Did Jesus claim to be God? Bart Ehrman vs Peter J Williams
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- Опубликовано: 20 ноя 2019
- Bart Ehrman & Peter J Williams debate how the Gospels portray the claims Jesus made about himself.
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When Jesus come back to our world later, he'll disappointed how people change his teachings to something totally different than what he originally said.
When Jesus comes back, it will not be to talk things over - the Bible reveals He will be coming to rid the world of evil, and to save GOD's people from being exterminated
Only the Catholic Church retains the pure and entire message of Jesus Christ. All other churches or denominations are either schisms or heresies.
@@GeorgePenton-np9rh if you belive Erhman, than the catholic bible is also inaccurate.
@@catalinasacareanu9334 I don't know where you got the idea that I agree with Ehrman. I strongly disagree with him. I believe strongly in the divinity of Christ.
Ehrman makes the argument that only the gospel of John says Jesus is God and that the other three gospels do not. What I was saying is that in all four gospels Jesus let's people call Him "Lord", a term the Jews used almost exclusively for God, so that in my opinion all four gospels say Jesus is God.
@George Penton
It's worth noting that Jesus does not mention or associate the Catholic church in His message of salvation, but moreso, and that the temple(often translated church in English Bibles), is likened to Jesus' body, as-in, the body of Christian fellowship.
And in contrast with the Catholic church(as it were), that would be formed several centuries following Jesus' death and resurrection, would not reflect Jesus teachings and commandments.
Moses parted the Red Sea.. Is he God? No.
ARE YOU SURE ABOUT RED SEA😀😀
Exodus 14:21 says that the Lord did it not Moses
@@CDAinVA show me in the Bible where Jesus says "I am God therefore worship me". Don't give me metaphors or conjecture. Give me verbatim.
@@efiq78 are you sure Jesus did anything on his own? Uh you won't find that anywhere in the Bible
@@efiq78 and yes I am sure about the Red Sea. The cutest thing about followers of Christ. None speak Aramaic and very few even read at all
You can’t beat someone that’s not even debating. Bart never puts himself out on a ledge during these discussions trying to prove a point. He understands the texts and just offers honest analysis. Love hearing him speak.
Muses pbuh was a prophet and as well as Jesus Pbuh too. But animies of humanity changed the words like i am not God, and they removed the word not. And that becomes an other beleif. Jesus said i am not the son of God and enemies of humanity removed the word not. Just a little change made Him God and all the christians till date now have not convinced any single human being that Jesus is God or the son of God because he was not a god or not a son of God. He was a true christ and he had miracles like other prophets. But when human will beleive blindly, than they are worst than animals because God has given the power to understand and in an other verse in the bible it is clearly mention that God is not a man and not the son of a man.
In new testament
God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
God is not a man that He would lie, neither a son of man to be advised; He says and he does and his word stands for eternities.
Quran Is the last book of God. And everything is clearly mention. And most imoortant thing the true words of God in the Quran according to christian are from devil. Because christains beleive what is written. I never mind we should beleive in the words of God. But the thing is what is being mentioned, it should be proved. Or even could easily convinced to your brain and no christian brother even can convince himself from one verse to an other and result is sheikh Yousuf Estes.
@@smalltimer4370
It's not clear exactly who you think is full of shit. Ehrman or Williams?
@@Raz.CEhrman is a bad foil.
read his book-How Jesus became God.
Bart knows nothing about truth. He pushes Jesus name which is a pagan lie and he definitely does not know the truth about how Immanuel became Yahweh the Father in the flesh.
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Very impressive how Ehrman calmly and amicably returns the goalposts to their original position when it's his turn to speak again.
I think Ehrman is enjoying swimming himself in a pool of denying. He feels too good to deny and to present all possibilities and potholes to make his argument valid.. Is like a drug to him.
@Caratacus where?
@Caratacus That’s BS
@Caratacus I think he means Jesus is presented as a divine being in the first 3 gospels. However he is not presented literally as god rather more of an //equal// to god or like an archangel sort of thing?
@Caratacus that’s no the issue, the question is did Jesus himself claim his own divinity, Bart thinks not.
'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'" (John 20:17)
He's not a god because How can a god have god?
" But about the Son he says,
“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.”
Hebrews Chapter One.
@@wrcrawford548 You hit it.😑
lokmane , you cant pick up only one or two verses part by part, Bible is Phericopae , its comprehensive way to be understood, not partially,
If you see the testimony of prophesy of ISAIAH 9: 6, YESHUA / JESUS is the MIGHTY GOD, EVERLASTING FATHER , this is legitimite Prophesy Isaiah is Infallible and inspired by ELOHIM ,
Not from his own mouth ,,or any man idea, but ELOHIM spoke to him,
Those verse, of Issiah 9:6 is backing up Jhon 1:1 The word f God is God, not "a god" ( like NWT of Jehovah witnesses translated it )
And Again Hebrew 1:8-9 God he mention Jesus as God ,
And all God commanded all angles must worship him ( Jesus ) Hebrew 1: 6
Remember this : angles is not deserve to be Worshiped , only GOD Deserve to be worship,
And God commanded all angles must worship Jesus,
JESUS is ALFA AND OMEGA The WORD OF GOD Revelation 1:8 revelation 1: 17-18 ( compare to Jhon 1:1 the WORD of GOD = JESUS is GOD , )
JESUS although in the FORM OF GOD He humble Himself ,He didnt put Himself in equal with God
Philippians 2:6, Colossians 1:15, Hebrew 1:3
1 TIMOTHY 3:16 GOD MANIFEST HIMSELF AS FLESH IN JESUS FORM,,
It was not because i want to believe Jesus is God ? NO but its Bible testimony and Bible is the writen holy scriptures from God through all His prophets and Apostles,
A TRUE CHRISTIAN MUST BELIEVE WHAT BIBLE SAY AS IT IS NOT AS WHAT RELIGIOUS LEADER OR ANY MAN OPINION,, which involving their hiden agendas and egotism, ( which many of them are , that is why one Bible becoming millions of different teaching against each others , )
TRUE CHRISTIAN MUST SUBMIT TO THE WORD OF GOD, there are many peoples dont submit to the word of God , therefore they made up their own truth, to satisfied their fleshly desire , Romans 10:3
Jesus say : if you dont believe that I am HE you will die in your sins , Jhon 8:24 kjv
Who is Jesus mean when he said about HE ☝🏽 ? Let continue to follow Jhon 8 :27 kjv
They understood not the he spake to them of the FATHER
Yes Jesus say to the Jews , you will die in your sin if you dont believe I AM GOD / FATHER ,
do we need more testimony of God word about it ? Let we see Isaiah 9: 6
For unto us a child is born ,unto us a son is given and the government
shall be upon his shoulder and HIS NAME shall be called : Wonderful
Counselor , The MIGHTY GOD, The EVERLASTING FATHER ,The Prince
Of Peace ■
Isaiah made those prophesy 700 years earlier before Jesus came onto the earth , why did he say like Jesus were already appear in his day ? Because 1000 year is only one day in God Eyes
2 Peter 3:8 700 years not even one day in God eyes , God said to Adam: if you eat those fruit in that day you will die, and Adam and Eve they died at the age more than 980 years = less than one day, GOD IS NOT LORD OF CONFUSION 1 Corinthian 14:33
Human ignorancy and ignoramus is sources of global confusion , when God said 2+2 = 4 human interpreted it becoming 2+2 = 22, just because they claim to be great mathematician, and they follower believe them, their logic turn in to butt hole, is that sound like sophisticated problem ?
They say : what God think is different than we human use to think, what human love that is what God hate, everything what God dont like that is what human love to do so
( its product misquotation ,mostly Christian are Biblical illeterate / lazy to read the Bible alone, but diligently watching porn, theynwrnt to the church which full of phedofiliac, and the galse teacher 2 Peter 2: 1-3 , MONEY is their first interest , religion offer the biggest field for lazy peoples to make ton of money without drop of sweat, but their saliva ☝🏽😲🖐🏼💦 👍🏼😭splatered every where on the spiritual boogie woogie stage ,they speak whatever ,and the members believe them , this kind of man philosophy sound right and its end up in deadly road Proverb 14:12, 15 , Colossians 2:8 they are not from Christ,,but from their lord of stomach and genital Philipians 3:19 )
With love in Yahushua Ha Masiach for you all , Salvation only in Yahushua name Acts 4:12 Jesus is Yahushua Ha Masiach = YAH OUR SALVATION ,Shalom Alaichem Bashem Yahushua Ha Masiach ,,
@@dellythezar8047
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
John 17:3
According to Jesus who is the only true god ?
@@dzairtech Jesus called True God as ABBA =;FATHER and ELOI / ELOHIM Jesus never mention as "Jehovah " NEVER , NOT EVEN ONCE in NT scriptures,
True ELOHIM is AHAYAH ASHER AHAYAH becoming I AM THAT I AM in english translation ,Exodus 3: 14 KJV, and translated in Greek tetragramaton as YHWH,,
And WHAT IS THE WILL OF GOD for everyone shall do ?
Jhon 6: 40 KJV 👉 AND THIS IS THE WILL OF HIM , THAT SENT ME , that every which seeth the son ,as BELIEVETH ON HIM , MAY HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE and I will raise him up at the last day,
Jhon 6: 44 KJV 👉 NO man can come to me ,except the Father which hath sent me draw him : and i will raise him up at the last day.
Jhon 14:6 Jesus is The WAY the TRUTH the LIFE, no one can come to ELOHIM / GOD without through Him,
Acts 4: 12 SALVATION is ONLY IN YAHUSHUA/ JESUS NAME NO ANY OTHER NAME under heaven,
ELOHIM ABBA has sent JESUS as the SALVATION for mankind in the world/ on earth
1Jhon 4:14,
This is very important foundation of true Christian Faith , that is HAVE FAITH IN CHRIST, AND FEAR OF ELOHIM on the base of love, ( integrity , not fear of thief get busted by police man )
Jehovah Witness draw peoples in to Jehovah ORGANIZATION ,, by recruiting them,,
But TRUE GOD draw people to Jesus, Jhon 6: 40, 44, not in to Religious denomination, nor Organization neither sect or churches or Cult but TO JESUS CHRIST that is THE WILL OF TRUE GOD, that everyone shall believe in Jesus , IT IS GOD WILL NOT ANY MAN WILL ,
Yes according to Jesus the true God is ELOHIM , ABBA / FATHER IN HEAVEN who already given His name to His begotten Son YAHUSHUA HA MASIACH / YAH IS OUR SALVATION , = IESOUS CHRISTOS , / JESUS CHRIST Jhon 17:11-12 KJV,
Therefore to Call Jesus name mean to Call His Father name ,,,,, the name of Jehovah never exist in Bible , YHWH is not Jehovah, impossible becoming Jehovah, no such vowel exist,
Hallelu YAH is not Hallelu JEH , " Jehovah" is a name invented by a Catholic monk namely Raymundus Martini, in 17 century, in his book called " Pugio Fidey" / Dagger of faith ,
Later on becoming popularized by William Tyndale a Bible translator from Germany when he made translstion of PANTETEUCH / 5 BOOK OF MOSES , since that time the name of " Jehovah" prevalently use , YHWH is not Jehovah, its imposdible pronounciation,,( see Jewish Rabbinic dictionary concerning to YHWH , )
The letter of J does not exist in any language until early 16 century,
The J letter is an experimental letter from " I " by adding the " tail" under it becoming "J "
IESUS is not JESUS, IEREMIA is not JEREMIAH, etc , there is no " J " letter in Hebrew nor in Greek, Jehovah is not correct pronounciation or vowel of YHWH , but YaHuWeH is nearest in to proper pronounciation , no J neither V,
The ONLY THROUGH JESUS PEOPLE WILL KNOW the REAL TRUE GOD, Jhon14:6
The very foundation of all true Christian Faith is SALVATION , Acts 4:12 16: 30-31,
Without JESUS no one will know TRUE GOD, Genesis 1 :3 God SAITH let there be the light and there was the light, 👉 Jhon 1:3
Genesis 1: 1 KJV In the beginning GOD created
Jhon 1:1 KJV In the beginning was the WORD
God SAITH = God WORD , 👉 the WORD of GOD is JESUS Jhon 1:14, ,
In Old Testament when ELOHIM SPOKE TO ALL PROPHETS OF ISREAL , THAT WAS VOICE OF JESUS THE WORD OF GOD, all Bible from beginning till last pages its all about JESUS ,,= GOD WORD ,
Shalom Aleichem Bashem Yahushua Ha Masiach , Elohim love in Christ be with you all,
Interesting argument from Bart, but what do I make of Mathew 23:37? Which is repeated in Luke.
Not sure what point you are making - can you spell it out?
It's very strange that you see this scripture as Jesus claiming to be god. Do you not understand it? By the way, when you want to quote this scripture saying Matthew 23:35-39 is more accurate & complete.
Bart Ehrman was so calm and collected, while the other guy was all over the place and kind of kept stuttering.
Does how calm someone appears or how much they stutter matter compared to the actual points they make?
@@yxtqwf
Yes because in this case,
it indicates the trinity guy lacks confidence in the nonsense he's spouting.
Bart will be calm until you asked him so was the universe created or not?
@@billyroland2758 Bart hardly use any hard evidence
He just throws questions and play with uncertainty and he is very good with it. It is normal for other guys will lack confidence talking with such an expert
But will any of Bart's statement change the faith of the other guy or true Christian? no chance
Much more of a nonsense is if you believe in no God (atheist) or pagan
He’s a very smart guy but his theory is complete nonsense he really doesn’t understand Christian theology.
But Jesus himself said he would “prostrate” to the lord 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
Is it in your CULT BOOK UNHOLY QURAN?
Lord Jesus Christ NEVER said such a Blasphemous thing.!!
Lord Jesus Christ is God Almighty "Yahweh/Yahovah" Revealed and Manifested Himself in the Eternal Person of the Lord Yahshua/Jesus Christ.!!
Unless He open your blinded eyes, you can't comprehend His Deity.!! 👉Numbers24:15-17; Psalms2:1-12; 110:1-7; Proverbs30:4; Isaiah9:6-7; Daniel2:34-49; 7:13-14; Micah 5:1-5; Zechariah 12-14; Malachi4:1-3; John 1:1-28; 8:24; 12:-44-48; 14:6-9; 2Corinthians 4:3-4; Colossians1:15-20;2:9-10; Hebrews1:1-13; Revelation 1:1-19;5:1-14; 19:11-21;20:1-15;21:5-8.!!👈
Rajesh Gowda Brave Hearted nah it is not a cult book, it is the holy al-Quran maybe now you’ll be that champion and as far you’ll know it you’ll drag from it, I can’t promise you now, but you’ll be drag about that al-Quran and then you’ll understand it very much, “some day” not today or any other day but you will drag when you need to know the truths 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
Rajesh Gowda Brave Hearted if you said Jesus is your “lord” then how bout this...
