How long can you play? | Ally & SD OLED
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- Опубликовано: 29 июн 2024
- Have an OLED or Ally? We ran 6 battery tests to see HOW LONG you can expect to play on BATTERY ⚡️. We're testing heavy loads, light loads and in-between. If your curious about the battery life of the Ally or the battery life of the Steam Deck OLED, then this is the video for you.
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0:00 - Intro
0:12 - (720p) - Insurgency
1:31 - Chart
1:55 - (800p/900p) - Insurgency
3:30 - Chart
3:51 - (MAX) - Insurgency
5:20 - Chart
5:47 - (720p) - Bioshock
7:26 - Chart
7:48 - (720p) - Cyberpunk
8:37 - Chart
8:57 - Stardew Valley
10:49 - Chart
11:07 - Final thoughts
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This video took a lot of time and effort. This vindicated my decision on getting the OLED instead of the Ally. Battery is just a priority to me. The screen is a BIG bonus.
Same, there is literally no other handheld with anywhere near battery life of the OLED Steam Deck.
I have both and in real usage I experience even lower battery life on the Ally. If you care about battery SD Oled is a champ. Of course performances while plugged are for the Ally and you can play many more games with it
@@Saif0412Nintendo switch
I have both the oled deck and the ally 1ze. It’s no competition, the oled deck is far more practical than the ally. The ally is like a sports car…it’s power hungry and do you really want a sports car as your daily driver?
@@stvnoahc7249 a sports car as my daily driver? Sounds great to me.
Ally has a terrible battery life. My use case is %95 at home and plugged in so it works better for me.
So it doesn't make sense to buy it, and I agree, I sent mine back because it was killing the battery way too quickly.
But it has windows. I would never buy a steam deck because the games have to be optimized for steam os. Which windows doesn't need.
@@BaamAlex True but Windows also has lots of services that you probably won't need on your handheld. You have to do some tweaking and deleting to get the most of this handheld.
This is why efficiency is so important for handhelds. Not only is the battery 25% larger on the OLED but the processor runs better at low wattages and this is something AMD needs to fix with the next Z processor for both the non extreme and extreme. It being a slightly modified 7840u was not a good idea
I agree but at the same time, I don’t play games in long bursts. Most of the time I take a switch or my Ally with me, I don’t even use it because sometimes just being on your phone or enjoying the environment is better than gaming while on the go. So most of the time I use it is when I’m at someone’s house or my home with the Ally. Sometimes I take it with me to college. But i always have an outlet around me for when I do want to play. And I found playing on my Ally is better than my ps5 for a lot of games. 120hz vrr and the pixel density is all perfect. Playing RDR2 at 900p getting 50-55 fps at 18w. Vrr makes everything so smooth and being able to play that for about 1hr30m or 1hr isn’t a bad thing in practice. Reminds me when it’s time to get off and go touch grass or do something important
так тут не в процессоре дело ,а в меньшей батареи , экране и Windows у которой очень много фонового дерьма
great video glad you're testing multiple different games and not just one or two
Great video. The only way to sidestep the potential differences in how the two devices do battery metering is to run them down from full to shutdown. I can totally understand why you didn't do that because you've done a ton of work here already, but that's the way to be sure that what the Ally measures as 10% battery is the same as the OLED's 10% battery. Love these videos...keep it up brother!
Great vid Filterless, as always. But the one thing that people thend to forget is the fact, gaming on 720p(or 800p) vs on 1080p is a completely different thing. 1080p in the same size offers a lot more detail, and that's where the ally shines IMO. Playing a game like Cyberpunk on 720p and 1080p is like playing two different games, really. And that stands for almost every game, i.e. Stardew Valley has a lot more field of view on the ally vs on the deck, and it really gives a different feel. it's just the fact handheld cpu's aren't up to the task with current batteries to provide good quality gameplay for an extended period of time.
Thanks! And I agree, 900p and 1080p look a bit better than 800p on the SD. Especially 1080p like you said by getting rid of the aliasing and giving a lot more detail. Also the VRR on the Ally is amazing.
I really like both, but for very different reasons. The SD feels more like a portable console with Nintendo Switch levels of battery. The Ally is a mini pc power house that can also be thrown in a bag and taken on the go. And the Ally can play/do just about anything.
