Forge welding with Filip Ponseele: The double V-weld (2020)
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- Recreating a double V-weld as illustrated on a pack of forge welding plates.
Filip, Jef, Kristof and Yannick prepare bars of wrought iron, such as in the illustration and then forge weld the bars together!
There is a lot to be learned from this forge weld!
email: TechnicusJoe@gmail.com
Forge Work at Project Gutenberg
www.gutenberg.org/files/53854/53854-h/53854-h.htm
Thank you! I’m going to print it out!
The guy holding the bar when they're hammering it into the V of the swage block has a high amount of confidence in the striker's accuracy.
Kevin L I was thinking the same thing
I too was gonna post about this lol
If the striker is accurate and can hit the same spot multiple times without missing, not just twice, but many times, so many operations become so much easier!
@@TechnicusJoe for example, hand and wrist operations if they are pulverized by an errant hit. I have to respect their skill.
@@ACat1255 the forge weld can fiercely burn you, an errant blow on the anvil can have either tool chip that shoots out like a bullet and kill you.
We take it into account and continue forging.
I love that the language of blacksmithing goes beyond words. While they were smithing I understood his commands even though I didn’t understand the words. Marvelous thank you :)
When the first weld broke, I was waiting for some Dutch cuss words. Just got a universal language Aaaaah!
I'm pretty sure one of the Belgian smiths said "cul" which is french for "ass" lol
BigPigForge OK, cuuul
@@MauledByBears It was "Djuu" Flemish dialect for the French "dieu" , God they say in English.
@@paullammens3323 Thank you Paul Djuu toch hee
Thanks Paul for the correction!
At first I was disappointed as I couldn't understand a word ,but their quallity of work made it pretty much self explanatory. Great team work my hat is off to them!
Aa a dutchy I can understand flemish quite well, However I can't make out half of it, some pretty strong dialect going on there :)
@@patrickd9551 tzal wel zijn maot. Niets scuuner dan Oostvlaams
You are a very skilled and talented blacksmith, any Smith that was working for royalty in medieval times would be very impressed and you would definitely take his spot.. my good sir
Should be nominated in a series of World heritage Videos . Contributing in preserving craftsmanship knowledge trade .
Well done .
Sincerely.
Thanks to all specially the instigator Mr.J.Van Der Steeg
Cheers, Gil!
The fella holding the bar in the v in the swage block for the striker has some giant balls. Great work fellas 👏 👌
That's what happens when people work together, and the striker can hit the same spot multiple times, not only twice, but many more times.
@@TechnicusJoe hey joey yep I understand that mate. I forge a lot with my son and spent time at Everleigh works in Sydney. But credit where credit is due its Still very impressive 👏 👌
Very interesting, they don't screw around.
When you coming to the us to teach me some of your welding skills Joe? Haha
Thanks
That man holding the work while another swings a 20 lb hammer is brave. Hope he has spare hands fingers and arms!
WOW just WOW!!
Now that's some teamwork and some monster forgewelding!
Those guys deserve a nice tankard of ale!
Thank you Joe for bringing us along on this journey. It was awesome to see
🙏 Well wishes and Blessed days now
Crawford out ⚒️🧙♂️
Thanks Daniel!
Watching that first attempt fail was like seeing your favorite sports team miss a winning goal.
So the two main bars are meant to be huge pieces and the the top and bottom are almost like fillers. Being massive they wouldn't have the kick back like these smaller ones had. Picturing two giant pieces this weld makes a lot of sense.
Or used in locomotive frams where a scarf weld is impossible. And the scarf weld moves, becomes longer as forged.
Fix the broken locomotive frame parts in place with clamps or bolt it in whatever way as tight as possible.
Then weld with the double V-weld so the frame does not distort.
What “Weld Plates” made of?
redrok
Hi Duane,
Some data there:
www.anvilfire.com/21st-century-blacksmithing/materials/lafitte-welding-plate/
The composition, in French. (and the translation)
Plaque à souder Lafitte (Lafitte forging plate)
Borax (borax)
Maille de fil de fer (iron mesh)
sel d'ammoniac (ammonia salt)
prussiate de potasse aka ferrocyanure de potassium (potassium ferrocyanide)
The last compound is quite toxic
Jidé
Thank you, very informative!
redrok
2:20 he's putting a lot of trust in the striker there
Why wouldn't he?
There is plate in the book blacksmith's manual illustrated by j.w.lillico. welding method. Figure 4 a V Weld suitable for heavy rings.
Je rate suffisamment de soudure pour savoir que leur première essais allait être raté, quant j'ai vu bougé la pièce de droite 😊
Ça a l'aire quant même super compliqué ce type de soudure! Il faut vraiment en avoir besoin.
Thanks guys. I really appreciate you fellas sharing this with us.
