Casino Backoff for Card Counting - Blackjack Apprenticeship
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- Опубликовано: 26 мар 2013
- Colin is one of the Pros from Blackjack Apprenticeship, as well as the subject of the documentary "Holy Rollers: The True Story of Card Counting Christians." While filming for the documentary, he was followed by undercover cameras to capture what a real backoff is like. After counting cards blatantly for half an hour, this is what the casino did...
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If the law says casinos can ban you when you start winning too much, there should be a law that they ban you when you start losing too much.
There isn't a law just for casinos. The "law" you're mentioning is a law for any business. Wheter it's a McDonalds or it's a museum, they all can deny you service if they want to. A casino can deny you entry if they know you are a card counter, but you can't be thrown into jail for it, as counting cards isn't illegal.
There isnt a law for that in particular.Its just the tresspass law.Its actually borderline discrimination against logic.Oh hes got some common sense,tell him to leave please
deIlluminati Could you claim discrimination and take it to court?
Kyle Gardner You probably could, but if the Casino has proof that you were counting cards, then I think the judge would throw out the case unless there was proof or a witness of you being discriminated
And that's why you don't go to casinos, it's your own fault for trying to scam the scammers. No one is forcing you to go in there. If you are going to try to win, then you better be better at hiding it that the pit boss is at finding it. Its a business and the goal is to always get more money in that the money you put out. That includes all of the expenses of hosting the establishment.
Player: I'm just trying to win.
Pit Boss: Yeah we dont allow that.
Crazy
Almost all players are trying to win and the casinos are okay with more than 99% of them.
Gary Lu Productions That’s because 99% of players don’t know how to play the game.Would be very interesting to see how the bosses would react if all the people in their could card count.
bigboombig LOL They would probably either shut down their business or host unbeatable blackjack games (such as making blackjack pay 6 to 5, lower the penetration, etc.)
Gary Lu Productions sounds like a great opportunity for a horde of card counters to raid a casino and see what happens. Guaranteed entertainment gold
as scummy as casinos are, this guy was actually really nice about it. Took the time to explain and even let you keep flat betting if you wanted. They usually are not this polite about back offs
That was probably only because there was a camera recording him.
@@rudyNok Hidden camera
He did not 'allow him to play' he allowed him to keep losing, because he damn knew that would happen if he just went on flat betting trying to break even. Nice move, lol.
Nah i disagree this guy is a Asshat even if hes "Nice"
The entire buissness of a casino is to be a parasite and not nice, being nice is going make em go broke, Anyone as far as im concerned besides the cooks (since they just make food and arent doing sleazy underhanded tricks) arent good people,
@@TheFallinhalo well the guy is nice about it because if the casino starts losing he is out of a job and he backed the guy off nicely.
Went to a casino in Vegas and dropped 100 on a 25 minimum table. Hit 175 within 10 minutes and left - just off basic strategy. Within that time I noticed the pit boss taking a special interest and the dealer calling my safe plays the wrong plays even after she busted and I won the hand. Glad I left early then. But this is enlightening. Thanks for sharing.
That one kid on the playground that keeps making up rules.
Winning 21-0 “next goal wins”
"That one kid" was usually bigger than the rest of the kids, animal kingdom son. Once you get out 12th grade hs in USA, you're free game to bring out in the back an beat the shit out of you. I don't make or like the rules but I know if I'm going to try and expose someone's hustle, than I'm bringing more fist to the action. This dude is lucky that the Soprano type of mob doesn't do security.
Eh he's just doing his job. And our boy was doing his job too.
@@andrettitalk9535 If the mafia still ran the casinos, he wouldn't have gotten a polite confrontation or even have been allowed to play or cash out. They'd have called him over, led him to a back room or out into the alley/garage and stomped him out.
"Pit Boss" is just a nickname that harkens back to the old days. These days, they're simply floor managers.
They aren't thugs or bad guys, just professionals who look out for the casino's best interest and administer payouts.
This pit boss was actually pretty polite and cool about the situation.
He called him aside, confronted him about his (very obvious) counting and didn't even remove him from the floor.
He just locked his bets, allowed him to cash out (if he wanted to) and let him be after that. He was free to continue playing blackjack (on locked bets) or play the other games if he wanted.
All in all, (in the player's shoes), I wouldn't have even been annoyed. I'd have said, "fair enough" and then not be so obvious at another casino lol.
Loooooool
"so you only want me to play if i'm gonna lose money?"
"yesn't"
Lol
And this is news to you?
LMFAO!
Does anyone know what casino this is
The only sure bet is in my channel
Your welcome
When i turned 21 I went with some friends to a casino. I lost about $200 really quickly. I was so furious and I never gambled again. That life lesson was worth so much more than $200.
I enjoying playing black jack and video poker but when I play I play with the full expectation I’m going to lose all that money. So I only put in what I’m willing to lose.
@@nickflorence1 #1 rule of gambling.. Only take out what you're willing to lose.
@@nickflorence1 100%
If I'm having a good time with friends I think of it as paying for entertainment. And if I have a good night that's just a bonus not an expectation
You sound fun lol
Exactly, how do you have any fun at a casino when they take all your money in 20 minutes
I LOVE that he just keeps describing flat betting (as if you’re stupid - which he knows you aren’t) instead of addressing the fact that counting cards is just playing the game according to the rules and it’s the casino’s policy - not the rules of the game - that mandate your ability to play it the best you can.
