Drinker's Chasers - Cancellations, Layoffs And Contractions: Hollywood In Collapse
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- Опубликовано: 12 апр 2024
- Hollywood writers and showrunners are now taking up jobs as bartenders and doordashers just to make ends meet as the industry contracts drastically.
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Funny. The writers went on strike in 2023 just to be out of a job in 2024.
Oh well.
How is it funny? Wierd funny or haha funny? Cuz it aint weird, that been the end result of Unions since their inception. The autoworkers union used to be one of the most powerful, most effective unions in the world. So effective, it became cheaper to build ports on the other side of the planet and dig up dino-juice to power massive fleets of cargo ships in order to transport cars halfway around the world, than it is to pay an American worker.
Most definitely haha funny of course. Plebs are stupid.
Strikes is part of the 2024 political funds raising campaign for the union to their devoted party 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ and their very smart member didn’t know the crazy prerequisites an indie producer will have to deal with 😮before hiring them. These are intelligent people, they should learn how to wait table, clean table, clean the toilet bowl, throw garbage, etc. Regular jobs will help them to grow.
And they came back and did 10 episodes of a popular TV series then
called it quits for the summer........what a difficult job ( LOL ).
Same with UPS in the delivery industry
Nothing of value was lost anyway lmao
The one comment about being a "even being a queer POC and not being able to get a job" says more than they wanted it to. It's a sign that companies are starting to realize they literally can't afford to just hire based on those things because they aren't making money. It's almost as if now there will have to be decisions based on merit and profitability.
It also speaks to the fact that people know, or at least expect, that they can get jobs based on their color, gender, and / or their sexual preferences.
I was going to say the same thing. I'm a white gay man and don't expect people to bend over backwards because I tick a box. I expect them to hire me or fire me based on my ability to do my job and my consistency in that job. Now if she was a queer person of colour producing material that was great and we all wanted to watch then you go girl. But producing crap and expecting it to be bought and made just because of some diversity quota is not going to fly outside of a very small bubble.
It also shows that everything they went on strike for completely blew up in their face. They demanded that an actor, animator, and writers be exactly the same type of demographic that they are portraying/drawing/writing which makes it impossible for studios to hire for anything other than simple characteristics. It is much easier to hire generic white guy then look for the golden goose darklesbian with a disability. So she will never find work unless a project specifically calls for her lottery of identity politics
I'll guarantee all her material involved a proxy character that just has to remind the audience they're queer and coloured.
@@mrgraham5521 Absolutely this! It's getting harder to blame them sometimes. Why *should* they try harder when they can just win by existing?
People are watching the "old stuff" because it IS better.
And better yet, there's practically an unlimited supply of it- no one will ever watch every old thing that's worth watching. I have a mate who's hobby is to google search the phrase "cult classic of " and watch the top 3 results. He claims he's yet to be dissappointed.
When I watch TV, its frequently Forensic Files or the older episodes of Law and Order or movies prior to 2015-ish.
The old bad stuff is better to what we now get an that saying something,
Old stuff was allowed to be funny and shocking instead of safe and inoffensive.
Hell yea. Like chappelle show, aqua teen hunger force, hell even The Office had hilariously inappropriate earlier episodes. Michael called Oscar “faggy” and apologized for in the episode. Shit was hilarious
Re: the quote from the Breitbart article - _"“As a showrunner who is a queer woman of color and I can't get work? That's saying a lot."_
Interesting. That sounds like like an admission that "white privilege" is a hoax.
I think she just accidently said the quiet part out loud.
I don’t think it’s so much a “quiet part” as it is the truth that the mainstream media has been desperately trying to avoid talking about for decades while the rest of the public has recognized it for a long time.
Freudian slip
Naw, it's just evidence if you needed it that queer poc are not idiots.
If the world is saying "we think people like you are special let us throw money at you" why would you not let them?
What it sounds like to me is someone who went in with eyes wide open about how their labels could be leveraged.
Not really any different to the studio money men. Burke from aliens, tom cruise from tropic thunder, meryl streep from devil wears Prada: cynical people who embrace their cynicism and make bank as a result.
DEI--Didn’t Earn It. Merit over check boxes. Things will collapse, airlines, hospitals, transportation in general, the electric grid, the military, etc. will have dangerous failures based on putting folks with no skills but ideological woke BS and we will all suffer for it.
Imagine the same sentence uttered by ... a doctor, a carpenter or ... a plumber. Would you not wonder "WHAT ON EARTH... does the first part of the statement have to do ... with employability?".
4:25 "As queer woman of color, I can't get work..." I think you just answered your own question. People are sick of your 'identity" crap! The check-boxes have been chucked.
Also shows entitlement and PRIVILEGE!
@@findmeinthecarpet Exactly!
By saying that, she's admitting that she can't write broad characters that can be understood and appeal to everybody across the planet, she can only write queer women of color characters specifically targeting the demographic of... queer women of color, that live in California and exist in a far left-wing bubble. Since that's all she knows and can't think any other way. Why appeal to millions when you can appeal to hundreds?
Time best person for the job not a useless box ticker to look good for the brand.
Hollywood have no one to blame but their own relentless activist preaching. Sounds like justice to me.
That is the Free Market at its best: what folks don't want, they don't buy. If the Customer doesn't buy your crap, you can't continue to produce the same crap.
@@Objective-Observer True, but they will evade this by claiming that it was streaming services and anything but the real cause.
Problem is they can't change Discrimination Laws... And that's what need to change to clear these Activist corporate terrorists out.
