@@msizimaphumulospecialist4146 That one is spineless and beyond repair. Totally destroyed any credibility he had. Zuma is stressing them too much. Giving them nightmares.
MK is no more according ANC then what these victims of somnambulism come from.Was disbanded by the ANC.Msholozi went to the oblivion stage to bring it back to life.What is their role now these Veterans.
She is being asked to tell us why President Zuma will vote for MK instead of ANC, he tells us about the history of Umkhonto Wesizwe, It's clear she is reading something and this interview was staged, I hope they paid her enough to feed her grandchildren, cost of living is too high Mama, we understand..lol!! Rest Mama Rest
Now she is representing Anc veterans of MK, I'm confused because she is too young to be a veteran, she looks like she is An youth member because when you talk about veterans, it should be someone old From 60 yrs up and should be from exile, this woman is on late 30,s and she doesn't qualify to be a veteran, so she is sent and used as a tool to fight Zuma, again why IEC approve this party to register as they know it's Anc wing of which Anc is also registered, e Why they proceeded with this senseless duplication Idea, something is fish here they were up to some trick And thank u Zuma for exposing this corrupt Anc, forward with Zuma forward❤
@@BongukwenzaNgcobo Those people were not children of the ANC.Zuma is not a chiold of an ANC cadre he belongs to the country and the community.ANC the logo doesnt give birth to children. It was children of South Africa that the logo used in MK.History belongs to people not logos.
@@Technology24 Let me repeat myself.. The ANC (an organisation) gave birth to Umkhonto Wesizwe... These are not humans they are organisations 🤣🤣🤣 The history of UMkhonto Wesizwe INCLUDES its logo... That's just common sense
Do you deny the fact that ANC is currently captured by the very enemy it fought for almost a century? Do you deny the fact that MK was born out of a strategic disagreement within ANC as to how the struggle was supposed to be directed and executed, which is exactly the case even now? Are you claiming to know and understand the history of ANC and MK better than Comrade Jacob Zuma does?
So there was no problem with this new political party until Zuma entered the show, as far as I know they have registered with the IEC before Zuma's announcement 🤔
It is regrettable that they are using frail folks in their PR. The MKVA interim structure selected an inept representative, who then seemed to be surprised by the events. They are incapable of understanding what is happening in the ANC and the nation. They have to concede that Zuma outwitted them.
Wow, didn't know Nonkonzo is a military veteran spokesperson. The lift still doesn't get to the top floor. Ephondweni bakutsho "intambo kayifiki kuparafini"
Hehake"Glorious History"!!! Whats in the name na sana? They were quiet when the MK party was registered with IEC, probably thought nothing would come of it. Suddenly when Zuma is supporting MK they are coming out of their holes and acting up! Interesting!
Zuma didn't mislead anyone, he was clear in his statement, that he will vote for newly formed party MK, they disbanded the MK themselves, all of sudden they come to defend a disbanded MK, Zuma knows how to play his cards,
Not sure if it's me ...but I found it very difficult to comprehend what this MK lady is trying to put forward except that she is vaguely unhappy that a disbanded MK brand has been registered as a political party.
Lady, your uMkhonto weSizwe was disbanded by the ANC. You do no own the name or the so-called brand. This lady should stop defending nonsense. The so-called sacred history she is referring to does not deserve to be preserved.
Last kick of a dying horse. Have we forgotten Guptas n Shabir Sheik. He was the mastermind of state capture and he should have been tried for treason. Zonda Commission proved this.
@@rosedyantyi3802 he did .too much under very difficult circumstances.he tries this and that he was taken to court through pro aphetheird conduits like Afri forum, Hellen suziman, etc.he is only operational options was Gupta's.he did his best to be honest
Reading a script written by Hersof and handed over to Ramaphosa. How did Hersof know the elections were on the 22 May 2024 before the announcement ? Same Gupta modus operandi.
It's so sad to listen to a whole mother in defense of thieves, yet knowing very well that whatever she's saying is of being in protection of her own personal benefit and not of the veterans benefits😢😢. Oksalayo we're voting for umkhonto wesizwe that is formed by msholozi.