Thank you for another very interesting video. Thanks for the information furnished, all very informing. I Wished I could of been there to have watched it all labour Out live. Outstanding!
Thank you for getting access into that shop and recording this great work and sharing it with all of us. That is extremely interesting. I didn't expect two of the four pieces to be filler Rod I will say
I was cheering everybody on! Then 10:50 and my heart sank. Nice recovery, though!
you could clearly see, how slippery the pieces were. It is also a challenge to get the pieces throughout hot enough if you can`t give enough hammer force for the initial weld - due the shape. It is a brilliant example of hanging on and go all the way with enthusiasm.
Amazing work !
Merci!
That was amazing to watch Joey and what a great team .
And Joey thank you for showing that there are other great
blacksmiths out there.
Cheers, Doug!
Great video. Can you write something more about the wrought iron you used in this project? where do you get it?
It's a wrought iron bar from inside an old church. A gift from a Dutch college. Fine iron to work but tricky
@@filipponseele7346 Thank you for an answer. In Poland where I live wrought iron is still available on scrap yards if you know what to looking for, once I collected 800 kg in one day visiting 5 scrap yards . Some of its is very good quality but some it is not and it is tricky to forge (especially puddling iron where in the process coke instead of charcoal was used - sulfur contamination).
Maybe I missed it, but I can't see the benefits of this weld over other ones.
It seems to be very prone to cold shuts and pushing itself apart during the first heat.
Maybe it's explained in the video and I missed it?
Yes, you missed the explanation in the beginning.
A cold shut is material that folds over on itself. Not a forge weld seam.
It is all explained at the beginning.
i really like this old fella, he, as well as you have quite a hammer selection, can you make a video about the different hammerforms? would be really interesting to me atleast
Great video, amazing work! I remember this laffitte welding plate from a german book for blacksmiths "Der Schmied am Amboss" from Hundshagen, a reprint from the GDR as "Schweißplättchen". It consists from an ironnet with flux to give a sticky gluecomponent if i remember correctly but I´ve never seen it in reality. Am I right? thank you so much for sharing things like this.
Thanks Joey! It was interesting to imagine how this weld would be implemented when reading about it, but far more interesting to see it done!
Cheers for the sending the reference, Chris!
I love these videos!
Waanzinnig mooi, had er graag bij geweest..
Bedankt voor het delen!
Very nice weld! I enjoyed watching, thank you!
Thanks!
Zeg die keirel mee zien bril ej vele vertrouwen ot den anderen der ant pompen es mee dien houmere 😂😂
Now that's blacksmithing!! 💖
What kind of firepot was in the forge? Was it bigger than normal to get those four pieces to a welding heat all at once?
It's a typical "Belgian " firemouth, no pot just flat and with a swiveltong against klinkers.Works well with fatcoal. the iron is put 15 centimeters above the firemouth and the rest is filled with ashes(burned coal). That's the secret
Thank you for the information. It will be useful because I am planning on making a new forge.
Joey, was that an original welding plate or a new one from the old recipe?
That's what I'm curious about. I can't find them online.
@@mandolinman2006
Some data there:
www.anvilfire.com/21st-century-blacksmithing/materials/lafitte-welding-plate/
The composition, in French. (translation)
Plaque à souder Lafitte (Lafitte forging plate)
Borax (borax)
Maille de fil de fer (iron mesh)
sel d'ammoniac (ammonia salt)
prussiate de potasse aka ferrocyanure de potassium (potassium ferrocyanide)
The last compound is quite toxic.
I honestly don't know. It's an old bit of Laffitte, from an old pack.
@@TechnicusJoe I can't find anyone making them but did find this that explains what they're made of. www.anvilfire.com/21st-century-blacksmithing/materials/lafitte-welding-plate/
Very understandable welding.
Forge welding failures are much more painful "ol' school" than modern welding techniques.
Our shop does both traditional and modern and tries to do the best methods beld for top quality.
Frankly we have a high and expensive rate of failure sometimes before consistent success. 🤷♂️
If it was easy I think we would get bored so I guess it suits us.😆
Ihr seid alle verrückt! 😁😁😁👍👍👍
As a welder i wouldve made the double v groove, then slammed them together, and tacked them with 7018. Id clean the metal up and weld it out with 11018. You could back grind or gouge to clean metal on the back side and weld that side up. Then presto you have a solid weld capable of holding 110k psi for each inch of weld
Damn, next level forging. I was not prepared.
How good is that striker! Hitting that hard at chest height is really hard. He can come to my forge anytime!
Some interesting recalescence (?) at 5:35
That's the propre way to draw out wrought iron
Hi I don't know if you are aware of this source of information on blacksmithing. but here's a link to just some of the files that are available hope it helps you all the best.
archive.org/search.php?query=Blacksmithing&sin=TXT
Is that bucket in front of the forge just the "random scrap they find around the place bucket"
Yes needs emptying before the next film
@@filipponseele7346 Neat.
