The best part about being a martial artist is that you get to say the same thing to these sort of questions. :) (As a fencer, I once had the glorious opportunity to say, "Indeed: I once stabbed him in the face" when asked if I knew a mutual friend. The response was priceless.)
When eve said her real name she said wrex's and wreav's last/ family/ clan name.... Does that mean they're cousins or siblings or am I getting that confused with clan instead of family
Clan does not mean immediate family. Odds are they are as closely related as third cousins are. Actually probably not that close as Wrex is one of the oldest Krogan alive.
Actually felt bad he had to die. But it’s amazing how and why he died. It is a higher level of peace when one is able to meet their end on their own terms..
Yeah he is a great character even through he was made for just in case Mordin died in your run of 2, they gave him enough of an identity that made him a unique character rather then a reskin.
For some reason (before Andromeda) Bioware makes very likeable and good alien characters... their human characters (other than Shepard and maybe Jack) are a little lacklustre in comparison.
Hrm, Padok's personality is actually really solid, he's a surprisingly good character. Not as amazing as Mordin's quirky personality, but he's makes a much better substitute than I was expecting. Also nice to see he says some unique stuff that Mordin never says due to having his own personality quips, never knew Wrex was named for a belch.
That moment where you want to do one run with Padok Wiks but you have no nerve to kill Mordin. Edit: I finally did it. I recommend doing at least one playthrough with Padok. He's such a delightful character.
It's actually quite easy. During my first, blind ME2 run, he died in Collector Base and it surprised me greatly.I didn't know, if I take Garrus and Grunt, it lowers defender's power so the most 'fragile' members may die: first Mordin. then Tali.
My strategy is to always send Mordin back with the crew to the Normandy as their escort. He's capable in a fight and a medic as well. It made sense in my head.
+TeenyOwlet After saving the whole crew, and my human doctor told me that she didn't have the strength to fight, it didn't make any sense, to send anyone other than a combative medic to escort them back to the ship. While the main combatants had been told, and agreed to a suicide mission, it's only right, to give the support crew their best chance of survival.
Actually Mordin can die easily in ME2, especially if you don't have Zaeed, i did everything right except Mordin died anyway because i brought Grunt and Miranda with me, so my hold the line score was too weak
I know replacing mordin for the genophage arc would be a tough task they had to make a character with a certain charm and make the player care about them as much as the players cares about mordin solus
For those who need convincing that Wiks is a decent character - 18:19 I can't 'not' giggle every time I see this. Watching it now seeing as Mordin was my favourite character in ME2, so he always survived and filled this spot in ME3. Padok is definitely a solid replacement.
ROFL Well... same here, honestly. I had all of my crew survive the mission in ME2 (Legion with hacking, Garrus with leading every time, Samara with the barrier, and bringing with me the weakest characters to the final boss) so I have to watch videos to see what happens. Turns out, if Garrus and Tali die on the suicide mission on ME2, then no one replaces them on your squad, or even in the game. Which really sucks... the game already has a small number of people to fight with you, while ME2 had 13 I think, including the DLC characters, and Legion would be the one you would place with the least if you don't want any of your normal crew, outside of your squad, to die in the Collector Base. Well, I know one thing that will cheer me up! *Watches **18:19** again.* Yep, feeling better! :P
KHMDarkness Thing you need to remember is that these 'replacement' characters are for story arc - Genophage, Quarian/Geth etc and not a party replacement. Letting actual ME3 playable crew die at any point in the series means your punishment is, quite simply, not having them anymore - Whereas the story still needs to continue and Bio decided not to use the main characters primarily for that purpose, which makes sense given there's so many characters, which means there'd have to be so many outcomes.
Okay I freaking love Wiks! It's a shame having Mordin around (who is awesome don't get me wrong) means we never get a chance to really meet this thoughtful, charming, strange and fascinating character. Thanks so much for uploading this!
Mordin is excellent, but I think Padok is a very good replacement. I didn’t expect to like him this much when I first started a dead-Mording playthrough, but he’s a great character. And he’s got some hilarious moments, just like Mordin. Krogan mating! ^^
@@lukedeakin7124I'd agree and argue that he is by a considerable margin. For one thing, I'm pretty sure he's the only Substitute who can still give the Golden Ending to his scenario. If he has all the right pieces to work with, then he can save Eve and cure the Genophage successfully, just like Mordin does. Meanwhile if you get to Rannoch and you are dealing with the Geth VI or Shala'Raan (in lieu of Tali that is) then peace is impossible, you are gonna have to choose a species to save and let the other die. Similarly Wreav IS going to restart the Krogan Rebellions and the best you can get is Eve being around to oppose him. On the more minor substitutions; Urdnot Dagg, Jason Prangley and Kirrahe will all die trying to fill Grunt, Jack and Thane's respective shoes (the last requiring you to have kept Kirrahe alive prior to this and costs you a potential asset later on).
One thing that I love about this phrase is how it messes with the player . There surely was someone who tried to imagine that in real , and then Shepard says " Not what I meant . " - " But you were probably thinking it . "
Mordin not present. Troubling Implications. Someone else might have gotten it wrong. Inferior dialogue. Less Bonding. Lacks singing. No closure. Overall enjoyment: Problematic.
