Which 2nd hand EV to buy in Norway
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Don't be fooled by the LEAF capacity bars! The first bar is worth ~15.5% the others just ~6.5%.
So 3 bars gone = ~70% capacity left. And 2 bars gone = ~77%...
Nissan probably did this so the LEAF's don't loose their first bar when they are still on the dealers lot!
Right now my LEAF is at 83% SoH according to leafspy, but the car still has 11 bars (11/12 = 92%). That is some BS!
So allways be checking with leafspy before you buy one.
Best way to figure out is to plug an OBD adapter and run LeafSpy Pro.
YES, please test one of those i-MIEV, CitroenZero, Peugeot-Ion ones. These are the only new e-cars with owned battery, that is within the budget of many of us.
I've driven them around town here. They are surprisingly peppy. Steep hills are no issue at all. They weigh a full 500kg less than a leaf
Backdoors on Vans open to the Side to load with a Forklift.
I'm still impressed that these 20 year old Saxos still run today, with that antique NiCd battery tech.
I am still using NiCd batteries from 1993 in a R/C-Transmitter for my model airplane. Capacity is about 65% of rated capacity @0.2c discharge rate. Reliable even in -10°C and tolerates +60°C aswell.
But compared to NiMH and Li-Ion the specific capacity per weight is ridiculously low, barely better than Lead-Acids.
Test the Cheapest Citroen Saxos! The Peugeot 106 and Renault Clio electric are also pretty similar!
I really enjoyed the video! A lot of useful information. These long "rambling" videos you do are good to listen to and you should do more of them! Looking forward to the Tesla one, please make it also lengthy as i would imagine there is a lot to talk about.
Björn you need to testdrive that small tripplets ev car :D I am thinking of buying one..
Range test on the Saxo! :D
yes! Also Tesla battery pack conversion! :P
Wow, they fit that thing with NiCad batteries! Bet you had to run the car flat and then charge fully so the battery could remember it was an energy store and not a paper weight! The good old days.
Trip to the Trondheim!
Just at the other day I was thinking I should ask you to make a video about used EVs. And now here it is. This was very interesting!
Thank you, Mr Bjorn, for yet another entertaining video!
Incidentally (another proof that in life, there are no incidents), just yesterday I was going through my country's biggest site for selling used EVs to snatch a cheap second family EV car with some 100km of winter range, and I came across a Renault Fluence for 10000EUR... I did a bit of research about this car and unfortunately, I had to pass on it (only 3kW charger, type 1 plug, charging never under 6 hours, 22kWh swappable battery (do the words "Better Place" ring any bells?), and some 60000kms done with a nominal initial range of 100km)... It would be so nice if there would be a system to upgrade the old electric car batteries with the modern, more energy-dense battery modules (Like Tesla S modules, for example)... Thanks again for a great video!
51:20 Barn doors are preferred for panel vans because it allows you to use a forklift to drive closely to the van to load and unload a pallets and other stuff.
The two instruments on top of the dashboard in a smart fortwo are usually RPM and a clock. At least they are in my 2003 fortwo.
You skipped the Tepee electric/Berlingo multispace from PSA. You should look into that car at some point. Granted, it came a little late to the EV-table, but other than that it seems to be a good compromise.
Would be great if you also make a video about what can be done in the app for these second hand cars. App support sounds great but what does it imply in functionality?
The backdoors on the e-nv200 is so you can load in cargo with a forklift.
Don't know if anyone noticed but at 1:39:15 you have a spider visiting your camera lens :)
And regarding the Renault Fluence electric, it was developed with the now deceased Better Place company that planned to push in electric cars with Battery changing solution. They were active in Israel and Denmark before they got bankrupt. But this clearly shows that the Fluence was not a regular compliance car. And BTW it is strange that you don't consider the Golf a compliance car, and does it really justify the price premium compared to the Nissan Leaf?
Can you do a video on which E.V's have APPS (so you can control Heating/Cooling from your mobile phone).
Great Video!