Well the player was acting stupid like he didn't understand
@@renocool1558 lol, ya, the interactions between casino staff and advantage players is usually the most hilariously dumb subterfuge imaginable. The fact that this pit boss straight up called him out for counting cards, and took the time to talk to him and explain the business aspect behind running a casino, was pretty impressive, especially given this was over a decade ago. Most of them these days just ask you to leave, or power trip like crazy and put their casinos in nice actionable positions for refusing to pay out players. But man, a decade ago, it was much different.
"I'll let you keep playing... In a manner that is garunteed to make you lose all your money." What a generous offer.
Thanks rod
little did he know...
Pretty sure the "boss"said, I'm not gonna let you cash out. Reality says this guy drew heat for the purposes of the video, I mean he goes from $5 to 3 spots at $200? Real card counters try to not draw heat, find it interesting he can still play, the way he's told to.. Play craps, get in, get out, the odds are almost as good if u know what ur doing..
It's a business, not a charity. Why are you fools so opposed to this? Casinos wouldn't exist without this.
@@Reignor99 please do not be soooo fucking naive
In case you haven't realized, you are welcome in the casino as much and as often as you like as long as you lose consistently. If you win consistently they kick you out.
Depends on the situation. You can win consistently in the casino and not get kicked out depending on what you're winning at. The specific case with blackjack is a no no.
@@berekexer8158 Sure, they'll let you stay if you win consistently at games of chance, but if you are displaying any sort of skill or savvy at blackjack, poker etc you will be shown the door.
@@MattyIcecubes Mostly just blackjack. For example, banking in pai gow, full pay deuces, slot progressives, poker room, craps as the thrower etc you can win while having the edge consistently and still not get kicked out. It's mostly blackjack due to the size of the edge and the relative ease of executing that advantaged strategy.
They will ban you even if you are just lucky. Dana White got banned from some Vegas casino for "winning too much". He's a well known gambler, but I doubt he counts cards or cheats in any shape of form, he is just lucky most of the time. They told him, he is not good for the business and they don't want them there. Also in this case we are talking couple houndred grands or even millions....
@@MattyIcecubes Poker? Lol dude... when you play poker at a casino you're playing against other players, not the casino. Stop commenting on things you know nothing about.
“Alright, thanks Rod.”
Most passive aggressive thanks ever lol
It made up for the pit boss's "good luck" in the beginning : )
I'm grateful to have seen this before going to a casino. Thank you.
“We want dumb gamblers not smart gamblers” plain and simple.
@J Breeze he was doing it blatantly
He isn't gambling. He will win over time
To be fair, card counting does tax the definition of gambling somewhat.
@J Breeze He was intentionally doing that because he wanted to get backed off for the video. That's also why he scopes the tables so obviously at the start and immediately attracts attention from the pit boss.
@John Snow
Ginger: I’ll back him off..
Ace Rothstein: And this; This is how she backed him off.
I was playing at a BJ table in Indiana, and as soon as I started winning the floor person came over and tried to distract me by talking and asking questions constantly while the hands were going on. I continued to win, and when I was up $950, I cashed out, and then concentrated on talking to the floor person while, she was trying to work. 😂
Hahahaha. You're a genius.
Cheers !🍻😂
The floor guys are such d-bags
I stopped reading at "BJ table".
I didn't know that Indiana casinos were so progressive and liberal.
@@tc1817 😂😂
Pit Manager: Colin, Good Luck!
(10 minutes later)
“Shouldn’t have said that. I should NOT have said that.”
Last year was the first time I went to a casino in Las Vegas as an adult (I was raised in the US but went back to my home country as a teen). I'll say that it was pretty shocking: people who look like they never take care of themselves, the smell of sweat and tobacco everywhere, dirty floors and facilities in general, etc. It was a pretty depressing sight to see.
bc America is a 3rd world country that has some developed cities in it
@@TheWatchernator America Is a 1st world country. Did you pay any attention in Social Studies ?????🤣🤣
@@TheWatchernator
Afghanistan. Algeria. Angola. Bangladesh. Benin. Bhutan. Bolivia. Burkina Faso. and plenty more, All are 3rd world countries
Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Mongolia, North Korea, Poland, Romania, the Soviet Union, and the German Democratic Republic. Are all 2nd world countries
While places like United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and Japan. Several Western European nations qualify as 1st world countries
I dont know what you are pulling out of your ass lol
@@EvanOdegaard 3rd world just like russia
If you think Vegas is depressing, check out local casinos in small towns around the US. At least Vegas is a vacation spot. The folks in the small town casinos are there every week like it's their job.
Like he said, they only want suckers playing who wont win.
Casinos are for suckers.
So if a grocery store has a sale, and you buy 2 of an item, but normally only buy 1, the grocery store can regulate this? Nope! Its value. Thats all he was doing!
You are right, they only want suckers.
Tom yea dumb people shouldn't gamble lol they will lose.
Shotkuz 25 yes you are nothing do with skill
mattyy101 : probability system is not counting cards
Cave Man uh 13x is the most its ever landed on one colour in a row in vegas ...
Pit boss: "You can only play... if you lose. "
"If you win, you have to leave. ... that's ridiculous. "
William Steven he was losing
Gambling is Ridiculous!
Mr Man ul
@@atvelasco15 what does "ul" mean? I'm sorry i'm not up on my "Misspelled" language of made up words and ridiculous mutating of sentences as the current generation of Morons and simpletons Ever notice these days how Everything you say has some sort of short form or abbreviation to it,And i mean Everything! It is so convoluted in today's wording of everything it is confusing an illiterate.