John 16 : 12- 14
I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
Howbeit when he, the spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come
And this: Matthew 5:17
Do not think I have come to abolish the Law or the “Prophets”; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
Why did you call him god?? 🤔🤔🤔
@@muhammadkhairulizat The very Words of Christ and His Prophets and Apostles Refutes and dismantles all the Heretical claims of cult ISLAM.!
Unholy Quran teaches against the God of the Bible and Double Curse is pronounced on those who introduce the Counterfeit false gospel against the Immutable Eternal Words of God, the Holy Bible.!!
@@muhammadkhairulizat Promised Comforter Jesus promised to His Church is Holy Spirit whom Disciples RECEIVED On the 50th day after Christ's Glorious Resurrection,
Not after 600 Years in Saudi Arabian cave cult.!!
Muhammad was NOT a Spirit of God,
Muhammad was a pagan idolatrous arab who NEVER read the Bible, he never believed in the God of the Bible, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob/Israel.!! Muhammad was worshipper of pagan idolatrous false moon god also known as Baal, Hubal, whom Muhammad named Allah and
Satan possessed Muhammad and used him to fabricate his death cult and leading all his followers to Eternal Damnation.!
Although I looked to a lot of Christians trying to explain the trinity, As a human being who have mind to think, I still couldn’t understand their logic at all!
It’s always confusing and illogical.
1 -who is the One whose able to FORGIVE SINS ?
absolutely sure you will say "GOD"
Here arises a question if Jesus the Forgiver of Sins then what you will say about THE LORD JESUS ?
Who is JESUS CHRIST ( ? )
Matthew 9:6
Luke 7:48
Mark 2:10
Luke 5:24
Mark 2:5
Luke 5:20
Luke 7:48
Luke 23:43
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2 - who is the One whose able to Bring us into the paradise ?
absolutely sure you will say "GOD"
Here arises a question if Jesus is able to bring us into paradise then what you will say about THE LORD JESUS ?
Who is JESUS CHRIST ( ? )
Jesus answered him, "Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise."
( Luke 23:43 )
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3 - who is the One whose Greater Than the temple ?
absolutely sure THE GOD is Greater Than the temple .
Here arises a question if Jesus is Greater than the temple then what you will say about THE LORD JESUS ?
Who is JESUS CHRIST ( ? )
But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
Matthew 12:6
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4 - who is the One whose able to give eternal life ?
absolutely sure you will say "GOD"
Here arises a question if Jesus is able to give us eternal life then what you will say about THE LORD JESUS ?
Who is JESUS CHRIST ( ? )
YES it's ME JESUS WHO gives not only life but eternal life
John 10:28
Revelation 2:10
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5 - who is the One whose have All power in the Heaven and in the Earth ?
absolutely sure you will say "GOD"
Here arises a question if Jesus have All power in heaven and in earth then what you will say about THE LORD JESUS ?
Who is JESUS CHRIST ( ? )
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Matthew 28:18
Revelation 1:5
Revelation 17:14
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6 - Who is the One whose capable to know our hearts and minds ?
absolutely sure you will say "GOD"
Here arises a question if Jesus knows our hearts and minds then what you will say about THE LORD JESUS ?
Who is JESUS CHRIST ( ? )
I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds.
Revelation 2:23
Matthew 9:4
I know thy works
Revelation 3:8
Revelation 3:15
Matthew 24:25
Matthew 9:21:22
Luke 5:22
Luke 6:8
Luke 7:39-40
Luke 9:47
Luke 11:17
John 6:6
Acts 1:24.
John 2:24-25
Jeremiah 17:10
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7 - Who is the One whose able to Judge the mankind ?
absolutely sure you will say "GOD"
Here arises a question if Jesus is JUDGE of mankind then what you will say about THE LORD JESUS ?
Who is JESUS CHRIST ( ? )
All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.
Matthew 25:31-34
John 5:22
John 5:27
Revelation 22:12
Volume 4, Book 55, Number 657:
Volume 4, Book 55, Number 658:
Sahih Bukhari Volume 3, Book 34, Number 425:
Sahih Bukhari Volume 3, Book 43, Number 656: .
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8- Who is the One whose able to give POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT ?
absolutely sure you will say "GOD"
Here arises a question if Jesus is able to give POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT then what you will say about THE LORD JESUS ?
Who is JESUS CHRIST ( ? )
THE LORD JESUS "breathed" on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit.
John 20:22
Luke 21:15
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9- Who is the One whose able to give the reward each person according to what they have done ?
absolutely sure you will say "GOD"
Here arises a question if Jesus is able to give the reward each person according to what they have done then what you will say about THE LORD JESUS ?
Who is JESUS CHRIST ( ? )
Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done.
Revelation 22:12
Matthew 25:31-45
Jeremiah 17:10
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10- Who is the One whose capable to listening our prayers ?
absolutely sure you will say "GOD"
Here arises a question if Jesus is listening our prayers then what you will say about THE LORD JESUS ?
Who is JESUS CHRIST ( ? )
YOU MAY ASK ME.
FOR ANYTHING IN MY NAME,
AND
I WILL DO IT .
John 14:14
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11- Who is the One whose able to destroy both soul and body in hell ?
absolutely sure you will say "GOD"
Here arises a question if Jesus have authority to destroy both soul and body in hell then what you will say about THE LORD JESUS ?
Who is JESUS CHRIST ( ? )
O JESUS don't send us into hell we know you have the keys of hell and of death.
Luke 8:31
Matthew 10:28
Revelation 1:18
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12 - Who is the One whose created All things ?
absolutely sure you will say "GOD"
Here arises a question if All things created by Jesus then what you will say about THE LORD JESUS ?
Who is JESUS CHRIST ( ? )
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
John 1:3
And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
Hebrews 1:10
Matthew 13:37-43
Hebrews 1:2
no need JESUS to say : " I am God," because he already is.
If you don't believe Just read and Look His "WORK ,"
To me is perfectly logical and balanced. I say that as a human being to.
Very easy, look at the water it can be in 3 states; solid as ice, liquid as tap water or gazified state as vapour and in all of these 3 statuses water does not become some other substance it is allways water even if it has 3 different personalities in the same nature, so why God cannot be similar or bigger than his own creation.
and we should believe muhamad?
@@amithatbadtoyou178 .
You should believe in God himself. The God of Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and Mohammad and all the prophets peace be upon them all. That’s what prophet Mohammad preach: to worship the only true God.
The Son of Man first appeared in Ezekiel and is cited 93 times.
The Son of Man in Ezekiel has many parallels to the Son of Man in the New Testament.
Actually, God calls Ezekiel SON OF MAN. Jesus calls HIMSELF the SON OF MAN. This to identify with the chosen son of God at Daniel 7:13,14.
There is a big difference.
@@tongakhan230 exactly, Yahushua calls Himself son of man coming in the clouds of heaven. There is a difference without doubt.
The son of man is not an idiom for God but an idiom for man.
@@tongakhan230 Of course! However Paul said Jesus "became exactly like all of us ( as human beings) except he was free from sin" ( See Heb 4:15) thus its is quite appropitae to call both Ezekiel & th Messiah, 'Son of Man'!
@@kiwihans100 : That is correct! However, Ezekiel was addressed BY God as Son of Man.
Ezekiel 3:17 “Son of man, I have appointed you as a watchman to the house of Israel;
Jesus uses the term on HIMSELF.
(Matthew 20:28) Just as the Son of man came, not to be ministered to, but to minister and to give his life as a ransom in exchange for many.”
Jesus identifies himself with the chosen angel in the Daniel 7:13 vision prophecy.
Just saw his November 2021 webinar on this topic yesterday. It was really well done, and it was pretty amusing for me to watch as someone who already has more of an Arian view of Jesus.
Hi how you doing there my friend can you justify biblically your Arian interview of who Jesus is..
Kindly add subtitles to this channel including Urdu.
Thanks
"Christianity started out in Palestine as a fellowship; it moved to Greece and became a philosophy; it moved to Italy and became an institution; it moved to Europe and became a culture; it came to America and became an enterprise." Sam Pascoe
Nicely worded
😂
It's a scholar's job to be neutral and scrutinise and criticise every part of his/her study/research item. If one adopts bias, or researches through a single lens instead of many, then that research and it's conclusions become unreliable. Such is the work of the younger guy without the glasses.
Well said.
Everybody has some bias though… and even if we do our best, it’s not clear if we’re capable of 100% removing it.
Also, if you ever try to prove some theory, you pretty much have to resort to biased thinking for the time that you’re proving it…
That’s definitely Bart he’s a liar
When Jesus walked up to his disciples and on the water he's said,
Mark 6:50."because they all saw him and were terrified. Immediately he spoke to them and said, “Take courage! It is I. Don’t be afraid.”
New International Version
Some translations say,
" They were all terrified when they saw him. But Jesus spoke to them at once. “Don’t be afraid,” he said. “Take courage! I am here!"
New Living Translation
He's not saying I'm God Almighty in Mark 6:50.
He's just reassuring his disciples.
Basically saying, it's me Jesus'
Absolutely nothing to do with a claim to be God.
He had the view he considered Jesus to be divine, John did just what you are describing.
There was a large movement of people from that time period that believed he was God because of the great miracles He performed. It's clear from antiquity He did things no one had ever seen. Jewish leaders wanted to kill Him because so many thought He was God, they were convinced. He didn't need to say it even though He did in other verses implicitly. If we take the microscope back from each individual verse and look at the 100 years after He died and hundreds of years after that, its clear, people believed Him to be God for MANY good reasons....
@@miracleOfLights
Look at John 12:9 - 11.
'Meanwhile a large crowd of Jews found out that Jesus was there and came, not only because of him but also to see Lazarus, whom he had raised from the dead.
10 So the chief priests made plans to kill Lazarus as well, 11 for on account of him many of the Jews were going over to Jesus and believing in him."
NIV
They were 'believing in him..'
Not as God, but as the Messiah.
As the context clearly shows.
I agree he performed great miracles.
But miracles were a sign from God that this man had his full support and blessings.
In the work he was doing.
The cheif priests were interested in killing two men whom they saw as a threat to their power.
No first century Jewish people would ever think a man was God.
The trinity is a much later development.
@@billyroland2758 dude, you are very oblivious to biblical theology, the biblical text and the greek manuscripts. basically the entire New Testament from the oldest manuscripts, directly and indirectly, poetically, theologically and literally, points out that Jesus is God. Just undertanding the basics of Jesus teachings, you will know that all the basis of what he said points to him.
@@ArthurAgamenon_
In your comment.
You didn't supply any Biblical references.
It's as if you're suggesting,
I should accept what you say, because you say so.
You presented not one fact to support your conclusions.
Now here's something for you to think about.
Read Luke 18: 18,19.
Who was Jesus contrasting himself with at Luke 18 :19?
I would be most grateful if you would answer the question.
It is interesting to hear how how squirrelly Williams is about whether mark is the first gospel..... he agrees that John is later... and most people think it is clear that Matthew and Luke used Mark... there are no instances where mark relies upon Matthew and Luke... which therefor have to be later than mark.
Short answer: no
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that *I am he* , ye shall die in your sins. (John 8,24)
@@fsdfmsbcxx doesn't MEAN anything., "BELIEVE THAT IM HE" who a MASSANGER,A GOD OR THE SON OF GOD?DO U SEE "if u don't believe that I GOD than U shall dia in UR SINS"?
MORE LIKE A MASSANGER THAN A GOD.
@@thatscute8035 Oh, it means A LOT. There's only one in the Old Testament who called himself "I AM", and that's God. And the Jews understood very well what Jesus meant when he said: "Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, *I am* . (John 8,58 / KJV)
@@fsdfmsbcxx REALLY, how do u know that HE MEANT that he was A MASSANGER, rather than A God? He could've meant that I AM A MASSANGER.
And the verse that u pulled on ME to prove me wrong it actually proves ME RIGHT than it dose U😂
"Verily, verily,I say unto U, before Abraham was, I am?
Abraham was a prophet RIGHT,
So why would he say that before Abraham WAS I AM?make sense RIGHT.
MORE LIKE A MASSANGER THAN A GOD.
@AllGTG love UR ANSWERS 👌,
and I will answer them to U
But first U need to tell me HOW many Bibles are there.?
Which one is authentic?
Which one are U supporting.?
How many people wrote the Bible?.
Can u trust them?.
Do u know them?.
And why did ur god didn't stop those who where trying to kill him, while he saved other Prophets from people who wanted to kill them (I can give U examples if U want to)
And do U think THE Bible has been changed overtime.?
And if yes than why didn't ur god stopped them?
A very exciting and civil debate on an important issue by two knowledgeable individuals. Much better than most current political debateswhich are talking points with no sources and I got cha moments.
Your views on abortion make me sick you monster! Fuck off you asshole!
Didn't want you to get too comfortably, this is still a social media site.
Me as Muslim I love Juses so much and Mary May peace be upon them and I love the chapter of Mary in Quran it’s beautiful and beautiful how Jesus spoke when he was still infant to defend his mum ❤️
We believe in Jesus as the messiah and a great prophet may peace be upon him ❤️
Can you show us the Injil given to Isa Almasih when Isa was still infant? Where is the Injil now? What is the context of the Injil?
I am doubt the teaching of Quran is historically correct. As Bart Erhman said, he does not want to waste his valuable life by scrutinizing Quran. Quran is ahistorical, cannot be verified, fabricated.
@@warakahbinnauval1016
The Injil is already lost and you cannot find the original because it was only sent to a particular group of people for a period of time but the story was revealed to Prophet Muhammad ﷺ in the Qur'an and this is the Last and Final testament protected by God and it will remain pure uncorrupted until the end of time. Easà (Jesus) pbuh of course was a man now the story was mentioned in the Qur'an to let us know what really happened to him and to his mother from the wrong accusations made by some group of people telling that Maryam was a prostitute and calling Jesus pbuh a bastard a udho billa may Allah protect them as Muslim we love them and respect them.
I invite you to study the Qur'an and make your own investigation about it ask questions from the true scholars of Islam and i promise you that this is the truth. I am a former Catholic embraced Islam 13 years ago.
ARE YOU IDIOT, WHY DO I HAVE TO ASK A MUSLIM SCHOLAR ABOUT THIS? I CAN LEARN IT BY MY SELF. WE CAN OPEN QURAN BY MYSELF. THIS IS AN INTERNET ERA!
NOW, READ QS MARYAM 29-30.
READ! READ CAREFULLY!
THE “KITAB” (INJIL) WAS GIVEN TO THE BABY. THE KITAB (BOOK) WAS GIVEN TO THE BABY.! READ IT AGAIN.
THE BOOK (KITAB) WAS GIVEN TO THE SPEAKING BABY.
NOW, WHERE IS THE BOOK (INJIL)?
DO YOU BELIEVE A BABY WAS GIVEN A BOOK (INJIL)?
YOU WERE A CATHOLIC? STUPID CATHOLIC YES.
JESUS IS NOT ISA ALMASIH IN QURAN.
ISA ALMASIH IS NOT JESUS CHRIST IN INJIL.
