Your partner says move up as fast (on the serve side)and then the ball goes behind you also every one says get out of the kitchen that you can’t go in there
#1 - it kills me when I hear people say you cannot step into the NVZ until the ball bounces. I inevitably always ask - "who taught you that? Get rid of that coach/teacher."
To take this stupidity even one step further ... during my very first game, one player told me that each time I stepped into the NVZ, I would have to step out in time before the ball were to come back to me again. While I hadn't read all the rules by then, my immediate response was that who the hell would be able to tell without having four eyes and without standing by the side of the net!? Of course upon quoting the uspa rules on the phone I busted his myth within 3 mins LOL.
So to summarize into a simple statement, you cannot hit a volley when standing in the no-volley zone. Easy enough but you better get behind the line for the opponent's next shot which may not be a dink.
Hello Eli. Check out the NVZ rules video CJ talked about but to answer your question, if the ball had bounced there is no volley. No volley means there can be no violation of the rule. No fault in the situation you describe. Hope this helps.
@@EliJolleyBridge You are not alone. The confusion over the NVZ is rampant. We keep on making videos about it but alas folks have to watch them to learn the rule :).
Hey Eli, like Tony said check out the video on the NVZ rules. Here's a blog post that will help too. wearepickleball.com/pickleball-when-can-you-be-in-the-kitchen/
As I've been learning to play just by playing and getting the rules fed to me, it seems people call a fault if I just step into the zone before anything has happened. Just as part of positioning on court, people have called me out because I stepped on the line. So, from what I understand here, it's not a fault. You can run around in the kitchen all you want unless you hit a volley.. right? But if you're in there you better get the hell out before someone hits the ball at you.. Do I have that right? I get the feeling there will be heated discussion if I correct this while I'm playing.. Especially because I'm new to the crowd and people have been playing together a lot. Thanks for the clarification and your other videos, too.
Hi Don, you are right! The only thing you can't do is hit a volley while in the NVZ. One specific I specific we didn't get into is that if you hit a volley from outside the NVZ and your momentum carries you into the NVZ that would be a fault as well. But yes, you can stand anywhere you'd like including inside the NVZ
The line is considered part of the NVZ. Again, going back to the video, there is nothing that tells you you can stand in the kitchen, including on the line. The only thing you can't do is hit a volley when touching the NVZ. While there is nothing in the rules that prohibits you from touching the kitchen line with your feet the minute you hit a volley it's a fault, so from a practical standpoint, do not do it.
In the 2022 rule book they changed the word naval to waist. I remember Don Stanley who is head of the PPA refs saying 'how do I know where someone's naval is" Lol!
You guys are the best!!! I was told I could not step into the kitchen until after the ball bounces too. I have had more pulled muscles from that bad advice!!!
I recently took a try pickleball class taught by a professional. His comment was that I had to step out of the NVZ and reset my feet after I enetered to play a groundstroke. I can then step into the NVZ again but only after I reset my feet. From what I have seen, is he teaching new players incorrectly?
Although that is not a rule by any means, it is a good practice to get used to when you have enough time between shots to do so. If you do not get out of the NVZ, the opposing team can and should try to force you to hit a volley while your feet are in the NVZ to force a fault, so stepping out and resetting is a good way to make sure that doesn't happen!
…and if you don’t get out in time and your PARTNER is forced to hit a volley, that’s still a fault right? BOTH team members have to be outside the NVZ when a volley is hit - or a deep ground shot too I assume.
@@gerrydertinger7447 as long as you are not touching your partner both players do not need to be out of the NVZ. Only the player who is hitting the volley.
Here is one where I get different answers. If I'm out of the NVZ and someone hits a high shot and I run and jump and hit the ball in the air over the NVZ and I land in the NVZ. Is it a fault?
Hey Michelle I think that comes from a few things. If you are not from a sports background, you may not understand the term volley. Plus, the way that people talk about it negatively to newcomers things like "don't"- "you committed a fault" "you can't do that" creates something to be avoided in the new players mind. The last thing is that there is so much misinformation about it. When really the only thing is you can't volley. Lol!
