That was very interesting, I am an ISFP that has experienced a great deal of interpersonal trauma. When I first learned about the MBTI I thought I was INTP. I used constantly analyzing/thinking as a defense from my feelings. Now that I’ve stopped doing that it’s become obvious I’m an ISFP. Thank you for sharing your in-depth information.
Major thanks for this. I think my response to trauma has been a major issue in trying to nail down my type. I've always wondered how far someone can actually "stray" from their default settings due to trauma, and this helped a lot.
It can often have a very strong effect upon cognition - often people underestimate the role the ego and identity has on determining cognitive preference :)
I “got lucky,” in the sense that I was only 1 letter off and it wasn’t *a super important letter,* since I am “an Irrational Type” under the OG system. I thought I was an ENFP, I am actually an ENTP, and the shift in Cognitive Focus was pretty easy, since they are what I like to call “sister types.” As they have the same Dom and oppositional functions, like “a mom and a dad,” if you will! But unfortunately, all of my cognitive Function research can only help so much, as really severe trauma, that becomes a full-blown clinical mental illness can’t really be fixed with this system. As, it’s not like I can “throw away all of my memories of accumulated trauma,” and unfortunately, I can’t be “whole” without Si. So I essentially have to fully re-educate, myself! 🙃 Ain’t it fun?!? 🙃 Good Luck finding your true type!
ENTP and my trauma was “Most like the Third Example.” (Archetype) I tried to be “the best big sister possible,” with my two younger sisters growing up, and I was over-identified and overly-involved with my dysfunctional family members, essentially trying to either assist my extended family, or essentially “be Mini-Mom” to my younger sisters. There was always a pretty strong balance between my T & F, but I did *slightly overuse* my Fe-Function. Luckily it *was not* Ti that was “completely suppressed.” It was “spared but slightly under-developed until my mid-to-late 20s,” cuz my ADHD was still undiagnosed at that time. What ended happening was Se was essentially trying to “run interference” between Ne, Fe, Te, Ni, and Ti and Fi & Si, but it was clumsy, and short-sighted b/c it wasn’t my true inferior or “oppositional function.” Luckily, I still had enough Ni to keep Ti “conscious but under-developed.” Essentially, I acted like a semi-unhealthy, semi-impulsive ENFP. Really only using my thinking functions to try to *over-control and suppress the expression of my Transient emotions,* rather than trying to “find a fixed path for myself,” because I had *virtually Zero healthy Thinking types,* that I regularly interacted with and no Guidance. To this day, most of my Dad’s side of the family *is still toxic!* I had to become the “undisputed, immutable voice of reason” in my home, b/c my Extremely unhealthy and Traumatized INFJ Father and moderately unhealthy, definitely emotionally out of control ESFP mother had *Nearly Zero Ability* to regulate *their own Emotions!* So that became “my job” if I wanted to keep my sisters and I “out of trouble,” and I wanted my parents to stay out of my business and off of my case. Good Times………. The youngest grew up to be a good girl! She’s an ISFJ and “mostly Self-Sufficient,” as we had an especially tight bond since I was an Ne-Dom, while she was an Si-Dom. Literally an ENTP + ISFJ, so we were a source of strength, for each other. *We* (as my ENFP middle little sister also tried her best to also look after the youngest,) did our best and while she has still had her struggles, she’s the most independent and stable of the 3 of us, thank Blob! I managed to keep my Trauma suppressed, until I hit about 30, and now I am “a mess,” but also relative stable, trying to re-learn how to be an adult! 😖 Unfortunately the ENFP wasn’t so Lucky. She made a lot of bad decisions in romantic relationships that took her from roughly the same level of traumatized to the youngest, and myself, just a lil less stable, to “LuLz! She’s a Narcissist Now.” Acting like the world’s *most unhealthy and unhinged INFx!*
Hmmm... pretty deep. What you said about the overly-controlling aspect made me think of some family members I have that had pretty rough childhoods. Probably most people these days have gone through some kind of trauma, and that's just sad, but true.
@@CognitivePersonality I agree, trauma is becoming synonymous with being human, but I think that's actually a promising development, because people weren't less traumatized in the past, trauma is just more prevalent nowadays since we as a society are becoming more aware of it with all its subtleties.
I think often it's very hard to realize you're unwell from trauma. You're hiding from your pain (in one of the ways you describe) so effectively it's invisible to you. When my mental health breakdown came it felt like it was out of nowhere but looking back from a healthier point of view I realized it had been building for a long time. I think your breakdown of different types behaviors may help people identify what they're doing.
Fascinating! The part about how a traumatized introvert dom shuts off all extroverted functions and dips into the same orientation as the dominant function (7:00) explains my confusion all this time about why I was relying on Fi and Si so much. Thank you!!
Thank you so much for this video, especially when you were reaching the end, at 10:00. It’s so funny to me seeing the people who claim to be a certain thing go out of their way to put up an act, while completely ignoring that they are a normal human being with a past that is or might be accompanied by pain and trauma. They refuse to act any other way, and prefer to completely give in to their dominant stack. Again, love the video, very informative.
As an entp or I don't even know if I'm just a traumatized intj, I definitely created this mask you described. And I'm so close to destroying this mask and integrating my shadow. Everyday I identify it more and more. But I this last bit is so hard to get rid of. I want it completely gone. I just want to be in touch with my feelings with no external influence. (I do think the 8 cognitive functions theory is more accurate).
There is always more than one path to a function's activation. I have a video coming up on the transcendent function Jung mentioned - it flows along the idea that there is only one function of the mind, but we enact barriers within our mind that locks cognition into a power-play between different functions and attitudes. While I use a fluid model, however, I still like to use multiple positions on a cognitive continuum (8 functions, if you will) to refer to the different styles of thought and perception.
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So true that traumatic events can alter how we present towards ourselves and others! One of the best friends I've ever had is an ESTP, but it took over a decade to figure it out for certain because of the trauma he'd been through, and was still reliving internally on a regular basis. He more resembles the combination of both ISTX's as a result.
I relate to everything that's infj in this video. Especially the objective logic part which I had discovered some time ago that's delusional, and also the fact that I can't engage anymore in Ne with my ENTP friend, because I focus too much on my Ni and that's the reason why I can't tolerate people anymore some times(especially when they employ small talk on me) and I just want to escape. Because I have found out that it doesn't help me in building my Ni framework. Also, the subtle shoving of the Ni framework on other people throats, that wants to replace the boring reality is also true. And I'm guilty of wanting to burn it all in order to make it better from it's ashes :) Thank you for making this video! It's been really helpful!
I have dealt with sexual trauma and I’m an ENFP. After the incident, I completely got a makeover, cutting my hair pretty short, getting bangs and earrings. Every time I felt like my hair was growing, I would start panicking because it reminded me of my trauma. Even certain songs I listened to reminded me of my trauma and it made me feel uneasy and nauseous. Now, I am working consistently in many classes such as EMT and Psychology to keep myself busy and occupied. Other than that, this video was very informative to watch, thank you so much!
I realized that I did what you said in the last part. I created a character for myself and imitated that character for a long time until I couldn't tell the difference between my real self and the character. That's why I thought I was INTJ. I fit into that stereotypical cold, distant mold so much that I can't explain. I had both convinced and questioned myself that I was an INTJ. When I saw information that did not fit me, I was stressed and angry, but never stopped the researching haha. Then I met your channel and realized that I am actually an INFJ. It turned out that I was uncomfortable using the Fe function because of my past experiences, and I was so sure that I was using Fi. It was really surprising to me when I first noticed it.
