's departure
I agree he helped make the band weird good vs just weird. He added the right edge to them and keep them a little more grounded and organic sounding
I agree. His guitar approach made the compositions appeal to a bigger, hard rock audience. He probably left at a good time all things considered. He made his mark and FNM eventually fell off not long after he was gone. They tried out Geordie from Killing Joke and Justin Broderick (Godflesh) to replace Jim which would've been interesting.
Agreed. These two are the best.
Call me pedantic but Epic is a song and Angel Dust is an album, are you suggesting that only the song epic is a masterpiece or do you think the album, "The Real Thing" is called Epic?
@@Ridd333 Higher than a hippie in a helicopter. Fixed! 😆
I was Jim's guitar tech for the first six or so months of The Real Thing touring cycle. Very fun guy to work for.
Sounds like am awesome gig!
You should have been in one of the old Budweiser " Real American Hero's" commercials.
" WE SALUTE YOU, MR. KEEPING JIM MARTIN'S AWESOME GUITAR TONE UP AND RUNNING MAN"
In all seriousness that sounds like such a cool opportunity, something to be proud of, and I imagine being able to watch Jim kick ass every night didnt suck..
That’s awesome! Did he shit can you though? No shame if so. A Tech can be a really personal thing sometimes & you gotta dig each other on a personal level.
No you weren't.👎👎🤣
@@saltpeter7429 more like Them should be in one of the new Budweiser ads with Dylan Mulvaney
i hit on the guitar guy in tom azzopardi's basement on irc and yahoo i called him triple dick perpetual war he was like"get your own cab to the strawberry festival you old bag!"
He's a legendary character, a legendary guitar sound, a legendary pumpkin grower. The cool thing was he never went crying to the press about Patton which he could have easily done. Big Sick Ugly Jim Martin, a legend.
He also had the best line in the second Bill and Ted movie!
Love Big Jim! His character and guitar skills are epic!
He was cool enough to be in Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey, iconic look. His guitar work was fantastic, lead harmonies, riffs, songwriting all stellar. Best wishes to him.
Always remember the church of faith no more ❤
@@MrBeauChat praise be the rock
@@tomstruct Station!!! 🎸🤘
Hell Yeah
Such a badass guitar tone. The riff at the end of zombie eaters
Straight up man. That tone was otherworldly. Zombie Eaters is unreal. And Surprise! You’re Dead just has some of my favorite guitar work ever. And the big resonating chords in Falling To Pieces. Such a phenomenal player, man.
Jim Martin absolutely rocks. He has some mean riffs.
Mostly not his, though
Awesome tone too
Most (not all) of those riffs were written by Bill Gould. In fact, Bill played guitar on Another Body Murder from the Judgment Night soundtrack along with a few others when Jim wasn't present or had already left the band. That's why they thought Dean Menta would be a good fit because he was Jim's guitar tech.
He's awesome
Imagine FNM with Cliff Burton on bass and a FNM version of For Whom The Bell Tolls
This guy was at every metal show in San Jose in the 90's. I met him several times and shook his hand a few times too. He actually got me to listen to FNM because of how cool he was.
He would hang at Apple Jack's in LA Honda quite a bit too.
You also saw him at loads of WWF and ECW shows.
well fuck me! looks like I'm wearing the JEALOUS pants, cause thats pretty fuckin awesome! he has a very magical way with a guitar! in One of many other parallel universe's he is still in Faith No More. "the sound was mezmerizing". where for art thou "JizzLobber"😇💫
@@davidhunt1350 yeah he was always really cool
If ya want i can tell ya story about him that will make your jealousy pants inflate
@@CoinSlotKitty yes please, 😌👍👌
Poor Jim. He was part of one of the most innovative bands and part of what may be one of the best progressive rock albums ever, I even think it's one of the best albums ever all stop. I don't think he really did gel with the rest of the band. As an 11 year old who'd just discovered his love for heavy music and hadn't yet purchased And Justice for All, the guitar part in Epic was what drew me in and my favorite track off the album was "Surprise! You're Dead!". By the time Angeldust came out I'd broadened my horizons, so I loved the entire thing, but still really really loved what is likely the band's heaviest song "Jizzlobber", which is a monster of a track. While not "brootal" by today's standards it still has enough bite to put most other songs to shame. Jim was just in the wrong band really. I mean calling Angeldust a "gay disco" is a little rough. I think his ideas were probably mostly ignored. He probably just wanted to rock out and write heavy guitar parts, not create an album that was at the very least 15 years ahead of the curve. Seriously I can't say enough good things about that album.
