Plane modifications led to Reno air race crash.

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  • Опубликовано: 20 окт 2024

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  • @bigmonmatt
    @bigmonmatt 6 лет назад +1233

    Props to the guy filming the first angle. I can't believe he stood his ground and managed to film it perfectly without shaking

    • @TheGoonSquadd
      @TheGoonSquadd 3 года назад +41

      Facts. Best cameraman west of the Mississippi

    • @dayzexpert8875
      @dayzexpert8875 3 года назад +14

      Longest fukin comment ever, but yeah

    • @dayzexpert8875
      @dayzexpert8875 3 года назад +1

      @Epic Rhino Films i dunno, i think

    • @skylxrk6597
      @skylxrk6597 3 года назад

      @Epic Rhino Films damn bro you just wrote a whole essay 😂

    • @skylxrk6597
      @skylxrk6597 3 года назад

      @Epic Rhino Films hell nah I might read it tonight 😂

  • @TheFlightSimDeck
    @TheFlightSimDeck 8 лет назад +2082

    My god that first angle really puts it into perspective how fast and violent the crash was.

    • @FiveCentsPlease
      @FiveCentsPlease 7 лет назад +46

      Approximately 525-530 mph.

    • @astudentpilotlife
      @astudentpilotlife 7 лет назад +57

      Then imagine what it is like during the WW2.

    • @MisterIvyMike
      @MisterIvyMike 7 лет назад +45

      My grandmother was in the last days of WW2 helpmaid on an german antiaircraftgun, she was at this time 16 or 17 years old, and she tells me long time ago about the airraids at the trainstation they have to protect against Mustangs, Thunderbolt´s and Lightning´s. I think we can not imagine what that was like!

    • @derekwall200
      @derekwall200 6 лет назад +29

      the only merciful aspect of that crash is that the pilot didnt suffer. he was supposedly unconscious on impact. a crash at that speed they dont bother to count body parts

    • @adksmsjudn34321
      @adksmsjudn34321 6 лет назад +9

      That is SHOCKING

  • @stephens5955
    @stephens5955 9 лет назад +1095

    Nobody takes 17 G's without blacking out, regardless of how young you are. However, testing as he said "unproven" tech at an airshow stuffed with people is inexcusable.

    • @GaryCameron
      @GaryCameron 5 лет назад +48

      Even if he was in perfect shape with a military fighter jet G suit he wouldn't stay conscious at 17Gs.

    • @6h471
      @6h471 5 лет назад +43

      Pilot aside, the idea that a P51 could withstand 17g's, even momentarily, is laughable.

    • @PabloGonzalez-hv3td
      @PabloGonzalez-hv3td 5 лет назад +28

      @@timhallas4275 - That's stock. According to the NTSB report the shortened wingspan and tailplane allowed it to withstand greater g loads it also wasn't flying with a wartime fuel load or any armament big difference in weight

    • @timhallas4275
      @timhallas4275 5 лет назад +8

      @@PabloGonzalez-hv3td Decreasing any or all of the lift and control surfaces would have the effect of lowering the maximum G-force possible. A plane doesn't turn harder on less wing. This is common sense. The modifications done to THIS plane were to reduce drag and overall weight in order to get more speed. That worked, and it also decreased the planes ability to make a tight turn... that means it made LESS Gs not more in a turn. This plane crashed because it wasn't capable of turning and maintaining lift . It fell like a rock.

    • @PabloGonzalez-hv3td
      @PabloGonzalez-hv3td 5 лет назад +19

      @@timhallas4275 - Aircraft certainly turn better on less wingspan it's why aerobatic J3 Cubs and Taylorcrafts have clipped wings this modification isn't anything new variants of the Spitfire also had factory clipped wings to increase roll rate and maneuverability it's the same concept behind tightrope walkers holding out gigantic poles and not ski poles the longer poles require more torque to rotate.
      The GG had its ailerons shortened from nearly 7ft to 3ft per wing presumably because any longer and the aircraft was now TOO maneuverable and twitchy with the shortened wingspan he wasn't going for aerobatic capabilities necessitating full span ailerons or combat maneuverability and regardless, the sudden nose up deflection of the elevator at race speed is what caused the high g pitch up and the shortened wings and tail plane - which produced less leverage at higher g loads by virtue of their length - is why it did not break up.
      While the clipped wings could certainly affect lift at lower speeds (less weight would counteract this) at race speeds this couldn't possibly have been an issue there wasn't a loss of lift or the aircraft wouldn't have pitched UP initially when the trim tab broke

  • @lw216316
    @lw216316 7 лет назад +275

    "He pulls up".......after a reported 17Gs...?....I don't think so ....he surely was unconscious ...

    • @FiveCentsPlease
      @FiveCentsPlease 7 лет назад +27

      +lw216316 Loss of the the trim tab would cause the plane to pull up from aerodynamic forces. That's why the trim is being used, so that the pilot does not have to work hard on the controls to keep the plane level at race speeds. The stick forces in the accident would have been too fast and too hard for the pilot to fight. The 17Gs were vertical, along with deceleration Gs (the plane slowed down from about 500+ mph to 375 mph in a short time in the pullup.) Yes the pilot passed out from that. Not an age issue, just beyond what the human body can take.

    • @lw216316
      @lw216316 3 года назад

      @Epic Rhino Films did you know a mechanic named Bob Hope? (yes, his real name) who worked on Rare Bear ?

    • @amjan
      @amjan 3 года назад +3

      I don't think the 74 year old guy could withstand 5 Gs to be honest. Firstly, the old age. Secondly, I don't think he was in a strict physical regimen to be top fit for that particular age to begin with.

    • @greaseaddiktz3217
      @greaseaddiktz3217 3 года назад

      Yea he was

  • @Gmon750
    @Gmon750 3 года назад +72

    I worked at the Reno Air Races every year for almost 15 years. I was there the day of that crash. The impact was so powerful that the entire tarmac shook and I felt far away from the distance. The Reno Air Race was never the same again.

    • @blitzenJunior
      @blitzenJunior Год назад

      is that rly true..

    • @bradsanders6954
      @bradsanders6954 Год назад

      I was there. Ive never seen a plane hit the ground anything like that and not be an instant fire. 500 mph into the ground.

  • @Stephen2846
    @Stephen2846 8 лет назад +1030

    To all the commentators who have never flown an aircraft or have read an NTSB Report:
    1) The pilot lied on his paperwork and stated he was 59, not 74.
    2) The plane had multiple modifications that required testing, but the testing was not performed. Therefore the plane was not certified to fly.
    3) Old parts were used in the sections of the plane that failed. A guy will put $500,000.00 into an engine, but will not replace a worn out $4.00 lock-nut. That's stupidity.
    4) Multiple control surfaces on the air-frame were cut down to eliminate weight; that also eliminates control.
    5) The P-51 was flying much faster than it was designed to. Nothing was down to strengthen the plane, only lighten it.
    6) Had the pilot not suffered G-force blackout he could have still flown that plane even with a damaged "elevator/pitch control" surface.
    7) It was the rapid pitch up at 500 plus mph that caused him to black out.
    8) This crash was the direct result of pilot/mechanic induced failure due to improper use of worn components and unapproved modifications to the aircraft!

    • @johnfranklin4038
      @johnfranklin4038 8 лет назад +32

      3: Suicidal... and took a lot of people with him... I know US people sue too much but that would be a slam dunk. Plus suing the organizers since they obviously did not inspect the planes beforehand or they would have noticed the modifications.
      These types of "sports" should NOT have specators right next to the "track". It's just begging for disasters to happen. VR has come a long way. Have the spectators in air conditioned comfort MILES away and let them choose to watch from a drone camera or even wingtip cameras on the planes NOT watch where the damn planes can land on your head...

    • @johnfranklin4038
      @johnfranklin4038 8 лет назад +50

      simpsonfan13
      accidents are one thing, someone cutting corners and not informing the body governing the air show WHICH HE WAS SUPPOSED TO DO is another... would you want to go to a nascar race if they didn't have those safety walls and nets between the course and you, your wife and your children? if so, you're insane and need help

    • @88mike42
      @88mike42 7 лет назад +25

      @Stephen2846...Many pilots lose that healthy fear/respect the older and "more experienced" they become.
      I once knew a guy who flew charters and he didn't exercise the prop or do a mag check because he thought it upset the passengers to hear the engine lose RPM, or the prop making that funny dragging noise. What an idiot he was. Guess that's why there are old pilots and bold pilots...but no that many old bold pilots.

