I just came through the Johnny Harris video and, while I did enjoy that one a lot. This and the NW passage video are definitely some great Historical Videos and I'm very much hoping you get some more traction in the community from not only the Johnny Video but from these other ones as well. Thanks for the content and can't wait for more!
Florence Nightingale is also of particular interested because she pioneered the usage of statistics in organizational efforts. She managed hospitals and plotting causes of death helped analyse what to do to combat them. You could say she was a creator of modern medicine (trials) and the scientific process.
I have read a book on I.F.Semmelweis back in college...I think he was a man of conscience who made absolutely horrifying realisation, that doctors were killing young women by hundreds. He tried hard to convey this message and got rejected. You say he was a dick about it, but I would argue his contemporaries were too proud and self-assured to acknowledge their mistakes. It is painfull to think, that none of those professors would be willing to give him benefit of doubt, maybe buy few bars of fucking soap and run a simple experiment. I just have to stand up and say this has much less to do with character of one loud weirdo, then that of the silent majority.
regardless of whom is to blame, the result stands that it is almost impossible to get a view accepted without moving diplomatically. His story might not be the one of a "dick", but still he seems to emotionally invested, to move smart, slow, and friendly into the changing of opinions.
HI JOCHEM!!! IM SO GLAD I'VE STUMBLED UPON YOUR VIDEO!!! I'm based in NZ and have an up and coming medical laboratory conference where my presentation will be on Hand Washing Hygiene and so good to see this!!!! After reading about semmelweis in many scientific journals and articles, good to know that I've cross references to be able to compare and add to my list of citations. Thank you for this video!!!! I'll add this to my presentation for the NZ medlab folks. 😊🤗😊💪🏽👏🏼💪🏽👏🏼👨🏻🔬👩🏻🔬👩🏻🔬🧑🏻🔬
Semmelweis Ignác is remembered in Hungary and has the medical university and children hospital named after where I was born in Budapest. He’s called the “Saviour of Mothers” in Hungary.
Dude, nice! I like how you bring out another perspective too: at school I was taught that Semmelweis was the ‘unheard genius’ that was right about germs etc. But not that he wasn’t d*ck and why his theory didn’t stick. Thanks.
Thanks for the video! I hadnt heard the psychological reasons why his theory wasnt heard until I read a passage on him in Robert Greene’s book Mastery - great you presented all sides of science, the discovery and psychological
There's something too often missed to get a full understanding of what Maternal Hospital Death rates implied. Firstly, the Aristocratic and very wealthy gave birth at home, surrounded by medical professionals and nurses. Meanwhile, the poor and Working Class also gave birth at home, sometimes with the assistance of "Amateur" midwives (only rarely would they have access to "Professional" midwives. So, the Mothers dying in the Maternity Hospitals were Middle Class women, because Hospitals were NOT Free and the Poorer Classes could not afford them. Interestingly, because of the "personalized" care Home Birthers received, far fewer Home Birther Mothers died than those who paid...
The part that always gets me in the middle ages washing your hands was normal! but then miasma theory was discovered and it was banned because hot water=steam=spreads miasma! and by the time that theory was gone water standards had declined in large cities and black death and killed all the doctors and scholars so it was forgotten and not rediscovered in europe! (other cultures maintained it because washing hands before eating was pretty much universal before colonisation brought europes (then recent) rule of no washing)
I just found your channel & became an instant new sub based off your Johnny Harris very well & respected critique on his history video. I'm looking forward to watching both your past & new upcoming content. This channel will become very big soon!
Florence Nightingale spent her entire career propagating hygiene and made some major headways in improving hygiene standards in British army hospitals ( A Brief History of Florence Nightingale by Hugh Small). However you only mention her in passing. Was just wondering why did you decide to focus on Ignaz Semmelweis , rather than other people working in similar direction? Was just curious about why Ignaz Semmelweis was the focus of this story, when there were other journeys that were more successful in their campaign ?