Jim was really the perfect guitarist for them (9 years strong), he was just dealing with the death of his father and on-top of that couldn't deal well with the media attention during the recording. Even after he was fired none of the internal issues fully got settled; They were imploding and considered quitting during and after the King for a Day album.
@@Splattermelt I mean, they are a very rhythm driven band. Drums and bass and keys for melody. Pretty sure Bottom or Gould stated that guitar did not matter that much in FNM.
I think "Angel Dust" was definitely their finest moment. (Jim did a pretty good job playing the guitar on that record despite having a different vision than the band did for their direction in terms of sound)
I don’t know, as much as I love Patton and the rest of the band…They were probably arseholes if you didn’t fit in to their world and what they wanted you to do. They definitely undervalued Jim’ contributions. I like the following albums, but none of them hold a candle to TRT or AD.
@@lockyp204Mike Bordin did “The Trap Set” podcast with Joe Wong and it’s a really good time
Jim was a massive influence on my early years of becoming a musician. It's saddening to see how he was treated and eye opening about how personally it was to deal with him. At the same time I can't say I wouldn't have acted just like Jim. Incredible talent and complexity underrated. I for one think Jim's work will forever stand the test of time........STATION!
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Jim Martin Appreciation Thread! LETS GO BIG JIM
Nobody remembers those guys now..
Yes. He grows spectacular pumpkins
Check out Milk and Blood. It's not a bad album. Some good heavy riffs.
@@russfoulkes5490 I was just gonna say this.
I can’t see Mike Bordin joining in
His guitar tone in FNM has been irreplaceable. Was awesome to watch live too.
I once met Jim at Rock City, Nottingham in the early '90's, he was a good guy, easy to talk to, down to earth and very knowledgeable about music in general, a nice guy, I wish him well in all he does.
I was at that gig. I saw them at Reading the same year (1990, I think?). They were a great live act. Rock City was a brilliant venue. I saw loads of fantastic bands there back then & like you said, many of them were more than happy to have a can of Red Stripe with fans after their gigs.
I was at all gigs mentioned.
One thing I will say about him is. He’s. Great guy …
I always was impressed by his ability to come up with a guitar track to a basic rap track. It's not the same as having a chord chart to follow along with that has multiple chord changes. It takes a lot of creativity to fill a song with guitar tracks that have whole verses that boil down to one chord like some of their songs.
He is so cool!! and a cameo in Bill and Ted 🖤
*STATION!*
@@Skorpio420 Station
Faith No More really never was the same without Martin. Angel Dust was a great exit for him. It was the pinnacle of the group’s journey.
I don't know, I really enjoyed King For a Day, Fool For a Lifetime.
@@red.5475 yeah King was good, but there was a big Jim Martin shaped hole by the time they got to Album of the Year.
@@DystopianJoe AOTY is still a great record. It's my second least favourite but I still love it. I would actually call it a Trey shaped hole. FNM's shit is fucking amazing compared to most bands..
Agreed, Jim's guitar was integral to the band's sound. The stand-ins were ok but it always felt like they were lacking some magic ingredient... FNM's loss was the pumpkin farming enthusiasts gain however
@@arthurdent6828 just imagine that Jim Martin guitar chug on Stripsearch and Ashes though
JIM MARTIN, was for ,FAITH-NO-MORE exactly what SLASH is FOR, GUNS-'N'-ROSES. the perfect sound!
Angel dust is one of the best rock albums ever imo
Honestly the main issues seemed to be between Martin, Gould, and Patton. I remember hearing that apparently Gould reached out to Martin for the reunion, but he made some kinda joke/reference about being kicked out, Gould felt that was weird and subsequently uninvited him. Patton always runs his mouth even if he loves whoever it is he’s talking about, but that seemed to cause tension between him and Martin. I honestly think the biggest factor was the fact that Martin’s dad died right before Angel Dust started production. Martin became incredibly withdrawn and didn’t even tell the other members until way later. I can’t remember the interview I read that in, but yeah apparently when they found out they were like “shit we wish you told us sooner” but at that point there was too much of a rift between them so it kinda had to happen.
Yeah. It was conflict inside the band. Musical differences, also. Gould also said that Jim "was a real contentious person in the band, but I loved him…" when talking about the reunion... I understand that as "he had opinions and wouldn't shut up."
