a good chucker can throw anything, like pretty much any sport it is 99% technique and 1% equipment. The vast majority of pros play very similar looking darts between 20 and 26 grams. The grip is more personal. Loads of quality tungsten darts available for about £20, paying more is not necessary.
Quite a nuanced answer. Applicable to darts for sure but not all sports. Take race teams for example… from bicycles to aeroplanes and f1 teams, etc, they all have ‘budget’ and high end equipment. Entry level wins if pro fails
I think my 1st set of tungsten darts cost me around £15.00 that was around 1977/78,I was only making around £18.00 a week at the time so was a helluva lot of money at the time.
@user-yt5il3yi1z Lol probably would have made as much if i was a paper boy,but mate that was obviously around 45 years ago wages weren'twhat they are now,it was my first job,when I think about it 40 years later I was making 18 quid an hour.
There are only 200 of the Elysian darts, however, they do put out different generations ever so often I’ve got a set (untouched) from a couple of years ago.
Interesting video , Brass feathered darts were thrown in the 70s i recall and i know also long before then Also an older guy played in dart team i eventually played for this when i was old enough in the 1970s he with brass / feathered darts and a good player he was and throw them his hand would come in the way sideways then he would open out hand/fingers as he was about to throw for the release and good consistant player he was rip to Ray . Anyhow i learnt from watching and marking and playing them older guys and the check outs etc Although in time got this down in my memory alike a calculator and as time went on got better and no problem Was a slight problem in my earliest days of playing darts likes . So easy with time , but a must for any dart player to know is the check outs and ways to go after say a missed treble , or number on the board , where next u should automatically know and in time most players who stick with the game shall know . As for the prices of darts well some are very expensive today , them are very expensive set of darts lol They certainly look very good gripping and be a nice dart to throw , but no way very many people would buy such at the price of them darts . Most id pay is not anything today over £30.00..The set im now playing with are from the darts bargain can buy from ebay or Amazon for just over £14.00 and are are 90% Tungsten and fair grip and worth the money and ive purchased different types of darts in the many yrs playing on and off ..Dont need to pay out big prices for a good set of darts at all , although many younger guys do in their thoughts that they shall play better in which i dont believe is true at all. But all to their own .. Good video but would have aided if feathers were all in one 😄 Though im sure u can buy new feather flights for them somewhere if needed . But good to keep for the history of darts and ive a fw sets similar put away just for nostalgia .
For consistency I have two suggestions FWIW. 1) Make sure all of the flight sides are at 90 degrees to each other with no bent or twisted sides. This may not seem so obvious but if you have them unequal then the amount of air flow is different on the sides and above/below. This can make a dart go just a small amount up, down, left or right, or spin away, and can be the difference between hitting a treble 20 or a treble 5 or 1, or the difference between getting that third dart into the treble 20. I can see in the video that your flights on the Phil Taylor darts are not at 90 degree angle on each side. Some cases squash the flights so when you take them out just square them back so they are all at 90 degrees. 2) Stop rocking back and forth. You throw the dart from the forward position so just plant yourself in that position and stay there for the aiming. For consistency, the only part of your body that should move is your arm.
As someone who sets up darts and throws regularly, The angle of the dart has nothing to do so much with the weight, but more so the stem and flight combo. Also the grip and where the weight is positioned. E.g. front loaded vs middle vs rear loaded All 3 will throw differently and you can effect the angle of the dart just by changing the flights.
Unless you bought them as an investment, you should play with them. You have already paid for them so use them. If you changed the srems and flights on the brass darts and practised diligently, you could master them. Consistency comes with practise and fine tuning with the equipment comes later. Speaking from experience, I could throw 12gm to 26gm to a good level because I practised/played at least 2hrs per day mimimum
I don't play darts for a team or anything. I have a board but I use the taylor g7's 24grammes, pro grip short stems, 35mm points and target number 6 flights. Average is normally early 50s and best leg of 17 currently. But they are lovely darts. Most darts sit tail down with my throw technique but the taylors sit lovely, consistently tail up and group really nicely.
Had various sets of McCoys. Performed exactly as a high end dart set with same grip level, barrel length and diameter pretty close. A set of Stealths I used for years was one style I preferred. Same results. I feel if you find the dart that matches your grip, release will perform nicely. P.S. a pub player here.