I noticed significant difference in battery life going from Ally to Deck OLED, I also tried Legion Go and still Deck OLED is superior however it doesn't mean you should switch over as here my suggestion like the video explains basically:
1. Disable turbo boost on 7840U or Z1E chips as they have high base clocks anyway
2. Remember you running at 1080P while Deck at 800P, so keep your expectations realistic
3. Limit your FPS
4. If you want Deck like experience, just disable all of background apps from running on startup and make Steam big picture run on startup then configure Xbox button and that's it you get 90% of Deck experience..... Ally or Legion Go have decent device control software so you not losing much without Steam OS software
5. I will be honest here Deck OLED made actually appreciate the screen of Ally and Legion Go more than I expected, I don't feel like I need OLED in them and pixel arrangement in LCD make them Sharper overall
So just keep your expectations realistic and you will be happy with any of these
Hey, can you make a video on how to install / use the FSR3 mod? Seeing a lot of people getting a lot of frames in games and I want to see you do a full guide about it
Hey, you can actually get Fluid Motion Frames on the latest preview driver on the Ally. Here are links to the driver and then a tutorial video I made on how to install them. This will allow you to toggle Fluid Motion Frames in the AMD control panel for any game.
AMD Fluid Motion Frames Driver: www.amd.com/en/support/kb/release-notes/rn-rad-win-2340-01-10-preview
Install AMD Driver: ruclips.net/video/lT7NdZRMQe4/видео.html
However, I'd only do this if you're find experimenting. I haven't tested performance or anything else as I've just been testing out the fluid motion part of the driver.
1440x810p is by far the best resolution I’ve found for the ally, would work great for 800p on other device comparisons. I haven’t got a chance to watch the video yet but did you use Radeon chill and cpu boost off on the ally, that would give the best comparison as it would only use the minimum wattage needed to hit the target fps
I just ordered 100w power bank to Ally. Hope it will run good at least for 4-5h flight on 13-17w mode
What's the capacity of the powerbank?
What's the point of setting the TDP when they are drawing more power than 9/10W
Was there any burn-in on the OLED Steamdeck with those tests? I'd be paranoid leaving those images on the screen so long without moving.
I have thought about this even while testing and I haven't noticed any yet. I also leave the monitor off when actually using the device so the static text isn't always displayed. These tests were also run at around 50% brightness. I'd never run them at 100% brightness for hours as I would be worried about seeing burn in.
There was no comparison. I knew SD OLED will own ROG ally. However, i do not care about battery life as I play plugged in at 30W. I tried gaming @ 18W a few times and was getting about 1:20-1:30 minutes in AAA games. I own an Anker 737 which can charge Ally 1.5 times, so in total 2.5 times battery life.
yea, this test has no point, we all know that the ally has lower battery and consums more whats... but the ally is runing alan wake 2 at 30 fps and it feals like 60.. the Sd oled cant do that ...
@@MrShivedragon yes it can since it has 9O hz display wich works perfectly when its locked on 45 fps same with 30 fps and 60 hz i started playing elden ring and its looks amazing and the oled and software its just cherry on cake
@@grigi6667 VRR on the Ally is superior to anything els, you are not runing Alan wake 2 on the Steam deck at 45 or 90 FPS , It barely runs at 30 FPS, the Steam deck has beter battery Life, but lacks the power.
Ally has more power lol. No one is playing a game for all those hours 😂 might as well get a console. You save on your light bill in exchange your system graphically is mid. More freedom out the box with Rog
@@luegi25😂😂😂🤦handheld console battery life is hugely important. My Ally is a desk queen because it hoses the battery so fast. My Deck always travels with me when I go away for work or vacation.
Why does everybody keep comparing the Asus rug or the legion go to the steam deck. I understand their handhelds but those are two totally different playing fields. One is a laptop with a controller built on and the other one is literally a dedicated gaming hand up what do I mean by that valve went out their way to even do a OS for their system hints like Nintendo switch. Aces is just on Windows so to compare them is crazy to me cuz windows is a very hungry OS. But other than that I love watching a contact keep it up thank you
My question is why the tdp difference it is possible to set the ally under z13 wat. Tdp
To keep same fps
so what happen if you install proton and steam os on ally? Would you get benefits like steamdeck level of battery efficiency and power optimizations?