THEY ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. DIFFERENT PERSONS. DONT MAKE PEOPLE STUPID!
Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles [Isaiah 42:1],
Let the wilderness and its towns raise their voices;
let the settlements where Kedar lives rejoice.
Let the people of Sela sing for joy;
let them shout from the mountaintops.[Isaiah 42:11]
Where is Sela located.. anyone can help?
Medina
John 17:3 ?
It's Es-Sela or Petra in Jordan.
SneezyStudios it’s not Bcos kedar lived in Arabia
@@lolok7999 Where Kedar lived is the Syriac Arabian desert, too north for Medina. It's near Jericho
I would like to read the Gospel Of Jesus. Do you have it?
Luke Chapter 4:
17 And the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was given to him. He unrolled the scroll and found the place where it was written,
18 “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me,
because he has anointed me
to proclaim good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives
and recovering of sight to the blind,
to set at liberty those who are oppressed,
19 to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor.”
20 And he rolled up the scroll and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all in the synagogue were fixed on him. 21 And he began to say to them, “Today this Scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing.
This is Jesus's gospel. That He is the Messiah that He is the savior
@Irish Lad nowhere
@@vijaykumaruba it's not his damn gospel, when was it written anyway?
@@abhmd4481 do you really know what you are asking. can you elaborate what you are asking. any ignorant person can question any proven truth the same way. So that our comments here can lead to truth, please elaborate your question. what is it that you want to know?
@ಸಂತೋಷ್ ಕುಮಾರ್ Dear Santosh, I assume that you are honestly looking for answers and I would want to understand your question better. can you please elaborate about the lying part you mentioned at the end. I need to know what lie do you see, to respond you.
If you are saying why Jesus said those words on cross(Matt 27:46/ Mark 15:34) when he said Father always listens to him in John 11:41. Hear me:
I see Gods plan unfold for us and Jesus is honest to the solution Him, Father and Holy Spirit came up with, for us. Hear me and give some thought to it.
I see that either one thing should happen to and for us to join God in heaven:
1. we need to be sinless and righteous as God is Good and Righteous, this is not happening as all of us are drenched in evil and darkness( Proud, hateful/unforgiving fellow brothers, lying and desires reaching the bottom of hell) Not one human is sinfree.
2. Or we make an attempt to reach God in our current condition i.e. the condition we are in as explained above. in our condition we should be extinguished, like the darkness is driven out in presence of light.
But God is Love. He walked an extra mile towards us. I.e. Jesus as son of man. Though he is almighty and everlasting, he humbled himself to the fathers will. He came to us in our form that we can reach him with our sin. If we believe him and commit ourselves to him, we live as he preached us to do. And the darkness inside us will be washed away with his death and resurrection. we fear no death as we always live with him. we live to serve him, we serve him by treating fellow men like ourselves.
Now since Jesus decided to come to us and lay down his life, he did it in full honesty(obviously as he is God and he is Good and all honesty came from him). His flesh and pain is as real as you would. Our God cried out in pain bore the excruciating pain and death for our sins so we can reach him once forever in his resurrection.
Psalms 22, its cry of David and some of these words are used by Jesus on Cross.
The Psalm is David's Cry to God in the first few verses and if you continue to read you could see David says God does always answer as he has been doing to since Abraham and praise worships and thank God towards the end of the chapter. This is a very special Psalm in that David in his suffering was able to prophecy the Suffering of Christ.
I would like to include you in my prayers. Trust God he always takes care of his sheep and his sheep will hear him.
Very good debate.
Luke 6 12
One of those days Jesus went out to a mountainside to pray, and spent the night praying to God.
Ex Christian and Muslim Alhamdulillah ☝
Interestingly, θεου at the end is a genitive; so it might be translated ‘with God’ or ‘of God’.
@@davethebrahman9870 And that's why he became muslim the legend says...
Very bad choice, you should come back to God! I’m a Unitarian Christian. Muhammad was a false prophet there’s a lot of proof out there
He left good religion ☯️ and join organization? 🤦🏿♀️
@@davethebrahman9870 lmao, so the translation would be "... Spent the night praying of God" How does this even make sense?
10:40
what a moment!!!!!!!
Both agree that Jesus never said, he is God
Kile **The issue is; what did the “historical” Jesus say about himself?**
I’ve noticed your scripture cut and paste elsewhere but you seem to miss that point. For starters it’s not the “historical” Jesus speaking in the books of Revelation, Romans, Isiah, etc so there’s no need to include those. We should only be focusing on the 4 Gospels as they are supposedly the direct accounts of Jesus.
Erhman argues that John was written much later and that it is in that Jesus started claiming he was God. So as a historian, he’s not convinced that the historical Jesus said such things. The other books like Mark were written much earlier and would be closer to time the historical Jesus is said to have lived...thus, they would be much higher probability of an accurate retelling of the account of Jesus.
So the intellectually honest scholarship agree that the historical Jesus never claimed to be God and that it were later writers that added that in. That’s why at 10:40 Williams reluctantly agreed that Jesus never claimed to be God in the earlier written books and Aram is right in pointing that out.
Kile If only Erhman was as smart, learned and wise as you and didn’t rely on his “limited” knowledge....
Oh wait, he understand Ancient Greek and looks at things in an objective and academic way. So given his academic background, evidence and arguments, I’d take his word about the New Testament over some random bloke on RUclips quoting scriptures at me.
I use to be a Christian, now an agnostic atheist, until I realized the scriptures have questionable beginnings and are contradictory at best; immoral and presents a god not worthy of worship at worst. Feel free to hold on to your beliefs and scriptures all you want, but it doesn’t hold up to scrutiny and regurgitating them at me means nothing. And also claim that they are “inspired” by a god or gods, but I have no reason to believe there is a god or gods to begin with. And it’s funny that you go right back to John, which was the last gospel to be written with all of its embellishments and 2 Timothy which was NOT written by Paul.
Cheers.
PS, I’m familiar with people like John Lennox, little Billy Craig, and many others, so no need to drag their asses into the conversation.
Kile Thanks for showing some theists live in fear of a god who would send his creations to hell. Not worthy of worship...
Kile There you go again, throwing out scriptures....does nothing for me. But since you brought it up and are such an amazing theologian; who wrote 2 Peter?
Kile You also use the a Book of Revelation...
Revelation 1:3 ends “...for the time is at hand” KJV
Revelation was written almost 2,000 years ago...is the time STILL at hand? Has the time been at hand for 2,000 years?
9:53 Even if you get rid of the Gospels we still have the creed citations from Paul. which (following Bart's Chronology) would come long before Mark and back to the very beginning of the ancient Church.
But Paul never actually met jesus in the flesh ?!
Debatable! But even if he never did, he got the creeds that were passed down to him for the Jerusalem apostles i.e Jesus's disciples. That by definition constitutes the earliest form of Christology.
In other words, Jesus's disciples believed that he was divined from the very beginning.
@@joelrodriguez1232 it's not debatable at all it says in bible, have you even read it ??
@@deanodog3667 according to Galatians and the book of acts, Paul persecuted the Church.
The question is did he do it while Jesus was alive or after?
So you are right. Paul never met him.
But he may or may not have seen him which is a different thing.
@@joelrodriguez1232 so upon basis it could be argued that Paul's epistles influenced the gospels as they're earliest testimony of jesus and based upon accounts of a man who never actually met jesus?!
Big difference between these two: Bart’s arguments are based solely on things anyone can study about the text and he doesn’t sprinkle in any of his personal bias. The other guys arguments seem to be dependent on his subjective interpretation of what some passages mean. Perfect example was the point he tried to make about Jesus saying “I am” in Mark and then Bart pointing out other instances where different people said that, giving it more scholarly context
Could the reason be for your conclusion that you're biased?
I mean I will admit we all have biases but the question is are they logical or not.... having bias doesn't necessarily mean that your argument is invalid it's just a question are you right or are you wrong... cuz you're either right or wrong... and also argument from Authority is fallacious... gravity doesn't stop working for a person just because they're not a physicist.
.. so with that said let's get to it.
And if we just take mark, then still.. Jesus clearly did claim to be God, in the things he did.. and not only in what he said.... in the gospel of Mark 6:45 it comes about that Jesus walks on the water and in the Old Testament this is something that only God could do...Job 9 verse 8.... this separates him from other miracle workers in Jewish history,
Also we can take the entire chapter of Mark 2... in that chapter we have Jesus forgiving sins and no Messianic claimants (in Judaism one could only claim to be Messiah if you Were a son of David the king).. in Jewish history ever claim to forgive sins... and no one having half a brain and knowing what they're saying would ever dare claim to forgive sins, not even on accident.
... in Mark chapter 2 the very same chapter before Jesus heals the palsy there's a person in the crowd who doubts and Jesus answered him and in answering him he Associated himself with the title "son of man" he does this several times in all of the synoptic Gospels and I think and John as well but the title "son of man" was a Messianic title.. taken from Daniel 7:13.. the context of that verses is 9 through 14... and Daniel 13 says this".. "and Jesus said...I am and you shall see the son of man sitting on the right hand of power and coming in the Clouds Of Heaven"... in order to further understand this you need to know that there's precedent for this in the Old Testament so in the Old Testament God rides the clouds Deuteronomy 33 chapter 26, Psalm 68 verse 4, Isaiah 19 verse 1.... and at first if you read these Old Testament passages that I provided then it makes Daniel chapter 7 passage a head-scratcher which leads to the implication of Jesus quoting it while he was in court and explains why the high priest tore his robes and reacted the way he did.
Nextpoint the interpretation of the title "son of man" might be taken literally as "just a mortal man" I'm not saying , at first glance, the Temptation is not there to interpret it that way, but if we look at the high priests reaction to Jesus saying what he says in Mark 14:62 ..in the next verse ,then we will clearly see that their interpretation of what the title "Son Of Man" Meant is different from our interpretation which lets us know that we're putting our cultural context on to the text while not realizing that the Bible comes to us from cultures that thought extremely differently from us.
Jesus is the only Messianic claimant who fulfilled Isaiah 53... he was also born in Bethlehem of Judea just like the Old Testament scripture said he would be... the verse that I'm referring to is Micah 5 chapter 2... and if you continue to read that verse then you will clearly see further implication there, as in this verse was meant for where the Messiah would be born, and if you continue to read the verse then you will see that only God can fill the role of Messiah.
At the end of The Book of Malachi it was said that someone coming in the power of Elijah (another Old Testament prophet) and was going to come before the Messiah did, getting people ready for his coming into the world..... another verse in the Old Testament in Isaiah the verse is 40:3 "the voice of him that crieth in the wilderness prepare ye the way of the Lord make straight in the desert a pathway for our God"
The gospel writer of Mark in the very beginning of the Gospel makes mention of this verse of John the Baptist before Jesus ministry starts... by the gospel writers admission John the Baptist was the one who Malachi spoke of.. John the Baptist said of Jesus..in the first chapter "7and preached, saying, there comes one mightier than I after me the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose verse 8 the next verse says indeed I have baptize you with water but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost"
... so then we also have an admonition from John the Baptist that Jesus is God.
... we also have an epistle in the Bible of Jesus brother James...
.. God bless you I hope you stay safe out there..
@@enoch3874
"having bias doesn't necessarily mean that your argument is invalid"
If someone's biased narrative is true by accident, it's usually confirmed via a unbiased evidence. But more often than not, biased conclusions aren;t quite correct.
Except when Jesus said that, the Pharisees wanted to stone Jesus IIRC...often when Jesus says something that modern scholars try to miscategorize, the pharisees come to our rescue by how they react.
You are assuming that Ehrman himself has no bias. Your argument about the "I am" being interpreted differently could also apply to Ehrman, especially since he has shown himself to be hostile towards religion and especially Christian orthodoxy.
@@rodrigorivers2469
"He doesn't sprinkle in his personal bias"
This means Ehrman very well might have bias, but he does follow the evidence first.
That's quite a contrast to the Christian for whom bias comes first, and evidence is an afterthought.
I recently joined Dr. Ehrman's blog. I find him to be very interesting.
Body language alone, Ehrman is very relaxed, confident, and nonchalant, and Peter looks and sounds like someone having a panic attack that their sweater is being quickly unraveled.
@Ryker Marcelo be quiet scammer.
@Ryker Marcelo Hey Ryker, seeing as you posted here I wondered do you know Jesus?
@@blindcuckoo6680 💪🏼
Ten Ton Nuke It is pretty silly for two men to be sitting down talking about something that may or may have happened thousands and thousands of years ago. In actual fact who cares one way or the other? It doesn´t alter my life one bit whether there even is some sort of God or not.
@@timward3142 Hi of course we can go about our daily lives as if there is no God. However, when we die, if there is a God it will matter, a lot.
Jesus' death is as important today as it was 2000 years ago, not because its a nice story, but because it is a historical fact that he lived and was crucified and is attested not just by Christian writers at the time and shortly after, but also Jewish and Roman writers who had nothing to gain from this.
If you don't want to look into that, ask yourself how the big bang happened, what caused it, where the energy came from; where our moral law comes from if we are just here by chance, oh and how life came to be. I can highly recommend a book "I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist" if you want to challenge these things.
God is not the author of confusion. This is pure confusion...
@Melanin Warrior explain how God is born? If your is comes to this world like any other human being he is not the creator.. He was created. You say he created himself through the means of which ordinary human beings go through. We call God self sustaining yet he ate food. That's not self sustaining. He prayed. To who? Himself? And again there is not a single verse in the Bible Jesus ever ever call himself the Creator of all things. Conversely he said "the father is greater than I". Don't spin the words to make them fit. The trinity didn't exist until centuries after the departure of the Messiah yet you claim a triune God.. There are over 5000 different versions of the New Testament so please use all of them to prove that Jesus claimed godship.
@@dronestar1118
So where were those middle eastern gods when homo sapiens still lived with Neanderthals, denisovans and possibly other undiscovered hominid species hundreds of thousands of years ago way before any middle eastern civilizations started to exist? It's so bloody obvious on who created who if you understand the reality that's explainable with all kind of science.
If god created the world... Well he would have 😃
O G the Hebrews that wrote the OT didn’t believe In the devil or hell. Those were later ideas, as a result of Hellenism.
I prayed on this matter because I know what the 10 commandments say. My prayer led me to Matthew where he asked his disciples who do you say I am ? He recieved many answers ,but it was Peter who gave him the correct answer.
Matthew 16 : 15-20
In Mark 6:50 it is fairly obvious that the translation of εγω ειμι ιs ‘It’s me!´ Τhere is an implied predicate.
You can never mention "I and the father are one" without the second statement "The father is greater than me". What is being discribed is the relation of the part to the whole, as a twig could say: the tree and I are one and the tree is bigger than me. Or as the dream-self could say: I and the creator of the dream are one, but the waking consciousness is greater than me. If the world is a divine dream in god, Jesus was a lucid dreamer.