I think they would have fired the talented people anyway for cheaper ones, just think about Boeing. Wild capitalism.
People like Drinker suggested this would happen years ago, but as usual, Hollywood are the last to figure it out.
"Even me, a queer WoC". Either she is self aware enough to realise that those cards got her jobs in the past, or so out of touch she genuinely doesnt understand why she's not owed work anymore.
Its genuinely impressive how the established writers used that union strike to protect themselves and their friends at the cost of the newer members.
Perhaps if she she was a writer who happens to be a queer WoC rather than a queer WoC who happens to be a writer, she’d have more luck getting a writing job rather than a queer WoC job.
Isn't that the main goal of most workers' strikes though? To freeze the industry as it is, at least until the retirement of the current workforce?
Probably wouldn't be having these problems if she was there on merit in the first place. Just saying.
More or less, assuming it is run by a large established union at least. Smaller ones are generally smart enough to focus on specific issues rather than seizing control of an entire industry as a whole....
The "I'll never forgive Hollywood" suggests she is incredibly entitled and not at all self aware.
If the “entertainment” industry would get back to entertaining instead of reeducation people would buy it.
They think they're too good to play to a broad audience so they'd rather preach to a nonexistent one instead.
"Entertainment" has always been about "reeducation",at least post-Industrial revolution:
What to wear,what to drive,what TV to buy,what brand of smokes,what brand of drinks,what brand of soap,toothpaste,dental floss,
mouthwash and ad nauseam -
to them we're nothing more than walking advertisements and endless wallets to spend on their products until we die,
now rinse,and repeat. 🤨
@@zacharymcmillan2788 you’ve struck at the heart of the problem. You need to broaden your definition of entertainment. There are plenty of sources that aren’t tied to Madison Avenue. When you define entertainment as the shit broadcast at your face to sell toothpaste, automobiles or ridiculous political ideologies you give these talentless hacks and the soulless corporations funding them power over you.
We are not creating new things in the last 20 years. There are so few talented people in power in Hollywood today that it's a shame. Bob Eiger was the WEATHERMAN. He wasn't a director, a screen writer, a creative performer. Kathleen Kennedy isn't talented. She's just been talent adjacent. You hire a writer the dame as you hire craft services. Even then, the story is just a suggestion and not the point of the movie.
@@kurtl8425 Bullship. NO ONE WANTS TO WORK FOR FREE. IF YOU LOSE THE ADVERSTISING, THEN YOU GET TO WATCH ONLY WHAT THE GINORMOUS MONEY MEN WANT YOU TO SEE.
Bill Gates wants the authority to FORCE everyone to take every vaxxine he is paying for. He wants us all to EAT BUGS AND NOTHING ELSE, BECAUSE HUMANS AND OUR NEED FOR FOOD IS DESTROYING THE PLANET. Gates now owns more farm land and any other individual in the nation, but he isn't farming with that farm land. DO YOU REALLY WANT THE SOLE SOURCE OF YOUR ENTERTAINMENT COMING FROM MEN LIKE BILL GATES OR GEORGE SOROS... BOTH MASTERMINDS OF PROPAGANDA? That would be no different that Chinese TV produced by the CCP.
Entertainment is already quite broad, and YOU DON'T EVEN SEE IT. Americans love their sports and partcipating in those sports as amateurs. We also enjoy hunting, or just plain target shooting; and boating, skiing, and mountain climbing and hiking, and camping and and and. Folks who don't live in the big cities, have been outside for entertainment for hundreds of years. When decent TV was moved to Cable and you had to pay extra for it, the rural folks couldn't afford to pay for it, and just stopped watching anything more than the evening news and Johnny Carson at bed time.
It's the POST MILLENIALS THAT HAVE STOPPED GOING OUTSIDE, AND WERE RAVENOUS CONSUMERS OF THAT WOKE PROPAGANDA. And Suddenly, they've discovered what Good Hollywood looked like and are just now watching the better tv shows and movies from 20 to 50 years ago. So, there is hope for them, yet, and their re-education could get them back to normal, rational, thought.
I just don’t have it in me to care that all these woke activists and strikers now can’t find jobs, after spending years saying the audience was the problem.
And the executives in panic now too; they're now experiencing what the rest of us have and I cannot muster any sympathy for them among the activists.
They HAD a massive fan base, the fans gave them their massive paychecks but they hate things that made the industry so successful snd attacked those fans so...goodbye to the industry. The former fans moved on.
@@carried9130what will replace them?
@@carried9130yeah finally the actual cause of these problems are suffering for their terrible decisions.
I'm still shocked at how many conversations there are where they try work all this out and not one mention woke activists...
The other side seem to think
"What does woke mean" is the same gotcha like matt Walsh's "so what is a woman" ...
Ha. And the funniest part is when I try to explain it , it gets deleted by you tube?
I think I'm banned from mentioning the w word??? 😂😂😂
When you're not even allowed to acknowledge what the real problem is, there is a 0% chance that you're gonna fix it.
The real problem is not only the small or medium size people, the writers, the producers etc but also the executives, owners and stakeholders for forcing the industry to adopt certain concepts, beliefs and ideas that are directly responsible for the declining quality and viewership
Hollywood is suffering because of directives that came from above
And what is that real problem.... oh yea it's obviously WOKE.
Uh huh. Yea, that's it. Of course.
/boggle
@@henrythegreatamerican8136Define "woke".
@@gfys756 I keep seeing this over and over again from people trying to gaslight other people into the idea that what we experience has no bearing on reality. That we are imagining things.