"For Eternity". Wow, that was a lot more powerful then I expected it to be. Damn Padok, you may not be Mordin but like him, you are the very model of a Scientist Salarian.
I can never go through ME3 with a dead squad mate, so videos like this are great for me. Because I suddenly have a respect for this until-now-nobody Salarian.
I couldn't possibly be happy with an ME2 save wherein Mordin didn't survive, but I wish they had developed Padok Wiks more any way. I mean, he's an interesting character. For that matter I'd like to have seen more of Kirrahe and Jondum Bau.
I wish that we got this sort of insight and development of the character even if Mordin lived. This is a fantastic character, and the only way to see his story is to let Mordin die? Sad face.
Screw ME Andromeda. Id be happy with a ME spinoff just about these STG guys. Mordin, Pdok and Kirrahe going on missions together, discussing philosophy and boozing it out. Take my money
Actually,Padok makes mention of Mordin's real thoughts on his work. Padok himselfturned religious after the work, realizing he needed to stop playing god and let life move at his own pace rather than forced down a path. He mentions Mordin,however, was struck with guilt and was never the same. The reason Mordin constantly defends himself is because he's trying to convince himself that he didn't dosomething horrible, he's deceiving himself basically.
Holy hell! I thought Mordin's death was sad. This... This is yet another punch to the gut. In the short time that he was with us, I grew to like him. The Shroud scenes as all emotionally painful.
I love this guy! Seriously, he's the best replacement ever! All the other guys you get if you get the "original" buddies killed are... lame. The Geth VI and the "Not Tali" will fuck up the Quarians and the Geth! Wreav will either condemn his species to extinction or start a new galaxy war! Dagg isn't just as awesome as Grunt... And "Not Garrus"... yeah, he doesn't exists... But Wiks... I don't know, he's funny he's intelligent, he's crazy... He's just like Mordin! Hell, I think he's even better sometimes (How do Krogan mate?)
I still think Mordin's better, but compared to the other substitutes for ME3, Padok was a great character, even if Mordin dies in ME2, he won't need to worry about, Someone else getting it wrong.
I know a lot of people are going to hate me for this but... I like Padok Wiks better! Don't get me wrong, Mordin was awesome and all but I like the insight Wiks brings to the table, his view point on life and why believes in what he doing as well as the conversations he has with Eve/Bakura on the name he gave her which we never got with Mordin as he was too busy being quirky. The conversations with Shepard also had me reading into it. Even his last conversation to Shepard was deep. Shepard: "Padok wait! This is a one way trip." Padok: "It has been since the day I met Eve. Padok: "Some souls die in battle. Some die in their sleep. And some die for no reason at all. This.. is my chance to die for what I believe." Sorry but that pretty much won me over for Wiks.
5 years too late but if you don't inform padok about the sabotage and then let him cure the genophage rather than killing him he thanks you, thinking that you changing your mind and letting him cure it will be remembered somewhere for eternity with your other good deeds. My god this salarian is a genuine Saint.
I was always bothered about letting the Krogan become super dominant again and never felt Mordin argued well for it. This guy's argument/explanation hit a little harder for me.
I feel like the writers who worked on Salarian characters in Mass Effect had a particular fascination for a species that has a shorter lifespan than humans. That combined with their unique design, peculiar choice in vocalization and the subterfuge the organization STG was made with the intent to fight wars stealthily instead of through force like the Turians or Advancement like Asari. Padok Wiks seems to be a fantastic showcase of how, even with Mordin's absence, you can have a compelling and fascinating character w/o the best character of ME2; him and Kirrahe are great Salarians who aren't Mordin. I regret not trying out Padok's route myself, but Mordin's interactions are golden enough to excuse that decision. Still, thanks for uploading these clips together ^^
"Stay clear! I've got this!" Not with that M-3 Predator you don't Shepard! Animators, would it have KILLED you to have included other weapons than the bland Avenger/Predator combo?
Odd how out of all the arguably-lackluster placeholder characters in ME3, Mordin's alternate was the only one I'd actually consider a worthwhile addition. Then again, that might just be because he see more of him then we did the others, but Padok felt like had enough characterization to be a pseudo-squadmate in and of himself.
You know what would have been really funny If everyone who died in ME2 got replaced by cheap knock offs in ME3 but everyone just pretends there the same. Bring in the B Team cause the A team just ate shit during the suicide mission.
As far as "substitutes" go, there are two extremes: "We are Not" Legion on one end and Padok on the other. Padok is the "really solid on their own and a respectable replacement for the original" end of that spectrum :P. I'm honestly tempted to do a run where Mordin dies at the end of ME2 just so I can get this guy. Not only is his speech pattern much more bearable in my opinion, his outlook on the role of Salarians on the galactic stage is INCREDIBLY interesting and refreshing. Not to mention his views on evolution. I very much DON'T agree with them, and that makes me all the willing to get him.
Has to be said though, 'Not-Legion' was heartbreaking to me. The fact that it looked like Legion completely took me in and I expected there to be a subtle arc for the character. The fact that there wasn't and I was forced to kill it just broke my heart, especially after seeing the Geth origins.