That is the deeper philosophical discourse in the Bible, and Greek philosophy, but many don’t understand that. Parmenides held that the multiplicity of existing things, their changing forms and motion, are an appearance of a single eternal reality (“Being”), giving rise to the Parmenidean principle that “all is one.” From this concept of Being, he went on to say that all claims of change or of non-Being are illogical.
Parmenides was influential of Plato, Heraclitus, and others who directly informed early Christology.
I am not saying that Parmenides was the only argument considered in Christianity, but I am saying all the discourse of the nature of Jesus in early Christianity was a question of ontological philosophy which was all over the ancient world. Eventually one spliced together version became orthodoxy.
But the problem with modern people, is they tend not to understand what ontological philosophy was and how it was discussed. Nor what „faith“ was. Faith was a conclusion of a particular ontology particular understanding of „being“.
GOD is beyond our understanding of humility because of the pride made manifest in the world; GOD isnt going to claim to be almighty when HE’s flesh;
“GOD is a spirit”- John 4:24; “the body without the spirit is dead” - James 2:26; taking these scriptures into consideration, what good is the body of CHRIST (the promised vessel) without the Holy SPIRIT?
But we are also one with the father which is no different than what he said. How dare you say Jesus was a “lucid dreamer”! That’s horrible!
Poor Peter Williams was definitely outclassed. He should learn to present arguments rationally.
lol How so?
correct because Peter Williams could not able to produce facts to support his arguments and any way jesus never claim he was son of god
@@rahmanrais8708 Wrong.
Jesus says that He is the Son of God:
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***John 6:32-40 Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, Moses did not give you the bread from heaven, but My Father gives you the true bread from heaven. For the bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”
Then they said to Him, “Lord, give us this bread always.”
And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst. But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe. All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
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***John 2:13-17 13 Now the Passover of the Jews was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. And He found in the temple those who sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the money changers doing business. When He had made a whip of cords, He drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and the oxen, and poured out the changers’ money and overturned the tables. And He said to those who sold doves, “Take these things away! Do not make My Father’s house a house of merchandise!” Then His disciples remembered that it was written, “Zeal for Your house has eaten Me up.”
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***Matthew 18:10 “Take heed that you do not despise one of these little ones, for I say to you that in heaven their angels always see the face of My Father who is in heaven."
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***Matthew 18:19 “Again I say to you that if two of you agree on earth concerning anything that they ask, it will be done for them by My Father in heaven."
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***Matthew 18:35 “So My heavenly Father also will do to you if each of you, from his heart, does not forgive his brother his trespasses.”
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***Matthew 24:36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only."
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***Mark 8:37-38 "Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul? For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of him the Son of Man also will be ashamed when He comes in the glory of His Father with the holy angels.”
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***Luke 10:21-22 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in the Spirit and said, “I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and revealed them to babes. Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Your sight. All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows who the Son is except the Father, and who the Father is except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.”
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***Luke 22:41-43 And He was withdrawn from them about a stone’s throw, and He knelt down and prayed, saying, “Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done.” Then an angel appeared to Him from heaven, strengthening Him.
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***Luke 23:45-47 Then the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was torn in two. And when Jesus had cried out with a loud voice, He said, “Father, ‘into Your hands I commit My spirit.’ ” Having said this, He breathed His last.
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***Matthew 16: When Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, saying, “Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?”
So they said, “Some say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”
Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”
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***Matthew 15:13 But He answered and said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted.
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***Matthew 12:49-50 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”
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***Matthew 11:25-27 At that time Jesus answered and said, “I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and have revealed them to babes. Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Your sight. All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him."
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***Matthew 10:32-33 “Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven. But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven.
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***Matthew 7:20-22 21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven."
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***John 8:53-56 Are You greater than our father Abraham, who is dead? And the prophets are dead. Who do You make Yourself out to be?”
Jesus answered, “If I honor Myself, My honor is nothing. It is My Father who honors Me, of whom you say that He is your God. Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I say, ‘I do not know Him,’ I shall be a liar like you; but I do know Him and keep His word. Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.”
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***Matthew 28:16-20 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, to the mountain which Jesus had appointed for them. When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some doubted.
And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.
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***Matthew 22:41-45 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, 42 saying, “What do you think about the Christ? Whose Son is He?”
They said to Him, “The Son of David.”
He said to them, “How then does David in the Spirit call Him ‘Lord,’ saying:
‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand,
Till I make Your enemies Your footstool” ’?
If David then calls Him ‘Lord,’ how is He his Son?”
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***Mark 14:61 But He kept silent and answered nothing.
Again the high priest asked Him, saying to Him, “Are You the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?”
Jesus said, “I am. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.”
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Jesus says that He is God:
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***John 8:57-58 Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?”
Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
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***John 6:45-47 "It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’ Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me. Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father. Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life."
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***John 14:8-9 Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us.”
Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father."
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***John 20:26-29 And after eight days His disciples were again inside, and Thomas with them. Jesus came, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, “Peace to you!” Then He said to Thomas, “Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing.”
And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”
Jesus said to him, “Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
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***Revelation 21:5 Then He who sat on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and faithful.”
And He said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts. He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son.
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***Genesis 32:28 And He said, “Your name shall no longer be called Jacob, but Israel; for you have struggled with God and with men, and have prevailed.”
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***Zechariah 12:10
“And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn.
He's a moron who lost uhh uhhh
@@rahmanrais8708 then why was he crucified
Jesus peace be upon him said in the gospel of John ( 12:28 ) my father is great than i .
in the gospel of John ( 10:29 ) my father is great than all .
in the gospel of John (5:30 ) i can of myself do nothing as i hear i judge an my judgment is just for i seek not my will but the will of my father.
in the gospel of Mathew ( 10: 16-18 )
it is mentioned in the book of Acts ( 2:22) Jesus peace be upon him says o men of Israel lesson to this , Jesus of Nazareth , a man approved of God among to you by signs and miracles which God did by him and you are witness to it.
So how can you claim that Jesus peace be upon him claimed divinity ?
it means you are insulting God.
what kind of believe is this? when Jesus peace be upon him says clearly that he is a messenger of God But his followers event do not know who was Jesus peace be upon him .
Isaiah 9:6, John 8:58, Revalation 1:8
Good brother....if you read.the new international bible.the gospel of John chapter 1:8,,,hear Jesus himself says God....even though Muhammad don't what will happen. But Jesus know exactly who he is...it's the wonderful statements John 8:58 before Abraham was I'm...
@@ShivaKumar-jk8kj and adam before abraham too is that make him god
@@wowhub4655 no bro...Jehovah created Adam in this world only for man..but Jesus Christ only came in this world man..adam died....but Jesus dead than he resurrection...bro....who grater Adam are Jesus
@@ShivaKumar-jk8kj
“I am" (John 8:58)? “I am" is translated from Greek word “Egoi Eimi." (Greek).
A blind man says, “I am" (Egoi Eimi) (John 9:9). Is He a God?
May be you now quote Exodus 3:14 from your stupid 46 deceptive and mistranslated versions.
In the Exodus 3:14 it is not “I am." This is “Ehye Asher Ehyeh" (Hebrew). Which means “I will be, what I will be" or “to be what to be."
Before Abraham was he? Do you know about Melchizedek? He had no ends and beginning. He had no parents. He was before Abraham. Is he a God? Satan was before Adam. Is he a God.
Why Jews thrown stones? Answer in the *Matthew 26:63-66,* because he claimed to be Messiah and son of God. *John **8:59* says, your God ran away after beating.
Many people are Sons of God:
Jacob is son of God first born (Exodus 4:22).
David is begotten son of God (Psalms 2:5-7).
Adam is Son of God (Luke 3:38).
Are they Gods?
It is a matter of Sorrow, prejudice pagan Hindu being brain washed by deceiver Christian missionaries and being converted to bullshit Christianity. And also sell their selves to their money.
8:39 In the Old Testament, instances of individuals performing miracles or acts of healing are often associated with prophets or figures chosen by God. Here are a few examples:
1. **Elijah Raises the Widow's Son:**
- **Reference:** 1 Kings 17:17-24 (NIV)
- **Summary:** The prophet Elijah brings a widow's deceased son back to life through prayer and God's intervention.
2. **Elisha and Naaman's Healing:**
- **Reference:** 2 Kings 5:1-14 (NIV)
- **Summary:** Elisha instructs Naaman, a commander with leprosy, to bathe in the Jordan River seven times, resulting in his healing.
3. **Elisha Raises the Shunammite Woman's Son:**
- **Reference:** 2 Kings 4:18-37 (NIV)
- **Summary:** Elisha brings the dead son of a Shunammite woman back to life through prayer and God's intervention.
4. **Healing of Hezekiah:**
- **Reference:** 2 Kings 20:1-11 (NIV)
- **Summary:** The prophet Isaiah informs King Hezekiah that he will die, but Hezekiah prays to God, and his life is extended by 15 years.
5. **Moses and the Bronze Snake:**
- **Reference:** Numbers 21:4-9 (NIV)
- **Summary:** When the Israelites are bitten by snakes, God instructs Moses to make a bronze snake on a pole, and those who look at it are healed.
It's important to note that the concept of faith healers or disciples as seen in the New Testament, particularly in the ministry of Jesus and his followers, is not as prevalent in the Old Testament. Miraculous events are often associated with prophets or individuals directly chosen by God.
Did God make a Covenant with Esau/Amalek? Give the book, chapter, and verse(s), please.
It's a little baffling that Peter Williams doesn't seem to really handle Bart's objections very well. Perhaps Bart's just more used to arguing these matters in front of a camera.
Or Bart's points are so logical and make sense that there isn't much to refute
Or Ehrman has the evidence and can back up what he says, Williams doesn't, and can't.
@@RsZ789Actually, if you read Peter William’s books, he has a great deal of evidence for his position. And Peter’s argument was actually really good, he’s just not as smooth as Bart. And Peter’s point about the systematic presentation of Jesus’ divinity in Mark is correct. Bart is just retreading old critical ideas with little evidence.
You have to realize Bart’s stock and trade is showboating debates… that’s why one sees him to much. That’s not by itself terrible… but his act is polished and you will see he presents the same paradigm and arguments each and every time. It’s harder for a person genuinely open to debate who has to think and respond as he goes… Peter clearly is a bit of a stutterer and that doesn’t help. Both had some good give and take here. Sadly… as seen in the comments, many can’t process any of it and go buy who seemed subjectively more confident. Sadly this is always the case with debating. That’s how the masses decide - it’s all they have the capacity for.
@@dataciphernice coping strategy.
Im worried about the guy who is stuttering. He doesn't come across as too confident
all Christians shattered when a well knowledgeable person sit at front of them
Yes, because everyone knows that an argument's legitimacy is based on how confidently it was delivered.
@@rajababy2009 perfectly said!!!
@dellythezar8047. Can you tell me what John 8 42-43 means?
It means they were blind to the truth and that Jesus was not in-fact claiming to be GOD
Brilliant from Ehrman
The man with glasses seems more logical
Anwara Begum he is a renowned bible scholar
Yup..agree.
Pointless debate...never ending. No one proof go to heaven or hell yet in believing jesus or not believing to jesus as God. Better sleep🙏
He is.
P00
If humans realize that they will be asked by God about everything they say, no one will talk without certain knowledge.
Powerful
Indeed
PRAISED BE GOD JESUS CHRIST, WHO IS THE ONLY WAY TO KNOLEDGE OF GOD.
@@jati9484 that's not true man, don't say things you don't know
@@aniahammoudi9569 LOL HOW DO YOU KNOW, THAT I DO NOT KNOW AND WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE TO KNOW WHAT GOD REVEALS TO WHOOM HE WANTS TO REVEAL IT, I'M TELLING YOU TRULLY THAT JESUS CHRIST IS THE ALL MIGHTY GOD AND THERE IS NO OTHER WAY BUT THRU HIM AND THE HOLLY SCRIPTURE IS IN ACORDANCE WITH THIS; LOOK John 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. SO YOU SEE NOT THRU YOUR PEDOPHILE PROPHET MOHAMMAD OR ANY OTHER PROPHET, NOT THRU HUMANITY, NOT THRU MAN'S HYPOCRITICAL KINDESS OR ANY OTHER WAY, BUT ONLY AND ONLY THRU JESUS CHRIST, THE ALLMIGHTY GOD AND FATHER WHO CAME DOWN TO SACRIFICE HIMSELF FOR HIS CHILDERN.
"I think Mark understands Jesus to be a divine being." Bart Erhman's closing remark.
@@Josh-mh3kl Even if it was intended to be manipulative, in this case it's not even a bad thing to leave Bart saying. Bart didn't say that he (Bart) understands Jesus to be a divine being, he only says Mark understands Jesus to be a divine being, which is clearly the case. But just because Mark thinks Jesus was a divine being doesn't mean Jesus in fact was a divine being.
Mark 10.18 "only God is good" - Jesus
@@chriscuomo9334 He later says he’s the good sheperd
@@youreacuck but not good in the absolute moral sense, bc he’s not The Most High God. Good carpenter. Good shepherd. Good son. But only God is good.
That’s why Jesus also says “the Father is greater than I” which also is something that trinity theory doesn’t permit. Trinity theory requires that F and S are coequal. Jesus doesn’t think they are.
@@chriscuomo9334 i don’t think you know what trinitarian doctrine permits lol. I’m guessing you’re Muslim or Jehovahs Witness? They are co equal in Essence thats why the Word in John 1:1 is called “God". Every chapter of John portrays Jesus as God, go read John 5:18 if you think he never called himself Divine. The Father calls Jesus "God" in Hebrews 1:8.
Mathew 12:28 - Luke 7:22 and Luke 11:20
Mathew 4:7 - Mathew 4:10 - Mathew 7:21
Mathew 22:44 - Mathew 23:39 - Mark 2:28
Mark 12:35-37 etc etc etc.
What about those?
@@mrenigma1564 What is your question?
I gave scriptures which show Jesus does present as God.
@@JesusThineBeTheGlory wow ive read them they are not presenting jesus as God in any way how are you reading them ?
@@mrenigma1564 Ok for example Luke 20-23
“When the men were come unto him, they said, John Baptist hath sent us unto thee, saying, Art thou he that should come? or look we for another? And in that same hour he cured many of their infirmities and plagues, and of evil spirits; and unto many that were blind he gave sight. Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached. And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me.”
This very question was asked to Jesus and Jesus himself answered the question with examples of things God does i.e giving eyes to the blind, hearing to the deaf, cleansing of leper skin diseases etc etc.
The question of the video is, “did Jesus claim to be God?” and here’s a single example of Jesus answering this question distinctly.
Tell me how you didn’t understand this.
@@JesusThineBeTheGlory
Yet Jesus command his followers to do the very same things (see Matthew 10:8). Are they God?
On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers'" (Matthew 7:21-23
You have a quote huh, nice. So you have a book you like, and it says something....
@@eengineer1able And you have an empty quip, containing great fury, signifying nothing. Whoop-ti-doo!
Aasif, good quote, and very appropriate on this discussion. Those who cling to literal interpretations are missing everything, just as did the Pharisees in Christ's day. The Modern Pharisees are satisfied with their shallow interpretation and blithely lead their flock over the cliff of oblivion.