    • @Red-Magic
      @Red-Magic 6 лет назад +12

      Your 5 is flimsy. It was rebuilt to be a racing machine. Therefore weight had to be cut off.

    • @tommypetraglia4688
      @tommypetraglia4688 6 лет назад +5

      simpsonfan13
      Not really. Ask any Tort lawyer and they'll tell you the public has an expectation of safety if not specifically warned of hazards that may lead to injury of death. And certainly placing the spectator gallery under the race course does expose their paying guests to such hazards.
      You take a seat you paid for... you don't really have a choice but to put yourself in a danger zone.
      By your line of thinking, that crowd would be less than half the size. How do you think that would sit with organizers? It would sit well. In a couple of years there'd be no race

  • @EvtheNev
    @EvtheNev 8 лет назад +2167

    The hell is a safety barrier gonna do if a plane is coming at you at 500mph...

    • @Chrismasterski
      @Chrismasterski 6 лет назад +99

      its there to stop shrapnel and debris if something happens outside of the barrier

    • @everythinggaming7938
      @everythinggaming7938 6 лет назад +21

      reduce shrapnel deaths and injuries

    • @MikeJones-rk1un
      @MikeJones-rk1un 6 лет назад +31

      Wondering why people wouldn't be safer INSIDE the loop where a crash or debris would fly away from them.

    • @lubu4u312
      @lubu4u312 6 лет назад +1

      Its just a giant cage.

    • @Hackanhacker
      @Hackanhacker 5 лет назад +1

      lol its not to stop a plane xD But debris.

  • @TheAxe4Ever
    @TheAxe4Ever 9 лет назад +1239

    Jim Leeward should have never been flying in this race at his age. He was very careless with the maintenance of his planes let alone modifications. Yes, I knew Jim Leeward. Leeward air ranch contacted my father who had a radiator shop about fixing the radiator in his "Galloping Ghost" years ago. The radiator was completely rotted out and needed a new core. Of course, it is a specialty item and was expensive to replace. But a drop in the bucket to a multi millionaire like Leeward. He told my father to "fill it up with stop leak. As long as it will hold up long enough for one race". My dad refused to fill it with stop leak because he could'nt guarantee it would hold long enough to take off with and could obviously overheat the engine and cause engine failure. Leeward got pissed and did it himself. Guess what? It overheated at the race, luckily before he even took off and froze the engine which wound up costing him way more in engine repairs than if he would have replaced the radiator core. Because of Jim Leewards cocky, didn't give a shit attitude about safety, who knows how many other mods or simple maintenance issues he ignored. And because of him, 10 innocent spectators were killed. Absolutely tragic!

    • @orangejoe204
      @orangejoe204 9 лет назад +96

      TheAxe4Ever Thank Christ somebody is calling this one correctly instead of simply saying "If you go to an air race, you should expect to get killed. It's not the race's fault."
      I do agree there's risk you assume. But you also assume that the pilots and the airframes are going to be held to a minimum reasonable standard. The fact that his octegenarian Galloping Frankenstein was allowed to be flown with long-expired parts was where the system failed. This is pure bush-league, dirt-track shit. Ensure your planes are airworthy with those millions of dollars and then you don't have to defend your sport when one of your racers kills themselves and a bunch of fans negligently. Zero sympathy for Reno Air Races, they need to suffer financially for this.

    • @The_Conspiracy_Analyst
      @The_Conspiracy_Analyst 8 лет назад +17

      +TheAxe4Ever I can't thumbs up this one enough. Once I read the NTSB report I said to myself "good god this idiot yuppie playboy didn't know day one shit about aircraft maintenance!" He did't even have lock wire on the fasteners FFS! I bet he just slapped a bolt he got from Home Depot in there instead of a properly spec'ed part! Probably put some locktite on there and said "there that outta do her!"

    • @vidproject
      @vidproject 8 лет назад +3

      +TheAxe4Ever radiator core.... hmmm LOL ok.

    • @TheAxe4Ever
      @TheAxe4Ever 8 лет назад +81

      vidproject What part of radiator core don't you understand? Guess you've never worked on radiators before.

    • @The_Conspiracy_Analyst
      @The_Conspiracy_Analyst 8 лет назад +22

      I mean, I wish there was 1/1000th the amount of self restraint and enforced regulation on this guy's behavior that is put on auto motorsport enthusiasts such as myself. I've scrapped a truck frame because i KNEW it was going to be unsafe as a vehicle put back on the road. I took a loss on it. Compare it to this asshole -- look what he did --- no stops pulled on his express ego trip!!!!

  • @southernbreeze3278
    @southernbreeze3278 6 лет назад +187

    The plane crashed because one time use locking nuts were re-used. TSB Final Report

    •  5 лет назад +21

      ...sounds like he had a history of penny pinching.

    • @sunday_funday7765
      @sunday_funday7765 3 года назад

      @Epic Rhino Films Tsunami was not a p-51.

    • @stevegiboney4493
      @stevegiboney4493 3 года назад

      @Epic Rhino Films , keep pasting... you are not a pilot, it’s obvious. Your “theory” is bunk.your “decapitation “ theory is not part of any faa or Ntsb report. Stay off the bottle.

    • @831BeachBum
      @831BeachBum 3 года назад +5

      What's interesting to me is there's been no mention of the pre-race inspection done by the Air Race group Inspectors. They are licensed mechanics that inspect all the airplanes prior to any flying.
      The red fiber nylon locknut used on the Ghost I had read had been original. According to FAA regs that nut attaching the the trim tab actuator rod to trim tab should have been a castellated nut that uses a cotter pin. No way that nut will come off. I think Inspectors missed it.

    • @richlabombard6780
      @richlabombard6780 3 года назад

      @Epic Rhino Films You said it was a P51.

  • @TonySeagle
    @TonySeagle 7 лет назад +1014

    "The systems aren't proven yet. We think they're gonna be okay." Jerk.

  • @427SuperSnake1
    @427SuperSnake1 11 лет назад +499

    People think he managed to keep it out of the stands. That's hilarious considering he was unconscious!!!!!!!!

    • @Admiralty86
      @Admiralty86 3 года назад +10

      @Epic Rhino Films boy, pilots sure love to TALK AND TALK.

    • @texasflapjackflapjack5657
      @texasflapjackflapjack5657 3 года назад +6

      @@Admiralty86 lmao fr

    • @usnationalist8150
      @usnationalist8150 3 года назад +4

      Admiralty86: Right, what chapter u on? I got through the first two tonight but really not feeling the book he wrote 😂

    • @pogmothoin1655
      @pogmothoin1655 3 года назад +5

      @Epic Rhino Films You missed the bit out about the yeast infection and your cat's name.

    • @stevegiboney4493
      @stevegiboney4493 3 года назад +1

      @Epic Rhino Films , except the same thing happened to voodoo with Bob Hannah. The bolts that held the trim tab in place had locknuts that should have been replaced. It was not the mods that caused this to happen.

  • @FiveCentsPlease
    @FiveCentsPlease 12 лет назад +80

    The 17g measurement was telemetry data directly from sensors on the plane, along with the readings showing the throttle was untouched during the accident. Photographic evidence on Page 25 of the NTSB Image Study shows the pilot unconscious and slumped forward to the right in the cockpit. The claims aren't made up.The NTSB states that the G-loading was "beyond human tolerance."

    • @FiveCentsPlease
      @FiveCentsPlease 3 года назад +5

      @@TugIronChief Bob Hannah? He passed out when he lost a trim tab and his plane climbed straight up until it had passed 9000 feet. He regained consciousness face down with the control stick between his neck and shoulder, and he was able to regain control and land. Jimmy Leeward didn't die from the G-loads in the Galloping Ghost crash. He was unconscious and the plane nosed into the ground. The NTSB cause of death was blunt force injuries.

    • @FiveCentsPlease
      @FiveCentsPlease 3 года назад +4

      @@TugIronChief Not sure what you mean. Jimmy Leeward was the only race pilot involved in this accident. There was no mid-air collision.

  • @AlfaKenyBody
    @AlfaKenyBody 3 года назад +77

    74 Grandpa facing 17 Gs... He was already sleeping way long ago.

    • @titanproductions3628
      @titanproductions3628 3 года назад

      @Manny Darrow why tf should this be funny.

    • @tonyp2632
      @tonyp2632 3 года назад

      At his age he was probably dead before he hit the crowd.

    • @SphereOfStreaming
      @SphereOfStreaming Год назад

      @@tonyp2632 that’s literally what he said lmao

  • @PzKpfw04
    @PzKpfw04 6 лет назад +398

    "Eleven people died, including the pilot." Thanks for the clarification. I might have thought he survived.