@ike nation iKE AND MIKE THINK ALIKE.
You have to appreciate the verbal and logical gymnastics this guy goes through. He can't just say "we only let you play if we know we have an advantage on every hand." They just don't want and won't allow a fair game.
Dude was being pretty nice about it. First time I've ever seen them give someone an avenue to play still. I wouldn't have kept questioning him.
Colin did this on purpose though to show what a back off looked like. I am certain he'd play more conspicuous if that wasn't the point of the video. He bet with wild swings in bet amount and tried to attract attention to film what happened during a backoff.
This is a great video that makes me not want to ever gamble in any casino.
If you saw how much money they make my card counting, you’d think otherwise. They do hit and run tactics once they get backed off of one casino they hit the next one and the next and the next and so on
@@bankai7995 so whats the problem with someone winning?
@@abnnuzzinicholasclay686 You go to win a lot of money. casinos have the right to refuse service to anyone so it’s not illegal for them to kick you out and from a business standpoint it’s smart because if they just let a bunch of card counters running around and taking a butt load of money they’d go bankrupt. You cant only think if the mindset of a consumer you also have to keep in mind of the producer.
@@bankai7995 just say it. Its a one way thing preying on people like a drug dealer. You have sympathy for the dealer
@@abnnuzzinicholasclay686 State sanctioned gaming will always win in an argument about honor.
Counting cards isn't even cheating. It's being good at the game.
It's a bit of both, while it is technically not cheating. You are still not playing how the game was intended to be played, more like bad sportsmanship imo.
@@cheekycream4148 how is it a deviation from how it's intended to be played? You're supposed to hit or stand based on the perceived odds at the time, are you not?
@@cheekycream4148 no, absolutely not.
@@fomocowboy yeah it's insane. They can't swindle the intelligent so they makes rules where basicaly only the dumb are allowed to play consistently. Silly business.
That's why it's not illegal.
Those casino card counting movies started popping up in my head.
(21 and The Hangover for example)
Rain man
I've had some fun trips to Vegas where I was attending some conventions. Lake Meade, Hoover Dam, Death Valley are all half-day or full-day trips away. It's very bright and colorful and lots of interesting people to watch. Some of the shows and some of the buffets were pretty good. The hotels I stayed at were nice. But I didn't do any gambling.
You are what the casinos would call a "dead beat."
Ironically, that way, you were the biggest winner of all! :-D
They banned him for playing without shoes?
Poor guy.
He took his shoes off and put his feet on the table. I believe he also had a cowboy hat on.
HAhahahaa got a good chuckle out of me, reading this here comment.
Best answer^^
No no no, he was betting too small, so they wanted him to bet his shoes. He must have some awesome Jordans or something.
@@hollywoodmkx He is just a stinky shit kicker
Losses 3k
Pit boss: ....
Wins a ton
Pit boss: wait that’s illegal
Pit bosses love for people to try to count cards. They just don't like people to effectively count cards. So many people try but don't have the discipline to see it through and make it work.
@@YAOG teach me lol.
He didnt even break even, bunch of cheats
Pit boss never said it's illegal. Just that he doesn't want his action.
@@Watthead80 That pit boss is full of shit
This video should be played in every casino during highest traffic.
Honestly tho this was a really nice back off. He was willing to sit down and talk to him person to person and give the explanations.
“So, you’re kicking me out because I’m smarter than you?”
Because that the islam block gambling
@@aboudzkho But allows first cousin marriage.. go figure.
@@maybenot7298 Nah
@The Rocktavius He wasnt. Prove me wrong :) Ive already refuted people on this btw.
@@julianraiders1112 Educate yourself before you make bogus statements mate: seekersguidance.org/answers/general-counsel/the-ruling-of-first-cousin-marriages-a-balanced-perspective/
Wow so scammers don’t like being scammed, big surprise.
Hey Scoob, how is the player a scammer? He's just playing smart and within the rules. There is nothing at all illegal about counting cards.
T. Aaron Metz I’m calling the owners a scammer
T. Aaron Metz there is nothing illegal about kicking someone out for counting cards
If he was a scammer they had talked by other way.
@@alecdenver5754 .....counting cards isn't illegal lol
“I’m letting you play blackjack any way you want to play it”
“No…you can’t play like that” 😂😂😂
LOL fair but he technically meant you can PLAY however you want, you just can't BET however you want.
The advantage in card counting is modifying your bet when the count favors you. Playing the game using basic strategy is pretty cut and dry.
The pit boss was actually very polite. Back in the 70's and 80's, this wouldn't have gone down like this.
He would have gotten 86'd, in the old mob sense of the meaning.
This was still ten years ago tho so how is it now
So basically hes telling him " you are not allowed to win" .
Your wrong, Hes telling him" i only want you to lose or gtfo".
Not exactly. You're not allowed to play rationally is more accurate. But...would you like a free cocktail?
You're allowed to win, but not if you know you're gonna win. Scammers, you know
Of course not, the definition of a business is to create revenue.
@@ziggymorris8760 yea so your saying, they should continue taking from the less brained ones. While the smart people would only play when knowing odds are in there favor! A smart person would never enter a casino, they are designed to take from the masses en give to the singles. This is never good on the long run.
That's the ugliest casino I've ever seen, it looks like an old barn!!
Yeah it looks like a basement rec room operation...lol
Pretty sure the only reason he goes there, is because once you're banned at something like an MGM, you're banned at all of the MGMs.