Oh absolutely! I really like what they did with Not-Legion's writing, and it is tragic as all hell. It's just that Legion is my favorite character in the entire franchise, so I'm incredibly biased here.
mysterioso2006 In ME2 Legion is just "Geth," though, I'm honestly still not sure what they thought they were doing in ME3. Legion is not an individual, he's just "Geth." You never encountered actual "Geth" previously because you only fought heretics, real Geth isolated themselves.
Padok Wiks, my good sir, you deserved more lines. "Protocol has been overridden!" Bad@$sery right there. Delivery was perfect. A tad phlegmatic like he was mocking him... and then... NOT.
While it's infinitely more meaningful for Mordin to be the one to do this, I do appreciate that more effort was put into Padok Wiks than just "vaguely similar Mordin replacement."
It is amazing to note the contrasts and similarities between Mordin and Wiks; both passionate scientists and thinkers with deep understandings and disagreements. In ME2 Shepard notes certain religious tones in Mordin's words at some point, so it is reasonable to assume such channels of thought imprinted on Mordin FROM Wiks. Amazing, whoever wrote Padok's character really knew what they where doing. Those people deserve a raise!
I actually think Wrex's line about Padok's death is so much more powerful. When Mordin dies he jokes he'll name a kid after him. Which is like a huge deal for Krogan don't get me wrong. But the first thing he thinks about is regretting not being able to say he was wrong about Padok. That's powerful
I noticed Wrex's sorrow as well. To the best of my knowledge, this is one of the first, if not the first time we see Wrex feeling that much regret. Definitely makes him more interesting.
Wiks: You're saying "Wrex" was a belch? Eve: And i wouldn't remind him if i were you. Me: Lol. Wiks: I've always wondered how they mated (Proceeds to imagine it) Eve: very clumsily. Me: Lol. He's funny and interesting.
I liked Mordin too much to let him die in 2, but my Shepard couldn't lie to Wrex and not give the Krogan their cure... I cried when he died. He was so quirky and I actually really liked his speech pattern. It was amusing.Padok is a good replacement, but still. Mordin. u.u
22:14 So, did he take a Quarter of "the Quad"? 30:35 "You got my assault rifle." "And my shotgun." "And *my* shotgun." "And my shotgun." "And my shotgun..." 32:00 "Before the invention of firearms, the most common cause of death on Tuchanka was Tresher Maws. After that, it was bullet wounds."
The krogan seem to be the one race in Mass Effect that can draw attention to gender roles without any suggestions that one is superior to the other. While it’s predominately males that fight battles, interact with other races, and get screen time, any time females are brought up in conversation, they’re spoken of with reverence. As proud as the males are, none of them will value anything in their lives more than women and children. As a result, female krogan heavily influence krogan traditions and politics. Even in playthroughs with Wrex dead and Wreav leading the krogan, Bakara has no problem outwardly disagreeing with him and resisting his advances. You get the sense that no matter what the males think/do on their own, the krogan race doesn’t advance unless both genders cooperate. That of course is true for any race, but the krogan seem to depict this in the strongest way.
"Some Souls Die in Battle. Some die in their sleep. And some die for no reason at all. This...... *Smiles* .... Is my chance to die for what I believe!" Shit dude, how did we get the ending we got when even the substitute characters were this fucking good?
Uh... I kinda wanna have Mordin die in my next ME2 playthrough so I can have Padik Wiks... I mean, he just seems interesting. No offense, I like Mordin... Especially his singing, but... I like to experience new things.
My first playthrough Mordin died because I didn't understand the way the final defense worked in ME2. Padok was interesting to speak to though I missed Mordin immensely. It would've been awesome to see these two working together in 3 since they agree so fully on the genophage needing to be cured, even if the reasons are different. I also feel like that could've been a way to make another tuchanka ending. If Mordin lives, him and Padok work together and find a cure. If it's just Padok, he's unable to get an effective cure.
Padok was such a good character for a "Mordin replacement". I met him on my first run and I was quite impressed and sad to see him dying. I would have love to see Padok and Mordin together in Normandy's laboratory : THE MOST TALKATIVE ROOM OF THE UNIVERSE
You know what would be cool Mass Effect Ascension. Having a medical AI based on Padok Wiks that your character could have philosophical discussions between missions. Part medical doctor, part geneticist , part consuler, part confessor .
My Shep always sabotages the cure regardless of Wrex or Wreave in charge. With Wrex well... my boy Bailey and C-Sec always got my back when he shows up.
I might actually like him more, which means I'm most clearly going mad. Actually I was just too unnerved by the voice actor change on Mordin I must admit, Im somewhat fascinated by the "Anyone tell you you are a bit.. odd?" dialogue
I don't care what anyone says, the most dramatic moment with Mordin was definitely... Mordin: "I made a mistake!! I made a mistake.." ^ I am beyond manly and even that brought me to tears. To see someone like Mordin suddenly fall to regret, really tear jerking.
not only Padok. Mordin, Maelon...all three of them - while having different philosophies - worked on the genophage adjustment project. And all three of them ended up giving their life for this cure.