    • @PabloGonzalez-hv3td
      @PabloGonzalez-hv3td 5 лет назад +63

      It's just clarifying that it wasn't 11 spectators

    • @crazyleyland5106
      @crazyleyland5106 4 года назад +12

      An impact at that speed will always be unsurvivable. Here in Britain we had an airshow tragedy in 2015 where a vintage Hawker Hunter crashed when the pilot blacked out doing a loop the loop, killing 11 people who were watching from outside the airfield. The plane skidded along at high speed and the pilot was flung out (not using the ejector seat) and thanks to our NHS and modern trauma care, he survived. But this incident has spoiled UK airshows since, as the use of vintage jets is now very restricted, and there are presently no Hunters, one of our finest old jet fighters, because of this terrible crash.

    • @THE-BUNKEN-DRUM
      @THE-BUNKEN-DRUM 4 года назад +1

      @Beentga757 : Ha if we ever make it through this year. It'll something to celebrate.

    • @THE-BUNKEN-DRUM
      @THE-BUNKEN-DRUM 4 года назад

      @Beentga757 : HAHA Class.
      Hmm Seriously though, not a bad idea.

    • @IP0Monsturd
      @IP0Monsturd 4 года назад +6

      My High School football coach would of told the pilot “Walk it off and don’t be a pussy”

  • @joneslego3645
    @joneslego3645 6 лет назад +224

    i thought he said "i love when people die" at 0:08 , scared me for a bit

  • @Medic_312
    @Medic_312 7 лет назад +309

    "The systems aren't proven yet, we think they will be ok"
    That's the thinking that cost 11 lives and 64 injuries.
    I hope he is thriving in hell for his lies
    Was no accident

    • @cortster12
      @cortster12 6 лет назад +15

      He had a one-way ticket to nonexistence, if that helps any.

    • @96alpha46
      @96alpha46 5 лет назад +2

      First of all that video was filmed well before the incident you are required to prove the aircraft before you can even qualify. Also it is not a criminal matter, the lock nut securing the trim tab was faulty neither the crew nor leeward knew about it or to my understanding could have known about it.

    • @iconiaman
      @iconiaman 5 лет назад +1

      @@cortster12 we will exist for eternity.....just where is the question.

    • @billd8878
      @billd8878 5 лет назад

      @Bob Loblaw what a stupid comment! You don't have to listen to any of this at all.if you think this is a stupid hobby then don't pay any attention to it.nobody forces people to go watch air race shows.this was just an unfortunate accident.

    • @gogogeedus
      @gogogeedus 5 лет назад +1

      @Bob Loblaw they can fix cars, because cars cant fall out of the sky. and we can walk but we cant fly, no matter how hard we flap our arms.

  • @trobi81
    @trobi81 12 лет назад +70

    He was unconscious after enduring a 17G turn so it wasn't possible for him to avoid the crowd. This happened at over 400 miles per hour.

    • @mjisurdad
      @mjisurdad 2 года назад +1

      No shit. It says that in the video.

    • @mylanmiller9656
      @mylanmiller9656 Год назад

      It was over 500 MPH he had just blew by Rare Bear like his engine was shut off.

  • @sorosaltgaming
    @sorosaltgaming 4 года назад +56

    1:47 Death was literaly staring them in the eye

  • @MichaelMordor
    @MichaelMordor 3 года назад +42

    Yes, the pilot caused the deaths but what about the organizers letting a 74 year old fly in these shows

    • @FiveCentsPlease
      @FiveCentsPlease 3 года назад +1

      + Michael Mordor The FAA says who can fly with yearly medical exams. A much younger pilot would not have been able to save this plane because it was a violent loss of control.

    • @kevochris6703
      @kevochris6703 3 года назад

      @@FiveCentsPlease yeah but a much younger pilot wouldn't have Alzheimers and make such a stupid decision to even fly that plane or even do what modifications that this idiot did.

  • @yogibeer9319
    @yogibeer9319 3 года назад +13

    “We think it will be ok.” I’m no expert on aircraft but that sounds like a sketchy thing to say about modifying an aircraft

  • @mattj.gilbertpadilla9404
    @mattj.gilbertpadilla9404 9 лет назад +130

    The Pilot was an idiot. If your system doesn't prove that it's qualified to fly don't fly it. As well, if a plane is malfunctioning, your job is to get the plane away from spectators even if you realize it miles ahead.

    • @FiveCentsPlease
      @FiveCentsPlease 9 лет назад +2

      +Matt J. Gilbert Padilla
      Put the blame on the person(s) who assembled the trim tab mechanism and decided to reuse the old nuts and bolts instead of buying new ones that would hold. Regarding the accident, it was too quick for a pilot to react and loss of the trim control would have slammed the control stick backwards with a force too strong for a pilot to overcome, per the NTSB report.

    • @leechang5050
      @leechang5050 8 лет назад +13

      +FiveCentsPlease He was 74 and racing planes... Selfish old coot.

    • @FiveCentsPlease
      @FiveCentsPlease 8 лет назад +4

      *****
      The trim tab and suspected components were recovered and are detailed in the Materials Laboratory Report from the NTSB. That analysis correlated with the time stamped photo study showing the trim tab control horns moving beyond the normal range of travel allowed the NTSB to conclude that the trim tab control linkages failed first followed by flutter and separation of the trim tab after loss of control. dms.ntsb.gov/public/51500-51999/51746/502814.pdf

    • @FiveCentsPlease
      @FiveCentsPlease 8 лет назад +4

      *****
      They found evidence (based on examining the anti-corrosion coatings) that fatigue cracks were present in some of the attachment screws prior to the accident race, along with old paint from when the plane flew years ago, meaning that the hardware had never been replaced. The NTSB also described the self-locking feature of the locknuts as "essentially nonexistent" and could be removed with fingers, which I interpret as the hardware was beyond service life and had reduced effectiveness. Inspection and newer hardware is now required for all P-51 operators. I interpreted the NTSB conclusions to mean that the old hardware was not safe to use even on a good flying day.

    • @The_Conspiracy_Analyst
      @The_Conspiracy_Analyst 8 лет назад +6

      +tyler t He didn't even have lock wire on there. Day one aircraft maintanence stuff. I'd say he just slapped a random Home Depot bolt in there and called it a day.

  • @orangejoe204
    @orangejoe204 8 лет назад +268

    Most of the events at the Reno Air Races are actually pretty safe (as air races go). It's the Unlimited class (the only such class remaining in the world) that is the really dangerous one. It's dangerous for several reasons, including the extreme speeds and the fact that it's entirely populated by millionaire playboys, but the reason Jimmy Leeward killed himself and all those people wasn't speed: it was the ancient P-51 Mustangs virtually every single Unlimited racer flies.
    The rules for Unlimited class say you can have any mods you want, so long as the plane's piston-driven and has a propeller. The fastest mass-produced piston-driven prop plane ever was the P-51 Mustang, which is why it's basically all they fly. Problem is that every single Mustang in the world is at least 60 years old, and in order to be registered as a Mustang it MUST have a certain portion of original parts. Leeward got killed because he allowed original 60+ year old parts to be used in a plane he'd turned into a hot rod well beyond it's intended lifespan and design safety limits. It'd be like taking an original Model T and putting a V8 in it and wondering why you snapped the drive shaft.
    Jimmy Leeward was a 74 year old multi-millionaire playboy who got rich doing Ponzi schemes in the real estate industry all while pretending he was Howard Hughes. That hot rod he flew into the ground was made from $600,000 in performance parts and was held together with spit and bailing wire. He clearly didn't care at all about his own life, but what a shame he had to take others with him.

    • @pewpscoop
      @pewpscoop 8 лет назад

      +Alex Tocqueville im sure he would have rebuilt the crucial parts.....

    • @Derek-b8q
      @Derek-b8q 8 лет назад +1

      +Alex Tocqueville Most, ? Yet this guy killed people. Hard to justify a stupid race.

    • @FiveCentsPlease
      @FiveCentsPlease 8 лет назад +10

      Most of these planes have been rebuilt many times over and type-certified new parts are available. You can build a most of Mustang with new parts today. The race engines are specially built above original specs, with beefed-up crank journals, etc. The tragedy is that one 60-year-old original locknut is the one part that failed, when modern nuts were already available. One old part that they decided to re-use. The FAA's response was that all flying examples were required to inspect and replace those flight control parts with new ones ASAP. However, the Experimental category allows restricted flight for airplanes that do NOT meet the original type specifications, i.e. they are highly modified or new designs. That gives a lot of wiggle-room for unproven modifications. The race team was faulted for not reporting all of the modifications to the FAA and not performing enough flight testing before the race.