So why dont YOU go ahead and define it since you are clearly an adept? Teach us the meaning of that word
"Oh no, what happened? Oh no, how terrible! That's just awful, how terrible oh no!"
Can't read this without gearing Dank's voice.
Aye nye!
Anyway... 😂
Anyway
If you're a European screenwriter, now is the chance! I'm an indie screenwriter and I never had this many chances to pitch my projects before while at the same time building a channel. People are hungry for new blood and studios are actively looking outside of Hollywood. I had good luck at European film markets. Hollywood writers brought this on themselves.
Lucky you I'm writing different stories and I never pitch it to Hollywood and going indie.
@@Slyarno2795Unfortunately, a few of my features need the capital Hollywood has. But I'm playing with the idea of adapting them as graphic novels. Either way, it's a wild time. I always thought I'd need a rep to ever have these meetings (guess not). Just a good lawyer and some leg work at the film markets. We're in interesting times 😅
@NarrativeArcade We sure are and if a meeting comes in mind I'll need some help to explain my stories.
If it's okay, where do you put your ideas? I've written two feature screenplays and have a bachelor's degree in film. I'm just looking for a connection or a step in the right direction
@@ImaginationStudios123 I wish to have a film degree and have interesting ideas as well to tell a smart and engaging story.
"I'm a queer woman of color and I can't get a job"
"I've won 3 Emmies for my work and I can't get a job"
Anyone else see a huge difference in the 2 statements??
Kinda loses “oomph” when you realize prizes are given due to the attached politics of it, though.
Yes, we don't care if you are gay, we don't care if you are a POC....we care about writers penning a creative and compelling storyline.....perhaps she or Hector whatever should write narratives for BLM or Antifa, no sympathy for her/ it/ him/beep.
"People don't like our HR rhetoric so we'll put our HR rhetoric in things people do like, and that will force them to like our HR rhetoric!"
"What if the rhetoric puts them off all the IPs we buy instead?"
"Nahhh, it'll be fine."
The pendulum has swung so far that current generation is just putting the cover back on the pendulum.
Interesting way to phrase this mess I like it
"Heyyy HR? HR, would like to speak with you in their office about the language & behavior your department is engaged in...." 😂
It's amazing that some people are still in denial that Hollywood is in trouble.
They are the MLM Agents of fans…
I used to love going to the movies in the 90s. There were sometimes too many that I wanted to see. Now it’s rare that any new movies interest me. Sad
They are frogs in the slowly boiling pot of water. They won't know until it's too late.
Same. I noticed around ten, maybe fifteen years ago. I use to watch the abundance of movies available in the late 90s to 00s. Now it's years in between movies and there's still nothing to entice me. I actually kind of miss the experience.
It's amazing that some people are still in denial that Hollywood IS trouble and at the very core of everything going wrong with our culture. McCarthy was right, but also far too mild and unfortunately not successful enough.
Speaking of going back to the classics, how many are going back to collecting physical media (Bluray, DVD) of their favourite movies & TV shows? I know I am. I've almost given up on streaming services and my Bluray collection is ballooning.
I didn't stop collecting DVDs and Blu Rays, everyone else was saying streaming is the future, I just laughed and carried on. Funny thing is that some DVDs and Blu Rays are becoming rare now because barely anyone was interested in buying them, I think 4K is the new Collectable Vinyl of modern times.
I collect the classics on DVD where I can
You don't need physical copies. Just put them all on a hard drive. I have every episode of classic Doctor who up to capaldi. Every episode of Star Trek ever made every Star Trek. Movie ever made ever really Star Wars movie ever made. Like I can put on my media player on random and literally be watching s*** that I like for a year and a 1/2 and never once see a f****** repeat. I don't know what everybody's problem is. Just download it or burn it or whatever or rip it and just put it on a f****** hard drive. It's simple, you stop b******* about all this. It's like you do realize that we have been b******* Pissing and moaning. Since Star Wars, the last jedi came out since 2016. Dude, like it's getting old. They're gonna keep doing what they do. Nothing anybody says is going to change that. So just stop going to the movies. Stop watching the b******* TV shows they make stop getting merge. Stop doing all that s*** and make them go broke. There's thousands and thousands of hours worth of stuff. That can be watched and played and listen to and read. Just walk the f*** away and stop b******* so much. Because hearing the people on our side. Just constantly everyday droning on about the same b******* is just as tiresome. As them doing it on their side, it's just as tiresome. As all the preaching and all the woke b******* Just let it go and walk the f*** away. That's what grown mature adults do
@@prestigemultimediagroup6436 seems like you’re the one who needs to just walk the f*** away.
@@prestigemultimediagroup6436grown mature adults don't do piracy
To quote, of all people, Rachel Zegler, "That's Hollywood, baby!"
I'm sure she'll be able to make a decent living flying to & from Columbia doing "transportation work" instead. Just don't ask her to jump up & down too vigorously 😂
As a famous US president once told coal miners in WV...'Learn to code...'
Abe Lincoln was truly revolutionary
Little Platoon nailed it when he remarked that younger generations, instead of having nothing to call their own, have twitch and tiktok. An endless flow of fleeting shimmers, and i think it perfectly fits this age of the 6 second attention span, where putting real effort into something is pretty fucking rare.
The fact that Russell T Davies still has a job is amazing to me
People thought we would get the old RTD, not the ultra woke, full blown gay one we actually got
I would say they guy was a full blown wokie back then. The difference was people acknowledged you also had to be entertaining or no one would watch to get the message.