"I knew an STG Scientist named Mordin Solus, have you heard of him"
"Indeed, I once punched him in the face"
I still crack up at that.
The best part about being a martial artist is that you get to say the same thing to these sort of questions. :)
(As a fencer, I once had the glorious opportunity to say, "Indeed: I once stabbed him in the face" when asked if I knew a mutual friend. The response was priceless.)
When eve said her real name she said wrex's and wreav's last/ family/ clan name.... Does that mean they're cousins or siblings or am I getting that confused with clan instead of family
Clan does not mean immediate family. Odds are they are as closely related as third cousins are. Actually probably not that close as Wrex is one of the oldest Krogan alive.
Skyte100 I know Wreav and Wrex are "brood brothers" from the same clutch i dont know about Eve
@@Skyte100 it could also mean she has chosen to become a member of clan urdnot, even if it wasn't her birth clan
Padok is...actually an excellent character. Nice work, Bioware!
He seems sweet, but with an edge that makes his status as an STG agent believable.
Actually felt bad he had to die. But it’s amazing how and why he died. It is a higher level of peace when one is able to meet their end on their own terms..
Yeah he is a great character even through he was made for just in case Mordin died in your run of 2, they gave him enough of an identity that made him a unique character rather then a reskin.
For some reason (before Andromeda) Bioware makes very likeable and good alien characters... their human characters (other than Shepard and maybe Jack) are a little lacklustre in comparison.
@@pluubooruu Anderson, Bailey, Zaeed and Kasumi aren’t likeable?
Hrm, Padok's personality is actually really solid, he's a surprisingly good character. Not as amazing as Mordin's quirky personality, but he's makes a much better substitute than I was expecting. Also nice to see he says some unique stuff that Mordin never says due to having his own personality quips, never knew Wrex was named for a belch.
"Perhaps...their god and your god shared notes?"
Great, now all I'm seeing is Krogan Jesus. He beat the Romans to death with his fucking forehead.
Bacxaber Why isn't there fan art of something like this?
Korgan Jesus, turning water into Ryncol.
strike the other cheek
Well he did big brain them at least
Krogan Jesus on the Cross: "You think a few nails will stop me you stupid Pyjack!!!"
That moment where you want to do one run with Padok Wiks but you have no nerve to kill Mordin.
Edit: I finally did it. I recommend doing at least one playthrough with Padok. He's such a delightful character.
It's actually quite easy. During my first, blind ME2 run, he died in Collector Base and it surprised me greatly.I didn't know, if I take Garrus and Grunt, it lowers defender's power so the most 'fragile' members may die: first Mordin. then Tali.
My strategy is to always send Mordin back with the crew to the Normandy as their escort. He's capable in a fight and a medic as well. It made sense in my head.
only way I can do this is with gibbed save editor, I like Mordin too much to deliberately kill him
+TeenyOwlet After saving the whole crew, and my human doctor told me that she didn't have the strength to fight, it didn't make any sense, to send anyone other than a combative medic to escort them back to the ship. While the main combatants had been told, and agreed to a suicide mission, it's only right, to give the support crew their best chance of survival.
Actually Mordin can die easily in ME2, especially if you don't have Zaeed, i did everything right except Mordin died anyway because i brought Grunt and Miranda with me, so my hold the line score was too weak
Padok is a really good substitute, but then again a character like mordin solus requires a good substitute.
I know replacing mordin for the genophage arc would be a tough task they had to make a character with a certain charm and make the player care about them as much as the players cares about mordin solus
Mordin absent. Implications...troubling. Not bad for substitute, but someone else might have gotten it wrong...quite troubling. Will need lab.
You forgot to add dramatic sniffs.
Problematic.
Love this!
Mordin would be proud of his replacement.
For those who need convincing that Wiks is a decent character - 18:19
I can't 'not' giggle every time I see this. Watching it now seeing as Mordin was my favourite character in ME2, so he always survived and filled this spot in ME3. Padok is definitely a solid replacement.
ROFL Well... same here, honestly. I had all of my crew survive the mission in ME2 (Legion with hacking, Garrus with leading every time, Samara with the barrier, and bringing with me the weakest characters to the final boss) so I have to watch videos to see what happens. Turns out, if Garrus and Tali die on the suicide mission on ME2, then no one replaces them on your squad, or even in the game. Which really sucks... the game already has a small number of people to fight with you, while ME2 had 13 I think, including the DLC characters, and Legion would be the one you would place with the least if you don't want any of your normal crew, outside of your squad, to die in the Collector Base.
Well, I know one thing that will cheer me up!
*Watches **18:19** again.*
Yep, feeling better! :P
KHMDarkness
Thing you need to remember is that these 'replacement' characters are for story arc - Genophage, Quarian/Geth etc and not a party replacement. Letting actual ME3 playable crew die at any point in the series means your punishment is, quite simply, not having them anymore - Whereas the story still needs to continue and Bio decided not to use the main characters primarily for that purpose, which makes sense given there's so many characters, which means there'd have to be so many outcomes.