Everyone knows that the reason every casino in the world has the most horrible carpet in the world is to make you look up and ahead at the next machine/person that’s going to take your money. Eyes off the floor.
Well, I wouldn't avail myself to the complimentary sushi bar..
only suckers get to play.
"There's an infallible way to tell who is cheating at the casino's, they are winning". Robert Deniro Casino near quote.
I had exact same conversation w casino bosses. I was kicked out and banned from High Sierra casino in Lake Tahoe for counting back in the late 70's when HS BJ was single deck dealt to the bottom. I always play 3rd base and focus/wager by cards played. Much easier than 6 deck shoe of today.
Apparently he doesn't want to book his action.
I laughed so much. :D
what does it even mean :/
It means they do not want him there counting cards, as many see it as cheating. He can play as long as he does not count cards.
It means he doesn't want to pay him to play there. He won't allow the man to play the game because he's worked out the rules and a good method of beating the game, he only wants people to play the game if they don't know how to play the game and are paying him for his action.
+The Kriptoker : what do you mean by cheating? Did he touch cards or chips in the betting circle.?
The number 1 rule in any casino:
The customer is not allowed to win.
That's not a rule at all.
They are only allowed to win if they win at losing odds.
The house always wins
They will allow to win temporarily. But they will NOT let you have the advantage. So yeah....in the long run, you can't win.
Red Chevy So fuck casinos and the people who run them then
Im amazed the guy actually sat there and explained the exact same thing over and over about six times how flat betting works.
I played at different Indian casinos for a few years and never got officially asked to leave. I played more conservative by not taking multiple spots and made 75 an hour which I was happy with at the time. Once they noticed I would come in every weekend and never walk out with a loss someone would stand behind me watching. That is when I switch casinos and try back in a few months.
what would you recommend to someone just starting? I have no problem counting but the whole Hi Lo strategy is very hard to memorize, any tips?
@@canobenitez Personally, i think the counting +1 and -1 thing is flawed. The philosophy behind is that you win 50% more than the house at blackjacks, so it pays off to bet maximum bets at several hands when the shoe is rich. But i think it's a bit flawed.
The true way to win at blackjack, and this is my personal theory, is much more difficult. You have to remember every single card that's gone. And then calculate the chance of what will happen when you draw the next card. If you can remember every card that's gone, you can predict with great accuracy what card comes next. This is the only way to realistically be a good blackjack player.
You should sit at the end of the table, in order to more accurately predict which card the dealer gets. Because if you sit with 5 players to the left, it is much harder for you to predict what he or she will get, making it more difficult to make your own play.
You basically have to be a logical genius at root, and then you have to practice for a very long time until reading, remembering and calculating becomes second nature, so it doesn't become suspicious. And you should smile and have fun too, as to act like you're stupid and a regular joe just having a good time and being lucky. And then quit before you win too much. Preferably spend a bit of money in the place too, if they have a restaurant or such, to make it look better. If one does this, i think it can be a way of living.
The +1 -1 thing, i think is a very simplified strategy just taught widespread by the casinos in order to draw in more fools. Some may get lucky with it, but that just means that 1000 others lose their savings.
@@123TauruZ321 this shit is gold I'm gonna bookmark this, thanks
@@123TauruZ321 you are a complete idiot
@@naiku. Hahaha really? Why do you write that?
I walked once through a casino in Las Vegas expecting the usual glamour you see in the casinos of Hollywood films. Instead I saw a lot losers in ill-fitting clothes with depressed faces playing alone for hours, losing money every minute but hoping to get lucky and win back everything they lost. The whole experience was very sad and very far from the expectations we had from seeing casinos in movies.
Lol. Well versed.
Ya don’t say..wasn’t anything like in the movies you say? Hmmmm
Exactly. What's really sad is I actually know people who moved there, got addicted to gambling, and then lost everything they had. I mean everything. I mean one poor guy had to call his mother to send him a bus ticket back to Colorado where he was from. I have seen so many people go to these casinos where they will cash your entire paycheck free of charge, knowing you will be tempted to blow everything there that night. I've seen homeless people walking the streets who have lost everything. Very sad.
If you want to see a Hollywood depiction of a modern casino, just watch the very end of the film “Casino” (lol). Deniro’s character is narrating, talking about how “casino life used to be glamorous,” layered over a shot of a large group of schlubs and senior citizens - some on walkers or in wheelchairs - rushing into the casino en masse as it opens.
(To be clear, I am in no way saying that elderly people are schlubs, just that there are obvious schlubs in the group)
Once I've went to casino in Niagara... My relatives love going there but only for machines (obviously xD), hoping for I don't know what... The most boring, useless and overrated place I have ever been to. Just like you say, only some loosers, everyone seriously looked like they are half-homeless, some elder people barely walking but still spending money... disaster. Not to mention that I've also drank there the worst Cola of my life, like, seriously, that taste was a crime and Coca-Cola should want their money back for watering it out like this... The only two positive moments was a short talk with a security guard at the entrance, who was a talkative and friendly person, and meeting a guy looking like Tait Fletcher from John Wick movie, who probably also was on a lookout for card counters, as he was wearing a suit and some ID. I had short beard that time so he smiled to me in friendly way haha. Other than this? Even the girl with a cart with drinks looked like she was gambling for 5 years and now works in casino as a punishment... Casinos are disaster, unless you own them...
Do yall see how hard the pit boss is tweaking? Straight c o c a i n e.
Looked like Rob ford.
its his bro. Rod Ford
Ravishing Rick Rude rob fords brother is in office now 😂
and still the boss
now that you mention it..
