As a huge VR nerd, I have some major suggestions. 1. Skip airlink/link cable, the compression used by Meta is frankly just terrible. Steamlink is quite good, and makes Steam VR work with little to no hassle, but Virtual Desktop is the cream of the crop, although it has a bit of a ‘learning curve’. AV1 encoding or 10 bit H.265 at higher bitrates are incredible on VD. 2. Get a dedicated router/AP just for VR, preferable a wifi 6E router. As much as it is a meme, the minions wifi 6E AP is the best bang for your buck in this department, nothing comes close price to performance wise. A stable, strong, fast connection only for VR makes a major difference. 3. If you liked Half Life Alyx, give Boneworks a try! It’ll probably make you pretty sick our first time playing it, but it is probably the best demonstration of what VR is capable of gameplay wise. No idea if you’ll read this, but hope you give it a shot! Love what you do, and it’d be cool to see how much your experience improves when not trying to do things the ‘Meta intended way’
Hi, as a person that is doing all of those except trying Boneworks, can you tell me what you think about Bonelabs? I keep hearing that Boneworks is much better than Labs, and i played maybe 2 hours of that on Quest 2 before i was bored.
What about Steam Link as an alternative if you can't afford Virtual Desktop, is it that worth? Need to know before I buy a dedicated router for this thing, genuine questions as I'm finally coming from a RiftS to a Quest3 and Steam Link has been okay other than my wifi being shit
@@DreamyKiley it has it's own issues, not best quality stream but it works better than the quest link app. Even on quest 2 the difference between steam and Virtual Desktop is very noticeable. (but you have to dedicate 5 hz connection to the quest on your modem and be as close as possible to it while the computer is connected with ethernet)
Haha!! Yeah I learned the instant it touched my head that it was a piece of crap. I got it purely coz it looked like it might work well in a chair. I was wrong. 😂
Bobo ve makes cheaper elite straps. Well, it was cheaper than the original one for my Quest 2 anyway, hopefully the same is true for the 3. Also, at least with the one I’ve got, there’s an optional fan to make air flow between the Quest and face, avoiding fogging and keeping heat under control. Love that thing lmao
It makes sense that someone with a 4k display would think it doesn't look the best but for people used to 1080, the quest looks just fine. It's not meant to be "the best headset in the world" but it's good for people looking to get into the space. I'm not trying to diss you I'm just letting other people know who maybe have never tried vr and play games casually and don't need it to be 1 to 1 from real life
You have a point. Most tech RUclipsrs eventually get out of touch once they have access to such high tech. Though, Dawid is still fun to watch. I think OptimumTech is good, too. He didn't say many negatives about VR sim racing but loves it. He gave up 2 of his expensive monitors to run VR only.
I've been playing games in 4k for around 10 years (since the r9 290x) and personally I think the quest 3 looks great. We have to remember this thing is running an arm cpu, not a rtx 4090. The performance they squeeze out of it is impressive and the 3d aspect of it takes away from it not having 4k levels of detail.
Yeah, it's always interesting to see where some people have their priorities. I personally couldn't care less how much sharper a small, flat monitor can be if I can actually BE THERE, you know? @@GrumpyWolfTech
I call it the “Nintendo switch” experience. Where graphics may be crappy. But if you only care and enjoy the gameplay. It’s actually pretty fun. Games such as Job/vacation simulator. May have meh graphics. But the game is so much fun. You’ll forget about the crappy graphics.
The thing is, I don’t think the headset is the issue. Like I said, Half life Alyx looks amazing. So it’s clearly capable of producing awesome visuals. It’s just really difficult to get stuff to look good in VR. But you’re right, everyone is different. I just happen to be very sensitive to pixel density issues, and VR literally shoves it in your face.
I find my slight nearsightedness (-1.0 diopter) actually is helpful in acting almost like an anti-aliasing effect. So I don't use glasses with the quest3
I second this. The bobo VR straps have been my go to. Though, I also have a nice 4K primary monitor and I haven't experienced this problem he described with my headsets that I have. I am really confused by what he means haha, funny thought that Alyx doesn't have the issue.
I have been using 4k monitors for 4+ years at this point yet i still find the Quest 3 amazing value for money, and most titles looks pretty decent when running stand-alone on the headset. I think Dawid is being a bit too critical in this video tbh
I’ve heard good things about the Bobo strap. I’m gonna do a video where I pimp out the headset with stuff off AliExpress and I’ll see if I can get a Bobo strap in the process.
if you wanted to play assetto corsa, then I would recommend that you download content manager/Custom Shaders Patch, Pure or sol and RainFX This makes the experience much better
Assetto Corsa doesnt actually, completely look like ass, even though its old, if you drive a track that was officially included in the game, rather than choosing a modded track, and crank up the settings, it should make a decent difference in experience. Official tracks on AC are more detailed, whereas modded tracks are just scale replicas with not alot of work put into the little details.
@@LPMusicON Adding those things can be a bit of a faff which im sure he didnt have time for 😆, Nordchleife is a good example of how AC looks with max settings
@@lizaamesau8066 I'd argue that if you want to make a comprehensive video and have the best experience I'd be in order. Getting CSP/Pure/PPFilter can be done in 30 mins though it just requires going to racedepartment and finding correct links. It's funny though that he had all of those problems with Quest Link, I'm using cheapo USB3 cable for it and never had those issues. Maybe he forgot to set resolution/refresh rate in Quest app in the first place? That could explain pixely look as it defaults to like 60/70% of native res.
Half Life: Alyx is a great game. I spent an hour the first time I played on the balcony in awe. First headset was a VIVE, then I got an Index. Now, I have a Quest 2. I have the same issues with connecting to the PC via cable. It is hit or miss. MSFS2020 is also amazing with a headset. I haven't tried it yet with the Quest 2, but it truly is wonderful with the Index.
I also have Quest 2 and i just fully gave up on using cable to connect to my PC. I use Virtual Desktop app on the quest, with both the PC and wifi 6 access point connected by cable. It looks the same and works reliably all the time
Your comment could have been mine, word for word (had all those headsets :) ) I've pretty much stopped using cables, the wireless link just seems so much better and so much more freeing :)
Star Wars Squadrons is great in VR, I have dual band on my router so just dedicate a channel for the headset and run a wired connection to the PC so never bothered with trying a USB cable. Tricked out my Quest 2 with a bunch of stuff from VR Cover, replaced the face plate, strap and some stuff for the controllers that make it much more confortable to use. Don't really use it very much once the novelty wore off.