    • @sunday_funday7765
      @sunday_funday7765 8 лет назад

      You are something else I tell ya.

    • @sK3LeTvM1
      @sK3LeTvM1 8 лет назад +32

      A race pilot should not be 74-year old either. I don't think it's allowed in F1 racing either. Crazy Americans...

  • @Ken-ks7wz
    @Ken-ks7wz 10 лет назад +19

    I am returning to watch the race for the first time since 2011. Yes, the bolts should have been replaced, but I have watched P-51s (plural) at higher speeds than this coming out of a dive at transonic speed with the CAF. Tail flutter due to transonic turbulence over the tail surface caused the trim tab to break loose sending Jimmy into a steep climb. This is not the first time it has happened, but I pray it is the last. I still contend that all unlimiteds that can exceed 500mph in level flight should be retrofitted with a flying tail, as was done with the F-86 in Korea to fix the same problem. No, I'm not an expert, but know which experts to listen to. BTW, Jimmy did not turn that plane at the last second. That plane changed its angle on its own before impact. That is the only evidence that we have. From my angle in the stands, it went slightly behind the stands at its apex.

    • @simpsonfan13
      @simpsonfan13 8 лет назад

      51's can go trans-sonic in a dive? where can i look this up? I'm genuinely curious.

    • @seymourscagnetti1413
      @seymourscagnetti1413 3 года назад

      CHECK OUT THE BRAIN ON KEN!............WELL STATED SIR.

    • @Rant_Drive
      @Rant_Drive Год назад

      "No, I'm not an expert, but know which experts to listen to" the idiocy of that statement is staggering.

  • @nanomage
    @nanomage 6 лет назад +39

    "improved safety including improved G force training for pilots." How exactly would that training have influenced this crash, a 22 year old fighter pilot in a G-suit would have blacked out from 17 G's.

    • @Yumbled
      @Yumbled 3 года назад +2

      probably training to avoid hitting 17 Gs lol

    • @EnglertRacing96
      @EnglertRacing96 3 года назад

      @@Yumbled well, the trim tab unexpectedly came loose so... he wasn't trying to pull 17g

    • @Yumbled
      @Yumbled 3 года назад

      @@EnglertRacing96 your mom

    • @EnglertRacing96
      @EnglertRacing96 3 года назад

      @@Yumbled haaaa good one.

    • @Yumbled
      @Yumbled 3 года назад

      @@EnglertRacing96 ha ha gotemmmmm

  • @markwilliams2620
    @markwilliams2620 5 лет назад +9

    "Below 2,000 feet, a Mustang will kill you".
    -Some old guy who flew Mustangs for 40 years quoted in a 1991 airplane magazine I read while waiting in line.

    • @markwilliams2620
      @markwilliams2620 3 года назад

      The article wasn't a comment on the Reno Races. It was from an experienced Mustang pilot who was commenting on the then recent fatal crash of a Mustang by a wealthy owner who had just purchased the aircraft.

  • @zacharyrobbins7242
    @zacharyrobbins7242 8 лет назад +12

    I remember this like it happened yesterday. Being in the Crowd seated 20 feet away from the impact zone really frightening. However still attending every year.

    • @vidproject
      @vidproject 8 лет назад +3

      +Zachary Robbins 20' away I bet you have some great pictures or video. where can we see it?

    • @AdamsBrew78
      @AdamsBrew78 3 года назад +1

      How was there no fire/explosion?

    • @thehorsecockexpress1068
      @thehorsecockexpress1068 3 года назад

      @@AdamsBrew78 they were racing so likely had very little fuel for weight

    • @AdamsBrew78
      @AdamsBrew78 3 года назад

      @@thehorsecockexpress1068 they definitely had enough fuel for an explosion. After my comment, I looked it up and it was a widely discussed mystery to those investigating the crash.
      There was unlit fuel all over the crash area and on the spectators.

    • @neilhobson3624
      @neilhobson3624 3 года назад

      Gosh! You were lucky Zachary. I bet the noise was huge 😀 🇬🇧.

  • @geoh7777
    @geoh7777 10 лет назад +17

    Decades ago, I was at the SCCA sports car races at Santa Barbara airport. The last thing on my mind was danger from airplanes.
    During the pause between two races, I was watching a single engine aircraft flying over the airport at around 1000-2000 feet when suddenly it started leaving a thick, black trail of smoke and the prop stopped rotating. It immediately made a turn toward my direction and was dropping like a rock. I didn't know which direction to run, so just stood there as it continued its trajectory in my direction. Then, it snapped a turn to the left and glided to a perfect landing on the back straightaway. We learned later when they got the pilot onto the PA system to explain what had happened. The pilot had never lost control when the engine "blew a jug" (had a cylinder fail on a big radial engine), but it impressed me just how helpless a person can be when an airplane fails to do as expected.
    .

    • @MrSunrise-
      @MrSunrise- 5 лет назад +1

      Google "Gimli Glider" for autosport/aircraft giggles.

    • @Toxic2T
      @Toxic2T 3 года назад

      @@MrSunrise- Thanks

  • @wesleywlee
    @wesleywlee 3 года назад +6

    The Reno Air Races have been going on for decades. This was the first and only crash that involved spectators. My Uncle and Father have been involved with the races my whole life, we were there that day. It was tragic.

  • @type0negative136
    @type0negative136 3 года назад +1

    Wow! So cute and lovely scenario! Please do it again some other time. Bravo!!! Clap clap!!

  • @frankxu2321
    @frankxu2321 5 лет назад +4

    530mph.... That even faster than a 787 facing head wind! What a crazy modification.

  • @borninjordan7448
    @borninjordan7448 10 лет назад +14

    As a pilot in training. I am saddened by the stupidity of people who have a prejudice against flying. They would rather shit on other people's dreams. All the other race pilots landed A-OK. This guy died because he did something stupid to his airplane. The other SMART pilots were unharmed. And humans can survive as much as 25 Gs.

    • @FiveCentsPlease
      @FiveCentsPlease 10 лет назад +2

      That depends on the direction and duration of the G loading. The human body reacts differently to vertical and horizontal G-loading. A few milliseconds of high G is tolerable while longer periods can cause blackouts or damage to the body.

    • @Lee-70ish
      @Lee-70ish 9 лет назад +3

      maybe but 74 was way too old to be pushing high G's this guy had more money than common sense

    • @FiveCentsPlease
      @FiveCentsPlease 9 лет назад +7

      *****
      Bob Hannah was around 40 yrs old when Voodoo lost a trim tab and he blacked out in a similar manner. He was lucky that his plane continued vertical and didn't nose over, and he woke up face down in the cockpit with his hands touching the floor and was able to land. And I believe he quit racing after that. Point being that the NTSB stated that the forces involved were beyond human tolerance for any pilot, and NASA and the USAF studied it and said that even a G-suit would not have made a difference.

  • @KrosanBeast315
    @KrosanBeast315 7 лет назад +34

    0:49 "The systems aren't proven yet..." That was a BAD SIGN.

  • @Ferreal92
    @Ferreal92 5 лет назад +13

    "A lot of people died INCLUDING THE PILOT." Gee, ya think?

  • @StropSharp
    @StropSharp 3 года назад +1

    I seen an actual full size P-51 Mustang do a high speed low pass at our 400 ft RC field and it literally looked like 4 to 5 snap shots as it went by at 400 mph our eyes couldn't keep up...Its amazing this camera guy was able to catch all of that.

    • @crashburn3292
      @crashburn3292 2 года назад +1

      You seen that?

    • @StropSharp
      @StropSharp 2 года назад

      @@crashburn3292 yes when I was into RC our club hired a guy who owned a P-51 and they did a raffle for a ride and he and the winner did a high speed pass about 1 foot off the runway. All the pilot wanted for payment was a case of beer.

  • @thebigchip1711
    @thebigchip1711 3 года назад +7

    “We think it is going to be ok.” Famous last words

  • @averagekobenienjoyer7639
    @averagekobenienjoyer7639 5 лет назад +15

    Imagine how sad it must’ve been for the people that died or had family members there jus enjoying the air show and then it crashes into them😓

  • @Rob1972Gem
    @Rob1972Gem 8 лет назад +9

    Very sad i have seen some comments about old planes at air races it not the planes it very sad to say a 74 year old man should never be fly in a bloody air race . Air racing is great but it not a sport were 74 year old reactions and i have read that he had altered the plane IE. over striped down to below minimum tolerances the NTSB report was very critical of the modifications made to the aircraft very sad day

    • @MrToddtimmons
      @MrToddtimmons 7 лет назад +1

      A bag of bones that's all he was Killed the innocent

  • @phlodel
    @phlodel 7 лет назад +14

    The P51D was a compromised design to start with. WWII Military pilots were directed to limit dive speed because the tail structure could be overloaded and fail at high speed. The speed this aircraft was flying during the race was beyond the limit imposed for combat.