Muslims in Spain and elsewhere did it much earlier that where European benefited most from but Europeans trying to hide that somehow .you should make video about that you seem like a unbiased guy was
Really enjoy your videos, which I usually watch on Nebula, but figured I’d pop over here to this one since you mention handwashing in the context of Covid. It should be noted that Covid is an airborne vascular disease and that handwashing, while a great thing to do in general, doesn’t stop the spread; properly, masking, using eye protection, upgrading ventilation, and social distancing help reduce transmission. The pandemic is only getting worse the longer it goes on, so hopefully you or your viewers will see this and save some lives as a result. Also a blanket apology for all the awful things Americans do to make the world more difficult for everybody, especially these days 😀
You can only imagine how it feels to be as a person who suffers from mysophobia, and other family members rarely was their hands after visiting toilet.
Literally. I have contamination ocd and hand washing is one of my compulsions. In the winter my hands bleed and crack but I see other people with normal hands and yeah, obviously they don’t wash their hands as much as me, but my ocd makes me worry about how little they do. It’s like I don’t trust people without mysophobia 😂
It is like "act like everyone else is possibly contaminated, be precausious and prepare for every surprise moment when contacting other people". Cursed science! Why did you revealed us germs and bacteria!? Or, why people have to pick their noses or act so unhygienic? Simple hand washing helps.
Exactly. When Covid started everyone was like “ahhhhhhh wash your hands!!” And I was like okay this shouldn’t be a huge realization. Kinda sad how it had to take a global pandemic to make people realize how disgusting their hygiene was lmao
And a bit ironic, that in some cases it feels better that that virus came. Everything is (or at least it was) hygienic, no need to shake hands without being weirdo or to make a ritual some time after that, etc. "Finally you can see a glimpse about what kind of world l live in, every day, every moment." Even if overall this global mess is stressing. But now my surrounding people act pretty much as if nothing has happened, there is no virus around, etc. Meanwhile...
So you’re a doctor? Or moreover a philosopher. Grappling with my European-American identity. So hard because with globalization the European schools (many educated) in the US from a philosophical standpoint Europe is so much better. Intellectual population peaks and valleys are so grave and stark on both ends of the pond. Alas, your cultivation is so DUTCH. Understanding Anglicanism and accepting we were apart of the founding of the Dutch colon - Manhattan NY. There’s so much research and so little time. The unfortunate politics of passports. Technically Anglo-Schweitzer-Dutch. Engels. Really looking forward to this channel.
A lot of "well respected" people would rather let babies die instead of even entertaining the idea that they are doing something wrong. When things are going this disastrously bad you listen for ideas from anyone... infuriating honestly
That stuff about hand washing and sermon about irrational denial has never sat right with me. Isn't soap was known (and used) for a very long time (Ignaz Semmelweis suggested to use something like chlorinated lime instead of soap)? I couldn't find medical books from that time that specifically prescribe doctors to wash their hands, but there's some sporadic evidence that they did. I suspect that other doctors heard dude saying that smelly water reduces mortality by order of magnitude because of weird theory and were, like, "Suuuure. Have you considered publishing it at least? Or maybe it's a statistical fluke? Or did you consider A, B and C?". Of which Semmelweis did nothing and proceeded to insult all influential people around (thus effectively cutting off possibility of someone else replicating his results without risk for their career). He eventually published a book decade later, which had no new experimental data and, when for some reason it strangely didn't cause everyone around to repent, completely lost his marbles (if I remember correctly, source for that is "Five Documents Relating to the Final Illness and Death of Ignaz Semmelweis"). On a related theme, Pasteur's work wasn't just "theoretical", he conducted bunch of ingenious experiments, many of them specifically to address criticisms his earlier work attained. That's probably what explains difference of outcomes.
Ugh, but my peers are practicing slavery. Real life slavery. I can't take this system down without pointing out how it is full of slaves for doing things that we all do and just don't get caught for. I hear ya though.
3:00 Semmelweis Ignác was totally Hungarian, and not "Hungarian-born". Austrians again cherry picking on nationalities, like with they done with Hitler...