Thanks a lot for explaining it that way! It seemed to be very revelant to me and what I've observed in my family. I tend to fall into the infp victim of the external world and people case. I sense a clear disconnect between what I see as myself and the real tangible world where actions are taken and people work together to achieve concrete goals and change. It's something I've been pondering for a while and I want to believe that I can become a healthier, more centered being. I tend to have strong bodily reactions to everything. Especially around my parents and it's really hard to go beyond all those emotions because it feels like I'm about to explode or faint or throw up or god knows what. I can't control it and numbing the pain feels awful as well, just in more vicious and subtle ways. It's like there's a child inside of me and until it's gotten its needs met I can't truly move on. No matter how rational or composed I mean to be. I am confused. I don't know what it would mean for me to improve. Everything seems so subjective and arbitrary. I can feel the child kicking and crying and suffocating in confusion. Am I too far gone? Clearly I've been feeling depressed and suicide has become a prevalent theme in my day to day experience. I wonder though if it's somehow part of the process (I know it can be perceived as a naive and simplistic way of looking at it, like what is "the" process actually referring to?) or if it just indicates that I'm on the wrong pathway. Shit. It's also hard for me to get the distinction between guilt and responsibility even though I think I understand it on an intellectual level. I hate myself to the highest degree. While also playing the victim and hating the world for not giving me space to be my shitty self for a while and not giving me a chance to improve and find my way in a safe space without feeling like I have to prove that my existence is worth it it any way. Thank you again for the insights and explanations! :)
I believe most humans have some degree of trauma. I think most home environments and upbringings have not been conducive to good mental health. I do have hope that it will get better now that we have more information about health/nutrition, mental health, psychology, personality differences, and the impact childhood has on the rest of one's life. And thank you for adding to the shift in human consciousness and giving us new ways of understanding ourselves. I'm INFP, but I think it was very hard to figure out my type because of trauma. I related mostly to all the introverted functions + Ne and Fe. This is why I love how your cognitive personality theory explains the fluidity of functions. I just can't relate to functions being in a box. It's silly to think we just use 4 main functions that essentially make up an archetype. How limited that would make us. xD But I do understand the archetypes are good for beginners, for simplification & understanding. In college, I was typed as INFJ on MBTI. I still don't fully understand how trauma affected my cognitive functions, but I think it did make me very imbalanced toward the introverted side. Fe was drilled into me, while Fi & Ne was discouraged and maybe suppressed..which makes for an unrecognizeable INFP. Once my reality started crumbling, I was very confused about who I was because I had lived my life in obedience, to "make others happy," and avoid/fear negative consequences. I've spent the years since then trying to understand myself and why I'm here, learn to love myself, heal, and peel off the layers of beliefs that were not my own. Learning about the personality types & cognitive functions was a valuable stepping stone for me.
Honestly there is so much individual variation here that discovering the way trauma has affected cognition is much better suited to a 1-on-1 :) But as you allude it is something of a catch 22 as we often must find our trauma to find our type, lest it cause us to mistype!
I'm an infp so I run to the intraverted feeling/intraverted sensing loop. This made me extremely arrogant because I wasn't aware of the fact I blocked out reality. The Fi and Si reinforce each other if they're your only developed cognitive functions.
Very interesting! Personally I have never been drawn to the Big 5 behavioural model. But I have been drawn to Integrated Attachment Theory with its distinction between Secure Attachment (S) and the 3 insecure attachment styles: Anxious Preoccupied (AP), Fearful Avoidant/Disorganized (FA) and Dismissive Avoidant (DA). Intergrated Attachment Theory is seen more as a behavioural model. But I think there are prefernces for cognitive dips that can be ascociated with the attachment styles. It would be so fascinating to work out the connection between CPT and IAT in detail how different personality types may lean towards the different insecure attachment styles and how being insecurely attached will affect the behaviour of the cognitive personality types. My premise would be that trauma leads to cognitive imbalances that interact with the differently balanced cognitive personality tpes. The securely attached person would be close to the default personality type and have the best chance of growing into a well balanced individuated subtype while the insecure attached person would in most cases have to overcome a more unbalanced cognitive function stack with bigger blindspots to get to an individuated subtype. The Secure being most fluent with dipping into whatever the situation needs while the AP may lean more convergent and the DA more divergent and the FA more towards eratic dips and a diver/glider style. Certain kinds of trauma on top of a cognitive personality stlyes may actually lead to a sort of balancing like an ambivert subtype, too, which might make it extra difficult for those people to even understand that/what trauma they carry since the seem highly functional and flexible.
I thought I was fitting in pretty well, but I got the rug pulled out from under me after twenty-five years of work, so I retired early and retreated into my natural intp self. It has been twenty more years and maybe I'm better or maybe I'm worse off. The jury is still out. Working with people had been somewhat satisfying, but I am very relieved now that I've stopped trying so hard to mix with them. Life is so much easier now, though I do sometimes miss the benefits of exercising my other functions.
There can be certain benefits to a hyper-dominant cognitive stack and I have no doubt many of the worlds innovators have had such a cognition! I always eer on the side of a balanced cognitive stack, especially for mental wellbeing, but everyone's circumstances differ :)
Hey Harry. I'm a life coach and INFJ. I'm adopted, and everyone else in the family are extroverts. My brother was also adopted, but he got attention by being the resident badass. I dunno if infjs are born or made, but I had plenty of extroverts to model, and I ain't one. I'm still in relative lock down, in Ontario, Canada, and that's really grinding on me. But it's so lovely hearing your voice, Harry. It's weirdly comforting. ♥
Hey Tracy, I definitely ascribe to the nature>nurture model when it comes to cognitive type! I get mixed feedback on my accent so I'm very glad to hear this :)
5:25 reminds me of how I used to be regarding my view of how people 'should' behave but as I've been diving in to healing my own trauma I'm slowly letting go of that rigidity. I've often thought about how trauma affects the functions so thank you for sharing your thoughts. Obviously that's not to say I'm INFJ, but it definitely hit me XD It can be a hard road when you don't even realize you've been chasing old patterns because of the wounds.
For sure - some types dip naturally into eachother too! Absolutely, humans are pretty habitual and once we're in such a pattern it can be difficult to be aware of it :)
Interesting. I can see how lack of fe development/people skills left me completely defenceless as a ENTP enneagram 5. So instead I was broken and my ego essentially destroyed. When I escaped that hell I was remade in the presence of my shadow. So the trauma that I suffered became the grounding force to ensure I never became the monster that I know lies within us all. My ego is formed around the dualistic nature of the universe and myself, so it feels strange to live in a world filled with people who are unaware of the shadow, who can filter out half of reality and see things in black and white instead of seeing everything at once.
Me too kind of, basically isfj or somethings with strong si for 20 years, trauma or taklking this kind of things you re not social made me totally ent~F type always needed this fe validations, but now in my weakest time of study or last xm state i am somehow totally entp high detective now with many skills, cz i litterally make my own friend circle , and always knew somehow infjs 1 friend is most pure than others, and there is intp, entj,
This is quite a tall order, I say to you after you barely started talking on the subject of them retreating and not making assumptions. I mean, for you to engage in this. I have been reading the book The Body Keeps the Score and in it there are studies mentioned, brain mapping and all, that show that trauma affects people differently by the age, type and duration of the trauma and whether it was sexual or violent (or both), or a sudden event; and, also if you were forced to submit to it in a way that made you feel stuck or were actually immobilized, or if you were able to fight or flee. Kudos to you for giving it a go.
I actually communicate with my own cells, spirits and kinda play a game of uncovering hidden voids and blasting the information I find through resonance and reverberation out into the light and breaking cycles that have been repeating
Was waiting for this topic ;) one moment i was even thinking if infj are created from trauma. Now i like to think we are here to survive and become stronger
Exactly this - sure a type can be affected by trauma, but in many instances such trauma can have a hormetic role and allow the person to become a stronger version of themself :) I'm certainly grateful for the pain I have accruid during my own life.
Totally agree trauma can allow person to grow. But first You need to cope with this. For long time I thought that i am cameleon and a sponge for peoples emotions (still learning where the other persons feeling end and when my starts) due to my childhood - i was sure some parts of this i will never heal. When i found out i was an INFJ everything become clearer. Now i see that trauma of course affected my but for the most pary i am unhealthy INFJ with no self boundaries. Your work help me with this - thank you very very much.
INTP here. This is exactly what I was looking for. Thank you for sharing :) So, we turn into robots and deny emotions when we're traumatized. Explains why I felt so numb to the world after my trauma. I was having recurring vivid nightmares regarding water and flooding and drowning too. I've seen water described as a subconscious translation of water in dreams as emotions or overwhelming emotions.