Philosophical Salarians, Padok Wiks may not be Mordin Solus, but he's still awesome.
+Corporate Commander ME3 is weak.
Corporate Commander
Oh, it's great, because ME3 has actually the best battle system of the series. Sadly.
+Corporate Commander Wait people still play the multiplayer?
Mass Effect 3 is better than 2
except in game design, level design,story, script, choices, sidequests and characterization.
Okay I freaking love Wiks! It's a shame having Mordin around (who is awesome don't get me wrong) means we never get a chance to really meet this thoughtful, charming, strange and fascinating character. Thanks so much for uploading this!
Yeah, I honestly never got to talk to him past the little part on surkesh.
And on Ilos in ME1
Mordin is excellent, but I think Padok is a very good replacement. I didn’t expect to like him this much when I first started a dead-Mording playthrough, but he’s a great character. And he’s got some hilarious moments, just like Mordin. Krogan mating! ^^
I think Padok is the best replacement for ME2 squadmates in ME3
@@lukedeakin7124I'd agree and argue that he is by a considerable margin. For one thing, I'm pretty sure he's the only Substitute who can still give the Golden Ending to his scenario. If he has all the right pieces to work with, then he can save Eve and cure the Genophage successfully, just like Mordin does.
Meanwhile if you get to Rannoch and you are dealing with the Geth VI or Shala'Raan (in lieu of Tali that is) then peace is impossible, you are gonna have to choose a species to save and let the other die. Similarly Wreav IS going to restart the Krogan Rebellions and the best you can get is Eve being around to oppose him.
On the more minor substitutions; Urdnot Dagg, Jason Prangley and Kirrahe will all die trying to fill Grunt, Jack and Thane's respective shoes (the last requiring you to have kept Kirrahe alive prior to this and costs you a potential asset later on).
"I broke a few fingers"
That's quite an injury when you only have 6.
you know i find it strange that most of aliens in mass effect has 3 fingers on each hand.
***** Because the concept of the Asari was that they're an alien race of beautiful women, so... normal hands help to sell that idea.
***** well Drell's too have 5 fingers as well as Batarians
***** well in Mass Effect comics the Drell named Feron has 5 fingers so maybe it's just Thane and Kolyat have 4 fingers?
+Wind Wind Humans with extra fingers are born sometimes; it's entirely possible that Feron has an unusual number for a Drell.
"I've always wondered how krogan mated."
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and...there's a mental image for Padok. and he dies with it.
One Week Wizard Wait, I just saw this same comment in the previous video!! Dude, get new material!
One Week Wizard Now stop thinking about it.
Why are you still thinking about it?
One thing that I love about this phrase is how it messes with the player . There surely was someone who tried to imagine that in real , and then Shepard says " Not what I meant . " - " But you were probably thinking it . "
and that's why I think Shepard should be allowed to romance Wrax or Grunt in ME1 and / or ME2
"Must have been me, somebody else might have gotten it wrong"
Guess not?
stfu, don't piss on Mordin's legacy.
Chill mate, I love Mordin just as much as you ;)
chillout its just a game, besides imprety sure the voice character for mordin didnt even bither playing mass effect, suck on that
Key word is “might have”
Wiks still got pretty good writing given he literally exists as a standin. His personality is distinct from Mordin's.
Mordin not present. Troubling Implications. Someone else might have gotten it wrong. Inferior dialogue. Less Bonding. Lacks singing. No closure. Overall enjoyment: Problematic.
you missed *long sniff*
mattwho81 But I love the dignity Not-Mordin had in his final moments. Mordin seemed scared. Not-Mordin was at peace.
Mmmh. Possible that Padok got it wrong. Should have stayed alive. Decision to travel with Shepard risky. Didn't pay off.
Padok was alright, but yes, without Mordins dialogue it feels like something's missing.
KRoGaN SeX
I AM URDNOT WREX AND THIS IS MY PLANET!
I'm Garrus Vakarian and this is my rectum.
I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite store on the Citadel.
I'm Commander Shepard, but I guess I'm now your therapist.
You exist because we allow it, and you will end because we demand it.
While Padok Wiks isn't as emotionally scarring as Mordin, since you only get 40 mins of interaction with him, he is still a well written character.
Mordin: "Had to be me, somebody else might have gotten it wrong"
**Padok Wiks gets it wrong**
osmdude101 And the genophage doesn't get cured..... FUDGE-STICKS.
Key word might
osmdude101 Actually, Padok Wiks gets the cure right.
@@DuelaDent52 he cured it ?
Rdyas P Presuming you don’t kill him or convince him to stand down, yes.
"For Eternity".
Wow, that was a lot more powerful then I expected it to be. Damn Padok, you may not be Mordin but like him, you are the very model of a Scientist Salarian.
now we know how to bring mass effect back: a game showing Mordin and Padoks adventures at STG
Dont forget kirrahne
@@aahahshhshahahaj2364 true! #HoldTheLine
I like how after Padok fixes the malfunction he just stands up straight like ok im ready, then BOOM! pretty bad ass
I can never go through ME3 with a dead squad mate, so videos like this are great for me. Because I suddenly have a respect for this until-now-nobody Salarian.