Wish you could do this in France for me. I have learnt loads from this and your other videos. I enjoy doing road trips with you too. I am a granny, always been eco but looking for an electric car is so complicated, but I am determined. Trouble is France just pushes the Zoe, but I am interested in a Leaf.
I have looked at thoose two Saxo's, but one is broken. I just use my car in the winther. The rest of the year i drive a Zero DSR.
Hey Bjørn. A video suggestion: make a vid about second hand MS. What to look out for, stay clear of etc. And possibly comparing to a M3 due to similar price range. I'm probably not the only one struggling with this decition... ;)
In the UK, I would be
very careful when buying from a car dealer, we bought our first 2011
Nissan Leaf from a Private dealership which was selling expensive
cars of all makes. We found after owning the car that it must of had
a small bump up front because the charging flap does not close
cleanly and the colour blue does not quite match, and there is over
spray on some very small rubber air deflectors along the lower front
edge. Apart from the colour match it was not until we bought a second
Leaf, (to replace our one and only remaining ice car), that the other
two points became obvious when comparing the two cars. We could of
knock off a few more quid if we have known!
Our second Leaf
was bought from a newly established EV dealership. Now, and although
this came across as a more professional and knowledgeable dealer,
compared to many others! They too did me out of a missing motor
under-tray panel, which was missing! This only came to light when I
put the car into a Nissan Dealership Service depot and they reported
it back to me! £88 for the part and £50 to fit. I will live without
it until I get hold of one from a scrap dealer for less than the fit
cost!
But I would recommend a Leaf fitted with a 7kw onboard
charger, as this comes in very useful when travelling long distances,
it helps to short the time taken to get from A to B, especially if
the super charging network is poor.
We both do 40/45 mile
commute each day, and both cars handle this comfortably in the winter
months, but the 2011 only has 74% of its battery life left so the
heater is not an option whilst travelling, but it is heated up prior
to leaving home. The newer model a 2015 has 84.5% of its battery life
left, and car use the heater all the way, plus it has better
regenerative braking capability compared to the old model. The
heating system is also more efficient these and a few others where
included in the 2013 update, MK2.
Both cars where bought
at around 30K miles on the clock, and under £10K and have performed
perfectly, we aim to own both cars for at least five years before
exchanging, or upgrading the battery!
Could also be mentioned: I3 dos not rust, since it is made of expensive materiale such as aluminium and carbon fibre. Unfortunately my Golfs has been rusting
I had a loaner Model S 85 with No AP yesterday. Thought ... you know this is like the Millennium Falcon. I was tempted to buy a Smart Fortwo EV but I couldn't live with such a tiny car. They are practical though if you live in a city and don't go on trips.
Please do more videos of zoe and charging.
Fluence was built for Denmark batteryswap Better Place initiative who went bankrupt. Fluence owners could swap battery at a batteryswap if station if they leased the battey.
About the Leaf
First bar loss in a leaf is 15% every naar after that is 6.25%. Our leaf has 11 bars and 83% capacity left. (87% soh in winter).
Dont forget the facelift from the leaf which brings the heatpump, better battery, interior and lighter weight and more efficiënt motor.
Zoe, twizzy and Fluence in netherlands have mandatory battery lease which makes then way more expensive. Some Leafs have it as well but not many.
BTW, could give me a hint for website in NL for used cars, what to check prices on Kia Soul. I see imported them from NL here, in Norway.
@@alconaft4343 gaspedaal.nl or marktplaats.nl Soul EV's start at about 19K but most are more expensive. Personally I would save up /wait for Ioniq. I wouldn't buy another car with Chademo after my current Leaf.
Since you clicked in on a Twizy twice let me clarify: They can be used on the motorway leagally since they are 4-wheel motorcycles, however you will struggle to keep 80+ khp. They use a 6,1 KWh battery pouch style lithium battery, the real range is more like 50km (renault claims 80km, and ive only obtained this in perfect weather conditions on flat roads.) They only charge via shucko, the charger has a 16A input, but ralisticly charges at about 13A, with active cooling. When i got mine 2 years ago, leafs where still a bit expensive, and would get a leaf at todays prices. The only upside for me is that i have free parking at work, that would normaly cost me 100 euros a month. So compared to a leaf i save about 1200 euros per year.