@@RodMartinJr Here's the meaning: Christians quote the Bible and are so used to that being a normal thing, that they don't understand the strangeness of the gesture. It's not merely a quote as one might make to add color to a reply (as you just did with Shakespeare), but rather quoted like a proverb, yet even more than that. It's quoted like a proclamation from god. It is the distinct province of a religious person to quote their book in a most profound and meaningful way while failing to notice how little regard they would give to a quote from a different religious book, or failing to conceive how odd it would be to expect non-religious people or those of other religions to give reverence, respect, or regard to it.
You see, Rod, the quote doesn't in fact speak for itself like Shakespeare. It is either the musings of a god-man, or it's complete fiction/myth/nonsense. It's a rousing quote for the initiated, but a bizarre pronouncement for all others, producing an experience equivalent to the effect a quote from the book of Mormon would have upon you (i.e. no effect).
Empathy and imagination, Rod, are what is needed and what is signified.
@@eengineer1able Yet, I have quoted Buddha and Lao Tzu on numerous occasions, so your thesis is full of holes. You make assumptions for which you have scant evidence. And Shakespeare, his allusions to the Bible are numerous and without knowledge of the source, his statements through his plays don't have nearly the meaning. For a significant percentage of the planet, a Bible quotation does speak for itself. Imagination is a good thing, if it is not blocked by *blind certainty.* Me? I have studied numerous religions, in depth, and have come to understand Buddhist paramitas and how they can apply to Genesis 1 and 2. I have even studied the reviled Scientology and gained my greatest spiritual breakthroughs from it. You see, I always question my own knowledge. Don't get "stuck" in your own. You might miss something.
Since everything we know about Jesus is literary, i.e., from the Church's New Testament canon, a more accurate question would be: Did the author of Mark, Matthew, Luke or John have his depiction of Jesus claim to be God?
Did the disciples/apostles of Acts claim that Jesus was God?
Did the authors of the Epistles consider their Messiah/Christ figure to be God?
You can look up the video "a rabbi cross examines Christianity" and other related videos on that channel.
@@masalon468
@Nota Bene
The question remains: Where in the NT canon do any of the authors (the narrators of the Gospels/Acts or the correspondents of the Epistles) have the Jesus character of the former or the Messiah/Christ figure of the latter claim to be God?
Chapter and verse . . .
@@0nlyThis In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. John.
The Word is Jesus and he is God.
@@ashishyesudas9720 Please note: The question is, "Did Jesus claim to be God?" not "Did any of the evangelists claim Jesus to be God?"
@@0nlyThis you did not specify that in your question. Just mention that in your question you wrote. Thats y i quoted you John. Thanks.
Here’s a problem with Dr Ehrman’s argumentation. In his opening presentation he explains the later “gospel material” as stemming from a changing view of Jesus among Christians, but then in his first response acknowledges that Mark saw Jesus as divine as well. So what was the change?
"According to the gospels/earliest sources/modern scholarship..." vs "I think I think I think..."
son of man, son of God > 100 times.
God, the Creator, YHVH, the Father = 0 times.
was Jesus being coy or lying, or have you been misled?
Before Abraham was I am. Gospel of John.
@Tom Bladecki the longer explanation the less reliable message. In other words Before Abraham was I am the man? For such a sentence the crowds wanted him to Stone to death? Are you serious? You must have Polish origin and I think I know Well which part of Poles. I understand that you go this way. Anyway, Keep your belief or non-belief. I do not think that the future of mankind relies on belief when deeds are Bad. And that is the message Jesus gave, no matter which confession we are, if we do harm each other, no belief will help.
Revelation 1:17-19 "When I saw Him, I fell at His feet like a dead man. But He placed His right hand on me and said, “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last, 18the Living One. I was dead, and behold, now I am alive forever and ever! And I hold the keys of Death and of Hades. 19Therefore write down the things you have seen, and the things that are, and the things that will happen after this.…" Here we have Jesus saying I am the First and the Last (Title of God throughout the whole old Testament) and then " I was dead, and behold, now I am alive forever and ever" That clearly is Jesus, so this verse clearly states that God=Jesus.
Tom Bladecki yes as Isaiah told us God would come to us as a baby born, he mighty God “el gibbor” only used for God in the OT.
As the brother stated above, read Isaiah 44:6 and compare to Revelation 1:8, 1:17-18, 22:13, 22:16.
Jesus claimed to be the first and the last, who is said to also be the Alpha and Omega, who is said to be the ALMIGHTY in revelation 1:8, earliest manuscripts say “Lord God” and I don’t even use those I use the KJV which says “Almighty”, but if you want “God” it’s right there in revelation 1:8, see ESV for example. There is no way around this, Jesus is God but He is not the Father but one WITH the Father and the Spirit.
@Tom Bladecki Did you read the verses stupid or are you only hurling insults because you got owned?
Exodus 3:14 “And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.” John 8:58 “Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.”
The statement is about precedence, not identity. And "I AM" is not even a proper translation. Typical "grasping at straws" apologetics.
@@gerardjayetileke4373 I shall take the evidence of my lying eyes over your opinion. Blessings.
Verily verily I don,t think that Jesus used Shakespearean phrases.
@@jackfletcher1000 It was amen, amen. Blessings.
@@jamessheffield4173 how do they not get the statement?
4 different witnesses recounting a story. If he gets 3 people at one of his seminars and ask them to write a chapter of what was said there… there will be differences but the essence will be Crystal clear.
What is ”Q” that Bart mentions? I missed that somewhere.
Are you inquiring on the use of the term(Q), or the artifact itself?
@@SmalltimR the artifact
"Q" is an alleged common source used by the authors of the first three gospels. The name "Q" is short for the German word for source "Quelle".
One thing is clear Jesus never said I am one of the triune god, god fully human and that you should/can worship me.
It’s good that all of you are looking for truth - may god bless you all and guide you!
Actions speak louder than words
@@immanueljijib3878
Jesus did miracles with the permission of God(Heavenly Father) and said so. He also worshipped God (Heavenly Father).
There is a belief that Jesus worshipped and prayed to God because he was in human form and body on earth.
May we all be guided by God!
The truth of the matter is over 90% of the world today believes in and reveres Jesus Christ and follows or tries to follow the law of Deuteronomy and Leviticus and majority of teachings of Jesus Christ, including Muslims!
I and the Father are one. John 10:30
Before Abraham was I AM. John 8:58
@@anthonyhulse1248
John 10:30-
Per the verse Jesus uses the "neuter" form of the Greek word for "one" here, right? implying that they are "unity." Rather than saying that Jesus and God are the same person?
John 8:58-
Per the verse the ‘am’ is not capitalized? And needless to say I would believe that Jesus existed before Abraham, and everything that if Jesus said so - needless to say, I/we are nothing before the glory of Jesus for sure!
One thing to think about is that Jesus Christ was charged for claiming to be Messiah(and so the King of the Jews), and not charged for claiming to be God as in Matt 26:63. Had he claimed to be God then he will be the King of all, including the Gentiles, then Pontius Pilate would have tried for treason or something under his law himself and not talked to the Jews about the punishment that should be meted to him!
Matthew 26:63
King James Version
“63 But Jesus held his peace, And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.”
Matthew 26:64
New King James Version
Jesus said to him, “It is as you said. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.”
Note: I am not sure if these translations are accurate though as my internet has been hacked lately, so knowing this it won’t be good for me to comment on this going forward!
There is a different explanation that is supported by better evidence: the Jews picked up stones to kill Jesus because they understood he was claiming to be the Messiah. At Jesus’ trial, the High Priest asked, “I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Christ” (Matt. 26:63). First of all, we should notice that no one at the trial asked Jesus if he were God. However, if they thought he had been claiming to be God, that would have certainly been a question they would have asked but such is never recorded anywhere.
But Jesus never said "I am the just the islamic prophet of Allah. Christians falsely idolize me."
When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the SON OF MAN is?”
14 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
15 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”
16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not REVEALED to you by FLESH and BLOOD, but by my Father in heaven
they said he said
Amen to that, God has sons by the tons in the old testament, Adam is THE SON OF GOD in the old testament. Moses is called GOD by God himself.
Son if we interpret it through expressions from jewish belief at the time means prophet.
Scroptures are so clear.2corinthians 4 :4.sayan blinds the minds.....
@@TH3-ON3 you reading the wrong bible
3:15 is refering to the 82:6 psalm.
But Ehrman neglects to add what Jesus said when they were going to stone him:
Jesus answered them, "'Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods” ’?
Ehrman implies that Jesus said he is the "only" son of god. - Later in the discussion we find that other Jewish healers cure the blind , therefore proving jesus is not the 'only' son of god. It is quite clear that jesus implied that everyone was a son of god
In my view The Gospel os John contains the esoteric teachings of Jesus, which he taught to his disciples. Whereas Mark & Luke contains the exoteric teachings given to the masses.
The lateness of the Gospel of John is debateable anyway.
***John 10:34-36 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods” ’? If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?
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"I am the Son of God."
The.
Not a son.
The Son.
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***Matthew 16:15-17 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”
Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.
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Jesus confirms that He is the Son of God.
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***Luke 22:70
Then they all said, “Are You then the Son of God?” So He said to them, “You rightly say that I am.”
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Jesus again confirms that He is the Son of God.
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And in case you had any doubts:
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***John 3:16
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
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Many are called sons of God. But Jesus was the only begotten Son of God.
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Ehrman made the claim that prophets and faith healers could heal the blind, but then he couldn't back it up. When asked where in the Bible did anyone other than God heal the blind, he said "I don't know any." So Eherman lied.
@@johnmark6628 I speak Lucian Greek< i know what I said
Maybe not everyone is a son of God, but that there is a divine realm of beings that are apart of the unseen world and have free will and do Gods bidding. Psalms 82 was most likely a reference to that cohort of beings. Look up the Divine Council idea based on Psalms 82
@@jaustin2737 maybe, because platonism did influence christianity by the time John was written
Apostle John was able to write a much deeper spiritual revelation and understanding because he wrote his gospel or testimony after receiving the power of God’s spirit (pentecost)
“But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.” This parable is in Matthew, Mark and Luke and it is clear that Jesus is referring to himself as the heir/son.
Obviously,, he was the heir as other prophet are called Son of God like adam, david etc... Every righteous person inherit kingdom of God..
These things are far from making him God... God is far superior then these petty things..
@@hashmihere6379 Read the whole parable. The messengers that come before the Son of the Owner of the vineyard symbolise the prophets. The Son of the Owner of the vineyard is ofcourse Jesus, the Son of God
@My name is Vegeta Big mac Im smart you’re the only clown, because what you say is a joke. Adam was made by God directly, but he is only human. Jesus was born of a virgin and He claimed to be the Son of God. As He rose from the dead I will take His word above any other!
Yes
Really enjoying Bart lately
Matthew 11:27
All things have been handed over to me by my Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him
God doesn’t have anything handed over to Him. He already owns everything from eternity past. So thanks for proving 100% that Jesus is NOT God 👍🏼
In the response Peter completely ignores the point Bart made tbf. He tries to argue that in the earlier gospels you do see signs, but doesn't address the difference in how Jesus is portrayed in the different gospels.
Mark does allude to Jesus claiming to be God though. The Jews understood that only God forgives sin. He even knew what they were thinking.
Mark 2:6-7&8 "But some of the scribes were sitting there, questioning in their hearts: 7 'Why does he speak like this? He’s blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?”' Mark does make the point that Jesus claimed to be God, as the Jews rightly understood that only God forgives sin, as sin is committed against Him. Right away Jesus perceived in his spirit that they were thinking like this within themselves and said to them, “Why are you thinking these things in your hearts?"
@@emmaaudu3461 I don't see how that addresses my comments at all.
@@Fernando-ek8jp I am referring to the "signs". Because Jesus is fulfilling prophesies or "signs" spoken about this Son of Man
@@emmaaudu3461 And I didn't write about that. My comment is related to how Peter did not respond to what Bart said.
It's pretty much what you did: I raised a point, you responded with something that's not related to my point. I bring it up, you reiterate your reply without addressing what I said.
@@Fernando-ek8jp My point is Mr Peter showed how Mark eludes to how Jesus did things or signs only the Jews would attribute to God. And he did sort of address the difference, he mentioned the purpose of each gospel writer.
Interesting debate, and both debaters were courteous and didn't resort to name calling or rudeness. If we could only emulate this behavior generally in society how much better off we would be.
Debate class should be compulsory in public education.
What about offspring of vipers serpents or wolves entering among you .? ?
@@lwmaynard5180
Your comment just proves the point.
You're a prime example of why 'debate class' should be included in public education.
@@lwmaynard5180 Us: “This kind of debate is fantastic!”
L W Maynard: “I’M GONNA SAY SOMETHING CRYPTIC AS IF I’M SMART GET OWNED LOLZ”
Us: “🤦♂️”
Jesus says
I ascend to my father and your father
My God and your God
John 20:17
Bart makes a very good point. It’s clear from examining the earliest evidences that the belief in Jesus evolved from believing a man into believing a God
@White Wolf you’re basing your belief on the gospels. the gospels are corrupted. Many other gospels existed like Timothy, Barnabas and others that had different accounts but a political process picked the four that are today. Council of Nicaea 325 AD is the biggest corruption to God’s word in history. Pagan beliefs of the romans were introduced into the Bible, like trinity . Even most modern day Christians know that the Bible has changed many times. Catholics and protestants have a different number of books . Islam believes the Bible was corrupted and historical evidence verifies this.
@White Wolf Matthew 28:9
If Jesus wasnt God he wouldnt accept people worshipping him
@@TheMrpalid the gospel of thomas is literally gnostic heresy pls stop talking about things you dont even know anything about
Exactly like what happened with the greek gods.
1. Jesus’s Radical Self-Concept as the Divine Son of God. Radical critics deny that the historical Jesus thought of himself as the divine Son of God. They say that after Jesus’s death, the early church claimed that he had said these things, even though he hadn’t.
The big problem with this hypothesis is that it is inexplicable how monotheistic Jews could have attributed divinity to a man they had known, if he never claimed any such things himself. Monotheism is the heart of the Jewish religion, and it would have been blasphemous to say that a human being was God. Yet this is precisely what the earliest Christians (who were Jews) did proclaim and believe about Jesus. Such a claim must have been rooted in Jesus’s own teaching.
And in fact, the majority of scholars do believe that among the historically authentic words of Jesus-these are the words in the gospels which the Jesus Seminar would print in red-among the historically authentic words of Jesus are claims that reveal his divine self-understanding. One could give a whole lecture on this point alone; but let me focus on Jesus’s self-concept of being the unique, divine Son of God.