This makes me want to figure out what all that convergent divergent talk, really fascinating topic. I can obviously speak only for myself and from my own experience which I don't know if I have trauma, whatever that means. It's really hard to even see it in a clear way, but I find in my depression or whatever well firstly, making decisions or committing to something pretty much goes out the window. I become really scarcity minded, as if every opportunity that comes my way may be the last, and I feel that I need to hold on to everything I have, not actually tapping into what's important to me and proactively going for that, but acting in a kind of desperation, just to "do something", never being clear that it's propelling me towards something I'd want. Also overly reading into situations in a way as to confirm something negative I already believe about myself, almost stubbornly, and being extremely sensitive and withdrawing at the smallest sign of criticism, yet not letting anyone know how I feel. Perfectionism with any "important" task to the point where it's nearly impossible to get started. Also I become incredibly self-doubting, to the point where even if I end up with a conclusion about a decision, I just end up keep flip flopping between the opposite viewpoints, always having to somehow check if the opposite decision truly is worse, and then feeling confused. INFP here.
I have a video on convergence vs divergence I recommend checking out :) Thanks for sharing. This does sound like a somewhat unhealthy relationship with the oppositional but do keep working on it, and remember to take it slow!
@@CognitivePersonality Oh yeah I was aware actually, but thanks! :) And idk why I exactly shared all that (it's probably the infj effect xD) but I'm making progress in therapy, so it's nice
I'm an infp that has always struggled with executive disfunction and dyscalcula, so whatever society had going on, I was barely making it and never accepted, the difference now with so much trauma I'm more introverted, cptsd/ autistic and completely unwilling to be criticized and told about myself as if I hadn't been hearing it and never tried before in my life. I'd rather have nothing or create whatever I need from nothing than take my eyes off my own back and stress over alarms and get on meds again to focus on like 8$ an hour. My perception has been quantified and intersecting spirals way outside human ranges. I can't even communicate with people.
I've been thinking alot about this in relation to personality disorders. Eg, if high in Fe are you less likely to be antisocial PD? Why do some people fail at narcissism and crash into borderline? Why covert vs overt narcissim? And what role does age/SOD (Stage Of Development - not how google expands it)/attitude of abuse play. And why doesn't society invest $$$ in those first few years of life? Before dysfunction is welded in? And again at puberty (esp for boys?). Great topic. Thanks Harry, thanks Sarah. Plus, serial killers. (For another day.)
All very valid questions! Employing a Big 5 derivative alongside cognitive functions can provide an insight into such things - currently something I'm working on!
Yes I was wondering about this myself, and was pondering whether a lot of the people pushing personality disorder content are leaving out the huge aspect of personality type- you never hear it mentioned in any of the PD videos. One would think there is a considerable correlation.
Well... This depends on your idea of trauma.. and what kind of trauma it is.. I'm an isfp, and ive been diagnosed with ptsd, and it seems like.. like when I paint, whoever is next to me influenced it.. like infj level inability to differentiate my emotions from others in the room.. not usual for me.. I legit have to isolate myself to get anything done in the way I want it to be.. I used to be relatively oblivious
This really helps understand a lot. So many children and humans in general grow up in or experience trauma in some way and can help explain why typing can be very difficult especially on a surface level that many do it. This helps me understand how everything I experienced growing up has come to play with how I present to the world. Thank you.
Thanks again! And thank you, Sarah! I appreciate you tackling this very serious subject. Although, and I mean no disrespect whatsoever since your videos are very classy looking, but, would you consider an even classier edit of this with new clips of you honking a bicycle horn after each heartfelt description of how trauma affects each type, and beat your chest with scream/whisper variations in various accents of "ROASTED!!!!", "YAH HEARD ME, CHUMP!!!", "THAT'S RIGHT, SUCKAH!" while shaking the camera and zooming into your face? And perhaps add in some big explosion sounds with Wilhelm screams? And a clapping monkey in a tutu with a bazooka in the background who does a nu-metal remix of "Sound of Silence? Maybe sleep on it before writing this suggestion off so quick. And might I add that the Archetypal Identity trauma thing sounded pretty badass? When I was a kid, I thought no one loved me and tried to be like Rick Astley. This was interesting and I hope you have a great night!
I have been thinking for some time my videos have been missing a vital ingredient and now you have presented it to me! Honking bicycle horns impending ;)
I'll have to think about it more, but certain aspects at least make a lot of sense. Although you didn't mention INTJ in the first section, I assume it would be Ni-Fi in the same way you described INFJ being Ni-Ti, which would make complete sense in my reactions to things; and I found the comments about modeling one's self on a culture-provided archetype extremely interesting. I think I'm fortunate that the presentation of a culture-provided archetype that I was expected to fulfill (very SFJ, for what it's worth) happened in my mid-late teens, and not sooner. Still difficult enough to disentangle 18 years later without it having been an even more foundational part of me. I've had to go back to my childhood and start over in a lot of ways. Develop Te as a teenager, take two, starting in my 30s 😂😂
I am so glad I found your channel. As an ENTP, everything inside me is lighting up with all the new knowledge and the balanced and nuanced explanations you’re giving. I have just recently realized that I have been struggling with anxiety as a result of a (mildly traumatic) rejection last year. I am responding almost exactly how you’ve predicted here - seeking external validation even harder and going into these long, frankly entitled explanations to myself then to those I love as to why they should affirm me in these super specific ways. I’ve done this with someone three times now, broke down almost immediately after by realizing this aggressive seeking of external affirmation has gotten to unhealthy levels. I have had one or two breakdowns. Before this, I have never had any real difficulties “needing” affirmation (just wanting it) and pushing people away by seeking it aggressively, and have had a rich depth of self-awareness and emotional prediction and perception. Forgive the run-on sentences. Thanks for this. Are there any concrete pointers on how to beat it? I don’t want to stay here and I don’t want to traumatize others. I want to return to my more playful, cheeky self that seeks affirmation by being excellent/competent not by explaining themselves to death demanding it. Any pointers? Anywhere you’ve discussed this? Vulnerability, maybe? I’ve been considering doing open diaries discussing my challenges and lessons.
Only responding from my experience but the theory seems sound. While working through academia, I felt I had to subdue my feeling functions, or at least appear to do so. It strengthened my secondary through oppositional functions, even though I understand I was still starting with intuition as a basis for the analysis I was doing. It was helpful to stretch and become more comfortable in multiple environments but it has left me with some work to do in understanding and employing where/how I can be of most use. Your work has been a helpful framework to allow for the incongruence I felt in relating to typology and its relation to metacognition.
I got typed as an INFP and I was typing myself as INFP because I'm an INFJ that was in an Ni-Ti loop. It was so bad for me. 😂😅 There are/were so many things about INFP that did not work for me but I thought nothing of it because I didn't know much about cognitive functions at the time.
a few years late, but, great vid! Very informative! I can see what you said in my and other peoples experience, it was fast, interesting and informative, simply bombastic=)
I've recently found your channel and have been really looking forward to your new video today. This was fantastic. Thanks for sharing! 😊 I know you've done a separate video on the childhood experiences of INFJ and INFP, but I'd love to know more about your thoughts on the identification and development of cognitive functions during formative years. Is that something you might be interested in talking more about in the future?
Thank you, I'm glad you found the channel and happy to know today's video did not dissapoint :) Cognitive function development in formative years is a subject of great interest to me so I'll definitely be exploring it further!
@@CognitivePersonality Brilliant! Really delighted to hear it, and I'm equally excited for Sunday's video. I'll admit it can take time for me to grasp new language, concepts and frameworks, but it's now all clicking into place and making sense, and I'm thoroughly absorbed. Can't wait to learn more!
I have an e-friend who says I present as ISFP online. But she says I seem like I could've been ESFP when I was younger, so maybe something I've been through made me turn inward.