I know. He's a fantastic character. But I have to let a squadmate die to get his story. Surprised a stand-in got this sort of work put into him.
@@Skyblade12prolly cuz mordin is most likely to die in me2
I couldn't possibly be happy with an ME2 save wherein Mordin didn't survive, but I wish they had developed Padok Wiks more any way. I mean, he's an interesting character. For that matter I'd like to have seen more of Kirrahe and Jondum Bau.
I wish that we got this sort of insight and development of the character even if Mordin lived. This is a fantastic character, and the only way to see his story is to let Mordin die? Sad face.
Screw ME Andromeda. Id be happy with a ME spinoff just about these STG guys. Mordin, Pdok and Kirrahe going on missions together, discussing philosophy and boozing it out. Take my money
Same here
Actually,Padok makes mention of Mordin's real thoughts on his work. Padok himselfturned religious after the work, realizing he needed to stop playing god and let life move at his own pace rather than forced down a path. He mentions Mordin,however, was struck with guilt and was never the same. The reason Mordin constantly defends himself is because he's trying to convince himself that he didn't dosomething horrible, he's deceiving himself basically.
Holy hell! I thought Mordin's death was sad.
This... This is yet another punch to the gut. In the short time that he was with us, I grew to like him.
The Shroud scenes as all emotionally painful.
I love this guy!
Seriously, he's the best replacement ever!
All the other guys you get if you get the "original" buddies killed are... lame.
The Geth VI and the "Not Tali" will fuck up the Quarians and the Geth!
Wreav will either condemn his species to extinction or start a new galaxy war!
Dagg isn't just as awesome as Grunt...
And "Not Garrus"... yeah, he doesn't exists...
But Wiks... I don't know, he's funny he's intelligent, he's crazy... He's just like Mordin! Hell, I think he's even better sometimes (How do Krogan mate?)
Very clumsily
I still think Mordin's better, but compared to the other substitutes for ME3, Padok was a great character, even if Mordin dies in ME2, he won't need to worry about, Someone else getting it wrong.
There goes another shadow broker...
Could've sworn he was muttering "T'Soni" the whole time.
Skyte100 This guy! Thanks, friend!
+Skyte100 Not funny
Now lets just imagine how awesome it would be if you could have both on the Normandy
Wiks is a stand-up dude. I agree with his philosophy, evolution is more than just random coincidence.
I loved his quote about mutations driving evolution forward
Marc Shlyshen evolution isn't random coincidence, we evolve to fit our surroundings
The mutations themselves are random, it’s just the mutations that cause more problems end with the species dying off
I know a lot of people are going to hate me for this but... I like Padok Wiks better! Don't get me wrong, Mordin was awesome and all but I like the insight Wiks brings to the table, his view point on life and why believes in what he doing as well as the conversations he has with Eve/Bakura on the name he gave her which we never got with Mordin as he was too busy being quirky. The conversations with Shepard also had me reading into it. Even his last conversation to Shepard was deep.
Shepard: "Padok wait! This is a one way trip."
Padok: "It has been since the day I met Eve.
Padok: "Some souls die in battle. Some die in their sleep. And some die for no reason at all. This.. is my chance to die for what I believe."
Sorry but that pretty much won me over for Wiks.
5 years too late but if you don't inform padok about the sabotage and then let him cure the genophage rather than killing him he thanks you, thinking that you changing your mind and letting him cure it will be remembered somewhere for eternity with your other good deeds. My god this salarian is a genuine Saint.
I was always bothered about letting the Krogan become super dominant again and never felt Mordin argued well for it. This guy's argument/explanation hit a little harder for me.
I feel like the writers who worked on Salarian characters in Mass Effect had a particular fascination for a species that has a shorter lifespan than humans. That combined with their unique design, peculiar choice in vocalization and the subterfuge the organization STG was made with the intent to fight wars stealthily instead of through force like the Turians or Advancement like Asari. Padok Wiks seems to be a fantastic showcase of how, even with Mordin's absence, you can have a compelling and fascinating character w/o the best character of ME2; him and Kirrahe are great Salarians who aren't Mordin.
I regret not trying out Padok's route myself, but Mordin's interactions are golden enough to excuse that decision. Still, thanks for uploading these clips together ^^
"I wish I'd had a chance to tell him I was wrong about salarians. At least one of them."
;;
A great character.
Still prefer Mordin, but Wiks is okay
RussianPremier There's no sane person alive that'd prefer any other salarian over Mordin.
***** You'd be surprised
RussianPremier Again, "Sane person alive".
Who doesn´t
"Stay clear! I've got this!" Not with that M-3 Predator you don't Shepard!
Animators, would it have KILLED you to have included other weapons than the bland Avenger/Predator combo?
it's not a bad substitute... I liked him!
Nokard He's not a bad substitute, true, but I'd rather Mordin still.
i also love how he calmly says "i once punched him in the face"
ME3 would have been a bit more interesting if Padok Wiks was also more involved in the main story if Mordin lived version of the game experience.
I rolled on the floor laughing when Padok said he punched Mordin in the face.