The struggle is real with link cables on the quest 2 for pcvr. Just figuring out what cable to get, first time set up and launching it every time is cumbersome. Although I do think it's worth it just to play Alyx and Skyrim VR. However, It's a so much better experience using it as a stand alone VR headset with quest games. Just put it in and go and it just works great for games like Beat Saber, Asgard's Wrath 2 and Till you fall.
I play games at 1440p ultrawide and the Quest 3 still looks good enough for me. Obviously HL Alex is a cut above, but you must have had some strangely high expectations! Try Rogue Squadron as well, that's a fab cockpit game.
Great video. I've purchased it to use mainly with a pc. Using virtual desktop (godlike settings). Hate being wired. I have a good pc and network. Visual quality and latency are perfect. They are perfect for wireless connection to the pc. I've started in VR since the beginning, and yes sure your expectations were too high for sure. What we have now available is awesome.
I think duderino needs a little perspective here. The Quest 3 is a $500 device. What it delivers is nothing short of an incredible value. I'm not impressed with his evaluation skills. After he thoroughly enjoyed Half Life: Alex, he did not go back to emphasize that his prior complaints were not limitations of the Quest.
Right. Most of what he complains about in the video are Quest 3 limitations. He's coming from high end PC gaming and bought the economy car of VR gaming and then was bothered that it performs like an economy car. All the way through the video I was thinking he'd be having a much better experience in a high end PCVR headset like the Bigscreen Beyond.
Did you turn off "foveated rendering"? (for that sharpness issue, since it will make everything "on the edge" of the screen render in lower resolution)
The first time I played Half Life: Alyx, i spent about 12 hours just gawping at the random details before even playing the game, it really is mindblowing imo :)
I opted for the valve index, and have been quite happy so far. Resolution could be a bit better, but it’s comfortable and works without any kind of connection issues whatsoever
I am no fan of Zuckerburg or Meta (FB), however I'll enthusiastically say the Quest 3 is a step in evolution above the Index. So much so that I've mothballed my Index and removed the lighthouses from my play space. The Index was great in its time, and certainly an improvement over the HTC Vive. However, there were always little technical issues with my Index and I was limited to a specific location to play in. The resolution improvement, portability, and compatibility with PC Steam games made it easy to put away my Index permanently. Beyond that, the continuous stream of improvements to features is very nice. 'Always felt like the Vive and Index were like buying a mousepad. Never any enhancements or updates.
Virtual desktop and a WiFi6e router is all you need for your use case to get the best video quality without finicking too much. Maybe a BoboVR S3 Pro strap too in order to truly wear it comfortable - you get extra battery life and a cooling fan that blows fresh air onto your eyes. Also I recommend the AMVR facial interface, much better when your face gets sweaty.
I’ve been playing VR since 2018 with my friends HTC VIVE, and from that moment on I was hooked. There are so many fun experiences and n VR, buuuut… there just isn’t enough. I truly love VR, and I have so many hours in PavlovVR, Minecraft VR, Modded Skyrim VR etc…
I'd be interested in hearing more of what you have to say. I started with a Vive in 2018 myself. Moved to an Index. Now on the Quest. My biggest disappointment is how long its taken to get to the point we're at now. I don't think it should have taken 7 or 8 years.
Try out Contractor’s Showdown. It has a pretty good progression system and fun gameplay loop. It’s tiding me over while I wait for more games to come out.
My favourite things in VR is Projects Cars 2, Elite Dangerous and Microsoft Flight sim. I have been flying in Elite in VR since 2016 when I was a first wave recipient of the HTC Vive. Fun fact, that rig from 2016 still runs with the vive, we use it for work out stuff now when its too cold. hehe. old stuff like beat saber, space pirate trainer, synth riders etc. Another fun fact, the Vive, despite its resolution and its weight, I still find enjoyable to use, its also extraordinarily reliable. That system has been running for as long as it has, and i've never had to fuss with it or reinstall windows because i couldn't get something in VR to work right. Setting up the Vive took 10 minutes and its been flawless for almost 10 years. My other headsets though, that i use on more powerful machines, yeah they've been a little fiddly but I've got it down to a pretty good science by now :) Best of luck with your VR endeavors Dawid!
my tip is to get a dedicated wifi 6/6e access point and using the virtual desktop app. it's much less buggy than the quest link app, it's wireless and often performs way better than quest link, especially with steamvr
though, for simracing i'd probably still suggest a displayport wired headset like the psvr2 or the pimax crystal. the quest streams video data in a compressed h264, h265 or av1 video stream over USB or Wi-Fi which is why there's some artifacting, in most games it's not noticeable but simracing games are a lot faster so it's more noticeable
@@MethosOhiodo you know maybe it's possible to reach near 1080p quality via HDMI link feature when using quest 3 like screen for 2D games? it's for trip. maybe in this case picture will be acceptable🤷
The PrismXR Puppies S1 is a fairly good dedicated router that connects directly to the PC and headset rather than needing an entire extra network, first time I got VR streaming working in a way I was happy with.
You know someone really doesnt know anything about VR when he buy Razer straps or vr cables but never think about the game changer that is Virtual Desktop
Tbh link cable heavily decreases latency which is pretty good in some games and if your router sucks This said, Oculus killer is also needed to skip the horrendous Oculus interface
I'm a fan of his content but I'm not sure what's going on in his head... a quick 30 second google search would reveal that quest link is trash. But no... he buys 10 different cables.
@@MacchiDola realistically, the Meta Quest Link app should not be nearly as awful as it is. it's honestly an embarrassment how poorly the headset works with SteamVR and PCVR in general. Virtual Desktop works, but I've had issues getting it to look as good as Quest Link with a 5ghz dedicated router. not sure what I'm doing wrong
1 get kiwi headstrap 2 get amvr headset cover 3 never give more money to meta than needed 4 use virtual desktop cause its better this is from some that has 4k hours in vr with quest 2, 3 :)
i got snap-in lenses with my prescription for $60 - completely worth the cost. Also - Dirt Rally has VR support, and a few driving games offer views without the steering wheel. Keep at it, you'll discover lots of ways to tweak.