Man, I'm so glad I don't go to casinos, where thinking a certain way is prohibited. That looks like a real bad time.
He is so chill for backing someone off.
The dealer was actually quite happy that you won in the end
He's payed
different motivations, the dealer typically gets tipped out by the player if they win a fair amount, the pit boss gets nothing but job insecurity if people are crushing it at the tables all night and taking the casino's money
@@NG-cf7zh is your surname actually Gay?
@@natriox7185 yeah, grade school was not easy lol
Marvin Gaye was born Marvin Gay but changed it for showbiz. Not as uncommon a name as you might think.
@@NG-cf7zh no it's cool cuz my name is Nathan😂 your surname is just saying that you happy
I've sat next to a card counter before and followed his every step. He raised his bet, I raised mine. He went to min bet, I went to min + $ 5. The rest of the table finally caught on (2 rounds after I caught on) and we all start winning with barely any loss. Pit boss had the cards changed out 3 times within an hour. Once the counter finally cashed out, the next round we all started losing and cashed out too. Luckily I played the min that last round.
That card counter sounds like a cool dude to hang out with seeing has he pretty gave you all free money.
@@gigachad7729 He didn't give him anything other than the opportunity to help yourself.
@@mehmeh1999 yea the obly problem i have is that i get backed off real fast if people do that lol
@@ziegfeld4131 yeah, ok pal
Thats a lie lmao
This is the perfect metaphor for life, the pit boss is everyone you know, friends, family, society, the dealer is lifes challenges, and counting cards is you trying to make things work in your favour against all the rules and norms.
everyone you know isn't against you necessary
Lol what ?
Yep and just like this video so has been my life. Whenever things are going well and I'm winning, everyone, and mean everyone, works together to ruin it. The cops will write me bogus tickets. People will harass me I'll get fired from work. It's even gone to the extreme that I have been threatened by the government. The game of life, at least for me, has been completely rigged. And it's cost me dearly. Honestly I can't see the point anymore. If I can't win why fight? I'm so tired of being down and be forced to watch everyone parade around on my corpse doing great. Not that I don't wish people well. It's just people celebrate my suffering. I'm not allowed to prosper. And it's the people in my life and in society that has made it that way. So thank you world for ruining an honest man's life.
Targeted individuals!
I watch this every few months love it
This is where the saying, "THE HOUSE ALWAYS WINS" comes from.
.... And don't waste your time, and money.
Easier to play smarter lol then jumping from 5-200 lol
We know you're Lupus, we don't allow that here.
@@TempSFugit-kk1dk it means to fix or cheat: (the deck is stacked against you) by putting a few extra playing cards in the deck, usually to the dealer's advantage.
@SilentBob420BMFJyou totally misunderstood what I said lol had nothing to do with counting I mean zero
Literally the only video on RUclips of actual counting in action.
STL boy Glad you liked it!
+Blackjack Apprenticeship Loved it! And I have a question; does it happen often when you are counting that somehow the cards end up by chance being shuffled so evenly that the count never really heats up as much as you would like throughout the whole shoe. And you kind of just end up wasting a whole shoe just playing the minimum bet at the house odds?
STL boy It happens from time to time. You'll see shoes all over the board once you've played a couple hundred hours of blackjack. At that point nothing surprises you anymore.
***** Well, Great Logical Sir, since you've shown you have such a talent, why show yourself? Why not play more incognito.. ? Say, $10 as your low, and $100 or so as you high, instead of the $5 low and $200-300 high? Perhaps, this would keep you under the radar more so?
+Michael Baker this shit was on purpose lol
Your short brought me here. Good video.
Watched this video around the time you posted it , i used to try counting and anytime i played blackjack or roulette on my local Casino/Reserve they would limit me to 20$ bets so they basically told me they didn't want my action lmao
And imposing rules AFTER you start playing is scamming without license.
It´s probably written in their agreement you automatically agree to when entering the casino
The rules are there from the start, it's the players choice to get acquainted with them, or not. I worked at a Casino for 5 years and the nonsensical logic of gamblers is amazing. If they win they have no complaints. If they lose, they have countless complaints about how they've gotten robbed. Nobody is forcing anybody to play their tables or machines. If you choose to play at a casino, you're also choosing to accept whatever rules are in place, no matter how (unfair) they may be or seem. It is a conscious decision everytime. If you don't have the self control to stop risking your money then that's your problem. Life is unfair, life is full of risks. It is what it is.
Spaw R a company can set rules, but rules don’t overrule law. So if a casino had a rule that said I can kill anyone that walks into my casino that would rule would be overruled because murder is illegal. Same thing with scamming
@@spawreneqade3416 The F,cking DEALER IS COUNTING, SO what the F,CK are you talking about, the nonsense here is your brain along with theirs.
I can’t believe they wouldn’t give him his money back.
“You only bet when the shoe is rich. You can’t do that”
Logic: Am I a joke to you?
Hendomania 😂😂
What's this whole "am I a joke to you"???
Seems all young people say it latest phrase, they think it's witty or funny?
@@justinlanger7109 ok boomer
@@pascalb.9622 am I a joke to you? Jeez I've joined the new age!
@@justinlanger7109 no you're still a boomer
“Play regular blackjack”
“Ok so I can play regular blackjack with the same rules as everyone else?”
“No you can’t raise your bets”
Lol. Lmao.
At least this guy was polite and professional, some casino staff are just needlessly aggressive to advantage players
Legend has it that to this day... he doesn't want to book his action.