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I just came through the Johnny Harris video and, while I did enjoy that one a lot. This and the NW passage video are definitely some great Historical Videos and I'm very much hoping you get some more traction in the community from not only the Johnny Video but from these other ones as well. Thanks for the content and can't wait for more!
Agree! been watching every video
Johnny Harris is a douchebag. He never provides sources and dramatizes everything.
I'm here from the Johnny Harris video too.
Agreed! I definitely think this man has potential to be a great RUclips historian!
Same
Florence Nightingale is also of particular interested because she pioneered the usage of statistics in organizational efforts. She managed hospitals and plotting causes of death helped analyse what to do to combat them.
You could say she was a creator of modern medicine (trials) and the scientific process.
I have read a book on I.F.Semmelweis back in college...I think he was a man of conscience who made absolutely horrifying realisation, that doctors were killing young women by hundreds. He tried hard to convey this message and got rejected. You say he was a dick about it, but I would argue his contemporaries were too proud and self-assured to acknowledge their mistakes. It is painfull to think, that none of those professors would be willing to give him benefit of doubt, maybe buy few bars of fucking soap and run a simple experiment. I just have to stand up and say this has much less to do with character of one loud weirdo, then that of the silent majority.
Well said, sorry I said much the same in my post before I read yours.I agree with you 💯
regardless of whom is to blame, the result stands that it is almost impossible to get a view accepted without moving diplomatically. His story might not be the one of a "dick", but still he seems to emotionally invested, to move smart, slow, and friendly into the changing of opinions.
Although his communication was bad, but he still holds the title of
"THE SAVIOUR OF MOTHERS"!
HI JOCHEM!!! IM SO GLAD I'VE STUMBLED UPON YOUR VIDEO!!!
I'm based in NZ and have an up and coming medical laboratory conference where my presentation will be on Hand Washing Hygiene and so good to see this!!!! After reading about semmelweis in many scientific journals and articles, good to know that I've cross references to be able to compare and add to my list of citations. Thank you for this video!!!! I'll add this to my presentation for the NZ medlab folks. 😊🤗😊💪🏽👏🏼💪🏽👏🏼👨🏻🔬👩🏻🔬👩🏻🔬🧑🏻🔬
Semmelweis Ignác is remembered in Hungary and has the medical university and children hospital named after where I was born in Budapest. He’s called the “Saviour of Mothers” in Hungary.
Dude, nice! I like how you bring out another perspective too: at school I was taught that Semmelweis was the ‘unheard genius’ that was right about germs etc. But not that he wasn’t d*ck and why his theory didn’t stick. Thanks.
Semmelweis knowledge in this house!
@@ThePresentPast_ Samwise the great?
Thanks for the video! I hadnt heard the psychological reasons why his theory wasnt heard until I read a passage on him in Robert Greene’s book Mastery - great you presented all sides of science, the discovery and psychological
@@droprelease4820 I think that youre thinking social and not psychological
There's something too often missed to get a full understanding of what Maternal Hospital Death rates implied.
Firstly, the Aristocratic and very wealthy gave birth at home, surrounded by medical professionals and nurses. Meanwhile, the poor and Working Class also gave birth at home, sometimes with the assistance of "Amateur" midwives (only rarely would they have access to "Professional" midwives.
So, the Mothers dying in the Maternity Hospitals were Middle Class women, because Hospitals were NOT Free and the Poorer Classes could not afford them.
Interestingly, because of the "personalized" care Home Birthers received, far fewer Home Birther Mothers died than those who paid...
your videos are addictive, you are really fantastic teacher. keep this up, I can see this channel becoming a staple for my YT diet haha
Just discovered you through the Johnny Harris video, I had no idea you had such good quality content
The part that always gets me in the middle ages washing your hands was normal! but then miasma theory was discovered and it was banned because hot water=steam=spreads miasma! and by the time that theory was gone water standards had declined in large cities and black death and killed all the doctors and scholars so it was forgotten and not rediscovered in europe! (other cultures maintained it because washing hands before eating was pretty much universal before colonisation brought europes (then recent) rule of no washing)
Billy: Lads is it gay to wash your hands?