I have the same issue, stuff that is far away looks like grainy and jagged, when you get closer it looks better. I think its artifacts because meta doesnt use dp, even though they could
Haven't seen any of your vids pop up on my homepage in ages Dawid. First thing that stood out to me was the hair - love it! Looks great on you. And now I have months of videos to binge :D
“I have to give ‘that guy’ my money” yea felt that and agree with you. Seems I’ll have to also get over the swallow and regurgitation of puking before I buy one.
I like how the switch is classed as a games console but not the quest 3 yes it's not a conventional one but i am willing to die on the hill saying it is since it's mainly used for gaming
Hi David. This is exactly what happens. And what almost nobody talks about or covers is that you have to install BOTH the Meta Quest Link software for Windows, where you can adjust the Resolution of the Quest 3 and the Refresh rate BUT you ALSO have to open up the HIDDEN "Oculus Debug Tool" and then further tweak cryptic, settings that aren't even well documented or explained to further increase the Video Codec, Bitrate and other graphical enhancements.
I have the same vision problems as you and discovered that I could not use it without my glasses. So I ordered some lenses that are made for it and wow it looks so good!
Getting those prescription inserts was a really good first step. Afterwards getting a strap from a company that actually knows what VR is (ie not Razer!) is a must. Finally as per what everyone else is saying getting a dedicated 5ghz WiFi 6 or 6e router (there was even 50 dollar routers which are perfect for this) and finally try pretty much any other wireless VR program! (virtual desktop being the most well known)
Jaggies are definitely more apparant in VR. Often requires absurd levels of scaling to get past necessitating a 4090, or you find a game with acceptable-ish DLAA or TAA.
When I first tried VR with a Pico 4, I had the same reaction as you, everything seems pixelated and low quality, then I go on youtube to see reviews, everyone is praising it. And I tried all the recommended settings. Thanks for confirming that i`m not crazy with this review.
As a glasses wearer who studied VR game development for a bit. It's so refreshing hearing someone talk about it being an issue with VR headsets. Those Zenny lenses would of been a god send 3 years ago.
At the 7:00 mark, and thinking to myself how bad an idea it is making a racing game your first real PCVR experience. For anyone else new to VR, racing games are basically the worst place to start. You will get sick. It will turn you off of VR. You need to get your VR legs first.
I've been playing and making VR content for a couple of years now, and you tend to just get used to how things look in VR. Just be glad you didn't start on a quest 2, it's not a bad headset by any means, but your complaints about the 3 would have been magnified by the lenses the quest 2 uses. I'm almost 50 years old, and the promise of VR that was fed to me as a child is finally here and it's pretty damn good right now for what it is.
I get so jealous when I see comments like this. People seems so happy about VD. But I always have problems with VD and never get it to work. Airlink works flawless, but VD is just a mess for me....
@@kjvirtualmotorsports you can't use the link cable with VD although it's a best way to connect your headset via Wi-Fi and it's WAY better than default Oculus-Meta software
6:57 holy sheet did dawid just heel toe on a downshift? I have truly NEVER seen another tech youtuber even know what heel toe is. This is how I was taught to drive 42 years ago and been doing it ever since. Nice!
stationary vr is definitely where its at. try some flight sims with it. I was super excited for Star Wars Squadrons (before ea shat the launch and abandoned it) to get to try it with vr. Roomie had a Vive so I was able to have a pretty awesome experience space dogfighting with it. being able to freely look around the cockpit as youre flying is wild
Dude, I gotta hand it to you. You're the only youtuber who ever makes me giggle within the video's first few seconds. "Despite being a tech youtuber since the Ottomans ruled Cairo..." lol XD
Have a Quest 2 and my absolute favourite thing to use it for is Bigscreen. I played Rocket League in it and that was pretty wild. It's a great way to play 3D movies you have as well. You can invite others to your room and share your screen as a bit more interactive "watch together" feature. It's fun.
Shooters are actually my favorite thing in VR. With the VR controllers you hold and aim the gun yourself, on a PC you're just clicking heads. Not that the latter isn't fun at all but it's really hard to go back once you've experienced it.
I’ve only had a pc for a couple months and I bought a quest 3 about a month ago and using virtual desktop gave me 0 issues to play pcvr games with high graphics and no lagging or stuttering or any setup issues, it’s just launch the app-choose pc-play
The Quest 3 is literally the best headset. Good enough display, best versatility, best cordless experience, most content either locally or streamed wireless. If you think it gets better by buying a headset that costs 8x as much you're gonna be in for a bad time.
Yes, it quite literally get's better buying a headset that costs 8x as much. Do you need that tho, no. This is all subjective and all down to the user and their needs. But EVERYONE who has compared the quality of the quest vs vision pro always picks the quest and says the cameras and display are night and day on the vision pro. Should people buy the vision pro, not really.
Well, so glad i came across your video, i am still running the Oculas CV1 and whilei still love it,the visuals are looking dated now. I have been looking at the MQ3 for sometime but your video has changed my mind completely. Why pay to have basically no better visuals than what i have already.
@@kael13 He's from Namibia originally... Close to South Africa, and a lot of ex-pat Germans live there. Accent is due to him growing up with different languages - English, maybe Afrikaans, possibly German or Dutch as well.
If you're on Meta I second what Mole said (even compared to the official elite strap). Used to go months without using my headset because it felt like an actual torture device. Tried a third part strap and almost forgot I was wearing a headset. I was using a bootleg Kiwi elite strap for the Q2 (Just buy the real Kiwi, it's only $25) but some people say the Bobo pro/plus is better
I have a reverb g2 v2 which is similar resolution and openVR and openXR helped my experience tremendously. I mainly use VR in Assetto Corsa and Dirt 2 and with CSP installed in AC and having the settings tweaked a bit it looks phenomenal on my 6800xt. Even Dirt 2 looks pretty good once you find the right resolution and 90fps balance
Somebody a little spoiled by 4K gaming. Never experienced quest so can’t say. Only have vive, But please you got to try flight sim. War thunder, DCS or IL2 before you tank officially on vr
Dawid, check out the reshade and lighting mods for Assetto Corsa. I bought it on a whim and my friends suggested a bunch of them to me and they genuinely make the game look like a modern Forza game if you combine the right ones. I love cruising in the rain in Japan in a Lamborghini Huracan!