I've run Steam OS on the Ally (Chimera & Nobara) and it still eats battery. It's just the chip that's in the Ally is a laptop processor. Valve custom made the chip they're using to be extremely good at lower power ranges.
@@filt3rless so z1 extreme is gimmick then knowing that steamdeck is far weaker yet beat it nonetheless
@@dt6esdff413 Hey, I don't think it's a gimmick as if you want to play any multiplayer games or use a variety of launchers it's the best option. It's mainly just the battery life that's a real issue. And pushing the Ally up to 25 watts or so is a great combo giving pretty good performance. One area the Ally is great in is if you want to dock the system and have a full PC.
I think both have their pro's and con's for sure.
@@dt6esdff413it doesn't beat it when you crank them up to full power
I thinkits not rog ally problem or legion go problem, it is os problem. Windows eat battery usage too much than linux
Let's see how the MSI Claw will fare at 45W with an Intel 7 Ultra 😂. I'm currently enjoying Legion Go (bought on NYE) and ROG ally. SD Oled is not worth to buy in Australia from scalpers ($1300 AUD, 512GB variant). I will definitely buy one if i can get it @ MSRP. Next purchase will be MSI Claw.
45W TDP is just crazy on a handheld🤣 That's an insane price for the OLED.
It's different, MSI already spoke about this in Intel 30W is actually lower than AMD 25W.... They promised 50% better battery life than Ally so that's as significant as Deck OLED
@@TRX25EX Promises and reality are two different things. It won’t have 50% better battery life than competition. Intel is never as efficient. Also, legion go and SD Oled have 50 W/hr battery. Don’t fall for catchy marketing.
Oof that's like USD 800+. You should try buying one from parcel forwarder such as buyandship. 549 plus customs tax and shipping and 6% service fee. But its gonna be a pain bc warranty claims are near impossible. It's sad that they don't have many official distributors this far out. We don't get to enjoy the SD's lower cost compared to other handhelds.
This makes the Ally pretty much a no-brainer.
@@zacthegamer6145 Let me guess are you the lead engineer of Intel by any chance?
Should I trust a random RUclips claim over manufacturer claim?
Many people also didn't believe Deck OLED claims because battery was only 20-25% bigger however they claimed 40-50% more efficient, and yet it was proven that's the case.....
You just look at full load numbers like Cinebench and say Intel not efficient, you don't know how these CPUs work and why MSI went for these chips and made such a claim
getting 8-9 hours of battery running moonlight at 2560x1600 90fps. glorious
Good comparison
Make a charging time comparison
Deck for all of the lower powered needs. Ally for the higher.
The ally is pushing more pixels, it would make more sense to run it at 720p
I find the battery on sd oled better
You are comparing two very different hardware specifications. My Honda doesn't use as much fuel as a Ferrari whys that?
This is a Honda vs a Honda with a small turbo (pun intended) running on 3lbs boost 😂
I know for a fact ally can run stardew with 5 watts perfectly. I dunno why youre raising the wattage on ally so much.
You're able to hit 5 watts of total system draw on the Z1 Extreme Ally while running Stardew Valley? I can barley hit that without a game running, it's not APU watts, it's total watts including the system, fans, screen, etc. If you pull up the "Square" monitor for Asus you'll see there are 2 separate watt values "BATT" and "APU WATT". This one in this video is "BATT".
Feel free to upload an image to Imgur of you hitting 5 watts on the Ally for the "BATT" draw in Stardew Valley as I'd like to see it, and I'd be interested in what software/settings you're using to achieve that.
@@filt3rless I'll have to check again sometime. I was referring to APU manual setting of 5 though. In fact it may have even been 4 watts when I was using handheld companion which allowed as low as 4. I just remember the launching taking a while but once the game was running it was 60fps. Although it was a fresh new game.
So you're using the ally's total draw number, but steam overlays apu only number, because I know for a fact the deck at "15 watts" in its overlay is drawing more like 27 watts total. So the deck set at 10 watts is def not drawing only 10 watts or its battery life would be more like 5 hours on the oleds battery.