Would love to teach my cat this, still mildly concerned she only cleans herself with her tongue
The lesson is that communication is just as important as facts. Sometimes even more so.
loving the new backgrounds and cinematography
Thanks!
It is a shame it took the Johnny Harris video to bring all these to a greater audience, but boy am I happy it did. Kudos.
Sometimes you need some drama and clickbait to take off
Going to have to work the Semmelweis reflex into a future argument here
Probably someone denying your undeniable swag
this reminded me of this year's Serbian entry at the Eurovision Song Contest. It's called In Corpore Sano and the artist washes her hands compulsively
A really well-presented video! Keep up the awesome work!
Awesome stuff. Keep up the good work!
I just found your channel & became an instant new sub based off your Johnny Harris very well & respected critique on his history video. I'm looking forward to watching both your past & new upcoming content. This channel will become very big soon!
Thanks Christo!
I think hand washing was normal among Jews and Muslims even before 150 years ago
He said specifically hand washing for hygienic, safety reasons, you’re probably right but it’s more of a question of why they washed their hands.
I am new at your channel. I like your lectures, are soo soooo interesting,it is a pleasure to watch. Keep up! Cheers
This is cool! Keep continuing to make quality contents!
Florence Nightingale spent her entire career propagating hygiene and made some major headways in improving hygiene standards in British army hospitals ( A Brief History of Florence Nightingale by Hugh Small). However you only mention her in passing. Was just wondering why did you decide to focus on Ignaz Semmelweis , rather than other people working in similar direction? Was just curious about why Ignaz Semmelweis was the focus of this story, when there were other journeys that were more successful in their campaign ?
Sweet vid! Been showing you to some friends in the US.
Your story telling skills are really good
Your channel is so great! You deserve so many more subs! Hope you get there!
To all Eurovision fans,
🇷🇸🇷🇸🇷🇸 BITI ZDRAVA 🇷🇸🇷🇸🇷🇸
Haha this is news to me
Muslims in Spain and elsewhere did it much earlier that where European benefited most from but Europeans trying to hide that somehow .you should make video about that you seem like a unbiased guy was
Thanks for this, I find medical history fascinating.
Found your channle through the last Video u were doing great content thats why i love some parts of youtube u can always learn something
1:55 "Allgemeines Krankenhaus" with two Ls.
(German for "General Hospital", or "General House for Persons with a disease")
Very good lecture. BUT I don’t understand why you do not mention the french writer and doctor Ferdinand Celine’s doctoral thesis on Semmelweiss.
At minute 5:49, you might want to add the word "Bad" over the titles at the end (?) Looking forward to your next videos.
Really enjoy your videos, which I usually watch on Nebula, but figured I’d pop over here to this one since you mention handwashing in the context of Covid. It should be noted that Covid is an airborne vascular disease and that handwashing, while a great thing to do in general, doesn’t stop the spread; properly, masking, using eye protection, upgrading ventilation, and social distancing help reduce transmission. The pandemic is only getting worse the longer it goes on, so hopefully you or your viewers will see this and save some lives as a result. Also a blanket apology for all the awful things Americans do to make the world more difficult for everybody, especially these days 😀
Geweldige content
You can only imagine how it feels to be as a person who suffers from mysophobia, and other family members rarely was their hands after visiting toilet.
Literally. I have contamination ocd and hand washing is one of my compulsions. In the winter my hands bleed and crack but I see other people with normal hands and yeah, obviously they don’t wash their hands as much as me, but my ocd makes me worry about how little they do. It’s like I don’t trust people without mysophobia 😂
It is like "act like everyone else is possibly contaminated, be precausious and prepare for every surprise moment when contacting other people". Cursed science! Why did you revealed us germs and bacteria!? Or, why people have to pick their noses or act so unhygienic? Simple hand washing helps.