U didnt play any quest 3 enhanced games so of course u didnt see how clear it can be If u want the clarity of the pancake lenses everybody is talking about, play walking dead saints and sinners, asgards wrath 2 and red matter 2.
the thing about VR is that everything that is build for VR has to be twice as powerful as it need to be ran on the left and the right eye. if your video is 4k on your monitor/tv, it's 2k in your headset. Also it doesn't look like it's 2k because of the POV. it's like more zoomed in so you notice a lot of the imperfections
Man, you really don't know what you're talking about. Also, BoboVR M3!!!!! I know it's just your opinion as a new VR user, but so much about this video is just plain misleading for none VR viewers.
So for PCVR I use my Valve index, sure it's not the same quality as the Quest 3, but it just works. You need a good router with Virtual Desktop to get decent PCVR and it still won't be a wired experience. There are also options to keep the cable out of the way.
@@c4ptainmerc I spent two weeks on the video. Like I said in the video, it’s not that I thought the headset was bad. VR is just a huge pain to get setup to a point where it looks good.
@@DawidDoesTechStuff My apologies. It's a fun video. But regardless of what you said, the overall tone and feeling that I personally got (as a viewer) from this video is that the Q3 is not worthwhile. I do agree with you, that it can be a pain to get up and running optimally. But once correctly setup, there is just no experience like it.
This video should be called, "How to do everything wrong with your brand new VR headset" Every mistake you made was a simple google or youtube search away, and that's why your experience was so poor.
Your seat mounts are still on backwards on your rig. High end goes to the front and low end at the rear. So it give you the adjustability to recline the seat back and forward. And of course you'll be much more comfortable.
Thanks for making this video. Been thinking about getting one of these since they were announced! Convincing my wife to let me drop 600 bucks on one has been challenging lol.
I have had a Quest 3 for 5 months. Previously owned a Quest 2. I use it for flight sims (DCS). I have never had a connectivity problem with my Quest 3 and my PC. I use a KIWI cable and a KIWI head strap. Everythig works as it should. You shoukd try a flight sim. The graphics for me are pretty darn good for the price. If you have twice the money try the new Pimax crsytal. It has better lenses and connects directly to the video card.
I had the first addition of the HTC Vive. And yes the resolution wasn’t great. But the immersion was amazing. A far cry from the dumpster fire that was the Nintendo VR set from the 80’s lol. It was every kids dream to experience a game in this way. And I absolutely loved using it. There are certainly better options now. And I’ve heard of one in particular that has the best resolution to date for half the price of the leading ones that are out now. You might want to try it.
As a huge VR nerd, I have some major suggestions.
1. Skip airlink/link cable, the compression used by Meta is frankly just terrible. Steamlink is quite good, and makes Steam VR work with little to no hassle, but Virtual Desktop is the cream of the crop, although it has a bit of a ‘learning curve’. AV1 encoding or 10 bit H.265 at higher bitrates are incredible on VD.
2. Get a dedicated router/AP just for VR, preferable a wifi 6E router. As much as it is a meme, the minions wifi 6E AP is the best bang for your buck in this department, nothing comes close price to performance wise. A stable, strong, fast connection only for VR makes a major difference.
3. If you liked Half Life Alyx, give Boneworks a try! It’ll probably make you pretty sick our first time playing it, but it is probably the best demonstration of what VR is capable of gameplay wise.
No idea if you’ll read this, but hope you give it a shot! Love what you do, and it’d be cool to see how much your experience improves when not trying to do things the ‘Meta intended way’
Hi, as a person that is doing all of those except trying Boneworks, can you tell me what you think about Bonelabs?
I keep hearing that Boneworks is much better than Labs, and i played maybe 2 hours of that on Quest 2 before i was bored.
Was just about to suggest some of these. Heard the compression Meta uses is bad and fixed via Steam from other VR content creators.
Exactly
What about Steam Link as an alternative if you can't afford Virtual Desktop, is it that worth? Need to know before I buy a dedicated router for this thing, genuine questions as I'm finally coming from a RiftS to a Quest3 and Steam Link has been okay other than my wifi being shit
@@DreamyKiley it has it's own issues, not best quality stream but it works better than the quest link app. Even on quest 2 the difference between steam and Virtual Desktop is very noticeable. (but you have to dedicate 5 hz connection to the quest on your modem and be as close as possible to it while the computer is connected with ethernet)
We all know why Dawid got VR. It's to finally be with his Waifu in the Metaverse.
Isn’t he already with his waifu in real life?
@supershadic530 Yeah. I'm just joking about how he always has his waifu PC content. Shoot. It was in his ad for the fans. Lol
Na it's more than that wink wink.
-summer lesson- VR Kanojo is waiting
You're close but it was Ana who wanted to be with her meta verse waifu
You did vr dirty by buying the Razer strap LOL
Yeah someone gave him some bad advice on that one lol.
Haha!! Yeah I learned the instant it touched my head that it was a piece of crap. I got it purely coz it looked like it might work well in a chair. I was wrong. 😂
Bobo ve makes cheaper elite straps. Well, it was cheaper than the original one for my Quest 2 anyway, hopefully the same is true for the 3. Also, at least with the one I’ve got, there’s an optional fan to make air flow between the Quest and face, avoiding fogging and keeping heat under control. Love that thing lmao
Oh great, now Anna won't see Dawid's upper face for the rest of her life
Don't get her hopes up
Is that a bug or feature?
And when he catches COVID, she won't see his lower half as well.
@@likemetoo2hahaha
@@likemetoo2 So that’s why she was so keen on me trying VR.
14:09 drawing pipi is a classic move for first time VR experience
Do it in every game that lets me 😂
It makes sense that someone with a 4k display would think it doesn't look the best but for people used to 1080, the quest looks just fine. It's not meant to be "the best headset in the world" but it's good for people looking to get into the space. I'm not trying to diss you I'm just letting other people know who maybe have never tried vr and play games casually and don't need it to be 1 to 1 from real life
You have a point. Most tech RUclipsrs eventually get out of touch once they have access to such high tech. Though, Dawid is still fun to watch. I think OptimumTech is good, too. He didn't say many negatives about VR sim racing but loves it. He gave up 2 of his expensive monitors to run VR only.