@@AtlasLee22 If it was the APU watts then it wouldn't be anywhere near 20 or past it. Both are system draw wattages. When the deck is set to 10 watts for the APU, it's drawing close to 16. That's just how efficient the deck actually is.
If you look at the first test 0:50, you'll see just how insane the chip Valve had custom made is. The CPU isn't going over 2 watts and the GPU is around 4 watts. The only reason the Deck can do that is because of the custom chip that Valve made and no other manufacture has access to.
If you look at 4:00 where it's set to 15 watts, the total system draw is around 22 watts. The battery in the Steam Deck OLED is 50 watt hour. If you divide 22/50 you get 2.27 which is 2 hours and 16 minutes. Also if you divide the percentage loss of 21% over the course of 30 minutes, that's 42% per hour. If you divide 42/100 you get 2.38 which is 2 hours and 22 minutes. I'd say the reporting is fairly accurate on the OLED.
@@filt3rless I should have clarified, I was referring to the non oled steam deck at 15 watts and its not all that impressive at 15 watts either, because it definitely does draw 27 watts total at 15 watts apu because for one the original deck at 15 watts running flat out will tie the ally pretty much to within margin of error with it running at 15 watts apu power while doing a worse job in many cases frame rate wise. And if you really want to use the same tools on both to see total system draw just throw windows on the deck and run run riva tuner statistics server, that's where you can see the real 27 watt draw on the original deck when going flat out at 15 watts
Need to turn cpu boost off on the ally
It is off for all of the tests except the full 30W test.
@@filt3rless 🤔 your wattages seem way high if you have cpu boost off ally 🤷🏻♂️
@@EXITONEZ CPU boost being on/off doesn't save any watts at all in 95% of games unless you use an FPS cap (which I'm not doing in these tests).
@@filt3rless ok
This is all Windows' fault. :) We want WindowsOS like SteamOS.
Hä?
the TDP should be the same for both. so it's totally pointless
No.
If one can achive 60fps with less power why should you raise it above that?
@@blar2112 its a battary test and not fps…you must set up the same also the same brightness etc.
@@anders2777 An fps test would be seens what device can get more. here both where set so they get the same, so the only variable changing is the battery life.
if you set up both devices at the same TDP without taking in to account fps then you could end up with a devide with 20h battery life but the game running at 3fps, what makes no sense becasue then you cant play.
TDP is irrelevant for a battery test. What matters is hitting the same FPS at the same settings. Imagine if you had a truck and a car and you wanted to measure MPG. You wouldn't press the throttles to 20% on both, or even use the same HP on both. You'd go take them out on the highway at the same speed (FPS), and then see what MPG they got (battery life).
Wth bro. U reduced watts and resolution in steamdeck and comparing with ally. This is ridiculous and pointless. This isn’t even proper comparison
Most of the tests are run at 720p on both, same settings and same FPS. Setting the same TDP shows nothing. Getting 30FPS on one device and 50FPS on another while doing a battery comparison would be pointless. This test is to find out when actually playing a game at the same settings/FPS (same experience), what the run times would be.
If you were trying to compare the MPG of a car to a truck, you wouldn't measure how far the throttle is pressed. You'd get on the highway at the same speed (FPS), and run the test, then calculate the results.
I’m amused by the “I don’t care about battery life” comments from the ally owners.
You would care if you have it.
I have the ally and while it’s a great device. I can’t travel with it because of its poor battery life. Let’s say you never get out of the house. You use it on the can and you need to update windows or AC or whatever…boom you’re down to down to 56%.
I play on the oled deck more. It’s lighter and far more convenient than the ally. The resume feature is amazing, while it’s hit or miss on windows.
Ally weighs less than the steam deck OLED.
larger battery and steamos and 800p oled, that's a triple win when we talk about battery life, even give ally the same battery cap ally is still the loser
Nope steamOS isn’t the reason. The Z1 extreme is simply less power efficient and going on to Linux or steamOS would barely save any power. The Ally would still require more power to hit the same frame rate thanks to it not being as efficient at low wattages