Exactly. When Covid started everyone was like “ahhhhhhh wash your hands!!” And I was like okay this shouldn’t be a huge realization. Kinda sad how it had to take a global pandemic to make people realize how disgusting their hygiene was lmao
And a bit ironic, that in some cases it feels better that that virus came. Everything is (or at least it was) hygienic, no need to shake hands without being weirdo or to make a ritual some time after that, etc. "Finally you can see a glimpse about what kind of world l live in, every day, every moment." Even if overall this global mess is stressing. But now my surrounding people act pretty much as if nothing has happened, there is no virus around, etc. Meanwhile...
Yeah I had that same thought too. I kinda felt bad for it but people were finally starting to understand and now they think I’m weird again.
Hey keep it up man I think you’ve got an awesome style. Like Lemino but history based.
Great job! Keep up the good work! 😁
Hvala!
Hey bro! Getting rid of the reverb would go a long way in improving the viewing experience!
So you’re a doctor? Or moreover a philosopher. Grappling with my European-American identity. So hard because with globalization the European schools (many educated) in the US from a philosophical standpoint Europe is so much better. Intellectual population peaks and valleys are so grave and stark on both ends of the pond. Alas, your cultivation is so DUTCH. Understanding Anglicanism and accepting we were apart of the founding of the Dutch colon - Manhattan NY. There’s so much research and so little time. The unfortunate politics of passports. Technically Anglo-Schweitzer-Dutch. Engels. Really looking forward to this channel.
Colony.
Actually dogs don't sweat.
dogs dont sweat :p love the channel youve got a new fan
A lot of "well respected" people would rather let babies die instead of even entertaining the idea that they are doing something wrong. When things are going this disastrously bad you listen for ideas from anyone... infuriating honestly
Muslims are told by god to wash hands, arms, face, and feet to be clean for every prayer. Alhamdolilah 🤲
Nice video :)
would love to know the situation in "non-Western" civilisations pre-Semmelweis
This video is fire but i gotta say adding the stranger things clock made wanna die
That stuff about hand washing and sermon about irrational denial has never sat right with me. Isn't soap was known (and used) for a very long time (Ignaz Semmelweis suggested to use something like chlorinated lime instead of soap)? I couldn't find medical books from that time that specifically prescribe doctors to wash their hands, but there's some sporadic evidence that they did.
I suspect that other doctors heard dude saying that smelly water reduces mortality by order of magnitude because of weird theory and were, like, "Suuuure. Have you considered publishing it at least? Or maybe it's a statistical fluke? Or did you consider A, B and C?". Of which Semmelweis did nothing and proceeded to insult all influential people around (thus effectively cutting off possibility of someone else replicating his results without risk for their career). He eventually published a book decade later, which had no new experimental data and, when for some reason it strangely didn't cause everyone around to repent, completely lost his marbles (if I remember correctly, source for that is "Five Documents Relating to the Final Illness and Death of Ignaz Semmelweis").
On a related theme, Pasteur's work wasn't just "theoretical", he conducted bunch of ingenious experiments, many of them specifically to address criticisms his earlier work attained. That's probably what explains difference of outcomes.
Notice me senpai
No simping plz
@@ThePresentPast_ not even a little bit?🥺
Dogs can’t sweat
Ugh, but my peers are practicing slavery. Real life slavery. I can't take this system down without pointing out how it is full of slaves for doing things that we all do and just don't get caught for. I hear ya though.
3:00 Semmelweis Ignác was totally Hungarian, and not "Hungarian-born".
Austrians again cherry picking on nationalities, like with they done with Hitler...
Found new bangers
Anyone else read freakonomics bc this guy did too ☝️
This is a mad history channel dogshot out
It's not as clear as the creator intented it to be. I was lost multiple time and had to go back in the video and it's not very complex content.
"sweat like dogs" what a silly saying😅 dogs dont sweat 😂
Lmfao love the cultural references
What an idiotic premise. Guess some people that are history of medicine experts. Give the context.
One element you missed about one reason why Semmelweiss was marginalised - Semmelweiss was Jewish and anti-Semitism played a part...
No he wasn't. He was a catholic of German descent.