I've been playing games in 4k for around 10 years (since the r9 290x) and personally I think the quest 3 looks great. We have to remember this thing is running an arm cpu, not a rtx 4090. The performance they squeeze out of it is impressive and the 3d aspect of it takes away from it not having 4k levels of detail.
Yeah, it's always interesting to see where some people have their priorities. I personally couldn't care less how much sharper a small, flat monitor can be if I can actually BE THERE, you know? @@GrumpyWolfTech
I call it the “Nintendo switch” experience. Where graphics may be crappy. But if you only care and enjoy the gameplay. It’s actually pretty fun.
Games such as Job/vacation simulator. May have meh graphics. But the game is so much fun. You’ll forget about the crappy graphics.
The thing is, I don’t think the headset is the issue. Like I said, Half life Alyx looks amazing. So it’s clearly capable of producing awesome visuals. It’s just really difficult to get stuff to look good in VR. But you’re right, everyone is different. I just happen to be very sensitive to pixel density issues, and VR literally shoves it in your face.
Prescription inserts for my VR headset made a world of difference.
I find my slight nearsightedness (-1.0 diopter) actually is helpful in acting almost like an anti-aliasing effect. So I don't use glasses with the quest3
BoboVR strap is my choice. The battery packs help balance the weight.
I think Dawid's access to high end 4k monitors hurts his VR experience.
I second this. The bobo VR straps have been my go to.
Though, I also have a nice 4K primary monitor and I haven't experienced this problem he described with my headsets that I have. I am really confused by what he means haha, funny thought that Alyx doesn't have the issue.
I have been using 4k monitors for 4+ years at this point yet i still find the Quest 3 amazing value for money, and most titles looks pretty decent when running stand-alone on the headset. I think Dawid is being a bit too critical in this video tbh
I’ve heard good things about the Bobo strap. I’m gonna do a video where I pimp out the headset with stuff off AliExpress and I’ll see if I can get a Bobo strap in the process.
Bobovr is the most comfortable imo
The BoboVR gives me headaches.
if you wanted to play assetto corsa,
then I would recommend that you download content manager/Custom Shaders Patch, Pure or sol and RainFX
This makes the experience much better
Assetto Corsa doesnt actually, completely look like ass, even though its old, if you drive a track that was officially included in the game, rather than choosing a modded track, and crank up the settings, it should make a decent difference in experience. Official tracks on AC are more detailed, whereas modded tracks are just scale replicas with not alot of work put into the little details.
Can you not use custom shaders patch and pp filters in VR? They make it look like a completely different game
@@wohnie39 You can. Not sure why he didn't try Nordschleife or Spa with some natural looking pp-filter.
@@LPMusicON Adding those things can be a bit of a faff which im sure he didnt have time for 😆, Nordchleife is a good example of how AC looks with max settings
@@lizaamesau8066 I'd argue that if you want to make a comprehensive video and have the best experience I'd be in order. Getting CSP/Pure/PPFilter can be done in 30 mins though it just requires going to racedepartment and finding correct links. It's funny though that he had all of those problems with Quest Link, I'm using cheapo USB3 cable for it and never had those issues. Maybe he forgot to set resolution/refresh rate in Quest app in the first place? That could explain pixely look as it defaults to like 60/70% of native res.
Half Life: Alyx is a great game. I spent an hour the first time I played on the balcony in awe. First headset was a VIVE, then I got an Index. Now, I have a Quest 2. I have the same issues with connecting to the PC via cable. It is hit or miss. MSFS2020 is also amazing with a headset. I haven't tried it yet with the Quest 2, but it truly is wonderful with the Index.
I also have Quest 2 and i just fully gave up on using cable to connect to my PC. I use Virtual Desktop app on the quest, with both the PC and wifi 6 access point connected by cable.
It looks the same and works reliably all the time
Your comment could have been mine, word for word (had all those headsets :) )
I've pretty much stopped using cables, the wireless link just seems so much better and so much more freeing :)
Star Wars Squadrons is great in VR, I have dual band on my router so just dedicate a channel for the headset and run a wired connection to the PC so never bothered with trying a USB cable. Tricked out my Quest 2 with a bunch of stuff from VR Cover, replaced the face plate, strap and some stuff for the controllers that make it much more confortable to use. Don't really use it very much once the novelty wore off.
The struggle is real with link cables on the quest 2 for pcvr. Just figuring out what cable to get, first time set up and launching it every time is cumbersome. Although I do think it's worth it just to play Alyx and Skyrim VR. However, It's a so much better experience using it as a stand alone VR headset with quest games. Just put it in and go and it just works great for games like Beat Saber, Asgard's Wrath 2 and Till you fall.
@@Atropos148How's the latency?
Its all about perspective. I came to a Quest 3 from an HTC Vive. The difference between the two is night and day!
Same here, after q3 Vive seems ancient
Wait till you go from a q3 to vive pro 2
Sticking your finger in the fan 😂😂😂
Something I’ve come to learn about vr is that it’s less about the graphics as it is how well the game play pulls you in.
Right? If you are Pixel peeping you're going to have a bad time
virtual desktop and run automobilsta 2 with correct settings and it looks great. Used wired to. Virtual desktop is a must.
Absolutely this, best VR implementation of any racing game!
I play games at 1440p ultrawide and the Quest 3 still looks good enough for me. Obviously HL Alex is a cut above, but you must have had some strangely high expectations! Try Rogue Squadron as well, that's a fab cockpit game.
Great video. I've purchased it to use mainly with a pc. Using virtual desktop (godlike settings). Hate being wired. I have a good pc and network. Visual quality and latency are perfect. They are perfect for wireless connection to the pc. I've started in VR since the beginning, and yes sure your expectations were too high for sure. What we have now available is awesome.
I think duderino needs a little perspective here. The Quest 3 is a $500 device. What it delivers is nothing short of an incredible value. I'm not impressed with his evaluation skills. After he thoroughly enjoyed Half Life: Alex, he did not go back to emphasize that his prior complaints were not limitations of the Quest.
@darrcook1 Yes regarding Alyx . That fact was strange to me, too.
I highly suggest the bigscreen beyond, its essentially the next gen of vr on pc. (its expensive as hell though)
Right. Most of what he complains about in the video are Quest 3 limitations. He's coming from high end PC gaming and bought the economy car of VR gaming and then was bothered that it performs like an economy car. All the way through the video I was thinking he'd be having a much better experience in a high end PCVR headset like the Bigscreen Beyond.