Just imagine the flammable discussions between Gould, Bottum, Martin and Patton lol
@@redacted2275 Those guys are philosophically (and probably politically) on opposite ends of the spectrum. It wasn't Gould that said that he loved Big Jim, it was Roddy. Neither Gould or Bordin was exactly thrilled with the idea of reuniting with Jim Martin.
I always associate Faith No More's guitar sound with Jim Martin.
It's epic!
Faith No More was not named after "a greyhound they bet on". The original name was Faith No Man, and a friend of Billy the bass player suggested Faith No More.
There’s truth to both claims actually. But you are right about Faith No More being a derivative of Faith No Man. The greyhound bit played a part before that change took place, if I’m not mistaken. I read it not too long ago, but can’t remember every detail.
The band was pretty well known for making up stories about the genesis of their name - the greyhound story being one of them. The most likely explanation is when the singer from their Faith No Man days left, they changed their name to Faith No More because "the Man" was "No More."
Original original name (with Mike Morris on guitar) was Sharp Young Men
Best album: Introduce Yourself.
(It's a 'The Bends' / 'Ride The Lightning' type thing)
That album never gets the love it truly deserves.
Rufus brought him to the future, he got stuck there when Dinomolos sent bad robots Bill & Ted back to the past
Incredible guitar player. Definitely huge part of their sound. Runs a gun shop in home town. Oh, and, STATION!
Forgot about him being in Bill and Ted Bogus Journey!!!!
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STAAAAAATIOOOON
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As a huge FNM fan, I always thought it was unfortunate Jim & the rest of the band couldn't reconcile. His playing was such an integral part of their sound. PS: No mention of courteney love being their singer briefly before Chuck joined?
@@deconstruction3397 He did play all of the guitar parts. That he didn't was a rumor started by Matt Wallace that people still repeat despite Wallace apologizing for it. Jim didn't write as much on this album as he did previously, however he came up with the music for Kindergarten & Jizzlobber.
He was definitely their best guitarist but to me FNM is really all about Puff and Gould. Laying down solid rhythm is really what set these guys apart and what influenced the later 90s bands.
I whole heartedly agree. No disrespect to Trey or even Lurch (John Hudson) but Jim had a great iconic sound that meshed so well with Bordin n Goulds heavy groovy sound.
I think he was in the wrong band and I don't think they listened to much of his input. Angeldust is one of the best progressive rock albums ever, but I get the feeling he would have preferred more Jizzlobber and less RV or Be Aggressive. I can't say that I'd want an entire album of Jizzlobber type tracks because you'd just miss out on so much variety, but it is maybe my favorite song from it, so I do wish they would have let him loose on a few more songs. The guitar tone he got on it is incredible. Coupled with the errie keyboards and Patton's ludicrous vocal range that song just punches you in the face.
I ABSOLUTLEY LOVE JIZZLOBBER!!! What A FUCKING JAM!!!
Later 90’s bands? Do you think Korn’s debut album sound was influenced by Angel Dust? I think Korn wouldn’t ever have sounded that way without it.
@@WhyTheHorseface Definitely, I always thought Jon David got half his style from Midlife Crisis alone (as well as the crazier vocal stuff Mike likes to do live)
It's a weird world when Jim Martin is now in a clown-themed funk metal band and Mr. Bungle is playing thrash again.
That last Mr. Bungle album really caught me off guard. It's so damn good! The Raging wrath of the Easter Bunny demo? I think that's what it's called. So killer, I've got to get a copy if it, thanks for reminding me!
lol, good call.
Angel Dust is not only FNMs best album but one of the best albums I've ever heard, pity Jim had to go as he was part of the iconic line up and brung a real "Metal Edge" to the music.
Agreed !!👌
I agree, but the fact that he wrote so little in it and that he feels it is too contrived shows that he was not 100% ready to be part of the evolving stance of FNM.
The man's enjoying his family life and his passions, nothing but respect.
Then Geordie Walker almost joined, but that’s another (drama) story all together..
Bands are always full of fights and discord. It's a miracle that a band can stay together long enough to last a couple albums.
Timothy B Schmidt said something like every band I’ve ever been in was two weeks away from breaking up
@@prd004.2 I believe it!
Is it me or does Patton has a way of taking over bands? The situation seems similar with Dead Cross. He stepped in and did the vocals on the finished first album and it was great. The second album seemed like he had a ton of his influence. To me, it was a different animal. Not bad, just notably different, like it's very much a Patton record.