Zuma was suppose to retire peacefully to his Nkandla homestead and spend time with his grandchildren period,instance of breaking our lovely party...he screw up big time,ANC won't support him in any trouble he faces.
MKMVA must move on. Life is dynamic. Each generation creates its own history. The fact tgat a party was established and followed all legal pricesses to be registere with IEC without them being aware, it's a clear picture that these people are sleeping. Hiw can we continue to be led by slumbers.
Bamuthembise something lo mama, you can hear kuthi she's not speaking from the heart utsheliwe what to say... oppose Zuma! From inside. the MK veteran's especially men are with Zuma manje yena ngoba u weak uthengekile.
She needs to look after her grandchildren. It's embarrassing for her to come and speak. MK was a forgotten name with no pedigree. Zuma is giving it the wheels to start moving and be in line with what it was meant to be.
I think Msholozi should just form his own party, ngoba uyatsandvwa his party can be one of the leading parties in SA. He must just take a stand like Juju did
He's too old for active politics. What he's doing now is right. To campaign for an alternative. Ppl of SA deserve better than the cancerous ANC of Ramaphosa
Lol ppl here know exactly what is happening or this lady is saying. MK is a faction divided into 2. In fact ANC is a factional party and ppl still identify themselves under specific persons. So the retired president Zuma's behaviour compared to Thabo is so concerning. Thabo ddnt cause any destruction. Thabo is still vocal but doesn't cause division except to put his arguments accross for ANC to consider and ponder its direction. Thabo was so decent to let go and remained ANC member. He is still vocal though and able to argue anything wrong in the ANC without imposing himself as the only opinion that matters. The leadership of Ramaphosa is not perfect either and he should be lashed at. He doesn't hv to be a permanent leader if the party doesn't like his behaviour. He can be gotten rid of if he is destroying the party according to views by other ppl. If his leadership is driven by certain forces that want to destroy the ANC let's hear it, ppl must present evidence or information to that effect. It can't be that we hear of the influence from ruperts etc then when ppl fail to influence the mass resort to manipulation instead. Zuma must influence the ppl within and its their teaching
They tried to get rid of him wenzan yena wafaka imali emakhukwini abantu wawina engawinanga uban ongazi ukuthi wawina kanjani,almost 3/4 of candidate were gone when he was announced to be a winner in the conference,kusele amaxoki kuphela kwi ANC
3.9 millions members just on MK party four days the heavy weight of SA politics announced is supporting and will vote for MK. Show me one PhD or MA self acclaimed SA black politicians who can command that followers. Nizogcina ngakho nokusebenzisana nogqiwa ukugcindezela isizwe esimnyama. Angeke nikhave ku Nxamalala naku MK.
Shaka died years ago now Zuma want to replace Shaka by his sturbon he wants his own tribal party which supported most in his province. The party full if tribalism and Neupotism. Zuma love attention and screen by that time the face is now tired and expired to be exposed on Public domain...
Mandela disbanded the umkhonto wesizwe,( MK ) and only Chris Hani who commented on the disbanded of the MK , from that time the name was available for anyone to use the name MK. 😮
There wasn't any mentioning of MK until Zuma helped form the MKP. Suddenly the ANC is aggrieved and the MKV are suddenly complaining when they were irrelevant to the ANC just recently. PLEEEASE!
No madam you're speaking out of anger and please remember even the current ANC the MKVA is not comfortable working with the current leader ship , I'd say rest in peace and let the real MK rise 🎉🎉
Utshayiwe Sisi........you remain a grouping. ANC MK was never a corporate entity. It was a liberation/guerilla movement not recognized by any corporate law.
What year are we in ? How much energy is being directed in the wrong direction? Why not focus on the youth unemployment or infrastructure issues? I really think this living in past just doesn't help anyone. Get on an airoplane and travel around the globe.......the reality is people want to grow in peace and have a better future for their children. Constantly driving a negative narrative is just such a waste of time. Come on folks we are better than this......
Shocking how quiet you were when your leader disbanded MKMVA
We all know she's not an MK Member this one😂😂😂 but the ANC sale out
She doesn't even understand her own issues.