I don't think he will by the end of the year. My predictions for the new season of Dr who is that the ratings will be rock bottom.. lower than they've ever been
Really !? He owns the production company he works for and you're amazed he has a job
There were like 500+ shows a year getting made, and they wanted all of them to have a writer's room of at least 10 people (with quotas for DIE). No wonder standards were so low and that a lot of hacks are about to go broke.
And why this year there were something like 5 pilots being shown, people are watching old media like Seinfeld not new shows
How do you even write something decent with 10 people at once? Imagine your favorite literature classics being written by 10 randoms instead of their original author...
@@MartopikeurThe Office had a writers room and it turned out pretty good. It also had an Indian woman, a few Jewish men, and a white woman. There were 6 of them in season 2
@@Martopikeur It'd require people who collectively know what their audience is, sharing a vision and goal. That's... really not easy to assemble.
Studios should probably just hire 50 writers and keep them on contract permanently (sharing them between shows) to eliminate the need to hire someone for three months and having to pay them enough to last until their next paycheque. Thing is, if you look back, there were musicians and actors and writers who were good enough to produce decent product in different genres. By contrast, modern hollywood seems borderline incapable of producing a decent film in ANY genre.
Writing as a gig means that maybe you get one job and think you've made it. If you were just an employee, then you'd get stability and experience, rather than have 1000 waiters periodically able to get a writing gig and quitting their day jobs.
My wife and I are watching through Stargate SG1 again.
It holds up surprisingly well!!
It's crazy a show like that.Could film on a different planet in almost every episode, but modern-day crap can't get out of the green screen room.
I recently rewatched the entire 10 seasons, one of the best sci fi tv shows of all time, it holds up extremely well.
I started on Atlantis and it's a slog, doesn't hold up as well as sg1.
For me it'd bsg, farscape, Andromeda s1 then ds9 :) there is a nice selection of Sci fi
@scatterthewinds3126 Yes, indeed!! And with Farscape is an SG1 connection, too, with Ben Broweder and Claudia Black.
You know they didn't actually film on different planets every episode right? ;)
@@scatterthewinds3126 I never really watched DS9 fully but I am slowly working my way through it now. Also just finished watching the original series (I had always just watched the movies).
Budget cuts and DEI are top reasons for why "entertainment" has been declining. There is another major factor though, that has yet to be discussed---the co-opting of our school system. I can remember this starting back in the 1970's. Suddenly, in school, "Individuality", "Creativity", and "Imagination" were seen as negative traits to be punished. Imagination and Creativity were beaten out of school children. Success in school become solely dependent upon "following the herd". Corporations would no longer hire bright, creative people, as such people would "rock the boat".
Gen X was the first to suffer under this oppression. And, it has only gotten worse with each successive generation. By the late 90's, the market for unique clothing and artistic items had dropped dramatically. The new trend was to be just like everyone else---a walking stereotype. After 2000, the lack of new creative talent began to show in Hollywood, with more sequels, prequels, remakes, and rehashes. Even if we reversed these trends today, it would still take two decades to see improvement. True, there are still intelligent, creative people out there. But, they turned their backs on society, long ago.
Honestly what you say is true I'm one of them people hard to find not part of follow The herd or being woke.
Individual and a cynical and the critical thinker being awake since I was born I see things differently because I am dyslexia harder for me to read but I look at this way a good thing don't have Facebook or Twitter account if I did just ending up like Gen-z wasting their time on social media becoming brainless and lethargic idiot cannot think for myself the internet and influencers think for me how to hate people without reasons or common sense.
Those are some really good points.
Oppenheimer's not a franchise? Hot damn, I was looking forward to Oppenheimer vs Godzilla 😢 \m/
Not before they make Jason vs Godzilla lol
Oppenheimer vs Heisenberg would be amazing.
Just watch Godzilla Minus one after Oppenheimer. It could easily be it's sequel 😜
Sequel: Eddy Teller: Hydro-bomb Daddy!
@@maryapple7108Agreed. Can’t wait to do that.
"You reap what you sow."
In my opinion, this summs up the situation quite nicely.
"You shit in your bed, NOW LAY IN IT"
less poetic, but more accurate 😂
Writers and showrunners can always "learn to code."
Actually AI is exceptional at writing code, it's one area that it's actually useful
@@mragin It amazes that that surprises people. Code is a machine language. Of COURSE machines would be better at speaking it than us.
@@mragin The problem is that it can create anything most people would want. Such as a fully functional .exe with .dlls all packed neatly in a folder, or nodeJS stuff. You can get pieces and put it togheter yourself. Somewhat harder if this is a person that doesn't know how to code.
Let them eat cake.
Because, as Nerdrotic would say, "we need women in STEM!!"
5 1/2 years at a VFX house in LA, and was laid off on - wait for it - April 1st. Honestly, given how long things have been so damned slow, I'm grateful they held onto so many of us for so long. I started making escape plans last year, so the recent layoffs came as no surprise. Rather, this enforced opportunity shouts: Go Do Your Own Thing. After all, what better proof is there that Hollywood hasn't a clue than a self-inflicted, Industry-wide Depression, eh?
dang bro... that hurts :(
this is what i despise of executives and their retarded desicion making: inocent people pay the price of their idiotic D.I.E doctrine
luckily, your experience will help you get on your feet easy
@@theALTF4 They're like politicians... they never seem to suffer from their own failed policies -
Go do your own thing indeed. Trying to be a part of the Hollywood machine now feels like tying your rowboat to the Titanic as it's going down.