Jim Martin was such a huge part of FNM. He really gave them an edge they never had since. His riffery is on par with James Hetfield, and somewhat similar in feel. They both do some great syncopated stuff I really love, and create some of the biggest riffs ever.
I remember reading about the Guns N Rose's tour that FNM opened on, I think it might have been in Duff or Slash's book, about how Mike Patton would take the stage and run his mouth about how lame Guns N Rose's were. I dont care if people agree with him nor not, it was EXTREMELY rude and unappreciative. I read that Jim Martin and some of the Guns guys had to approach him a few times and say " If we are so lame, why did you take the tour? Tone it down or your off the tour".
Apparently that had no effect and they were kicked off.
That story helps me empathize with Jim Martin. A lot of bullshit to deal with.( I dont think he was fixated on being the trendy " too cool for school" kid, he wanted to play heavy guitar and have fun.)
I like Mike Patton in Mr Bungle but not as much with FNM for some reason
@@leosuniverseHuh? Guns N Roses set you up to be raped?
@@masterknife8423Yep. Chuck was better. It's a shame he couldn't get his shit together.
@@solearesoul Yes, a guy from their camp. Another guy that was part of gnr song writing was tied to another perp that harmed me weeks later. But everyone up in here has issues. Mike was force kissing fan guys face an other conduct. Everyone oked this stuff. No sympathy for us in this buisness,. Everyone has been a mega socio bully to me. Just because of this stuff. I was with the Alice coopers camp starting a kid. They are pedos.
the big irony is despite his demeanor as the meathead metal guy, he was by far the weirdest person in the band musically
I saw a FNM video of on outdoor venue where a fan threw a piss jug on stage and Jim poured it on his head. Immediately after dozens of more piss jugs were thrown to the stage.
Weird? You mean dumb.
He was the dumbest guy in the band by a mile.
And lazy.
He went on to be the head of the Faith No More Spiritual and Theological Center.
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@@ryklatortuga4146 STATION
Don't forget he was also knighted
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When the band disses on their star guitar player. Makes no sense. You can't order up a great guitar player like ordering up a cheeseburger.
One can be great but not a right fit.
This guy could be a stunt double in a Cheech an Chong movie. Oh and he can also be a awesome guitarist in anyone's band.
That Kerrang cover: Mr. Big, Deicide, and Therapy?. What a lineup
They didn't fire him he left
The band wanted it all but couldn't have it
no, the name 'faith no more' came from 'faith no man' the previous name, how would you get this wrong?
You forgot that he joined Infectious Grooves, which is a major oversight on your part.
Jim was a character and that shone through in his guitar playing with FNM. His quirky metal style was a part of their sound as much as Mike Bordin's rhythms were. I was really disappointed when he wasn't part of the reunion. I guess they sensed he still harbored some resentment from the past and decided it wasn't worth it. A grand opportunity missed.
According to them he sent them a contract and they didn’t want any of that for the reunion so they stopped conversations with him.
@@Malum09 In an interview, Roddy, the keyboardist said he made a call to Jim to tell him about the reunion tour and asked if he was interested. Jim said yes and didn't even have a problem playing songs they made after he left. As the conversation ended, Jim made a remark about sending the contract to his fax machine. Roddy interpreted this snide remark as a negative because that was the way FNM fired him. Based on that 1 phone call, they decided not to go with Jim. I think the band was still insecure about the reunion and bringing in a character like Martin made that even more questionable.
And now, after 30 years, I realize why Martin was my favorite. 💜
It’s Sir James Martin. Show some respect.
Jim got treated poorly, they blamed his old man and lack of commitment but no real difference to Roddy’s heroin issues and Mike’s mental health issues. Let’s keep it real as much as l love him Patton clearly didn’t like the bloke
FNMs best material is unquestionably with Martin; loved Spruance on King for a Day but otherwise... Jim is the guy... But he's not.
Man! RN'RTS must have read my mind, I've been on a Jim Martin kick lately listening to a lot of his stuff. Yea, there isn't a lot of recent interviews and stuff with Jim, truly an underrated and under appreciated Guitarist. I'd love to see and hear more from him.
What a shock. The label clowns fucked up the whole program, and Patton was in the middle to egg it on. Precisely what I would have assumed if I hadn't seen this.