Quite curious as I am wanting to do the darts precision fitting for my birthday in August I don't think you have shown a throw with your own darts that were supplied to you would love to see it
450 for a set of fancy darts that won't help you play any better than the set of phil Taylor i bought in 2002 for like 50 quid still as good as they were
I have tried a hand full of darts from custom and really heavy to your standard players darts I currently use the first gen Nathan Aspinals 24g and the set I used before that were 25g Gary Anderson silver star darts
Ha, I've got the elbow,,,,,,,,, The wrist,,,,,,,,the grip to sort out too. other that that, I'm hitting the board. The best Ive had was Bull,Bull,25. never 180, so far. Pity we can't buy consistent throws.
Won some money recently and thought I’d treat myself to new darts. Average player but the new darts have made me way more consistent and confident. I got MVG adrenaline 24g. Cost £85 well worth it. 😁
Would a more accurate test be throwing 100 of each dart at bull?... Record the number of green/red bullseyes.... I know it's a good test to see your mm accuracy.
I don’t want to tell you how to throw but I think if you are standing still instead of moving forward when you throw you will be more consistent and accurate.
Throwing comfortably is important but if you practice and throw the “wrong” way long enough you will still hit numbers. It’s muscle memory. Repeating your style of throwing and not hitting 180’s all the time doesn’t make it wrong. Everybody has their own way. Still gets the same outcome with practice it’s just how much you want it in the end! Cant spend 10 mins a day and expect to get the same outcome as a professional
I think it's like anything - great darts won't make you a great player. Just like buying the best running shoes won't make you faster. Or a 10k guitar won't make you a better player.But... up to a certain level, they make it a lot easier to perform, or to flip it round, awful equipment can make it harder. With darts you can luck out and get really cheap ~£15 these days, and they work for you. Buying the nicer ones you should get matched weighted darts. So they're all with X of each other and within Y of the weight you've bought. Would a bedroom player really notice? Arguably not. But if you like the look of them and they throw well for you... Get them. It's a hobby after-all. If you are tight for cash but want to play, then yeah that's when buying players' darts or gimmick darts makes no sense, you're best off getting the barrel shape that works best for you and from various clearance stores. In some sports buying the pro level equipment can hamper the average player, look at golfers who use blade clubs and aren't good enough. But darts, not so much. The only issue you'll have is if you force yourself to play a set that don't suit you, don't feel right etc. Those Phil Taylor for example wouldn't work well for me, I might be able to throw them but the bomber style just doesn't feel nice to me.
They don’t specifically say that you shouldn’t throw them but given their cost and rarity (only 200 sets made), many treat them as a collectors item and leave them in the box without throwing
Duuuude, u shouldn’t have used those antique darts! Get them restored and put in a display case! It’s almost like ur drunk when ur throwing the darts, u sway! Imagine throwing those £450 darts and u stuck it into the the shaft of another and broke it😂😂😂
Man ya took a 5 min video and turned it into 21 plus vid...and you are sober!!! Very impressive..your dart teams must have loved you after a few at the pub in those matches..I bet all the who hoos and telling them what they doing wrong after every shot...they were lucky to have you 🙄..10 pound on dues 100 pound on Tylenol 😅
Just one question. Why is there a grip on a dart, when everyone us told to grip the dart. As for your thoughts on what Eric Bristow would say about these expensive darts. He would say what a load of boll-ocks. His original 22gm Durro 16 ring darts were very expensive at the time. He was lethal with them pre Dartitis! None of them weighed 22gm. I have three sets and the varible weights are alarming. The player weighs every dart instantaneously and adjusts accordingly.
A more expensive dart will only increase your performance and exceed expectations as a one-thousand-dollar driver in golf. And that's not very much. The shortest and truest route to achieving genuine skill is by BeST. Blood, sweat, and tears. There is no more reliable means to measure the truly skilled artist from the masses of wannabes than working your ass off behind the curtain.
Now you said give you an hour and youd be hitting a 180 with the expensive darts so id like to call you out on it lets see that 180 brodie im banking on you cant do it hahahaha
Stop talking shit to make a video. First darts drop low because they were so light. Then the Phil Taylor darts drop low because they were 26 grams !! Shock shock horror the Elysian dart is low!! So nothing changes from 99p to £500 nice!!