    • @bigtime9597
      @bigtime9597 6 лет назад

      Actually, it failed because Jim shortened the control surfaces and failed other checks. Pilot does not equate to being able to put your plane together. That's a mechanic or engineer's job.

    • @Roger2465
      @Roger2465 5 лет назад

      It never failed in ww2 it was just very hard to pull out of a dive at high speed with it. This idiot used one time use nuts and bolts

    • @PabloGonzalez-hv3td
      @PabloGonzalez-hv3td 5 лет назад

      @@bigtime9597 - Shortening the control surfaces did not contribute to the accident this is a standard modification that goes along with shortening the wingspan and tail plane. If the control surfaces remain their original length the aircraft becomes too responsive and twitchy

    • @bigtime9597
      @bigtime9597 5 лет назад +1

      @@PabloGonzalez-hv3td If you watched the whole video, they said the control surfaces were shortened TOO MUCH, and the changes were never registered.

    • @PabloGonzalez-hv3td
      @PabloGonzalez-hv3td 5 лет назад +1

      @@bigtime9597 - That was not said at all and accurately speaking the aircraft wasn't modified too much it was modified improperly without any testing and those modifications weren't disclosed to the FAA which was a violation of its airworthiness certificate but the physical length of the control surfaces did not contribute in any way. The accident was caused by an improperly secured left elevator trim tab which broke loose instantly ceasing to produce the required nose down trim force allowing the elevator to deflect in the opposite direction it was trimmed for hence the violent pitch up

  • @cbeak8283
    @cbeak8283 6 лет назад +2

    his air ranch Leeward air ranch is only 15 miles from where i live in Ocala, Florida.
    I did some surveying for his expansion of New runways about 20 years ago.

  • @glennroberts461
    @glennroberts461 3 года назад +2

    Moving the stands back isn't going to do squat when an elevator tab comes off at random. Spectators at any racing event in any type of vehicle take their chances.

  • @keithdraycott
    @keithdraycott 4 года назад +22

    It's always sad whenever there's any loss of life at an airshow event.
    But, I've always though that air racing is a total waste of irreplaceable warbirds

    • @crashstitches79
      @crashstitches79 2 года назад

      Especially now with the proliferation of replicas like T-51's, but millionaires are gonna do millionaire stuff.

  • @IceyGuy
    @IceyGuy 6 лет назад +34

    Imagine your last moment, seeing a plane come at you like that.

    • @gladstream8262
      @gladstream8262 3 года назад +2

      My grandparent died like that in the USS Intrepid during a massive kamikaze attack back in the 40’s

  • @daveblevins3322
    @daveblevins3322 3 года назад +4

    17 G's. "C'mon man". "You know, the Thing" !!! The thing comes apart at 17 x gravity !

  • @RetrocarStyle
    @RetrocarStyle 6 лет назад +24

    imagine feeling the impact and shock wave when that plane hit the ground......

    • @roquefortfiles
      @roquefortfiles 5 лет назад +3

      530 mph in a prop plane? And 9/11 nuts say United 175 couldn't fly at 560 mph coming out of a 10,000 ft/ min dive? They have got to be kidding.

    • @roquefortfiles
      @roquefortfiles 5 лет назад +6

      @@drdefecation I think the argument is that it can't do this speed at sea level. Which is just a joke as the plane is ridiculously easy to over speed. And considering the fact that its final descent was 10,000/ min nearly full powered descent. And they're surprised it was going 560mph? I am surprised it wasn't going faster.

    • @EclipsedMoon666
      @EclipsedMoon666 5 лет назад +9

      The impact was very harsh, it made me fall off the bleaches and one of my ears were bleeding from the loud noise right before it crashed.

    • @freedomisntfree5573
      @freedomisntfree5573 3 года назад +3

      @@EclipsedMoon666my friend was in the suite where the plane hit. He was there with a guy who worked on the governors on the props. They kept him on life support until his kids got there to say goodbye.
      Miss that guy

    • @whereami2477
      @whereami2477 3 года назад

      @@EclipsedMoon666 Jesus. Imagine being one of those directly hit by the plane. Unimaginable

  • @camptube7621
    @camptube7621 3 года назад +1

    The pilot saying he wasn’t sure is terrifying.

  • @RADIOACTIVEBUNY
    @RADIOACTIVEBUNY 10 лет назад +5

    2:09
    That's a Huey. They had the guy who brought it out use it as a medivac helicopter.

  • @Howrider65
    @Howrider65 9 лет назад +37

    Yeah like putting a 427 in an old Volkswagen beetle then going 150 with it...Just a stupid show off...

    • @orangejoe204
      @orangejoe204 8 лет назад +3

      +Howard B Basically. Those P51s are 60+ year old Frankenstein monsters. No reason at all they should be flying, except they're a status symbol for the millionaires who do the Unlimited race. The rest of the races are much more reasonable.

    • @simpsonfan13
      @simpsonfan13 8 лет назад +4

      Them being old has shit to do with this. A PROPERLY maintained and inspected plane can fly safely regardless of age. Fuck, the B-52's have been completely rebuilt multiple times since they rolled off the line and are projected to be retired at nearly 100 years of service.

    • @Sugarsail1
      @Sugarsail1 6 лет назад

      they said the same when Indy started

    • @SFbayArea94121
      @SFbayArea94121 4 года назад

      Sugarsail1 they said the same when my ex’s mama started. Now she’s all old, washed up and worn out with no chance for recovery or a fixer upping

    • @glennfalzo3718
      @glennfalzo3718 4 года назад

      H B:Carl Shelby put a 427 in a British car he re-named "Cobra"! If you look at any "RESPECTED" owner of a P51 either for just flying, like Kirmit Weeks, or Jack Roush, or racing like Steve Hinton, they go over the aircraft with a "Fine Tooth Comb" to be sure all is ok, if parts need to be replaced, they replace them, if they can't find the part, they make them from original blue prints! I don't believe ANYONE, other then this IDIOT, would put pilot OR spectators in danger of death or injury! I don't for the life of me understand why the RENO Racing Board DIDN'T require he submit ALL paperwork confirming ALL work, Testing, AND FAA certification BEFORE allowing him to register his aircraft to race!

  • @boldlionpro2814
    @boldlionpro2814 3 года назад +5

    So a 74 year old was flying a custom vintage sports plane? What could go wrong 😑. I’m sorry for the loss of life and the horrific experience endured by those dear people. Father give them peace, hope and healing through this time, in Jesus name Amen

  • @millsrd100
    @millsrd100 6 лет назад +22

    My wife and I had almost this same view but we were probably 30-40 feet to the right of this camera angle and a couple of rows lower down. By the time I heard the crowd react and looked up, all I could see was the white bottom of the plane. A person likes to think that the self-preservation instinct would kick in and cause one to MOVE...but there was no time. Not sure if Jimmy was still awake to pull it up a little but if he was, I thank him. Had the plane continued on a straight path, the death toll resulting from a direct hit on the packed grandstand would have been much higher...including us. Still think about the survivors and family of the dead a lot. Blessings to them.

    • @dustyflair
      @dustyflair 6 лет назад +3

      FUCK THAT GUY!!!!

    • @VioletSerenade
      @VioletSerenade 6 лет назад

      wow!

    • @beenaplumber8379
      @beenaplumber8379 6 лет назад +2

      He was out at the time. A steep, super-fast dive will cause the plane to pull up if it had previously been flying slower (i.e., trimmed at lower speed), which would look as if the pilot was pulling it up. Higher speed raises the nose. That is, as long as the pilot wasn't passed out over the stick.

    • @GaudetteProductions1
      @GaudetteProductions1 5 лет назад +1

      Beena Plumber Due to the trim tab failure not even a world champion strongman could have pulled the stick enough to get out of the dive.