So I didn't understand the video I think it was too fast for me and trying to both hear and decipher what's being said. So can anyone explain what would happen to a trauma INFP
Couldnt understand the infp category..couldn’t find enfp at all just him mentioning entp 3 times. It was annoying just to see it rushed like..why not have a time stamp or something that’s more organized with the specific information. I wanted to recommend this video to people but I was disappointed with the lack of information and how disorganized everything was.
I'd like to see a study done on cognitive functions and those with Dissociative Identity Disorder. I'm almost completely solid my Mum is ISFJ baseline, but her childhood abuse (which did involve brainwave alteration and mind control) has produced DID in large volumes of multiplicity. She has alters presenting on all levels of the cognitive function axes, utilising them in different ways and strengths. Alters can also be "placed" on different brainwaves, ergo each one will activate each cortex in different manners. It is, essentially, having multiple versions of Self existing in one person, to the point Self becomes Individual. Could DID people be an example of the complete brain hacking, where the stacking theory is thrown out the window?
@Cognitive Personality Theory I have a question. You have elaborated that often when at ease someone can "Dip" into their unconscious stack. Is there an unhealthy counterpart to this mechanism? Can someone through unreasonable social expectation or unhealthy social pressure have one function attempt to take the role of the extroverted counterpart? I'll use Convergent Fi because there was a brief point that you made in the ebook INTJ description that actually alluded to Fi trying to do the job of Fe. Convergent Fi projecting assumptions based on their values and relational empathy unto others, instead of actually "dipping" into Fe and using those sweet, sweet mirror neurons. This would definitely compromise the validity of the data, due to the conscious codec having the inverse orientation of the unconscious lens. This subject would be forcing a weak stream of unconsciously perceived(Ne or Se in this case) data into the Ni-Fi Convergent stack. The relative strength of the codec would interpret all data to fit the core belief of the Li (introverted lens)-Fi stack, which means any information that contradicts the opinion of the self will be rejected as long as the person is in this level of an unhealthy environment. (this also further proves why the popular practice of alternating i/e/i/e or e/i/e/i is just not functionally possible. If the above scenario is possible within your model, could this be what codec (introverted limbic in this case) centric complex trauma (or codec based narcissism if it has gone on for so long that reconciliation of the unconscious codec is impossible) looks like? And is this the mechanism where one can acquire the maladaptive version of the shadow con aux archetype? Sorry for the deluge of questions, there are just a lot of implications that I am dying to explore.
A complex and multi-faceted topic if there ever was one! Absolutely, the reverse orientation of any function can be used as a kind of substitute; the outer world can be recreated in the inner world and vice versa :) Such substitution can very well lead to a reliance on the process, which is inevitably going to be something of a cognitive meander. I absolutely agree - this is one of the reasons I do not believe it is so easy to measure cognitive function employment through 'behavioural' means, unless one perceived the function as more of a trait than a cognitive process. Generally in these instances there is still an active external codec to apply primary filter, however. For example, if I were to apply Fi as a substitute to Fe, the Se data would still be employed alongside an external codec. This could be a more transient Fe (which would make the Se data itself more transient), or Se-Te :) If I were to have a maladaptive shadow con-aux archetype, I would typically be bypassing via-dip Fe to perceive Se-Te information, but the Fe pressure-point would remain. My Ti could very much follow suit of Fe and be dip-bypassed to access a murkey Ni-Fi - owing to the ongoing Fe pressure-point I would still be sensitive to emotional disharmony, but would distance myself from the human aspect while refusing to internally rationalise that which does not fit my Fi agenda. Hope that helped!
Would you consider an ENTP vs ENFJ comparison video? I’m still learning and trying to assimilate all this new information and my mind keeps getting stuck at the MBTI type I’ve been given for 20+ years of an ENFJ even though I’m clearly an ENTP according to your videos.
as an infp, i was rejecting any type of Te involve thing, like i think maybe i could be able to havea healthy relatiosship with Ne-Te functiond but bc my traumas was instead of seeing Te and find a way to work out with that as my own, it was like it MUST to be on my own, peace never was an option and im going to not hear anutjing you have to say lero-lero, instead of having the capacity of say "well thats ok" when it is not that important and look for aplying Te following the Fi-Ne values it is like using Ne to feel rigth about using Fi-Si for everything and saying to Te that is just bullshit. wich is sad, i think an healthy INFP has a lot of potential and is actuañly working on what he care, but that sh.t of being dissconected from the world for ever, isnot letting you work with yourself or others, you are like "they have to understand they are wrong, iam not going to be productive anymore"
Useful information, but the audio quality in this video is really playing on my audio processing disorder for some reason. I don't know if it's because I just woke up, or if your microphone was actually worse back then.
Aha moment. I think I am entp but stuck in people pleasing... completely obsessed with making sure people around me are feeling ok. Get annoyed at myself. I see how the function stack might fit and points to entp for me. But I would see myself as not articulate or overly clever except I am those things if I have had a couple of drinks. ( I don't drink much). I just notice that when I do I am a more engaging company. Anyway I had a lot of trauma in my formative years so maybe this is why I am not a strong entp.
Socionics terminology isn't really applicable to CPT (different function definitions & function pathways) but, generally, it is indeed one of the functions that allows the person to retreat into the orientation of their dominant (i.e. all introverted functions in an INFJ).
Is the convergent shadow Auxilary archetype another form of traumatic coping. When I was reading your book I gathered the Impression that it was rare to have a shadow convergent aux archetype without it being maladaptive in some way? Also, I felt like I was being called out (that was a joke I take no offense to that statement) when you were talking about the archetypical Identity. Masks are hard to get rid of, but I realized that I was wearing a mask when my normal way of interacting with the social (or extraverted feeling) landscape is inherently painful and exhausting, which It shouldn't be if it was in my convergent stack, at least to my understanding. Thank you for putting this on the channel BTW!!!!!!
My pleasure!! I wouldn't say the shadow con-aux is maladaptive, but can in some instances ensue a paradox whereby the function's development becomes inhibited. For example, a portion of my ego inhabits this social archetype but in the past my identification with it blinded me to its underdevelopment. But, yes, the archetype is pretty unusual! ISFPs and ENTPs are the only types that can easily take the mask to an extreme, but I'd say both types would feel a level of vulnerability beneath it :)
@@CognitivePersonality Does the shadow convergent aux present extremes in INTJ's? Like an INTJ struggling with identity but still relying heavily on relational empathy? What about ENFP's with Ti shadow convergent aux? Does the presentation of one shadow Lens or codec function also result in a (relative) hyperactivation of the other unconscious function on the same continuum as opposed to the healthy activation of the functions in the conscious stack?
If somome has an archetypal identity is it possible for them to change their identity ounce they think they can act somewhat of the their former selves and still be enough for those around what would be the diffrences
That was very interesting, I am an ISFP that has experienced a great deal of interpersonal trauma. When I first learned about the MBTI I thought I was INTP.
I used constantly analyzing/thinking as a defense from my feelings. Now that I’ve stopped doing that it’s become obvious I’m an ISFP. Thank you for sharing your in-depth information.
Major thanks for this. I think my response to trauma has been a major issue in trying to nail down my type. I've always wondered how far someone can actually "stray" from their default settings due to trauma, and this helped a lot.
It can often have a very strong effect upon cognition - often people underestimate the role the ego and identity has on determining cognitive preference :)
Especially when it comes to dealing with narcissistic personality disorders in parents/guardians, or spouses.
I “got lucky,” in the sense that I was only 1 letter off and it wasn’t *a super important letter,* since I am “an Irrational Type” under the OG system. I thought I was an ENFP, I am actually an ENTP, and the shift in Cognitive Focus was pretty easy, since they are what I like to call “sister types.” As they have the same Dom and oppositional functions, like “a mom and a dad,” if you will!
But unfortunately, all of my cognitive Function research can only help so much, as really severe trauma, that becomes a full-blown clinical mental illness can’t really be fixed with this system.
As, it’s not like I can “throw away all of my memories of accumulated trauma,” and unfortunately, I can’t be “whole” without Si. So I essentially have to fully re-educate, myself! 🙃
Ain’t it fun?!? 🙃 Good Luck finding your true type!