Yes, you hear that old tired myth all the time. When you hear it you can send them to this video. ruclips.net/video/ItFZ5JWm_hw/видео.htmlsi=oVqwM12vkK79uEXC
Hi Mary Jane, when you are on the return side get to the NVZ as fast as you can. ruclips.net/video/_42ff_pnscM/видео.html On the serve side, take your time and use the video that's attached at the top of this one for more info
Dear Eduard, this is a wonderful, poignant film. I'm very impressed and so glad Katie Grip shared this with the Art & Design faculty. Best Wishes, Professor Thomas McGovern
Jeff, your opponents were correct. You commited a fault because your momentum from the volley carried you into the nvz. And, yes, even though the rally was over, it is still a fault. Rule 9B.1
Whoa, good clarification. My partner ran up, hit a quick unreturnable shot and in slow motion lost his balance and fell into the NVZ. He said it was ok b/c the rally was done as soon as his shot hit the far corner.
I disagree with your rule not to run around your backhand. Instead, I’d say there are pros and cons. I was given the same advice as a young tennis player. Roger Federer has an excellent backhand, but his forehand is even better. He runs around his backhand all the time. In fact, he hits more forehand winners from the odd side of the court than from the even side! If you have a good inside out forehand, taking a step to the left to set it up is often the strongest play.
The difference is in tennis you have a lot more time to do that. The pickleball court is much smaller and most players can't move quickly enough to make this a go to move and will find themselves out of position. A savvy opponent will exploit that weakness easily. That said if you are fast enough and it works for you, keep doing it. ;)
I hit a drop volley from just outside the NVZ and struggled with my balance. I stepped into the NVZ after the ball bounced twice on my opponent's side of the net and was told we lost the point because I couldn't control my body and stepped into the NVZ. I argued the point was over when the ball bounced the second time but was overruled. That outcome seems crazy to me, what is the correct call? anyhow, thanks for the informative video! Did you state in the video you were going to link to another video? best,
Dave and Michelle are correct. You need to reestablish your balance outside the NVZ after the shot. From the rule book, 9.C. During the act of volleying, it is a fault if the volleying player’s momentum causes the player to contact anything that is touching the non-volley zone, including the player’s partner. For players using wheelchairs, the front (smaller) wheels may touch the non-volley zone. 9.C.1. It is a fault even if the ball becomes dead before the player contacts the non-volley zone. The links to the other videos are at the top of the video-click on the card on the upper right side when it's mentioned.
@@BetterPickleball now I know better....also was thinking of you this morning when I either went for a back hand shot or didn't and moved to make it forehand.. I did some of both...have to concentrate more on the back.
If you're in the NVZ wouldn't it follow that you did not hit a volley? The ball had to have bounced in the NVZ otherwise why would you be in there? Am I confused?
You're right don't do it is not good advice! I like to say to be intentional when you redirect because it adds variability to both the shot and court coverage. Most players do it without purpose which is a mistake.
Simplification is always good, but in the case of the NVZ it’s usually players that complicate it. The rule is actually very simple. You can volley when you are in contact with the NVZ.
Not necessarily. There is also the consideration about your partner's position and whether you rushing to the NVZ leaves a wider opening because you get ahead of your partner and the ball is coming from the court opposite of you.
What pickleball advice have you gotten that you now know is not true?
Always hit a 3rd shot dop, nver drive your third shot
Having to wait for ball to bounce in non-volley zone before entering. Thank you for clear instructions.
@@TC-dw6wg unfortunately that's one we hear all the time. Glad you enjoyed the video and now you know you don't have to wait!
Your partner says move up as fast (on the serve side)and then the ball goes behind you also every one says get out of the kitchen that you can’t go in there
@@jeannehupprich840 yes, you hear those all the time! Too bad they're not true. lol!
So great to see videos given by YOU again. You are clear and precise and I learn every time. Thank you.
Thanks Joyce. Glad you like them!
I learned serve and stay for 2 bounce rule. Great video thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
Run to the NVZ immediately, no matter what!! I've since broken that habit. Thank you.