    • @beenaplumber8379
      @beenaplumber8379 5 лет назад +2

      ​@@GaudetteProductions1 Crikey, I forgot about the trim tab, but the effect is the same. Since the plane was trimmed for high speed, the trim tab was holding it nose-down. With loss of the trim tab, the nose-down force was lost (the elevator came up), and the plane shot up. When it hit its maximum altitude and stalled, it came straight down, but without the trim tab holding the nose down, the nose would have come back up a bit as it reached a higher speed. And as I said, that would look as if the pilot was pulling up. I didn't say he was pulling up or that it would have had an effect. Was referring to appearances.

  • @youdontknowme08001
    @youdontknowme08001 3 года назад

    Well a part of the plane broke off, does the pilot deal with the mechanics too ?

  • @iglooproductions
    @iglooproductions 7 лет назад +12

    Stupid pilot. Probably didn't have his seatbelt on. He could have lived.

    • @THE-BUNKEN-DRUM
      @THE-BUNKEN-DRUM 4 года назад

      @ManuxMC :-/ Fucking hell mate. Put ya Tampon back in.

  • @jasonfuller8219
    @jasonfuller8219 3 года назад +3

    I remember that day seeing the helicopters that were in the show bringing in wounded people to Renown Medical Center across the street from my apartment building. Sad that was in Reno

  • @usnationalist8150
    @usnationalist8150 3 года назад +4

    That’s a shame, RIP to all who lost lives.

  • @44hawk28
    @44hawk28 5 лет назад

    To be more precise, it was failure of the trim tab on the elevator that caused that crash. That failure causes the exact same accident in completely unmodified aircraft in the same situation.
    it was until after the failure of the trim tab the aircraft experience the 17g pitch up and roll over.

  • @randomrose8367
    @randomrose8367 5 лет назад +1

    I was at this air show (we were super close to the the front row,where the crash happend) Right before the crash my sister INSISTED she needed to go pee and we were PISSED (because nobody wanted to go with her),but she wanted everyone to go with her,so my mom,me,and My mom's friend and her three kids took her to the bathroom.If she didn't ask to go to the bathroom we probably would've died or been badly injuried.I was seven and my sister was nine.When the crash happened we just left the bathroom and went in this old plane and then we heard the boom.A man rushed into the old plane and said quietly (noticing us children) "A plane has crashed,you must stay here until it's safe to leave."
    This next part is kind of a bluer.My mom carried me and we walked past it all.She held my head to her chest so that I wouldn't see anything.I looked up for a second because I heard sirens and I saw and ambulance.As we got in the car my Mom was bawling.As we drove home I remember seeing a few more things.I kid on his porch starring at us as we drove by from the site (he lived very close) and a teenage girl hugging (what I'm guessing) her boyfriend (bawling just like my Mom) at a park.
    When we got home my Dad was so happy to see us.He has never told me this,but he probably thought we died because of how close we where to the crash.(Also I thought I should note that bo one had a cell phone so we couldn't call him to tell him we were ok).My Dad kept watching the clip over and over yo see if we were killed.
    About an Hour later my mom's friend's brother came to ask us if she died.Of course she was ok,but the terror in his eyes was unseddleimg.
    My Mom said it was a merical my sister had to pee,she also says god made her have to pee so we could live and that I should thank him Now looking back on it thank god we are all ok,but rest in peace those we lost that day.

    • @argentosebastian
      @argentosebastian 3 года назад

      It's interesting to read your history and I was thinking how life is. Just a stupid decision (like going to pee) can change so many peoples life

  • @pornsakpongthong1092
    @pornsakpongthong1092 4 года назад +5

    My oncle, LeMongello Grundal, wast killed in this crash. Please never forget.

  • @TheVFXbyArt
    @TheVFXbyArt 3 года назад +10

    “Damn regulations, I thought this was america, a free country”
    This is the result of that mindset

    • @pepperwood8811
      @pepperwood8811 3 года назад

      It must be cool to think that complex issues are so cut and dry

    • @martinsv9183
      @martinsv9183 3 года назад +2

      Just as the collapse of whole Russia and Eastern Europe was the result of the opposite mindset. Choose wisely :)

    • @konanoobiemaster
      @konanoobiemaster 3 года назад +4

      stupid, old rich men think they're entitled to fly around antique death traps and pretend like it's still 1944

    • @PabloGonzalez-hv3td
      @PabloGonzalez-hv3td 3 года назад +1

      @@pepperwood8811 It wasn't that complex the pilot just really didn't care. Reusing 5 dollar single use locknuts on a multi million dollar plane and ignoring testing requirements.

    • @pepperwood8811
      @pepperwood8811 3 года назад

      @@PabloGonzalez-hv3td I wasn't calling the actions of the pilot complex, I was referring to theVFXbyArts comment where he thinks that this tragedy is the result of people not being regulated enough by the government.

  • @wildcraftone
    @wildcraftone 5 лет назад +7

    17g's is not "lethal." We did G force testing in the 50's. Look up John Stapp. He pulled 46.2G's. What does kill you is sustained G's of 10+ for more than a few minutes.

    • @FiveCentsPlease
      @FiveCentsPlease 5 лет назад +7

      +Trevor Kincy Hitting the ground was the lethal part. Unrecoverable at that altitude with a pilot passed out from Gs.

    • @styles2000bc
      @styles2000bc 4 года назад +4

      17g's was enough to render the pilot unconscious and tear the plane apart-that's pretty lethal !

  • @Trev-jz6yw
    @Trev-jz6yw 2 года назад +1

    The pilot should be held responsible and I hope the families of the people who died and all the other injured survivors got compensated for his negligence!!!

  • @leethomas3349
    @leethomas3349 Год назад

    It’s fascinating how there’s actallly only 1 plane crazy where you see the plane impact the ground, it’s extremely rare

  • @hisvorpalsword
    @hisvorpalsword 3 года назад +8

    I love how people call it a miracle when they almost die. Especially when the people right next to them died horrifically.

    • @aicerg
      @aicerg 3 года назад

      Exactly, like it was a miracle to you and your family, but what about the other people? A bit disrespectful to say such idiocy.

    • @UBrickIFix
      @UBrickIFix 3 года назад

      Yes. God was with them but not the other people that day I guess. Lol

    • @luftwaffle3766
      @luftwaffle3766 2 года назад

      @@aicerg still a miracle tho

  • @dranelemakol
    @dranelemakol 6 лет назад +13

    "The systems aren't proven yet, we think they're gonna be okay..."
    *cue Curb Your Enthusiasm Theme*

  • @iflyc77
    @iflyc77 5 лет назад +3

    I think that it is absolutely amazing, that on this 8 mile long course, the airplane hits the relative sliver of people there to watch.

    • @FiveCentsPlease
      @FiveCentsPlease 5 лет назад

      +Curt Lewis Reno has moved the pylons farther from the spectator area. But in this accident, the aircraft was essentially an unguided 500 mph missile and would have traveled until the pilot regained consciousness or it hit the ground.

    • @seymourscagnetti1413
      @seymourscagnetti1413 3 года назад

      EXACTLY. "ALMOST" AS IF IT WERE INTENTIONAL.

  • @forkstrip1554
    @forkstrip1554 6 лет назад

    In one still photo you can see that the elevator trim tab is entirely missing before impact. Here's what happened:
    1. Higher velocity creates more lift, and trim tabs are used to "dial out" the extra lift and keep the nose down without the need to shove on the control stick. In theory, at the highest certificated speed you can eliminate the need for control pressure. The trim tab will keep the aircraft level.
    2. Aircraft are certified to go up to a certain speed without aerodynamic flutter and the resulting damage that can result. Flutter can affect just about any part of the plane, including trim tabs.
    3. This aircraft had a stock trim tab, but was souped up to go far faster than the plane was designed to go. At top speed the trim tab itself was not enough to keep the nose level. The pilot had to be shoving the stick forward as well.
    4. The trim tab broke off, whether from flutter or some other reason. In that instant the plane became uncontrollable. Even with the stick shoved hard forward the nose would instantly rise, violently and uncontrollably.
    That's what happened. The reason you don't see the pilot in the still photo is that his seat collapsed under enormous G-forces it was never designed to handle. If he wasn't unconscious he was squashed down in the cockpit, and was no longer able to even try to control the plane. Of course, that made the positive pitch problem even worse in the final moments.
    Loss of consciousness or seat collapse were side-effects of the real cause, which was the lost trim tab.