She was paid to do this
Yes she's no way to be close or closer to MK
Where were all these Veterans when Ramaphosa disbanded the MKMVA
True question
What happened to the MKMVA after they came back home they built them RDP house in Kagiso ext13 not far away from leratong hospital
I like your Question
Which ever way., we going with uMsholozi.. Whether is Mkhonto or Axe or Hummer..
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Oksalayo wena Bhuti.....😂😂😂
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Mama is out of DEPTH, She’s not even making sense here.
Zuma didn't form the party but willing to support.
Are you saying he is an opportunist?
Well explained and clear
Another confused Gogo.
Did Zuma form/launch the MK party or he just merely anounced that he will be campaigning and voting for it ??
Lol, Bamuthengile u gogo shame. Vele umama bayayithanda imali bengenza noma yini 🤣🤣🤣🤣
It's like listening to Mavuso Msimang. Confusion 😅😅😅
@@msizimaphumulospecialist4146 That one is spineless and beyond repair. Totally destroyed any credibility he had.
Zuma is stressing them too much. Giving them nightmares.
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She completely confused 😂😂but i understand she older
😂😂😂😂She is clueless
we are not confused! we are MK by fire by force💚💚💚
MK is no more according ANC then what these victims of somnambulism come from.Was disbanded by the ANC.Msholozi went to the oblivion stage to bring it back to life.What is their role now these Veterans.
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Yeah so what are they crying about? Instead of focusing on a new opposition
Are you also member of the MK. Have you ever been one?
@@thandekavikilahle8081 You don't have to be a member to know that it was disbanded. Focus!!
ANC divorced MK
It's clear, she misunderstood Msholozi
Zuma did no form or launch MK party, he just simply said he will support and vote MK party.
That seems to be very hard for people to understand. When you're panicking you don't think properly. Zuma has them by the things
Who formed ATM?
@@JosiahManganyi-xs8biaccording to your understanding, who formed ATM?
I'm not surprised I.knew that most of the stupid zulus will run after their corrupt boss zuma
@@MotlokwaThwii😂😂😂let me say it for Zuma has them by the balls and it's about time
She is being asked to tell us why President Zuma will vote for MK instead of ANC, he tells us about the history of Umkhonto Wesizwe, It's clear she is reading something and this interview was staged, I hope they paid her enough to feed her grandchildren, cost of living is too high Mama, we understand..lol!! Rest Mama Rest
This so called veterans are confused who said MK party belongs to Zuma?
SABC is always ready to discredit Zuma at all costs. 😊
Who's this woman vhele....
We don't Siya phambiki nomsholozi bonke bayalazi I qiniso voesyek ngabo bonke
SABC a very useless broadcast SA has ever have
Now she is representing Anc veterans of MK, I'm confused because she is too young to be a veteran, she looks like she is An youth member because when you talk about veterans, it should be someone old
From 60 yrs up and should be from exile, this woman is on late 30,s and she doesn't qualify to be a veteran, so she is sent and used as a tool to fight Zuma, again why IEC approve this party to register as they know it's Anc wing of which Anc is also
registered, e
Why they proceeded with this senseless duplication Idea, something is fish here they were up to some trick And thank u Zuma for exposing this corrupt Anc, forward with Zuma forward❤
All of a sudden the ANC owns the history of this country.The history of this country belongs to all of us we are all South Africans
Actually the ANC own the HISTORY of Umkhonto Wesizwe as it was formed by the ANC..SImple..
P0
@@BongukwenzaNgcobo Those people were not children of the ANC.Zuma is not a chiold of an ANC cadre he belongs to the country and the community.ANC the logo doesnt give birth to children. It was children of South Africa that the logo used in MK.History belongs to people not logos.
@@Technology24 I'm sure you're not even understanding yourself... 🤣🤣
@@Technology24 Let me repeat myself.. The ANC (an organisation) gave birth to Umkhonto Wesizwe... These are not humans they are organisations 🤣🤣🤣
The history of UMkhonto Wesizwe INCLUDES its logo... That's just common sense
She is confused and doesn't know what she is saying. Tenders will run dry when MK and the EFF are incharge😂
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Yeah MK is no more according ANC.Its history according these Coconuts.Salute Msholozi.