A friend of mine tought me to play darts when I was in my early twenties.. He said it doesnt matter if you throw a brick or a boulder, if you can throw then it doesn't matter about the shape and size. A pro player tony clark told him he was talking complete rubbish!!! My friend challenged him to a match.. My friend turned up with 6 inch nails!! And he pulverised tony, ending one match with 3 bullseye 😮😮😮 The manufacturers are making millions out of bull😢😢
So you're not using the darts that were handpicked for your exact throw/grip style, but sticking with the PTs you've been using for two years? Why did you decide that?
I still play with the ones I got from the precision fitting. I used the PTs here to show a player dart There will be a follow-up video with the ones handpicked
@@connorcain3852 Are the darts from the fitting included in the £250 price or do you have to pay for them on top once you've nailed the set that suit you best?
a good chucker can throw anything, like pretty much any sport it is 99% technique and 1% equipment. The vast majority of pros play very similar looking darts between 20 and 26 grams. The grip is more personal. Loads of quality tungsten darts available for about £20, paying more is not necessary.
Quite a nuanced answer. Applicable to darts for sure but not all sports. Take race teams for example… from bicycles to aeroplanes and f1 teams, etc, they all have ‘budget’ and high end equipment.
Entry level wins if pro fails
I think my 1st set of tungsten darts cost me around £15.00 that was around 1977/78,I was only making around £18.00 a week at the time so was a helluva lot of money at the time.
£18 a week, what were you a paper boy.
@user-yt5il3yi1z Lol probably would have made as much if i was a paper boy,but mate that was obviously around 45 years ago wages weren'twhat they are now,it was my first job,when I think about it 40 years later I was making 18 quid an hour.
@@KeithRobertson-h1h 1977/78 mate
Stop moving while throwing mate.
;)
got abit of big john henderson about his throw
There are only 200 of the Elysian darts, however, they do put out different generations ever so often I’ve got a set (untouched) from a couple of years ago.
Interesting video ,
Brass feathered darts were thrown in the 70s i recall and i know also long before then
Also an older guy played in dart team i eventually played for this when i was old enough in the 1970s he with brass / feathered darts and a good player he was and throw them his hand would come in the way sideways then he would open out hand/fingers as he was about to throw for the release and good consistant player he was rip to Ray .
Anyhow i learnt from watching and marking and playing them older guys and the check outs etc
Although in time got this down in my memory alike a calculator and as time went on got better and no problem
Was a slight problem in my earliest days of playing darts likes . So easy with time , but a must for any dart player to know
is the check outs and ways to go after say a missed treble , or number on the board , where next u should automatically know and in time most players who stick with the game shall know .
As for the prices of darts well some are very expensive today , them are very expensive set of darts lol
They certainly look very good gripping and be a nice dart to throw , but no way very many people would buy such
at the price of them darts .
Most id pay is not anything today over £30.00..The set im now playing with are from the darts bargain
can buy from ebay or Amazon for just over £14.00 and are are 90% Tungsten and fair grip and worth the money
and ive purchased different types of darts in the many yrs playing on and off ..Dont need to pay out big prices for
a good set of darts at all , although many younger guys do in their thoughts that they shall play better in which i dont believe
is true at all. But all to their own .. Good video but would have aided if feathers were all in one 😄
Though im sure u can buy new feather flights for them somewhere if needed . But good to keep for the history of darts and ive a fw sets similar put away just for nostalgia .
For consistency I have two suggestions FWIW.
1) Make sure all of the flight sides are at 90 degrees to each other with no bent or twisted sides. This may not seem so obvious but if you have them unequal then the amount of air flow is different on the sides and above/below. This can make a dart go just a small amount up, down, left or right, or spin away, and can be the difference between hitting a treble 20 or a treble 5 or 1, or the difference between getting that third dart into the treble 20. I can see in the video that your flights on the Phil Taylor darts are not at 90 degree angle on each side. Some cases squash the flights so when you take them out just square them back so they are all at 90 degrees.
2) Stop rocking back and forth. You throw the dart from the forward position so just plant yourself in that position and stay there for the aiming. For consistency, the only part of your body that should move is your arm.
As someone who sets up darts and throws regularly,
The angle of the dart has nothing to do so much with the weight, but more so the stem and flight combo.
Also the grip and where the weight is positioned.
E.g. front loaded vs middle vs rear loaded
All 3 will throw differently and you can effect the angle of the dart just by changing the flights.