Get out of your mom's basement first.
Legend has it... you're still making shitty legend jokes on RUclips
Eddie3074 personally I thought it was a great joke
haha i giggled
I'm german...don't understand the meaning of : don't wanna book your action. What does it mean ?
“i’m letting you play blackjack anyway you want, no you can’t play that way”
Dr Deuteron oh you like this one? well how about this one instead
deaddddd
Contradicting himself
He’s still playing blackjack pretty much the same way he’s just leveraging the odds to get more money when there’s a good hand
"I'm letting you play slot machine however you want. No you cant use a magnet, not that way"
You should interview one of those guys, gonna be fun to take a closer look on their strategies
Wonder if this casino still around and where is it?
basically: "we're cheating, and it's not ok that you're outcheating our cheat"
Right. They are robbing bastards.
Card counting isn't really cheating tho.
@@meeknuggets4860, it hardly matters when those sleazy casino pukes shut down the guy who's doing it.
@@valuecalc Well thats why its bs. its not cheating. its just playing extremely smart and with skill.. but no. they don't want one guy to clean em out but happy to take another 50 peoples money who don't know how.
@@meeknuggets4860, you're right. I hate how those clowns are happy to clean US out, but, oh, it's bloody murder if we beat them at their own damned game! How sleazy.
My first time at a casino I was getting EXTREMELY lucky on blackjack. I was winning round after round. The pit boss watches a couple rounds then tells the dealer, "shuffle that." He waited a couple more rounds, and saw me losing round after round. Then he walked away.
they’re scumbags
Thats why you stop
A ReShuffle mid Shoe? Nah, time to walk away....
When they sugfoe you should leave
Casino is full of fung sheui shit once they change your luck it’s time for them to suck u in
I grew up with one of the best card counters in the world, "Kevin Blackwood". He wrote a fiction-based-on-fact account of his upbringing as a born again Christian and his move to being a card counter. The book is called "The Counter".
Fun to watch card counting in action, but this is why I never got into gambling to begin with. Once you figure out the system, the system turns against you.
I've only stepped inside a casino twice.
And here I thought they dragged you out into an alley to beat your ass. I'll be damned.
They might since they have money to burn
Like in the movie 21...
Jeffrey Lebowski they would if you were too good (some actor was banned from all of them for being too good)
If they did that you could really bring down the house with them with a decent lawyer.
NOW you tell me...
This is like when you played some stupid game with your friends when you were a kid, but the pit boss is the one that keeps making up rules so they can win no matter what happens.
I played pool with an opponent like that before. It get heated very quicky.
I just came out of prison for robbing a casino, I never regreted it
Well, that's because it really isn't a crime. MORALLY, it's a VIRTUE! ;-D
@@larkefedifero I believe robbing anyone or anything is illegal.
@@ALLROY240 Well, that's why, officially, unfortunately he had to go to jail - there's no avoiding that. But from a moral standpoint? No way...to the contrary, it's *honorable.* Sure some will say that two *wrongs* don't make a *right* , but THIS is a case of a right being done to correct a wrong. It'll never make a huge dent in any given casino's finances, policies or lead to any major change, but it's still nice to hear of something like this happening every so often...ya' know, as opposed to those who'd have some major organization like a casino steamroller over them and take all of their money... ;-)
Gahd Bless! B-D
I like how he thought he had to explain what flat betting is to you.
This isnt called Card Counting its actually called "Scammers get Scammed"
you're playing the scammers game.
except counting cards isnt a scam. it's just proper card playing that casinos dont expect most people to be capable of
@@brandoloudly9457 I think the point was the casino's are the scammers and counting is just "scamming" them back
I would do the same thing if I was the casino you can’t have a business where chances are you lose money the point of blackjack is u kind of have to get lucky casinos would go out of business if they allowed that
@@sammatthews5141 no, they would'nt...they just would have a more fair profit.
As long as he doesn't have cards hidden up his sleeves or using a computer, i see nothing wrong with it. He is still taking a risk, just like every other player.
Yeah that is what people get wrong about counting cards. They don't know which cards will show up when just how many good and bad cards have been used and what will likely come up.
@@unitedstatian9152 They don't have to know which cards show up... it sounds like you don't know how card counting works either. It's a game of odds. Once you know the deck is hot, the odds tilt in your favor if you play smart. Play long enough and you can come out ahead just by playing it safe and waiting til you have good odds-- then you bet big, but conservative enough to not break the bank. You win some, you lose some, but if you play long enough you will come out ahead.... which is exactly what was happening in the video. The deck was hot and he started making back his money, and that's when they stepped in.
@@benbuysse6826 It sounds like you don't know how to read or else you just like to repeat what others have already said but with a huge waste of words.
Ben Buysse 🤦♀️
@@benbuysse6826 Thanks captain obvious.
excellent video! really informative.
My uncle introduced me to blackjack. It was 1968, I had just turned 21. My uncle came to town. He was an old WW2 navy man who played poker on board ship with the rest of the officers. He came to play marathon sessions of poker and then return to his teaching job in Ohio. We went into town, he gave me 20 dollars and instructions on basic strategy. I went into the old Gold Nugget and played for a few hours. The minimum was only 1 dollar then. When I was done, I cashed out with an 8 dollar win. I was hooked for the rest of my life on the game of blackjack and I won more money than I lost. But got barred from playing in a few places in town and moved over to poker in the late 70's. My uncle died while I was in Viet Nam doing my duties as a US soldier and I miss him almost as much as my father.
Can you win more than lose only bybasic strategy?