Do you deny the fact that ANC is currently captured by the very enemy it fought for almost a century? Do you deny the fact that MK was born out of a strategic disagreement within ANC as to how the struggle was supposed to be directed and executed, which is exactly the case even now?
Are you claiming to know and understand the history of ANC and MK better than Comrade Jacob Zuma does?
Zuma has been the ANC enemy long time that's why it was a mistake for him to be the president of this country
Is she reading a script?
for sure.
Sebethumele omunye umuntu wesifazane futhi??? Go home mama and prepare Xmas food 😂
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Sies
Well Done Msholozi ❤❤❤❤
So there was no problem with this new political party until Zuma entered the show, as far as I know they have registered with the IEC before Zuma's announcement 🤔
It is regrettable that they are using frail folks in their PR. The MKVA interim structure selected an inept representative, who then seemed to be surprised by the events. They are incapable of understanding what is happening in the ANC and the nation.
They have to concede that Zuma outwitted them.
That is if "outwit" and "deception" means the same thing
Deception is the game
Who's this one now😂😂😂, ANC is in trouble here trying all tricks to confuse South Africans 😂 with these useless explanations
Wow, didn't know Nonkonzo is a military veteran spokesperson. The lift still doesn't get to the top floor. Ephondweni bakutsho "intambo kayifiki kuparafini"
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Hehake"Glorious History"!!! Whats in the name na sana? They were quiet when the MK party was registered with IEC, probably thought nothing would come of it. Suddenly when Zuma is supporting MK they are coming out of their holes and acting up! Interesting!
I don't think they were even aware because of the dark holes they were in.
Babuyaphi lapho Nonkonzo bebethule bekuphi?? Hey go fly a kite
When Zuma Coughs The whole ANC WMC catches flu,
lol say tht again
True
iANC uyibambe ngamantazingana. They were caught off guard.
ANC is better off without Zuma.
Are you sure??🤣🤣
I don't think there would be so much noise if that was the case.
ANC need Zuma to retain KZN. You have limited political acumen neh?
What is his personal Agenda?
Zuma didn't mislead anyone, he was clear in his statement, that he will vote for newly formed party MK, they disbanded the MK themselves, all of sudden they come to defend a disbanded MK, Zuma knows how to play his cards,
Let's see if the ANC has the balls to expell Zuma
Not on the cards as of now.
@@mandlenkosishabalala8890 I am also awaiting to see the ANC double standards at play. Zuma is not Msimanga. Azikhale!!
They should have done that long ago, but it's a check mate.
Not sure if it's me ...but I found it very difficult to comprehend what this MK lady is trying to put forward except that she is vaguely unhappy that a disbanded MK brand has been registered as a political party.
Lady, your uMkhonto weSizwe was disbanded by the ANC. You do no own the name or the so-called brand. This lady should stop defending nonsense. The so-called sacred history she is referring to does not deserve to be preserved.
Sxsvvvbb@@zumkwana101
Cancelled that mk
Ukhuluma into engamanga bakthumile
South Africa must move on from the ANC. They have reached their limit. It is time for another leadership formation to take us forward.
They have passed their sellby date
They have ransacked the country,we are left with nothing at all
So true, nobody but the ANC bigwigs benefits from their rule nowadays
Last kick of a dying horse. Have we forgotten Guptas n Shabir Sheik. He was the mastermind of state capture and he should have been tried for treason. Zonda Commission proved this.
This sick man Zuma is completely healed, what a miracle……. Show that our country has become a joke
Zuma has a natural duty to defend this country.period
Which country??
Why didn't he save it during his presidency?
Lance against who 😂
Yes yes
@@kaizersuze9000 the erstwhile enemy we fought against pre1994 now operating through Ramaposa.its only those that pretend not to see
@@rosedyantyi3802 he did .too much under very difficult circumstances.he tries this and that he was taken to court through pro aphetheird conduits like Afri forum, Hellen suziman, etc.he is only operational options was Gupta's.he did his best to be honest
We really don't care what you saying we UMkhongo wesizwe you forgot about umkhonto weSizwe now you remember them
Zuma is really MK soldier not this one who is telling us about Mk
Stop wasting our data and time man.
