Stellantis EV Strategy Shift Sends EV Proponents Into A Meltdown
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- Опубликовано: 29 ноя 2023
- Stellantis CEO Tavares said that upcoming 2024 elections in the US and the EU may mean manufacturers will need to modify their EVadoption strategies.
While entirely pragmatic, this of course sent EV proponents into a tailspin.
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This climate hysteria is off the chain.
You cannot ask manufacturers to take HUGE losses on vehicles no one is buying. Nor should we publicly subsidize a poorly planned roll out doomed to fail. Mopar isn't alone.
Sam Evans the electric viking is finally being called out for his excessive exuberance.
Well said! The automakers have so much they have to consider. It takes 5 years to develop a car AND they have to be able to turn on a dime...what a nightmare. They have to weigh government regulations AND buyer preferences. It sounds like Stellantis is merely trying to balance all the variables to stay profitable.
The Electric Viking is like a cult leader. He sees only one side of the cars vs the environment. Its all evs for him, no hybrids, from skateboards to semi trucks. Tunnel vision.
Whoa!! You absolutely nailed it! I asked for a Stellantis video, but I wasn’t expecting a complete honest reveal of the EV cult. Thank you Jon. I agree with Stellantis pragmatic strategy and with your opinion. I stopped watching EV Viking ages ago because sometimes it gets a bit too toxic. He twists the whole story when someone questions the smallest of problems with adopting EVs. Anyway, don’t want my comment to turn into a rant, but glad you revealed this stuff. 👍👏👏
Jon, I think you're saying something important: the pro-EV faction is hurting their own cause by being smug, superior, and intolerant of divergent views. One thing you can count on about Americans, and probably people in general, is they don't appreciate being told they have to do something that is contrary to what they perceive is in their own best interest. The current generation of EVs are going to become boat anchors as the battery tech is rapidly evolving and the availability of replacement batteries at an affordable cost remains low. In short, today's EVs are a poor investment choice for something that remains the second most expensive thing most people ever purchase.
Amen! You hit the nail on the head! I posted some questions on an EV video and I had people start either dismissing me or writing abusive nonsense. For example, I put that I drive 80 miles each way to work and I don’t have the means to charge at home. I live in a city that most people make huge commutes. Instead of the replies being understanding, one of the replies was “only stupid people would waste all their time commuting that distance why don’t you move?” I had also mentioned that I had taken a work trip from California to Oklahoma recently and made a bit of a road trip out of it going thru Wyoming and such on the way back making it a total 3,200 miles and mentioned I am hesitant because there were portions of my trip that I stopped for the 10 minutes, filled up and got going again, I couldn’t imagine the time added to charge. I had someone reply that they “would rather vacation in a tent in their local park instead of drive that much” and they called me stupid and wasteful to drive that much. Then I asked a question about resale, I stated that a gas vehicle, you can pull spark plugs and such to determine the condition of an engine and make a pretty safe assessment for the life of a used engine. It’s not really the same with a battery, I’ve had batteries work good one day and then after a full charge a cell or two goes bad and it’s over. How will this change the used vehicle market or the vehicle market for older retired people who usually buy a car to just go get groceries and stuff, how will that hold up for long periods of low use? Will a 30,000 mile EV need a battery in 15 years? Will they even have that battery pack? Will the grandma on a fixed income need to buy a whole new car because the pack is too expensive or they don’t make it anymore? The answer I got was “the anti EV crowd will make up any bizarre scenario to not buy an EV” 😅 really? My grandma still has a 1999 ford explorer… it’s got like 60,000 miles on it, garage kept. Old people DO exist and they often times have a totally different use case than young people. An EV to be adopted by the masses HAS to be able to fill every category that a gas vehicle fills. Some of these hardcore cult EV folks need to realize there is nearly 300 million other people here in the US and geographically there are different needs posed depending on where you live. Heck I stayed at a hotel a couple years ago IN the US that the whole hotel is ran on a big diesel generator 24/7 there is literally no power to it and certainly not EV chargers. To be honest, I considered an EV, I seriously did my research but my questions are my reality and nobody cares.
Toyota for example has been very cautious about the shift to EV. The manufacturers that went too fast to EV, are the ones likly not to be around in another decade. While the likes of Toyota will be running the table, while the rest are in bankruptcy reorganization. Remember, a lot of the first ICE car makers went out of buisness by 1930s.
Sounds like this Viking guy doesn’t realize how much automotive design is dictated by government mandates.
The automotive leaders today have a difficult time deciding where to put their resources given the alternatives available and the countries where they sell. I don't believe EV is a technology that will last, I think a better solution will come alone relatively soon. Evs face the problem that the technology does not compete with the technology it is trying to replace when it comes to convenience. Evs need to fix that or face the fact that wide acceptance will be impossible to attain.
First, Viking...voted our '2023 National Dunce', he is a source of sadness & shame. Please ignore him.
California: " Everyone MUST buy an EV after 2035" also California: "Don't charge your EV because the grid is overloaded because the solar powered windmills can't keep up".
As someone who works in market quality for a well established oem, I can tell you there are many things the public, and especially EV buyers, do not know or understand about manufacturing automobiles (and automobiles in general). There is also a bit of irony here... Before EVs, the environmentalist held automobiles in such disdain they lobbied in every way to minimize them, now they are supposed to be the sole market voice? I mean they were niche buyers then and niche buyers now.
One of the best EV discussions I've watched!
Stellantis has made a bet on EVs. They are going to reopen the Belvidere assembly plant at Belvidere, IL, to manufacture mid-size pickups (there is your mid-size Ram truck) and EVs. They are going to start a Battery Plant on part of the property in conjunction with some battery company. Battery plants are popping up all over the Midwest (IN, IL, OH,) the investors and the big auto companies are placing these multi-billion $$$$ battery plants and are not doing it just for the fun of it.
I wish the government would get out of the way and let the EV market develop on its own. As an electrical engineer I'm rooting for EV adoption but understand the technology still needs time to mature before its ready for everyone. Politicians who know nothing about the technology making arbitrary mandates is just going to make adoption take longer and cost more.
Should be worth mentioning that the "Viking" mentioned in this video was exposed for lying about non-EVs by Uncle Tony's Garage.
Stellantis is not (currently) losing over $30k per pick up truck like Ford with their Lightening model. Perhaps they know something that other automakers don't (or don't want to admit)
This was a brilliant commentary and echoes my sentiments. There is no free lunch, and every new technology has its pros and cons. The emergence of EV's leaves a lot to be discussed...something many are unwilling to do. I find many iPhone/Apple/Mac users are the same way when you point out issues with those products. They get mighty defensive, might quick!