To think it's all from leaving out one little piece of information. What side are you on? LOL!😂
Always running up to nvz! You make more sense!!
Glad we could help Karen!
Like your t-shirt, where did u get it?
Thank you. At some point we'll have some Better Pickleball merchandise.
#1 - it kills me when I hear people say you cannot step into the NVZ until the ball bounces. I inevitably always ask - "who taught you that? Get rid of that coach/teacher."
LOL! You hear that one way too often.
To take this stupidity even one step further ... during my very first game, one player told me that each time I stepped into the NVZ, I would have to step out in time before the ball were to come back to me again. While I hadn't read all the rules by then, my immediate response was that who the hell would be able to tell without having four eyes and without standing by the side of the net!? Of course upon quoting the uspa rules on the phone I busted his myth within 3 mins LOL.
So to summarize into a simple statement, you cannot hit a volley when standing in the no-volley zone. Easy enough but you better get behind the line for the opponent's next shot which may not be a dink.
You cannot go into the non-volley zone before, during and after a volley
If the ball bounces outside of the NVZ, and you run forward to get it and hit the ball, is it okay to then run into the NVZ after the hit?
Hello Eli. Check out the NVZ rules video CJ talked about but to answer your question, if the ball had bounced there is no volley. No volley means there can be no violation of the rule. No fault in the situation you describe. Hope this helps.
@@BestPickleballCoach Thanks i lost a point due to this a couple weeks ago so thanks for the validation!
@@EliJolleyBridge You are not alone. The confusion over the NVZ is rampant. We keep on making videos about it but alas folks have to watch them to learn the rule :).
Hey Eli, like Tony said check out the video on the NVZ rules. Here's a blog post that will help too. wearepickleball.com/pickleball-when-can-you-be-in-the-kitchen/
As I've been learning to play just by playing and getting the rules fed to me, it seems people call a fault if I just step into the zone before anything has happened. Just as part of positioning on court, people have called me out because I stepped on the line. So, from what I understand here, it's not a fault. You can run around in the kitchen all you want unless you hit a volley.. right? But if you're in there you better get the hell out before someone hits the ball at you.. Do I have that right? I get the feeling there will be heated discussion if I correct this while I'm playing.. Especially because I'm new to the crowd and people have been playing together a lot. Thanks for the clarification and your other videos, too.
Hi Don, you are right! The only thing you can't do is hit a volley while in the NVZ. One specific I specific we didn't get into is that if you hit a volley from outside the NVZ and your momentum carries you into the NVZ that would be a fault as well. But yes, you can stand anywhere you'd like including inside the NVZ
The forehand "always" covers the middle.
Yup, that's a bad one! If you haven't already seen this one this explains it best ruclips.net/video/ItFZ5JWm_hw/видео.html
Thank you! Sounds pretty simple and straightforward
Are you allowed to touch the kitchen line with your feet while playing?
The line is considered part of the NVZ. Again, going back to the video, there is nothing that tells you you can stand in the kitchen, including on the line. The only thing you can't do is hit a volley when touching the NVZ. While there is nothing in the rules that prohibits you from touching the kitchen line with your feet the minute you hit a volley it's a fault, so from a practical standpoint, do not do it.
@@BetterPickleball Thannk you. That makes sense.
A pickleball coach told me that when I serve, at the point of contact, the ball must be below my wrist and also below my waist. Is this true? Thanks.
I believe that is true. Below the naval.
In the 2022 rule book they changed the word naval to waist. I remember Don Stanley who is head of the PPA refs saying 'how do I know where someone's naval is" Lol!
Navel! Not naval
You guys are the best!!! I was told I could not step into the kitchen until after the ball bounces too. I have had more pulled muscles from that bad advice!!!
Glad we could help Cammie!
I recently took a try pickleball class taught by a professional. His comment was that I had to step out of the NVZ and reset my feet after I enetered to play a groundstroke. I can then step into the NVZ again but only after I reset my feet. From what I have seen, is he teaching new players incorrectly?