Jesus’s radical self-understanding is revealed, for example, in his parable of the wicked tenants of the vineyard. Even sceptical scholars admit the authenticity of this parable, since it is also found in the Gospel of Thomas, one of their favorite sources. In this parable, the owner of the vineyard sent servants to the tenants of the vineyard to collect its fruit. The vineyard symbolizes Israel, the owner is God, the tenants are the Jewish religious leaders, and the servants are prophets send by God. The tenants beat and reject the owner’s servants. Finally, the owner says, "I will send my only, beloved son. They will listen to my son." But instead, the tenants kill the son because he is the heir to the vineyard. Now what does this parable tell us about Jesus’s self-understanding? He thought of himself as God’s special son, distinct from all the prophets, God’s final messenger, and even the heir to Israel. This is no mere Jewish peasant!
Jesus’s self-concept as God’s son comes to explicit expression in Matthew 11.27: "All things have been delivered to me by my Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him." Again there is good reason to regard this as an authentic saying of the historical Jesus. It is drawn from an old source which was shared by Matthew and Luke, which scholars call the Q document. Moreover, it is unlikely the Church invented this saying because it says that the Son is unknowable-"no one knows the Son except the Father"-, but for the post-Easter church we can know the Son. So this saying is not the product of later Church theology. What does this saying tell us about Jesus’s self-concept? He thought of himself as the exclusive and absolute Son of God and the only revelation of God to mankind! Make no mistake: if Jesus wasn’t who he said he was, he was crazier than David Koresh and Jim Jones put together!
Finally, I want to consider one more saying: Jesus’s saying on the date of his second coming in Mark 13.32: "But of that day or that hour no man knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." This is an authentic saying of the historical Jesus because the later Church, which regarded Jesus as divine, would never have invented a saying ascribing limited knowledge or ignorance to Jesus. But here Jesus says he doesn’t know the time of his return. So what do we learn from this saying? It not only reveals Jesus’s consciousness of being the one Son of God, but it presents us with an ascending scale from men to the angels to the Son to the Father, a scale on which Jesus transcends any human being or angelic being. This is really incredible stuff! Yet it is what the historical Jesus believed. And this is only one facet of Jesus’s self-understanding. C. S. Lewis was right when he said,
A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic-on the level with the man who says he is a poached egg-or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was and is the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut him up for a fool, you can spit at him and kill him as a demon; or you can fall at his feet and call him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about his being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us.
If I understand correctly, the "historian" perspective is that because mark has so much in common with matthew and luke that either matthew and luke referenced mark or all 3 referenced a 4th source. It seems they have disqualified the possibility that these people bore witness to the same events and had generally the same experience?
another question I have is - if these gospels were actually referencing some other source, wouldn't that make John more likely an honest recap of the story from the actual author's perspective since it is more unique?
I find it particularly troubling this idea that if the book emphasizes certain characteristics or perspectives and that others do not, therefore this book was clearly the result of a changing/evolution of the religion, and not simply a different author explaining his own experiences the way he remembered them. Another very important and relevant detail is the time periods the stories of each gospel told. Mark, matthew, and luke cover a shorter time period (only 1 passover happens) whereas john covers the span of at least 3 years (3 passovers happen)
It seems right out of the gate Bart sets the frame as "if it isn't in matthew mark or luke it didn't happen", which does not seem like a very fair assumption or starting ground.
another interesting detail is the disagreement around 8:50. It seemed to me Peter had made the claim that Jesus was performing miracles which corresponded with god or the messiah as prophesied in the old testament, and these are more or less intentional references to demonstrate he is god. Bart then seems to say "well in other religions other prophets heal the blind" which really doesn't seem to have a bearing on Peter's point. and maybe im looking to far into it but I think Bart stutters when his unfair assumption ("jews think this.. therefore christians must too") is brought out at 9:03.
and especially around 13:40, is he really being intellectually honest here? Peter makes the point - "walking on the water and then saying 'I am' to a stranger is like calling yourself God", clearly he is making a point about referencing the burning bush right after participating in a miracle. First he compares this to when someone answers a "are you the person who .... " with "I am", which seems like a really obvious massive difference in context, then he compares it to peter who did not say/make reference to "I am". I have a very hard time thinking Bart doesnt actually get Peter's point - so why these diversion attempts?
God is one. Have a nice day🙏👍
What does that have to do with this discussion?
@@teachpeace3750
It proves Jesus is not God.
Deuteronomy 6:4.
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Agreed. 👍
God is one and Jesus is part of that one God.
@@toddstevens9667 that makes no sense
Conclusion: Jesus never said, "I am God".
That is indeed written - though Jesus also identified Himself as the prophesied Messiah and only begotten Son of GOD sent to save us.
@@johnbee1069 Nope. David is also another begotten son.
'I will announce the decree of the LORD: He said to Me (David), 'You are My Son, ... the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee." The psalmist, David (Acts 4:25),
@@zedmelor8842
That decree was not about David, but rather, the Christ who would come to earth to be anointed by GOD in baptism
@@smalltimer4370 Israel was also a begotten son of God long before David and Jesus. Exodus A-V {4:22} And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel[is] my son, [even] my firstborn:
@@zedmelor8842
Ex 4.22 was yet another prophecy relating to the coming of Christ through Israel on earth see; Hosea 11:1
In addition to this, the words 'only begotten', do not appear anywhere in that reference
"They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary" while the Messiah has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Indeed, he who associates others with Allah - Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers."
Qur'an, Al-Maida: 72
Satanic verses or gharaniq says Muhammad associates Allah with Al latta, uza and manat.😂
"And of the people is he who disputes about Allah without knowledge and follows every rebellious devil."
Quran, Al-hajj: 3
@@muhammadfuadikhwansyah8196satanic verses/ gharaniq says muhammad was busted by Muslim, because muhammad bow down to pagan idols with idols worshiper at kakbah😂 and the until now muhammadan/ abdol still kissing black stone.
"...they will mislead you from the way of Allah . They follow not except assumption, and they are not but falsifying."
Al-an'am: 116
@@muhammadfuadikhwansyah8196 Satanic verses or gharaniq says Muhammad associates Allah with Al latta, uza and manat.😂
Haven't a tonne of other writers/thinkers made these arguments over the last while, some well known, and others not as widely known. E.g. Tom Harpur in Canada.
The fact that the earliest gospel writers believe Jesus to be God but yet do not record Jesus say, " I am God," seems to indicate that they desired to get their information right rather than makeup stories to support their claims.
When jesus does miracles he becomes God...but when other moses split the red sea he is just a prophet...this is hypocrisy
@Delon Duvenage who told you he died?😆
@Delon Duvenage Did those two thieves crucified along Jesus also become gods? From your above statement it seems that just because Jesus died on a cross , he became god. What if Jesus had died of natural causes? What if he was stabbed to death in an ally? Would Jesus NOT have become god then?
@@chandyller6773 it says in the Qur'an , he died, you stop being brainwashed by your ummah lol
@Delon Duvenage imagine a god crying for help? To whom is he asking for help?
@Delon Duvenage imagine your jesus God crying asking for help ??? To whom is he asking for help?
What makes calming the storm and walking on water miracles only God does compared to the OT miracles that Elijah and Elisha performed?
Please, Mr Bart I need to know when Jesus was taken to Egypt with his mother at Age of 11 years ; and back at age of early 30 years ?
Where in Egypt? What he was doing all this years? Who knows him as God in Egypt? Is Jesus was the same person when he comeback?
There so much missing, I need to ask.
That my friends is called bringing a knife to a gunfight. Peter Williams was drowning before he said a word.
The New Testament clearly teaches that Jesus claimed to be God. The Bible also affirms the deity of Christ. This is evident in a variety of ways. First, Jesus claimed to be equal with God. He could forgive sin, something only God could do (Mark 2:5). Jesus claimed power to raise the dead (John 5:25-29). He claimed to be honored as God (John 5:18, 23) as well as to be equal with the Father (John 10:30).
Second, Jesus claimed to be the great "I Am." John 8:58 states, "Jesus said to them, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.'" This "I Am" reference is made in connection with Exodus 3:14 where God revealed His name to Moses as "I Am." Jesus' statement, then, is a biblical claim for the deity of Christ.
Third, Jesus claimed to be Yahweh God, the same God of Israel from the Old Testament. This included His claim to have eternal glory with the Father (John 17:5), His claim to be the first and the last (Revelation 1:17), His claim to be judge of all humanity (John 5:27), His claim to be the Good Shepherd (John 10:11), His claim to be the Bridegroom (Matthew 25:1; Isaiah 62:5), and His claim to be the light of the world (John 8:12; Psalm 27:1).
Fourth, Jesus also claimed to be the Messiah God. This is evident in many of the titles attributed to Him in the Old Testament that are referred to in the New Testament. These include reference to Jesus as God (Psalm 45:6 and Hebrews 1:8), Lord (Psalm 110:1 and Matthew 22:43-44), Ancient of Days (Daniel 7:9 and Mark 14:61-64), and as Messiah (John 4:26). These references affirm the biblical deity of Christ.
Fifth, Jesus accepted worship as God. Though the Old Testament commanded not to worship anyone but God alone, Jesus accepted worship on many occasions. Some of these included the healed leper who worshipped Him (Matthew 8:2), the ruler who knelt before Jesus after his son had been healed (Matthew 9:18), the Canaanite woman (Matthew 15:25), the mother of James and John (Matthew 20:20), and a demon-possessed man (Mark 5:6). The disciples even prayed to Jesus (Acts 7:59) and in His name (John 14:6; 15:7).
Sixth, Jesus' followers recognized Jesus as God. They called Him God on multiple occasions (John 20:28; Colossians 2:9), referred to Jesus by other names used only of deity, such as Savior of the world (John 4:42), and prayed to or worshiped Jesus as part of the Godhead (Matthew 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14). John taught He was with God in the beginning as "the word" and that "the word was God" (John 1:1).
While the New Testament never makes the direct statement "Jesus is God," it is clear that He is referred to as deity in a variety of ways. Colossians 2:9confirms, "For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily." (See also Philippians 2:6). Those who claim Jesus never referred to Himself as God deny many clear statements in Scripture (such as John 14:6). The deity of Jesus is biblical. Jesus is God, the second person of the Triune Godhead, consisting of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
@Streetsdisciple001 Listen to "the arabian Prophet" in RUclips. Hes an original arab and shows you all with evidence from your own islamic sources that Islam is false. Lord Jesus is GOD.
@@masterroshi8070 MASTER ROSHI!
We meet again! (after several months i think)
What the hell are you still doing around videos that clap Christianity's cheeks around, you old pervert? Are you a masochist? Lol
SmalltimR
It seems the NT speaks with two voices which explains the multitude of divisions in the Church and between Church and Synagogue, making Jesus unrecognizable to the latter.
In gospel of Mark and Matthew, it is said that jesus forgive the sin. Is there any phopet who say that he can forgive the sin?
God possesses all the attributes of perfection, so he does not need to rest or eat or incarnate in the form of creatures or have a son because all of that contradicts the attributes of God.
The Apostles forgave the sins of others just as Jesus did
Forgiving sins is in the power of humans too - Matthew 18'21,22.
Another way to look at is, the Son of Man claim in Matthew which was taken from Daniel and the miracles of Jesus already denotes of divinity. John, the beloved disciple could have certain things that the other authors knew. Also, only John have live the longest of them and has tge time to write a story in a theological perspective.
The son of man claim means divine, not God. Divine in the way the son of man is a celestial being, like angels or the living creatures with wings and multiple eyes. About John, how do you know he was the beloved disciple? And how do you know he wrote the 4th gospel? The writer (or writers) of the gospel never claim that. In fact, it says the opposite:
John 21,24: "This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who wrote them down. We know that his testimony is true."
It says the beloved disciple (who is never called John) wrote his testimony, and "WE (the authors of the fourth gospel) know HIS testimony is true". The author (or authors) make a difference between him/them and the beloved disciple.
@josiahjudah3126. Only problem is that John didn’t write The Gospel of John.
@@jimtruscott5670 Nah in all the Gospels, Jesus is God. Also evidence showed that the Gospel of John is written on John's lifetime, could have been dictated to a scribe or his student, like what Mark did for Peter, or Luke.
“At that time people will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. And he will send his angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens.
Mark 13:26-27 NIV
“In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.
Daniel 7:13-14 NIV
@@HelelBenShahar Wrong Yeshua claimed He is YHWH who spoke to Abraham, unless you don't want to read it plainly or yeah lets skip it:
The LORD (YHWH) appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day. Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he hurried from the entrance of his tent to meet them and bowed low to the ground.
Genesis 18:1-2 NIV
Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.” “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I AM (YHWH)!”
John 8:56, 58 NIV
@@josiahjudah3126 John is the less historical gospel. Almost all of John was made up by their author or authors. Looks like you didn't pay attention to what Ehrman argued in the video. Watch the video again, please.
JESUS do miracle dosent mean he is God. All prophets do miracle. Dosent mean they are gods. Jesus is a prophet same as Adam, Noah, Abraham, David, Salomon and Muhammad s.a.w.
Has any prophet rises a dead body ????????????
Gary Watkins he said father raised me
Gary Watkins God raised Him up again (Rom. 4:24; 6:4 [through the glory of the Father]); 10:9; 1 Cor. 6:14; Gal. 1:1; Col. 2:12).
Gary Watkins how they are one 1+1+1=1?
Gary Watkins believing GOD created the faith but its the reality also and yeah is more powerful but he gives us brain to determine not all the things but what is wrong what is truth brother you know i believe in quran more then hadith why because hadith can be changed research you know what jesus lead me to islam ask yourself think about it is he really son of god or he is prophet seems like he is prophet he got many similiraties with prophets take the example of prophet jonah
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Bible verses including the word or topic of Jonah.
Biblical Verses related to John The Baptist.
Josh 19:13
Then passed eastward to Gath-hepher [Jonah’s birthplace] and to Eth-kazin, and went on to Rimmon bending toward Neah.
2 Kgs 14:25
He restored the coast of Israel from the entering of Hamath unto the sea of the plain, according to the word of the LORD God of Israel, which he spake by the hand of his servant Jonah, the son of Amittai, the prophet, which was of Gathhepher.
Jnh 1:1
Now the word of the LORD came unto Jonah the son of Amittai, saying,
Jnh 1:3
But Jonah rose up to flee unto Tarshish from the presence of the LORD, and went down to Joppa; and he found a ship going to Tarshish: so he paid the fare thereof, and went down into it, to go with them unto Tarshish from the presence of the LORD.
Jnh 1:5
Then the mariners were afraid, and cried every man unto his god, and cast forth the wares that were in the ship into the sea, to lighten it of them. But Jonah was gone down into the sides of the ship; and he lay, and was fast asleep.
Jnh 1:7
And they said every one to his fellow, Come, and let us cast lots, that we may know for whose cause this evil is upon us. So they cast lots, and the lot fell upon Jonah.
Jnh 1:12
And [Jonah] said to them, Take me up and cast me into the sea; so shall the sea become calm for you, for I know that it is because of me that this great tempest has come upon you.
Jnh 1:15
So they took up Jonah, and cast him forth into the sea: and the sea ceased from her raging.
Jnh 1:17
Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.
Jnh 2:1
Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish’s belly,
Jnh 2:10
And the LORD spake unto the fish, and it vomited out Jonah upon the dry land.