    • @FiveCentsPlease
      @FiveCentsPlease 6 лет назад

      +Forks Trip Nope. The trim tab had been modified for electric operation and only the left side trim tab was functional. The right side elevator trim tab was fixed in place. The failure were the linkages to the trim tab attached with nuts that were out-of-spec instead of new ones. The trim controls failed and this allowed the trim to flutter. The trim controls were already failing before the accident and this was shown in still photos used by the NTSB. The trim tab fluttering and breaking away was only an after-effect after loss of trim control. Loss of trim control at high speeds sent the aircraft out of control with G-loads immediately incapacitating the pilot, who was slumped down against the instrument panel. The crash wasn't because of modifications but just because of some old nuts and bolts.

  • @raymondchapman5990
    @raymondchapman5990 3 года назад

    So, if he was flying straight would it not have lost control like it did ? He was in a turn when the trim tab come off.

    • @FiveCentsPlease
      @FiveCentsPlease 3 года назад

      + Raymond Chapman The trim helps keep the plane stable and reduce the forces on the control stick. When the trim began to fail the plane was like a rubber band with the forces at 500 mph. Not much time for the pilot to react before he blacked out from the loads.

  • @vermin1970
    @vermin1970 10 лет назад +12

    @ david, perhaps you should watch the whole NTSB hearing, then understand how low on facts you are.Yes, the elevator trim tab broke off, but that should never happen on a properly maintained, un-modified aircraft. The NTSB did their homework on this one. What caused the elevator trim tab to break off? it was oscillating badly, so bad, that it ended up severely bending the linkages that controlled it, this happened as he crossed through 400 mph, a speed he HAD NOT been past in this aircraft yet, since he failed to do any testing on it after he modified it. the nuts on the hinges holding this trim tab on were so old, its possible they had been on there since WWII. The nylon on these nuts was so worn that they weren't locking the nuts at all and they could be removed with your fingers. The trim tabs had been modified, they CG was moved aft and weights were added to increase authority, these changes would have added to the oscillation problem.

    • @vermin1970
      @vermin1970 10 лет назад +2

      At the moment of failure, a bolt on the trim tab hinge with fatigue cracks that had rust in them, broke off. this was totally preventable if they had just changed some nuts and bolts. But wait, there's more.. They removed the lower air scoop from the aircraft to stream line it, they also changed the canopy. in one of the photos the NTSB had, you could see the tail section was warping and causing wrinkles in the sheet metal as he flew over. The canopy also had a gap in it that was not there on the ground, indicating airframe flex. This plane was a disaster waiting to happen. He failed to report any of the airframe mods he did to the FAA and didn't even do the 3 hours of testing they recommended for the cooling system change he did report. He was also untruthful about his age and the hours of flight his plane had on it on at least one form, where he reported his age as 59. Seems to me that he didn't much care if he killed himself, it sickens me that he took 10 people on the ground with him.

    • @TheUberGopher
      @TheUberGopher 10 лет назад +2

      Actually that plane exceeded 400 miles an hour when it was stock and brand new.

    • @vermin1970
      @vermin1970 10 лет назад +2

      Yeah, when it was new and maintained, not 80 years old with shoddy maintenance and half the airframe removed with daily overstress, clipped wings and rusty and stripped 80 year old trim tab bolts.. BTW, that 400 mph speed in the original was on WEP and likely in a dive.

    • @MrToddtimmons
      @MrToddtimmons 7 лет назад

      Thank You

    • @dustyflair
      @dustyflair 6 лет назад

      Butch what about the plane pulling 17g's? would that rip the wings off?

  • @theloo4136
    @theloo4136 7 лет назад +27

    Oh the pilot died? Gee wiz

  • @rayher6918
    @rayher6918 6 лет назад +23

    The cause Was OLD NUTS 🔧🔩✈

  • @jasntrace1971
    @jasntrace1971 3 года назад

    No scrutineering before the race?

  • @jooniDj
    @jooniDj 4 года назад +1

    This is the BEST view FROM all videos, rip all dead

  • @dieselscience
    @dieselscience 11 лет назад +10

    No matter how many modifications you make VNE is called VNE for a reason....."Velocity Never to Exceed."

  • @2902sam2902
    @2902sam2902 4 года назад +3

    Not enough airspace, they have to fly over the public

  • @nickq4398
    @nickq4398 4 года назад +26

    Me When I test new keybinds in War Thunder:

    • @lukehindle4680
      @lukehindle4680 4 года назад +4

      come on dude. people died. you cant joke about that.

    • @bozo5982
      @bozo5982 4 года назад +3

      Luke Hindle Look at how much ppl died from coronavirus and still there’s a bunch of memes. Get used to it mate.

    • @ronaldtartaglia4459
      @ronaldtartaglia4459 4 года назад

      Wolf Blood876 gaming is GAY.

    • @bozo5982
      @bozo5982 4 года назад +2

      Ronald Tartaglia no

    • @jojomj
      @jojomj 4 года назад +3

      @@ronaldtartaglia4459 no

  • @scottfrost8956
    @scottfrost8956 3 года назад

    Why was there no fuel explosion? Was the plane virtually empty on fuel?

    • @FiveCentsPlease
      @FiveCentsPlease 3 года назад

      + Scott Frost The plane had 150 gallons of water for the cooling system. So there was a huge cloud of water and fuel which thankfully did not explode.

  • @boshuajardwell2097
    @boshuajardwell2097 3 года назад +2

    That's why I never visit any kind of flight shows in my life!!!

  • @carlosdanger4648
    @carlosdanger4648 6 лет назад +4

    "We think they"re gonna be ok" yea ok thanks guy

  • @jerrymarshall2095
    @jerrymarshall2095 4 года назад +8

    "The galloping ghost,"?I like the "the Darwin dart".

  • @jimczerwinski4951
    @jimczerwinski4951 7 лет назад +24

    I'm 72 and hold a class 1medical . I've flown a Sea fury and a Spitfire Te- 384, T6, Boomerang and Fiat G59. I'm fitter than a lot of 40 year olds. That guy killed himself by pushing past the structural limits of his aircraft. Age had nothing to do with that crash. RIP to him.

    • @tommypetraglia4688
      @tommypetraglia4688 7 лет назад +17

      jim czerwinski
      Spoken like a true arrogant old fuck refusing to give up the keys to your car. It had everything to with his age. Everything deteriorates with age including common sense and good judgement never mind vision, reflexes, musculature and vascular ...
      Just because you're old doesn't give you the right to play with innocent and unsuspecting people's lives

    • @MrToddtimmons
      @MrToddtimmons 7 лет назад +3

      Fuck Him he killed the innocent OLD FART Hey dumb ass how come he is not visible in the cockpit ....Hey stupid that old man is already blacked out Go Fuck Your Self

    • @SeanD44
      @SeanD44 6 лет назад +5

      Your old ass may be ready to check out but that doesn't mean you get to take other people with you. Sit your senile ass down somewhere

    • @lordofthewoods
      @lordofthewoods 6 лет назад +4

      @ Tommy: Meanwhile, teenagers die and kill others every day in car accidents where they are NOT doing 500 mph.
      Should they give up their keys, too?

    • @smeghead666
      @smeghead666 6 лет назад +5

      Have to agree with the old fart here bud, this guy become a dickhead when he hit 70. he was probably a dickhead at 20, still a dickhead through the 30s and kept on being a dickhead till it fucked him and several other people over.

  • @paulmurphy42
    @paulmurphy42 2 года назад

    Can anyone tell me exactly how the engines on the Reno Racers have been modified compared to the original WW2 engines? I know that they've put special fuel in them and they suspend the normal operating limitations - but what other modifications have they made, exactly? Many thanks.

  • @Bread996
    @Bread996 3 года назад +1

    It’s a sad incident but that’s racing. Commenters talking shit about the pilot are just ignorant. Like all race cars, boats, motorcycles etc, this plane was modified and pushed to its limits. That’s what you do in racing. This wasn’t a commercial flight where everything is done by the book.

  • @Virginia91
    @Virginia91 5 лет назад +7

    When you risk your life and others modifying a plane just to win

  • @MongooseFreeRider
    @MongooseFreeRider 11 лет назад +6

    Rest In Pieces Jimmy

  • @AustinPetDetective
    @AustinPetDetective 5 лет назад +6

    Shocking someone of his age with so much responsibility, would act in such a manner ? Reckless and foolish.

  • @stevenhawes1197
    @stevenhawes1197 Год назад

    in the end, it was not the modifications--all the airplanes that fly in the race are experimental category--it was a single fiber locknut that had been reused even though it would no longer lock. That nut secured the elevator trim tab. When the nut fell off the trim tab moved freely, which drove the elevator full up resulting in the 17 g pull up that blacked out the pilot, which prevented him from recovering. Because the trim tab fell off during the climb, it is unlikely that he would have been able to control the airplane, even if he had been conscious. The announcer in this clip had no idea what he was talking about.