@@slicedtopieces Well said! A little money + a lot of talent tends to fare better than a lot of money + little-to-no talent.
I’ve started The X-Files on Hulu. Having never watched it I’m enjoying the practical effects.
I hope you're watching the 1993-2002 original run, and not the 2016-18 revival!
We all saw this coming. I'm shocked how out of touch Hollywood workers are. When the actors & writers did their strike, we all said, this will end badly! They didn't listen. Now I wonder if there's enough Starbucks to employ all these people?
People need food, clothing, and shelter. We don't NEED anything that Hollywood currently produces. We can always do a million other things for leisure time-- older movies/tv, books, RUclips, video games (although the AAA gaming industry is infected by the "mind virus" and is crashing). That's just media consumption; think about all the non-media hobbies that exist.
Exactly! The industry's decline means my hobby budget got much bigger.
I got into good audio dramas (fiction podcasts)
@@markmunroe-hz8rf Interesting you mentioned this as I hear those are getting better and better. Audio stories aren't my usual thing- I prefer reading over audiobooks and I thought these were very similar, but I'm curious. And I enjoy some podcasts and streams. What are your top 3 recommendations?
@@carried9130 audio dramas are like old school radio shows, but modern and you can listen to them on your smart device. What I like about fiction podcasts is that you can use your imagination.
What're favorite genres so I might recommend? Thanks
@markmunroe-hz8rf My favorite genres are sci-fi, fantasy, urban fantasy, a small amount of horror and detective stories. Thanks for asking.
What genres are you into?
I definitely like the imagination aspect, it's part of why I love reading so much. During a good story, I forget that I'm reading words on a page and visualize so much of the story. It's part of why I don't enjoy most movies or tv based on books; they don't come close.
Self inflicted damage across your industry. Now comes the reconing.🤣🤣🤣
ChatGPT might not write well, but at least it won't insult me
I like it when AI writers accidentally tell on other people for me.
(I learned more about other people's fetishes via weird Novel AI/AI Dungeon associations than I did from a lifetime of corn consumption.)
Good Point 😏🌝👍👍
It certainly CAN insult you when programmed to.
@@gfys756
Of course other people will also gladly let their fetishes slip voluntarily.
Name one recent movie or show that’s insulted you, and how it did so.
The Hollywood strike made more folks realize that it is not really needed as before.
RUclips, manga, anime, indie comics, video games, fiction podcasts, classic books and TV and movies and hobbies filled the void.
Oh, and nature.
We are blaming only the small or medium people like writers producers etc but not the executives, owners and stakeholders for forcing the industry to adopt certain concepts, beliefs and ideas that are directly responsible for the declining quality and viewership
And it's the Blackrocks that want this as well. They are the real masters.
They deserve much of the blame but I am not particularly going to miss the good little soldiers pushing the message either.
"Just following orders" 🤡
@@jacquelineking5783 some of them are hired "soldiers", but the recent ideological takeover has unmasked Hollywood people infront and behind the cameras for simply being compliant talented (before DEI took that away too) monkeys dancing to the tune of whoever is paying.
@@jacquelineking5783 some of them are hired "soldiers", but the recent ideological takeover has unmasked people infront and behind the cameras for simply being compliant talented (before D.E.I. took that away too) monkeys dancing to the tune of whoever is paying.
I have seen MLM recruits in less denial than Hollywood is in…
They spent decades as global tastemakers and trendsetters.
Being the lame HR hires nobody likes gives them understandable vertigo.
@@ephraimwinslow respectfully I have no idea what you just said mate.
@@ASoberBear He said that they used to be cool, and now they are preachy and lame.
@@MJKeenan30 (hands you a grilled cheese) thank you.
@@ephraimwinslow They went from "Silicon Valley" to 'North-Korea if it had 200x higher crime rates'
I believe that about people watching older shows. I just rewatched In Plain Sight and Mr Robot and am currently slogging through LA Law.
There's a new phenomenon that's beginning to take shape -- people are still watching movies and shows, but they're either discovering or rediscovering the ones that were made years ago. Friends, The Sopranos, and, thanks to Riverdale, even Twin Peaks have apparently become enormously popular with Gen Z.
K-dramas alone are light years ahead of 99% of stuff being churned out of Hollywood.
And anime like Frieren.
K-dramas are just modern "day-time tv for stay at home moms" 😂 schlock for people with trash taste BUT IT ISN'T PREACHING SOCIAL VALUES. They just lean into people's schlocky desires.
Well, they alienated 50% of the audience no? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
At least.
They lost all the demographics.
Barbie proved most women were avoiding their empowerment projects like the plague. Most men already checked out and only few remaining diehards are showing up for those "It's not for you" films.
They stuff so much adult nonsense in family films most families checked out too unless it's from non Disney sources, they still remembered kids shows are more than a medium to push the rainbow.
And it appears to be the 50% who are willing and able to PAY for things.
65%+, Democrats who have friends or family that are Republican don’t like seeing them demonized either
And most people are just normal and don’t wanna see demonization anyway
50% of the species, for these kinds of shows the proportion is far higher than 50% of the audience. That's like saying 50% of the people making the Kardashians billionaires are men.
It definitely isn't.
Wifey and I are finishing up "Murder, She Wrote" and next we are going to do "L.A. Law".
🤷♂️ "Good times, create weak people. Hard times create strong people"
It's very rare to get a good writer without a life with hard times and experiences
It's almost like insulting your customers hurts your business.