Jnh 3:1
And the word of the LORD came unto Jonah the second time, saying,
Jnh 3:3
So Jonah arose, and went unto Nineveh, according to the word of the LORD. Now Nineveh was an exceeding great city of three days’ journey.
Jnh 3:4
And Jonah began to enter into the city a day’s journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown.
Jnh 3:6
For word came to the king of Nineveh [of all that had happened to Jonah, and his terrifying message from God], and he arose from his throne and he laid his robe aside, covered himself with sackcloth, and sat in ashes.
Jnh 4:1
But it displeased Jonah exceedingly, and he was very angry.
Jnh 4:4
And the LORD said unto Jonah, “Art thou so angry?”
Jnh 4:5
So Jonah went out of the city, and sat on the east side of the city, and there made him a booth, and sat under it in the shadow, till he might see what would become of the city.
Jnh 4:6
And the LORD God prepared a gourd, and made it to come up over Jonah, that it might be a shadow over his head, to deliver him from his grief. So Jonah was exceeding glad of the gourd.
Jnh 4:8
And it came to pass, when the sun did arise, that God prepared a vehement east wind; and the sun beat upon the head of Jonah, that he fainted, and wished in himself to die, and said, It is better for me to die than to live.
Jnh 4:9
And God said to Jonah, Doest thou well to be angry for the gourd? And he said, I do well to be angry, even unto death.
Matt 12:39
But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given it but the sign of Jonah the prophet:
Matt 12:40
for as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Matt 12:41
The men of Nineveh shall stand up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for they repented at the preaching of Jonah; and behold, a greater than Jonah is here.
Matt 16:4
An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of Jonah. And he left them, and departed.
Matt 16:17
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jonah: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father who is in heaven.
Luk 11:29
And when the multitudes were gathering together unto him, he began to say, This generation is an evil generation: it seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it but the sign of Jonah.
Luk 11:30
For even as Jonah became a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to this generation.
Luk 11:32
The men of Nineveh shall stand up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for they repented at the preaching of Jonah; and behold, a greater than Jonah is here.
John 1:42
He brought him to Jesus. Jesus looked at him, and said, “You are Simon the son of Jonah. You shall be called Cephas” (which is by interpretation, Peter).
John 1:43
and he brought him to Jesus. Jesus looking on him, said: You are Simon, the son of Jonah; you shall be called Cephas (which, when translated, is Rock).
ANDERSON
John 21:15
So when they had eaten their breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon, son of Jonah, do you love me more than these?” He said to him, “Yes, Lord; you know that I have affection for you.” He said to him, “Feed my lambs.”
John 21:16
I'm not sure why Peter doesn't distinguish between how other Miracles are performed by other people. They do not do it _on their own authority as Jesus did_ . They did it by the permission, anointing or command of God. Also a plausible explanation for the different portrayal of Jesus in mark is that Mark thought the miracles of Jesus were important while John thought the claims of Jesus very important. The question remains to Bart, why would Mark think Jesus was God if Jesus didn't think so? And would we not be asking the same questions if we had John but not mark? If we had Jesus claiming to be God yet showing no power and authority that only God would have it becomes no different than me saying I am God.
Anyone can claim to be God but can anyone raise others from the dead and forgive people's sins against other people not against themselves? "Who is this that the wind and seas obey him? Who is this that he can forgive sins?" These are questions asked of Jesus in mark. It is clear the John is making a claim about Jesus while Mark is substantiating it
Bible says Jesus did not do anything of his own authority or will.
John 5:30
I can of my own self do nothing. As I hear I judge and my judgement is just, for I seek not my will but the will of my father.
@@faaiz2785
From your passage:
"whatever the Father does the Son also does." This statement obviously implies that Jesus can do nothing on his own APART FROM WHAT THE FATHER DOES because *they do the same thing*
"he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man"
This is a good counterargument but it is clear from more context that Jesus responding to criticism that he is breaking Sabbath traditions and claiming to be equal to God (verse 18) by saying that his will is *aligned with* " *the Father's* " - not that he is unable to perform supernatural acts but that he NEVER would without the Father's approval because he "seeks to please the Father"
Your problem is that you begin by assuming Jesus is not God. If instead you allow for the possibility of the _trinity_ then Jesus is doing miraculous work by his own power. "I and the Father are one" John 10:30
Prior to that verse he says no one can "snatch" people from his hand and then proceeds to say no one can "snatch them from the Father's hand and then concludes with John 10:30. It's very mysterious and cryptic but it is what has lead to the notion of God's triune nature.
@@thebullybuffalo
John 17:21
that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.
Then you should also take the disciples as God, because Jesus even adds them in one.
I could believe that God is. With Jesus and Jesus is with god .... But I can't believe that God is Jesus and Jesus is god ..
@@faaiz2785 John 17:21 is talking about unity of mind not being. Jesus is praying that they would all be of the same _mind_ in believing the gospel (verse 20). I never used this verse as evidence that Jesus and the Father are God. I used John 10 which you didn't respond to. Not every time in the Bible when it uses the word "one" is it referring to _being_ . It is referring to *unity* but the kind of unity its speaking of depends on the context.
As I said before John 10 shows Jesus claiming unity in being with the Father which is why they tried to stone him immediately after.
I remember somewhere, maybe Mike Winger, or One for Israel, saying that the Mark Gospel was so early that the young man in the garden who ran away naked when the soldiers grabbed his garment was unnamed because the account was so close in time that his identity was concealed, i think there's something with that here, with Mark laying on the Divinity easy on new readers/believers, but that Mark's Gospel shows in the long run, and steadily leads to Jesus' identity as the coming Messiah, the Annointed one of God. God with us
The messiah is not a god. King Cyrus of Persia is called a messiah in the OT for sending home the Jews and helping them to rebuild the temple.
The annointed one - well that´s a ritual for blessing the designated king of Israel.
Great to see the body language of the 2 presenters. One talks with knowledge, another with emotions.
And yet, they are both wrong - amazing
Bart absolutely destroyed that dude :DDDDDDDD
True, but that doesn't mean he is right - for example; Bart did not prove or disprove Jesus' divinity, whereas the NT writings demonstrate that Jesus most definitely claimed divinity outside the Gospel.
@@taylorjeremy71
Everyone has an agenda - otherwise, there would be no disputes...
Bart always does a good job weather he's debating on the side of a real jesus or about the unreliability.. Im a Catholic but i watch videos about all religions
@@smalltimer4370 VERY SMART FROM YOU TO SAY THAT, THE SPIRIT OF THIS WORLD DIDENT REVEAL THAT TO YOU. PRAISED BE THE HOLLY OF hollies
@@smalltimer4370 I have written a book about Jesus being God in the Bible. When you read the Bible with the thought that Jesus and God are two separate beings then it is full of contradictions, but when you read it with the knowledge that Jesus and God are one and the same then it makes perfect sense with no contradictions. Please check out my book on Amazon - “Jesus Is God, Scripture Proves It” by Cary Glenn. It’s the only book I ever wrote. It goes into depth on this topic and explains why the Bible over all other religions can be believed. It’s a good study guide you can share with your friends. Check it out. You won’t be sorry you did. Please spread this on social media…we have to get the word out. Jesus says if you believe I am who I say I am, you will die in your sins.
I've always wondered why John's gospel was so different from Mark and Q...I think there's some deeper history that needs to be uncovered
Because John intended to convey deeper interpretation of Jesus' identity as prophecied from Genesis until malachi. Luke, mark, and mathew are more like reports that were written to inform people regarding Jesus' legacy, miracles, teaching, etc. What's the point to repeat Mark's, mathew, and Luke's report?
That's why John wrote different "style" but still the same thruth as it were prophecied/confirmed by prophet hundreds years before.
@@SuperRphp So by your words, John's gospel is not the gospel, it's his interpretation of the gospel?
So in other words, he is adding to the events and sayings that actually occured which is not necessarily congruent with all the other eye witness accounts on what happened.
@@SuperRphp A "style" of writing doesn't add to the content of writing, it just conveys the same message in a different way.
Matthew, Mark, and Luke's message is definitely different from John's message, a mere "style" would not do that
@@EZart-bq1xl All Prophets were given miracles to authenticate they are indeed sent by God.
But Jesus is higher than prophets, because he forgives sins. No one can forgive sin except God.
Matthew 9, Mark2, Luke 7.
@@mu9090 Jesus says throughout Matthew, Mark and Luke that salvation is through works and deeds... John changes the narrative to salvation through faith alone... John is an obvious forgery because it contradicts the other 3 gospels
Ehrman's got that respectful calmness that comes with lots and lots of knowledge and intelligence, it really shines through, he's a joy to listen to.
He is like a kid asking God to admit that He is God, but disregarding all the miracles, healings, casting out of demons, and apparent revelations that He is God but just want Him to claim that He is God. Actions speak louder than Words.
Everything Jesus did, was due to His own GOD and Father - of this, Jesus was very adamant
Even His words were not His, let alone His actions...
@@SmalltimR What does John 1:1-14 mean to you?
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_In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made through him. Without him was not anything made that has been made. 4In him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness hasn't overcome it._
_6There came a man, sent from God, whose name was John. 7He came as a witness, that he might testify about the light, that all might believe through him. 8He was not the light, but was sent that he might testify about the light._
_9The true light that enlightens everyone was coming into the world. 10He was in the world, and the world was made through him, and the world didn't recognize him. 11He came to his own, and those who were his own didn't receive him. 12But as many as received him, to them he gave the right to become God's children, to those who believe in his name: 13who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God._
_14The Word became flesh, and lived among us. We saw his glory, such glory as of the one and only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth. 15John testified about him. He cried out, saying, "This was he of whom I said, 'He who comes after me has surpassed me, for he was before me.'" 16From his fullness we all received grace upon grace. 17For the law was given through Moses. Grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ. 18No one has seen God at any time. The one and only Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has declared him._ - John 1.1-18
And in contrast with;
_4For the word of Yahweh is right. All his work is done in faithfulness. 5He loves righteousness and justice. The earth is full of the loving kindness of Yahweh. 6By Yahweh's word, the heavens were made; all their army by the breath of his mouth. 7He gathers the waters of the sea together as a heap. He lays up the deeps in storehouses. 8Let all the earth fear Yahweh. Let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him. 9For he spoke, and it was done. He commanded, and it stood firm._ - Psalm 33.4-9
With that being said, the word of GOD, in verse 1 through 5, is the personification of GOD's will made manifest through the Son - GOD's word(literal) which is identified as coming from and being spoken by GOD(YHWH) - is attributed as the causal agent by which all things were made. This same word, would also be identified as GOD Himself, as a result of its works - the work(as creation) representing GOD Himself.
Further resolution to this is found in verses 10 through 12, as the world is identified as being made through Him(the Word), and who would not recognize Him - setting a contrast between the worlds origin and the nature of corruption and sin, leading to a division between the world and the Word, by which it was made.
Following this, the account goes-on to identify the same Word(living commandment) becoming flesh and living among us, and who would be glorified as the only begotten Son of the Father and who declared GOD to the world as the only begotten Son.
Having said all that, and what stands out to me in this particular account, is just how many times the words 'only begotten Son' comes-up in the Greek text, thus outlining the nature of the relationship between the source(GOD the Father), and the Son(in subjection to said source).
Where in Any bible that Jesus says I am God, worship me ?
In the dream of every Christians.
samsuddin salleh If you accept Bartmen Saying Jesus isn’t God .. You also Need to accept that He proves Jesus Died,,
Which Goes against The Quran claim that Jesus wasn’t crucified..
Don’t be hypocritical and cherry pick what u like and don’t like..
Overwhelming evidence to show Jesus was bored lived and Died by Crucifixion.. Wether he was divine .. To me he is, doesn’t change the fact that Islam gets it wrong and Isn’t reliable.
To all my Muslim Brothers and Sisters In Humanity.......If you accept Bartmen Saying Jesus isn’t God ..
You also Need to accept that agrees with the historical records that proves Jesus Died,,
Which Goes against The Quran claim that Jesus wasn’t crucified..
Don’t be hypocritical and cherry pick what u like and don’t like..
There are biblical and non biblical Overwhelming evidence to show Jesus was born... lived ...and Died by Crucifixion.. Wether he was divine or not is a matter of belief...To me he is, .....Wether he is or isn’t is irrelevant and doesn’t change the fact that Islam gets the death of Jesus wrong and Isn’t reliable.
Ahmad Ghanem as a Muslim you just shot yourself in the head because using hose same standards, can you now show me where in the Quran Jesus says in these exact words (as you want):
1) I am the messiah
2) I am the word of allah which he cast down to Mary
3) I am a Spirit from allah
Show me where Jesus said these in his words in those exact words in your Quran.
I’ll be waiting... when you can’t find them, then answer me why you believe as a Muslim that Jesus is the messiah and the word of allah and a spirit from allah.
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“People of the Book! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, and attribute to Allah nothing except the truth. The *Messiah* , Jesus, son of Mary, was only a Messenger of Allah, and His *Word* that He conveyed unto Mary, and a *Spirit* from Him. So believe in Allah and in His Messengers, and do not say “three”. Give up this assertion; it would be better for you. Allah is indeed just one God. Far be it from His glory that He should have a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and in the earth. Allah is sufficient for a guardian.” (The Noble Quran 4:171)
The development of human beliefs relating to the universe and powers that control and shape it almost always ended in a god or several gods (even in the millions) who showed himself to and lived among man. This god or his plural all eventually withered away, leaving behind statues, paintings, poems and epics with the believers.
Man needed to physically see, and if possible, touch and talk to their god in addition to expecting many miracles to buttress their belief and guarantee of a blissful afterlife for those who believe it. It is a struggle between the visible and invisible God.
Jesus literally forgives sins in the earlier gospels. Clearly he claimed he was God! He believed in the Old Testament which means only God can forgive sin.
*Christianity Evidence for you to look into. I’m confident in the cumulative evidence that I believe anyone seeking truth with their bias aside will see the overwhelming evidence for Christianity after checking out the things below.
Evidence:
Look into the resurrection evidence, the fine tuning argument, the moral argument, the teleological argument, the cosmological argument. The sophisticated complicated language of DNA. The origins of life. Think about how things like purpose and love seem like they actually matter rather than being strictly chemical reactions. Look into the law and order of the known universe. The only reason we can even do science the way we do is on the assumption the universe has order. Look into Biblical prophecy, look into Christian miracles, eye witness testimony to miracles, life testimonies from Christians, Watch near death experiences where people see Jesus or heaven and hell (especially from former atheists), look into Jesus’ impact on society such as what year we are in right now and why, look into the historical evidence of Christianity, look into the science stated in the Bible before humans discovered it. Look into the archeological evidence for Christianity. Look into the laws of logic especially cause and effect and how that would point to a creator along with many other things. That should give you a great place to start if you are skeptic, you shouldn’t just trust me on the matter. You should seek the truth yourself.