Did you turn off "foveated rendering"? (for that sharpness issue, since it will make everything "on the edge" of the screen render in lower resolution)
The first time I played Half Life: Alyx, i spent about 12 hours just gawping at the random details before even playing the game, it really is mindblowing imo :)
I opted for the valve index, and have been quite happy so far. Resolution could be a bit better, but it’s comfortable and works without any kind of connection issues whatsoever
I am no fan of Zuckerburg or Meta (FB), however I'll enthusiastically say the Quest 3 is a step in evolution above the Index. So much so that I've mothballed my Index and removed the lighthouses from my play space. The Index was great in its time, and certainly an improvement over the HTC Vive. However, there were always little technical issues with my Index and I was limited to a specific location to play in. The resolution improvement, portability, and compatibility with PC Steam games made it easy to put away my Index permanently. Beyond that, the continuous stream of improvements to features is very nice. 'Always felt like the Vive and Index were like buying a mousepad. Never any enhancements or updates.
Virtual desktop and a WiFi6e router is all you need for your use case to get the best video quality without finicking too much. Maybe a BoboVR S3 Pro strap too in order to truly wear it comfortable - you get extra battery life and a cooling fan that blows fresh air onto your eyes. Also I recommend the AMVR facial interface, much better when your face gets sweaty.
I’ve been playing VR since 2018 with my friends HTC VIVE, and from that moment on I was hooked.
There are so many fun experiences and n VR, buuuut… there just isn’t enough.
I truly love VR, and I have so many hours in PavlovVR, Minecraft VR, Modded Skyrim VR etc…
I'd be interested in hearing more of what you have to say. I started with a Vive in 2018 myself. Moved to an Index. Now on the Quest. My biggest disappointment is how long its taken to get to the point we're at now. I don't think it should have taken 7 or 8 years.
Try out Contractor’s Showdown. It has a pretty good progression system and fun gameplay loop. It’s tiding me over while I wait for more games to come out.
Man the first time I tried a VR I thought the same thing. “I’ll give it a shot without my glasses”. I couldn’t see a damn thing 😂😂
My favourite things in VR is Projects Cars 2, Elite Dangerous and Microsoft Flight sim. I have been flying in Elite in VR since 2016 when I was a first wave recipient of the HTC Vive. Fun fact, that rig from 2016 still runs with the vive, we use it for work out stuff now when its too cold. hehe. old stuff like beat saber, space pirate trainer, synth riders etc. Another fun fact, the Vive, despite its resolution and its weight, I still find enjoyable to use, its also extraordinarily reliable. That system has been running for as long as it has, and i've never had to fuss with it or reinstall windows because i couldn't get something in VR to work right. Setting up the Vive took 10 minutes and its been flawless for almost 10 years. My other headsets though, that i use on more powerful machines, yeah they've been a little fiddly but I've got it down to a pretty good science by now :) Best of luck with your VR endeavors Dawid!
0:38 I've actually found a solid airflow to the face while using VR very helpful at keeping nausea away. Mainly while playing DCS or Overload
just picked up a quest 2 for $200. Decent VR is finally available to the plebs.
my tip is to get a dedicated wifi 6/6e access point and using the virtual desktop app. it's much less buggy than the quest link app, it's wireless and often performs way better than quest link, especially with steamvr
though, for simracing i'd probably still suggest a displayport wired headset like the psvr2 or the pimax crystal. the quest streams video data in a compressed h264, h265 or av1 video stream over USB or Wi-Fi which is why there's some artifacting, in most games it's not noticeable but simracing games are a lot faster so it's more noticeable
@@lexd0g When budget and otherwise versatility are not concerns, it's quite difficult to argue that the Pimax won't thoroughly deliver.
I agree 1000% with this. Don't even bother with the cable link for Quest 3. Get Virtual desktop and a good router or access point.
@@MethosOhiodo you know maybe it's possible to reach near 1080p quality via HDMI link feature when using quest 3 like screen for 2D games? it's for trip. maybe in this case picture will be acceptable🤷
I hope first time VR users seek out videos from actual VR RUclipsrs and not base their decision solely on this video.
It is a little bit of a bummer to have somebody who is a tech RUclipsr be so completely green
The PrismXR Puppies S1 is a fairly good dedicated router that connects directly to the PC and headset rather than needing an entire extra network, first time I got VR streaming working in a way I was happy with.
You know someone really doesnt know anything about VR when he buy Razer straps or vr cables but never think about the game changer that is Virtual Desktop
Bro is such a cry baby lol
Tbh link cable heavily decreases latency which is pretty good in some games and if your router sucks
This said, Oculus killer is also needed to skip the horrendous Oculus interface
Virtual desktop & an actually good strap would’ve helped him immensely lmfao
I'm a fan of his content but I'm not sure what's going on in his head... a quick 30 second google search would reveal that quest link is trash. But no... he buys 10 different cables.
@@MacchiDola realistically, the Meta Quest Link app should not be nearly as awful as it is. it's honestly an embarrassment how poorly the headset works with SteamVR and PCVR in general. Virtual Desktop works, but I've had issues getting it to look as good as Quest Link with a 5ghz dedicated router. not sure what I'm doing wrong
Are you turning into a sim racing topic creator? Sweet. I love this
1 get kiwi headstrap
2 get amvr headset cover
3 never give more money to meta than needed
4 use virtual desktop cause its better
this is from some that has 4k hours in vr with quest 2, 3 :)
i got snap-in lenses with my prescription for $60 - completely worth the cost. Also - Dirt Rally has VR support, and a few driving games offer views without the steering wheel. Keep at it, you'll discover lots of ways to tweak.
I have the same issue, stuff that is far away looks like grainy and jagged, when you get closer it looks better. I think its artifacts because meta doesnt use dp, even though they could
Oh wow, lucky you! First VR Experience playing racing game and not a single mention of dizziness!
If I had no sense of money I still wouldn't waste my money on an apple product 😂
I would love more VR videos in the future!!
David does WR Stuff
😂 I see what you did there
Haven't seen any of your vids pop up on my homepage in ages Dawid. First thing that stood out to me was the hair - love it! Looks great on you. And now I have months of videos to binge :D
The vibrating cod piece gave me a good laugh.
“I have to give ‘that guy’ my money” yea felt that and agree with you. Seems I’ll have to also get over the swallow and regurgitation of puking before I buy one.