In Norway we have one more bonus with Twizy - free toll roads forever. Why they have not made it with proper doors?
@@alconaft4343 Since it has no cabin heater/fan/arcondition the windows would fog up from the inside if it had proper doors/windows.
3.6 KW onboard charged on the renault fluence ze. No DC fast charging.
Hello can you please test the RAV4 EV as I believe it has a lot of Tesla running gear I guess because Toyota own 20 something percent of Tesla
My first car was a Citroen saxo!
Just a quick note on the Mercedes B-class. It won't take 4 hours to charge it fully. More like 3 hours give or take. I've taken road trips from Trøndelag to Bergen in that thing so I have some experience with it :) I also find that it stays between 18-20 kwh consumption when driving long trips. It's actually not thirsty at all. Short trips in and around town when it's cold is a different story as it uses a lot of energy when you start the car but after 5-10 minutes the consumption is low. Also, great storage space. The biggest drawback for me as an owner who takes long road trips in the summer is the lack of fast charging. There is a mod that can be installed that will make it charge fast but it has to be imported from the US and will be very costly. Would be cool if you did a video on used Teslas and which to buy!
no Renault Twizy ?
in the UK we can pick them up for peanuts
27hp for the citroen is correct and 80km range when new, the problem is the age of the batteries...
I wonder if there will come CCS conversion kit for LEAF, triplets and other CHAdeMO cars.
Next video suggestion : If you are crazy enough to buy a used EV, and often on other side of the country (like 500km+ to drive it home) what do we need to prepare before we go and get it ? (like register at Fortum ? Planning charging and drive time ?)
You only need Model X and trailer :)
wow theirs so many electric cars in norway , we in scotland could have been the same if the oil money had been used better, . i agree the fast charge is the way to go and i like the soul , prob i have is want to aleep in it and watched your video of road trip in soul and i looks short. older leafs are big but only a 24kw battery. was looking at i3 but theyre still expensive my budget is limited and here theirs hardly any electric cars for sale, what you think entry level?
The think city was also made in Finland, Uusikaupunki at Valmet Automotive
citroen saxo electric ? wow, wonder how good that was :) do a road test , that would be fun :)
Why not use Streamlabs on PC like you do on Android?
Bjorn,i-miev has TMS apparently ,so you could test it charging capability one day :-)on a road trip.Greetings
I can confirm. It uses climate control to cool down the battery while you DC fast charge and if one of the battery is at 20°C. Then it uses AC on top of that if one of the battery is at 30°C. If one battery reach 50°C then the charging speed is reduced to about 35kW to prevent battery degradation
A bit long but interesting even for me who’s not living in Norway. Was waiting for the ioniq commentary for 1,5 hours and now I’m checking German ampera e prices :P
Same for me and a little bit disappointed in a video with THE specialist in modern EV's didn't prepare himself in what technical was possible in those day's.
At the Renault Zoe adverts I see no mention of battery lease. Are the batteries all owned in Norway?
In the Netherlands the asking price for a Zoe is much lower, but the battery is leased for € 80 - € 120 a month (depending on yearly kilometers).
I think in the Nordic countries and UK you can at least decide, whereas in the mainland, only a leased battery is (or has been) an option. I think in Finland it has never been possible to buy the cars which only allow renting the battery in other places. At least the Zoe can be now bought...
Norway Zoe´s dont have battery lease, that´s where the prices come from.
It had lease for like one year. But imagine paying 1000€ a year for the battery on a car you own!
And when you sell it you sell it «without» a battery.
No one bought the car back then. Now the last three years it has sold quite well. Renault sold about 3500 cars in Norway in 2018. Over 3000 alone was just the Zoe...
Can simply use OBS to record the screen.
I think it's sad how difficult the rules are to switch battery chemistry for these old cars in Norway.