The original Eric Bristow darts cost me £26 in 1976 and lasted me 40 years until till I lost them while moving
I had the same set loved them as a 16 year old sold them at 18 for a fiver when skint things you do for a few pints.
Unless you bought them as an investment, you should play with them. You have already paid for them so use them. If you changed the srems and flights on the brass darts and practised diligently, you could master them. Consistency comes with practise and fine tuning with the equipment comes later. Speaking from experience, I could throw 12gm to 26gm to a good level because I practised/played at least 2hrs per day mimimum
I don't play darts for a team or anything. I have a board but I use the taylor g7's 24grammes, pro grip short stems, 35mm points and target number 6 flights. Average is normally early 50s and best leg of 17 currently. But they are lovely darts. Most darts sit tail down with my throw technique but the taylors sit lovely, consistently tail up and group really nicely.
Is that a Lowry in the background? I love the set up.
Had various sets of McCoys. Performed exactly as a high end dart set with same grip level, barrel length and diameter pretty close. A set of Stealths I used for years was one style I preferred. Same results. I feel if you find the dart that matches your grip, release will perform nicely.
P.S. a pub player here.
just watched the video with andy cornwall it was brilliant. new subscriber and have to say the channels class
Quite curious as I am wanting to do the darts precision fitting for my birthday in August I don't think you have shown a throw with your own darts that were supplied to you would love to see it
Shall look to do this in the future definitely
Me too. DO IT 😂
hold the feathers over a steaming kettle and they will go back into shape.
450 for a set of fancy darts that won't help you play any better than the set of phil Taylor i bought in 2002 for like 50 quid still as good as they were
I have tried a hand full of darts from custom and really heavy to your standard players darts I currently use the first gen Nathan Aspinals 24g and the set I used before that were 25g Gary Anderson silver star darts
I had a set of 32 gm tungsten bombs they played great once I got used to them but needed a claw hammer to get them out!!
😂😂😂
You could take down a Pterodactyl with those brass beasts!
I’m currently using 22g rhenium darts( it’s a denser metal than tungsten)
Ha, I've got the elbow,,,,,,,,, The wrist,,,,,,,,the grip to sort out too. other that that, I'm hitting the board. The best Ive had was Bull,Bull,25. never 180, so far.
Pity we can't buy consistent throws.
Won some money recently and thought I’d treat myself to new darts. Average player but the new darts have made me way more consistent and confident. I got MVG adrenaline 24g. Cost £85 well worth it. 😁
Use the target 975 ultra marines
Fun vid to watch. Cheers mate
Would a more accurate test be throwing 100 of each dart at bull?... Record the number of green/red bullseyes.... I know it's a good test to see your mm accuracy.
Surprised you didn't mention the rifling on the elysians. That's the reason they don't fishtail.
It looks ugly but if it works as rifling should then it sounds cool and fun to throw
I don’t want to tell you how to throw but I think if you are standing still instead of moving forward when you throw you will be more consistent and accurate.
Far too much movement on your throw, you have a touch of the john henderson rock when tou throw, sort that out and you might see more consistency 👍🏻
Throwing comfortably is important but if you practice and throw the “wrong” way long enough you will still hit numbers. It’s muscle memory. Repeating your style of throwing and not hitting 180’s all the time doesn’t make it wrong. Everybody has their own way. Still gets the same outcome with practice it’s just how much you want it in the end! Cant spend 10 mins a day and expect to get the same outcome as a professional
Huh, "not designed to be thrown", they ARE bloody darts aren't they...?
Believe me, Phil Taylor could hit 180's even with the old brass darts. It's the player.
My first set of darts were a set of schofields 1972
If you steam the feathers they should come back together
No.
It's likr thr boss of Nike when he said paying anything over $70 for trainers is pointless.
I think it's like anything - great darts won't make you a great player. Just like buying the best running shoes won't make you faster. Or a 10k guitar won't make you a better player.But... up to a certain level, they make it a lot easier to perform, or to flip it round, awful equipment can make it harder.
With darts you can luck out and get really cheap ~£15 these days, and they work for you. Buying the nicer ones you should get matched weighted darts. So they're all with X of each other and within Y of the weight you've bought. Would a bedroom player really notice? Arguably not. But if you like the look of them and they throw well for you... Get them. It's a hobby after-all. If you are tight for cash but want to play, then yeah that's when buying players' darts or gimmick darts makes no sense, you're best off getting the barrel shape that works best for you and from various clearance stores.