I like how the switch is classed as a games console but not the quest 3 yes it's not a conventional one but i am willing to die on the hill saying it is since it's mainly used for gaming
You should of shoved a hotdog into the fan! Haha
Hi David. This is exactly what happens. And what almost nobody talks about or covers is that you have to install BOTH the Meta Quest Link software for Windows, where you can adjust the Resolution of the Quest 3 and the Refresh rate BUT you ALSO have to open up the HIDDEN "Oculus Debug Tool" and then further tweak cryptic, settings that aren't even well documented or explained to further increase the Video Codec, Bitrate and other graphical enhancements.
That’s why there are more pleasant applications like Steamlink and Virtual Desktop.
the meta isn't particularly interested in pcvr
@spaghebbiohe never showed it he messed with settings in the meta app itself. As that made the biggest difference for me.
I have the same vision problems as you and discovered that I could not use it without my glasses. So I ordered some lenses that are made for it and wow it looks so good!
i have a quest 2 now and ive never had any issues with the resolution considering my first headset was the original vive 😂
Same here, even the quest 1 over airlink is worlds better than the OG vive.
Getting those prescription inserts was a really good first step. Afterwards getting a strap from a company that actually knows what VR is (ie not Razer!) is a must. Finally as per what everyone else is saying getting a dedicated 5ghz WiFi 6 or 6e router (there was even 50 dollar routers which are perfect for this) and finally try pretty much any other wireless VR program! (virtual desktop being the most well known)
Jaggies are definitely more apparant in VR. Often requires absurd levels of scaling to get past necessitating a 4090, or you find a game with acceptable-ish DLAA or TAA.
When I first tried VR with a Pico 4, I had the same reaction as you, everything seems pixelated and low quality, then I go on youtube to see reviews, everyone is praising it.
And I tried all the recommended settings.
Thanks for confirming that i`m not crazy with this review.
Reminded me about me installing a heck of the mods on Skyrim VR in order to make it playable and ending up not playing it at all
As a glasses wearer who studied VR game development for a bit. It's so refreshing hearing someone talk about it being an issue with VR headsets.
Those Zenny lenses would of been a god send 3 years ago.
At the 7:00 mark, and thinking to myself how bad an idea it is making a racing game your first real PCVR experience. For anyone else new to VR, racing games are basically the worst place to start. You will get sick. It will turn you off of VR. You need to get your VR legs first.
I've been playing and making VR content for a couple of years now, and you tend to just get used to how things look in VR. Just be glad you didn't start on a quest 2, it's not a bad headset by any means, but your complaints about the 3 would have been magnified by the lenses the quest 2 uses. I'm almost 50 years old, and the promise of VR that was fed to me as a child is finally here and it's pretty damn good right now for what it is.
I am so confused why you have the gear shifter on the left but you play with a lhd car
Me too :)))
if he would be British I would understand...
Honestly bobovr makes some good straps
Praise all mighty virtual desktop
I get so jealous when I see comments like this. People seems so happy about VD. But I always have problems with VD and never get it to work. Airlink works flawless, but VD is just a mess for me....
What's so great about VD? Any benefits when using a link cable?
@@kjvirtualmotorsports No, absolutely none!
@@kjvirtualmotorsports you can't use the link cable with VD although it's a best way to connect your headset via Wi-Fi and it's WAY better than default Oculus-Meta software
BRO FRUIT NINJA WITH PCVR LOOKS SOOOO AWESOME!!
Video suggestion - try Rift S or Quest 1 after Quest 3.
You cant see jaggies when theres not enough pixels :D
6:57 holy sheet did dawid just heel toe on a downshift? I have truly NEVER seen another tech youtuber even know what heel toe is. This is how I was taught to drive 42 years ago and been doing it ever since. Nice!
i liked the video before the intro was ended
stationary vr is definitely where its at. try some flight sims with it. I was super excited for Star Wars Squadrons (before ea shat the launch and abandoned it) to get to try it with vr. Roomie had a Vive so I was able to have a pretty awesome experience space dogfighting with it. being able to freely look around the cockpit as youre flying is wild
'Dawid Does Disappointment'...that's what I'm calling it from now on!
Aww boo why?
@@AnnaDoes I wanted him to love it! I also wanted Daddy to love me, but...
@@johnbeaton1076 That's fair!! He also wanted to love it. Everyone made it out to be so epic.. he just got his expectations way too high :D
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Dude, I gotta hand it to you. You're the only youtuber who ever makes me giggle within the video's first few seconds. "Despite being a tech youtuber since the Ottomans ruled Cairo..." lol XD
Did you increase bitrate in the quest debug program? People suggest 750-950. You can't type it in raw so you have to copy paste the numbers yourself.
This. I have no idea why Meta chose to set the bitrate so damned low as default. It really does make a difference.
Max to type in is 500 but do you actually see any difference then you go higher?
He did this in the video
Have a Quest 2 and my absolute favourite thing to use it for is Bigscreen. I played Rocket League in it and that was pretty wild. It's a great way to play 3D movies you have as well.
You can invite others to your room and share your screen as a bit more interactive "watch together" feature. It's fun.
Shooters are actually my favorite thing in VR. With the VR controllers you hold and aim the gun yourself, on a PC you're just clicking heads.
Not that the latter isn't fun at all but it's really hard to go back once you've experienced it.
If you want to play a vr game that is like fallout or stalker i would recommend trying into the radius.
You need to play Flight Simulator 2020 in VR mode for a real holy crap moment
This is it. Stop messing around with race sims in VR with a Quest. MSFS is the benchmark.
Also you need rtx 4090 to run it on somewhat high setting lol.
Yeah, I can see him trying out the different mids like the switch shell mods with Quest also change the strap.
The PSVR2 doohicky for PC is released in the mean-time, but it doesn't do HDR, haptics, and a couple of other things.
Whats the point than
Just picked up one of these. A lot of fun.
Dawid!!!! why didnt you release this video 2 weeks ago, Before I bought my first vr headset!!! I encountered the exact same issue as you're having.
have you tried screen mod? maybe quality is not so bad in this case and more near 1080p?