Although that is not a rule by any means, it is a good practice to get used to when you have enough time between shots to do so. If you do not get out of the NVZ, the opposing team can and should try to force you to hit a volley while your feet are in the NVZ to force a fault, so stepping out and resetting is a good way to make sure that doesn't happen!
…and if you don’t get out in time and your PARTNER is forced to hit a volley, that’s still a fault right? BOTH team members have to be outside the NVZ when a volley is hit - or a deep ground shot too I assume.
@@gerrydertinger7447 as long as you are not touching your partner both players do not need to be out of the NVZ. Only the player who is hitting the volley.
Here is one where I get different answers. If I'm out of the NVZ and someone hits a high shot and I run and jump and hit the ball in the air over the NVZ and I land in the NVZ. Is it a fault?
If your momentum from a shot carries you into the NVZ after the shot, yes, it's a fault.
Yes, it’s a fault. If you jump OVER the NVZ and land outside it (like outside the court on the side) that IS legal. It’s called an Erne.
Yes
Please explain NVZ resetting.
Resetting is hitting a soft unattackable shot into the NVZ. The third shot drop is an example.
@@BetterPickleball sorry that's not what i'm asking about -- I'm asking about "NVZ resetting" not "rally resetting".
@Jen Bullet thank you - your description is what i've been told. A player must be "established" outside of the NVZ before they can hit the ball.
I never understand why people are so confused about the NVZ.
Hey Michelle I think that comes from a few things. If you are not from a sports background, you may not understand the term volley. Plus, the way that people talk about it negatively to newcomers things like "don't"- "you committed a fault" "you can't do that" creates something to be avoided in the new players mind. The last thing is that there is so much misinformation about it. When really the only thing is you can't volley. Lol!
The forehand always takes the middle!!
Yes, you hear that old tired myth all the time. When you hear it you can send them to this video. ruclips.net/video/ItFZ5JWm_hw/видео.htmlsi=oVqwM12vkK79uEXC
Kitchen kitchen that’s all I hair get to the kitchen the non-volley zone I’m going to think about that next time
Hi Mary Jane, when you are on the return side get to the NVZ as fast as you can. ruclips.net/video/_42ff_pnscM/видео.html On the serve side, take your time and use the video that's attached at the top of this one for more info
This editing is awesome, I feel like I’m watching Sesame Street, Pickleball edition!
I love Sesame Street. Thank you for the compliment but I have to admit our editor Rocky gets the credit for this one.
yes, except on Sesame Street, I learn something.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣…I understand the feeling. To simplify the deal- just stay out of the kitchen!
Where’s the NVZ link??
Click the I button in the top right corner of the video, it brings up the cards for the two other videos mentioned.
Must be an idiot cause I’m not finding it??
Dear Eduard, this is a wonderful, poignant film. I'm very impressed and so glad Katie Grip shared this with the Art & Design faculty. Best Wishes, Professor Thomas McGovern
Hi Thomas not sure this was meant for me but if was thanks for the compliment!
Jeff, your opponents were correct. You commited a fault because your momentum from the volley carried you into the nvz. And, yes, even though the rally was over, it is still a fault. Rule 9B.1
You're welcome. If you can find a wall, you can drill almost every shot you need.
Whoa, good clarification. My partner ran up, hit a quick unreturnable shot and in slow motion lost his balance and fell into the NVZ. He said it was ok b/c the rally was done as soon as his shot hit the far corner.
True. There is a lot of bad advice going on. Watch this channel and a few others and learn then practice!!
No substitute for practice. Thank you for the compliment, Jim.😀
NVZ or non volley zone is much better than "the kitchen"!
I agree :)
Stepping into the non volley court before the ball bounces
yes, that mistake is taught to so many of us!
I disagree with your rule not to run around your backhand. Instead, I’d say there are pros and cons. I was given the same advice as a young tennis player. Roger Federer has an excellent backhand, but his forehand is even better. He runs around his backhand all the time. In fact, he hits more forehand winners from the odd side of the court than from the even side!