Odd how out of all the arguably-lackluster placeholder characters in ME3, Mordin's alternate was the only one I'd actually consider a worthwhile addition. Then again, that might just be because he see more of him then we did the others, but Padok felt like had enough characterization to be a pseudo-squadmate in and of himself.
Legion's replacement was kinda good too
@@isopodspouse He is not legion.
You know what would have been really funny If everyone who died in ME2 got replaced by cheap knock offs in ME3 but everyone just pretends there the same.
Bring in the B Team cause the A team just ate shit during the suicide mission.
As far as "substitutes" go, there are two extremes: "We are Not" Legion on one end and Padok on the other. Padok is the "really solid on their own and a respectable replacement for the original" end of that spectrum :P. I'm honestly tempted to do a run where Mordin dies at the end of ME2 just so I can get this guy. Not only is his speech pattern much more bearable in my opinion, his outlook on the role of Salarians on the galactic stage is INCREDIBLY interesting and refreshing. Not to mention his views on evolution. I very much DON'T agree with them, and that makes me all the willing to get him.
Has to be said though, 'Not-Legion' was heartbreaking to me. The fact that it looked like Legion completely took me in and I expected there to be a subtle arc for the character. The fact that there wasn't and I was forced to kill it just broke my heart, especially after seeing the Geth origins.
Oh absolutely! I really like what they did with Not-Legion's writing, and it is tragic as all hell. It's just that Legion is my favorite character in the entire franchise, so I'm incredibly biased here.
mysterioso2006 In ME2 Legion is just "Geth," though, I'm honestly still not sure what they thought they were doing in ME3. Legion is not an individual, he's just "Geth." You never encountered actual "Geth" previously because you only fought heretics, real Geth isolated themselves.
Losing Thane is also interesting as long as you save the STG on Virmire.
"Krogan lack beauty"
Me who wants to be able to romance one: 👁️👄👁️
"My dicks as big as your thigh"
Or
"My vagina has serrated plating"
Take your pick! 😂
Padok Wiks, my good sir, you deserved more lines.
"Protocol has been overridden!" Bad@$sery right there. Delivery was perfect. A tad phlegmatic like he was mocking him... and then... NOT.
While it's infinitely more meaningful for Mordin to be the one to do this, I do appreciate that more effort was put into Padok Wiks than just "vaguely similar Mordin replacement."
It is amazing to note the contrasts and similarities between Mordin and Wiks; both passionate scientists and thinkers with deep understandings and disagreements. In ME2 Shepard notes certain religious tones in Mordin's words at some point, so it is reasonable to assume such channels of thought imprinted on Mordin FROM Wiks. Amazing, whoever wrote Padok's character really knew what they where doing. Those people deserve a raise!
I actually think Wrex's line about Padok's death is so much more powerful. When Mordin dies he jokes he'll name a kid after him. Which is like a huge deal for Krogan don't get me wrong. But the first thing he thinks about is regretting not being able to say he was wrong about Padok. That's powerful
I noticed Wrex's sorrow as well. To the best of my knowledge, this is one of the first, if not the first time we see Wrex feeling that much regret. Definitely makes him more interesting.
Wiks: You're saying "Wrex" was a belch?
Eve: And i wouldn't remind him if i were you.
Me: Lol.
Wiks: I've always wondered how they mated (Proceeds to imagine it)
Eve: very clumsily.
Me: Lol.
He's funny and interesting.
I liked Mordin too much to let him die in 2, but my Shepard couldn't lie to Wrex and not give the Krogan their cure... I cried when he died. He was so quirky and I actually really liked his speech pattern. It was amusing.Padok is a good replacement, but still. Mordin. u.u
Love how Wrex says "women" while looking at Shepard and she's just like "don't look at me pal" XD
22:14 So, did he take a Quarter of "the Quad"?
30:35 "You got my assault rifle."
"And my shotgun."
"And *my* shotgun."
"And my shotgun."
"And my shotgun..."
32:00 "Before the invention of firearms, the most common cause of death on Tuchanka was Tresher Maws. After that, it was bullet wounds."
The krogan seem to be the one race in Mass Effect that can draw attention to gender roles without any suggestions that one is superior to the other. While it’s predominately males that fight battles, interact with other races, and get screen time, any time females are brought up in conversation, they’re spoken of with reverence. As proud as the males are, none of them will value anything in their lives more than women and children. As a result, female krogan heavily influence krogan traditions and politics. Even in playthroughs with Wrex dead and Wreav leading the krogan, Bakara has no problem outwardly disagreeing with him and resisting his advances. You get the sense that no matter what the males think/do on their own, the krogan race doesn’t advance unless both genders cooperate. That of course is true for any race, but the krogan seem to depict this in the strongest way.
He's the best stand-in ME3 character by far.
Yes, the Geth VI is a douche and Xen and Raan aren’t as likable as Tali will always pick them over the Geth VI though
'Wrex would find new uses for the salarian digestive tract if I let anything happen to you. And, because I consider you a friend.' Aww!
"...And there we have it. Could be worth writing a paper someday."
This line always cracks me up. :D
Padoks final speech i'm in tears GDI.