ENTP and my trauma was “Most like the Third Example.” (Archetype) I tried to be “the best big sister possible,” with my two younger sisters growing up, and I was over-identified and overly-involved with my dysfunctional family members, essentially trying to either assist my extended family, or essentially “be Mini-Mom” to my younger sisters.
There was always a pretty strong balance between my T & F, but I did *slightly overuse* my Fe-Function. Luckily it *was not* Ti that was “completely suppressed.” It was “spared but slightly under-developed until my mid-to-late 20s,” cuz my ADHD was still undiagnosed at that time.
What ended happening was Se was essentially trying to “run interference” between Ne, Fe, Te, Ni, and Ti and Fi & Si, but it was clumsy, and short-sighted b/c it wasn’t my true inferior or “oppositional function.” Luckily, I still had enough Ni to keep Ti “conscious but under-developed.”
Essentially, I acted like a semi-unhealthy, semi-impulsive ENFP. Really only using my thinking functions to try to *over-control and suppress the expression of my Transient emotions,* rather than trying to “find a fixed path for myself,” because I had *virtually Zero healthy Thinking types,* that I regularly interacted with and no Guidance. To this day, most of my Dad’s side of the family *is still toxic!*
I had to become the “undisputed, immutable voice of reason” in my home, b/c my Extremely unhealthy and Traumatized INFJ Father and moderately unhealthy, definitely emotionally out of control ESFP mother had *Nearly Zero Ability* to regulate *their own Emotions!*
So that became “my job” if I wanted to keep my sisters and I “out of trouble,” and I wanted my parents to stay out of my business and off of my case. Good Times……….
The youngest grew up to be a good girl! She’s an ISFJ and “mostly Self-Sufficient,” as we had an especially tight bond since I was an Ne-Dom, while she was an Si-Dom. Literally an ENTP + ISFJ, so we were a source of strength, for each other.
*We* (as my ENFP middle little sister also tried her best to also look after the youngest,) did our best and while she has still had her struggles, she’s the most independent and stable of the 3 of us, thank Blob!
I managed to keep my Trauma suppressed, until I hit about 30, and now I am “a mess,” but also relative stable, trying to re-learn how to be an adult! 😖
Unfortunately the ENFP wasn’t so Lucky. She made a lot of bad decisions in romantic relationships that took her from roughly the same level of traumatized to the youngest, and myself, just a lil less stable, to “LuLz! She’s a Narcissist Now.” Acting like the world’s *most unhealthy and unhinged INFx!*
Sounds like you could use a hug❤
Hmmm... pretty deep.
What you said about the overly-controlling aspect made me think of some family members I have that had pretty rough childhoods. Probably most people these days have gone through some kind of trauma, and that's just sad, but true.
It is a sad reality that trauma is becoming synonymous with being human..
@@CognitivePersonality I agree, trauma is becoming synonymous with being human, but I think that's actually a promising development, because people weren't less traumatized in the past, trauma is just more prevalent nowadays since we as a society are becoming more aware of it with all its subtleties.
I think often it's very hard to realize you're unwell from trauma. You're hiding from your pain (in one of the ways you describe) so effectively it's invisible to you. When my mental health breakdown came it felt like it was out of nowhere but looking back from a healthier point of view I realized it had been building for a long time. I think your breakdown of different types behaviors may help people identify what they're doing.
Likewise the more negative forces in my psyche tend to go under the radar until they are close to overflowing!
Fascinating! The part about how a traumatized introvert dom shuts off all extroverted functions and dips into the same orientation as the dominant function (7:00) explains my confusion all this time about why I was relying on Fi and Si so much. Thank you!!
Thank you!
Same here, I am an ISFP. I get stuck in an fi/ni Loop a lot.
Thank you so much for this video, especially when you were reaching the end, at 10:00. It’s so funny to me seeing the people who claim to be a certain thing go out of their way to put up an act, while completely ignoring that they are a normal human being with a past that is or might be accompanied by pain and trauma. They refuse to act any other way, and prefer to completely give in to their dominant stack. Again, love the video, very informative.
My pleasure, thanks for another great comment!
As an entp or I don't even know if I'm just a traumatized intj, I definitely created this mask you described. And I'm so close to destroying this mask and integrating my shadow. Everyday I identify it more and more. But I this last bit is so hard to get rid of. I want it completely gone. I just want to be in touch with my feelings with no external influence.
(I do think the 8 cognitive functions theory is more accurate).
There is always more than one path to a function's activation. I have a video coming up on the transcendent function Jung mentioned - it flows along the idea that there is only one function of the mind, but we enact barriers within our mind that locks cognition into a power-play between different functions and attitudes.
While I use a fluid model, however, I still like to use multiple positions on a cognitive continuum (8 functions, if you will) to refer to the different styles of thought and perception.
@@CognitivePersonality transcendent function interesting. You do a really good job on these videos by the way. I'm very grateful for your insight
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So true that traumatic events can alter how we present towards ourselves and others! One of the best friends I've ever had is an ESTP, but it took over a decade to figure it out for certain because of the trauma he'd been through, and was still reliving internally on a regular basis. He more resembles the combination of both ISTX's as a result.
There can be a huge amount of variation how trauma can change type, for sure! Hope he continues to grow :)
Thank you for this comment. Pretty sure i am an ESTP but i too have been behaving like an ISTP/ISTJ my entire life due to trauma.
I relate to everything that's infj in this video. Especially the objective logic part which I had discovered some time ago that's delusional, and also the fact that I can't engage anymore in Ne with my ENTP friend, because I focus too much on my Ni and that's the reason why I can't tolerate people anymore some times(especially when they employ small talk on me) and I just want to escape. Because I have found out that it doesn't help me in building my Ni framework. Also, the subtle shoving of the Ni framework on other people throats, that wants to replace the boring reality is also true. And I'm guilty of wanting to burn it all in order to make it better from it's ashes :)
Thank you for making this video! It's been really helpful!
Thank you for sharing this!
Also, I received your email and will try to respond soon :)
I have dealt with sexual trauma and I’m an ENFP. After the incident, I completely got a makeover, cutting my hair pretty short, getting bangs and earrings. Every time I felt like my hair was growing, I would start panicking because it reminded me of my trauma. Even certain songs I listened to reminded me of my trauma and it made me feel uneasy and nauseous. Now, I am working consistently in many classes such as EMT and Psychology to keep myself busy and occupied.
Other than that, this video was very informative to watch, thank you so much!
Sweetheart, I hope you’re doing much better now. I’m so sorry. ❤️
This is something you need to do more of. I'm going to guess many who are looking into this are going to stuffer trauma.
I realized that I did what you said in the last part. I created a character for myself and imitated that character for a long time until I couldn't tell the difference between my real self and the character. That's why I thought I was INTJ. I fit into that stereotypical cold, distant mold so much that I can't explain.
I had both convinced and questioned myself that I was an INTJ. When I saw information that did not fit me, I was stressed and angry, but never stopped the researching haha. Then I met your channel and realized that I am actually an INFJ. It turned out that I was uncomfortable using the Fe function because of my past experiences, and I was so sure that I was using Fi. It was really surprising to me when I first noticed it.
Thanks a lot for explaining it that way! It seemed to be very revelant to me and what I've observed in my family. I tend to fall into the infp victim of the external world and people case. I sense a clear disconnect between what I see as myself and the real tangible world where actions are taken and people work together to achieve concrete goals and change. It's something I've been pondering for a while and I want to believe that I can become a healthier, more centered being. I tend to have strong bodily reactions to everything. Especially around my parents and it's really hard to go beyond all those emotions because it feels like I'm about to explode or faint or throw up or god knows what. I can't control it and numbing the pain feels awful as well, just in more vicious and subtle ways. It's like there's a child inside of me and until it's gotten its needs met I can't truly move on. No matter how rational or composed I mean to be. I am confused. I don't know what it would mean for me to improve. Everything seems so subjective and arbitrary. I can feel the child kicking and crying and suffocating in confusion. Am I too far gone? Clearly I've been feeling depressed and suicide has become a prevalent theme in my day to day experience. I wonder though if it's somehow part of the process (I know it can be perceived as a naive and simplistic way of looking at it, like what is "the" process actually referring to?) or if it just indicates that I'm on the wrong pathway. Shit. It's also hard for me to get the distinction between guilt and responsibility even though I think I understand it on an intellectual level. I hate myself to the highest degree. While also playing the victim and hating the world for not giving me space to be my shitty self for a while and not giving me a chance to improve and find my way in a safe space without feeling like I have to prove that my existence is worth it it any way.