  • @MrJohnluvit
    @MrJohnluvit 5 лет назад +1

    Was this filmed through a Spoon ?

    • @BOYTLeRoyJenkins
      @BOYTLeRoyJenkins 5 лет назад

      No, just a cellphone camera, about 8 YEARS ago...

  • @flashstrikewing
    @flashstrikewing 9 лет назад +9

    ya know what my friend told me teh other day,"It must be rough to be rich ".

  • @mhoeltken
    @mhoeltken 11 лет назад +5

    I think this is a highly individual matter. I know many peolpe 70+, who'll beat most specimen of "gemeration internet" in physical and mental health hands down.

    • @drnogueiras8783
      @drnogueiras8783 4 года назад

      Malte Höltken I understand the sentiment, but at 74 everyone is suffering physiological degradation. Everyone.

    • @mhoeltken
      @mhoeltken 4 года назад

      @@drnogueiras8783 Yes, but to be unfit to fly, the starting point and rate of degradation are of significantly higher importance than mere age.

    • @drnogueiras8783
      @drnogueiras8783 4 года назад +2

      Malte Höltken oh boy. I’m way too tired, so I’m not trying to come across as rude or curt, but you’re kind of all over the place so I’m just going to leave it at this: you have guaranteed loss in cognitive and physical function at age 74. The human brain begins a steady decline far before that age... That’s just the reality of the human body. Coupled with the increased risk of other complications, flying in that capacity at that age is absurd and he shouldn’t have been doing it.

    • @seymourscagnetti1413
      @seymourscagnetti1413 3 года назад

      @@drnogueiras8783 SPOT ON!......SHALL WE MENTION THE MANDATORY RETIREMENT AGE FOR COMMERCIAL HEAVY AIRCRAFT PILOTS? I THINK IT IS 65. THERE IS ALSO AN AGE CUT OFF FOR NEW COMMERCIAL PILOTS. I THINK THAT AGE IS 40 OR 44. SOMEONE PLEASE COMMENT HERE WITH THESE CORRECT AGES.

  • @andgate2000
    @andgate2000 9 лет назад +16

    If they're gonna race planes.....race plane that are built/ designed to do 500mph......not modified to do 500 mph.

    • @drainscholar
      @drainscholar 9 лет назад

      andgate2000 Yeah............I dont think there gonna start trying to race jet planes in the unlimited class

    • @orangejoe204
      @orangejoe204 9 лет назад +6

      Julius Nyangoro Then maybe the unlimited class should cease to exist. If it's unwilling to regulate itself I'm sure the FAA will be along to help.
      Leeward's P-51 was a repeatedly-unearthed Frankenstein monster where he had no idea how old the parts were, and some were so elderly they were decades beyond their lifespans. It was unsafe, insane and should have been prevented.

    • @drainscholar
      @drainscholar 9 лет назад +1

      *****
      Thanks for jinxing the unlimited class! 3 days after your comment the unlimited class ceased to exist and now they have added a jet class!

    • @orangejoe204
      @orangejoe204 9 лет назад

      Julius Nyangoro There's already a jet class. Since 2004 it's been an Unlimited Jet class, actually. So the only remaining reason for Unlimited is that it's restricted to piston and propeller.
      I'll say it again. Unlimited is now not even the fastest, just the place for rich old assholes to show off their multi-million dollar warbird rebuilds. Waste of my time.

    • @drainscholar
      @drainscholar 9 лет назад

      *****
      Yeah I knew that I just wanted to add some humor to this......

  • @zilpzalpmukkefukk
    @zilpzalpmukkefukk 2 года назад +1

    Maybe stop gathering big crowds in areas where you race airplanes close to the ground?

    • @zilpzalpmukkefukk
      @zilpzalpmukkefukk 2 года назад

      correction: WW2 era planes flown by WW2 era people

  • @irgski
    @irgski 7 лет назад

    Are these planes considered "experimental" aircraft? If so, do they
    require any sort of FAA certification.

    • @FiveCentsPlease
      @FiveCentsPlease 6 лет назад

      +irgski "Experimental" gives a lot of room to modify. But they must satisfy minimum flight tests and have restricted flight. A new aircraft design would also be "experimental" for its first flight.

    • @PabloGonzalez-hv3td
      @PabloGonzalez-hv3td 5 лет назад

      Yes but experimental is a broad category an aircraft can be built without deviating from any known design convention and still qualify as "experimental"

  • @PrimetimeNut
    @PrimetimeNut 5 лет назад +4

    Jesus Christ the pilot was almost as old as the airframe. A 75 y/o has no place in an air race.

    • @PabloGonzalez-hv3td
      @PabloGonzalez-hv3td 5 лет назад

      Age wasn't a factor it's not like he passed out from the routine g load

  • @elpresti
    @elpresti 5 лет назад +4

    Natgeo: Mayday, Air Crash Investigation

  • @grumpyoldman336
    @grumpyoldman336 5 лет назад +4

    At 74 he should barely be driving a car on the roads let alone flying a modified rig like this... thats appaulling

  • @Doggeslife
    @Doggeslife 4 года назад

    All of the unlimited Gold racers are modified.
    We almost had such a disaster in 1999 when Gary Levitz's modded P-51 came apart at the tail just as he was leaving the grandstand area and heading into turn 1. His plane broke up with parts flying into a nearby neighborhood. Had this happened at the last turn, it could have ended up in the pits or main stands. That plane had the wing and tail feathers from a business jet grafted on!

  • @Nobody-dc8dp
    @Nobody-dc8dp 3 года назад

    Does the race route go over the spectators?

    • @FiveCentsPlease
      @FiveCentsPlease 3 года назад

      +RC/Skater No it does not. After the accident, the closest turning marker was moved farther from the spectator area.

  • @rocketlife9549
    @rocketlife9549 5 лет назад +6

    He was definitely out cold...if he was awake he would have cut the throttle long time ago and wouldn't have been goin full blast

  • @Mrbfgray
    @Mrbfgray 8 лет назад +5

    That's exactly like saying: "NASCAR with modifications from factory stock car led to crash." Really???

    • @Fedaykin24
      @Fedaykin24 7 лет назад +2

      Those NASCAR still have to adhere to design and safety regulations then pass through scrutineering. Making changes to a NASCAR outside of those regulations could and have lead to a crashes. If a NASCAR team makes changes outside of the regulations that leads to a crash then it would be fair to say the modifications were at fault!
      In this case changes were made to an airframe that were outside of safety regulations, those changes were hidden from the FAA and they were a direct causal factor of this fatal incident.
      So yes really!

    • @Mrbfgray
      @Mrbfgray 7 лет назад

      Fedaykin24 Non of that was stated by the news commutator, only 'modifications were made'. So my comment remains valid.

    • @Fedaykin24
      @Fedaykin24 7 лет назад +3

      Bo McGillacutty NO you made an incorrect statement about how NASCAR works and used it as a Strawman argument for this incident. The NTSB stated modifications were made that were withheld from the FAA. Modifications that were dangerous and were direct causal factors for the crash.
      So no what you have said isn't valid.

    • @Mrbfgray
      @Mrbfgray 7 лет назад

      Fedaykin24 The REPORTER HERE said only that the plane was modified. THAT was what I was commenting on, not the NTSB report. Get it? Sheesh.

    • @Fedaykin24
      @Fedaykin24 7 лет назад +2

      Bo McGillacutty Doesn't change the fact that your NASCAR analogy is a Strawman argument..please do keep up. Sheesh

  • @Rocco159d
    @Rocco159d 11 лет назад +7

    I guess he didn't manage anything at all because he was already unconscious.

  • @spryfolII
    @spryfolII 3 года назад +1

    The pilot, no matter how experienced, cannot successfully navigate a turn like that at 500 mph. Maybe 1 time, but then you gotta bail, pitch up slightly, straighten out and bring the plane to a gradual slow down to not cause your blood to stop flowing. That's why pilots pass out, the blood rushes from the brain so fast its like pulling the plug on a sink full of water. It flows so quickly it catches up with itself as its going down the pipe. When the pilot turned his plane on that acute angle, the stresses caused his plane to lose a critical part. Even if he would've completed the turns, once his plane lost part of the aileron, it would've been a miracle if he would've landed safely. Its a sad end to a proud pilot who knew the danger of excessive speed.

  • @LeonidsStrapOn
    @LeonidsStrapOn 5 лет назад +1

    Could've been tennis balls in the exhaust manifold, it was common problem in Packard V-1650-9a Merlins.