"Some Souls Die in Battle. Some die in their sleep. And some die for no reason at all. This......
*Smiles*
.... Is my chance to die for what I believe!"
Shit dude, how did we get the ending we got when even the substitute characters were this fucking good?
I knew I liked him from the moment he skittered into the screen.
Uh... I kinda wanna have Mordin die in my next ME2 playthrough so I can have Padik Wiks...
I mean, he just seems interesting.
No offense, I like Mordin...
Especially his singing, but...
I like to experience new things.
My first playthrough Mordin died because I didn't understand the way the final defense worked in ME2. Padok was interesting to speak to though I missed Mordin immensely. It would've been awesome to see these two working together in 3 since they agree so fully on the genophage needing to be cured, even if the reasons are different. I also feel like that could've been a way to make another tuchanka ending. If Mordin lives, him and Padok work together and find a cure. If it's just Padok, he's unable to get an effective cure.
32:23 now i get why bakara encourages those females to bleed wrex dry......she is punishing him with his own words
i like mordin more, but wiks is pretty cool, too.
Too bad Padok doesn't really do anything unless Mordin died in Mass Effect 2. He's awesome.
I completely missed out. I never let mordin die so I never got to meet wiks. I kinda like him better.
Wiks was actually a pretty good character
It's incredible how much effort they put into a character most players will never experience. Props to Bioware
For...eternity.
"Had to be me, someone else might have gotten it wrong" I think Padok Wiks might be an exeption.
Hes the best "alternate" crew member if a main gets killed. Too bad he can't join the mainline crew
I dont know. Padok Wiks's asking Even about Krogan mating is worth the price of admission.
"Even I don't believe that, but I want my people to."
Goddammit I love you, Wrex.
Well damn, Wiks is a pretty good character.
Padok was such a good character for a "Mordin replacement". I met him on my first run and I was quite impressed and sad to see him dying.
I would have love to see Padok and Mordin together in Normandy's laboratory : THE MOST TALKATIVE ROOM OF THE UNIVERSE
You know what would be cool Mass Effect Ascension.
Having a medical AI based on Padok Wiks that your character could have philosophical discussions between missions. Part medical doctor, part geneticist , part consuler, part confessor .
+Henry Williamson You mean Mass Effect Andromeda, right? Ascension was one of the novels.
Doh!
My Shep always sabotages the cure regardless of Wrex or Wreave in charge. With Wrex well... my boy Bailey and C-Sec always got my back when he shows up.
"I know what you did, Shepard!"
"In the interest of science, how do Krogan mate?"
"Very clumsily."
"And there you have it!"
I almost like Padok as much as Mordin. If Padok was around in ME2 he may very well be better.
07:02 Mordin’s way of dealing with protocol is a lot funnier but Padok’s is a lot more direct 😂😂😂
Eve: I said I'm fine
Not-Mordin: I'll put that down as mildly irritable.
Alright, I guess I'll kill off Mordin for a run. This dude is gold.
Huh, this almost makes me feel bad about keeping Mordin alive.
...
...Wait, what the fuck did I just say!?
I love that last second head turn from Wrex when Shep leaves Eve and Wrex alone at that tomb. It's like, "Shepard's gone, let's bang!" LOL
Josh Nathan "Let's bang, ok?".
Salarians are a cool species, and those STG operatives are pretty hard core :)
Man, it doesn't matter whether it's Mordin or Padok, that sacrifice always gets my eyes to glisten.
Padok Wiks so undeniably awesome that my next replay of ME2 I'm going to send Mordin into the collector heat tubes.
18:25 oh shit my sides
"Perhaps your god and their god share notes?"
Holy crap xD
R.I.P the greatest replacement character of all time.
I might actually like him more, which means I'm most clearly going mad.
Actually I was just too unnerved by the voice actor change on Mordin
I must admit, Im somewhat fascinated by the "Anyone tell you you are a bit.. odd?" dialogue
the other voice actor died, not like he had a choice...
Oh, that explains it.
He didn't, the one who passed away was the voice actor of Zaeed Massani. The reason behind Mordin's VA change has never been clear.
***** oh my bad xd, i knew one died
Oh... I actually ended up liking him. Not enough to do a playthrough without Mordin, but still.
I don't care what anyone says, the most dramatic moment with Mordin was definitely...
Mordin: "I made a mistake!! I made a mistake.."
^ I am beyond manly and even that brought me to tears. To see someone like Mordin suddenly fall to regret, really tear jerking.
Love how they called the Abrahamic religions what they really are: a mythology.
"Some souls die in battle, some die in their sleep. And some die for no reason at all. This is my chance to die for what I believe."
BARS
Nah but it’s actually such a great quote
not only Padok. Mordin, Maelon...all three of them - while having different philosophies - worked on the genophage adjustment project. And all three of them ended up giving their life for this cure.
I adore Mordin and all.
But the STG Base Commander going and dying while trying to save the Krogans is just hardcore.
Padok Wiks. Never had him in Normandy, but he seems pretty cool.
If there was a choice id like to have Padok Wiks as an alternative possible character it would be interesting
You'd think Shepard would say thank you to Padok.