In some sports buying the pro level equipment can hamper the average player, look at golfers who use blade clubs and aren't good enough. But darts, not so much. The only issue you'll have is if you force yourself to play a set that don't suit you, don't feel right etc. Those Phil Taylor for example wouldn't work well for me, I might be able to throw them but the bomber style just doesn't feel nice to me.
i got to shoot those darts with feathers
Come on, sort that elbow position out. You’ll be a lot more consistent.
I know! It's so frustrating, I see the issue but just can't fix it
Good video 🎉
Ahhhhh. This is why I aim for double tops and hit the floor.
Cheap darts.
£450!!😮
Where are you in Lancashire
In Chorley mate
@@DartsNow thanks
@@DartsNowpoor you
Somewhat confused does target state they are not meant to be thrown or are you treating them as a collector's item?
They don’t specifically say that you shouldn’t throw them but given their cost and rarity (only 200 sets made), many treat them as a collectors item and leave them in the box without throwing
Target Alisa send info thx.
Duuuude, u shouldn’t have used those antique darts! Get them restored and put in a display case! It’s almost like ur drunk when ur throwing the darts, u sway! Imagine throwing those £450 darts and u stuck it into the the shaft of another and broke it😂😂😂
Man ya took a 5 min video and turned it into 21 plus vid...and you are sober!!! Very impressive..your dart teams must have loved you after a few at the pub in those matches..I bet all the who hoos and telling them what they doing wrong after every shot...they were lucky to have you 🙄..10 pound on dues 100 pound on Tylenol 😅
Whyd anyone make or buy darts.that are not meant to be thrown?
Don't throw lob
Just one question. Why is there a grip on a dart, when everyone us told to grip the dart. As for your thoughts on what Eric Bristow would say about these expensive darts.
He would say what a load of boll-ocks. His original 22gm Durro 16 ring darts were very expensive at the time. He was lethal with them pre Dartitis!
None of them weighed 22gm.
I have three sets and the varible weights are alarming.
The player weighs every dart instantaneously and adjusts accordingly.
I've got darts far rarer and worth more than any set of Elysians 😂
What darts are they pal ??? Just curious
A premium set of the bullshite pro editions aye mate
@JD-re3cj match used Taylor's
It's save to say you're a social player right
A more expensive dart will only increase your performance and exceed expectations as a one-thousand-dollar driver in golf. And that's not very much. The shortest and truest route to achieving genuine skill is by BeST. Blood, sweat, and tears. There is no more reliable means to measure the truly skilled artist from the masses of wannabes than working your ass off behind the curtain.
Can someone tell me why those darts aren't supposed to be thrown? lol what else are you supposed to do with them?
A set of darts that's not designed to be thrown? So the point is? Why do people clutter up their lives with useless collectables?
It's the indian not the arrow
Now you said give you an hour and youd be hitting a 180 with the expensive darts so id like to call you out on it lets see that 180 brodie im banking on you cant do it hahahaha
Stop talking shit to make a video. First darts drop low because they were so light. Then the Phil Taylor darts drop low because they were 26 grams !! Shock shock horror the Elysian dart is low!! So nothing changes from 99p to £500 nice!!
A friend of mine tought me to play darts when I was in my early twenties.. He said it doesnt matter if you throw a brick or a boulder, if you can throw then it doesn't matter about the shape and size. A pro player tony clark told him he was talking complete rubbish!!! My friend challenged him to a match.. My friend turned up with 6 inch nails!! And he pulverised tony, ending one match with 3 bullseye 😮😮😮 The manufacturers are making millions out of bull😢😢
I like blaming the lack of proficiency on the poor darts.
It’s always the equipment, never the player 😉
So you're not using the darts that were handpicked for your exact throw/grip style, but sticking with the PTs you've been using for two years?
Why did you decide that?
I still play with the ones I got from the precision fitting. I used the PTs here to show a player dart
There will be a follow-up video with the ones handpicked
@@connorcain3852 Are the darts from the fitting included in the £250 price or do you have to pay for them on top once you've nailed the set that suit you best?
@@rikman81they’re included in the price. You also get a couple of extra goodies such as a free Mission shirt