Elisha in the Old Testament performed MANY miracles!!! The Widow and the Oil
Perhaps one of the most well-known stories about Elisha is that of the widow’s oil. The woman, destitute following the death of her husband, came to Elisha after a creditor threatened to take her children as slaves. Though she had nothing in her house but a jar of oil, Elisha multiplied the oil until it filled all the vessels that she had, and she was able to sell the oil to pay off the debt.
Jesus/God needed to teach more before he was killed for saying he was God.
He needed to experience what it is like to be human. To see why so many were sinning.
There are so many reasons.
Jesus fulfilled approximately 300 Old Testament prophecies concerning His birth, death and resurrection.
The Old Testament was completed 450 years before His birth.
Then we have the eye witnesses-remember most were martyred for their belief.
We also have both Old and New Testament prophecy being fulfilled to the letter right now as we debate whether the Bible is accurate or not.
The Bible has never been disproved on any level although millions have attempted to do so.
All the above and so much more is why Paul the apostle states that God considers the wisdom of this world to be foolish.
Ask any Jew and Muslim why you are wrong
You don't disprove claims, you prove claims and the Bible is a claim. The burden of proof is always on the claimant. For instance if you said at the Thanksgiving table that you've been screwing your sister for 30 years, that doesn't mean its true until your sister proves it is not. It is not considered true until you prove that you did. Though I guess we shouldn't be expecting too much out of you after stating "300 prophecies". Not even the foremost theist scholars claim that, but I guess if you want to post that level of stupidity on a public forum that's your call.
Bart Ehrman is really sharp, not sure why the other guy would want to debate him..
The question is not how "sharp" he is, but if he's telling the truth or telling lies. Believers who know the Lord and his word recognize him as a fraud and liar very quickly.
@@fsdfmsbcxx Lying requires that someone is telling a falsehood with intent to mislead. If you can't even name one specific way he's wrong (let alone establish that he knows he's wrong and is deliberately trying to mislead people), then your "liar" accusation is simply wrong.
@B. S. Our faith is not founded on man-made opinions or the views of scholars (who are not even Christians), or any church council, but on God's Word, the Testimony of the Father about his Son, which the Holy Spirit confirmed through the mouth of the Apostels and all true believers. And it's the same Spirit who gave us that assurance when we come to the Gospel of our Lord and believed it with our heart. These scholars are the enemies of the cross and they are not from God, because they deny everything what God said in his word.
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"Lying requires that someone is telling a falsehood with intent to mislead."
I agree with you. Some can just be wrong on a topic, that doesn't make them a liar, because they do it in ignorance.
" If you can't even name one specific way he's wrong "
Oh, I can give you several specific points. Hold on... will reply later.
@B. S.
Christians believe the word of God and preach it instead of denying it. That's WHY they are Christians (Philippians 2,16). God was the one who set his word forever, and he NEVER gave an assignment to a human being to decide what his word is and what it's not. Our Job is to proclaim it, not to edit it.
These Scholars pervert the Word of God and release one Bible Fake after another, which are all based on faulthy (made up) Manuscripts. That's why we have so many fake Bibles today, which come in the name of "better translations". They are all based on these faulthy (Alexandrian) Texts. That is what these Scholars really mean (but never say) when they're talking about the "earliest manuscripts".
From Genesis 1 to Revelation 22 it's his word, and the whole religious world rages in war against it, especially Roman Catholicism, and the History proves the long war against the King James Bible, which saved so many souls and reconciled them unto God.
"For ever, O Lord, thy word is settled in heaven." (Psalm 119,89 / KJV)
My questions to Ehrman: are you saying that every gospel should have said the same thing? All of them should be exactly the same?
Is this your basic claim? That all gospels should have written a same thing?
Are we talking about copied paste books or what?
They should have taken up a collection a spent it on a larger table. The conversation deserves a table that doesn't look like it was borrowed from a kids playroom.
shout out to this impartial, unbiased interviewer
Jack Justin is great. I say this as an atheist.
John 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I (Jesus) said, I am the Son of God?
He is biased...but he does a great job of putting his biases aside while moderating. So he is a good moderator. And like others, this is coming from an atheist.
Huhmongus makes you feel good inside, but it’s super unrealistic.
Huhmongus I love dragon ball. But we all know it’s ridiculous.
This dialogue between God and Jesus in the day of judgment:
And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, “O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, ‘Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah?'” He will say, “Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen.
I said not to them except what You commanded me - to worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them as long as I was among them; but when You took me up, You were the Observer over them, and You are, over all things, Witness.
If You should punish them - indeed they are Your servants; but if You forgive them - indeed it is You who is the Exalted in Might, the Wise.
Allah will say, “This is the Day when the truthful will benefit from their truthfulness.” For them are gardens [in Paradise] beneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide forever, Allah being pleased with them, and they with Him. That is the great attainment. (Al-Maidah 5:116-119)
QURAN VERSE Ayah al-baqarah 2;210
Are these people waiting, perchance, for God to reveal Himself unto them in the shadows of the clouds, together with the angels - although [by then] all will have been decided, and unto God all things will have been brought back....
[GOD COMES IN THE CLOUDS]
BIBLE
Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?”
62 “I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”
63 The high priest tore his clothes. “Why do we need any more witnesses?” he asked. 64 “You have heard the blasphemy. What do you think?”
They all condemned him as worthy of death.
CLEARLY HE CLAIMED TO BE GOD AND WAS CRUCIFIED BECAUSE OF IT AND HE RESURRECTED AS A STAMP OF APPROVAL FROM GOD THAT HE IS WHO HE CLAIMED TO BE IF HE WAS NOT GOD HE WOULD HAVE NOT RISEN FROM THE DEAD
Bro that is the quran which is a false book. Try again
@@uriarteunited3105 have u ever read it pro. Or repeating what others are telling you 😉
@@uriarteunited3105 looks like it bro!
Narrated by Ibn Abbas. Mhd took the sentence what was uttered by his scribe Abdullah bin al-Sarh, thus caused him(Abdullah) to leave islam because he realised it that Mhd was false prophet.
The story of 7 sleepers of Ephesus was written by a Siriac Christian priest few decades before Mohd was born.
Mhd copy it into quran, but mhd FORGOT the details, whether it was 3 or 4, OR, 5 or 6, OR or 7 with their dog.
Sura 18:22
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Story of Miraj was from zoroastrian legends.
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Prayer (salat) five times daily and using Sun's movement to specify timings were from Zoroastrianism.
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Solomon talking to ants: Jew's children bed time stories. Also pre-existed before islam
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Jesus says :
I am the Truth
I am the Resurection
I am the Beginning & the End
700 yrs later, Mhd copied what Jesus said & claimed them to be the names of Allah, in order to prove Allah is God,.. Muslims ask "prove us where Jesus said I am God worship Me"- not realising here quran tells you, Jesus is allah
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the Infancy Gospel of Thomas is considered unauthentic and heretical.
However, its story of Jesus giving life to clay birds went into to quran.
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The verse abt Moon splitting, copied from poems written by a poet, Imru’ al-Qays who lived before mohd was born.
Quran 54: 1,29,31,46
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Ramadhan Fasting came from the Sabians (Harranians- moon worshippers and Mandaeans- polytheists ) who practiced Ramadhan Fasting before Mohd was born and since 600 b.c.
According to 10th-century historian Ibn al-Nadim, the Harranians called the feast ”al-Feter” الفطر, the same name by which the feast of Islamic Ramadan is called, عيد الفطر ”Feast of al-Feter”.
The Harranians consider their Moon god is greater than the counter-part polytheist gods. Greater = Akbar.
Our god is greater ! Co-incidence (?)
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Surah 18:83-102 Journey of Dhu l'Qarnayin was copied from a Syriac Legend abt Alexander the Great.
@@uriarteunited3105 they never understand unless you prove Jesus is God from their book that they copied
Interesting conversation. I loved it
Did Jesus even exist?
@@randyreneau2086 no
@@vedicarya7 no, Jesus claimed to be god in John, I don’t know who was crazier John whoever, or if Jesus was real. I don’t see to much of anything being fact in the Gospels. I have has people coming up to me saying Jesus loved me, if you look at the gospels I don’t see it. But this is a story that is fiction. If you love as hate he says that. Who knew of him in the first century? Nobody! The people that wrote of him, didn’t witness seeing him in person, or I don’t think he exist. No more than other man gods.
Muses pbuh was a prophet and as well as Jesus Pbuh too. But animies of humanity changed the words like i am not God, and they removed the word not. And that becomes an other beleif. Jesus said i am not the son of God and enemies of humanity removed the word not. Just a little change made Him God and all the christians till date now have not convinced any single human being that Jesus is God or the son of God because he was not a god or not a son of God. He was a true christ and he had miracles like other prophets. But when human will beleive blindly, than they are worst than animals because God has given the power to understand and in an other verse in the bible it is clearly mention that God is not a man and not the son of a man.
In new testament
God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
God is not a man that He would lie, neither a son of man to be advised; He says and he does and his word stands for eternities.
Quran Is the last book of God. And everything is clearly mention. And most imoortant thing the true words of God in the Quran according to christian are from devil. Because christains beleive what is written. I never mind we should beleive in the words of God. But the thing is what is being mentioned, it should be proved. Or even could easily convinced to your brain and no christian brother even can convince himself from one verse to an other and result is sheikh Yousuf Estes.
@@randyreneau2086 Muses pbuh was a prophet and as well as Jesus Pbuh too. But animies of humanity changed the words like i am not God, and they removed the word not. And that becomes an other beleif. Jesus said i am not the son of God and enemies of humanity removed the word not. Just a little change made Him God and all the christians till date now have not convinced any single human being that Jesus is God or the son of God because he was not a god or not a son of God. He was a true christ and he had miracles like other prophets. But when human will beleive blindly, than they are worst than animals because God has given the power to understand and in an other verse in the bible it is clearly mention that God is not a man and not the son of a man.
In new testament
God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
God is not a man that He would lie, neither a son of man to be advised; He says and he does and his word stands for eternities.
Quran Is the last book of God. And everything is clearly mention. And most imoortant thing the true words of God in the Quran according to christian are from devil. Because christains beleive what is written. I never mind we should beleive in the words of God. But the thing is what is being mentioned, it should be proved. Or even could easily convinced to your brain and no christian brother even can convince himself from one verse to an other and result is sheikh Yousuf Estes.
May our Lord Jesus grace and mercy be in us
Nope he is not god. He was a JEW.
He is the only Son of God, who is truly God, but did not consider equality with God, but instead became a servant, obedient until death, to us, for our sins to be one with him.
@@giorgiodechambre6798 bruh you make no sense💀💀
Re-Reading my comment, made me laugh, because it makes perfect sense, it's Philippians chapter 2, where it says the same thing.
This is word for word from Philippians 2:6-8
"Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God, as something to cling to, instead he gave up his Divine Privileges, he took the Humble position of a Slave, and was born as a Human Being, when he appeared in Human Form, he Humbled himself in Obedience to God, and Died a criminal's Death on a Cross"
This verse is saying, even though Jesus was God, he decided to come as a human being, and give up his Divine Privileges, to save us from our sins, so we may turn back to God,
Even though all of us are against God, he loved us, to come and walk among us, to teach us, and to die for us,
Only his Grace and Mercy and Love are sufficient for our lives.
The gospels don’t have to repeat the same thing every time !
Otherwise you would suspect them of plagia or collusion
That is an excellent point - thx
or consistency of one and the same message to ensure the authenticity of events and sayings. You're missing the point...
Yeah then that would be another topic to try and falsify Jesus. Rev 1:8
Yes. But, excluding his claims of divinity in a biographical account of Jesus’ life would be like writing a biography of Babe Ruth and failing to mention that he played baseball.
There IS collusion. They are copying off eachother.
Peter exhibits a shifty defensiveness very similar to Ben Shapiro.
Unfortunately Bart’s fellow debater is clearly not comfortable in such an environment and his case (such as it is) suffers accordingly. Having watched the full debate the major thing that I came away with was the fact - I choose not to call it an idea - that we simply can never know that anything said in the New Testament and attributed to Jesus was said by him at all. The most casual of looks at the history of Christianity and it’s various schisms and denominations over the last 2000 years demonstrates how words can be moulded and reinterpreted until they mean something quite different. To suggest that there was no such a moulding of whatever Jesus actually DID say would be highly disingenuous.
Running the same "believer in denial" program.
This is gonna be a good one.
watch all of it - really good.
Actually, in Mark and the other Gospels, Jesus does affirm to the High Priest Caiaphas that he is the Son of God, so not clear what point Ehrman is trying to make. Certainly the synoptics are different than John, but different authors have different literary approaches. Nothing very unusual about that.
"Thats who you say I am"
Revelation 1:8: "I am the alpha and omega says the lord, God". Revelation 22:13 "I am the alpha and omega" Verse16: " I, JESUS am he"
Matthew 2:8 clearly Jesus is referring to himself as the son of man
*Mark 14,61-64*
61 But he remained silent and made no answer. Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?”
62 And Jesus said, “I am, and you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.”
63 And the high priest tore his garments and said, “What further witnesses do we need?
64 You have heard his blasphemy. What is your decision?” And they all condemned him as deserving death.
*Daniel 7,13-14*
13 "I saw in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like a son of man, and he came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him.
14 And to him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve him; his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom one that shall not be destroyed.
Meaning God send him and gave him the guide lines that if you Follow them , then you are going straight to Heaven . He was not meaning he is God but what he's doing if you praktisch it then you are among to the children of Heaven.
If Jesus was God he'll clearify it i'm God and i come for myself becuz i have been sending Prophets to you but you never listen now i come for myself.
If Jesus is God and you kill God now who's running the world as far as God die. Which Jesus is the topic ❓
(1) the white Jesus
(2) the real Jesus
We've no white God dont teach me anything wrong from the white man.
Or which bible are you coting ❓
The Slave bible or John or Paul or Martin or the List goes.
This was a brainwashing people but real thats what we believe and in the real bible there's no thrinity, no human being is God. God is God and man is man.
But before you white race came all the Prophet where Black it doesnt matter how you defind Black.
In your mind we know that there's only two race and if you are not white then you are Black.
Opposite of white straight to way you said Black.
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Get rid of your racism and read the Bible with an open heart...
Robert Petitt also quran ch.19 verse 1 says Christ is my God.
@@muh.qatham9687 Maybe you have a problem with reading
Qur'an 19:1 says :
"Kaf Ha Ya A'yn S'ad": Where here doe's it claim that Jesus is God!
Name your sources then!
You follow a blind man made religion based on deceit and deception. You surely are as the Qur'an states:
"It is He ( GOD ) who has sent down to you, [O Muhammad], the Book; in it are verses [that are] precise - they are the foundation of the Book - and others unspecific. As for those in whose hearts is deviation [from truth], they will follow that of it which is unspecific, seeking discord and seeking an interpretation [suitable to them]. And no one knows its [true] interpretation except Allah . But those firm in knowledge say, "We believe in it. All [of it] is from our Lord." And no one will be reminded except those of understanding."