Thank you again for the insights and explanations! :)
I believe most humans have some degree of trauma. I think most home environments and upbringings have not been conducive to good mental health. I do have hope that it will get better now that we have more information about health/nutrition, mental health, psychology, personality differences, and the impact childhood has on the rest of one's life. And thank you for adding to the shift in human consciousness and giving us new ways of understanding ourselves.
I'm INFP, but I think it was very hard to figure out my type because of trauma. I related mostly to all the introverted functions + Ne and Fe. This is why I love how your cognitive personality theory explains the fluidity of functions. I just can't relate to functions being in a box. It's silly to think we just use 4 main functions that essentially make up an archetype. How limited that would make us. xD But I do understand the archetypes are good for beginners, for simplification & understanding. In college, I was typed as INFJ on MBTI.
I still don't fully understand how trauma affected my cognitive functions, but I think it did make me very imbalanced toward the introverted side. Fe was drilled into me, while Fi & Ne was discouraged and maybe suppressed..which makes for an unrecognizeable INFP. Once my reality started crumbling, I was very confused about who I was because I had lived my life in obedience, to "make others happy," and avoid/fear negative consequences. I've spent the years since then trying to understand myself and why I'm here, learn to love myself, heal, and peel off the layers of beliefs that were not my own. Learning about the personality types & cognitive functions was a valuable stepping stone for me.
Honestly there is so much individual variation here that discovering the way trauma has affected cognition is much better suited to a 1-on-1 :)
But as you allude it is something of a catch 22 as we often must find our trauma to find our type, lest it cause us to mistype!
I'm an infp so I run to the intraverted feeling/intraverted sensing loop. This made me extremely arrogant because I wasn't aware of the fact I blocked out reality. The Fi and Si reinforce each other if they're your only developed cognitive functions.
Very interesting! Personally I have never been drawn to the Big 5 behavioural model. But I have been drawn to Integrated Attachment Theory with its distinction between Secure Attachment (S) and the 3 insecure attachment styles: Anxious Preoccupied (AP), Fearful Avoidant/Disorganized (FA) and Dismissive Avoidant (DA). Intergrated Attachment Theory is seen more as a behavioural model. But I think there are prefernces for cognitive dips that can be ascociated with the attachment styles.
It would be so fascinating to work out the connection between CPT and IAT in detail how different personality types may lean towards the different insecure attachment styles and how being insecurely attached will affect the behaviour of the cognitive personality types. My premise would be that trauma leads to cognitive imbalances that interact with the differently balanced cognitive personality tpes. The securely attached person would be close to the default personality type and have the best chance of growing into a well balanced individuated subtype while the insecure attached person would in most cases have to overcome a more unbalanced cognitive function stack with bigger blindspots to get to an individuated subtype. The Secure being most fluent with dipping into whatever the situation needs while the AP may lean more convergent and the DA more divergent and the FA more towards eratic dips and a diver/glider style. Certain kinds of trauma on top of a cognitive personality stlyes may actually lead to a sort of balancing like an ambivert subtype, too, which might make it extra difficult for those people to even understand that/what trauma they carry since the seem highly functional and flexible.
I thought I was fitting in pretty well, but I got the rug pulled out from under me after twenty-five years of work, so I retired early and retreated into my natural intp self. It has been twenty more years and maybe I'm better or maybe I'm worse off. The jury is still out. Working with people had been somewhat satisfying, but I am very relieved now that I've stopped trying so hard to mix with them. Life is so much easier now, though I do sometimes miss the benefits of exercising my other functions.
There can be certain benefits to a hyper-dominant cognitive stack and I have no doubt many of the worlds innovators have had such a cognition! I always eer on the side of a balanced cognitive stack, especially for mental wellbeing, but everyone's circumstances differ :)
Hey Harry. I'm a life coach and INFJ. I'm adopted, and everyone else in the family are extroverts. My brother was also adopted, but he got attention by being the resident badass. I dunno if infjs are born or made, but I had plenty of extroverts to model, and I ain't one. I'm still in relative lock down, in Ontario, Canada, and that's really grinding on me. But it's so lovely hearing your voice, Harry. It's weirdly comforting. ♥
Hey Tracy, I definitely ascribe to the nature>nurture model when it comes to cognitive type! I get mixed feedback on my accent so I'm very glad to hear this :)
This is the first time I've heard of it :D
5:25 reminds me of how I used to be regarding my view of how people 'should' behave but as I've been diving in to healing my own trauma I'm slowly letting go of that rigidity. I've often thought about how trauma affects the functions so thank you for sharing your thoughts. Obviously that's not to say I'm INFJ, but it definitely hit me XD
It can be a hard road when you don't even realize you've been chasing old patterns because of the wounds.
For sure - some types dip naturally into eachother too!
Absolutely, humans are pretty habitual and once we're in such a pattern it can be difficult to be aware of it :)
Interesting. I can see how lack of fe development/people skills left me completely defenceless as a ENTP enneagram 5. So instead I was broken and my ego essentially destroyed. When I escaped that hell I was remade in the presence of my shadow. So the trauma that I suffered became the grounding force to ensure I never became the monster that I know lies within us all. My ego is formed around the dualistic nature of the universe and myself, so it feels strange to live in a world filled with people who are unaware of the shadow, who can filter out half of reality and see things in black and white instead of seeing everything at once.
Fascinating! Thank you for sharing this :)
Me too kind of, basically isfj or somethings with strong si for 20 years, trauma or taklking this kind of things you re not social made me totally ent~F type always needed this fe validations, but now in my weakest time of study or last xm state i am somehow totally entp high detective now with many skills, cz i litterally make my own friend circle , and always knew somehow infjs 1 friend is most pure than others, and there is intp, entj,
This video is amazing and something no other member of the community has ever done. You have a subscriber, wonderful work!!
This is quite a tall order, I say to you after you barely started talking on the subject of them retreating and not making assumptions. I mean, for you to engage in this. I have been reading the book The Body Keeps the Score and in it there are studies mentioned, brain mapping and all, that show that trauma affects people differently by the age, type and duration of the trauma and whether it was sexual or violent (or both), or a sudden event; and, also if you were forced to submit to it in a way that made you feel stuck or were actually immobilized, or if you were able to fight or flee. Kudos to you for giving it a go.
I did not expect this video to be actually informative and interesting.
You surprised me there. Thank you
I actually communicate with my own cells, spirits and kinda play a game of uncovering hidden voids and blasting the information I find through resonance and reverberation out into the light and breaking cycles that have been repeating
Was waiting for this topic ;) one moment i was even thinking if infj are created from trauma. Now i like to think we are here to survive and become stronger
Exactly this - sure a type can be affected by trauma, but in many instances such trauma can have a hormetic role and allow the person to become a stronger version of themself :)
I'm certainly grateful for the pain I have accruid during my own life.
Totally agree trauma can allow person to grow. But first You need to cope with this. For long time I thought that i am cameleon and a sponge for peoples emotions (still learning where the other persons feeling end and when my starts) due to my childhood - i was sure some parts of this i will never heal. When i found out i was an INFJ everything become clearer. Now i see that trauma of course affected my but for the most pary i am unhealthy INFJ with no self boundaries. Your work help me with this - thank you very very much.
INTP here. This is exactly what I was looking for. Thank you for sharing :) So, we turn into robots and deny emotions when we're traumatized. Explains why I felt so numb to the world after my trauma. I was having recurring vivid nightmares regarding water and flooding and drowning too. I've seen water described as a subconscious translation of water in dreams as emotions or overwhelming emotions.