That is incredible work and coordination between all of you. That is a level of craftsmanship you don't see to much of today.
Wat een mooie video man das pas smeden ik ben onder de indruk mooi gefilmd Joey ⚒️🔥⚒️👍
Bedankt, Pat!
No way I trust anyone to swing a sledgehammer while I'm holding a metal bar. Lol
Mind blowing stuff! I learnt so much.. thanks!
Good job
Hello Joe. I was curious, you are very good with showing big metal being forge welded together. Is there any special considerations to take into account for forge welding thin metals? I have a project involving a number of pieces of 3mm metal about 150mm long needing to be welded together and was curious what your method might be for that. Using a welder or if it could be forge welded. I want it all to look as a blacksmith made it when finished.
Thanks for the videos, hope you are having a great day.
Send us a drawing please
Imagine letting someone swing at your arms like that. Trust sux balls.
Великолепно! Захватывающе! Превосходно!
Но наверное отрубать уголки лишнее. Надо было их примять молотом.
Imagine that little piece of red hot metal landed on your foot, make for a bad day.
Good teaching as always!
Goe gewerkt zulle, respect an gunder gasten
Very great service. Really I am very proud of their unity in making the Job. No words to praise. I need their Blessings. Thank you for sharing.
Candyasses need not apply
No such thing as a double V. its called a v groove both sides
Would be lovely to have some English subtitles if possible. Really want to understand what's being said...
Loved the video. Amazing work. Where the 2 log bars met at a point did that forge weld or was I seeing a little bit of a cold shut.
Can i hangout with yall?
Where ever you are? Yes you can
Great work Guys!! What A team work.
What type of striking hammer it is on 4:08?
That's amazing work!
Cheers!
Well .......for all that hard work.... for what ?
Turkey amazing work!
Gobble, gobble, gobble!
Lol....yep auto correct strikes again. Let me try that again. "Truly amazing work" lol
Очкарик без рук может остаться 👐
Geez talk about heavy duty forge welding! What are they to do with that? Use it as a support for a bridge? Loved the video quality!
Cheers, John!
You guys are crazy, I love it.
Looks like it’s a weld designed to build material up for a big eye (sort of like on the shackle). Although I do wonder wether punching/drilling this type of weld is a good idea.
That was our thought too when we applied it to these long bars. It supplies a lot of mass without upsetting.
Though the illustration seems to not be too accurate for the application.
Since the book "forge work" from 1912 explains that the double v-weld is applied on locomotive frames, rudders and other large forgings.
Forgings that can be kept in place.
Blacksmith Joey van der Steeg yeah I can imagine the con-rods in smaller steam engines could also have been made this way. Really interesting stuff!
That is really interesting!
very cool...its certainly not an intuitive looking weld, nicely done guys ....Do you know how strong that type of weld is?
It is used on locomotive frames!
Strong enough!?
@@TechnicusJoe I would think so, not sure how big a locomotive frame is but I can imagine the smiths building a mobile forge under a frame and hammering in the joints while the fire is still going, much like working a large anchor (the one I saw done was on a static forge but the weld was made in the fire and no where near as big as a locomotive frame would probably be)
É muita mão de obra.
I need advice for a new smithy and not work in my backyard
Nice video Joey, do you know approximately how heavy was the funky striking hammer they used?
It's a sledge hammer based on the drawings (not technical drawings) of medieval (sledge) hammers.
I think it weighs around 3kgs - 7lbs, maybe a little heavier.
@@TechnicusJoe thank you very much :)
Props to you and your team
Nice! Thanks for sharing.
Must be hot as shit in there.
A well insulated roof and fine fresh air from the. open doors towards the garden A swell place
What they trying to make?
A double V weld, like it says in the title.
I hear they went Dutch.
It's flemisch not Dutch.
How is this superior to a more simple two bar scarf weld?
PLEASE!!! read the text at the beginning. It's there for a reason!
@@TechnicusJoe My apologies. I did read the description prior to watching the video and kept that in mind as I watched. I realized that it was a recreation of what was done in the past. But my question remains. How is this superior to the scarf weld you have done countless times in past videos? I'm not trying to be facetious or combative. It just seems to be making something overcomplicated and introducing more places for the welds to fail.
bravo
Ben je Nederlands?
Ik de wel, de andere smeden zijn Belgish.
BRAVO!
Bedankt, Marcel!
More commercials!
Tout de suite, Monsieur!
Alsome
ترجمة وني
ENGLISH, PLEASE!!!
I didn't know that there was any black smithing happening in europe.Do you guys make any money or pennies?