If you have a good inside out forehand, taking a step to the left to set it up is often the strongest play.
The difference is in tennis you have a lot more time to do that. The pickleball court is much smaller and most players can't move quickly enough to make this a go to move and will find themselves out of position. A savvy opponent will exploit that weakness easily. That said if you are fast enough and it works for you, keep doing it. ;)
I hit a drop volley from just outside the NVZ and struggled with my balance. I stepped into the NVZ after the ball bounced twice on my opponent's side of the net and was told we lost the point because I couldn't control my body and stepped into the NVZ. I argued the point was over when the ball bounced the second time but was overruled. That outcome seems crazy to me, what is the correct call? anyhow, thanks for the informative video! Did you state in the video you were going to link to another video? best,
They were correct. See rule 9.C.1
They were right. You committed the fault BEFORE they let the ball double-bounce.
Dave and Michelle are correct. You need to reestablish your balance outside the NVZ after the shot. From the rule book,
9.C. During the act of volleying, it is a fault if the volleying player’s momentum causes the player to contact anything that is touching the non-volley zone, including the player’s partner. For players using wheelchairs, the front (smaller) wheels may touch the non-volley zone. 9.C.1. It is a fault even if the ball becomes dead before the player contacts the non-volley zone.
The links to the other videos are at the top of the video-click on the card on the upper right side when it's mentioned.
@@BetterPickleball thanks, IMO, that's a crazy rule and difficult to administer. Much easier to call the point over once the ball is dead.
@@MichelleH45 I stepped into the nvz after the double bounce (as I stated) but 9c1 does state it's a fault.
Stop using my back hand serve
Is what I was told
Why were you told to stop using a back hand serve? And did you listen to that advice?
Never lop, good players never lop
We hear that a lot too! But there's a strategic time to use those lobs!
Worst advice I’ve gotten: never retreat from the NVZ line, even when the opponent is going to smash the ball!
Terrible advice! Glad you recognize that and I bet you have been able to defend those smashes since you know better than to hang at the NVZ!
you can't go into the NVZ and if you are there you MUST get out as soon as you hit a volley
😯that is bad!
@@BetterPickleball now I know better....also was thinking of you this morning when I either went for a back hand shot or didn't and moved to make it forehand.. I did some of both...have to concentrate more on the back.
If you're in the NVZ wouldn't it follow that you did not hit a volley? The ball had to have bounced in the NVZ otherwise why would you be in there? Am I confused?
Don’t ever back off the NVZ
You're right Dave, there are so few absolutes in the game.
Worst is,..'run to nvz' all the time!!? Not true!! Watch conditions first,.. don't eat plastic if your partner offers a 'pop up' ...
Agree, that's some of the worst advice new players are given, which is why we like to teach the Framework of the game!
"take two weeks off and then quit" 😂
LOL!
"Forehand always takes the middle."
David, that's another big one!
Worst advice: don't redirect
You're right don't do it is not good advice! I like to say to be intentional when you redirect because it adds variability to both the shot and court coverage. Most players do it without purpose which is a mistake.
These rules need to be simplified. Too many “exceptions” to the rules! It’s just a GAME.
Simplification is always good, but in the case of the NVZ it’s usually players that complicate it. The rule is actually very simple. You can volley when you are in contact with the NVZ.
The rule is there to make the game more enjoyable. Otherwise each point would last only two shots.
listening to other beginners attempting to coach each other is the worst advice ever. Be kind but ignore it.
Yeah, those are pretty interesting conversations for sure!
The whole "when can I hustle to the NVZ line" is simply "after a bounce on your side." No need for a 30 minute lesson.
Thanks for your feedback.
Not necessarily. There is also the consideration about your partner's position and whether you rushing to the NVZ leaves a wider opening because you get ahead of your partner and the ball is coming from the court opposite of you.
Ugh!!!!!🥴
@Christie Bradley that's true for the serve side and why we call it the hardest 15 feet in pickleball 😀😀
@@zuzu7250 something we an help with?
Stay out of the kitchen! Was told over and over again.
You and me both!