I seem to recall these same writers calling us all trolls and bots back when we mentioned they should learn a trade a few years ago.
The other day I saw a video of a guy, I think he may have been a state legislator, wearing a wig, a ridiculous amount of make up, and a dress, standing in front of a microphone saying don't look at me like I'm mentally disturbed. I kind of got that same feeling listening to that quote from the writer who said you know things are bad when a black queer woman like me can't find work. My reaction to both is, okay, so is this just a rhetorical exercise? They are both the same person. Both believe they are entitled to a job or some level of respect because they have gone out of their way to check the boxes required in the identity hierarchy of victimhood. Just 10 years ago you may have heard someone say; "I deserve some respect, I mean it's not like I'm standing up here wearing a wig and a dress" or "You know times are tough when someone with a long track record of success can't find work."
Today we don't inhabit that old world but I think at least as far as entertainment is concerned we are seeing a return to normalcy. Nature has a way of returning to a state equilibrium. It's a natural tendency inherent to all ecosystems. Anyone who has studied systems theory understands that axiom. Entertainment, like politics, generally runs downstream from the culture. Hollywood has tried to reverse that, tried to drive the train since the mid-1950s but at the end of the day people want good stories. People don't have the amount of disposable income they once did so they are becoming more discerning about how they spend what little they have. Independent films made on smaller budgets are enjoying a greater ROI and theaters are catching on, giving them access to more screens and when they aren't running indie films they are running old TV shows and rerunning movies with proven appeal. Hollywood is dying the death it has been working toward for all these years. DIE is better acronym for the studios then DEI. May it not rest in peace.
"When you pass, may the earth rest lightly upon you... so that dogs may more easily dig you up."
See I can’t even tell if ‘state legislator wearing a bunch of bullshit’ is like, not just fake or real but satirical in purpose or legit by that legislator
@@looinrims Oh he was serious as a heart attack, and sorry, but nothing says I am mentally disturbed quite like slapping on make up, falsies and a wig then showing up in a dress and jumping into a "I am woman hear me roar" routine. That said, it's one thing to live a delusional existence, and quite another to demand people to play along with you. When you reach the point as a culture where you think you can create your own reality and change nature as you see fit, that's called a tipping point. But I believe in redemption. I hope one day the spell will be broken but I will never play along. As Alexander Solzhenitsyn put it; "The simple step of a courageous individual is not to take part in the lie. One word of truth outweighs the world.” The lie is the point. It's not that you believe it, simply that you go along. When you do, you lose.
Reminds me as a child when my Dad lost his job when the rubber plant was closed after a strike. How about the Twinkie plant? You can't price yourself above the value of what you do. Get ready min-wage people as the Dems put you out of work.
Minimum wage and Unions are two political responses to the same problem, businesses doing what business does and getting the most value for the least cost, specifically from their labor. A better solution is to have a guaranteed government job of hard labor for every citizen who want it that provides a livable wage, health care, and the opportunity to take any educational opportunity you want while working that job for free once. That guaranteed job still needs to be able to fire a person if they don't work, or repeatedly show up late, or just constantly take sick days without being sick. If a person gets fired from the guaranteed job they should have 6 months before they can take that job again.
The solution I recommend here is to provide a minimum starting point for wage negotiations. While it has some problems it provides a safety net for people on the lower economic scale, will inject money into the economy, and since it is a hard labor job will encourage people to find another one. By having a guaranteed fall back job bad bosses will have less power over their employees seeing a dramatic increase in the quality of management in the private sector.
"I don't know if I'll ever forgive Hollywood for this." Same, lady. Same. Only difference is, Hollywood needs my forgiveness. It doesn't need yours
It doesn’t need shit from you.
@@Markunatorit needs his (and everyone else's) patronage
@@Markunator ...not that I disagree no food or shelter is the ideal outcome for these people, but the phrasing is a bit ambiguous.
They're not going to *GET any. -I mean unless you know something I don't and every Californian has figured out how to subsist on 'manifesting' or sunshine or eating air or some crap.
With the collapse of Hollywood actual old Nostalgia shops like a VideoStore would mop up.
I miss my Videostore and the fun of going with friends to find something to rent.
And all their problems can be run right back to their woke-ism.
Woke-ism is cancer
This is what happens when an industry pursues political goals instead of economic ones. But because they are afraid to speak out they will wear their straitjacket to the grave.
When the writers went on strike, what did they think would happen? The budgets weren’t going to change for the projects. For example, if the budget was 100k and the writers got 33k before the strike, the studios could hire 3 writers. Now they get paid 50k, the studios will just hire 2 of them now, not increase the budget to 150k!!
Oh, see, that was one of the points of the strike: they want multiple writers in each project. What they got was a start of 3 writers per tv show, and adding writers for those shows that survive longer.
Thus guaranteeing that there would be fewer shows divided among the same number of (or fewer) writers...
As you'll see in their scripts, cause & effect isn't really something they grasp
I’m a Set Decorator in Hollywood, and it’s been absolutely brutal.
You guys, the technical workers? Are the only sector of Hollywood that does great work lately. If anything you keep getting better. A crappy movie with lame acting and writing will have stunning sets, costuming, etc. Its like you're the only professionals left
The shitty thing is, this hits all us smaller guys as well, and the most actually. Animators are basically out of work, because of the garbage decisions of the higher ups.
I hear you. Collateral damage from bad decisions from above whether crap content decisions or bad business decisions.. Everyone in post production too. Assistant editors, media deliverables, tech support, operations, etc. Post place I used to be at just furloughed another 40 people last week.