Anc abandoned umkhonto until.last year we will vote for Zuma we know our history
Reading a script written by Hersof and handed over to Ramaphosa. How did Hersof know the elections were on the 22 May 2024 before the announcement ? Same Gupta modus operandi.
We're not ready to talk about this because Rob is white and whites are our Masters. It's okay if it's done by the likes of Rob and Rupert
REST MAMA
Zuma dribbled pass the ANC😂😂
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48 Laws of Power by Robert Greene....
So 16 December is mk day😂😂😂😂
Didn't know that either 😂
Mid-interview, this lady realised that she was being petty. She kept sighing
MK waya waya💚🖤
It's so sad to listen to a whole mother in defense of thieves, yet knowing very well that whatever she's saying is of being in protection of her own personal benefit and not of the veterans benefits😢😢.
Oksalayo we're voting for umkhonto wesizwe that is formed by msholozi.
Nxamalala 😂😂😂😂 he's tired of mbalulas
Samba noZuma thina😭😭
...Anc votes are going away
That's the issue, not Zuma per se
Zuma is the only ANC president that listened to Mandela, this is exactly what he said we must do to the ANC
Zuma has natural wisdom, hate or love him. The man can strike at your weakest spot.
Natural wisdom for corruption?
We are going with Zuma, u can say whatever you want we love Zuma
Zuma was suppose to retire peacefully to his Nkandla homestead and spend time with his grandchildren period,instance of breaking our lovely party...he screw up big time,ANC won't support him in any trouble he faces.
MKMVA must move on. Life is dynamic. Each generation creates its own history. The fact tgat a party was established and followed all legal pricesses to be registere with IEC without them being aware, it's a clear picture that these people are sleeping. Hiw can we continue to be led by slumbers.
Just shut up benithule nithini nibona ilizwe lifa???
😅thina sumkhonto ka Zuma asufun lowenu wase phalaphala
Opportunist are everywhere you can't stop them.
Why you were so quiet for so many years when things go wrong. On top of that we don't know you in politics.
ANC of Ramaphosa is scared of Zuma . For Msholozi to mention that he will support MK , he is now accussed of forming the party.
That lady never been at war sis and shame to him we fought for this many live went off so Zuma he is right
True Zuma, exploited those veterans and unemployed black people.
Phala's sidekicks😂
Bamuthembise something lo mama, you can hear kuthi she's not speaking from the heart utsheliwe what to say... oppose Zuma! From inside. the MK veteran's especially men are with Zuma manje yena ngoba u weak uthengekile.
Politics is not Butterworth nor Hilbrow Inn😅😅😅
This lady is crazy, MK was disbanded by her president Ramaphosa, we r voting MK, Viva msholozi viva
Ramaphosa and his stooges thought by disbanding the MK they will destroy Zuma's support, that man is loved naturally
Ramaphosa killed that history long time ago 🤦🏾♂️
This woman is clueless. She doesn't even believe in what she says.
It waz the MK who took up arms and wanted to protect Zuma when Ramsphosa wanted to jail Zuma.
Losisi uthin ngempela ngisho uZuma engavula ikati party sizothi mbooooo
Nami ngishonjalo😂
I don't care who formed what! All I know is Msholozi is calling and I going there to join him.
Let's go
we are now grown, we can see a person who is paid by WMC in their eyes, like this lady .......Viva MK
yangdidake manje which war they are veteraning for 😂😂
She needs to look after her grandchildren. It's embarrassing for her to come and speak. MK was a forgotten name with no pedigree. Zuma is giving it the wheels to start moving and be in line with what it was meant to be.
ANC dead whether you all like it or not if I were you Ngabe sengihambile already ngiyolandela uMsholozi.