I saw them at the Cambridge Corn Exchange in Nov 92 on the Angel Dust tour, we met Jim in the pub next door. He was happier in there, with a pint of beer, chatting with us for an hour or two about sports, guitars,... anything other than FNM and we respected that. Lovely bloke. But we weren't surprised that he left the band after that tour, it felt like he'd already checked out as we just chatted.
The absolute real and honest truth is….. Jim literally couldn’t keep up with the band. Period. It ALL boiled down to him not being as talented as was needed after, The Real Thing. FnM didn’t want to do another RT record. Everyone agreed after TRT, to keep each forthcoming album different from the last. Every record was going to be completely different and wouldn’t follow the previous models. That’s the truth. From an insider.
From what I recall, Jim Martin didn't like the direction FNM was going on with 'Angel Dust'.
And they did the classy early 90's thing of firing him by Fax.
Angel Dust is one of the finest albums ever made, period.
Even tho Album Of The Year was one of FNM’s best albums the band was never the same without him. The older I get the more I appreciate Chuck Moseley era as well. So many great records even though the band is constantly changing key members that would kill most others
So you e just destroyed your own point
Angel Dust, The Real Thing and King for a Day were all much better records than Album of the Year .. It's a good record, but no way is it even close to their "Best" record. 😂
only fnm album worse than album of the year is sol invictus
@@Fiveash-Art people have their opinions, the records of fnm that I play the most would go angeldust, album of the year, king for a day, in that order.
@@RyanMcCarvill People have their opinions? Really? 👍🏻
Courtney love was hired to front FNM for like a week
Jim Fuckin Martin! Thanks for your time.
Surprise Your Dead is a masterpiece
Saw him at the Whisky with the original Infectious Grooves lineup. Great show!
He was never there pal.
The simple answer is the guy was just too cool to be in the band...
FNM was an absolute powerhouse, right up until the moment Jim Martin departed
Jim was too cool for FNM. Patton couldn't handle someone being more popular.
"Sir James Martin, head of the Faith No More Spiritual and Theological Center" -Rufus
STATIONNNNNNN!!
basically, he left because he wanted to spend more time on the albums and the label wanted to hurry it along. the rest of the band was okay with it, he wasn't.
Jim's sound unifies and defines the first four albums. I think everyone probably admits that FNM was just never the same after. Personally, my favorite FNM albums are the Chuck albums, but I think everyone's favorites are the Jim albums.
Jim Martin should have hooked up with Les Claypool.
"Be Aggressive, Be, Be Aggressive, A-G-G-R-E-S-S-I-V-E" Love that song. Angel Dust is easily one my favorite Faith No More albums
It's always been hilarious to me that they managed to get away with a metal song about giving submissive oral sex to a guy and include chanting cheerleaders on it. In 1992. I'm not surprised if that made Jim uncomfortable back then. Such a special band, so far ahead of their time.
I have always wondered how they managed to do that. But the kids are just saying be aggressive and go fight win. That's how they did it.
Made it out to be something it isn't.
I'm sure the kids that did it are proud!
Mike Patton and Jim Martin seem to split on the heavy metal line; Jim being for more of it. Reminds me of Van Halen's guitar riffs vs. vocals. The Real thing and We Care A Lot are the real classics imo. STATION!
I had heard an interview where he totally blamed Mike Patton for taking over the group, not making it fun anymore by changing the nature of the group to being too serious and less punk.
Ironic, because it was Martin that first suggested him as a replacement for Chuck, based on some early Mr Bungle demos. Honestly, as much of a creative genius and talented vocalist as Patton is, he's always been capable of being a bit of an arrogant jerk. But I think blaming any one person for why Jim left the band is foolish. Every single on of them has their own foibles and ideas of what they should be, and they all admit that none of them are great communicators.I think they all contributed to the fractiousness in different ways. Besides the core three of Bill, Puffy and Roddy, they were't long-time friends that grew up together or whatever; they were a weird mix of characters and always had trouble finding the people they wanted to work with. It's truly a miracle they held together long enough to give us so many amazing albums.
I read a story a long time ago Cliff Burton and him would jam together. I think he said they would record it just messing around. If those recordings exist id love to hear them. Idc how shitty the quality is.
Martin, Bordin, Burton and Kirk Hammett were all in high school bands together.
Jim has been missed by everyone out there with a taste for the raw strenght he delivered... Long live Jim Martin!..!
Better get your facts straight, he chose to leave, contributed a lot more than he is credited for, he didn’t like the album execs being pushy and not having artistic control, without the artists, we have no albums or music. He’s done a Q & A a few years ago now and addressed everything. This is click bait bs……..
