i wonder how much tikka action weighs, something like Defiance Anti X 700SA is 22ish oz prob can save quite some too from a factory action. I noticed ur weight saving is from mostly shorter barrel which I personally would prefer not to save weight by shortening barrels.
A factory tikka action without any mods will be probably in the 30oz range. There are certainly lighter-weight action options out there. For example, I went with a MacBros Element for a recent build... around, around 23oz including a trigertech special... however, if you do some ti mods to a Tikka, and have the bolt aggressively fluted, swap the bolt handle for a ti one, etc... you can get a Tikka action into the mid 20s. If you have the cash... Defiance now has their Ti X model which would be around 20oz including a trigger... but at over $2k, it will cost you. The MacBros Element is a good budget compromise between the tikka and going full Ti, and can be had for under $900 with Mil discounts. MacBros are next door to LRI if you want them to do the barrel and chamber work for you. As for the short vs long barrel issue. I would have agreed with you until the past couple years. With the suppressors we run to protect the hearing of the youth we hunt with, a 20 inch or longer barrel just becomes ungainly in the woods... all of my primary hunting rifles now have either a 16 or 18 inch barrel. The velocity loss has been largely overcome with finding powder/bullet combinations that get me back some of the velocity loss from the shorter barrel.
Why would you want a lighter gun? Depending on caliber, when you're shooting a lighter gun it creates more recoil, more barrel jump, harder for a fast follow up shot (like a charging bear), so why would you want to go lighter?
@@dougharlow6037 fair question. I want the bare rifle to be as lightweight as possible so that when I add weight back in (scope, rings, suppressor, tripod, arca rail, ammo sleeve, etc) then the overall finished weight is still packable. Every ounce counts when I'm packing in 12 miles. But, you are correct, there is a point of diminished return with added recoil. It is dependent on your cartridge of choice. My lightest hunting rifle is chambered in 223rem, so recoil is negligible. My next lightest rifle is 4.25lbs bare, and about 7lbs all up. Chambered in a 6mmCM, It is very manageable recoil. My 6.5CM is about 8lbs all up, also manageable for the weight to recoil relationship. But my 6.5prc is over 10lbs to be shootable at long range. However, my sub 6lb 308win, which has more recoil, is a great short range thumper (great for quick shots in dark timber). Very handy, and can even be shot accurately one handed because of how light it is. But I wouldn't try and shoot groups with it beyond 250 yards... whereas the other setups can easily do 600-1000 on steel.
@@ultralightoutdoors Great and thorough response. I think I would be more sacred of a close range charging brown bear than weight? But as you said if you packing all day there must be a compromise. Thanks
@@dougharlow6037 actually, in the case of the charging bear... I've found a lightweight rifle is far easier to manage and get on target effectively than a heavy one. At close range, the recoil's affect on accuracy is negligible, especially with practice. More important are features like an easily operated reliable action (pump or bolt is reliable), a good trigger, a grip style that can be manipulated one handed if necessary, and a well placed scope that allows you to shoot with both eyes open (red dot, holographic, or lvpo style all work for a multi purpose optic that gives you up close usefulness and reasonable range for hunting purposes.)
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i wonder how much tikka action weighs, something like Defiance Anti X 700SA is 22ish oz prob can save quite some too from a factory action. I noticed ur weight saving is from mostly shorter barrel which I personally would prefer not to save weight by shortening barrels.
A factory tikka action without any mods will be probably in the 30oz range. There are certainly lighter-weight action options out there. For example, I went with a MacBros Element for a recent build... around, around 23oz including a trigertech special... however, if you do some ti mods to a Tikka, and have the bolt aggressively fluted, swap the bolt handle for a ti one, etc... you can get a Tikka action into the mid 20s. If you have the cash... Defiance now has their Ti X model which would be around 20oz including a trigger... but at over $2k, it will cost you. The MacBros Element is a good budget compromise between the tikka and going full Ti, and can be had for under $900 with Mil discounts. MacBros are next door to LRI if you want them to do the barrel and chamber work for you.
As for the short vs long barrel issue. I would have agreed with you until the past couple years. With the suppressors we run to protect the hearing of the youth we hunt with, a 20 inch or longer barrel just becomes ungainly in the woods... all of my primary hunting rifles now have either a 16 or 18 inch barrel. The velocity loss has been largely overcome with finding powder/bullet combinations that get me back some of the velocity loss from the shorter barrel.
What brand are your ti action screws?
highvelocityhuntingaustralia.com.au/product/tikka-action-screw-titanium/
@@ultralightoutdoors Appreciate it!
Why would you want a lighter gun? Depending on caliber, when you're shooting a lighter gun it creates more recoil, more barrel jump, harder for a fast follow up shot (like a charging bear), so why would you want to go lighter?
@@dougharlow6037 fair question. I want the bare rifle to be as lightweight as possible so that when I add weight back in (scope, rings, suppressor, tripod, arca rail, ammo sleeve, etc) then the overall finished weight is still packable. Every ounce counts when I'm packing in 12 miles. But, you are correct, there is a point of diminished return with added recoil. It is dependent on your cartridge of choice. My lightest hunting rifle is chambered in 223rem, so recoil is negligible. My next lightest rifle is 4.25lbs bare, and about 7lbs all up. Chambered in a 6mmCM, It is very manageable recoil. My 6.5CM is about 8lbs all up, also manageable for the weight to recoil relationship. But my 6.5prc is over 10lbs to be shootable at long range. However, my sub 6lb 308win, which has more recoil, is a great short range thumper (great for quick shots in dark timber). Very handy, and can even be shot accurately one handed because of how light it is. But I wouldn't try and shoot groups with it beyond 250 yards... whereas the other setups can easily do 600-1000 on steel.
@@ultralightoutdoors Great and thorough response. I think I would be more sacred of a close range charging brown bear than weight? But as you said if you packing all day there must be a compromise. Thanks
@@dougharlow6037 actually, in the case of the charging bear... I've found a lightweight rifle is far easier to manage and get on target effectively than a heavy one. At close range, the recoil's affect on accuracy is negligible, especially with practice. More important are features like an easily operated reliable action (pump or bolt is reliable), a good trigger, a grip style that can be manipulated one handed if necessary, and a well placed scope that allows you to shoot with both eyes open (red dot, holographic, or lvpo style all work for a multi purpose optic that gives you up close usefulness and reasonable range for hunting purposes.)