Zuma was also member of MK
I think Msholozi should just form his own party, ngoba uyatsandvwa his party can be one of the leading parties in SA. He must just take a stand like Juju did
Uthandwa nguw3
He's too old for active politics. What he's doing now is right. To campaign for an alternative. Ppl of SA deserve better than the cancerous ANC of Ramaphosa
@@johndoor863nabanye abaningi of course
This woman is younger than Zuma's daughter, yet she purports to speak for MKVA. How ridiculous
Lol ppl here know exactly what is happening or this lady is saying. MK is a faction divided into 2. In fact ANC is a factional party and ppl still identify themselves under specific persons.
So the retired president Zuma's behaviour compared to Thabo is so concerning. Thabo ddnt cause any destruction. Thabo is still vocal but doesn't cause division except to put his arguments accross for ANC to consider and ponder its direction.
Thabo was so decent to let go and remained ANC member. He is still vocal though and able to argue anything wrong in the ANC without imposing himself as the only opinion that matters.
The leadership of Ramaphosa is not perfect either and he should be lashed at. He doesn't hv to be a permanent leader if the party doesn't like his behaviour. He can be gotten rid of if he is destroying the party according to views by other ppl. If his leadership is driven by certain forces that want to destroy the ANC let's hear it, ppl must present evidence or information to that effect. It can't be that we hear of the influence from ruperts etc then when ppl fail to influence the mass resort to manipulation instead. Zuma must influence the ppl within and its their teaching
They tried to get rid of him wenzan yena wafaka imali emakhukwini abantu wawina engawinanga uban ongazi ukuthi wawina kanjani,almost 3/4 of candidate were gone when he was announced to be a winner in the conference,kusele amaxoki kuphela kwi ANC
Let them panic Msholozi 👌👌👌
3.9 millions members just on MK party four days the heavy weight of SA politics announced is supporting and will vote for MK.
Show me one PhD or MA self acclaimed SA black politicians who can command that followers.
Nizogcina ngakho nokusebenzisana nogqiwa ukugcindezela isizwe esimnyama. Angeke nikhave ku Nxamalala naku MK.
Waze wasikhulula Nxamalala .Viva Gedleyihlekisa Viva .Bayabhuda bayangcangcazele for umntu omnye
They must stop being CRAZY for Msholozi ghaaaaa 😮😮
Hayi asazi yozala nkomoni ku le confusion
Not all MK veterans "accuse Zuma of exploiting the MK party". Some are with him, others are not.
😂😂Kuyazwela kwabanye akulaleki
Ai angani nayihlakaza i mk manje nifunani umsholozi uzivusele imk sihamba nawe gedley'hlekisa
Shaka died years ago now Zuma want to replace Shaka by his sturbon he wants his own tribal party which supported most in his province. The party full if tribalism and Neupotism. Zuma love attention and screen by that time the face is now tired and expired to be exposed on Public domain...
This Woman is Ramaphosa's sidechick
I will vote for MK since your President who hides zaka under the mattress disbanded it , viva Msholozi.
MK was disbanded by the capitalist Ramadollar in front of your eyes and Zuma is resacitating it.Shut up
Well done Zuma take those old votes
Mandela disbanded the umkhonto wesizwe,( MK ) and only Chris Hani who commented on the disbanded of the MK , from that time the name was available for anyone to use the name MK. 😮
There wasn't any mentioning of MK until Zuma helped form the MKP. Suddenly the ANC is aggrieved and the MKV are suddenly complaining when they were irrelevant to the ANC just recently. PLEEEASE!
No madam you're speaking out of anger and please remember even the current ANC the MKVA is not comfortable working with the current leader ship , I'd say rest in peace and let the real MK rise 🎉🎉
so many members of MK not only this woman
UMkhonto weSizwe is the disbanded military wing of ANC, which is part of it's heritage.
Utshayiwe Sisi........you remain a grouping. ANC MK was never a corporate entity. It was a liberation/guerilla movement not recognized by any corporate law.
We no longer have MK it was disbanded early this year. I don't know why they complaining about the name as they technically do not exist!
What year are we in ? How much energy is being directed in the wrong direction? Why not focus on the youth unemployment or infrastructure issues? I really think this living in past just doesn't help anyone. Get on an airoplane and travel around the globe.......the reality is people want to grow in peace and have a better future for their children. Constantly driving a negative narrative is just such a waste of time. Come on folks we are better than this......