@@canobenitez No. Well, you can in the short run if you get lucky, but in the long run you will lose everything.
All the pitbosses I have seen, this guy is incredibly nice and even gave you some knowledge.
What knowledge?
@@HarryBallsss stop going to casinos lmao
Interesting
What the fuck if that's being nice the other pit bosses need a gunshot in their heads
@Jojofbsb Bsbs "would i are"?
It’s so fucked that if 1 guy comes in and wins a couple thousand the casino freaks out yet they take millions from people.
Dude, it's a greasy business ran buy even greasier people. This shouldn't be a surprise to you.
@@dansmith6990 I said it’s fucked, not that it’s a surprise
@@Frosst you're clearly not that smart as evidenced by your spelling, if you couldn't glean what I was saying then you wouldn't understand even if I broke it down for you.
@@dansmith6990 You're clearly far more stupid than them as shown by your lack of punctuation skills and inability to address their perfectly clear and valid retort your little screeds. I'd break it down for you but you're not even worth the effort.
@@dansmith6990 You failed to capitalize the first letter in your comment. Then turned it into a run on sentence with only a single period and a single comma. Why is it always the stupid ones who are calling others stupid? lol
Would blackjack be easier with a time machine?
I lived with my family in New Jersey for a couple of years. Our neighbours were very kind to us. One day they told us they'd take us to an Atlantic City casino for a treat. They obviously thought of it as a very glamorous place. We just thought it tacky, dismal and sleazy, filled with unhealthy looking unhappy people.
That's typical of. new jersey no matter where you go.
@@johnsalaman503 🤣🤣🤣
This is quite literally the most underrated thread :) @john salaman just went straight gangster LMAO
If anyone is actually surprised by this, those mega hotels and casinos aren’t on The Strip by people winning. This boss is the most honest I’ve seen.
What he’s saying is; “You can play, but we won’t let you win”.
You’ve seriously got a better chance at the long shot machines.
It's more accurate to say he's saying "we'll let you win if you win by blind luck".
even without counting bj is only a half percent edge for the house with property strategy. only other bet on the casino as good as that is craps pass line
Colin: Im just using my brain to win at this game Pitboss: Yeah, that’s not allowed here actually
Uh, we don't allow smart people in here.
"I'm NoT gOnNa BoOk YoUr AcTiOn"
😂
I never even got a discussion, Boss just moved my chips and said you can't play blackjack anymore. You can play any other game you want then he walked away. I was varying $5 to $100 and won a few big double downs and black jacks in a row. This was with double deck.
i was pissed off today when Palace station told me i couldnt play any more when losing. they could at least had flat bet me, or told me i was welcome to play the 6-5 6 deck shoe tables but not the 3-2 double deck.
I can guarantee you that this was not the guy who made the decision to back him off. He’s just the middle man. I actually thought he was cordial given the circumstances.
4:07 dab
Niko Airike lmaooo
You stupid!!!😂😂😂 #TrueTho
Hella
After this they took him in back and held him down and Robert DeNiro smashed his hand with a hammer.
All the while using the F word, liberally.
well, technically he ordered his hand smashed by a hammer. lol.
The guy who got his hand hammered in the movie was cheating (using computer [very illegal ]), this guy isn't. He's counting cards... that's not illegal.
"now you;re going to have learn to do it with your left hand"
I heard it was Joe Pesci, all over a silly pen.
This guy is actually pretty nice about it. Most places would just force you to cash and boot you.
nah he isnt hes fine with them still playing, as long as their losing. they just dont want the guy to be winning.
again Casinos are the only Cheaters. when a real cheater enters the fray their just evening the odds.
@@PlumpnDreamyWalrus Pretty sure they have to cash you out, legally.
@@TheFallinhalo nice to see a tsubasa fan in the wild.
@@EvilSapphireR haha ya, honestly i havnt seen the series in years and you mentioning makes me want to rewatch it.
exspecially since i just yesterday watched the english opening to Cardcaptors in a long time.
In this situation can you bet 100 per hand but sit out the hands you don't want to play and just play the ones you want while keeping count ? Or do you have to play every hand if you are at the table?
He asked that and the guy told him no
People using their brains
Casino: *surprised Pikachu face*
Another proof that shows everything in this world is Rigged for us to lose
And that colin will show you how to rig it against the casino 😁😎
Of course. Casinos would not exist if you could actually win money from them. They are a business and if you win from them, they lose, so they will shut you down legally.
Nobody wins but the ones on top of the game!
@Tetova Tetovo lol no shit.. thanx for the life lesson mr pit boss
@Tetova Tetovo expect ur award for winning at life in the mail.. fill out the card and send it back for a free batch of cookies!
That was an extremely quick back off. Card counter or not a lot of people tend to play a similar way if they have some sort of skill. The funniest part was he wasn’t even up he was basically even. I’m guessing the Pit Boss has heard about Colin in the past and that’s what triggered the back off
If you read the video description, they say they were blatant about the counting because they wanted to show how a backoff works.
I just notice how focused he is on the game!
"I thought the only way you can have a chance of beating the game is if you change your bet"
"No... yeah" 😂😂😂
Yes this is true, only way to make money
Nope. Sometimes you get lucky.
actually you can just take all you bets and divide them by bet size into different categories. You can beat the game if you are lucky at your big bets, but it doesnt matter when you played those big bets, in what sequence (if you dont count cards ofcourse, if you count - its different, so assume i'm saying about roulette bets, or slot spins) Its not changing bet makes you win, its always just luck. Instead of having game sessions with different bet sizes you can create sessions with same bet sizes. Luck on you big bets decides how much casino ahead of you. Time of bets placed doesnt matter
Everyone should watch this before going to a casino.
or better yet not go at all.