There are probably a few early EVs that ended up in the graveyard, because the battery died.
Would be so nice if it were easier to switch to a different more reliable battery.
People don't want to put a lot of money into a old technology replacement battery.
It would be more interesting, if it were easy to switch to:
- new technology, more reliable
- more energy dense , giving more range
- more mass produced, lower price.
hello sir! can a foreigner buy a use car in Norway and export to from the country? thanks!
Good video but you should edit out the backgorund noise.
The Mia was designed as an EV from the ground up. But the company does not exist anymore.
I bought my C-zero for 7000 euros (70000NOK) in near mint condition and 45000km (battery didn't loose a lot of range) in France. It's heater is awful. Also, when you use it, you loose instantly nearly 30km of range.
Ser på en Renault Fluence ZE. 2012 modell. Batteriet i denne skal være bygget av de samme cellene som i Nissan Leaf. Motoren er også den samme som i Leaf. Den har kort ladetid kontra da den var ny og det betyr nok at enkelte celler i batteripakken ikke er som de skal. Bilen har rullet litt over 40 000. Renault forhandleren her hvor jeg bor har ikke lov å demontere batteriet (drop down) og reparere det. Må dra til Oslo, men med en elbil med bare 7 mil rekkevidde om vinteren gjør turen umulig. Turen vil ta 50 timer minst ....På en ti år gammel bil er jo garantien forlengst gått ut så jeg tror det lokale verksted skal få prøve seg på jobben likevel. Samme verksted reparerer VW elbil batterier, med celleskift osv. Muligens kan jo Nissan hjelpe til med battericeller som må erstattes. Vi får se...
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I wouldn't call the triplets old. They sell almost the identical ones today for 150'kr and the price was reduced when Leaf came since it was being compared to Leaf with a price of 250'kr. I was actually looking for one in 2015, but the price gap between them in 2012 model was only 25'kr and test drive proved Leaf was way more luxurious and I can preheat without it being plugged in, which is great. I would never buy a 22kWh Zoe if a Leaf was the alternative because of the Chademo you get with Leaf.
If 40kWh Zoe gets fast charging CCS then it doesn't matter the TN requirement makes for slow charging otherwise since you can then fast charge for extra range so I think a car for 50'kr less than a smiilar Leaf would be a economic and good choice.
Does your Tesla has air con?
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(Kunne skrevet på Norsk, men tenkte å skive for de engelske leserne også)
Old video. I use OBS now.
@@bjornnyland As a wise mane once said: "Good shit!" 😉
AmperaE/Bolt has PTC heater which heats coolant going into the salon heat exchanger. So yes, it is stupid.
Twizy doesn't have windows, even as an option. It's the doors that are an option.
31:25 I had a fluence for one year before my zoe.
The Fluence is very comfortable to ride. Its a great driving car. But only 3,7kW AC (Chargeport is on both sides.)
The Battery is acculay between the backseats an the "tiny" Trunk.
Range between 120-150km in Summer and 60-80 in Winter.
And you have to be careful how the SoH of the Battery is they can drop under 75% if its a battery leasing you get a refurbished battery. Who is barley better.
But the ZOE is much better, bigger Trunk, fast AC Charging 43kW, heatpump...
But i liked the Design of the Fluence and the driving.
Your 2nd hand EV's are so cheap, in Finland prices start from 10k € and they are like some Renault Twizys, first decent car is a 24 kWh Leaf with 16k € price.
Someone should import all the
You can always buy from a third party, and still retain any warranties… :P Also Fiat 500e, which as Bjorn tested, has battery cooling/heating where as a LEAF doesn’t.
turpeine yea am in Finland and also drooling..
Hi Bjørn, if you had 150.000 NOK at your disposal, witch car would you buy?
+Verbgaf Soul EV
The i3 might be that cheep as it may not not have DC fast charging. Some env200 also might not have chademo. Wouldn't the spark be typ1 CCS so of no use in Europe.
All i3 has DC fast charging as standard. All e-NV200 also has DC fast charging as standard.