9:13 Me literally just watching Murdoch Mysteries from 2008 rather than anything produced today
The is a big issue isn't it? How many of the streaming services that are enjoying success and a profit, it is because of the their huge data base of classic television series, rather then new material?
That was a pretty good season, as I recall... a bit hazily.
It was not only better it was also cleaner. Parents want something they can watch with their kids.
There is often the assumption that everyone who works in the film/TV industry is talented & acting in good faith. My experience has shown me time & again that this simply isn't true. Film/TV is a high status industry & as such attracts people for whom status is important (narcissistic types for example), regardless of talent, ability or even competence.
When Hollywood makes plans to remake 'The Crow' I draw the line
Regarding reverting to old content - I recently bought the complete Magnum P.I. series (Tom Selleck). I watched some of reruns of the show in the early 2000's but never came close to seeing the whole series. Now, with all the garbage being produced, experiencing a quality show that's new (to me, at least) is such a breath of fresh air - even in standard resolution DVD
When a person can create something on their laptop in the kitchen for pennies that is more interesting than anything Hollywood can make with a hundred million dollar budget, you know you are in trouble.
part of the reason is that the state of California is too expensive to operate out of, hence why a vast majority of the layoffs, across all industries, are in California. We are about to see one of the world's largest economies collapse itself.
I'm 30, and what shows have I watched recently? Kung Fu Panda (the first one), Stargate, Tremors, and occasionally a bit of Star Wars the Bad Batch, the last of which I only watch because it's short enough to watch while running on the treadmill. I am no longer excited about any new shows, I'll go watch old stuff I was too young for when it came out, and I've been enjoying it a lot more than the new stuff.
I think part of it is just that instead of making 100 projects that cost $1 million that all earn $5 million, and then making an event blockbuster for $100 million, studios are just spending $200 million on one project.
I think that Apple literally gave every film project they made a $200 million budget even though none of those movies really needed that much money.
And of course none of those shows are going to look at that budget and only use what they need.
Glad to see Baggage claim on here again. She's awesome
Yes! I love her, I was subscribed to her channel for years and then a few months ago I subscribed to this channel and saw her on a live was like, no way! Two of my favorite channels know each other! 😂 I watch everyone in this video individually and it's nice to see them all together.
She used to make thought provoking videos about the sea change in modern entertainment. It was refreshing to see her perspective. Now she’s basically gone full WWF heel in order to pump up views to cater to an audience that just wants to reinforce their own beliefs that there’s some conspiracy to keep white men in Hollywood down.
I agree, she's smarter than all of them heh
@@OsloTime Yea she's 1 of the main channels that has pushed back against feminism in hollywood entertainment. Her perspectives are really spot on
@@christophertaylor9100 I don't know about smarter but they have all had a similar mindset on how they feel about modern media
This conversation is incomplete without mention of DEI initiatives being put forward by large, global asset managers.
On the topic of Barbie and Mario Bros- Yes, they are original ideas that were received horribly. They may have gotten people into the theaters, but they will NOT be getting them back. And that’s sad.
They were OK with DEI till it came for THEIR jobs...
The writers, showrunners and executives gleefully kicked holes in the bottom of the boat. Now they're crying because the boat sank? Let's face it, all these folks knew what they were doing. They knew that the audience hated their ideological DEI agenda and they arrogantly ignored the audience. Those who could have spoken out against the tide of sewage didn't because they wanted to keep their big salary. Anyhow, now they all have a new line to learn. Do you want fries with that order?
Exactly. I wonder sometimes which I hate more. Those who gave us the finger when gleefully destroying IPs or those who sat back and let them because they either lacked the balls to speak against 'the right side of history' or their cushy job was more important. They should've envisaged it was unsustainable. If they didn't, what the hell are they doing in business? Still haven't forgotten the excuses from Netflix for its first ever sub drop. The bosses actually said they didn't forsee that the pandemic uptick when we were all locked in would NOT to continue projecting upward whilst a drop didn't even enter their heads. Again, how are they in business? This is bottom all the way to the top stuff.
Fr. Common sense tells you that attacking people who you want money from is never a good idea and then doubling down on what they told you they didn't want is just insanity. There's a reason the saying 'never bite the hand that feeds you' exists.
A successful business pleases its customers. What customer ever said they wanted to see an endless stream of remakes and sequels all slanted to a narrow political view? It's absurd to believe that would ever work. Reality matters.
loooool As a lil ol' straight, conservative white girl I'm SHOCKED that I still have a job at Warner Bros.
I never really thought about kids today not having anything that is there's. My generation had dbz, power rangers, Jurassic park, then the teens moved into total request live and jackass. I could list endless shows for days that defined my generation.
They have Internet stuff, where you have tv.
Maybe they should take the advice the good folks in Hollywood gave the Kentucky miners when they lost their jobs, "learn to code". Sound advice! Maybe they should just learn to code.
And nothing of value was lost.
Writers and showrunners can always \
On older material to watch , I'm amazed at how many old movies are returning to the cinema this year.The headlines being the Spiderman movies and Star wars but Cineworld are advertising Demoliton Man and Commando being shown again.
I am waiting for some hard working gen x youngsters to make a weekly “TV” series on RUclips.
No need for expensive cameras, or super expensive sets. Good writing and minimal mindset and they make their money w ad sales, exclusive vignettes, and other creative monetization!
These new kids can do it
Despot had it wrong, dude. I would LOVE to see another Marvel movie... if it was as good as Iron Man or Captain America: The First Avenger.