I remember being 18 and went to a Casino. The security guard checked my ID and said, "Hey kid, you want to know the quickest way to double your money at a Casino? You fold your money in half and walk back out the door..."
@@ColoradoStreaming I'm sure eventually the security guard was later fired for not "welcoming" suckers.
@@ColoradoStreaming and you never have to go to a casino because you can bet on your phone in Colorado.( which is a good state because they allow sports betting)
Everyone that is smart would just stay out of the casino , Keep your money in the bank and you will know where it is when you need it.
Legends say he still doesn't want to book the action
I once sat next to a card counter and I bet exactly the way he did. My stack kept growing and soon I was doubling his big bets and then tripling them. Security came and put a rope around our table as the crowds grew. We won 263 consecutive hands before they finally closed down the table. I cashed out with so much money I decided to retire.
Unfortunately, the next time I tried to go into a casino I was immediately kicked out and I haven't found a casino anywhere that will let me stay for more than a few minutes.
I failed to get the name of that counter so I never could properly thank him. If you're out there, buddy, I'm the lady in the green bandana and I and my children and my grandchildren thank you. And my grandchildren's children and their children will thank you because we're putting up a shrine to you in the family compound where we all live thanks to you. No one will ever have to work again.
You must be a casino owner with such a charming story...
"Let's go from a 5$ bet to a 200$ bet. That's definitely not gonna draw any attention"
That's how you win...
@@johnnyutah482 no that's how you get backed off. You can't have a spread of $5 to $200 and not expect to bring heat. If he had started at say double the table minimum and only gone up to $100 he might not have gotten backed off. I say might because the fact that he bought in for $1000 and didn't have a player's card was a red flag right out of the gate. It was also pretty dumb to play when the Casino wasn't very busy (from what I could see).
@@ashleighelizabeth5916 obviously for the video he was trying to get backed off...that was the point of the extreme change in the betting
@@johnnyutah482 yes I do get that, but you can't say, "that's how you win" when somebody points out how much heat that spread is going to bring on him and then find fault with their logic for saying. Vito was spot on in observation whether bringing heat was the point of the video or not. This video should be viewed as a cautionary tale of what NOT to do when counting if you want to keep playing and winning.
@@ashleighelizabeth5916 I usually just count them out loud...they love that
Ok, who DOESN’T realize the pit boss is coked out of his mind?
You really think so? Idk he may just be hyped up since he's having a confrontation
StatiC Xtract nah I’ve done coke. It’s coke.
MessiersElbow ooooh sorry hard
Oliver Saunders what?
I guarantee you he's not high. The pit bosses have to pee regularly to keep their job.
“So u only wanna book my action if you know I’m gonna lose”😂😂😂😂
I went to the casino and tried counting cards and it was hard to do since you only count certain cards. I actually think I might have taken a class from him, I'm not sure, but the YT instructor's name was Colin. You can really win big at BJ if the crazies stay away from your table.
Should be a law that if a casino interferes and tosses you or changes your play and you opt to leave if you are down they must reimburse you to even.
That doesn’t make any sense. Then everyone should be allowed to get their money back if they lose it. A law like that would be considered biased. I get that card counting isn’t cheating per se, but the point in casinos is for more people to lose than win. It’s the player’s choice to spend their money on chips, they aren’t entitled their money back if they lose, counter or no.
@@flyyingpineapplehead1932 that's not what he said... he said like on this vid. If the casino tries to force a change on a players play style or refuse to take their bet then they should have to return any money that the player has lost. Not that they have to return all money lost by players. In the video the guy was down money and that's why he asked can u return my money since u dont want me to play...
@@killersquirrel16 I was trying to make a point, you shouldn't get your money back just because you were counting cards and got caught. The casino was giving him a chance to play like anyone else would play blackjack, usually people bet the same each hand.
@@flyyingpineapplehead1932 I get what your saying and agree with what your saying. And yes it is absolutely a choice. And yes casinos are there to make money. But it is crazy to say you are winning too much. Lol when there rapping to take someone's money all day. On that note I do know as a card counter you can call and setup fixed games with conditions "I'll be card counting but will bet 1 mil in your casino" and have seen them ok with that as long as its pre disclosed.
@@flyyingpineapplehead1932 the pit dude changed the rules of the game midplay so he would have less chance of winning money hes saying if a casino changes the rules as u got your money down u should have an option to get it all back
The Pit boss: "The good news is we're not going to take your legs out with a bat."
Rural Sweatshirt if u call someone worthless because of normal hobbies you should search for a therapist u donkey
Frenchcore4Evur I think he realized how sad his life was after that comment and killed himself
That dude seemed like a legit mob guy. Coked out too.
Lmfao... bruuuuhhh. Homie got to walk home...
They would never cause you any harm. That’s a lawsuit amd a big one. What they do is use the law and trespass you if you come back after they tell you to leave.
The one guy at the beginning had such a bewildered look
Having had several back off myself in my card counting career I must say that I hate it when casinos tip toe around the truth. I have had pit bosses say "Justin, you are an excellent Blackjack player and we respect your skills. However, due to it not being a wise investment for us to let you play, with are going to respectfully ask that you do not play Blackjack here". I respect that response much more than this guy. He beats around the bush with why he will not allow Colin to play.