GNR, TOOL and Faith No More are my favorite bands!!
Sad story...Jim Martin influence on FNM is so obvious, that after Angel Dust it was like listening to another band... maybe not worse but definitely different... and definitely lacking that special unique vibe...
STATION!!!
sounds like the FNM guys are just a bunch of jerks when it comes to Jim Martin. No sense of loyality or humbleness. I am sure most FNM fans would prefer to see Jim back in the band to just some other guy.
The sound definitely suffered without Jim Martin.
It was their loss entirely. I completely lost interest after he left. They became a lame MTV band after that.
Another great FNM video! I loved the way Jim's locomotive riffs would play off Roddy's ethereal keys...such absolutely inspiring soundscapes
Gould wrote those riffs & showed them to Jim. That’s been verified by everyone in the studio except Jim.
Wow - thank you for this. I always wondered what happened to Jim. I guess it was an illusion (personal) that every guy in FNM had IT MADE after The Real Thing and Angel Dust. It is cool that he moved away and became a pea and pumpkin farmer.
Without Martin fnm were like robin without batman. His guitar parts although limited in Angel dust were amazing. Any balls the band had were gone when Patton's influence on the band squeezed him out. Not enough credit and respect was given to Martin for his contribution to the band and their sound.
The guitar player is the one that sets the birth tone of a band, so Jim should be credited for the sound of faith no more, after he left they the band was no more...
Roddy is definitely the peacemaker of the band.
Gotta love Big Jim wearing a Fear Factory shirt.....
the best time of fnm was with jim. I prefer the records with jim and chuck than the patton ones without the jim.
The thing that i know about Fatso is that he's retires from FNM after dad's death, and began a farmer life in Maxwell Ranch (The final place from our beloved Cliff Burton).
Fatso plays in "Garage Inc" and the 30 anniversary shows from Metallica.
Martin carried We Care A Lot and Introduce Yourself. His guitar work was (no pun intended) epic. TRT was probably the most perfect album I've ever heard. I've bought it like 5 or 6 times across different media. AD was incredible, but it took me years to like all of it... still not sure if I do. After Martin left, I pretty much did too. It never sounded the same. His style definitely was defining for the group.
The Real Thing is good, just wish they had trimmed the fat and added Sweet Emotion and The Cowboy Song on it instead of Underwater Love or Woodpecker lol.
Dude, Jim is awesome!! Dude rocked FNM, and it sucks he left.
I was at Brixton academy for the live dvd
After they fired Martin they fell off big-time for me. He completed the unit, and had the riffs. Obviously.
Martin sounds extremely lucid in his descriptions on exactly what went down. That lends a lot of credibility to what he's saying. He might have been contentious in the group but it sounds like being in the group was a pain in the ass.
I think what happened was that he was an OG metalhead while the other guys were more into the then emerging Alternative scene, supposedly Bordin hated him even back when he was with him and Cliff Burton in a band and reluctantly agreed to let him join FNM on Burton’s advice.
I love Patton, and many place him high-high up on the pedestal, but his antics and immaturity were at its worst during this period of TRT & AD. He was of course 19&up, but for JIm that must've been difficult to deal with after your father's death and all of the unwanted media attention on AD. Then you have to add in the relationship with the other members in the band.
@@Splattermelt he was truly a brat during those days, funnily enough Jim pushed for Patton to join the band after listening to the Raging Wrath of the Easter Bunny demo, but in the end their feud was what triggered his exit from the band.
@@Malum09 Martin coined the nickname "Puffy", which Bordin despised. Maybe that's why he hated him?
@@mikespearwood3914 yup, mostly likely
Big Jim’s school band project was with Cliff Burton, they even played a Metallica riff way before it was on any album.
There is a lengthy documentary on the making of Angle dust. It’s pretty clear in it that his and their musical interests and directions were totally at odds and that Jim HATED what they were they were headed musically. I think he said he wanted to be a straight forward metal band and not make this “weird shit”. I think his leaving was inevitable but the tension and disagreement resulted in something pretty awesome
Jim's departure at the time was my first huge band disappointment (didn't get into Jane's until a year after they broke up). But King was good, and sounds like the band could not continue as it was. Rock on, Jim!
Does anybody remember his cameo in BILL & TED’S BOGUS JOURNY? Staaaation!!!!
The singer and bassist are egomaniacs. That’s why