@@bjornnyland in Ireland and the Uk the env200 vista has no DC charging just 6.6 AC.
www.nissan.co.uk/vehicles/new-vehicles/e-nv200/prices-specifications.html
Some i3's had no DC but I think they are just the Rex versions.
Can you please add link of this page to description page. Thanx
www.finn.no
Good video, not too long :))
Do another one!
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Maybe a new updated video on this topic would be popular
After watching Uncle Rich's latest video, I'll go with "Not a Tesla"
Why did he think Tesla will deliver quickly from not even visiting a store and not consulting them before placing an order? I think he totally deserved this delay.
You can always buy from a third party, and still retain any warranties… :P
@@tyman3331 Do they need 3 months of consulting in advance to get his car?
@@GTA4Forever He could have known if it was like that if he called or visited the dealership first.
The purpose was to experiment web purchase. He try and Tesla failed, no excuse!!
Hey Bjørn here some additional infos:
the triplets have at least air cooled battery not like leaf. So no rapidgate:
ruclips.net/video/ZbV_5O7_yGk/видео.html
and they are able to fastcharger with 125A! that results around 40kW.
The smart is available with a charger with your favorited charging power of 22kW and available with BRABUS tuning.
The Renault Fluence has a 3.5kW onboard charger.
And here you have to pay for the battery like on ZEO…
And the same is also for the small Twizy… the lease is for that battery size freaking high!
On the Leaf you can have both leased or bought battery. At least in Switzerland.
The e-NV200 without seats has this split door to get you the possibility to load stuff with a forklift. With the standard luggage compartment door you would have a collision *SHHIIIIIIIIEEEEETTTT*
The RAV4 second gen is also equipped with Tesla battery and powertrain like the Mercedes B class. Phase Zero was even with Roadster (no not the roadster 2! the original one) components!
Use OBS to record videos it's free. Open broadcast studio
Du kunne brukt screenflow! :D
1:34:10 a bug?
eUP! has only 3.6 onboard charger.... :(
And optional CCS.
Never seen an Electric Saxo before.
Thank you for an informative video. Please check out the RAV4 EV, the only real SUV on the market, the Ipace, X and the audi are just combi coupes like Renault 16, and Saab 99 :-)
Isn’t the Smart Fortwo a Tesla inside? :P
I think it was the car that rescued Tesla. Tesla did have a very short time to make it.
I remember first time I saw the Citroen Saxo Electric with "EL" plates i was about to report stolen plates to the police hahhahah, who the heck would have thought that was an EV shiiieeeet
In the 90s it was different “triplets”, though I think the Citroen Saxo, Peugeot 106 and Renault Clio electric versions were all different.
The Peugeot 106 and the Citroen Saxo were technically identical, the Renault Clio was a different story.
This was hard to watch because of the screen refresh rate not in sync with the camera. I had to stop watching, sorry.
Honestly i wouldn't even consider buy anything with less than 40kw or 300km of real autonomy.
Use a screencorder next time, but not bad video
Use obs
Become the hoovie’s garage but for BEVs.
I watch hoovie but shake my head at some of the junk he buys. Then he sells the Tesla? I get the feeling he is not an ev guy. Doug D is though..he's even said the future is electric.
Funny in danish "delebil" means car share.
It can have that meaning in Norwegian as well, but good-for-parts-only is more common. For example bilkollektivet.no calls their shared cars "delelbil".
Don’t care if I’m first just taking the opportunity from others
Dont buy a SAXO is a widowmaker
But what if you give it to your wife?
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shiiiieet i watched all of it lol ;D
You said two times summer at 1:13:30😂
Just use SLOBS to record the screen next time :)
That saxo, 55 mph top speed, 20 x 6V NiCad batteries and a small fuel tank to run a small heater. Claimed 40-60mi range....probably because the rest of the car is about as sturdy as a crisp packet. Apparently you had to rent the battery as well!
That black plastic Norwegian effort is absolutely tragic looking.
Who watched the entire video?
You should look at the electric Chinese cars in china
these cars are soo ugly lol