I’ve only had a pc for a couple months and I bought a quest 3 about a month ago and using virtual desktop gave me 0 issues to play pcvr games with high graphics and no lagging or stuttering or any setup issues, it’s just launch the app-choose pc-play
The Quest 3 is literally the best headset. Good enough display, best versatility, best cordless experience, most content either locally or streamed wireless. If you think it gets better by buying a headset that costs 8x as much you're gonna be in for a bad time.
Yes, it quite literally get's better buying a headset that costs 8x as much. Do you need that tho, no. This is all subjective and all down to the user and their needs. But EVERYONE who has compared the quality of the quest vs vision pro always picks the quest and says the cameras and display are night and day on the vision pro. Should people buy the vision pro, not really.
Virtual desktop and a WiFi 6 router makes it the perfect pc vr headset. Fully wireless with close to no latency.
Well, so glad i came across your video, i am still running the Oculas CV1 and whilei still love it,the visuals are looking dated now. I have been looking at the MQ3 for sometime but your video has changed my mind completely. Why pay to have basically no better visuals than what i have already.
Definitely a case of someone going into VR with unreal expectations.
welcome to simracing homie, it's crazy addictive
Why do you have the gear shifter on the left side? That's not where they are in Canadian cars. Are you a British or Aussie expat or something?
Personally cant make heads or tails of his accent! Seems oddly scandinavian/dutch/german.
@@kael13 He's from Namibia originally...
Close to South Africa, and a lot of ex-pat Germans live there.
Accent is due to him growing up with different languages - English, maybe Afrikaans, possibly German or Dutch as well.
5:56 those r completely random jokes that i can't see coming 😂😂😂
I haven't been able to use my VR headset. Feels like its tryna crush my skull, just to get it clear.
Metas default headstraps are awful. Third party one's tend to be necessary rather than optional.
If you're on Meta I second what Mole said (even compared to the official elite strap). Used to go months without using my headset because it felt like an actual torture device. Tried a third part strap and almost forgot I was wearing a headset. I was using a bootleg Kiwi elite strap for the Q2 (Just buy the real Kiwi, it's only $25) but some people say the Bobo pro/plus is better
I have a reverb g2 v2 which is similar resolution and openVR and openXR helped my experience tremendously. I mainly use VR in Assetto Corsa and Dirt 2 and with CSP installed in AC and having the settings tweaked a bit it looks phenomenal on my 6800xt. Even Dirt 2 looks pretty good once you find the right resolution and 90fps balance
Somebody a little spoiled by 4K gaming. Never experienced quest so can’t say. Only have vive,
But please you got to try flight sim. War thunder, DCS or IL2 before you tank officially on vr
Dawid, check out the reshade and lighting mods for Assetto Corsa. I bought it on a whim and my friends suggested a bunch of them to me and they genuinely make the game look like a modern Forza game if you combine the right ones.
I love cruising in the rain in Japan in a Lamborghini Huracan!
Dave shifts with the wrong hand lol.
Indeed
RHD
@@some-replies yes, I've been driving 25 yrs I know it's rhd lol. It's usually the joke between colonial UK countries and 99% of the world haha.
Dawid always makes his sponsored promo stuff actually worth watching, you're making a mistake if you skip them. trust me xD
Dawid, don't forget the IPD slider on the bottom of the headset.
He suggests measuring your IPD and setting it accordingly in the video, so I doubt he forgot lol
@@Louis-wq6ih My bad! I missed that part!
ok he pulled out the freaking car.. now I'm hyped.
U didnt play any quest 3 enhanced games so of course u didnt see how clear it can be
If u want the clarity of the pancake lenses everybody is talking about, play walking dead saints and sinners, asgards wrath 2 and red matter 2.
the thing about VR is that everything that is build for VR has to be twice as powerful as it need to be ran on the left and the right eye. if your video is 4k on your monitor/tv, it's 2k in your headset. Also it doesn't look like it's 2k because of the POV. it's like more zoomed in so you notice a lot of the imperfections
Man, you really don't know what you're talking about. Also, BoboVR M3!!!!!
I know it's just your opinion as a new VR user, but so much about this video is just plain misleading for none VR viewers.
So for PCVR I use my Valve index, sure it's not the same quality as the Quest 3, but it just works.
You need a good router with Virtual Desktop to get decent PCVR and it still won't be a wired experience.
There are also options to keep the cable out of the way.
Sounds more like a you issue tbh.
I got a Quest 3 a few weeks ago and think the same. I don't have barely any problems at all. It's a decent VR headset.
seems like he was just rushing to make this video, rather than looking into how to optimize the Q3 PCVR experience
What's the best vr headset for pc?
@@c4ptainmerc I spent two weeks on the video. Like I said in the video, it’s not that I thought the headset was bad. VR is just a huge pain to get setup to a point where it looks good.
@@DawidDoesTechStuff My apologies. It's a fun video. But regardless of what you said, the overall tone and feeling that I personally got (as a viewer) from this video is that the Q3 is not worthwhile. I do agree with you, that it can be a pain to get up and running optimally. But once correctly setup, there is just no experience like it.
Love my quest 3 for pc VR. HL alyx is amazing and after the fall
This video should be called, "How to do everything wrong with your brand new VR headset" Every mistake you made was a simple google or youtube search away, and that's why your experience was so poor.
Your seat mounts are still on backwards on your rig. High end goes to the front and low end at the rear. So it give you the adjustability to recline the seat back and forward. And of course you'll be much more comfortable.
Thanks for making this video. Been thinking about getting one of these since they were announced! Convincing my wife to let me drop 600 bucks on one has been challenging lol.
Top tip; clip a 5metre builders tape on the back of the stock strap. It helps balance it, and you also don't need to have it so tight.
I have had a Quest 3 for 5 months. Previously owned a Quest 2. I use it for flight sims (DCS). I have never had a connectivity problem with my Quest 3 and my PC. I use a KIWI cable and a KIWI head strap. Everythig works as it should. You shoukd try a flight sim. The graphics for me are pretty darn good for the price. If you have twice the money try the new Pimax crsytal. It has better lenses and connects directly to the video card.
I had the first addition of the HTC Vive. And yes the resolution wasn’t great. But the immersion was amazing. A far cry from the dumpster fire that was the Nintendo VR set from the 80’s lol. It was every kids dream to experience a game in this way. And I absolutely loved using it. There are certainly better options now. And I’ve heard of one in particular that has the best resolution to date for half the price of the leading ones that are out now. You might want to try it.