I would be thrilled if there was a new Star Wars movie or TV show... if it had the "feel", like season one of The Mandalorian or Rogue One.
We aren't bored. We're just tired of being told we're evil because we happen to be white, male, heterosexual, or some unfortunate combination of the three. THAT is why Hollywood is dying. It's not fan fatigue - we're just tired of being hated.
Look at a movie or TV show from like 2002, and then look at one from like 2018. The clothes look the same, the cars look pretty much the same, and the furniture looks the same. The only difference is the type of cell phones people are using.
True, not that much has changed since the late nineties. Compare that to the radical changes between the Fifties and the Eighties.
@floydfanboy2948 We have moved backwards. As someone who remembers the 90s very well back then we were all about taking people out of their boxes and treating people as individuals. Now these youngers can't put themselves into ever smaller boxes quick enough.
Film and TV are losing money and so the supply of workers exceeds the demand. Simple economics, I know, but I wouldn't expect most of Hollywood to understand this.
Economics isn’t acceptable to hardcore left wing ‘anti work proletariat rise up!’ Types
"I can't get a job in my field right now." Okay? Boohoo I guess. I mean yeah it sucks but it happens. I have 2 engineering degrees and I haven't been able to find any jobs after I was laid off. So I became a field technician and tester for industrial power breakers. Is it what I went to school for? No. But I adapted to the market. They need to do the same.
I've been rewatching Chuck and The Office over and over because everything sucks right now.
It's a shame they didn't get the chance to make a movie to end the show and tie up loose ends. There was talk about it from Zachary Levi and the original showrunner, but nothing seems to have happened sadly.
What the world needs now is for someone to give Chris Nolan and Denis Villeneuve half a billion dollars and tell them to collaborate on making something big, wild, original, funny and insane. The world needs a huge crazy original movie like The Fifth Element. Remakes and reboots are dead. Those are like reheating last night's junk food.
As someone who just binged all the seasons of Bewitched on You Tube, Baggage Claim's point is spot on.
What's worse than a depression? That's Hollywood in 3 years.🎉
It's like we're in a really bad recession or something...
Here's a major contraction for Hollywood: DON'T.
Wait a minute... are you telling me that the disastrous gender and racist ideology displays that have been presented as films and TV shows coupled with suicidal writers and actors strikes have led to a depression and contraction of the entertainment industry?! What an entirely unexpected turn of events! Whoever could have predicted it?
Yeah, this was completely unexpected! Inconceivable!
They push out one movie or show after another and tell us this isn't for us. Then they blame us and shame us for not going to see the movie that isn't for us. Then they wonder why we don't care that they're out of work.
The problem isn't that Hollywood is making the same crap over and over again. It's that they're making crap. Classic archetypal stories get told again and again because their themes are popular. What matters is telling those stories well, instead of doing a crap job of it.
The economy isn't there anymore, the culture has changed, there just isn't room for the levels of mediocrity we have seen.
Collapse like a cheap tent, hollyweird ...
Yup , I am going through all the seasons of house. I'm so glad I didn't check it out before
Putting in a minimum number of writers would have been a stupid idea during the so-called golden age, never mind now when the medium is already almost dead.
If Hollywood doesn´t go back to hire based on talent instead of quotas, the future is dark.
My 18 year old son and his mates are all listening to old music, old TV shows and old movies because of the quality.
Is it possible that Star Trek was right and TV will lose its popularity not long after the 2050's (mid 21st century)?
I have often thought about this lately..
The issue with these people and most people in general is that despite being told that the jobs they want are high risk low employment demand, high demand to be employed temporary work they scoff at you then get surprised and outraged that you were right (I’ve warned so many people who are now experiencing this because they ignored me) it’s as if they believe they can warp reality to suite their wants despite being told otherwise. Which is a general problem with the current generations. They think they can change reality to one where they are always employed no matter what, they think they can change reality so that everything they write is adored by all, they think they can change reality so that they never experience adversity or difficulties ever in their lives.
They've been taught that their whole lives, though! That's the problem! These halfwits grew up hearing things like "MY truth" and "MY lived reality" and such. They never really got told to straighten their sh*t out and keep their feet on the ground. By all means, study the arts... but pick up a trade to keep a roof over your head for when (not if - WHEN) you CAN'T make a living with frippery. Am I wrong?
DEI doesn't bring in the box office gold
I'd feel sadder if it was people like prop/ set-makers that were struggling to find work- you know, people with actual talent & skills that are marketable -- the writers & ceo's have been making choices- poor ones, & they make them deliberately.
Don't ask me to feel sorry for the endgame of your inflated egos being hammered into reality....
I remembered those "Starving Artists" commercials they had back in the days. I guess they can do a "Starving Writers" one now.
There is literally an unlimited demand for content. Consumers are capable of viewing content at ravenous rates and have proven they will. The problem is quality. The public would literally find a way to view new content every week if it was worth binging and making time for. The problem is the vast amount of garbage and ideology regurgitated out upon us. Fix the quality problems and there will be no problem.
My kids have been watching malcolm in the middle for the past 3 months and they have never been happier, its weird that they have nothing like that to watch which is funny and well written and acted with heart anymore in their own generation.
I guess we will move onto “the middle” next, shows that I watched when I was a young adult, it is a very weird dynamic..I dont remember watching happy days or whatever my parents watched when they were kids..
Love this panel!
Hollywood gets what it deserves-expect it to get worse & to inevitably see the end of the Theater chains. Very sad for the normal people in the industry (camera operators, set design, etc)