This makes me want to figure out what all that convergent divergent talk, really fascinating topic.
I can obviously speak only for myself and from my own experience which I don't know if I have trauma, whatever that means. It's really hard to even see it in a clear way, but I find in my depression or whatever well firstly, making decisions or committing to something pretty much goes out the window. I become really scarcity minded, as if every opportunity that comes my way may be the last, and I feel that I need to hold on to everything I have, not actually tapping into what's important to me and proactively going for that, but acting in a kind of desperation, just to "do something", never being clear that it's propelling me towards something I'd want. Also overly reading into situations in a way as to confirm something negative I already believe about myself, almost stubbornly, and being extremely sensitive and withdrawing at the smallest sign of criticism, yet not letting anyone know how I feel. Perfectionism with any "important" task to the point where it's nearly impossible to get started. Also I become incredibly self-doubting, to the point where even if I end up with a conclusion about a decision, I just end up keep flip flopping between the opposite viewpoints, always having to somehow check if the opposite decision truly is worse, and then feeling confused. INFP here.
I have a video on convergence vs divergence I recommend checking out :)
Thanks for sharing. This does sound like a somewhat unhealthy relationship with the oppositional but do keep working on it, and remember to take it slow!
@@CognitivePersonality Oh yeah I was aware actually, but thanks! :) And idk why I exactly shared all that (it's probably the infj effect xD) but I'm making progress in therapy, so it's nice
I'm an infp that has always struggled with executive disfunction and dyscalcula, so whatever society had going on, I was barely making it and never accepted, the difference now with so much trauma I'm more introverted, cptsd/ autistic and completely unwilling to be criticized and told about myself as if I hadn't been hearing it and never tried before in my life. I'd rather have nothing or create whatever I need from nothing than take my eyes off my own back and stress over alarms and get on meds again to focus on like 8$ an hour. My perception has been quantified and intersecting spirals way outside human ranges. I can't even communicate with people.
I've been thinking alot about this in relation to personality disorders. Eg, if high in Fe are you less likely to be antisocial PD? Why do some people fail at narcissism and crash into borderline? Why covert vs overt narcissim? And what role does age/SOD (Stage Of Development - not how google expands it)/attitude of abuse play. And why doesn't society invest $$$ in those first few years of life? Before dysfunction is welded in? And again at puberty (esp for boys?).
Great topic. Thanks Harry, thanks Sarah.
Plus, serial killers. (For another day.)
All very valid questions! Employing a Big 5 derivative alongside cognitive functions can provide an insight into such things - currently something I'm working on!
@@CognitivePersonality Great! Can't wait...
Yes I was wondering about this myself, and was pondering whether a lot of the people pushing personality disorder content are leaving out the huge aspect of personality type- you never hear it mentioned in any of the PD videos.
One would think there is a considerable correlation.
Well... This depends on your idea of trauma.. and what kind of trauma it is.. I'm an isfp, and ive been diagnosed with ptsd, and it seems like.. like when I paint, whoever is next to me influenced it.. like infj level inability to differentiate my emotions from others in the room.. not usual for me.. I legit have to isolate myself to get anything done in the way I want it to be.. I used to be relatively oblivious
This really helps understand a lot. So many children and humans in general grow up in or experience trauma in some way and can help explain why typing can be very difficult especially on a surface level that many do it. This helps me understand how everything I experienced growing up has come to play with how I present to the world. Thank you.
My pleasure :)
Thanks again! And thank you, Sarah! I appreciate you tackling this very serious subject. Although, and I mean no disrespect whatsoever since your videos are very classy looking, but, would you consider an even classier edit of this with new clips of you honking a bicycle horn after each heartfelt description of how trauma affects each type, and beat your chest with scream/whisper variations in various accents of "ROASTED!!!!", "YAH HEARD ME, CHUMP!!!", "THAT'S RIGHT, SUCKAH!" while shaking the camera and zooming into your face? And perhaps add in some big explosion sounds with Wilhelm screams? And a clapping monkey in a tutu with a bazooka in the background who does a nu-metal remix of "Sound of Silence?
Maybe sleep on it before writing this suggestion off so quick.
And might I add that the Archetypal Identity trauma thing sounded pretty badass? When I was a kid, I thought no one loved me and tried to be like Rick Astley.
This was interesting and I hope you have a great night!
I have been thinking for some time my videos have been missing a vital ingredient and now you have presented it to me! Honking bicycle horns impending ;)
I'll have to think about it more, but certain aspects at least make a lot of sense. Although you didn't mention INTJ in the first section, I assume it would be Ni-Fi in the same way you described INFJ being Ni-Ti, which would make complete sense in my reactions to things; and I found the comments about modeling one's self on a culture-provided archetype extremely interesting. I think I'm fortunate that the presentation of a culture-provided archetype that I was expected to fulfill (very SFJ, for what it's worth) happened in my mid-late teens, and not sooner. Still difficult enough to disentangle 18 years later without it having been an even more foundational part of me. I've had to go back to my childhood and start over in a lot of ways. Develop Te as a teenager, take two, starting in my 30s 😂😂
Ah, yes, indeed it would :) Glad you managed to disentangle yourself in that matter :)
@@CognitivePersonality thanks!
I am so glad I found your channel. As an ENTP, everything inside me is lighting up with all the new knowledge and the balanced and nuanced explanations you’re giving.
I have just recently realized that I have been struggling with anxiety as a result of a (mildly traumatic) rejection last year. I am responding almost exactly how you’ve predicted here - seeking external validation even harder and going into these long, frankly entitled explanations to myself then to those I love as to why they should affirm me in these super specific ways. I’ve done this with someone three times now, broke down almost immediately after by realizing this aggressive seeking of external affirmation has gotten to unhealthy levels. I have had one or two breakdowns. Before this, I have never had any real difficulties “needing” affirmation (just wanting it) and pushing people away by seeking it aggressively, and have had a rich depth of self-awareness and emotional prediction and perception.
Forgive the run-on sentences. Thanks for this.
Are there any concrete pointers on how to beat it? I don’t want to stay here and I don’t want to traumatize others. I want to return to my more playful, cheeky self that seeks affirmation by being excellent/competent not by explaining themselves to death demanding it. Any pointers? Anywhere you’ve discussed this?
Vulnerability, maybe? I’ve been considering doing open diaries discussing my challenges and lessons.
Only responding from my experience but the theory seems sound. While working through academia, I felt I had to subdue my feeling functions, or at least appear to do so. It strengthened my secondary through oppositional functions, even though I understand I was still starting with intuition as a basis for the analysis I was doing. It was helpful to stretch and become more comfortable in multiple environments but it has left me with some work to do in understanding and employing where/how I can be of most use.
Your work has been a helpful framework to allow for the incongruence I felt in relating to typology and its relation to metacognition.
Thank you for sharing this!
I'm very glad to hear this - this has been very much the intention :)
I got typed as an INFP and I was typing myself as INFP because I'm an INFJ that was in an Ni-Ti loop. It was so bad for me. 😂😅
There are/were so many things about INFP that did not work for me but I thought nothing of it because I didn't know much about cognitive functions at the time.
a few years late, but, great vid! Very informative! I can see what you said in my and other peoples experience, it was fast, interesting and informative, simply bombastic=)
Well, this was unexpectedly triggering! i loved it
I've recently found your channel and have been really looking forward to your new video today. This was fantastic. Thanks for sharing! 😊 I know you've done a separate video on the childhood experiences of INFJ and INFP, but I'd love to know more about your thoughts on the identification and development of cognitive functions during formative years. Is that something you might be interested in talking more about in the future?
Thank you, I'm glad you found the channel and happy to know today's video did not dissapoint :)
Cognitive function development in formative years is a subject of great interest to me so I'll definitely be exploring it further!
@@CognitivePersonality Brilliant! Really delighted to hear it, and I'm equally excited for Sunday's video. I'll admit it can take time for me to grasp new language, concepts and frameworks, but it's now all clicking into place and making sense, and I'm thoroughly absorbed. Can't wait to learn more!
I have an e-friend who says I present as ISFP online. But she says I seem like I could've been ESFP when I was younger, so maybe something I've been through made me turn inward.
So I didn't understand the video I think it was too fast for me and trying to both hear and decipher what's being said. So can anyone explain what would happen to a trauma INFP
I have to slow it down in order to follow him.
Couldnt understand the infp category..couldn’t find enfp at all just him mentioning entp 3 times. It was annoying just to see it rushed like..why not have a time stamp or something that’s more organized with the specific information. I wanted to recommend this video to people but I was disappointed with the lack of information and how disorganized everything was.
I'd like to see a study done on cognitive functions and those with Dissociative Identity Disorder. I'm almost completely solid my Mum is ISFJ baseline, but her childhood abuse (which did involve brainwave alteration and mind control) has produced DID in large volumes of multiplicity. She has alters presenting on all levels of the cognitive function axes, utilising them in different ways and strengths. Alters can also be "placed" on different brainwaves, ergo each one will activate each cortex in different manners. It is, essentially, having multiple versions of Self existing in one person, to the point Self becomes Individual.
Could DID people be an example of the complete brain hacking, where the stacking theory is thrown out the window?
hello where;s the INFP!
Great episode. Thank you.
Cheers :)
i learned so much!! thank you
Harry if you ever go missing, The police are gonna have to look in my basement first.
Haha!
@Cognitive Personality Theory I have a question. You have elaborated that often when at ease someone can "Dip" into their unconscious stack. Is there an unhealthy counterpart to this mechanism? Can someone through unreasonable social expectation or unhealthy social pressure have one function attempt to take the role of the extroverted counterpart? I'll use Convergent Fi because there was a brief point that you made in the ebook INTJ description that actually alluded to Fi trying to do the job of Fe. Convergent Fi projecting assumptions based on their values and relational empathy unto others, instead of actually "dipping" into Fe and using those sweet, sweet mirror neurons.
This would definitely compromise the validity of the data, due to the conscious codec having the inverse orientation of the unconscious lens. This subject would be forcing a weak stream of unconsciously perceived(Ne or Se in this case) data into the Ni-Fi Convergent stack. The relative strength of the codec would interpret all data to fit the core belief of the Li (introverted lens)-Fi stack, which means any information that contradicts the opinion of the self will be rejected as long as the person is in this level of an unhealthy environment. (this also further proves why the popular practice of alternating i/e/i/e or e/i/e/i is just not functionally possible.
If the above scenario is possible within your model, could this be what codec (introverted limbic in this case) centric complex trauma (or codec based narcissism if it has gone on for so long that reconciliation of the unconscious codec is impossible) looks like? And is this the mechanism where one can acquire the maladaptive version of the shadow con aux archetype?
Sorry for the deluge of questions, there are just a lot of implications that I am dying to explore.
A complex and multi-faceted topic if there ever was one! Absolutely, the reverse orientation of any function can be used as a kind of substitute; the outer world can be recreated in the inner world and vice versa :)
Such substitution can very well lead to a reliance on the process, which is inevitably going to be something of a cognitive meander.
I absolutely agree - this is one of the reasons I do not believe it is so easy to measure cognitive function employment through 'behavioural' means, unless one perceived the function as more of a trait than a cognitive process.
Generally in these instances there is still an active external codec to apply primary filter, however. For example, if I were to apply Fi as a substitute to Fe, the Se data would still be employed alongside an external codec. This could be a more transient Fe (which would make the Se data itself more transient), or Se-Te :)
If I were to have a maladaptive shadow con-aux archetype, I would typically be bypassing via-dip Fe to perceive Se-Te information, but the Fe pressure-point would remain. My Ti could very much follow suit of Fe and be dip-bypassed to access a murkey Ni-Fi - owing to the ongoing Fe pressure-point I would still be sensitive to emotional disharmony, but would distance myself from the human aspect while refusing to internally rationalise that which does not fit my Fi agenda. Hope that helped!
Cognitive Personality Theory It helped a lot actually!!!
@@CognitivePersonality Indeed it did!!!! Thank you!
So basically, I really AM Chandler Bing😎
-a traumatized ENTP who related way too much to this
Awesome stuff, man! ^_^
Cheers! :)
At 9:11 what kind of functions would likely be found in the dominant stack with this kind of personality/mindset?
How would other Jungian ideas fit into CPT? I'm thinking of the Shadow. Would it take the form a specific type depending on ones actual type?
Would you consider an ENTP vs ENFJ comparison video?
I’m still learning and trying to assimilate all this new information and my mind keeps getting stuck at the MBTI type I’ve been given for 20+ years of an ENFJ even though I’m clearly an ENTP according to your videos.
as an infp, i was rejecting any type of Te involve thing, like i think maybe i could be able to havea healthy relatiosship with Ne-Te functiond but bc my traumas was instead of seeing Te and find a way to work out with that as my own, it was like it MUST to be on my own, peace never was an option and im going to not hear anutjing you have to say lero-lero, instead of having the capacity of say "well thats ok" when it is not that important and look for aplying Te following the Fi-Ne values it is like using Ne to feel rigth about using Fi-Si for everything and saying to Te that is just bullshit. wich is sad, i think an healthy INFP has a lot of potential and is actuañly working on what he care, but that sh.t of being dissconected from the world for ever, isnot letting you work with yourself or others, you are like "they have to understand they are wrong, iam not going to be productive anymore"
Useful information, but the audio quality in this video is really playing on my audio processing disorder for some reason. I don't know if it's because I just woke up, or if your microphone was actually worse back then.
No that's fair, this used the audio from a camera!!
What would happen if we heal ?
Aha moment. I think I am entp but stuck in people pleasing... completely obsessed with making sure people around me are feeling ok. Get annoyed at myself. I see how the function stack might fit and points to entp for me. But I would see myself as not articulate or overly clever except I am those things if I have had a couple of drinks. ( I don't drink much). I just notice that when I do I am a more engaging company. Anyway I had a lot of trauma in my formative years so maybe this is why I am not a strong entp.
Very interesting, thank you for sharing!
So is there a pattern with the traumatized types looking to there demonstrative functions for comfort (re what you at around 6 minutes)
Socionics terminology isn't really applicable to CPT (different function definitions & function pathways) but, generally, it is indeed one of the functions that allows the person to retreat into the orientation of their dominant (i.e. all introverted functions in an INFJ).
Yeahhhh! Spot on!
Is the convergent shadow Auxilary archetype another form of traumatic coping. When I was reading your book I gathered the Impression that it was rare to have a shadow convergent aux archetype without it being maladaptive in some way?
Also, I felt like I was being called out (that was a joke I take no offense to that statement) when you were talking about the archetypical Identity. Masks are hard to get rid of, but I realized that I was wearing a mask when my normal way of interacting with the social (or extraverted feeling) landscape is inherently painful and exhausting, which It shouldn't be if it was in my convergent stack, at least to my understanding. Thank you for putting this on the channel BTW!!!!!!
My pleasure!! I wouldn't say the shadow con-aux is maladaptive, but can in some instances ensue a paradox whereby the function's development becomes inhibited. For example, a portion of my ego inhabits this social archetype but in the past my identification with it blinded me to its underdevelopment.
But, yes, the archetype is pretty unusual!
ISFPs and ENTPs are the only types that can easily take the mask to an extreme, but I'd say both types would feel a level of vulnerability beneath it :)
@@CognitivePersonality Does the shadow convergent aux present extremes in INTJ's? Like an INTJ struggling with identity but still relying heavily on relational empathy? What about ENFP's with Ti shadow convergent aux? Does the presentation of one shadow Lens or codec function also result in a (relative) hyperactivation of the other unconscious function on the same continuum as opposed to the healthy activation of the functions in the conscious stack?
If somome has an archetypal identity is it possible for them to change their identity ounce they think they can act somewhat of the their former selves and still be enough for those around what would be the diffrences
How interesting..
When empiezas siendo ISTP y terminas siendo INFJ 🙋♀️
I got some reverse engineering to do. 😂
Awesome level of insight and precision.